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Why Can't We Talk about Peace in Public?

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted February 28, 2007.


America's growing economic dependence on the hi-tech defense industry is creating a culture that views peace and nonviolence as seditious concepts.

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"The fellas from 121 started showing up the other day. It's starting to sink in... I'll have to go home, the opportunities to kill these fuckers is rapidly coming to an end. Like a hobby I'll never get to practice again. It's not a great war, but it's the only one we've got. God, I do love killing these bastards. ... Morale is high, the Marines can smell the barn. It's hard to keep them focused. I still have 20 days of kill these motherfuckers, so I don't wanna take even one day off. " -- letter home from an unnamed Marine F/A -18 pilot in Iraq.

The above letter arrived in my inbox via an email circular sent by an acquaintance of mine, a defense analyst and former congressional aide named Winslow Wheeler. It came alongside a pained commentary by another former Pentagon analyst named Franklin (Chuck) Spinney, who is probably best known for the famous "Spinney report" of the mid-'80s which exposed the waste and inefficiency of many hi-tech Defense Department projects.

Spinney's career followed the classic whistleblower arc; after sending his courageous Jerry Maguire letter on Pentagon waste up the bureaucratic flagpole, he was nearly buried by his own bosses only to be saved from ignominy at the last minute by the intercession of Senator Chuck Grassley, who invited him to air his findings in Congress.

Spinney ended up on the cover of Time magazine a week later and soon thereafter began a new career as a much sought-after expert on the inner workings of the military-industrial complex. Like another famous post-Watergate whistleblower, Karen Silkwood, Spinney ended up inspiring a Hollywood feature film -- although in this case no Oscars were forthcoming, as the key role in the lighthearted comedy The Pentagon Wars was played by Cary Elwes instead of Meryl Streep. Brutally, Kelsey Grammer also made an appearance as the film's heavy.

Now retired and living in the Mediterranean, Spinney briefly returned to the States and somehow got hold of the above letter by a Marine pilot involved in close air support missions in Iraq. Spinney's commentary about the pilot ran as follows:

Here is a "warrior" who brags about killing for killing's sake, but the people he kills are just spots on the ground that disappear in clouds of explosions. He describes the joy of war at a distance and sees nothing of its horrors. You won't find any descriptions of blood, broken limbs, trauma or destruction in this email. You won't even find reference to his own feelings of menace or fear -- not to mention their noble counterweights courage and esprit -- just braggadocio on the subject of killing. Of course, his targets are all insurgents: no sense of any human capacity for doubt on that point. ... Hopefully, the man who wrote this ghastly thing is an aberration and not at all representative of the men and women in our military.

I searched the internet to see if anyone had anything to say about Spinney's commentary. There were only a few sites that mentioned it, but in this one he is predictably blasted by soldiers who viewed his comments as a betrayal.

"I'm surprised at Spinney's outburst," writes one. "I would have thought that as an AF guy, he'd at least understand the emotion of a fighter pilot doing a CAS mission. I've enjoyed Spinney's views on Pentagon finances -- maybe he should stick with his area of expertise."

"Spinney is pathetic!!!" writes another. "I'm a grunt, we get paid to kill and we do a damn good job. America has kept Marines around for that fact, and not because we look incredibly good in our dress blues."

I'm always wary of these stories about American soldiers acting like hateful, mindlessly violent psychopaths in Iraq, though they're not exactly rare -- from Abu Ghraib of course, to a chilling video of a pilot pointlessly wasting a huge crowd of what appear to be civilians in Fallulah ("Oh, dude!" the pilot chuckles, after the explosion appears to kill dozens), to a gang of squids in the Gulf who lined up on an aircraft carrier deck in a formation that cleverly read "Fuck Iraq," to soldiers running over a cab driver's car with a tank because he was suspected of looting a few pieces of wood to stories about the use of napalm in Tallulah, and so on.


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Way to reinforce the Empire, Matt
Posted by: SteveB on Feb 28, 2007 9:14 AM   
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Spreading the false idea that the US empire depends on and benefits from military spending doesn't strike me as the smartest strategy for organizing people against the empire. Plus, it's just not true.

