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Obama Is the Best BS Artist Since Bill Clinton
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So I went back and watched the speech again, and I actually felt chills run up my spine. A few weeks ago, Hillary Clinton's launch speech ripped off John Kerry and the DLC with its "Let's have a conversation" theme; Obama, meanwhile, went the Howard Dean route, nicking "A campaign to take America back" from Dean and RFK Jr., among others. The fact that Hillary, like Kerry, is set up as the DLC-acolyte candidate while Obama, like Dean, is set up as the antiwar candidate suggests a kind of permanent template for the Democratic primary process. Maybe soon the race for the Democratic primary will be like Everytown USA's annual high school production of A Streetcar Named Desire, where every year they find a new antiwar Blanche and a new pro-corporate Stanley. The faces are different, the lines are the same.
I've been on the fence about Obama for more than two years now, ever since his breakout performance at the Democratic convention in '04. When I saw that speech -- an iconic piece of inspired nonsense/political showmanship, one that set flashbulbs popping like Michael Jordan's virtuoso 1988 dunk contest performance -- I knew right away that he would be the Democratic presidential nominee someday, perhaps even in the next election cycle.
When I mentioned this to my friends, they told me I was crazy. Obama had had absolutely no national experience at that time, he was a political virgin, there was no way he was ready for prime time. My answer to that was, compared to what? Throw a guy who can speak like that against the list of likely Democratic candidates in 2008 -- a sorry collection of human saline drips that included Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, John Kerry, Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd -- and Obama could fucking walk to the nomination, even if he chose a page from the Betty Crocker cookbook as his stump speech.
Fast forward two years and that appears to be exactly what Obama has done. The Illinois Senator is the ultimate modern media creature -- he's a good-looking, youthful, smooth-talking, buttery-warm personality with an aw-shucks demeanor who exudes a seemingly impenetrable air of Harvard-crafted moral neutrality. If Hillary Clinton even dares to open her mouth within a hundred feet of him at any time during the campaign, she's going to come off like a pig digging for truffles. Even Edwards -- the so-called "slick" candidate from '04 -- sounds like a two-bit suburban Buick dealer next to Obama. You get past the "issues," and it's a wipeout.
Obama knows this, and so his entire political persona is an ingeniously crafted human cipher, a man without race, ideology, geographic allegiances, or, indeed, sharp edges of any kind. You can't run against him on the issues because you can't even find him on the ideological spectrum. Obama's "Man for all seasons" act is so perfect in its particulars that just about anyone can find a bit of himself somewhere in the candidate's background, whether in his genes or his upbringing. You can be white, you can be black, you can be Christian, you can be Muslim, you can be from the American heartland or from Africa... you can even, according to his book The Audacity of Hope, worship Norse Gods or bury your relatives according to Hawaiian rituals:
In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites ...As far as political positioning goes, his strategy seems to be to appear as a sort of ideological Universalist, one who spends a great deal of rhetorical energy showing that he recognizes the validity of all points of view, and conversely emphasizes that when he does take hard positions on issues, he often does so reluctantly. He is a black man from Chicago who gets away with praising Ronald Reagan, which is not an easy task. His political ideal is basically a rehash of the Blair-Clinton "third way" deal, an amalgam of Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton and the New Deal; he is aiming for the middle of the middle of the middle.
In short, Obama is a creature perfectly in tune with the awesome corporate strivings of Hollywood, Madison avenue and the Beltway -- he tries, and often succeeds, at selling a politics of seeking out the very center of where we already are, to the very couch where we've been sitting all this time, as an exciting, revolutionary journey into the unknown. And while most of what he says and writes is basically some version of the same old tired clichés about family and faith and hope and optimism and "working together" and "getting involved," he adds to those clichés real literary flair, wordsmithing far beyond the range of most politicians. Take this bit about his kids in his book:
... I sat at the dinner table, watching Malia and Sasha as they laughed and bickered and resisted their string beans before their mother chased them up the stairs and to their baths. Alone in the kitchen washing the dishes, I imagined my two girls growing up, and I felt the ache that every parent must feel at one time or another, that desire to snatch up each moment of your child's presence and never let go -- to preserve every gesture, to lock in for all eternity the sight of their curls or the feel of their fingers clasped around yours.Here's the thing about Obama, the reason they call him a "natural" and a "rare talent." When Hillary Clinton spouts a cliché, it's four words long, she's reading it off a teleprompter, and it hits the ear like the fat part of a wooden oar. Even when Hillary announced she was running for president, she sounded like she was ordering coffee. Obama on the other hand can close his eyes and the clichés just pour out of his mouth in huge polysyllabic paragraphs, like Rachmaninoff improvisations. In this sense he's exactly like Bill Clinton, who had the same gift. He is exactly what is meant by the term bullshit artist.
My usual instinct when presented with this type of Zelig-esque, Eddie Haskell, non-stick personality is to violently reject it. But over the course of the last few weeks I've found myself increasingly amused by the Obama phenomenon. For one thing, he clearly pisses off Hillary to no end. Same with Biden and all of those other windbag jerk-off assholes in that revolting "national security Democrats" clan in the Senate. There is something subtly racist (in Biden's case, not so subtle) in the way these more entrenched Democrats are riding Obama's lack of credentials and acting like the '08 nomination is their birthright, like he hasn't "waited his turn" or something, paid his dues. As if any of these clowns would wait ten seconds to declare for the White House if they had the same odds that Obama has now.
I have no idea who Obama really is, but he is against the war now (and at least never voted for it) and he seems to infuriate the right people. He has people bitching now that he's not black enough, and there are obviously going to be plenty of people for whom he's too black. And both of those groups of people, frankly, deserve whatever's coming to them. So for the time being I'm going to enjoy his rise to the top, the same way I enjoyed reading The Red and The Black -- like another great phony, Julien Sorel, Obama is a perfect mirror of the society he was born to conquer, and his journey upward throws everyone he passes into stark, humorous relief. Whether I'll vote for him is another story. But he's certainly helping make it clear who shouldn't get my vote.
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Posted by: rwa on Feb 14, 2007 3:07 PM
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At his core, Obama is not opposed to US violations of other nations' sovereignty; he simply opposes "dumb wars" ...
There was a time when African Americans were perceived as different than the arrogant, racist "ugly Americans" -- the whites that strutted around other people's nations as if they owned them. In the early years of the Vietnam War, there were many reports of Viet Cong attempts to spare Black American soldiers' lives, if practical, as an acknowledgment of shared suffering under white rule. When Iranian students seized the US embassy in Tehran, in 1979, African Americans were soon released, along with females.
It is difficult to imagine such differentiations being made on foreign shores, today. Colin Powell emerged from Gulf War One as the personification of American military might -- and threat. As Bush's Secretary of State, Powell sacrificed his reputation -- and an immeasurable portion of remaining African American planetary good will -- in a lie-soaked justification of the impending invasion of Iraq before the U.N.
Colin Powell became the Black face of international piracy, to be succeeded by Condoleezza Rice.
In her first act as the Black American female face of imperial aggression, in 2002, then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice could not contain her disappointment at the failure of a US-backed coup against the Venezuelan President. "We do hope that Chávez recognizes that the whole world is watching," she sneered, "and that he takes advantage of this opportunity to right his own ship, which has been moving, frankly, in the wrong direction for quite a long time."
Despite a string of Chavez victories in fair elections and his overwhelming support among the poor and mostly non-white Venezuelan majority, Rice last week loosed another transparent threat against his government. "I believe there is an assault on democracy in Venezuela," she told a congressional committee. "I do believe that the president of Venezuela is really, really destroying his own country, economically, politically." What a spectacle: American imperialism in black-face, threatening a mixed-race president whose government has arguably adopted the most racially progressive and inclusive policies on the South American continent.
