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It Can Happen Here

By Joe Conason, Thomas Dunne Books. Posted February 23, 2007.


In light of the series of laws passed in Congress and precedents set by the Bush administration, people have good reason to doubt the future of democracy and the rule of law in America.
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The following is excerpted from Joe Conason's new book, "It Can Happen Here" (Thomas Dunne Books, 2007).

Can it happen here? Is it happening here already? That depends, as a recent president might have said, on what the meaning of "it" is.

To Sinclair Lewis, who sardonically titled his 1935 dystopian novel "It Can't Happen Here," "it" plainly meant an American version of the totalitarian dictatorships that had seized power in Germany and Italy. Married at the time to the pioneering reporter Dorothy Thompson, who had been expelled from Berlin by the Nazis a year earlier and quickly became one of America's most outspoken critics of fascism, Lewis was acutely aware of the domestic and foreign threats to American freedom. So often did he and Thompson discuss the crisis in Europe and the implications of Europe's fate for the Depression-wracked United States that, according to his biographer, Mark Schorer, Lewis referred to the entire topic somewhat contemptuously as "it."

If "it" denotes the police state American-style as imagined and satirized by Lewis, complete with concentration camps, martial law, and mass executions of strikers and other dissidents, then "it" hasn't happened here and isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

For contemporary Americans, however, "it" could signify our own more gradual and insidious turn toward authoritarian rule. That is why Lewis's darkly funny but grim fable of an authoritarian coup achieved through a democratic election still resonates today -- along with all the eerie parallels between what he imagined then and what we live with now.

For the first time since the resignation of Richard M. Nixon more than three decades ago, Americans have had reason to doubt the future of democracy and the rule of law in our own country. Today we live in a state of tension between the enjoyment of traditional freedoms, including the protections afforded to speech and person by the Bill of Rights, and the disturbing realization that those freedoms have been undermined and may be abrogated at any moment.

Such foreboding, which would have been dismissed as paranoia not so long ago, has been intensified by the unfolding crisis of political legitimacy in the capital. George W. Bush has repeatedly asserted and exercised authority that he does not possess under the Constitution he swore to uphold. He has announced that he intends to continue exercising power according to his claim of a mandate that erases the separation and balancing of power among the branches of government, frees him from any real obligation to obey laws passed by Congress, and permits him to ignore any provisions of the Bill of Rights that may prove inconvenient.

Whether his fellow Americans understand exactly what Bush is doing or not, his six years in office have created intense public anxiety. Much of that anxiety can be attributed to fear of terrorism, which Bush has exacerbated to suit his own purposes -- as well as to increasing concern that the world is threatened by global warming, pandemic diseases, economic insecurity, nuclear proliferation, and other perils with which this presidency cannot begin to cope.

As the midterm election showed, more and more Americans realize that something has gone far wrong at the highest levels of government and politics -- that Washington's one-party regime had created a daily spectacle of stunning incompetence and dishonesty. Pollsters have found large majorities of voters worrying that the country is on the wrong track. At this writing, two of every three voters give that answer, and they are not just anxious but furious. Almost half are willing to endorse the censure of the president.

Suspicion and alienation extend beyond the usual disgruntled Democrats to independents and even a significant minority of Republicans. A surprisingly large segment of the electorate is willing to contemplate the possibility of impeaching the president, unappetizing though that prospect should be to anyone who can recall the destructive impeachment of Bush's predecessor.


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Joe Conason is a columnist for the New York Observer and Salon and author of It Can Happen Here (Thomas Dunne Books, 2007).

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Who Knows What "It" Is In The First Place?
Posted by: edith on Feb 23, 2007 1:01 AM   
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If "it" happens, in part the result will occur because of the widespread ignorance of the public of what rights it possesses, what limits normally apply to government, and what the separation of powers means.

High school and college students generally are woefully ignorant of the basic structure of the government, and of the system of checks and balances. The equality of the different branches of government is an idea that brings blank stares to the countenances of our typical beer-doused hopes of tomorrow.

