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Obama Is the Best BS Artist Since Bill Clinton

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted February 14, 2007.


The "talent of the century" hits the campaign trail, and while it isn't clear who Obama really is, he's certainly helping make it clear who the bad candidates are.
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Last Friday night a friend called and told me that Barack Obama had posted a sort of pre-announcement of the start of his presidential campaign on his website. I immediately cued it up and within ten minutes was writing a column blasting him for ripping off half of his campaign speech from a smorgasbord of '04 Democratic candidates -- then stopped when I realized that I'd already written exactly that column about Hillary Clinton's kickoff speech a few weeks ago.

So I went back and watched the speech again, and I actually felt chills run up my spine. A few weeks ago, Hillary Clinton's launch speech ripped off John Kerry and the DLC with its "Let's have a conversation" theme; Obama, meanwhile, went the Howard Dean route, nicking "A campaign to take America back" from Dean and RFK Jr., among others. The fact that Hillary, like Kerry, is set up as the DLC-acolyte candidate while Obama, like Dean, is set up as the antiwar candidate suggests a kind of permanent template for the Democratic primary process. Maybe soon the race for the Democratic primary will be like Everytown USA's annual high school production of A Streetcar Named Desire, where every year they find a new antiwar Blanche and a new pro-corporate Stanley. The faces are different, the lines are the same.

I've been on the fence about Obama for more than two years now, ever since his breakout performance at the Democratic convention in '04. When I saw that speech -- an iconic piece of inspired nonsense/political showmanship, one that set flashbulbs popping like Michael Jordan's virtuoso 1988 dunk contest performance -- I knew right away that he would be the Democratic presidential nominee someday, perhaps even in the next election cycle.

When I mentioned this to my friends, they told me I was crazy. Obama had had absolutely no national experience at that time, he was a political virgin, there was no way he was ready for prime time. My answer to that was, compared to what? Throw a guy who can speak like that against the list of likely Democratic candidates in 2008 -- a sorry collection of human saline drips that included Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, John Kerry, Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd -- and Obama could fucking walk to the nomination, even if he chose a page from the Betty Crocker cookbook as his stump speech.

Fast forward two years and that appears to be exactly what Obama has done. The Illinois Senator is the ultimate modern media creature -- he's a good-looking, youthful, smooth-talking, buttery-warm personality with an aw-shucks demeanor who exudes a seemingly impenetrable air of Harvard-crafted moral neutrality. If Hillary Clinton even dares to open her mouth within a hundred feet of him at any time during the campaign, she's going to come off like a pig digging for truffles. Even Edwards -- the so-called "slick" candidate from '04 -- sounds like a two-bit suburban Buick dealer next to Obama. You get past the "issues," and it's a wipeout.

Obama knows this, and so his entire political persona is an ingeniously crafted human cipher, a man without race, ideology, geographic allegiances, or, indeed, sharp edges of any kind. You can't run against him on the issues because you can't even find him on the ideological spectrum. Obama's "Man for all seasons" act is so perfect in its particulars that just about anyone can find a bit of himself somewhere in the candidate's background, whether in his genes or his upbringing. You can be white, you can be black, you can be Christian, you can be Muslim, you can be from the American heartland or from Africa... you can even, according to his book The Audacity of Hope, worship Norse Gods or bury your relatives according to Hawaiian rituals:

In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites ...

As far as political positioning goes, his strategy seems to be to appear as a sort of ideological Universalist, one who spends a great deal of rhetorical energy showing that he recognizes the validity of all points of view, and conversely emphasizes that when he does take hard positions on issues, he often does so reluctantly. He is a black man from Chicago who gets away with praising Ronald Reagan, which is not an easy task. His political ideal is basically a rehash of the Blair-Clinton "third way" deal, an amalgam of Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton and the New Deal; he is aiming for the middle of the middle of the middle.


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Imperial Obama by Glen Ford (excerpt)
Posted by: rwa on Feb 14, 2007 3:07 PM   
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... No one but an imperialist could describe US behavior in Iraq as "coddling" the Iraqis, as Obama said to an establishment foreign policy gathering in Chicago, late last year. His Iraq War De-escalation Act, carefully calibrated to make him appear slightly less belligerent than Hillary Clinton, allows the US to wage war until March 31, 2008, at the very least, and to maintain a military presence in the country thereafter. It is a sham measure, more helpful in buying time for Bush than in encouraging effective dissent.

At his core, Obama is not opposed to US violations of other nations' sovereignty; he simply opposes "dumb wars" ...

There was a time when African Americans were perceived as different than the arrogant, racist "ugly Americans" -- the whites that strutted around other people's nations as if they owned them. In the early years of the Vietnam War, there were many reports of Viet Cong attempts to spare Black American soldiers' lives, if practical, as an acknowledgment of shared suffering under white rule. When Iranian students seized the US embassy in Tehran, in 1979, African Americans were soon released, along with females.