When Rice claimed that the US had been meeting with Venezuelan Catholic leaders who were "under fire" from Chavez's government, the vice-president of the Venezuelan Bishops' Conference -- no friend of Chavez -- called her a "liar." Contrast this with Obama's exchange of pleasantries with Rice before voting to confirm her as chief diplomatic operative of the Bush endless war doctrine.
From Beirut to Caracas, Rice is the Black, snarling symbol of US lawlessness -- a perception of our African American "daughter" that the NAACP must not have anticipated when it bestowed on her its Image Award, in 2002.
After two consecutive Black Secretaries of State fronting for a hyper-aggressive US regime, the world no doubt sees Black America in a very different light.
Would Obama be a worse international criminal than Hillary Clinton? My guess is, they'd function identically, as stewards of empire. But an Obama presidency would leave an unindelible impression on the planet: The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans."
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Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 14, 2007 3:27 PM
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So much for a fresh air of courage and character in politics. What a shame. And I know I will NOT vote for him if he's the guy. Put me down for NONE OF THE ABOVE.
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Posted by: opeluboy on Feb 14, 2007 5:18 PM
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I did say a small corner.
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Posted by: tiellis on Feb 14, 2007 5:28 PM
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Obama is slim and handsome, charismatic, and, as politics goes these days, a "natural"--born to the trade. Of course he is going to continue to be the perfect Rorschach candidate, spinning off comfy cliches on order, someone we can all see ourselves in--this is an integral part of the act for a virtuoso performer. (And ironically, if I were his campaign manager, I would tell him to do exactly that). And of course he will not commit himself to anything that might alienate potential supporters or corporate donors; he will dance around "wedge issues" like abortion and gay rights, throwing an occasional bone to both sides, and he will never lose his cool. He will, in fact, be a veritable Tony Blair figure, glib and amiable to all, neutralizing the left by making it indistinguishable from the "center" (whatever THAT is). And so forth.
All that said, I will probably vote for him, not because it will really change anything of substance, but simply because electing a guy like Obama will send a clear signal to the world, one hopes, that the toxic and grotesquely evil Bush era is finally at an end; that we are ready to rejoin the civilized world.
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Posted by: bohdan on Feb 14, 2007 9:58 PM
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The Republicans bedded the three sisters of politics: Power, Hate, and Greed.
The Democrats are still searching for the Courage to do anything.
And each is responsible for the other, and the voters for both.
Perhaps we deserved to be the victims of our own stupidity.
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Posted by: Gisele on Feb 15, 2007 7:08 AM
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I've read little but a litany of insults regarding this man, how useless he would be as a president. Can anyone be more useless than the one you have now?
What on earth is wrong with a person knowing the basics of the world's top 3 religions? He'll know how to avoid being used by any of them. What's wrong with being too black, or not black enough? The one thing you can't call this man is a racist. A rarity in Washington by the sounds of it.
Try opening your minds a little, the fact is you're dealing with someone you're not accustomed to: highly intelligent, outspoken, and articulate. When was the last time you saw all three of those qualities in the same president?
Give him a chance.
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Posted by: gretavo on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM
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I think it's funny that after the disaster that was your first column on the issue Alternet had to get Sander Hicks to trot out some BS limited hangout about how maybe they let it happen on purpose.
You guys...
So, what's the word, Matt? Figure out how building 7 fell yet? An explanation of the molten steel, pulverized concrete, and free fall speed of the towers?
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To- All Current US Representatives & Senators
Members of Congress running for President in '08
Since we elected & are paying you to do a job already, your attendance to the affairs of Congress is demanded. Translation: Get your ass back to Washington, D.C. and get busy. If you wish to seek other employment, resign your current seat so we can get the representation we, the voters and taxpayers, are entitled to and already pay for. The choice is yours, resign or govern. Seriously.
The American People
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Posted by: karyse on Feb 15, 2007 9:03 AM
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Edwards has a shot at it because of Adams, and notice that Obama is often refered to as Barack.
And Dennis, the best choice of the field for anyone interested in ending imperialist aggression is completely ignored, which is interesting because for the first time in more years than I care to remember, here is a man that would restore America.
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Posted by: jhbeck23 on Feb 15, 2007 9:28 AM
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Style, then, or artistry, is the only possibility for originality, becomes its own statement, becomes a deed. It is only the first stage of the deeds that need to be done, and the second stage involves what a person does when real power is available to her or to him.
Bill Clinton let us down in many ways, and we can look back and see where his lacks were. Obama, then. Is he emotionally insecure? Is he looking for a father? Does he have reflexive needs? Someone who can write about himself so well has certainly got a strong shell, and perhaps behind it a strong enough character to use the presidency's lever to move the Earth a little bit closer to humane ideals.
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Tell us who you think is genuine, intelligent, and good enough for you, Matt. I can almost guarantee that if you come up with someone, whoever it is would get creamed by Mitt Romney! I'll take back the Whithouse from the neocons with the best horse I can find and you can continue to write all the clever columns you want and snigger at us poor gullible folks.
Enjoy your life!
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Posted by: Saitia on Feb 15, 2007 10:13 AM
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That's right, Taibbi; you don't.
You wouldn't know a real leader if one kicked you square in the ass.
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Posted by: DaBear on Feb 15, 2007 10:28 AM
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There's an awful lot of looseygoosey fact-flingin' going on with these huckster candidates, we'd better be sure.
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Posted by: BenjamminH on Feb 15, 2007 10:32 AM
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To wit:
1. Whininess
2. Offering no new position after bashing what one does not agree with.
3. Tiliting at windmills. Noam Chomsky for president? Are you serious?!?!? For one, he's too smart to want the job. Two, do you really think someone who writes such densely (albeit brilliantly) will be able to harness the disparate aspirations of the plurality of Americans.
Here's an idea: How about contacting the lawmakers who actually ARE in power and letting them know how you feel about their work, ideas, etc. We actually do have allies in Washington. I was initially upset when my Republican Congressman (Jim Walsh, NY-28) was re-elected. But you know what? He's against the surge, supports environmental protection, and brings home the bacon to the district.
I think I'm just going to stop reading the comments on this site, because between the morons alluded to above, the trolls, and the 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs, I'm pretty sick of it.
"Without power, ideals cannot be realized. With power, they rarely survive." Fidel Castro
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Posted by: UIfan84 on Feb 15, 2007 4:01 PM
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Secondly, does anyone on the site even know anything about Obama. The idea that he is a fraud (a conservative pretending to be liberal) is, well, stupid quite frankly. I'm from IL so I've got to see Obama's career grow, up close. He has ALWAYS been opposed to going to Iraq. He supports abortion. He sponsored legislation to bar job/housing discrimination against gays and supports civil unions with full rights (but not gay marriage, which is disappointing). He worked on an earned income tax credit for the poor. He worked to restrict handguns and made IL the first state to require police interrogations to be videotaped in criminal investigations.
So before you get all worked up and say that Obama doesn't support liberal causes or that he won't say where he stands on issues, do a little research. Otherwise you sound just like the idiots on Fow News.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Feb 16, 2007 5:31 AM
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That said, Obama does inspire me. He seems to have a sense of humor about himself, he actually did the grunt work of community organizing before he went to law school, and I assume he's no skirt-chaser because surely it would have come up by now. Wouldn't it be wonderful if he turned out to be the real thing?
The only other possible candidate who inspires me lately is Senator James Webb, a man of vastly different experience from Obama, but one who has lived his convictions. He's a lot more conservative than Obama says he is, but I have no doubts he speaks truth to power, and as our last two presidents have so clearly demonstrated: character counts.
