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It Doesn't Matter If Hillary Apologizes for Her Iraq War Vote
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Let there be no doubt that Hillary Clinton is about as slippery a species of politician that exists, one who has demonstrated an ability to morph facts into a nebulous blob that blurs the record and distorts the truth. While she has demonstrated this less than flattering ability on a number of issues, nowhere is it so blatant as when dealing with the issue of the ongoing war in Iraq and her vote in favor of this war.
This issue won't be resolved even if Hillary Clinton apologizes for her Iraq vote, as other politicians have done, blaming their decision on faulty intelligence on Iraq's WMD capabilities. This is because, like many other Washington politicians at the time, including those now running for president, she had been witness to lies about Iraq's weapons programs to justify attacks on that country by her husband, former president Bill Clinton, and his administration.
"While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the U.N. for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq," Sen. Clinton said at the time of her vote, in a carefully crafted speech designed to demonstrate her range of knowledge and ability to consider all options. "I know that the administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 U.N. resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998."
Hillary would have done well to leave out that last part, the one where her husband, the former president of the United States, used military force as part of a 72-hour bombing campaign ostensibly deemed as a punitive strike in defense of disarmament, but in actuality proved to be a blatant attempt at regime change that used the hyped-up threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction as an excuse for action. Sound familiar? While many Americans today condemn the Bush administration for misleading them with false claims of unsubstantiated threats, which resulted in the ongoing debacle we face today in Iraq (count Hillary among this crowd), few have reflected back on the day when the man from Hope, Ark., sat in the Oval Office and initiated the policies of economic sanctions-based containment and regime change that President Bush later brought to fruition when he ordered the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
"My vote," Hillary said with great sanctimony, "is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of preemption, or for unilateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world." But by citing the policies of her husband, there can be no doubt that this was exactly what her vote was about.
I should know. From January 1993 until my resignation from the United Nations in August 1998, I witnessed firsthand the duplicitous Iraq policies of Bill Clinton's administration, the implementation of which saw a president lie to the American people about a threat he knew was hyped, lie to Congress about his support of a disarmament process his administration wanted nothing to do with, and lie to the world about American intent, which turned its back on the very multilateral embrace of diplomacy as reflected in the Security Council resolutions Hillary Clinton so piously refers to in her speech, and instead pursued a policy defined by the unilateral interests of the Clinton administration to remove Saddam Hussein from power.
I personally witnessed the director of the CIA under Bill Clinton, James Woolsey, fabricate a case for the continued existence of Iraqi ballistic missiles in November 1993, after I had provided a detailed briefing which articulated the U.N. inspector's findings that Iraq's missile program had been fundamentally disarmed. I led the U.N. inspector's investigation into the defection of Saddam Hussein's son-in-law, Hussein Kamal, in August 1995, and saw how the Clinton administration twisted his words to make a case for the continued existence of a nuclear program the weapons inspectors knew to be nothing more than scrap and old paper. I was in Baghdad at the head of an inspection team in the summer of 1996 as the Clinton administration used the inspection process as a vehicle for a covert action program run by the CIA intending to assassinate Saddam Hussein.
I twice traveled to the White House to brief the National Security Council in the confines of the White House Situation Room on the plans of the inspectors to pursue the possibility of concealed Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, only to have the Clinton national security team betray the inspectors by failing to deliver the promised support, and when the inspections failed to deliver any evidence of Iraqi wrongdoing, attempt to blame the inspectors while denying any wrongdoing on their part.
This last fact hits very close to home. As a former Marine Corps officer and as a chief inspector responsible for the welfare of the personnel entrusted to my command, I take the act of official betrayal very seriously. "I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know," Sen. Clinton said in her speech defending her vote for war, "that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them." I am left to wonder if, in citing the record of her husband when he was president, Hillary would stand behind the troops with the same duplicitous "vigor" that her husband displayed when betraying the U.N. weapons inspectors.
In February 1998 the Clinton administration backed a diplomatic effort undertaken by then-U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to help get the weapons inspection process back on track (inspections had been stalled since January 1998, when a team I led was prevented by the Iraqis from carrying out its mission because, as the Iraqis maintained, there were too many Americans and British on the team implementing the unilateral policy of regime change instead of the mandated task of disarmament). Hillary stated that she wanted a strong U.N. resolution designed to promote viable weapons inspections and specifically singled out the compromises brokered by Kofi Annan to get inspectors back into Iraq as a failed effort that weakened the inspection process. What she fails to mention is that her husband initially supported the Annan mission, not so much because it paved a path towards disarmament, but rather because it provided a cover for legitimizing regime change.
I sat in the office of then-U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Bill Richardson, as the United States cut a deal with then-U.N. Special Commission Executive Chairman Richard Butler, where the timing and actions of an inspection team led by myself (a decision that was personally approved by Bill Clinton) would be closely linked to a massive U.S. aerial bombardment of Iraq triggered by my inspection. I was supposed to facilitate a war by prompting Iraqi noncompliance. Instead, I did my job and facilitated an inspection that pushed the world closer to a recognition that Iraq was complying with its disarmament obligation. As a reward, I was shunned from the inspection process by the Clinton administration.
In April 1998 Bill Clinton promised Congress that his administration would provide all support necessary to the U.N. inspectors. In May 1998 his National Security Team implemented a new policy that turned its back on the inspectors, seeking to avoid supporting a disarmament process that undermined the policies of regime change so strongly embraced by Bill Clinton and his administration. When I resigned in August 1998 in protest over its duplicitous policies, I was personally attacked by the Clinton administration in an effort to divert attention away from the truth about what it were doing regarding Iraq. Four months later Bill Clinton ordered the bombing of Iraq, Operation Desert Fox, referred to in glowing terms by Hillary Clinton as she endorsed the policies of deception that led our nation down the path towards war.
"So it is with conviction," Hillary said at the moment of her vote, "that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our president, and we say to him -- use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein -- this is your last chance -- disarm or be disarmed."
It turned out Saddam was in fact already disarmed. And it turned out that Hillary's husband, President Bill Clinton, knew this when he ordered the bombing of Iraq in 1998. Hillary can try to twist and turn the facts as she defends the words she spoke when casting her fateful vote in favor of a war with Iraq. But no amount of rewriting history can shield her from the failed policies of her very own husband, policies she embraced willingly and wholeheartedly when endorsing war.
Run, Hillary, run. But your race towards the White House will never outpace the hypocrisy and duplicity inherent in your decision to vote for war in Iraq.
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Posted by: channing on Mar 3, 2007 1:06 AM
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"Clintonslime" is the willingness to pave your own way with other people's motives and blood... outdone in modern history only by the likes of Bush&co.
We are in real trouble if our choice is between Gulianni and Clinton, the new torch-bearers of the official lie.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 3, 2007 2:37 AM
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Posted by: footman on Mar 3, 2007 3:27 AM
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Why must you insist on voting only for the candidates with the best facelifts and TV personalities?
When will people realise the "choice" is between dumb and dumber?