The military-industrial complex draws capital and skilled workers away from more productive enterprises and damages our competitivness. Why do you think we've lost out to Asian economies that have (relatively) negligible defense spending?

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Good start for analysis
Posted by: nopuppy on Feb 28, 2007 10:21 AM   
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Unlike the other commenter, this idea strikes me as worthy of further exploration. Certainly our entire national economy is based on the military-industrial menage: take the bucks away from Boeing, GE, and the others at the Pentagon's teat, and massive disruption would follow. And our national appetite for hideous violence--witness the success of the abominable 24 and its kind--certainly provides a parallel with the populace of the Roman military empire and their taste for the horrors of the Coliseum. Please explore this topic more.

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» Well, then... Posted by: SteveB
» Ah - so we agree... Posted by: SteveB
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About time...
Posted by: tweedster on Feb 28, 2007 1:48 PM   
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Taibbi has a sensible article up here on Alternet that doesn't devolve into the usual name calling crap that seems to be his forte.

I'm giving credit where credit is due here. Good article Matt. This is an issue with a shadow that looms over us all.

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It seems so painfully obvious.........
Posted by: amadeus on Feb 28, 2007 6:57 PM   
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...............but alas, it's so hidden. The country has it's eyes wide shut. We are royally screwed. You're right, Matt. Ending the Iraq war (which is not even a war) won't even come close to ending our sad ways.

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mistake
Posted by: Jbedor on Feb 28, 2007 11:11 PM   
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matt,

I'm a big fan of your work but the marines spelling 'fuck iraq' on the aircraft carrier was exposed as a hoax by snopes a while ago

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/carrier.asp

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» Snopes does not disprove the photo. Posted by: KeepsonTickn
Because we have so little experience of peace...
Posted by: phantastikon on Mar 1, 2007 5:48 AM   
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in our 200-odd year history, even imagining peace is a real stretch both for politicians and for citizens.

As to the comments about the relative size of direct expenditures on military activities: budgets miss the point. In a militaristic culture, the threat of force accomplishes several "trickle down" effects: debt, interest on that debt, distraction from possible solutions to real domestic problems, and the politicization of policy around circular reasoning about "cutting and running." The result is a climate of stagnation of ideas, pointless "debate," and an opening to authoritarianism. Militarism as foreign policy devolves into armed robbery, coercion, protection rackets on a global scale, and the invitation of a tool--the "defense and intelligence" establishment--into the policy making arena. What was supposed to be merely a tool becomes an end in and of itself.

Matt opens up probably the most important question we can ask today: why can't peace be talked about openly, not merely as a temporary status (i.e., as the condition we experience between acts of aggression), but as a desirable and necessary condition for human existence? I'd expand that question somewhat to include the relative absence of any concept of justice from public discourse.

I don't know that the "why" in either case is simple, but two possible answers jump out at me: first, if we used the condition of peace or the test of justice to interrogate our actions, the very "business" of our corporations and our "leaders" would be jeopardized. If, for example, Congress or the Unitary Executive, had to consider doing something other than making war, propping up corporate profits, and attempting to control other counties, what would be left to them to do? They have been so adept at this for so long that they clearly have no other skills. They have no imagination for other tasks. To require politicians and bureaucrats to change focus is to make their job descriptions change so fundamentally that they'd be at a loss as to what to do next. Social welfare? Diplomacy? Wise fiscal management? They're simply not schooled in the work of governing beyond the ad hoc "arts" of organized crime.

Secondly, to talk about peace (and justice) openly would open up that historical can of worms: "What is to be done?" If you take the radical step of entertaining ideas of peace and justice, other forms of social, economic, and political organization fall onto "the table." And, at that point, we get to talk about socialism, a discussion that would never do, would it?

Point me to a fully capitalist society that doesn't see its military as an economic tool, please. Even the EU gets to shore itself up with alliances such as NATO. But citizens of the EU at least have the possibility of social justice (although that window seems to be rapidly closing for many), and I think this is in part true because they've experienced military defeat. Having lived through the misery that total war necessarily brings, they've been forced to "talk about peace" out in the open, even while allowing the US to act as proxy shock troops.

I can't bring myself, yet, to hope for a military disaster to bring even the subject of peace into our consciousness, but I would hope that our "leaders" might consider that they probably won't win them all (abroad) and that they can't continue to lose at home.