That is one reason why our ignorance-doused Dim Duke of Crawford may proceed without caution to destroy our rights.

As long as the public demands Big Government to solove problems that individuals and local government should solve, and as long as the public tolerates the pathetic teachng of civics in our schools, the passive acceptance of authoritarianism in America will continue. It will take just one more terrorist attack, real or staged (e.g., Oklahoma City), to accelerated the pace of constriction of fundemental liberties.

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» "Education" by the Corpos Posted by: socialpsych
» Draft, yes! Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: Draft, yes! Posted by: willymack
» RE: Draft, yes! Posted by: JessB
» RE: Draft, yes! Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: Draft, yes! Posted by: aerdrie
» RE: Draft, yes! Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» RE: Draft, yes! Posted by: helenwheels
» THE HELL THEY DIDN'T Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: THE HELL THEY DIDN'T Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: THE HELL THEY DIDN'T Posted by: Gma1
"America is not yet on the verge of fascism"
Posted by: WhatNow? on Feb 23, 2007 3:43 AM   
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What is that supposed to mean? From the context the author insinuates that we have not got there yet, but I think we're already there.

War on terror, war on drugs, extremely high military expenditures, asset forfeiture laws, patriot act, highest per capita prison population, Ruby Ridge(executing a person's family members for somewhat minor law violation), and readily accepted surveillance. Yet were not even on the verge of fascism? Hell no, were not. Were there!

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» RE: MORE PROOF Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: MORE PROOF Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: MORE PROOF Posted by: allUneedislove
» RE: Norwegian citizenship Posted by: albrechtkrausse
When we will know for certain...
Posted by: motamanx on Feb 23, 2007 3:58 AM   
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...whether Conason and the commentors are right is when, in 2008, Bush/Cheney will refuse to step down "for the good of the country." This, I believe, will indeed happen; and the Congress ought to step in pre-emptively and impeach them both before it does.

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» RE: When we will know for certain... Posted by: bansidh@citlink.net
YOU BET IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!
Posted by: wawa on Feb 23, 2007 4:24 AM   
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And what happens in Israel is directly connected to USA:

Annually, for the last twenty years Mordechai Vanunu has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

This year, Vanunu has been nominated by Bishop Desmond Tutu, who received the Nobel Prize in 1984, for his courageous and fearless opposition against the South African apartheid system.

During this reporter's March 2006 interview with Mordechai Vanunu, he stated, "This administration tells me I am not allowed to speak to foreigners, the Media, and the world. But I do because that is how I prove my true humanity to the world. My freedom of speech trial began January 25, 2006 for speaking to the media, the same day as the Palestinian elections."

Only 3 journalists showed.

The only journalist present at the conclusion on February 2, 2007, was also the final witness.

The court brought 21 charges against Vanunu for giving interviews to foreign media in 2004: but the media has been missing in action during this historic trial-except for WAWA who has been following this historic case in the 'democracy' called Israel.

Amy Goodmans 2004 interview was prime testimony against him.


"On the day of the termination of the British mandate and on the strength of the United Nations General Assembly declare The State of Israel will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel: it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion it will guarantee freedom of religion [and] conscience and will be faithful to the Charter of the United Nations." - The Declaration of the establishment of Israel, May 14, 1948



After WW II, Attorney Yaccov Shapiro, who later became Israel's Minister Of Justice, described the Emergency Defense Regulations which denies Vanunu the inalienable rights of freedom of speech and movement as "unparalleled in any civilized country: there were no such laws in Nazi Germany."[ N.S. Ateek, Justice and Only Justice p.34]

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." -Article 19, UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

"30 Minutes With Vanunu"
FREELY STREAMING on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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» RE: YOU BET IT CAN HAPPEN HERE! Posted by: willymack
» RE: What a trivial observation Posted by: peacefullaim
America is a police state and it will get worse for ordinary Americans
Posted by: edsmith on Feb 23, 2007 4:43 AM   
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"America is not yet on the verge of fascism, but democracy is again in danger."

