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Black America After Jim Crow: Still Feels Like Segregation
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When March comes around, schools, television networks and corporations can let out a sigh of relief that they don't have to deal with Black folks until next year. One has to wonder, since Black people -- like Latinos and Asians -- only warrant one month of recognition, how does race continue to influence the types of politicians that American voters select?
The country is currently abuzz about the presidential candidacy of Senator Barack Obama. Obama is not the first Black American to run for president, but he is the first one born after the Supreme Court's historic ruling in Brown v. Board of Education (1954) that struck down the legal doctrine of "separate but equal." The 45-year-old Obama, like 36-year-old Washington, D.C. mayor Adrian Fenty and 37-year-old Newark, New Jersey mayor Cory Booker represent the first generation of Black Americans leaders born after the end of segregation.
This is relevant because, unlike their elders, their world view has not been entirely shaped by racial barriers. It makes headlines to categorize the ascension of these young politicians as a seismic shift in Black leadership, when, in fact, the new turks are merely emblematic of a natural evolution -- the realization of the hopes of the civil rights movement.
Civil rights activists knew that the ability of young Black Americans to excel in our society was not based solely on their intellect or personal drive but also on a range of opportunities being opened up to them. In practical terms this meant that young Black Americans needed to have the chance to live in safe, culturally rich communities and have access to the type of education and employment that had been reserved for White Americans.
The emergence of a coterie of young Black leaders such as Obama, Fenty, and Booker does not connote the obsolescence of the civil rights initiatives. However, they are forcing all Americans to contemplate the next chapter in our collective history.
Black Americans have to ask themselves what does it mean to be "Black" in a multi-racial society outside the context of slavery or Jim Crow? Do middle- and upper-income Black Americans really have the same political and economic interests as low-income Blacks? And all Americans have to ask, how does the public discourse on Blackness in the United States need to change to include African and Caribbean immigrants?
In recent days, various Black commentators have been stepping all over each other to proclaim that Obama is not "Black." Obama is the son of a White mother from Kansas and a Black father from Kenya, so the canard is that he does not share their cultural background.
Historically, because of the "one-drop" rule, significant numbers of bi-racial children have identified themselves as Black. Ironically, the fact that Washington, D.C. mayor Adrian Fenty's mother is White has not made a ripple -- maybe because his father is a native Black American.
Despite the narrow perspectives, "Black America" has always been ethnically diverse. Caribbeans have been part of the Black American dialogue for many decades. American Blacks and Caribbean immigrants usually live near each other and frequently intermarry. Rep. Shirley Chisholm (D-NY), the first Black woman to run for President, was an immigrant from Jamaica, West Indies. The presence of Ethiopian restaurants on the U Street corridor in Washington, D.C. and the increasing number of African-owned businesses opening in traditionally Black American communities across the nation attest to the growing influence of African immigrants.
What has not occurred are frank and candid conversations between native Black Americans and immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean that aim to update the public face of "Black America." These dialogues would first need to acknowledge the unique cultures and histories of the various groups, while forging relationships based on our shared interests and challenges in this country as people of African descent.
Despite the controversies that surround it, Hip Hop culture exemplifies the actual melding of Black ethnicities. Many Hip Hop luminaries, including two of its founding fathers, DJ Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash are of Caribbean descent. Moreover, popular rap artist, Akon, who has worked with artists as such as Grammy winner Chamillionaire and Snoop Dogg, was born in Dakar, Senegal.
But Obama's heritage only partially explains the lukewarm reception he has gotten from some Black Americans. Generally, there are Black Americans who see this new cohort of Black politicians, which includes Obama, as middle-class success stories who have little real connection to poor and working class Blacks. Previous Black leaders worked in local communities to establish organizations or build multi-racial coalitions to address critical social and economic issues. In the main, the new Black leaders have had only brief stints working at the grassroots level before running for office.
As a result, the younger Black leaders have been accused of being political careerists with no firm ideological grounding. One Black commentator said Obama was "sacrificing principles for shared values." While many young professional Black Americans may believe that it is no longer necessary for Black leaders to begin as grassroots activists, older and poorer Blacks tend to disagree. These people contend that middle-class Blacks, especially those raised in affluent suburbs, know very little about the lives of disadvantaged Blacks. It is this group that factors into the 24.9 percent poverty rate for Black Americans and the nearly 50 percent high school drop-out rate for young Black Americans.