In Michael Moore's "Stupid White Men", there is a chapter where he documents how terribly the president has messed up. He's destroyed the environment, advanced the cause of big businesses and the corporate kleptocracy, dismantled open government and increased big-brother surveillance, and at every opportunity has resorted to war over diplomacy. At the end of a five page rant about all these things, you're absolutely disgusted at the American President - what a bastard... Then the reveal : the President he was talking about is Bill Clinton.
Bush/Clinton/Obama/Schwartznegger - they're all the same. Some minor ideological differences to keep the masses' eyes off of the real agenda (even before Roe Vs. Wade, the rich elite had no problems getting access to safe abortions, and universal healthcare is not of any consequence to those with their own staff to manage their finances) .
When will Americans realise that they get the candidate that big business pays for? If your candidate is on TV, they're probably a puppet, not a representative. Pay attention to the hands, not the puppets - they are both connected to the same body.
Oh and on the topic, who has even HEARD of Dennis Kucinich? It's incredible to see the whitewash of his campaign, and how both "sides" of politics have labelled him a "Vanity" candidate. Even while Obama swears he never voted for the war (which is convenient, since he wasn't in congress at the time). It staggers me that people eat this horse manure up with such zeal.
I weep for Rome - once I had faith in her, but the Rubicon has been crossed, and unfortunately the masses are addicted to visiting the Circus Maximus.
Enjoy the Gladiators as they battle bravely for the title - but for the smart ones - try to remember that even in Rome, it was usually determined in advance which Gladiator would win the fight.
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 3, 2007 4:08 AM
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They simple don't get it, that Slick Willie's understudy-- the "Karaoke Candidate" -- will NEVER command the respect of U.S. military personnel. That is not be a good thing, especially when our soldiers and Marines are in harm's way overseas.
America needs a leader with courage, experience and integrity, not an ego-driven lip-syncher. I suggest Bob Gates is that person.
Hugh E. Scott
Vietnam veteran, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, John Kerry supporter in 2004, author of "George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT" and the creator/editor of www.King-George.biz, the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: lorenwrigley on Mar 3, 2007 5:36 AM
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I say thanks to Ritter, and screw Hillary Clinton. I'd rather have another four years of W than her. At least yI know the realism of W as compared to the slithering snake wriggling selfishness and lies of the Clintons.
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 3, 2007 5:46 AM
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Sorry for the extra comment, but I didn't want to sound stupid like Shrub.
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Posted by: wawa on Mar 3, 2007 5:47 AM
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And so I add some more ammo
http://www.aljazeerah.info/
Al-Jazeerah, February 26, 2007
Eileen Fleming
On February 1, 2007 Senator Hillary Clinton's delusional remarks to AIPAC/ American Israel Public Affairs Committee, prove she has never outgrown her favorite movie for she remains a resident in the land of Oz.
The Democrat Demimondaine and Consummate Pandering Politician purred to AIPAC, "I've been a strong supporter of Israel's right to build a security barrier to keep terrorists out. I have spoken out against the International Court of Justice for questioning Israel's right to build that fence of security."
Clinton not only cares naught for the rule of law, she apparently does not read the august Washington Report on Middle East Affairs , "Financed with U.S. aid at a cost of $1.5 million per mile, the Israeli wall prevents residents from receiving health care and emergency medical services. In other areas, the barrier separates farmers from their olive groves which have been their families' sole livelihood for generations." [Page 43, Jan/Feb. 2007]
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http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/
02/15/07
Eileen Fleming
...Clinton continued to satisfy the ignoble lusts of AIPAC as she continued to deny the truth, " Israel is a beacon of what's right in a neighborhood overshadowed by the wrongs of radicalism, extremism, despotism and terrorism. We need only look to one of Israel 's greatest threats: namely, Iran . Make no mistake, Iran poses a threat not only to Israel , but to the entire Middle East and beyond… U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal. We cannot, we should not, we must not, permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. And in dealing with this threat as I have said for a very long time, no option can be taken off the table."
On Feb. 10, 2007 , Dr. Phyllis Bennis, a secular Jew, journalist, prolific author, Mid East analyst and Co-founder and Co-Chair of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation stated, " Iran has signed the NPT, which allows them the right to have nuclear power and to enrich uranium. The 185 non-nuclear states have agreed to give up the right to have nuclear weapons and the five nuclear powers that signed the NPT agreed to get rid of their nuclear weapons... Iran is not in violation of the NPT, but America is! The USA has been in violation ever since the day they signed it. The USA is acting like a rogue state. The rhetoric out of Washington , the arresting of Iranian diplomats in Iraq , are deliberate provocations hoping that the Iranians will take the bait and respond."
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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Posted by: robchapman on Mar 3, 2007 7:13 AM
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" ... few have reflected back on the day when the man from Hope, Arkansas sat in the Oval Office and initiated the policies of economic sanctions-based containment and regime change which President Bush later brought to fruition when he ordered the invasion of Iraq in March 2003."
Mr. Ritter has confused the policies of economic based sanctions and regime change that Clinton employed with the doctrine of pre-emptive war that Bush has employed to invade Iraq.
In Mr. Ritter's view of the world, opposition to a tyrannical, homicidal regime such as Saddam Hussein's inevitably sets us on a slippery slope toward pre-emptive invasion.
Fortunately, Senator Clinton recognizes the need for forceful action in the world and has shown willingness to support an assertive foreign policy.
But, Senator Clinton has made clear that her policy would stop short of the ineffective excesses of the Bush Adminisrtation.
Senator Clinton has made numerous statements that she supports an assertive foreign policy to protect America, to enhance our legitimate interests and to help strengthen the best of our values abroad.
Senator Clinton has shown the requisite attitudes of support for Presidential authority, firmness, integrity and independence of thought to deserve serious favorable consideration for the office she is currently seeking.
By viewing her overall record and not measuring her entire public career on the basis of the single vote to support the President following the 9/11 attacks, I am sure many readers will find that Senator Clinton is the candidate that best advocates their values and interests.
Robert Chapman
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 3, 2007 7:57 AM
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I wondered where he was back then and why he never made a major public statement. He wasn't a household name but the man had credibility and might have made a difference. Clinton bashing is beneath him. Anyone can do that. Be original, Scott. Thanks, ANNA
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Mar 3, 2007 8:11 AM
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I cannot thank you enough for writing this necessary analysis of the Clinton campaign! The connection between Bill and Hillary is daunting, the Iraq policy of one correlates to that of the other, or so I believe.
Hillary feels no reason to apologize for authorizing the "fight" in Iraq or Afghanistan for war is true to her convictions. This woman is a Hawk! Husband Bill's own Iraq policy was deplorable. The two are one.
While I admire many of Bill Clinton's policies, there are exceptions. Remember The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. Millions of children died with thanks to Bill.
I invite you to review my missive on the topic or other assessments of Hillary . . .
Hillary Clinton or Her Husband; War in Iraq
Clinton Blames Bush and Congress. Calls for Accountability, Not Her Own
Hillary Clinton Says "I'm In." My Reply, "I'm Out"
Might I also say, I heard you speak years ago, and just as this thesis, well-done!