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» What's with all the "we's"? Posted by: SteveB
» RE: What's with all the "we's"? Posted by: deltadancer
» AMEN!! Posted by: Timba
Peace is Unamerican
Posted by: Conchobhar on Mar 1, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Matt is right.
During the bombing of Serbia in the '90's it was reported that some in the military were bothered by the over reliance on air power and the moral implications of waging war from a safe distance. When a nation can "project power" (read inflict violence) without paying a heavy price in blood, the military option becomes too inviting. Given the policies of the current administration, and others before it, the rest of the world has ample reason to see the USA as the greatest danger to peace. James Carroll's most recent book, HOUSE OF WAR; The Pentagon and the Disastrous Rise of American Power, covers this question in depth, and should be required reading for every American.

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Who profits?
Posted by: COcowboy on Mar 1, 2007 11:20 AM   
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I would like to see what corporations are still involved in a war economy. Then I would like to see what countries host their production. I think from overlaying these two statistics some painfully evident patterns will emerge. Peace is an anathema to war economies by definition. There is no profit in peace within the war economy. Yet, they do like to have some brief 12 to 18 month respites to build new munitions and not have to endure sudden plant ramp up's and then lay-offs. One last statistic is to lay the pattern of recent "respites" out to see how they connect. Also consider that the shelf life of a smart bomb is also 12 to 18 months. Use it or lose it!

Namaste = "From my highest mind to your highest mind. " When we communicate on this level peace is the only path forward. Help by getting a wider and wider circle of family that embraces communicating at this level. When the circles embrace we will have much a much different planet with many more opportunities for all.

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Soldier-Kult
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 1, 2007 1:31 PM   
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I've always observed and maintained that Amerika is a soldier-cult. Period. That we cannot talk peace in public today is not new. It's only more virulent.

You cannot teach peaceableness to a cult-ure that cannot even imagine what peace actually is. Just as you cannot train a soldier as a soldier and expect him to be a warrior in the modern budo tradition. Unfortunately we were a solider-cult, now we are a soldier-cult-on-crack and that's beyond the point of no return. This is the inevitability of nation-states and why we have to throw out the bullshit of the past that has proven itself incapable of "reform" and repair. We must start all over.

As for speaking peace in public. It's long past time to do it fearlessly and often and shame publicly those for whom doing so is treason. We have a whole cult-ure to deprogram here.

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Welcome back
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 2, 2007 2:47 AM   
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To be honest, some of your recent articles have been long-winded, ranting, and unfocused.

This one gets back to why I started reading your column: edgy, blunt, direct, different...A refreshing break from a lot of the group-thinking, PC stuff.

Peace is indeed a dirty word in this country. No politician will be caught dead using it.

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» RE: Welcome back Posted by: spanky
Video game generation is all about strutting, posturing
Posted by: Moonray on Mar 2, 2007 3:19 AM   
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I have always detested the kind of mindless machoism displayed by that Marine pilot, who probably has never heard a shot fired in anger -- much less seen the carnage his errant bombs have inflicted on innocent civilians.

Of course, this kind of bluster has been around ever since people first went into battle. It's a kind of self-psyching-out designed to ease the constant fear and anxiety of a combat situation. In recent years, though, with the advent of Tom Clancy novels, war video games and other celebrations of violence, this lack of empathy has become routine. These people sound more like spoiled frat boys out on the town than warriors.

It's the hallmark of a military force -- and a nation -- in decline.

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THOMAS MERTON
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 2, 2007 3:34 AM   
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Spinney's comment on the nameless soldier who was so awed and overcome with joy at his ability to kill, reminded me of a poem by Thomas Merton. The poem was a "defence" of concentration camp commandant, Adpolf Eichmann:

I saw every Jew burned
and turned into soap
Do you people think yourselves better
because you burned your enemies
at long distances
without ever seeing what you'd done to them

*************

We all should be reading Merton.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Talking Peace is OK but ....
Posted by: Windwhistler on Mar 2, 2007 3:52 AM   
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Oh you can talk about peace OK with Amerikans but just try talking about closing down a local military base. Wow! The citizenry are suddenly on a warpath. This has been demonstrated over and over. Hey, war is coursing through our blood folks! And it is a really well kept secret.