Joe Conason is a terrific thinker and writer and this article is clear about what is going on with regard to the threat from corporate, religious, (and imho, in equal detail, the Israel Lobby) that now confronts the Constitution and rule of law in Amerika. We lead the world in jailing people, spending on the military, and spendng on police departments, number of citizens w/o decent healthcare, Enron levels of corruption, and on and on. Amerika may not be on the verge of fascism because it has already arrived and passed our threshold. Just try to protest without being threatened by the police, every street conrer in the nation will soon have video cameras and every where you go will be recorded, all of your phone calls and electronic communications are recorded, your entire financial life is in a date profile, your medical records are as well. So, who is mining all of this information? The government and corporations are, that's who. Was it Mussolini who said fascism is the marriage between government and corporations? So be it. Amerika is a fascist state but due to the size of this once sort of free nation it will take a while to become apparent for many. But if you open your eyes you will see it clearly and I believe Joe does as well.

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IMPEACH!! IMPEACH!!
Posted by: Sweeet Pea on Feb 23, 2007 4:47 AM   
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http://www.a28.org

April 28th, National Call for Impeachment.

ENOUGH ALREADY!

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» RE: IMPEACH!! IMPEACH!! Posted by: tgroarke
Well-no awesomely-said!
Posted by: american on Feb 23, 2007 4:53 AM   
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Two inaccuracies, though. You write, "...there was nobody with the constitutional power to hold the White House accountable." There of course was, though: all of us. As well, "religious fundamentalists" in our country are usually taken to apply to Christian ones. We are clear, though, that this terrifying situation wouldn't be happening without another fanatical religious group's hand: Zionism's. (e.g. Joe Lieberman)

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» RE: Well-no awesomely-said! Posted by: Artemis3
Let’s not rush to judgment
Posted by: shangrilalad on Feb 23, 2007 4:57 AM   
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“America is not yet on the verge of fascism.”

That assertion is debatable, but what is not debatable is if we are not on the verge of fascism, it certainly wasn’t for a lack of trying. Republicans have schemed, lied, strived and bullied Democrats for decades to impose authoritarianism. For instance, they have fought relentlessly to stack the Supreme Court in particular, as well as all over courts, with corporate and authoritarian loving sociopaths.

Reagan kicked off their march to fascism by squelching public information, dissent, and freedom of speech by trashing the Fairness Doctrine, which enabled the Rabid Right to buy, consolidate and monopolize the media. Democracy began to disappear right there. Control of the media is a prime prerequisite for fascism. Most Americans are too stupid to understand that their opinions are molded, manipulated and corrupted by authoritarian lies and propaganda. They soak it up sponges, seldom thinking or questioning what they read or hear.

But let’s not rush to judgment. Let’s wait until Bush declares Martial Law and starts shipping liberals off to Attitude Adjustment Camps.

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» Martial Law Posted by: churchofone
» RE: Martial Law Posted by: grim ripper
Sheep Are Born To Sheered
Posted by: wsking on Feb 23, 2007 5:04 AM   
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I fear Joe Conason’s warning will fall on deaf ears. We elected a President who during his campaign ridiculed critics of his Medicare proposal with the taunt, what do they think it is, some kind of government program? Al Gore ignored it as a slip of the tongue. Dick Cheney opposed Mandela’s release from prison for his own good. In his debate with Lieberman he denied that his wealth came from government largess, and Lieberman did not dispute it. Bush claimed credit for progressive programs in Texas that were passed over his veto. We saw all this as political savvy rather than a reflection of character. Then when the Supreme Court muscled them into office without so much as a whimper of outrage from us we took it stoically while celebrating our civility for doing so. Bush did not become a half-wit after he took office. Cheney did not become a prevaricator after he came to power. We knew these folk before we voted. Sheep are born to be sheared.