Betsy L. Angert
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Posted by: wisewebwoman on Mar 3, 2007 8:55 AM
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Full support should be thrown behind the front-running Dem, no matter WHO. This internal trashing and bone crunching has got to stop to win back even a modicum of decency and intelligence in the White House.
I often think these articles and comments are written by subversive Neocons. Seriously.
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Posted by: mite on Mar 3, 2007 9:01 AM
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All Newspapers, Magazines, TV, and Radio are controlled by only 6-7 Corporations. Look it up people! The days of getting the truth sitting on our fat asses in front of the TV are over for those that want the truth.
All we get are what these corporations want us to know, and that sure is not the truth-the destruction of these united Staes and a police state.
Why does it take 10's of millions of dollars to get elected? Because it is designed that way. The International Banks-Corporations feed us members of the Council of Foreign Relations, Tri-laterial commission, and members of Skull-and-Bones or Freemasons.Read history people!
Now as Congress, Bush, denies The North American Union and our highways, tollways, are given to foreign corporations and governments, our borders are being erased and the countries of Canada, Mexico, and these U.S are being turned into another European Union design and dictatorship.
Not one of the major 'abc' news agency or 'AP' 'UP' are reporting on the North American Union. No their reporting on Anna Nicole Smith, and hollywood's stupid movies of ignorant bikers. Not to forget Iraq-Iraq-Iraq, to focus our attention on anything but the truth-911 inside job- Patriot Acts- Military Commission Act, and the destruction of the U.S. Constitution-Bill of Rights.
Alternet should be running stories everyday on the North American Union, NAFTA highway and our borders being invaded by illegals. Ask yourself people as you go to your controlled environments of jobs-If I was the CEO of my company and could get a immirgrant to do the jobs at 3/4th the cost and pay no benefits to my employee's that built this company and save millions of dollars-would I replace them.
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Posted by: rwa on Mar 3, 2007 9:40 AM
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The Democrats are hell-bent for war. All their talk of the non-binding resolution against the war, their newly found, vociferous opposition to the war, their attacks on the Bush regime and of bringing the troops home by 2008 (2 more years of slaughter), their refusal to defund the war to "support the troops", their claim that their hands are tied leaving them helpless to stop the war - all this talk is nothing less than obfuscation.
Yesterday NPR recorded Pelosi again, "Let me be clear. We will not cut off funding for our troops."
What is it that the Democrats are Refusing to Defund?
Let's take a look at exactly what it is that the Democrats in Congress are refusing to stop:
Recently, the Bush regime has targetted the Iraqi Resistance in Baghdad when he asked congress to give him "one last chance" to win the war. The most recent U.S. tactic to accomplish this bloody affair has been mass-scale bombing of neighborhoods in Baghdad, currently being carried out under the rubric, "Joint U.S.-Iraqi Security Operation", otherwise dubbed by the Pentagon, "Operation Enforce-the-Law". This "security operation" is certainly not providing security for those dying and fleeing from U.S. bombs in the neighborhoods.
Yesterday (March 1, 2007), Tom Bullock, NPR's mouthpiece in Baghdad, reported that the U.S. military has been carrying out "heavy bombing ... in numerous neighborhoods in and around Baghdad" attempting to wipe out "car bomb factories". Almost immediately after these latest U.S. attacks, Tom Bullock described these neighborhoods as "densely populated". When asked about reports of casualties, the NPR reporter said the bombing continued for about 2 hours and just ceased "so it's too early to know the extent of casualties". True to form, NPR couched this report in terms sypathetic to this U.S. attack on the people of Iraq, citing the numbers of U.S. troops previously killed by IED explosives and a recent bombing of the Iraqi police.
20 minutes after the NPR report cited above, the NPR script was apparently rewritten for Bullock deleting references to the "heavy bombing" in "dense neighborhoods". In the new version, NPR described this as a "security crackdown".
Here's a transcript of Tom Bullock's words on NPR:
"Dozens of loud explosions were heard today throughout Baghdad. In a city where explosions are common these stood out. A series of blasts coming in quick succession. A U.S. official ... says the explosions were an artillary barrage targetting predominantly Sunni neighborhoods in and around the city, part of a planned U.S. military operation targeting a car-bomb network in and around Baghdad. A high level military official says the operation will last for days and be followed up with U.S. and Iraqi ground troops. Car bombs remain a serious threat throughout Iraq. At least one exploded on Thursday in the City of Fallujah targetting a police convoy. The blast killed at least 5 Iraqi policemen and wounded at least 10 others. The group was heading to a wedding."
Note the emotional pull at the end of the NPR report: "The group was heading to a wedding party", Bullock stated, with his voice dipping into pity, but no pity for those children, women and men who are being killed and wounded in Iraq today under the current, escalation of U.S. attacks in Baghdad.
This aggression and violence being brought down on the heads of the Iraqi people this week is precisely what the Democrats are supporting with their refusal to end the war.
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Clintons have no past with Iraq. However, Bush senior certainly does. If your in the mood for poo poo, then I guess you'd like the title.
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Hillary Clinton has no reason to personally appologize for Iraq, we all voted and re-voted in Bush who is reasponsible for Iraq. That's like saying everyone who voted for Bush twice should apologize to the amercian people... Maybe that's not such a bad idea... "She was witness to years of President Bill Gates's deception and lying about Saddam Hussein's virus programs to justify attacks on the Macintosh corporation." The statement is silly and makes just about as much sense no matter who's names you put in there. "Oh my goodness, really!" People with a taste for poop will like this Header but don't have any real value to the rest of us. Garbage in- Garbage out.
And then the story starts out with personal attacks on the lady, which as we all know works only in Kindergarten. Ooops, maybe thats who's speaking out here at this site. Continue with your diaper quarrels, but try and keep your smells to yourself. Thanks.
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Posted by: MISSING on Mar 3, 2007 10:34 AM
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lets face it, everytime you fill up your tank your part of the problem. 3/4 of the remaining oil is in the middle east so until we stop filling up our tanks, we are as much to blame as the oil men that run this county. if you want to be guilt free you better become part of the amish community.
Hillary is going to lose this election badly, even if Mc Cain wins the nomination. Hillary will never convince conservatives to vote for her even if mc cain is there only option. All the money in the world won't take away the years of conservative hatred of her, thats why i don't understand why she tries to appease them. Democrats best chance for a win is a gore/obama ticket.
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» See my post below entitled "Ralph Nader on the Israel Lobby in 2004"
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml? xml=/news/2003/05/04/writt04.xml (remove the space between ? and x)
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No matter what they tried-and they were admittedly timid-the Democrats could neither upset, mire, or throw Ronald Reagan on the defensive. He smiled, shrugged his shoulders and tefloned his way to victory after victory.
The Republicans are flummoxed when it comes to Senator Clinton. They could not even mount a hardy campaign against her in 2006, leaving a nominal Yonkers mayor the hapless task to take up the space on the ballot opposite her. She walked to victory, spending over $35 million in the process.