According to the skeptics, unless young, middle class Black leaders are willing to immerse themselves in low-income communities, they are no better equipped than their White counterparts to represent these citizens. In the case of Obama, many Black Americans just do not believe that he is willing to alienate his moneyed, White supporters to champion their cause. The bottom line is that these folks are not sure that Obama's "audacity of hope" would net them anymore in the way of jobs, quality public education or affordable housing and health insurance than they got with "compassionate conservativism."
Obama's candidacy also pushes White Americans' to re-evaluate their concepts about Black Americans. In short, what does this new generation of Black leadership mean for them? Specifically, under what set of conditions would they view a Black political aspirant as being capable of governing them? And is that the same criteria that they would apply to White office-seekers?
As with Obama, there is a preponderance of Ivy League degrees and unusual backgrounds among this group of young Black politicians. Does this mean that Black candidates have to be extraordinary to overcome the historical taint of inferiority? How will public policy and private assumptions about race shift as "Blackness" morphs from the fictional monolith comprised of Southern Blacks to an actual multifaceted grouping that represents various Black ethnicities, several socio-economic levels and regional distinctions?
Frankly, I am undecided about Barack Obama. I could care less about his parentage and I do not think that having a law degree from Harvard and being down for the people are mutually exclusive. However, given the complex issues facing our country at home and abroad, I doubt that someone who has served barely two years in the United States Senate and who has no foreign policy experience is our best bet for President.
What I do know is that Obama and his peers are striving to be American leaders and not just Black American leaders. This is similar to not wanting Black Americans to be ghettoized within Black History month. Some Black leaders will continue to exclusively address the interest and concerns of Black citizens, which is their right and maybe even their calling. The dream of the civil rights movement was that Black Americans could choose their own paths, rather than have them dictated by their race. It is inevitable that, like all politicians, some of these younger Black leaders will be stellar, some will be abysmal, but most will just be average.
However, when the majority of American voters can honestly judge Black American leaders by their records and not by their race, Black History month will probably already be a thing of the past.
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The voters are a board of directors hiring a major CEO. Aside from Romney, who hasn't met a controversial position he doesn't want to flip on, most of the leading candidates have run anything bigger than an office staff w/ a couple of exceptions.
Bill Richardson:former NM Governor and Cabinet officer. Kucinich "ran" Cleveland, or at least tried to as the power company fought him all the way; Giuliani "ran" NY, but all 9/11 showed was how dysfuntional his administration was in an emergency. A tough campaign may well uncover how corrupt the Giuliani administration was as well. And is Hilary really going to show us how she helped "run" the administratively- challenged Clinton administration?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 27, 2007 3:59 AM
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BHM seems very patronizing. Lots of cheesy stuff on PBS...Plus, every minority group will want a month. What happens when we run out of months?
Not a bad article. A good basis for a long discussion that will go round in circles.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 27, 2007 7:25 AM
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Answer? Don't! Celebrate who you are everyday! A "special month" doesn't matter one iota--we are all exceptional, all the time.
Just look at those opposable thumbs!
Those steroscopic eyes!
That big, beautiful brain, capable of compassion, capable of empathy, capable of self-awareness!
Look at those marvelous things...and don't look so much toward a silly thing like skin pigmentation.
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As a child of the sixties and former black panther and former member of the NOI--I'm confused. I thought the struggle was all about opening up opportunities to education and wealth. (In the words of Br. James: "I don't want nobody to give me nothing...open up the door and I'll get it myself"). Do we really want to continue to perpetuate the stereotype that being black means being uneducated and poor???
And, why is the Black community holding Obama to standards to which we never held present or past administrations? We have got to stop thinking we have to own Obama to support his candidacy. The real issue for Obama is--as it should be for Hillary, Edwards, Bidden, etc.--Where do you stand on issues of social and economic justice for all Americans? Where are you on foreign policy issues... education... jobs... health care... the economy? Implicit in these questions is: "Where do you stand on the issues that confront Black America?" An issue on which Obama's history exonerates him. (Read his first book--"Dreams of My Father"--his "real" book in which we get an "unpolished" snap shot of his soul and the experiences that shaped him.) Obama chose to work in the African American community and was in no way divorced from the feelings and desires of the people he worked with and for--quite the opposite--he was passionately involved and dedicated. On another note--look at his record in Illinois--is there anything that says he will not take the interests of all citizens into account?