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Posted by: Orientalist on Feb 16, 2007 6:08 AM
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Obviously the American people suffer badly from Alzheimer's or amnesia or plain stupidity!
Senator Obama is clearly in the pocket of corporate USA and that's the biggest reason why he had come so far as he is!
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Posted by: PepeLogu on Feb 16, 2007 6:19 AM
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In reality, the president has one job: To communicate the parties ideas and suggestions to the public. We all know Bush is a puppet, right? So will Obama be, his job is to smoothtalk and at that he seems to be a genious and second to none.
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Posted by: pitty on Feb 16, 2007 6:21 AM
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I find it funny that many of these people don't live in reality. In fact, I am completely convinced that many are right-wing trolls pretending to be lefties, progs and dems just to stir the pot.
I wouldn't vote for Noam and here is why. Theory is fine but in politics you have TO WORK WITH PEOPLE to get things done! Hillary has proven she can get things done even in the most hostile of environments. Obama has proven he can get things done though he has a lot less time on the national stage.
We need to debate our candidates but we also need to get on it with the other side. Giuliani has experience as a Mayor. Granted it is mayor of our greatest city but a mayor nonetheless. Gov are voted to the Presidency the most because rationally AMericans feel executive level experience at the state level prepares one the best for Presidency. Senators are next in line. Let's see if Rudy's inexperience will receive a blip from MSM.
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Posted by: rwa on Feb 16, 2007 7:50 AM
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Obama, the first black candidate with a real chance at the Democratic nomination, intends to present his policy regarding Israel soon, and his staff has been drafting a speech on the subject.
In his speech, Obama intends to remove any doubts that the Democratic Party's donors and constituents, many of whom are Jewish, may have about his support for Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/826665.html
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Posted by: hellofriends on Feb 16, 2007 8:24 AM
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as far as i can tell, your other critiques are:
1.) he is good looking
2.) he is good with words
3.) he is not blinded by ideology
4.) he makes use of rhetoric. (like every other politician in the history of the world, as you so astutely point out.)
i have a suspicion that you're making the immature, insecure, envious assumption that if someone is attractive they must be pretty vapid.
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Posted by: rwa on Feb 16, 2007 8:46 AM
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Instead of proposing recognition of the new Palestinian Unity Government, he is already hinting that they are the enemy of Israel. Instead of offering a new platform for peace he seems to be willing to keep things just as they are.... seeking out enemies and finding ways to protect Israel from them.
All he has to do is look carefully at the present US Administration, the enemy is right there. They are the ones that have prevented a real peace process from ever developing in the Middle East, they are the ones that have supplied Israel with arms to be used against the civilian population of Palestine.
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Posted by: MTguy on Feb 16, 2007 8:49 AM
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Mr. Obama is out there running and running early. He's provided us with plenty of time (first primary is 11 months away) to shoot holes in his character and his platform. However he tends to inspire people to try to be the best they can be whether that be as an American or just to be a good neighbor. If you saw his speech at the Democratic National Convention you know exactly what I mean. His interview on 60 Minutes was a Home Run as well. He came off pretty strong there just a couple of days ago.
The cynicism rampant in many of the posts reflects the sour mood of the country. The Uniter has certainly united us on that point. Unless, of course, you're rich. If you haven't gotten richer while Bush has been in office, let's face it - you are a washout as a rich person. Right now the rich are in a foul mood because their tax cuts of late are in serious jeopardy of not being renewed.
In my community here in MT, I see the bottom economic half of the folks living here losing ground against the standard of living. The upper middle class and the rich are riding a strong wave of prosperity. It's all "third stall for the garage" and "boat payments" for those folks.
I think Mr. Obama might be a refreshing change precisely for his inexperience. He hasn't yet learned how to screw us over like the experienced politicians in DC have, but he is pretty dang intelligent. I say, give the guy a chance. Keep the jury out for awhile. See if the proof truly is in Mr. Obama's pudding he's offering us. Meanwhile I'm going to thoroughly enjoy his positive attitude. I've had it with the partisan bickering of the last six years.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Feb 16, 2007 8:59 AM
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Stop with the culture-of-celebrity-worship already, Americans.
Where is the wall-to-wall corporate media coverage of the $10 billion lost to waste/fraud/abuse in Iraq reconstruction - with $300 billion more yet to be audited?
Instead, you get wall-to-wall Anna Nicole / Hilary / Obama.
Slaves.
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Posted by: David V on Feb 16, 2007 9:11 AM
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Ever wonder why the Democrats can't hang onto power lately? It's because liberals insist on each and every candidate conforming to each and every whim and nuance that is part of their own personal ideologies.
So go ahead, rip each other to shreds. Perhaps President Guiliani will be nice to the Democratic Congress in '09. (Provided you guys don't flush THAT opportunity down the shitter either!)
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Posted by: hapenny on Feb 16, 2007 9:42 AM
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This achieves nothing but destruction. Articles like this are a force of war. If you want something positive in the world you have to CREATE IT and make a constructive contribution, not destroy somebody else. Which is why Obama calls on all of us to leave cynicism behind.
So, please, reflect on that. Let's all work together to help solve our problems.
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Posted by: antiapathy on Feb 16, 2007 9:54 AM
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Do we want to vote for someone who actually represents us ideologically? Could we all agree on one candidate? It would have to be a third party candidate, and they would not come close to winning...
So we are trapped in this between-state, where we don't want to compromise our values, but we are getting tired of voting for someone who does not have any chance of being elected.
Personally, I think we should continue to grow third parties on a grass-roots level. Eventually, they will start winning congressional and statehouse races. But what do we do about the Presidential problem?
After 6 years of dubya, I'm a little sick of conservatives being in power. Frankly, it's killing our nation. At first I thought it would serve as a wake-up call. Americans would see how horribly the conservative policies have screwed them over, and would start voting a little further to the left. I obviously overestimated the capacity of Americans to make rational decisions in the voting booth. as shown in the 2004 election. Things looked a little better in 06, but many of those newly elected Dems are centrists who happen to be against this war because popular opinion is against it.
In the end I don't think presidential politics really matter to progressives. At least not in this stage of our country's development. I think our focus should not be on the mainstream candidate's ideological flaws, or the reasons this or that candidate would be great or is not electable. Instead, we should focus on growing our base locally. If we can't get progressives elected to city councils or state assemblies, how do we expect to win the white house? We need to get people to care about civic life again. Americans are horribly apathetic when it comes to politics, the tend to vote on things like party affiliation and name recognition. Things like general intelligence or position on long-term issues (such as health care) take a back seat to a pretty face and a promise to protect the "sanctity of marriage".
In short, American voters are easily duped. Politicians realize that political success is dependent upon corporate donations. And until the voters get smarter and start caring, we will have to choose between the two wings of the corporate party, or voting for the candidate who is not a corporate schill and hence unelectable.
That said, I'm still voting for Kucinich in the primary and probably the Green candidate in the election.
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Posted by: mistery509 on Feb 16, 2007 10:17 AM
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Are the American people brave enough to elect someone like Barack Obama? Probably not. At least it is a start.
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Posted by: pitty on Feb 16, 2007 10:19 AM
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One must be qualified and a critical thinker to be a great or good president. Idealogues think everything is black or white and fail to see the shades of gray.
Personally I think Hillary is left leaning but I thank goodness she is not a left idealist or right idealist. Neither of those kind of people live in the real world. One set projects everything they think God would want and the other side expect to never do no harm ever.
In every contest there is a winner and loser and sometimes it might be a tie but someone still loses!