The reasons why Republicans cannot score points against Clinton is that she is so much like them on the key corporate power issues. Although she is on the Armed Services Committee, she took President Eisenhower's description of the "military-industrial complex" and repeatedly rubber stamped the massive, bloated, wasteful and corrupt expenditures.
It was not for her to question any redundant weapons systems, no longer strategically needed in the post-Soviet Union era. It was not for her to act on the scores of investigative findings by the Government Accountability Office of the Congress documenting corporate waste, fraud and abuse and do something about them. Let a thousand weapon systems bloom was and is her mantra.
The corporate crime wave of the past seven years, draining and looting trillions of dollars from workers, investors and pension-holders did not catch her industrious attention either. Notwithstanding the publicized enforcement efforts of her state's attorney general, Eliot Spitzer, whose popularity took him to a landslide win for the Governorship, she refused to extend his efforts in the U.S. Senate by pushing the regulatory agencies for a necessary crackdown on corporate crime. He gave her the ultimate political cover, by showing the great public support for his "law and order" drives, but she lacked the political fortitude and opted instead for the political cash for her campaigns.
Further contributing to the gigantic government deficit in Washington are the dozens of programs providing subsidies, handouts and bailouts to large corporations known as "corporate welfare." One would think that all that experience in her husband's White House, which she touts routinely, would have predisposed her to championing cutting corporate welfare that now amounts to hundreds of billions of dollars a year in an upward distribution of wealth from the have-littles to the have-lots. No way. Hillary lets the tax revenues and the tax loopholes grow and the windfalls swell the coffers of big business.
By this time the Republicans cannot describe her in the least as "anti-business." Why the Senator from New York has done virtually nothing about the business crimes against the poor in her state, especially in the inner city where outrageous interest charges on pay-day loans, predatory lending, redlining, landlord abuses and code violations, lead and asbestos abound. Many of these financial scams benefit Wall Street financiers.
What's left for the Republicans to work on? The Iraq war? Senator Clinton voted for the war resolution and refuses to admit her mistake in so doing. She remains generally a Democratic Hawk on foreign policy.
What about global corporate trade? She is a fervent backer of the World Trade Organization and NAFTA, though she now wants to tweak them with some unenforceable labor and environmental qualifications. The evidence that these trade treaties have cost good industrial jobs, driven down efforts to keep living wages, and contributed to the country's huge trade deficits is also decisive..
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Posted by: boing007 on Mar 3, 2007 2:13 PM
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Like Roodee Julie Awknee.
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War is good for business. Eh, Hillary?
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Read and kiss our asses good-bye. We are so deep in denial and our lives of comfort we'll never see the truth until its to late. It has nothing to do with republicans-democrats, neo-cons-liberials, etc-etc. there is only masters and slaves. And we are all enslaved.
We have given up our religions, family, morals-values, and pride of country and right and wrong, for money-greed, and our stupid pride. We all will get what we deserve-in the end.
We say we love our children and care about their future. Well I think we are all full of it.
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Our allies were on board with his policies and the threat of Alquaeda was a priority in his administration.
It's easy for Mr Ritter to cast blame , but I believe he would view the world differently if he wore the shoes of the President of the U.S.
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So, you guys don't like Obama. You don't like Hillary. Who DO you like? I don't mean some out there activist that has no chance of winning. I don't mean someone who is part of a new multiparty system three elections down the road...
Who do you want NOW? Realistically? That is going to be on the ballot, and who liberal Americans (the majority now, thank gods) will know?
I'm not saying to blindly support either of them. However, you need to support someone who will realistically get into the White House. Please tell me that you guys don't think that some magic deus ex machina party is going to pop up and magically nab 34% of the popular vote in a brand new three party system (change percentages for the number of parties you think could be viable by 2008).
All you're doing is diluting what should be our focus: helping what we have presently improve, not throwing out complaints and wishes for some pie-in-the-sky politico that will never exist. I love that we're doing the Rethugs' work for them. With supporters like this, they don't need MAnn Coulter.
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She will, of course, lose the election and America will then have even longer under some Republican madman.
It's a rigged system.
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30 people dead in the last two days in a war that Senator Hillary Clinton has supported since she first voted "yea" to give Bloody George carte-blanche to invade Iraq and her continuing support via her "yea" votes on giving the war-addict in the White House the key to the treasury.
Soon after Camp Casey in August, 05, I was meeting with some Hollywood people who pretended that they supported me, but really were big money donors and supporters of Hillary. I was told that the Senator was really against the war, but she was waiting for the politically correct time to come out against it. I was told that she was the best hope for the Democrats in 2008, and I should give her a break.
I don't know who Mr. and Mrs. Hollywood and Mr. Hollywood Got Rocks thought that they were talking to. My son was used as a "soldier of Christ" in BushCo's crusade against the world and a political pawn in such pro-war Democrat's moves to the White House. I was disgusted and noted this in many blogs that I wrote at the time.
I supported the candidate for Senate in New York that ran a very courageous, anti-war race against Clinton: Jonathan Tasini. CODEPINK New York did amazing work dogging the Senator and her supporters everywhere that she went and outing the fact that she is a Republican in Democratic clothing. Unfortunately, the people of New York spoke and Clinton, the pro-war candidate beat out Jonathan. The conservative area that she and President Clinton moved their carpet bags to after their presidency was over had a major impact on the last elections.
I, my sister, Dede, and another Gold Star Mother, Lynn Braddach, whose son, Travis Nall was killed in Iraq in 2003, met with Sen. Clinton in DC in September of 2005. We poured our hearts and souls out to her. We cried as we told her of our sons and our fear for the people of Iraq and the escalating body count of our brave young people. She sat there stone-faced and walked out and told Sarah Ferguson, of the Village Voice, "My bottom line is that I don't want their sons to die in vain . . . I don't believe it's smart to set a date for withdrawal . . . I don't think it's the right time to withdraw." She may as well have slapped us in the face using Bloody George's line and using our son's
sacrifice to justify her war-mongering.
On Thursday, January 18th, Senator Clinton introduced a meaningless bill to put a cap on the number of soldiers that can be in Iraq set at January 1st levels. It is as weak and meaningless as the non-binding resolution and a politically safe move, since almost ¾ of the country oppose the war and oppose Bloody George. When she introduced her Senate bill last Thursday, over 1000 of our young people have come home in body bags and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have died while she was waiting for the best political time to be semi-against the war. How many of our troops are lying in Walter Reed with devastating injuries that could have been prevented if a Senate leader like Clinton would have taken a moral, instead of political stance?
I, again, affirm my commitment to peace. I don't care if it is a man or a woman; Democrat or Republican; white or black; Christian, Jew or otherwise. I will only support a candidate who is courageously and uncompromisingly committed to peace.
Hillary Clinton is not that person. She never will be. History speaks louder than words.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 4, 2007 9:20 AM
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Under Bush, we've seen abandonment of diplomacy in favor of imperial military aggression.