It is difficult to imagine such differentiations being made on foreign shores, today. Colin Powell emerged from Gulf War One as the personification of American military might -- and threat. As Bush's Secretary of State, Powell sacrificed his reputation -- and an immeasurable portion of remaining African American planetary good will -- in a lie-soaked justification of the impending invasion of Iraq before the U.N.

Colin Powell became the Black face of international piracy, to be succeeded by Condoleezza Rice.

In her first act as the Black American female face of imperial aggression, in 2002, then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice could not contain her disappointment at the failure of a US-backed coup against the Venezuelan President. "We do hope that Chávez recognizes that the whole world is watching," she sneered, "and that he takes advantage of this opportunity to right his own ship, which has been moving, frankly, in the wrong direction for quite a long time."

Despite a string of Chavez victories in fair elections and his overwhelming support among the poor and mostly non-white Venezuelan majority, Rice last week loosed another transparent threat against his government. "I believe there is an assault on democracy in Venezuela," she told a congressional committee. "I do believe that the president of Venezuela is really, really destroying his own country, economically, politically." What a spectacle: American imperialism in black-face, threatening a mixed-race president whose government has arguably adopted the most racially progressive and inclusive policies on the South American continent.

When Rice claimed that the US had been meeting with Venezuelan Catholic leaders who were "under fire" from Chavez's government, the vice-president of the Venezuelan Bishops' Conference -- no friend of Chavez -- called her a "liar." Contrast this with Obama's exchange of pleasantries with Rice before voting to confirm her as chief diplomatic operative of the Bush endless war doctrine.

From Beirut to Caracas, Rice is the Black, snarling symbol of US lawlessness -- a perception of our African American "daughter" that the NAACP must not have anticipated when it bestowed on her its Image Award, in 2002.

After two consecutive Black Secretaries of State fronting for a hyper-aggressive US regime, the world no doubt sees Black America in a very different light.

Would Obama be a worse international criminal than Hillary Clinton? My guess is, they'd function identically, as stewards of empire. But an Obama presidency would leave an unindelible impression on the planet: The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans."

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» We're expecting too much Posted by: mirimac
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Osama?
Posted by: vermonter on Feb 14, 2007 3:18 PM   
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Taibbi calls him "Osama" in the sixth paragraph...

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» RE: Osama? Posted by: ndsmith
You sum it up with
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 14, 2007 3:27 PM   
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"his entire political persona is an ingeniously crafted human cipher, a man without race, ideology, geographic allegiances, or, indeed, sharp edges of any kind." He's an infuriating wuss.

So much for a fresh air of courage and character in politics. What a shame. And I know I will NOT vote for him if he's the guy. Put me down for NONE OF THE ABOVE.

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» Put me down for NONE OF THE ABOVE. Posted by: Lincoln fan
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A small corner for hope
Posted by: opeluboy on Feb 14, 2007 5:18 PM   
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Taibbi pretty much nails it, but I still hold out a small corner of hope in my head that Obama may fool us yet and be somebody.

I did say a small corner.

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» RE: A small corner for hope Posted by: pavementrat
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Withholding Judgment
Posted by: tiellis on Feb 14, 2007 5:28 PM   
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I have just about given up on presidential politics in America as being anything other than what Orwell called "prolefeed"--a bread-and-circuses distraction concocted every four years to delude us all--the great unwashed, brain-dead TV audience, that is--into thinking that our choices matter, or that we still live in a "democracy." And so, from one election to another, they become more vacuous, more and more like beauty pageants, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Obama is slim and handsome, charismatic, and, as politics goes these days, a "natural"--born to the trade. Of course he is going to continue to be the perfect Rorschach candidate, spinning off comfy cliches on order, someone we can all see ourselves in--this is an integral part of the act for a virtuoso performer. (And ironically, if I were his campaign manager, I would tell him to do exactly that). And of course he will not commit himself to anything that might alienate potential supporters or corporate donors; he will dance around "wedge issues" like abortion and gay rights, throwing an occasional bone to both sides, and he will never lose his cool. He will, in fact, be a veritable Tony Blair figure, glib and amiable to all, neutralizing the left by making it indistinguishable from the "center" (whatever THAT is). And so forth.

All that said, I will probably vote for him, not because it will really change anything of substance, but simply because electing a guy like Obama will send a clear signal to the world, one hopes, that the toxic and grotesquely evil Bush era is finally at an end; that we are ready to rejoin the civilized world.

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Reality
Posted by: bassman on Feb 14, 2007 6:33 PM   
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The readers on this site (which is very anti-Obama in general) tend to be so unrealistic as far as presidential politics go. Man, I wish we could nominate Noam Chomsky or Ralph Nader and watch them sail to the Presidency. I could take pride in that. However, I have a choice between Senator Obama and John Edwards (co-sponsor of Iraq War Resolution, who "cares alot about the poor" since 2004) and Hillary Clinton (Hey, the bushes and clintons own Washington, right)? Try studying Obama's record a little more carefully, and you will understand that he is a good man and you are pessimistic cynics.