I think what we, as Black Americans--as American in general--can be most proud of and hopeful about is that Obama is a universal man. His background and experiences give him the ability to understand the needs of and empathize with all Americans; and also enable him to communicate with the world community to build and rebuild friendships and alliances for the American people. It is time for healing on so many levels, and Obama is the man for this time. We deserve a president that represents all of America. This is what we fought for, and this is what we've earned.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Feb 27, 2007 10:53 AM
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Where did she run for president? I thought you had to be born in the US to be president here.
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Posted by: pure_genius on Feb 27, 2007 12:18 PM
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The great equalizer in a viciously capitalistic nation like America is not education or skin color. It is simply money.
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We live in a country where Americans of African descent have served as Senators, Representatives, State Senators, State Representatives, Governors, Mayors, Sheriffs, City Managers, Secretaries of State and other executive agencies, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Supreme Court Justices, CEOs of some of our largest corporations, Professional Sports Owners & Coaches, University Presidents and on and on and on. The fact that there is a division between members of our nation's Black community is now defined more as an issue of poverty than one of color.
The primary determinant in our nation and society these days is color, but not race. The color that is the dividing line is GREEN. Regardless of racial or ethnic background, family wealth is more of a determinant of success in the US than ANY OTHER FACTOR by far. A close second is networking or it's older name- the good old boy network. Knowing the right people and getting the right introductions goes a long way at critical points of educational access, internships, entry level jobs in the best firms, etc.
Just because a person is disadvantaged AND of color does not necessarily mean that race or ethnicity is the primary culprit. Many times it is just as common in a similar sized sample of people of similar economic and educational background and opportunity. What I am saying is that race might be the main factor, but is sometimes confused despite evidence to the contrary. The best antidote to the legacy of racism and Jim Crow is a universally accessible quality education, healthcare and housing. Then the primary limit is the ambition and talents of the individual person- not someone else's prejudice or generosity.
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Integration represents a form of confusion shared by most blacks because they don't identify with themselves but rather with other people especially whites. Asians, Whites ( English or Latinos), Middle Easterners, and Indians all have their own communities and believe me when I say they want to keep it that way and have no desire to integrate with blacks on any level. Just because these people may show their teeth and smile at you don't mean that their prospective group wants integrate with you. Other groups like Koreans and Arabs own businesses in black neighborhoods but you best believe they don't want to live among you. These people will take your money and that's it. Even Latinos with all the problem they have don't want to integrate with blacks. In some cases these people will shoot blacks to get them to leave their so-called neighborhoods ( just ask those who live in Harbor City in Los Angeles and elsewhere).
On Obama
The Civil Rights movement is a myth at best and just because they may consider a black man ( Mix black man) to be President, this is just a smoke screen. No white man will ever allow a black man to rule his land wither he be jet black or light skin, you can forget it. This hype is just to get blacks excited for nothing but on the other hand even if Obama somehow becomes President, his allegiance is to his master and his not people. If white America allows a black man to become President, it is because they know this country is about to sink. The white man is like the captain of a ship who knows that it is filled with with holes and is about to sink. He will allow you to be the captain of that ship because he knows you will die to save it rather than get a boat of your own to captain.
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Posted by: cinattra on Feb 28, 2007 4:36 PM
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Not all of us had descendants that wore chains. Are we going to start house negro vs field negro and north negro vs south negro?
All this crap is just ridiculous. We segregate ourselves.
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Posted by: FBUSH on Feb 28, 2007 7:40 PM
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America is in a bad situation. The borders lack security. The war in Iraq has drained us. We have no credibility in the world. And the economy is shakey. Yet here we are nearing our own NATIONAL election with the opportunity to elect an effective leader for our country- yet were bickering about race.
Since by black standards I have no right to identify as black ( except for the census so the NAACP can recieve gov. funding) I must point out that blacks are behaving childish and falling into the stereotypes which plague them. Enough with Obama's race. Let's hear his ideas. Is that Reasonable?
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Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 1, 2007 9:14 PM
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You mean some white Americans, don't you? Or are we all the same?