Under Hillary, you'll see token offerings to the public sector and somewhat broader access to health care and education.
Under Bush, all must go to the rich, and privatizing everything from education to social security is the poicy.
Under Hillary, a few token offerings will be made in the name of renewable energy and climate change, but no substantial efforts will be made.
Under Bush, you'll get nothing but sound bites and blatant lies, while the attempts at military control of foreign oil resources and the expansion of coal-fired electricity will continue.
Hillary and Bush are both beloved of Rupert Murdoch. That's where the real control sits - not with the corporate-owned politicians, but with the bankers, oil barons and media moguls. Hillary and Bush serve the same people - they just have different methods and approaches. Both are believers in imperial elitist America, in other words.
Dump Hillary and Bush. Get the billionaires out of politics. Reform the electoral financing system, and the voting system. It's either that, or trade in your democratic republic for an imperial totalitarian corporate state.
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Posted by: anothername on Mar 4, 2007 9:57 AM
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From the feminist perspective, blaming Hillary for Bill's mistakes is typical. Bill lied to Hillary about Monica. What else did he lie to her about? Even without that question, corporate wives, which are not that different from political wives in key factors, are trained to praise their husbands' accomplishments and to reap the rewards of those accomplishments. That does not mean, however, that the wife knows what the husband does every day. Just ask the wife of Ken Lay.
When strong individuals are married, it is not unexpected that they would talk about some issues, but, again, that does not mean that every issue is discussed. In the 2008 presidential campaign cycle, Americans are having difficulty trying to separate what Hillary did or did not know about her husband's knowledge and actions. The fact that she cites her husband's accomplishments in the White House is to be expected given her role as a political wife. Much of the antagonism against Hillary the presidential candidate is very clearly rejection of her as a woman who has overstepped her role of the political wife. This rant by Ritter is no exception.
If Ritter had chosen, instead, to write a reasoned timeline of how the U.S. first built up Saddam Hussein, then sought to take him down, and how the Clinton administration was part of that continuum, I would have been interested in reading it. What I learned long ago from a group of high-level political wives was that the technocrats keep programs and policies advancing, especially military weapons, regardless of who is in office.
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Voter: "Which is what?"
"That it would be so unpopular!"
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I ask again when a republican or democrat has really done us any good compared to the bad they did during there time in office. There has not been one who done anything good for us since and including regean. We got bone after bone.
If it says democrat or republican it's still a dog and it will bite the hand that feeds it. WAKE THE %^$# UP
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On the one hand, I want to vote for her because she is a woman. On the other, she voted for the war and she's hedging on abortion. Would Kucinich be better for a woman? Sigh. Sue
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Just do a search for "SCOTT RITTER"
It's worth listening to talks given before the official invasion, he lays out the case for "no WMDs"
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"Clintonslime" is the willingness to pave your own way with other people's motives and blood... outdone in modern history only by the likes of Bush&co.
We are in real trouble if our choice is between Gulianni and Clinton, the new torch-bearers of the official lie.
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» Guiliani Was Not "Tough On Crime"! He Just Talked "Tough"!! Dinkins Was "Tough On Crime"!!
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Posted by: footman on Mar 3, 2007 3:27 AM
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Why must you insist on voting only for the candidates with the best facelifts and TV personalities?
When will people realise the "choice" is between dumb and dumber?
In Michael Moore's "Stupid White Men", there is a chapter where he documents how terribly the president has messed up. He's destroyed the environment, advanced the cause of big businesses and the corporate kleptocracy, dismantled open government and increased big-brother surveillance, and at every opportunity has resorted to war over diplomacy. At the end of a five page rant about all these things, you're absolutely disgusted at the American President - what a bastard... Then the reveal : the President he was talking about is Bill Clinton.
Bush/Clinton/Obama/Schwartznegger - they're all the same. Some minor ideological differences to keep the masses' eyes off of the real agenda (even before Roe Vs. Wade, the rich elite had no problems getting access to safe abortions, and universal healthcare is not of any consequence to those with their own staff to manage their finances) .
When will Americans realise that they get the candidate that big business pays for? If your candidate is on TV, they're probably a puppet, not a representative. Pay attention to the hands, not the puppets - they are both connected to the same body.
Oh and on the topic, who has even HEARD of Dennis Kucinich? It's incredible to see the whitewash of his campaign, and how both "sides" of politics have labelled him a "Vanity" candidate. Even while Obama swears he never voted for the war (which is convenient, since he wasn't in congress at the time). It staggers me that people eat this horse manure up with such zeal.
I weep for Rome - once I had faith in her, but the Rubicon has been crossed, and unfortunately the masses are addicted to visiting the Circus Maximus.
Enjoy the Gladiators as they battle bravely for the title - but for the smart ones - try to remember that even in Rome, it was usually determined in advance which Gladiator would win the fight.
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They simple don't get it, that Slick Willie's understudy-- the "Karaoke Candidate" -- will NEVER command the respect of U.S. military personnel. That is not be a good thing, especially when our soldiers and Marines are in harm's way overseas.
America needs a leader with courage, experience and integrity, not an ego-driven lip-syncher. I suggest Bob Gates is that person.
Hugh E. Scott
Vietnam veteran, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, John Kerry supporter in 2004, author of "George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT" and the creator/editor of www.King-George.biz, the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: lorenwrigley on Mar 3, 2007 5:36 AM
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I say thanks to Ritter, and screw Hillary Clinton. I'd rather have another four years of W than her. At least yI know the realism of W as compared to the slithering snake wriggling selfishness and lies of the Clintons.
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 3, 2007 5:46 AM
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Sorry for the extra comment, but I didn't want to sound stupid like Shrub.
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And so I add some more ammo
http://www.aljazeerah.info/
Al-Jazeerah, February 26, 2007
Eileen Fleming
On February 1, 2007 Senator Hillary Clinton's delusional remarks to AIPAC/ American Israel Public Affairs Committee, prove she has never outgrown her favorite movie for she remains a resident in the land of Oz.
The Democrat Demimondaine and Consummate Pandering Politician purred to AIPAC, "I've been a strong supporter of Israel's right to build a security barrier to keep terrorists out. I have spoken out against the International Court of Justice for questioning Israel's right to build that fence of security."
Clinton not only cares naught for the rule of law, she apparently does not read the august Washington Report on Middle East Affairs , "Financed with U.S. aid at a cost of $1.5 million per mile, the Israeli wall prevents residents from receiving health care and emergency medical services. In other areas, the barrier separates farmers from their olive groves which have been their families' sole livelihood for generations." [Page 43, Jan/Feb. 2007]
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http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/
02/15/07
Eileen Fleming
...Clinton continued to satisfy the ignoble lusts of AIPAC as she continued to deny the truth, " Israel is a beacon of what's right in a neighborhood overshadowed by the wrongs of radicalism, extremism, despotism and terrorism. We need only look to one of Israel 's greatest threats: namely, Iran . Make no mistake, Iran poses a threat not only to Israel , but to the entire Middle East and beyond… U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal. We cannot, we should not, we must not, permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. And in dealing with this threat as I have said for a very long time, no option can be taken off the table."