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Business Interests Pervert Rational and Humane Behavior
Posted by: igoeja on Mar 2, 2007 4:38 AM   
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No one can really doubt that the self-interest of the oil (they make outsize profits from oil-flow disruption) and military (Haliburton is only one example of a company that makes money from perpetual war) industries are partly driving the irrationality of war. That, and the fact that the current politicians-in-power have specific interests in those industries.

Also, the war resources are disproportionately directed to middle America, and the heartland, which many of us "lefties" imagine is the roost of evil in this country (Republicans, religiosity, gun nuts, low-levels of intelligence and academics), supports the corporate welfare and wealth transfer that is the Iraq war.

Imagine the billions redirected toward health, medicine, technology, and social services. The quality of life of Americans is sacrificed to fund war, and to enhance the wealth of Republicans in power. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been murdered to support the American economy and make special interests rich.

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una voce
Posted by: m/r on Mar 2, 2007 4:44 AM   
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Kucinich for Pres

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» second that... Posted by: igoeja
» RE: una voce Posted by: deltadancer
How can I end the war?
Posted by: Benjamin Dover on Mar 2, 2007 4:53 AM   
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I am writing to you for help. It appears that democracy has utterly failed in the U.S. The majority of Americans are against the Iraq war and want our troops brought home , yet even after the virtual referendum on the war (2006 election) that radically changed the makeup of congress , our ‘representatives’ are unable to pass even a wimpy non-binding statement against the war.

It is now quite clear that the reasons for the war were completely false :
i. Revenge for 9/11: None of the hijackers were from Iraq and there is no credible evidence that Saddam had anything to do with it although corporate media misinformation confuses many.
ii. To Protect the U.S. from Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD): There is no evidence of Saddam’s missing WMDs. Ironically the U.S. has the most weapons of mass destruction including --- 9,962 nuclear warheads (enough to destroy humanity several times over via nuclear winter ), and vast stockpiles of internationally illegal chemical/biological weapons. This does not even include weapons such as those currently contaminating Iraq with toxic and radioactive “depleted uranium”.
iii. Toppling Saddam to bring Iraq democracy. Historically the U.S. has supported Saddam when he served our purposes. The current Iraq regime is considered a puppet in the Middle East. Ironically we barely function as a democracy as corruption breads apathy. We are paying the price for corruption via no bid contracts to the likes of Cheney’s company, Halliburton.

The truth is America has become a corrupt empire through the ‘military-industrial complex’ . We account for ~1/2 of world military expenditures. The Pentagon owns or rents 702 overseas bases in about 130 countries and has another 6,000 bases in the U.S. and its territories. We spend $200 million each day in Iraq, $ 404 billion to date , and a trillion dollars is estimated to finish it. We do not have this money – we put our children in debt to fund this war.

Iraq has an enormous stockpile of oil – oil that the entire global economy is dependent on . The war really is all about oil and our control of it . The troops suffer the consequences of our oil addiction : 3,161 Americans have been killed and a staggering 23,417 Americans have been wounded in Iraq. Although more Americans have died in Iraq for fake retribution for 9/11 than in 9/11 itself , this toll on human life pales in comparison for the death toll among Iraq’s civilians: 655,000

Life in Iraq now is simply dismal– violent, insecure, and worse than under Saddam . Iraq is occupied by a foreign military that continues to commit atrocities, war crimes, and torture. Not surprisingly, the Iraqi people hate us. In fact, partaking in this illegal war of aggression has turned the international community against us . Most alarmingly, it has actively forced people to become terrorists. Terrorism has expanded 700% since the invasion of Iraq . Terrorism is simply a method of warfare or a tactic – you can not win a ‘war against a method’.

Continuing the Iraq war is clearly insanity. Please ask yourself “How can I stop the Iraq war?” and then – do it!

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» Here's an idea... Posted by: SteveB
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What does Peace look like?
Posted by: daccame on Mar 2, 2007 5:35 AM   
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I've always maintained that if the US spent as much on Peace and Justice as it does on Defense, we might not need a Military.