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Integration represents a form of confusion shared by most blacks because they don't identify with themselves but rather with other people especially whites. Asians, Whites ( English or Latinos), Middle Easterners, and Indians all have their own communities and believe me when I say they want to keep it that way and have no desire to integrate with blacks on any level Just because these people may show their teeth and smile at you don't mean that their prospective group wants integrate with you. Other groups like Koreans and Arabs own businesses in black neighborhoods but you best believe they don't want to live among you. These people will take your money and that's it. Even Latinos with all the problem they have don't want to integrate with blacks. In some cases these people will shoot blacks to get them to leave their so-called neighborhoods ( just ask those who live in Harbor City in Los Angeles and elsewhere).
Integration represents a form of confusion shared by most blacks because they don't identify with themselves but rather with other people especially whites. Asians, Whites ( English or Latinos), Middle Easterners, and Indians all have their own communities and believe me when I say they want to keep it that way and have no desire to integrate with blacks on any level. Just because these people may show their teeth and smile at you don't mean that their prospective group wants integrate with you. Other groups like Koreans and Arabs own businesses in black neighborhoods but you best believe they don't want to live among you. These people will take your money and that's it. Even Latinos with all the problem they have don't want to integrate with blacks. In some cases these people will shoot blacks to get them to leave their so-called neighborhoods ( just ask those who live in Harbor City in Los Angeles and elsewhere).
Well Guess What Alternet readers:
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And What happened ??
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - The Cherokee Nation voted this weekend* to revoke the citizenship of the descendants of people the Cherokee once owned as slaves was a blow to people who have relied on tribal benefits.
Charlene White, a descendant of freed Cherokee slaves who were adopted into the tribe in 1866 under a treaty with the U.S. government, wondered Sunday where she would now go for the glaucoma treatment she has received at a tribal hospital in Stilwell.
"I've got to go back to the doctor, but I don't know if I can go back to the clinic or if they're going to oust me right now," said White, 56, a disabled Tahlequah resident who lives on a fixed income.
In Saturday's special election, more than 76 percent of voters decided to amend the Cherokee Nation's constitution to remove the estimated 2,800 freedmen descendants from the tribal rolls, according to results posted Sunday on the tribe's Web site.
Marilyn Vann, president of the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, said the election results undoubtedly will be challenged."We will pursue the legal remedies that are available to us to stop people from not only losing their voting rights, but to receiving medical care and other services to which they are entitled under law," Vann said Sunday.
"This is a fight for justice to stop these crimes against humanity." (* VOTE WAS ON 3/3/07)
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Google 2/10/2007 USA TODAY article:
Past and Future Collide in Fight
Over Cherokee Identity For election info
Check the photo of the laid back smug white man Ohhh..sorry..that's Chief Chad!!!.. :o)
Moral of the story...God Bless the Child that's got His Own
(Billie Holiday circa 1946)..and Goddamn in Hell racist hypocrites of any color. (IMHO 2007)
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The voters are a board of directors hiring a major CEO. Aside from Romney, who hasn't met a controversial position he doesn't want to flip on, most of the leading candidates have run anything bigger than an office staff w/ a couple of exceptions.
Bill Richardson:former NM Governor and Cabinet officer. Kucinich "ran" Cleveland, or at least tried to as the power company fought him all the way; Giuliani "ran" NY, but all 9/11 showed was how dysfuntional his administration was in an emergency. A tough campaign may well uncover how corrupt the Giuliani administration was as well. And is Hilary really going to show us how she helped "run" the administratively- challenged Clinton administration?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 27, 2007 3:59 AM
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BHM seems very patronizing. Lots of cheesy stuff on PBS...Plus, every minority group will want a month. What happens when we run out of months?
Not a bad article. A good basis for a long discussion that will go round in circles.
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Answer? Don't! Celebrate who you are everyday! A "special month" doesn't matter one iota--we are all exceptional, all the time.
Just look at those opposable thumbs!
Those steroscopic eyes!
That big, beautiful brain, capable of compassion, capable of empathy, capable of self-awareness!
Look at those marvelous things...and don't look so much toward a silly thing like skin pigmentation.
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» Dagnabbit.