On Feb. 10, 2007 , Dr. Phyllis Bennis, a secular Jew, journalist, prolific author, Mid East analyst and Co-founder and Co-Chair of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation stated, " Iran has signed the NPT, which allows them the right to have nuclear power and to enrich uranium. The 185 non-nuclear states have agreed to give up the right to have nuclear weapons and the five nuclear powers that signed the NPT agreed to get rid of their nuclear weapons... Iran is not in violation of the NPT, but America is! The USA has been in violation ever since the day they signed it. The USA is acting like a rogue state. The rhetoric out of Washington , the arresting of Iranian diplomats in Iraq , are deliberate provocations hoping that the Iranians will take the bait and respond."
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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" ... few have reflected back on the day when the man from Hope, Arkansas sat in the Oval Office and initiated the policies of economic sanctions-based containment and regime change which President Bush later brought to fruition when he ordered the invasion of Iraq in March 2003."
Mr. Ritter has confused the policies of economic based sanctions and regime change that Clinton employed with the doctrine of pre-emptive war that Bush has employed to invade Iraq.
In Mr. Ritter's view of the world, opposition to a tyrannical, homicidal regime such as Saddam Hussein's inevitably sets us on a slippery slope toward pre-emptive invasion.
Fortunately, Senator Clinton recognizes the need for forceful action in the world and has shown willingness to support an assertive foreign policy.
But, Senator Clinton has made clear that her policy would stop short of the ineffective excesses of the Bush Adminisrtation.
Senator Clinton has made numerous statements that she supports an assertive foreign policy to protect America, to enhance our legitimate interests and to help strengthen the best of our values abroad.
Senator Clinton has shown the requisite attitudes of support for Presidential authority, firmness, integrity and independence of thought to deserve serious favorable consideration for the office she is currently seeking.
By viewing her overall record and not measuring her entire public career on the basis of the single vote to support the President following the 9/11 attacks, I am sure many readers will find that Senator Clinton is the candidate that best advocates their values and interests.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 3, 2007 7:57 AM
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I wondered where he was back then and why he never made a major public statement. He wasn't a household name but the man had credibility and might have made a difference. Clinton bashing is beneath him. Anyone can do that. Be original, Scott. Thanks, ANNA
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Mar 3, 2007 8:11 AM
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I cannot thank you enough for writing this necessary analysis of the Clinton campaign! The connection between Bill and Hillary is daunting, the Iraq policy of one correlates to that of the other, or so I believe.
Hillary feels no reason to apologize for authorizing the "fight" in Iraq or Afghanistan for war is true to her convictions. This woman is a Hawk! Husband Bill's own Iraq policy was deplorable. The two are one.
While I admire many of Bill Clinton's policies, there are exceptions. Remember The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. Millions of children died with thanks to Bill.
I invite you to review my missive on the topic or other assessments of Hillary . . .
Hillary Clinton or Her Husband; War in Iraq
Clinton Blames Bush and Congress. Calls for Accountability, Not Her Own
Hillary Clinton Says "I'm In." My Reply, "I'm Out"
Might I also say, I heard you speak years ago, and just as this thesis, well-done!
Betsy L. Angert
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Posted by: wisewebwoman on Mar 3, 2007 8:55 AM
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Full support should be thrown behind the front-running Dem, no matter WHO. This internal trashing and bone crunching has got to stop to win back even a modicum of decency and intelligence in the White House.
I often think these articles and comments are written by subversive Neocons. Seriously.
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Posted by: mite on Mar 3, 2007 9:01 AM
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All Newspapers, Magazines, TV, and Radio are controlled by only 6-7 Corporations. Look it up people! The days of getting the truth sitting on our fat asses in front of the TV are over for those that want the truth.
All we get are what these corporations want us to know, and that sure is not the truth-the destruction of these united Staes and a police state.
Why does it take 10's of millions of dollars to get elected? Because it is designed that way. The International Banks-Corporations feed us members of the Council of Foreign Relations, Tri-laterial commission, and members of Skull-and-Bones or Freemasons.Read history people!
Now as Congress, Bush, denies The North American Union and our highways, tollways, are given to foreign corporations and governments, our borders are being erased and the countries of Canada, Mexico, and these U.S are being turned into another European Union design and dictatorship.
Not one of the major 'abc' news agency or 'AP' 'UP' are reporting on the North American Union. No their reporting on Anna Nicole Smith, and hollywood's stupid movies of ignorant bikers. Not to forget Iraq-Iraq-Iraq, to focus our attention on anything but the truth-911 inside job- Patriot Acts- Military Commission Act, and the destruction of the U.S. Constitution-Bill of Rights.
Alternet should be running stories everyday on the North American Union, NAFTA highway and our borders being invaded by illegals. Ask yourself people as you go to your controlled environments of jobs-If I was the CEO of my company and could get a immirgrant to do the jobs at 3/4th the cost and pay no benefits to my employee's that built this company and save millions of dollars-would I replace them.
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» Vote for Nader, get another Republican.
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Posted by: rwa on Mar 3, 2007 9:40 AM
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The Democrats are hell-bent for war. All their talk of the non-binding resolution against the war, their newly found, vociferous opposition to the war, their attacks on the Bush regime and of bringing the troops home by 2008 (2 more years of slaughter), their refusal to defund the war to "support the troops", their claim that their hands are tied leaving them helpless to stop the war - all this talk is nothing less than obfuscation.
Yesterday NPR recorded Pelosi again, "Let me be clear. We will not cut off funding for our troops."
What is it that the Democrats are Refusing to Defund?
Let's take a look at exactly what it is that the Democrats in Congress are refusing to stop:
Recently, the Bush regime has targetted the Iraqi Resistance in Baghdad when he asked congress to give him "one last chance" to win the war. The most recent U.S. tactic to accomplish this bloody affair has been mass-scale bombing of neighborhoods in Baghdad, currently being carried out under the rubric, "Joint U.S.-Iraqi Security Operation", otherwise dubbed by the Pentagon, "Operation Enforce-the-Law". This "security operation" is certainly not providing security for those dying and fleeing from U.S. bombs in the neighborhoods.
Yesterday (March 1, 2007), Tom Bullock, NPR's mouthpiece in Baghdad, reported that the U.S. military has been carrying out "heavy bombing ... in numerous neighborhoods in and around Baghdad" attempting to wipe out "car bomb factories". Almost immediately after these latest U.S. attacks, Tom Bullock described these neighborhoods as "densely populated". When asked about reports of casualties, the NPR reporter said the bombing continued for about 2 hours and just ceased "so it's too early to know the extent of casualties". True to form, NPR couched this report in terms sypathetic to this U.S. attack on the people of Iraq, citing the numbers of U.S. troops previously killed by IED explosives and a recent bombing of the Iraqi police.