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Posted by: David V on Feb 16, 2007 10:24 AM
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We have two parties in this country - pick one and go with it. If we had more of a European type system with 5 or 6 major parties, they'd be unable to govern without forming working coalitions. That's what we need to create WITHIN the Democratic Party - a coalition of moderates, liberals and greens. Without that, the Republicans will surely be ruling this country again.
I'll repeat this idea once again in the hopes that it sinks it to all reading: stop insisting that every candidate conforms to each and every political nuance that makes up your personal ideologies.
To continue this sort of behavior is to deliver this nation like a prize to the Republican Party, where we can look forward to generations of war, greed and corruption.
The choice is yours.
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Posted by: Boomerang on Feb 16, 2007 10:31 AM
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Part of the political process of democracy in any country is give and take, making compromises and concessions, not stubbornly demanding every little whim and idosyncracy you want and denouncing the people who disagree with you as "corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption" (to quote one of the more inane comments here).
Maybe if you acknowledged that other people have differing opinions from you and they might have a grip on the truth too, you could take off the ash-colored glasses and see that America might be in a rough patch, but we're still doing pretty damn well. Stop with the elitism, stop with the egotism, stop with the whining, stop with the factionalism and maybe someone will actually want to listen to you crybabies for once.
Obama is a great candidate precisely because he's the first liberal in a long time to have some sort of mainstream appeal. He looks like a genuinely nice guy, unlike the elitist northeast blowhards who seem to be the only thing the Democrats can nominate lately.
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The Obama Illusion
Obama is as genuine as Paul Street is a racist Republican.
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Posted by: mom'z the word on Feb 16, 2007 12:49 PM
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And as we have learned so well by Bush's example, his friends turned out to be America's worst enemies. Bush's friends were appointees, Rummy, Rove, Libby, Cheney, etc. Because appointees are not elected they can have more power and influence on policy making than the President, or Congress combined. Appointees do not answer to the public. It is possible they can do more damage to a democracy because everything they do is in secret, behind closed doors and not subject to public scrutiny.
So to say, if I knew then, what I know now about who Bush was going to put in charge of the Departments of Defense, Secretary of state, Attorney General, Education, FCC, EPA, Bush would never have been elected. After 6 years of exposing Bush's appointees and their private agendas, Bush's rating is at 30%. The measure of human suffering brought on by Bush's team of experts is beyond calculations.
So learning by mistakes is a good thing to remember so as not to repeat them. Therefore, I am not so interested in the candidate’s position on issue as I am concerned about and need to know the people he would appoint when elected. Who would Obama appoint as, for instance, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, EPA, FDA, and FCC. Knowing this speaks volumes on the candidate’s real beliefs. The power to appoint people to powerful positions proved to be Bush's secret weapon.
So, before I cast my vote for a candidate I need them to tell me whom they intend to appointee to cabinet posts. If they say they have not given it any thought or it is too early to commit, then, fair enough. I do not feel like committing either. No one gets my support until I know whom they are going to put in charge of making policies that are going to have a profound and everlasting effect on my life.
And on that note a closing quote from John Locke, philosopher, who said, "I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts." Want to know what the candidates are really thinking; ask them, “If elected, who would be on your cabinet?
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Posted by: bowriter on Feb 16, 2007 1:47 PM
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Utopia didn't happen over night.
Well. . .more drugs for our vision of Kublai Khan. . .
And I love Chomsky, too. . .I'd love to see Howard Zinn his running mate. . .but you know what? Mr. and Mrs. Smith out on main street (for various reasons) does not. . .they might just like Obama.
They vote, you snipe.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 16, 2007 4:43 PM
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Anybody who was dragged around like that as a kid isn't going to make much of a leader. More likely, a dictator - for obvious reasons!
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The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans." (unquote)
You said it, rwa, right on!!!
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I see a lot of this in Obama. He is shrewd, intelligent, and doesn't suffer from "motor mouth" like so many other politicians. That is why I am pulling for him to win it all in 2008!
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Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 16, 2007 8:01 PM
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So damn what if he doesn't spout verbatim every policy progressives -like me- want?
He's a damn good start and I too am sick of my brother and sister progressives unreality about US elections and their incessant whining- grow up!
I'm still for Gore/Obama ticket in 08-absoluteley unbeatable
Dr.Rick Lippin
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Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 16, 2007 8:41 PM
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Y'know, I consider myself as much of a skeptic and cynic of American politics as anyone. Yet I have been impressed by Barak Obama whenever I've heard him speak, and find a bright spark of otherwise sadly-lacking integrity in this man which is lacking in virtually every other candidate with whom I am familiar.
The author's statement above seems to be not too far off the mark...and I must say that this is exactly what I would want in a presidential candidate. What a treat it would be to have an articulate and honorable person for President!
Now the biggest question is: should he truly appear to have a shot at the White House, will "they" let him live?
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Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free
You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
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Oh..BTW..any of you (Eastwood inflection/intonation)
got around to...looking at those links..I
posted upthread....let's see ..did I post three... or... four
Obama (FACT/QUOTE) blasters.....
Oh...and...one more thing Barack (morphed to Columbo) ..
"Yeah..Yeah..what is it"..(visibly agitated....flicks ashes)
The Harvard Law Review ....Uhhhhh...is that the Harvard
of Dershowitz the uber zionist ,Ferguson the apologist for
white supremacist colonial racism and (formerly) Larry
'dumb bitches' Summers?
"Well..I... Uhh...Well ....Yes.....So What...."
.........Get back to you on that..... :o)
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Jeez, is I wasn't already married, and gay marriage was legal, and if I was gay, I'd marry you, Matt.
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I think our attitude should be one of profound skepticism, disrespect and even ridicule.
In a REAL democracy, the citizens would say to someone like Hillary or Obama: "OK, you think you're so great that you should be President? We're not buying it. Maybe we'll let you have the job -- and maybe we won't -- but never forget: we're in charge here, and don't think for a minute you're fooling anyone."
Any other attitude, to quote Theodore Roosevelt, is both base and servile.
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Not that I've ever liked him yet -- my reading, observing, and gut instinct have issued the clarion call of "NO!!!!" but this article is about Obama supporting "Israel's right to defend itself" -- what callous, shallow rhetoric to appeal to AIPAC and back down on any stand for Palestine, land of genocide. Clinton, Obama, Edwards.... anyone to stand up for justice for the victim? And I DON'T mean Israel, for God's sakes!!!!
Let's stop this stupidity- refuse any candidate who doesn't have a clean record of voting or of proclamations about aggressive wars and occupations; who can't appear to the public with a clean conscience.
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It's clear to me that the current election system selects for candidates who are the best at attracting campaign $$$, rather than those who are most able or most committed to the common good.
Somebody has dubbed public campaign financing as "the reform that makes possible all other reform" and I think they have gotten it right.
I suggest that we agitate for public campaign financing (I myself support Public Campaign), and I predict that should we achieve success (I know it won't be easy), the quality of our candidates will improve markedly.
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Hey, I watched the Superbowl, had to pull for my hometown Bears....and I must confess I stilll watch some of the endless Anna Nichole saga on TV, it's a bit like the OJ trial: morbidly fascinating....and how could we not pay attention to the astronaut in diapers and Brittney's shaved head? We are human, after all....
Yet I also try to read a few books and newspapers now and then, and watch what passes for "news" on TV...Last week I read "Vice", about Dick Cheney, and I started reading Obama's "Audacity of Hope" before I had to "get on the bus"...Obama is a gifted writer, I was truly impressed with his style and the picture he portrayed of his early life... (hope it wasn't ghost-written as so many political books are....)
Maybe Barrack Obama is OK, maybe John Edwards truly means his apology for voting to support the illegal invasion of Iraq...I really don't know.