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Posted by: LexMuslimah on Feb 27, 2007 9:32 AM
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As a child of the sixties and former black panther and former member of the NOI--I'm confused. I thought the struggle was all about opening up opportunities to education and wealth. (In the words of Br. James: "I don't want nobody to give me nothing...open up the door and I'll get it myself"). Do we really want to continue to perpetuate the stereotype that being black means being uneducated and poor???
And, why is the Black community holding Obama to standards to which we never held present or past administrations? We have got to stop thinking we have to own Obama to support his candidacy. The real issue for Obama is--as it should be for Hillary, Edwards, Bidden, etc.--Where do you stand on issues of social and economic justice for all Americans? Where are you on foreign policy issues... education... jobs... health care... the economy? Implicit in these questions is: "Where do you stand on the issues that confront Black America?" An issue on which Obama's history exonerates him. (Read his first book--"Dreams of My Father"--his "real" book in which we get an "unpolished" snap shot of his soul and the experiences that shaped him.) Obama chose to work in the African American community and was in no way divorced from the feelings and desires of the people he worked with and for--quite the opposite--he was passionately involved and dedicated. On another note--look at his record in Illinois--is there anything that says he will not take the interests of all citizens into account?
I think what we, as Black Americans--as American in general--can be most proud of and hopeful about is that Obama is a universal man. His background and experiences give him the ability to understand the needs of and empathize with all Americans; and also enable him to communicate with the world community to build and rebuild friendships and alliances for the American people. It is time for healing on so many levels, and Obama is the man for this time. We deserve a president that represents all of America. This is what we fought for, and this is what we've earned.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Feb 27, 2007 10:53 AM
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Where did she run for president? I thought you had to be born in the US to be president here.
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Posted by: efficacy on Feb 27, 2007 11:05 AM
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Posted by: pure_genius on Feb 27, 2007 12:18 PM
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The great equalizer in a viciously capitalistic nation like America is not education or skin color. It is simply money.
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Posted by: lbrantley on Feb 27, 2007 12:31 PM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 27, 2007 4:30 PM
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We live in a country where Americans of African descent have served as Senators, Representatives, State Senators, State Representatives, Governors, Mayors, Sheriffs, City Managers, Secretaries of State and other executive agencies, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Supreme Court Justices, CEOs of some of our largest corporations, Professional Sports Owners & Coaches, University Presidents and on and on and on. The fact that there is a division between members of our nation's Black community is now defined more as an issue of poverty than one of color.
The primary determinant in our nation and society these days is color, but not race. The color that is the dividing line is GREEN. Regardless of racial or ethnic background, family wealth is more of a determinant of success in the US than ANY OTHER FACTOR by far. A close second is networking or it's older name- the good old boy network. Knowing the right people and getting the right introductions goes a long way at critical points of educational access, internships, entry level jobs in the best firms, etc.
Just because a person is disadvantaged AND of color does not necessarily mean that race or ethnicity is the primary culprit. Many times it is just as common in a similar sized sample of people of similar economic and educational background and opportunity. What I am saying is that race might be the main factor, but is sometimes confused despite evidence to the contrary. The best antidote to the legacy of racism and Jim Crow is a universally accessible quality education, healthcare and housing. Then the primary limit is the ambition and talents of the individual person- not someone else's prejudice or generosity.
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Posted by: Lesha on Feb 28, 2007 9:24 AM
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Integration represents a form of confusion shared by most blacks because they don't identify with themselves but rather with other people especially whites. Asians, Whites ( English or Latinos), Middle Easterners, and Indians all have their own communities and believe me when I say they want to keep it that way and have no desire to integrate with blacks on any level. Just because these people may show their teeth and smile at you don't mean that their prospective group wants integrate with you. Other groups like Koreans and Arabs own businesses in black neighborhoods but you best believe they don't want to live among you. These people will take your money and that's it. Even Latinos with all the problem they have don't want to integrate with blacks. In some cases these people will shoot blacks to get them to leave their so-called neighborhoods ( just ask those who live in Harbor City in Los Angeles and elsewhere).