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» RE: Sheep Are Born To Sheered Posted by: helenwheels
» That's an excellent post. Posted by: WhatNow?
» no hook, line, or sinker for me Posted by: Kucinich lied
Wanted - a REAL opposition party!
Posted by: DBachmozart on Feb 23, 2007 5:26 AM   
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Let's face it folks - The 8 years of Clinton "triangulation" opened the door to many of Bush/Cheney's policies. Where have the Dems been for the last 6 years? Hiding and quivering from the charge of "soft on terrorism". Even today, they still allow W to bang the war drum against Iran by pledging to "keep all options on the table" (Hillary,Obama and Edwards). But they take impeachment and stopping the war funding OFF that table. We need an alternative candidate/party for '08. It's time to reject "lesser evilism", because we still get evil.

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» RE: Wanted - a REAL opposition party! Posted by: impeachbushandcheneynow
» The Clintons are.... Posted by: Cathyc
Green Dictatorship
Posted by: RemyC on Feb 23, 2007 5:52 AM   
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By the time this dictatorship is in place, it will have become a green dictatorship, by virtue of all the people now gravitating to power, who all want to save the planet... Like Al Gore there... next to you... Would that be such a bad thing? To have environmentalism imposed on humanity, time enough to clean up this mess? To have folks in power who will end this reign of secrecy and energy conversion technology suppression in the military, hundreds of secret bases testing exotic propulsion systems, to the tune of trillions missing from the Pentagon? All this, while we can't even get solid-state lithium ion batteries into mass production to get rid of the internal combustion engine. I would welcome an eco-fascist dictatorship. Like Paul Kantner said: "We all want a one world government, we just don't want it run by a bunch of corporate fascists!" A benevolent dictatorship by a truly enlightened soul, wouldn't be such a bad thing. It worked in the past, check your history books... Those in office in Washington, are ruled from the shadows by individuals who are so far compartmentalized with cosmic top secret security clearances, we're going to be in for some interesting surprises when the veil comes down the velvet curtain, just like when the Berlin wall fell... Dissension in the ranks of the military is at an all time high right now... a coup is never out of the question, even in a democracy, especially when that democracy wants its armies to fight wars they have no heart for.

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» RE: Green Dictatorship Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Green Dictatorship Posted by: pomes
» RE: Green Dictatorship Posted by: abkendall
American Fascism is already in force for some of us.
Posted by: disenfranchised on Feb 23, 2007 6:32 AM   
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"America is not yet on the verge of fascism, but democracy is again in danger." The American Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered people would certainly disagree. Those who are disabled by disease or severe injury, victims of our wars, and aging would also diagree. Scientists who wish to move forward to end human suffering will also likely disagree. The German-Itallian form of Fascism was more a result of an abused labor class and nationalism (and national purity) that became a "religion" of sorts. The current form in the U.S. is brought by corporate economic greed and fundamintalist christian fear. American fascism is most certainly present and in control of national political decision-making for some of us.

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Facism American Style
Posted by: Tom Degan on Feb 23, 2007 6:47 AM   
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And on a star-spangled night, my love
You can place your rights on the fireplace
And by the dawn's early light mt love
Your constitution's turned to dust
Facism American Style!
That's me and you!

If you don't believe that the democratic traditions of your once-great nation are in serious jeopardy, al, I can say is, "Have another sip, Pardner"!

The administration of George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney have done more harm to our rights than any in history. If you're a devoted viewer of FOX and Friends, you're probably unaware of this nasty little fact but, trust me, it's happening.

"Facism should more properly be called 'corporatetism' because it is the total merging of corporate and state power"

Change the word "facism" with "neo-conservatism" and it might very well have come from the pen of Paul Wolfowitz and the Project for a New American Century. The fact is, we're in deep, deep trouble. And yet, there is still a flicker of light at the end of this seriously depressing tunnel. I believe that by this time next year, Bush and Cheney will be out of office and on their way fo federal prison to spend the rest of their fucking lives to poner their crimes against humanity. Am I just being a cock-eyed optomist? Time will tell

Pray for peace.
Work for peace.
Shout for peace.
Be silent for peace.
All we are saying is....You get the idea.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: Facism American Style Posted by: makeadifference
» RE: Facism American Style Posted by: impeachbushandcheneynow
» RE: Facism American Style Posted by: Basenjis
Premise is fine, but I don't buy it.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 23, 2007 7:00 AM   
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See the last election for what happens when folks get angry at their policy makers.