20 minutes after the NPR report cited above, the NPR script was apparently rewritten for Bullock deleting references to the "heavy bombing" in "dense neighborhoods". In the new version, NPR described this as a "security crackdown".
Here's a transcript of Tom Bullock's words on NPR:
"Dozens of loud explosions were heard today throughout Baghdad. In a city where explosions are common these stood out. A series of blasts coming in quick succession. A U.S. official ... says the explosions were an artillary barrage targetting predominantly Sunni neighborhoods in and around the city, part of a planned U.S. military operation targeting a car-bomb network in and around Baghdad. A high level military official says the operation will last for days and be followed up with U.S. and Iraqi ground troops. Car bombs remain a serious threat throughout Iraq. At least one exploded on Thursday in the City of Fallujah targetting a police convoy. The blast killed at least 5 Iraqi policemen and wounded at least 10 others. The group was heading to a wedding."
Note the emotional pull at the end of the NPR report: "The group was heading to a wedding party", Bullock stated, with his voice dipping into pity, but no pity for those children, women and men who are being killed and wounded in Iraq today under the current, escalation of U.S. attacks in Baghdad.
This aggression and violence being brought down on the heads of the Iraqi people this week is precisely what the Democrats are supporting with their refusal to end the war.
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Posted by: obama on Mar 3, 2007 10:33 AM
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Clintons have no past with Iraq. However, Bush senior certainly does. If your in the mood for poo poo, then I guess you'd like the title.
The Header...
Hillary Clinton has no reason to personally appologize for Iraq, we all voted and re-voted in Bush who is reasponsible for Iraq. That's like saying everyone who voted for Bush twice should apologize to the amercian people... Maybe that's not such a bad idea... "She was witness to years of President Bill Gates's deception and lying about Saddam Hussein's virus programs to justify attacks on the Macintosh corporation." The statement is silly and makes just about as much sense no matter who's names you put in there. "Oh my goodness, really!" People with a taste for poop will like this Header but don't have any real value to the rest of us. Garbage in- Garbage out.
And then the story starts out with personal attacks on the lady, which as we all know works only in Kindergarten. Ooops, maybe thats who's speaking out here at this site. Continue with your diaper quarrels, but try and keep your smells to yourself. Thanks.
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Posted by: MISSING on Mar 3, 2007 10:34 AM
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lets face it, everytime you fill up your tank your part of the problem. 3/4 of the remaining oil is in the middle east so until we stop filling up our tanks, we are as much to blame as the oil men that run this county. if you want to be guilt free you better become part of the amish community.
Hillary is going to lose this election badly, even if Mc Cain wins the nomination. Hillary will never convince conservatives to vote for her even if mc cain is there only option. All the money in the world won't take away the years of conservative hatred of her, thats why i don't understand why she tries to appease them. Democrats best chance for a win is a gore/obama ticket.
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» See my post below entitled "Ralph Nader on the Israel Lobby in 2004"
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click here! USAToday headlines
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml? xml=/news/2003/05/04/writt04.xml (remove the space between ? and x)
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Posted by: rwa on Mar 3, 2007 2:12 PM
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No matter what they tried-and they were admittedly timid-the Democrats could neither upset, mire, or throw Ronald Reagan on the defensive. He smiled, shrugged his shoulders and tefloned his way to victory after victory.
The Republicans are flummoxed when it comes to Senator Clinton. They could not even mount a hardy campaign against her in 2006, leaving a nominal Yonkers mayor the hapless task to take up the space on the ballot opposite her. She walked to victory, spending over $35 million in the process.
The reasons why Republicans cannot score points against Clinton is that she is so much like them on the key corporate power issues. Although she is on the Armed Services Committee, she took President Eisenhower's description of the "military-industrial complex" and repeatedly rubber stamped the massive, bloated, wasteful and corrupt expenditures.
It was not for her to question any redundant weapons systems, no longer strategically needed in the post-Soviet Union era. It was not for her to act on the scores of investigative findings by the Government Accountability Office of the Congress documenting corporate waste, fraud and abuse and do something about them. Let a thousand weapon systems bloom was and is her mantra.
The corporate crime wave of the past seven years, draining and looting trillions of dollars from workers, investors and pension-holders did not catch her industrious attention either. Notwithstanding the publicized enforcement efforts of her state's attorney general, Eliot Spitzer, whose popularity took him to a landslide win for the Governorship, she refused to extend his efforts in the U.S. Senate by pushing the regulatory agencies for a necessary crackdown on corporate crime. He gave her the ultimate political cover, by showing the great public support for his "law and order" drives, but she lacked the political fortitude and opted instead for the political cash for her campaigns.
Further contributing to the gigantic government deficit in Washington are the dozens of programs providing subsidies, handouts and bailouts to large corporations known as "corporate welfare." One would think that all that experience in her husband's White House, which she touts routinely, would have predisposed her to championing cutting corporate welfare that now amounts to hundreds of billions of dollars a year in an upward distribution of wealth from the have-littles to the have-lots. No way. Hillary lets the tax revenues and the tax loopholes grow and the windfalls swell the coffers of big business.
By this time the Republicans cannot describe her in the least as "anti-business." Why the Senator from New York has done virtually nothing about the business crimes against the poor in her state, especially in the inner city where outrageous interest charges on pay-day loans, predatory lending, redlining, landlord abuses and code violations, lead and asbestos abound. Many of these financial scams benefit Wall Street financiers.
What's left for the Republicans to work on? The Iraq war? Senator Clinton voted for the war resolution and refuses to admit her mistake in so doing. She remains generally a Democratic Hawk on foreign policy.
What about global corporate trade? She is a fervent backer of the World Trade Organization and NAFTA, though she now wants to tweak them with some unenforceable labor and environmental qualifications. The evidence that these trade treaties have cost good industrial jobs, driven down efforts to keep living wages, and contributed to the country's huge trade deficits is also decisive..
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Posted by: boing007 on Mar 3, 2007 2:13 PM
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Like Roodee Julie Awknee.
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Posted by: boing007 on Mar 3, 2007 2:45 PM
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War is good for business. Eh, Hillary?
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Posted by: mite on Mar 3, 2007 4:00 PM
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Read and kiss our asses good-bye. We are so deep in denial and our lives of comfort we'll never see the truth until its to late. It has nothing to do with republicans-democrats, neo-cons-liberials, etc-etc. there is only masters and slaves. And we are all enslaved.
We have given up our religions, family, morals-values, and pride of country and right and wrong, for money-greed, and our stupid pride. We all will get what we deserve-in the end.
We say we love our children and care about their future. Well I think we are all full of it.
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Posted by: jlc on Mar 3, 2007 4:11 PM
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Our allies were on board with his policies and the threat of Alquaeda was a priority in his administration.
It's easy for Mr Ritter to cast blame , but I believe he would view the world differently if he wore the shoes of the President of the U.S.
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Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Mar 3, 2007 4:12 PM
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So, you guys don't like Obama. You don't like Hillary. Who DO you like? I don't mean some out there activist that has no chance of winning. I don't mean someone who is part of a new multiparty system three elections down the road...