On Obama
The Civil Rights movement is a myth at best and just because they may consider a black man ( Mix black man) to be President, this is just a smoke screen. No white man will ever allow a black man to rule his land wither he be jet black or light skin, you can forget it. This hype is just to get blacks excited for nothing but on the other hand even if Obama somehow becomes President, his allegiance is to his master and his not people. If white America allows a black man to become President, it is because they know this country is about to sink. The white man is like the captain of a ship who knows that it is filled with with holes and is about to sink. He will allow you to be the captain of that ship because he knows you will die to save it rather than get a boat of your own to captain.
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Posted by: FightTheGiant on Feb 28, 2007 10:41 AM
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Posted by: cinattra on Feb 28, 2007 4:36 PM
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Not all of us had descendants that wore chains. Are we going to start house negro vs field negro and north negro vs south negro?
All this crap is just ridiculous. We segregate ourselves.
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Posted by: FBUSH on Feb 28, 2007 7:40 PM
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America is in a bad situation. The borders lack security. The war in Iraq has drained us. We have no credibility in the world. And the economy is shakey. Yet here we are nearing our own NATIONAL election with the opportunity to elect an effective leader for our country- yet were bickering about race.
Since by black standards I have no right to identify as black ( except for the census so the NAACP can recieve gov. funding) I must point out that blacks are behaving childish and falling into the stereotypes which plague them. Enough with Obama's race. Let's hear his ideas. Is that Reasonable?
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Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 1, 2007 9:14 PM
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You mean some white Americans, don't you? Or are we all the same?
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Mar 4, 2007 4:58 PM
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Integration represents a form of confusion shared by most blacks because they don't identify with themselves but rather with other people especially whites. Asians, Whites ( English or Latinos), Middle Easterners, and Indians all have their own communities and believe me when I say they want to keep it that way and have no desire to integrate with blacks on any level Just because these people may show their teeth and smile at you don't mean that their prospective group wants integrate with you. Other groups like Koreans and Arabs own businesses in black neighborhoods but you best believe they don't want to live among you. These people will take your money and that's it. Even Latinos with all the problem they have don't want to integrate with blacks. In some cases these people will shoot blacks to get them to leave their so-called neighborhoods ( just ask those who live in Harbor City in Los Angeles and elsewhere).
Integration represents a form of confusion shared by most blacks because they don't identify with themselves but rather with other people especially whites. Asians, Whites ( English or Latinos), Middle Easterners, and Indians all have their own communities and believe me when I say they want to keep it that way and have no desire to integrate with blacks on any level. Just because these people may show their teeth and smile at you don't mean that their prospective group wants integrate with you. Other groups like Koreans and Arabs own businesses in black neighborhoods but you best believe they don't want to live among you. These people will take your money and that's it. Even Latinos with all the problem they have don't want to integrate with blacks. In some cases these people will shoot blacks to get them to leave their so-called neighborhoods ( just ask those who live in Harbor City in Los Angeles and elsewhere).
Well Guess What Alternet readers:
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And What happened ??
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - The Cherokee Nation voted this weekend* to revoke the citizenship of the descendants of people the Cherokee once owned as slaves was a blow to people who have relied on tribal benefits.
Charlene White, a descendant of freed Cherokee slaves who were adopted into the tribe in 1866 under a treaty with the U.S. government, wondered Sunday where she would now go for the glaucoma treatment she has received at a tribal hospital in Stilwell.
"I've got to go back to the doctor, but I don't know if I can go back to the clinic or if they're going to oust me right now," said White, 56, a disabled Tahlequah resident who lives on a fixed income.
In Saturday's special election, more than 76 percent of voters decided to amend the Cherokee Nation's constitution to remove the estimated 2,800 freedmen descendants from the tribal rolls, according to results posted Sunday on the tribe's Web site.
Marilyn Vann, president of the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, said the election results undoubtedly will be challenged."We will pursue the legal remedies that are available to us to stop people from not only losing their voting rights, but to receiving medical care and other services to which they are entitled under law," Vann said Sunday.
"This is a fight for justice to stop these crimes against humanity." (* VOTE WAS ON 3/3/07)
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Google 2/10/2007 USA TODAY article:
Past and Future Collide in Fight
Over Cherokee Identity For election info
Check the photo of the laid back smug white man Ohhh..sorry..that's Chief Chad!!!.. :o)
Moral of the story...God Bless the Child that's got His Own
(Billie Holiday circa 1946)..and Goddamn in Hell racist hypocrites of any color. (IMHO 2007)
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