More parties is the answer: how in the world did we end up in a political superbowl situation, where in a country 300M, half of us end up feeling like winners and half of us end up feeling like losers every other November?...

...Because that's what we are willing to tolerate, I s'pose.

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He said that fascism isn't likely to happen here anytime soon.....
Posted by: Pepper on Feb 23, 2007 7:02 AM   
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....in another part of the article, he says this:

"If "it" denotes the police state American-style as imagined and satirized by Lewis, complete with concentration camps, martial law, and mass executions of strikers and other dissidents, then "it" hasn't happened here and isn't likely to happen anytime soon."

He doesn't explain why he believes it won't happen anytime soon, and I find that incredible when you consider the fact that a lot of those elements have happened already. I am most concerned with the "WON'T HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON".

1. Concentration camps (civilian internment camps) have been contracted over the past year to Kellogg, Root, and Brown to be built and those already built are being refurbished. Why??? Don't forget where hundreds of Katrina victims still reside.... in a civilian internment camp near an Exxon refinery as disclosed by Gregg Palast who was arrested BY ORDER OF EXXON MOBILE TO HOMELAND SECURITY for filming that fact.

2. Mass Execution of dissidents - Yes, it hasn't happened YET, THAT WE KNOW ABOUT, JUST LIKE NAZI GERMANY.... However, the question is, will it be soon.... Lets look at the elements currently put in place for that scenario to happen sometime soon......

a. Habeas corpus ripped out of our system, martial law elements in place,

b. military in a law enforcement role against the posse comitatus law, and head of homeland security as the military over the North American continent.

c. Martial law elements were passed by most states as presented by the Fed Gov for passage under the Medical Emergency Health Powers Act. Read that and realize confiscation of your property without compensation is legal as are other FORCED conscription elements where you can be torn from your family and shipped out elsewhere to forced labor without compensation, forced vaccinations, etc.

d. Finally, the Security enhancement act has been passed that defines an American who is considered and "enemy combatant" can lose his citizenship and can be shot or tortured without any due process as proven by the Padilla case for the past 5 years.

So, please, give us a break about the timeframe, we are right there and only about 1 year or 1 false flag event away from it. I honestly hope I am wrong and we make it to 2008, but I fear the oil companies will not allow anyone to interfere with those 78 undeveloped oil fields in Iraq. Two years isn't enough time to do what they need to do. So, good luck.

Otherwise, this was well written and spot on..... careful, wouldn't want this great writer to be called a "conspiracy nut".. LOL

I was disappointed he didn't bring up 9-11, but its a good thing. I don't think this thread would hve survived it.... LOL

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» response with details Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: response with details Posted by: pomes
Focus on the main message
Posted by: dover23 on Feb 23, 2007 7:36 AM   
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Even if the Democrats had won a stronger majority in the Senate, it would be naive to expect that a single election victory could mend the damage inflicted on America's constitutional fabric during the past six years

So the "progressive" strategy for 2007 is pretty clear by now... keep on painting Bush the villian and start apologizing and making excuses for the Dems voted into Congress.

Some would call it irony... an article starting off concerned with the loss of democracy closes with the making of a case for giving a free pass to elected representatives.

So Joe makes it pretty clear. You have 2 choices... believe what he's saying or be naive?

Sometimes I wonder, are these snake oil filled articles getting less cleverly written or does it just seem that way because we're on to them?