I voted for Ralph Nader for President (and Edwards for VP) via absentee ballot from China last time, and I will likely vote for Ralph again if he runs, though I know he has no chance of winning....
Sometimes standing up for honesty and principle is more important than winning an election, or gaining money, power, or fame....and Ralph Nader has stood up for principle and truth for many decades.
We need to give third, fourth, and fifth party candidates a chance to speak their views to the American public, whether it's Nader or Perot or Pat Buchanan or the Libertarians or Greens....both major parties are too institutionalized, too corrupted by corporate money, and too distant from the ordinary people of the United States....
I don't like the way the two parties gang up on "minority" or "alternative" parties or on independent-minded individuals (like Nader or Pat Buchanan or Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura or Jesse Jackson), and try to blame them for "splitting the vote" and "costing so and so the election..."
Yes, some of the votes that went to Nader in Florida helped Bush win, but some of the votes that Pat Buchanan took away from Bush could have helped Gore win...
And don't Nader and Buchanan have the right to run for President and speak their views to the American public?
The corporate news media are a big part of the problem; in some ways they are a bigger problem than the politicians, most of whom are "fronts" for their wealthy donors and special-interest groups....the TV and radio networks fail to give fair time and exposure to the more independent-minded candidates with divergent or non-corporate views and opinions. They don't want to offend the sponsors, after all....
So, if someone like Ross Perot gets "out of line" with corporate America by predicting a "giant sucking sound" of jobs lost overseas due to NAFTA, GATT, and WTO, he is labeled as "crazy"....if Ralph Nader offends the corporate owners of the news media by suing negligent automakers, or opposing the invasion of Iraq, or criticizing Israel once in awhile, he is totally ignored and kept out of sight of the TV audience....if Pat Buchanan challenges the Bush family's power structure within the Republican party, he becomes an outcast, a pariah...
I like stability and law and order as much as the next person, but I believe that American politics---or should I say politics in the USA, because Mexico, Canada, and all of Latin America are also part of America, aren't they?---has become fossilized, neutered, and monolithic, not a truly vigorous two-party fight over principles, but only a vigorous fight over who has the power and controls the pork-barrel...
Gary
(Gary J. Minter)
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Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Feb 20, 2007 10:17 PM
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"Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will attend a California fundraiser Tuesday night (02-20-07), hosted by Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen." [among MANY other Hollywood elites; some of the most powerful Jews in Hollywood/Los Angeles]. Hollywood Money and the Presidential Race
Oh well: just another "public figure" bought by these people -- and to think: not even 80-100 years ago these same people (their descendants/tribal bretheren, I mean) were at the forefront of the anti-capitalist/social-justice/anti-materialism movement in Russia, Europe, South America, and even America.
Ah what a difference 80 years and A LOT of money makes.
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At his core, Obama is not opposed to US violations of other nations' sovereignty; he simply opposes "dumb wars" ...
There was a time when African Americans were perceived as different than the arrogant, racist "ugly Americans" -- the whites that strutted around other people's nations as if they owned them. In the early years of the Vietnam War, there were many reports of Viet Cong attempts to spare Black American soldiers' lives, if practical, as an acknowledgment of shared suffering under white rule. When Iranian students seized the US embassy in Tehran, in 1979, African Americans were soon released, along with females.
It is difficult to imagine such differentiations being made on foreign shores, today. Colin Powell emerged from Gulf War One as the personification of American military might -- and threat. As Bush's Secretary of State, Powell sacrificed his reputation -- and an immeasurable portion of remaining African American planetary good will -- in a lie-soaked justification of the impending invasion of Iraq before the U.N.
Colin Powell became the Black face of international piracy, to be succeeded by Condoleezza Rice.
In her first act as the Black American female face of imperial aggression, in 2002, then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice could not contain her disappointment at the failure of a US-backed coup against the Venezuelan President. "We do hope that Chávez recognizes that the whole world is watching," she sneered, "and that he takes advantage of this opportunity to right his own ship, which has been moving, frankly, in the wrong direction for quite a long time."
Despite a string of Chavez victories in fair elections and his overwhelming support among the poor and mostly non-white Venezuelan majority, Rice last week loosed another transparent threat against his government. "I believe there is an assault on democracy in Venezuela," she told a congressional committee. "I do believe that the president of Venezuela is really, really destroying his own country, economically, politically." What a spectacle: American imperialism in black-face, threatening a mixed-race president whose government has arguably adopted the most racially progressive and inclusive policies on the South American continent.
When Rice claimed that the US had been meeting with Venezuelan Catholic leaders who were "under fire" from Chavez's government, the vice-president of the Venezuelan Bishops' Conference -- no friend of Chavez -- called her a "liar." Contrast this with Obama's exchange of pleasantries with Rice before voting to confirm her as chief diplomatic operative of the Bush endless war doctrine.
From Beirut to Caracas, Rice is the Black, snarling symbol of US lawlessness -- a perception of our African American "daughter" that the NAACP must not have anticipated when it bestowed on her its Image Award, in 2002.
After two consecutive Black Secretaries of State fronting for a hyper-aggressive US regime, the world no doubt sees Black America in a very different light.
Would Obama be a worse international criminal than Hillary Clinton? My guess is, they'd function identically, as stewards of empire. But an Obama presidency would leave an unindelible impression on the planet: The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans."
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So much for a fresh air of courage and character in politics. What a shame. And I know I will NOT vote for him if he's the guy. Put me down for NONE OF THE ABOVE.
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I did say a small corner.
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Posted by: tiellis on Feb 14, 2007 5:28 PM
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Obama is slim and handsome, charismatic, and, as politics goes these days, a "natural"--born to the trade. Of course he is going to continue to be the perfect Rorschach candidate, spinning off comfy cliches on order, someone we can all see ourselves in--this is an integral part of the act for a virtuoso performer. (And ironically, if I were his campaign manager, I would tell him to do exactly that). And of course he will not commit himself to anything that might alienate potential supporters or corporate donors; he will dance around "wedge issues" like abortion and gay rights, throwing an occasional bone to both sides, and he will never lose his cool. He will, in fact, be a veritable Tony Blair figure, glib and amiable to all, neutralizing the left by making it indistinguishable from the "center" (whatever THAT is). And so forth.
All that said, I will probably vote for him, not because it will really change anything of substance, but simply because electing a guy like Obama will send a clear signal to the world, one hopes, that the toxic and grotesquely evil Bush era is finally at an end; that we are ready to rejoin the civilized world.
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Posted by: bohdan on Feb 14, 2007 9:58 PM
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The Republicans bedded the three sisters of politics: Power, Hate, and Greed.
The Democrats are still searching for the Courage to do anything.
And each is responsible for the other, and the voters for both.
Perhaps we deserved to be the victims of our own stupidity.
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Posted by: Gisele on Feb 15, 2007 7:08 AM
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I've read little but a litany of insults regarding this man, how useless he would be as a president. Can anyone be more useless than the one you have now?
What on earth is wrong with a person knowing the basics of the world's top 3 religions? He'll know how to avoid being used by any of them. What's wrong with being too black, or not black enough? The one thing you can't call this man is a racist. A rarity in Washington by the sounds of it.
Try opening your minds a little, the fact is you're dealing with someone you're not accustomed to: highly intelligent, outspoken, and articulate. When was the last time you saw all three of those qualities in the same president?
Give him a chance.
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Posted by: gretavo on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM
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I think it's funny that after the disaster that was your first column on the issue Alternet had to get Sander Hicks to trot out some BS limited hangout about how maybe they let it happen on purpose.
You guys...