Read the following news release to see how peaceful solutions work:

Tehran Delegation Returns Stressing Talks Between the U.S., Iran

by Katherine Boyle
Religion News Service 2-26-2007
WASHINGTON (RNS) A delegation of 13 U.S. Christian leaders who recently traveled to Iran to help defuse tensions over Tehran's nuclear ambitions will meet with members of Congress next week to discuss their trip.

"Our governments have not spoken for 30 years," said the Rev. Jeff Carr, of Sojourners/Call to Renewal. "We think that beginning dialogue and paving the way for mutual respect and peaceful relations is really something that needs to happen, and religious leaders could play a significant role in that."

During the Feb. 17-25 trip, the group met with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, members of parliament and local religious leaders.

The trip was organized by the Mennonite Central Committee and the American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker group. Others participating include Sojourners/Call to Renewal; the Episcopal, Catholic and United Methodist churches; the National Council of Churches and Pax Christi USA.

In the meeting with Ahmadinejad, the delegation spoke about topics including the role of religion in easing conflict, the Iraq war, nuclear proliferation and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

During the 2 1/2-hour discussion, the president told the group that Iran has no intention to acquire or use nuclear weapons, according to the delegation's statement. He also advocated solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through political rather than military means.

Carr said members of Congress from both sides of the aisle encouraged the religious leaders to make the trip. "I think they understand the tensions between (Iran and the U.S.) need to somehow be resolved peacefully, that war is not the answer," Carr added.

Jim Winkler, general secretary of the United Methodists' Board of Church and Society, said the group will stress the need for dialogue with Iran when they meet with members of Congress, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and top leaders of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"There have to be talks," Winkler said. "The president's statement that he will not speak to somebody that doesn't meet his standard of behavior is just not a realistic or appropriate way to deal with the situation."

"I think there's no one better to extend the olive branch of peace than the followers of Jesus Christ," he added, "so I felt like I was really carrying out my responsibility as a disciple of Jesus when I traveled to Iran."

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Good Article- But The Pus Is Coming Out!
Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 2, 2007 6:18 AM   
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I agree with premise of article but I believe we are hitting bottom- a sign of better days ahead.

The pus is coming out due in part to our still free press and our economic amd moral inability to sustain the insanity of the last 6 years in particular

When they shut down AlterNet and other progressive blogs is the day we really ought to start packing.

Be Well,

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa

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War is the health of The State
Posted by: JMorse on Mar 2, 2007 6:32 AM   
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“…There is, of course, in the feeling toward the State a large element of pure filial mysticism. The sense of insecurity, the desire for protection, sends one's desire back to the father and mother, with whom is associated the earliest feelings of protection…

… A people at war have become in the most literal sense obedient, respectful, trustful children again, full of that naïve faith in the all-wisdom and all-power of the adult who takes care of them, imposes mild but necessary rules upon them and in whom they lose their responsibility and anxieties.

…On most people the strain of being an independent adult weighs heavily, and upon none more than those members of the significant classes who have had bequeathed to them or have assumed the responsibilities of governing. The State provides the symbols under which these classes can retain all the actual pragmatic satisfaction of governing, but can rid themselves of the psychic burden of adulthood. They continue to direct industry and government and all the institutions of society pretty much as before, but in their own conscious eyes and in the eyes of the general public, they are turned from their selfish and predatory ways, and have become loyal servants of society, or something greater than they — the State.

…The State in wartime supplies satisfaction for this very real craving, but its chief value is the opportunity it gives for this regression to infantile attitudes. In your reaction to an imagined attack on your country or an insult to its government, you draw closer to the herd for protection, you conform in word and deed, and you insist vehemently that everybody else shall think, speak, and act together. And you fix your adoring gaze upon the State, with a truly filial look, as upon the Father of the flock, the quasi-personal symbol of the strength of the herd, and the leader and determinant of your definite action and ideas.

…In this great herd machinery, dissent is like sand in the bearings. The State ideal is primarily a sort of blind animal push toward military unity. Any difference with that unity turns the whole vast impulse toward crushing it. Dissent is speedily outlawed, and the Government, backed by the significant classes and those who in every locality, however small, identify themselves with them, proceeds against the outlaws, regardless of their value to the other institutions of the nation, or to the effect their persecution may have on public opinion. The herd becomes divided into the hunters and the hunted, and war enterprise becomes not only a technical game but a sport as well.”