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false comfort
Posted by: johnstra on Feb 23, 2007 7:36 AM   
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Unfortunately this article falls into the trap of assuming that a contemporary totalitarian regime must necessarily look like past regimes. This is akin to saying we are not fascist yet because we have not killed six million Jews. The regime is not burning witches or for that matter throwing Christians to the lions either. The point is a fascist regime is by definition a regime dedicated to ensuring the comfort and wealth of a narrow elite. In the case of fascism a corporate elite but all totalitarian regimes purpose is to ensure the perpetual wealth and comfort of a small ruling class. It gathers power to itself and with progressively less stealth oppresses the rest of society to do its bidding and further its ends. The more obviously brutal measures of past regimes are unnecessary in modern American empire propaganda is much more effective than was hitherto possible so that most of the population accept appalling relative wealth and comfort to their rulers as inevitable. The effectiveness of the propaganda is revealed even in Conasons article where he perpetuates the false reading of the military commission’s act that it applies only to non citizens. An actual reading of the act shows that it withdraws judicial recourse from "any persons" and defines enemy combatants as anyone the president says is one and particularly refers to those with a duty and allegiance to the USA which can ONLY be a US citizen.
Once habeas corpus is gone totalitarianism is complete. The only reason there are not jackbooted Gestapo walking the streets is that they are not needed Americans are sufficiently meek to not require such measures to enforce their total subjugation. For most of the population it is necessary to work for 50 plus hours a week at more than one job to feed and maintain the health of the family and even then any major illness results in bankruptcy and destitution.

It will probably take decades before Americans develop the required fortitude to try to wrestle a functioning democracy back from the ruling elite. At present hardly half bother to even vote let alone protest. The last election showed that you can even then still manage to change the names of a few politicians but they can no longer effect any real change. In any case the Bush administration via signing statement etc simply ignores constitutional limitations and no one really complains much.
Americans are fast asleep and being royally screwed by the ruling class and seem to think it’s all fairly normal. While education child poverty and the entire populations health (in this case actually including the ruling elite) are among the world’s worst for industrialized nations. Of course even the term industrialized nation will not long be appropriate to the USA as more and more industry is outsourced overseas.
Not a fascist state yet? America was only barely above the threshold before Bush it is way, way over the line now.

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» RE: false comfort Posted by: ed hill
Take action at Pledgetoimpeach.org.
Posted by: saintsn on Feb 23, 2007 8:20 AM   
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When you have heard enough about why Bush should be impeached, when you have said all you can say about how frightening the present situation is, you can take action through one impeachment group that has a sound and promising plan on how to succeed in impeaching George Bush where Congress has failed. They are collecting American's Pledges to participate in a national strike and general boycott should Congress fail to pass a specific bill calling for impeachment. It will be unlike any strike in history, but you need to read the entire plan. It is viable and remarkably simple, and is getting strong support from the general public. But it depends on us, the American people, to organize ourselves. With our Representatives failing to represent, with most of our union leaders failing to oppose, with our media failing to report the truth, we must not fail to pick up the slack and get it done, OURSELVES. Through this action we will grow new, legitimate leadership willing to take on such an important task.
Bush and the people behind this madness must go and we must make it happen! Read this Plan, Sign a Pledge, and most importantly Spread the Word. Our freedom and democracy depend on it.
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America has been Facist for quite some time
Posted by: DCostello2 on Feb 23, 2007 8:23 AM   
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America has been a Facist nation for a least 100 years if not longer. Take one quick read of USMC Maj Gen Smedley Butler as to why he was fighting wars in the early 1900's. He'll tell you how he made South America safe for United Fruit and others. The definition of Fascism is when Corporate interests become State interests. When the US defends "American" interests, what they really mean are "Corporate America's" interests. We've been doing this since 1900, and arguably even longer.

America is well down the Facist road and the Dems have piloted us there just as good as the Reps have. Again, some may argue that the Dems have historically pushed the Facist agenda further than the Republicans have.

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» "WAR IS A RACKET" Posted by: albrechtkrausse
it happened here a while ago
Posted by: LetsSaveDemocracy on Feb 23, 2007 8:24 AM   
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"i watched with glee
while you kings and queens
fought for ten decades for the gods they made
i shouted out who killed the kennedys
when after all it was you and me.
pleased to meet you.
hope you guessed my name"

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2008
Posted by: Gisele on Feb 23, 2007 8:26 AM   
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There will be no election in 2008. You will be under martial law by then...the only freedoms to be enjoyed will be your memories of a once great nation. And the questions you "should have asked" when you were lulled into a false sense of security.