So, what's the word, Matt? Figure out how building 7 fell yet? An explanation of the molten steel, pulverized concrete, and free fall speed of the towers?
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To- All Current US Representatives & Senators
Members of Congress running for President in '08
Since we elected & are paying you to do a job already, your attendance to the affairs of Congress is demanded. Translation: Get your ass back to Washington, D.C. and get busy. If you wish to seek other employment, resign your current seat so we can get the representation we, the voters and taxpayers, are entitled to and already pay for. The choice is yours, resign or govern. Seriously.
The American People
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Edwards has a shot at it because of Adams, and notice that Obama is often refered to as Barack.
And Dennis, the best choice of the field for anyone interested in ending imperialist aggression is completely ignored, which is interesting because for the first time in more years than I care to remember, here is a man that would restore America.
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Posted by: jhbeck23 on Feb 15, 2007 9:28 AM
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Style, then, or artistry, is the only possibility for originality, becomes its own statement, becomes a deed. It is only the first stage of the deeds that need to be done, and the second stage involves what a person does when real power is available to her or to him.
Bill Clinton let us down in many ways, and we can look back and see where his lacks were. Obama, then. Is he emotionally insecure? Is he looking for a father? Does he have reflexive needs? Someone who can write about himself so well has certainly got a strong shell, and perhaps behind it a strong enough character to use the presidency's lever to move the Earth a little bit closer to humane ideals.
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Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE on Feb 15, 2007 10:02 AM
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Tell us who you think is genuine, intelligent, and good enough for you, Matt. I can almost guarantee that if you come up with someone, whoever it is would get creamed by Mitt Romney! I'll take back the Whithouse from the neocons with the best horse I can find and you can continue to write all the clever columns you want and snigger at us poor gullible folks.
Enjoy your life!
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That's right, Taibbi; you don't.
You wouldn't know a real leader if one kicked you square in the ass.
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Posted by: DaBear on Feb 15, 2007 10:28 AM
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There's an awful lot of looseygoosey fact-flingin' going on with these huckster candidates, we'd better be sure.
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To wit:
1. Whininess
2. Offering no new position after bashing what one does not agree with.
3. Tiliting at windmills. Noam Chomsky for president? Are you serious?!?!? For one, he's too smart to want the job. Two, do you really think someone who writes such densely (albeit brilliantly) will be able to harness the disparate aspirations of the plurality of Americans.
Here's an idea: How about contacting the lawmakers who actually ARE in power and letting them know how you feel about their work, ideas, etc. We actually do have allies in Washington. I was initially upset when my Republican Congressman (Jim Walsh, NY-28) was re-elected. But you know what? He's against the surge, supports environmental protection, and brings home the bacon to the district.
I think I'm just going to stop reading the comments on this site, because between the morons alluded to above, the trolls, and the 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs, I'm pretty sick of it.
"Without power, ideals cannot be realized. With power, they rarely survive." Fidel Castro
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Posted by: UIfan84 on Feb 15, 2007 4:01 PM
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Secondly, does anyone on the site even know anything about Obama. The idea that he is a fraud (a conservative pretending to be liberal) is, well, stupid quite frankly. I'm from IL so I've got to see Obama's career grow, up close. He has ALWAYS been opposed to going to Iraq. He supports abortion. He sponsored legislation to bar job/housing discrimination against gays and supports civil unions with full rights (but not gay marriage, which is disappointing). He worked on an earned income tax credit for the poor. He worked to restrict handguns and made IL the first state to require police interrogations to be videotaped in criminal investigations.
So before you get all worked up and say that Obama doesn't support liberal causes or that he won't say where he stands on issues, do a little research. Otherwise you sound just like the idiots on Fow News.
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That said, Obama does inspire me. He seems to have a sense of humor about himself, he actually did the grunt work of community organizing before he went to law school, and I assume he's no skirt-chaser because surely it would have come up by now. Wouldn't it be wonderful if he turned out to be the real thing?
The only other possible candidate who inspires me lately is Senator James Webb, a man of vastly different experience from Obama, but one who has lived his convictions. He's a lot more conservative than Obama says he is, but I have no doubts he speaks truth to power, and as our last two presidents have so clearly demonstrated: character counts.
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Posted by: Orientalist on Feb 16, 2007 6:08 AM
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Obviously the American people suffer badly from Alzheimer's or amnesia or plain stupidity!
Senator Obama is clearly in the pocket of corporate USA and that's the biggest reason why he had come so far as he is!
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Posted by: PepeLogu on Feb 16, 2007 6:19 AM
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In reality, the president has one job: To communicate the parties ideas and suggestions to the public. We all know Bush is a puppet, right? So will Obama be, his job is to smoothtalk and at that he seems to be a genious and second to none.
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I find it funny that many of these people don't live in reality. In fact, I am completely convinced that many are right-wing trolls pretending to be lefties, progs and dems just to stir the pot.
I wouldn't vote for Noam and here is why. Theory is fine but in politics you have TO WORK WITH PEOPLE to get things done! Hillary has proven she can get things done even in the most hostile of environments. Obama has proven he can get things done though he has a lot less time on the national stage.
We need to debate our candidates but we also need to get on it with the other side. Giuliani has experience as a Mayor. Granted it is mayor of our greatest city but a mayor nonetheless. Gov are voted to the Presidency the most because rationally AMericans feel executive level experience at the state level prepares one the best for Presidency. Senators are next in line. Let's see if Rudy's inexperience will receive a blip from MSM.
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Obama, the first black candidate with a real chance at the Democratic nomination, intends to present his policy regarding Israel soon, and his staff has been drafting a speech on the subject.
In his speech, Obama intends to remove any doubts that the Democratic Party's donors and constituents, many of whom are Jewish, may have about his support for Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/826665.html
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Posted by: hellofriends on Feb 16, 2007 8:24 AM
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as far as i can tell, your other critiques are:
1.) he is good looking
2.) he is good with words
3.) he is not blinded by ideology
4.) he makes use of rhetoric. (like every other politician in the history of the world, as you so astutely point out.)
i have a suspicion that you're making the immature, insecure, envious assumption that if someone is attractive they must be pretty vapid.
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Instead of proposing recognition of the new Palestinian Unity Government, he is already hinting that they are the enemy of Israel. Instead of offering a new platform for peace he seems to be willing to keep things just as they are.... seeking out enemies and finding ways to protect Israel from them.
All he has to do is look carefully at the present US Administration, the enemy is right there. They are the ones that have prevented a real peace process from ever developing in the Middle East, they are the ones that have supplied Israel with arms to be used against the civilian population of Palestine.
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Posted by: MTguy on Feb 16, 2007 8:49 AM
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Mr. Obama is out there running and running early. He's provided us with plenty of time (first primary is 11 months away) to shoot holes in his character and his platform. However he tends to inspire people to try to be the best they can be whether that be as an American or just to be a good neighbor. If you saw his speech at the Democratic National Convention you know exactly what I mean. His interview on 60 Minutes was a Home Run as well. He came off pretty strong there just a couple of days ago.
The cynicism rampant in many of the posts reflects the sour mood of the country. The Uniter has certainly united us on that point. Unless, of course, you're rich. If you haven't gotten richer while Bush has been in office, let's face it - you are a washout as a rich person. Right now the rich are in a foul mood because their tax cuts of late are in serious jeopardy of not being renewed.
In my community here in MT, I see the bottom economic half of the folks living here losing ground against the standard of living. The upper middle class and the rich are riding a strong wave of prosperity. It's all "third stall for the garage" and "boat payments" for those folks.