Excerpted from: War Is The Health of The State, Randolph Bourne

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» What the hell do you want? Posted by: SteveB
THE FACTS
Posted by: wawa on Mar 2, 2007 6:53 AM   
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On THAT DAY we call 9/11 3,000 innocent people died and Bush responded with his 'war on terror' which has effectively TERRORIZED the world



As of Jan 1, 2007, John Hopkins School of Public Health has reported:

3,000 American service-woman/men have died

22,000 are permanently maimed

654,000 Iraqi civilians are dead.


Refugees International reports that:

An estimated 1.9 million Iraqis have fled their homeland and the USA has taken in only a few of them and calls their flight: "The fastest growing humanitarian crisis in the world."




UN health care workers states the war in Iraq has created "a lost generation of traumatized children."

UNICEF officials estimate 840,000 children in Gaza bear the consequences of Israeli shelling and other attacks and suffer PTSS, severe malnutrition and other diseases.

Saddam was hung;

"One may oppose capital punishment as retaliatory brutality but still wonder if the Bush administration and its Israeli allies will also be held accountable for their crimes."-page 9, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 2007.

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Transcript of Bill Moyers interviewing Chuck Spinney
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 2, 2007 7:04 AM   
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http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/spinney.html

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Way behind the times.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 2, 2007 8:08 AM   
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Fifty years ago the Military/Industrial complex that DDE warned us about was a group of congressmen who worked to perpetuate war industries, military installations and war related research in their districts and states to maintain decent paying jobs. This complex was nowhere near the threat of today's corporatocracy which includes Pharmaceuticals, Banking, Insurance, War, and other industries which support both political parties and are aligned against the interests of the people. We can safely morph the old saying, "What's good for General Motors, is good for the country" into "What's good for the corporate establishment is bad for the people". From lax oversight of environmental laws, to a bad seniors' prescription drug bill that's the truth.

The government of "We the people" is controlled by "they the corporate establishment".
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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From gangs to uniforms...
Posted by: jdub on Mar 2, 2007 8:46 AM   
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You get an all volunteer military and you get a lot of thugs in it. It should surprise no one, for killing in Iraq is just a step away from gang warfare in America's cities. We citizens should have never accepted the idea of a "professional" all-volunteer military. It's become the tool of second-rate American politicians who are way too prone to endorse military conflict. And, now that we've got it, truth-be-told, most citizens would rather have it this way and wash their hands of any necessity for blood. It's pathetic.

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» RE: From gangs to uniforms... Posted by: liberalibrarian
War ON Iraq?
Posted by: Sushi on Mar 2, 2007 10:23 AM   
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When did the war IN Iraq morph into the "War ON Iraq"?
I thought we were there "freeing" them...of their oil.

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jareilly
Posted by: jareilly on Mar 2, 2007 10:37 AM   
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Your Marine flyer, much to his apparent regret, will be back among us soon, his war over, his opportunity to do murder gone. We spent a tidy portion of our tax dollars training him to be a psychopathic killer and soon he will walk among us, with access to weapons as easy as access to chewing gum. Even if he tries to obtain help for his PTSD (unlikely given his gleeful accommodation of his deep pathology), he'll probably end up enjoying the tender mercies of the pysch unit at Walter Reed, again at our expense.

No doubt when he cracks and mows down some bystanders at a shopping mall, somebody will find a way to blame it on the "liberals"...

Anybody still wondering "why they hate us"?

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While We Are Focused On Iraq
Posted by: mite on Mar 2, 2007 10:39 AM   
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Foreign Corporations-governments are sucking up these united States, Constitution and bill of rights and creating a North American Union. www.americapolicy.org

Our countries Canada, Mexico, and U.S. will have the borders erased and a new ruling body will enslave the people. It is designed by the International Bankers and Corporations and signed into agreement on March, 2005 by Pres. Bush, Pres. Fox and Prime minister Martin.

Keep the focus on the Iraq people and when you wake up America will be 'No More.'

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We the people of this U.S. have been and are being lied to for over 93 years. Our money is not real and there is no law that requires citizens within the 50 states of the U.S. to pay taxes on our Income or Labor.

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