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It CAN happen here? It HAS happened here!
Posted by: pomes on Feb 23, 2007 8:29 AM   
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The assassination of JFK is the best public landmark in my opinion to herald the age of fascism in this country. Our government has always been firmly under the thumb of the elite and wealthy since its inception, but the day Kennedy's life was taken can be seen as the day that the elite Wall Street Mafia (and their private armies, such as the CIA) took direct control of our government, openly stealing money from the taxpayers, bankrupting the services we've come to expect from that money, and financing an ever-escalating battalion of weapons, drugs, and surveillence to use against the public that funds it.

The only difference in the 21st century is that they are now more overt. No more skulking in the shadows for them. They are confident that they have us where they want them, and for the most part they are probably right in that confidence. They can publically unveil a new weapon they've developed to use against us (soundwave cannons, microwave guns, incapaciting strobe lights), confident that we are beyond the point of effective resistance, psychologically cowing us into submission.

I'm sure there are already places where your neighbor can be dragged off in the middle of the night and you know better than to say anything about it. Very soon, we may all know that experience, or may possibly be the one being dragged off. I hope if that day comes for any of you that you remember the words of Patrick Henry.

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More insidious propaganda
Posted by: rwa on Feb 23, 2007 9:06 AM   
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from the misbegotten, horrifically mismanaged war in Iraq

Why do we keep seeing this nonsense at alternet? It's an illegal war of aggression, pretending it isn't is propaganda. There was nothing "misbegotten" about it.

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More propaganda, we are told what we "know", though we don't beleive it
Posted by: rwa on Feb 23, 2007 9:22 AM   
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the authoritarians can excuse their excesses as the necessary response to an enemy that every American knows to be real.

Depending on which poll you go by, some 12-18% of Americans actually beleives that the government is being honest about 9/11.

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It started long before Bush
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 23, 2007 9:29 AM   
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The march toward our current situation started long before anyone named Bush, Gingrich or Hastert ever set foot in Washington. The list is long and varied, but we have been on this road for a very long time. Sometimes the actions, decisions or laws looked innocuous at the time and later proved to open a Pandora's Box of precedent.

More recently in our history, the war on drugs marked the big slide in civil liberties and personal privacy and freedom. Going back in time, the death certificate for American Democracy was signed when the Supreme Court granted corporations standing as persons before the court and our legal system. Combine the standing as a person with corporate money and the die was cast. The amazing thing is that it has taken this long.

I hate to sound like a cynic, but if I could migrate out of the US tomorrow, I would. We are not living in the nation the founders hoped for, the nation people like Susan B. Anthony, MLK, Gompers, and others fought for. We are not living in the nation of the New Deal, the Square Deal, the Fair Deal or The War on Poverty. I do not recognize my homeland or the tens of millions of sheeple that sit on their hands even as their birthright is taken from them and their children.

There is a famous story about the Constitutional Convention where Benjamin Franklin remarked about the sun on the chairs. Asked if it were a rising or setting sun, he said he thought it to be a rising sun. That was a long time ago and I fear it is a setting sun today. It doesn't have to be-- but certainly seems to be.

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Sure I'm worried
Posted by: reinaldok on Feb 23, 2007 9:59 AM   
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I am truly worried about the so called thirty percent that still think that Bush and all the neo-cons are doing a great job. That Sadam did have wmds, that Blix was an incompetent liar, that Sadam was behind 9/11, etc etc etc. You get the point. I think of the pictures of the Nazis marching into Czechoslovakia and Austria, being cheered on by that eras thirty percenters. As long as these people (and I should mention, I, like just about everyone have them in my family) continue to spout out their rotten garbage, we are happily trodding down the not so yellow brick road to a fascist, totalitarian state.

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