I think Mr. Obama might be a refreshing change precisely for his inexperience. He hasn't yet learned how to screw us over like the experienced politicians in DC have, but he is pretty dang intelligent. I say, give the guy a chance. Keep the jury out for awhile. See if the proof truly is in Mr. Obama's pudding he's offering us. Meanwhile I'm going to thoroughly enjoy his positive attitude. I've had it with the partisan bickering of the last six years.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Feb 16, 2007 8:59 AM
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Stop with the culture-of-celebrity-worship already, Americans.
Where is the wall-to-wall corporate media coverage of the $10 billion lost to waste/fraud/abuse in Iraq reconstruction - with $300 billion more yet to be audited?
Instead, you get wall-to-wall Anna Nicole / Hilary / Obama.
Slaves.
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Ever wonder why the Democrats can't hang onto power lately? It's because liberals insist on each and every candidate conforming to each and every whim and nuance that is part of their own personal ideologies.
So go ahead, rip each other to shreds. Perhaps President Guiliani will be nice to the Democratic Congress in '09. (Provided you guys don't flush THAT opportunity down the shitter either!)
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Posted by: hapenny on Feb 16, 2007 9:42 AM
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This achieves nothing but destruction. Articles like this are a force of war. If you want something positive in the world you have to CREATE IT and make a constructive contribution, not destroy somebody else. Which is why Obama calls on all of us to leave cynicism behind.
So, please, reflect on that. Let's all work together to help solve our problems.
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Posted by: antiapathy on Feb 16, 2007 9:54 AM
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Do we want to vote for someone who actually represents us ideologically? Could we all agree on one candidate? It would have to be a third party candidate, and they would not come close to winning...
So we are trapped in this between-state, where we don't want to compromise our values, but we are getting tired of voting for someone who does not have any chance of being elected.
Personally, I think we should continue to grow third parties on a grass-roots level. Eventually, they will start winning congressional and statehouse races. But what do we do about the Presidential problem?
After 6 years of dubya, I'm a little sick of conservatives being in power. Frankly, it's killing our nation. At first I thought it would serve as a wake-up call. Americans would see how horribly the conservative policies have screwed them over, and would start voting a little further to the left. I obviously overestimated the capacity of Americans to make rational decisions in the voting booth. as shown in the 2004 election. Things looked a little better in 06, but many of those newly elected Dems are centrists who happen to be against this war because popular opinion is against it.
In the end I don't think presidential politics really matter to progressives. At least not in this stage of our country's development. I think our focus should not be on the mainstream candidate's ideological flaws, or the reasons this or that candidate would be great or is not electable. Instead, we should focus on growing our base locally. If we can't get progressives elected to city councils or state assemblies, how do we expect to win the white house? We need to get people to care about civic life again. Americans are horribly apathetic when it comes to politics, the tend to vote on things like party affiliation and name recognition. Things like general intelligence or position on long-term issues (such as health care) take a back seat to a pretty face and a promise to protect the "sanctity of marriage".
In short, American voters are easily duped. Politicians realize that political success is dependent upon corporate donations. And until the voters get smarter and start caring, we will have to choose between the two wings of the corporate party, or voting for the candidate who is not a corporate schill and hence unelectable.
That said, I'm still voting for Kucinich in the primary and probably the Green candidate in the election.
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Posted by: mistery509 on Feb 16, 2007 10:17 AM
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Are the American people brave enough to elect someone like Barack Obama? Probably not. At least it is a start.
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One must be qualified and a critical thinker to be a great or good president. Idealogues think everything is black or white and fail to see the shades of gray.
Personally I think Hillary is left leaning but I thank goodness she is not a left idealist or right idealist. Neither of those kind of people live in the real world. One set projects everything they think God would want and the other side expect to never do no harm ever.
In every contest there is a winner and loser and sometimes it might be a tie but someone still loses!
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Posted by: David V on Feb 16, 2007 10:24 AM
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We have two parties in this country - pick one and go with it. If we had more of a European type system with 5 or 6 major parties, they'd be unable to govern without forming working coalitions. That's what we need to create WITHIN the Democratic Party - a coalition of moderates, liberals and greens. Without that, the Republicans will surely be ruling this country again.
I'll repeat this idea once again in the hopes that it sinks it to all reading: stop insisting that every candidate conforms to each and every political nuance that makes up your personal ideologies.
To continue this sort of behavior is to deliver this nation like a prize to the Republican Party, where we can look forward to generations of war, greed and corruption.
The choice is yours.
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Posted by: Boomerang on Feb 16, 2007 10:31 AM
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Part of the political process of democracy in any country is give and take, making compromises and concessions, not stubbornly demanding every little whim and idosyncracy you want and denouncing the people who disagree with you as "corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption" (to quote one of the more inane comments here).
Maybe if you acknowledged that other people have differing opinions from you and they might have a grip on the truth too, you could take off the ash-colored glasses and see that America might be in a rough patch, but we're still doing pretty damn well. Stop with the elitism, stop with the egotism, stop with the whining, stop with the factionalism and maybe someone will actually want to listen to you crybabies for once.
Obama is a great candidate precisely because he's the first liberal in a long time to have some sort of mainstream appeal. He looks like a genuinely nice guy, unlike the elitist northeast blowhards who seem to be the only thing the Democrats can nominate lately.
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The Obama Illusion
Obama is as genuine as Paul Street is a racist Republican.
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Posted by: mom'z the word on Feb 16, 2007 12:49 PM
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And as we have learned so well by Bush's example, his friends turned out to be America's worst enemies. Bush's friends were appointees, Rummy, Rove, Libby, Cheney, etc. Because appointees are not elected they can have more power and influence on policy making than the President, or Congress combined. Appointees do not answer to the public. It is possible they can do more damage to a democracy because everything they do is in secret, behind closed doors and not subject to public scrutiny.
So to say, if I knew then, what I know now about who Bush was going to put in charge of the Departments of Defense, Secretary of state, Attorney General, Education, FCC, EPA, Bush would never have been elected. After 6 years of exposing Bush's appointees and their private agendas, Bush's rating is at 30%. The measure of human suffering brought on by Bush's team of experts is beyond calculations.
So learning by mistakes is a good thing to remember so as not to repeat them. Therefore, I am not so interested in the candidate’s position on issue as I am concerned about and need to know the people he would appoint when elected. Who would Obama appoint as, for instance, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, EPA, FDA, and FCC. Knowing this speaks volumes on the candidate’s real beliefs. The power to appoint people to powerful positions proved to be Bush's secret weapon.
So, before I cast my vote for a candidate I need them to tell me whom they intend to appointee to cabinet posts. If they say they have not given it any thought or it is too early to commit, then, fair enough. I do not feel like committing either. No one gets my support until I know whom they are going to put in charge of making policies that are going to have a profound and everlasting effect on my life.
And on that note a closing quote from John Locke, philosopher, who said, "I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts." Want to know what the candidates are really thinking; ask them, “If elected, who would be on your cabinet?
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Utopia didn't happen over night.
Well. . .more drugs for our vision of Kublai Khan. . .
And I love Chomsky, too. . .I'd love to see Howard Zinn his running mate. . .but you know what? Mr. and Mrs. Smith out on main street (for various reasons) does not. . .they might just like Obama.
They vote, you snipe.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 16, 2007 4:43 PM
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Anybody who was dragged around like that as a kid isn't going to make much of a leader. More likely, a dictator - for obvious reasons!
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Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 16, 2007 4:49 PM
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The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans." (unquote)
You said it, rwa, right on!!!
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Posted by: fdr_vindicated on Feb 16, 2007 4:51 PM
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I see a lot of this in Obama. He is shrewd, intelligent, and doesn't suffer from "motor mouth" like so many other politicians. That is why I am pulling for him to win it all in 2008!