Who do you want NOW? Realistically? That is going to be on the ballot, and who liberal Americans (the majority now, thank gods) will know?
I'm not saying to blindly support either of them. However, you need to support someone who will realistically get into the White House. Please tell me that you guys don't think that some magic deus ex machina party is going to pop up and magically nab 34% of the popular vote in a brand new three party system (change percentages for the number of parties you think could be viable by 2008).
All you're doing is diluting what should be our focus: helping what we have presently improve, not throwing out complaints and wishes for some pie-in-the-sky politico that will never exist. I love that we're doing the Rethugs' work for them. With supporters like this, they don't need MAnn Coulter.
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» RE: Who do you all want?
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» You're all avoiding a direct answer, though.
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» RE: Who do you all want?
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Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 3, 2007 5:30 PM
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She will, of course, lose the election and America will then have even longer under some Republican madman.
It's a rigged system.
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Posted by: rwa on Mar 3, 2007 6:53 PM
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30 people dead in the last two days in a war that Senator Hillary Clinton has supported since she first voted "yea" to give Bloody George carte-blanche to invade Iraq and her continuing support via her "yea" votes on giving the war-addict in the White House the key to the treasury.
Soon after Camp Casey in August, 05, I was meeting with some Hollywood people who pretended that they supported me, but really were big money donors and supporters of Hillary. I was told that the Senator was really against the war, but she was waiting for the politically correct time to come out against it. I was told that she was the best hope for the Democrats in 2008, and I should give her a break.
I don't know who Mr. and Mrs. Hollywood and Mr. Hollywood Got Rocks thought that they were talking to. My son was used as a "soldier of Christ" in BushCo's crusade against the world and a political pawn in such pro-war Democrat's moves to the White House. I was disgusted and noted this in many blogs that I wrote at the time.
I supported the candidate for Senate in New York that ran a very courageous, anti-war race against Clinton: Jonathan Tasini. CODEPINK New York did amazing work dogging the Senator and her supporters everywhere that she went and outing the fact that she is a Republican in Democratic clothing. Unfortunately, the people of New York spoke and Clinton, the pro-war candidate beat out Jonathan. The conservative area that she and President Clinton moved their carpet bags to after their presidency was over had a major impact on the last elections.
I, my sister, Dede, and another Gold Star Mother, Lynn Braddach, whose son, Travis Nall was killed in Iraq in 2003, met with Sen. Clinton in DC in September of 2005. We poured our hearts and souls out to her. We cried as we told her of our sons and our fear for the people of Iraq and the escalating body count of our brave young people. She sat there stone-faced and walked out and told Sarah Ferguson, of the Village Voice, "My bottom line is that I don't want their sons to die in vain . . . I don't believe it's smart to set a date for withdrawal . . . I don't think it's the right time to withdraw." She may as well have slapped us in the face using Bloody George's line and using our son's
sacrifice to justify her war-mongering.
On Thursday, January 18th, Senator Clinton introduced a meaningless bill to put a cap on the number of soldiers that can be in Iraq set at January 1st levels. It is as weak and meaningless as the non-binding resolution and a politically safe move, since almost ¾ of the country oppose the war and oppose Bloody George. When she introduced her Senate bill last Thursday, over 1000 of our young people have come home in body bags and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have died while she was waiting for the best political time to be semi-against the war. How many of our troops are lying in Walter Reed with devastating injuries that could have been prevented if a Senate leader like Clinton would have taken a moral, instead of political stance?
I, again, affirm my commitment to peace. I don't care if it is a man or a woman; Democrat or Republican; white or black; Christian, Jew or otherwise. I will only support a candidate who is courageously and uncompromisingly committed to peace.
Hillary Clinton is not that person. She never will be. History speaks louder than words.
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Posted by: sldulin on Mar 3, 2007 7:08 PM
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Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 3, 2007 10:36 PM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 4, 2007 9:20 AM
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Under Bush, we've seen abandonment of diplomacy in favor of imperial military aggression.
Under Hillary, you'll see token offerings to the public sector and somewhat broader access to health care and education.
Under Bush, all must go to the rich, and privatizing everything from education to social security is the poicy.
Under Hillary, a few token offerings will be made in the name of renewable energy and climate change, but no substantial efforts will be made.
Under Bush, you'll get nothing but sound bites and blatant lies, while the attempts at military control of foreign oil resources and the expansion of coal-fired electricity will continue.
Hillary and Bush are both beloved of Rupert Murdoch. That's where the real control sits - not with the corporate-owned politicians, but with the bankers, oil barons and media moguls. Hillary and Bush serve the same people - they just have different methods and approaches. Both are believers in imperial elitist America, in other words.
Dump Hillary and Bush. Get the billionaires out of politics. Reform the electoral financing system, and the voting system. It's either that, or trade in your democratic republic for an imperial totalitarian corporate state.
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Posted by: anothername on Mar 4, 2007 9:57 AM
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From the feminist perspective, blaming Hillary for Bill's mistakes is typical. Bill lied to Hillary about Monica. What else did he lie to her about? Even without that question, corporate wives, which are not that different from political wives in key factors, are trained to praise their husbands' accomplishments and to reap the rewards of those accomplishments. That does not mean, however, that the wife knows what the husband does every day. Just ask the wife of Ken Lay.
When strong individuals are married, it is not unexpected that they would talk about some issues, but, again, that does not mean that every issue is discussed. In the 2008 presidential campaign cycle, Americans are having difficulty trying to separate what Hillary did or did not know about her husband's knowledge and actions. The fact that she cites her husband's accomplishments in the White House is to be expected given her role as a political wife. Much of the antagonism against Hillary the presidential candidate is very clearly rejection of her as a woman who has overstepped her role of the political wife. This rant by Ritter is no exception.
If Ritter had chosen, instead, to write a reasoned timeline of how the U.S. first built up Saddam Hussein, then sought to take him down, and how the Clinton administration was part of that continuum, I would have been interested in reading it. What I learned long ago from a group of high-level political wives was that the technocrats keep programs and policies advancing, especially military weapons, regardless of who is in office.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 4, 2007 10:26 AM
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Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 4, 2007 10:41 AM
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Mar 4, 2007 11:31 AM
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Voter: "Which is what?"
"That it would be so unpopular!"
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Posted by: Krain61 on Mar 4, 2007 1:32 PM
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I ask again when a republican or democrat has really done us any good compared to the bad they did during there time in office. There has not been one who done anything good for us since and including regean. We got bone after bone.
If it says democrat or republican it's still a dog and it will bite the hand that feeds it. WAKE THE %^$# UP
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Posted by: opeluboy on Mar 5, 2007 12:42 PM
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On the one hand, I want to vote for her because she is a woman. On the other, she voted for the war and she's hedging on abortion. Would Kucinich be better for a woman? Sigh. Sue
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Posted by: fanny666 on Mar 8, 2007 11:58 AM
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Just do a search for "SCOTT RITTER"
It's worth listening to talks given before the official invasion, he lays out the case for "no WMDs"
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