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Posted by: truthfinder on Feb 16, 2007 6:10 PM
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» Conspiracy theorists unite!
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Posted by: wleming on Feb 16, 2007 6:13 PM
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Posted by: bambino on Feb 16, 2007 7:32 PM
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Posted by: mcartri on Feb 16, 2007 7:42 PM
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Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 16, 2007 8:01 PM
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So damn what if he doesn't spout verbatim every policy progressives -like me- want?
He's a damn good start and I too am sick of my brother and sister progressives unreality about US elections and their incessant whining- grow up!
I'm still for Gore/Obama ticket in 08-absoluteley unbeatable
Dr.Rick Lippin
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Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 16, 2007 8:41 PM
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Y'know, I consider myself as much of a skeptic and cynic of American politics as anyone. Yet I have been impressed by Barak Obama whenever I've heard him speak, and find a bright spark of otherwise sadly-lacking integrity in this man which is lacking in virtually every other candidate with whom I am familiar.
The author's statement above seems to be not too far off the mark...and I must say that this is exactly what I would want in a presidential candidate. What a treat it would be to have an articulate and honorable person for President!
Now the biggest question is: should he truly appear to have a shot at the White House, will "they" let him live?
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» RE: And this is a problem how? In this way.......
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Feb 16, 2007 11:16 PM
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===============
Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free
You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
====================
Oh..BTW..any of you (Eastwood inflection/intonation)
got around to...looking at those links..I
posted upthread....let's see ..did I post three... or... four
Obama (FACT/QUOTE) blasters.....
Oh...and...one more thing Barack (morphed to Columbo) ..
"Yeah..Yeah..what is it"..(visibly agitated....flicks ashes)
The Harvard Law Review ....Uhhhhh...is that the Harvard
of Dershowitz the uber zionist ,Ferguson the apologist for
white supremacist colonial racism and (formerly) Larry
'dumb bitches' Summers?
"Well..I... Uhh...Well ....Yes.....So What...."
.........Get back to you on that..... :o)
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» Would make a decent pop song
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» RE: Would make a decent pop song....It Was!!!
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Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 17, 2007 12:04 AM
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Jeez, is I wasn't already married, and gay marriage was legal, and if I was gay, I'd marry you, Matt.
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Posted by: SteveB on Feb 17, 2007 2:14 PM
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I think our attitude should be one of profound skepticism, disrespect and even ridicule.
In a REAL democracy, the citizens would say to someone like Hillary or Obama: "OK, you think you're so great that you should be President? We're not buying it. Maybe we'll let you have the job -- and maybe we won't -- but never forget: we're in charge here, and don't think for a minute you're fooling anyone."
Any other attitude, to quote Theodore Roosevelt, is both base and servile.
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» Absolutely right, it's terrible
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Posted by: medstudgeek on Feb 17, 2007 7:18 PM
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» Fooled by 'charisma'--you and others that fall for the 'charisma trap' should be barred from voting
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Posted by: RobbieUMD on Feb 17, 2007 10:45 PM
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Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 18, 2007 11:02 AM
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Not that I've ever liked him yet -- my reading, observing, and gut instinct have issued the clarion call of "NO!!!!" but this article is about Obama supporting "Israel's right to defend itself" -- what callous, shallow rhetoric to appeal to AIPAC and back down on any stand for Palestine, land of genocide. Clinton, Obama, Edwards.... anyone to stand up for justice for the victim? And I DON'T mean Israel, for God's sakes!!!!
Let's stop this stupidity- refuse any candidate who doesn't have a clean record of voting or of proclamations about aggressive wars and occupations; who can't appear to the public with a clean conscience.
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Posted by: Jim Shaw on Feb 20, 2007 12:00 PM
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It's clear to me that the current election system selects for candidates who are the best at attracting campaign $$$, rather than those who are most able or most committed to the common good.
Somebody has dubbed public campaign financing as "the reform that makes possible all other reform" and I think they have gotten it right.
I suggest that we agitate for public campaign financing (I myself support Public Campaign), and I predict that should we achieve success (I know it won't be easy), the quality of our candidates will improve markedly.
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Posted by: garyjminter on Feb 20, 2007 2:59 PM
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Hey, I watched the Superbowl, had to pull for my hometown Bears....and I must confess I stilll watch some of the endless Anna Nichole saga on TV, it's a bit like the OJ trial: morbidly fascinating....and how could we not pay attention to the astronaut in diapers and Brittney's shaved head? We are human, after all....
Yet I also try to read a few books and newspapers now and then, and watch what passes for "news" on TV...Last week I read "Vice", about Dick Cheney, and I started reading Obama's "Audacity of Hope" before I had to "get on the bus"...Obama is a gifted writer, I was truly impressed with his style and the picture he portrayed of his early life... (hope it wasn't ghost-written as so many political books are....)
Maybe Barrack Obama is OK, maybe John Edwards truly means his apology for voting to support the illegal invasion of Iraq...I really don't know.
I voted for Ralph Nader for President (and Edwards for VP) via absentee ballot from China last time, and I will likely vote for Ralph again if he runs, though I know he has no chance of winning....
Sometimes standing up for honesty and principle is more important than winning an election, or gaining money, power, or fame....and Ralph Nader has stood up for principle and truth for many decades.
We need to give third, fourth, and fifth party candidates a chance to speak their views to the American public, whether it's Nader or Perot or Pat Buchanan or the Libertarians or Greens....both major parties are too institutionalized, too corrupted by corporate money, and too distant from the ordinary people of the United States....
I don't like the way the two parties gang up on "minority" or "alternative" parties or on independent-minded individuals (like Nader or Pat Buchanan or Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura or Jesse Jackson), and try to blame them for "splitting the vote" and "costing so and so the election..."
Yes, some of the votes that went to Nader in Florida helped Bush win, but some of the votes that Pat Buchanan took away from Bush could have helped Gore win...
And don't Nader and Buchanan have the right to run for President and speak their views to the American public?
The corporate news media are a big part of the problem; in some ways they are a bigger problem than the politicians, most of whom are "fronts" for their wealthy donors and special-interest groups....the TV and radio networks fail to give fair time and exposure to the more independent-minded candidates with divergent or non-corporate views and opinions. They don't want to offend the sponsors, after all....
So, if someone like Ross Perot gets "out of line" with corporate America by predicting a "giant sucking sound" of jobs lost overseas due to NAFTA, GATT, and WTO, he is labeled as "crazy"....if Ralph Nader offends the corporate owners of the news media by suing negligent automakers, or opposing the invasion of Iraq, or criticizing Israel once in awhile, he is totally ignored and kept out of sight of the TV audience....if Pat Buchanan challenges the Bush family's power structure within the Republican party, he becomes an outcast, a pariah...
I like stability and law and order as much as the next person, but I believe that American politics---or should I say politics in the USA, because Mexico, Canada, and all of Latin America are also part of America, aren't they?---has become fossilized, neutered, and monolithic, not a truly vigorous two-party fight over principles, but only a vigorous fight over who has the power and controls the pork-barrel...
Gary
(Gary J. Minter)
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Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Feb 20, 2007 10:17 PM
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"Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will attend a California fundraiser Tuesday night (02-20-07), hosted by Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen." [among MANY other Hollywood elites; some of the most powerful Jews in Hollywood/Los Angeles]. Hollywood Money and the Presidential Race
Oh well: just another "public figure" bought by these people -- and to think: not even 80-100 years ago these same people (their descendants/tribal bretheren, I mean) were at the forefront of the anti-capitalist/social-justice/anti-materialism movement in Russia, Europe, South America, and even America.
Ah what a difference 80 years and A LOT of money makes.
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