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» His record... Posted by: bassman
» Hey, RWA... Posted by: bassman
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» I owe RWA an apology... Posted by: bassman
» RE: His record... Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: eality Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: eality Posted by: bassman
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» Re: Noam Chomsky ??? Posted by: Cathyc
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Does it make any difference...........?
Posted by: bohdan on Feb 14, 2007 9:58 PM   
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The State of the Union only shows us that we should never trust any politician.

The Republicans bedded the three sisters of politics: Power, Hate, and Greed.

The Democrats are still searching for the Courage to do anything.

And each is responsible for the other, and the voters for both.

Perhaps we deserved to be the victims of our own stupidity.

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another machine(d) candidate
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 15, 2007 4:19 AM   
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I'm so glad somebody gets it. If someone's being touted (or maybe "tooted") as a plausible presidential candidate, "a candidate who can win," you can pretty much bet that substance is lacking -- but that the candidate is adept at being anything to everyone with the right bucks. Long time ago Joni Mitchell sang about "stoking the star-maker machine behind the popular songs." Let's take a closer look at the star-maker machine behind the presidential candidates and not get fooled again.

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An exercise in cynicism?
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Feb 15, 2007 6:56 AM   
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I am still trying to get the point of this article. I personally think that Presidents should be intelligent, articulate, and comfortable with people at all levels, and that these qualities are strong assets for a candidate. This article seems to belittle all public personality traits, good and bad.

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» RE: An exercise in cynicism? Posted by: jszymkowski
WHO..do you want?!
Posted by: Gisele on Feb 15, 2007 7:08 AM   
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Everyone seems to know "what" they don't want...but do you know "who" you want? And why?

I've read little but a litany of insults regarding this man, how useless he would be as a president. Can anyone be more useless than the one you have now?

What on earth is wrong with a person knowing the basics of the world's top 3 religions? He'll know how to avoid being used by any of them. What's wrong with being too black, or not black enough? The one thing you can't call this man is a racist. A rarity in Washington by the sounds of it.

Try opening your minds a little, the fact is you're dealing with someone you're not accustomed to: highly intelligent, outspoken, and articulate. When was the last time you saw all three of those qualities in the same president?

Give him a chance.

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» RE: Not who - what Posted by: Lincoln fan
fooled again...and again...and again
Posted by: robmikejas on Feb 15, 2007 7:12 AM   
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There are no patriots among our leaders and future leaders in washington in the sense that Jefferson, Washington, Adams were Patriots. Only corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption. That tune you hear is the American funeral march. This country has passed the point of redemption and we all know it. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, all empty promises. And the general population? Pathetic schmoes drunk on sports, hip hop and breaking news ( the daily dose of Anna Nichole Smith or some such drivel). This Bush War Presidency has defined us, mocked us, and destroyed us. But it is our own arrogance and ignorance and intellectual slothfullness that has sealed our fate. God bless America, as if...

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» conscious hip hop Posted by: YinRising
media creation
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Feb 15, 2007 7:32 AM   
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The truth be told about Obama. He is nothing more than a media hyped political creation. Yes he talks real smooth like a good black preacher (without the accenuations.... thank you Lord!) and his message is just a lot of populist pap without any real substance. Its just like what Limbaugh said about Donovan McNabb and the media. It wasn't that the black McNabb was such a great QB but that the media was totally consumed in hyping a black QB. I see no real difference with Obama. He'll stay somewhere around 15% in the polls and eventually he'll drop out (probably to become Hillary's VP running mate). As far as his presidential aspirations are concerned. He'll be like a fresh cow turd on a cold November morning. He'll steam for a little while and then he'll be no more. Just a chunk of frozen poop.

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Whoa, what insight!
Posted by: gretavo on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM   
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Nice, Matt. I hadn't figured out that Obama was given a prime speaking spot at the 04 convention because he was going to be offered up as the next big thing soon after. Brilliant. Any progress to report on the column you said you were going to write debunking the physics of 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

I think it's funny that after the disaster that was your first column on the issue Alternet had to get Sander Hicks to trot out some BS limited hangout about how maybe they let it happen on purpose.

You guys...

So, what's the word, Matt? Figure out how building 7 fell yet? An explanation of the molten steel, pulverized concrete, and free fall speed of the towers?

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» RE: Whoa, what insight! Posted by: youaretheother
Roll Call
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM   
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From- The American Public
To- All Current US Representatives & Senators

Members of Congress running for President in '08

Since we elected & are paying you to do a job already, your attendance to the affairs of Congress is demanded. Translation: Get your ass back to Washington, D.C. and get busy. If you wish to seek other employment, resign your current seat so we can get the representation we, the voters and taxpayers, are entitled to and already pay for. The choice is yours, resign or govern. Seriously.

The American People

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» RE: oll Call Posted by: cannibalicious!
Dennis
Posted by: karyse on Feb 15, 2007 9:03 AM   
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So how come the media, and everyone else ignores Kucinich? Is it because of what I've alwasy suspected, that the only possible name to be presidnet starts with a consonant, ends in a consonant, and is usually only one or two syllables long? (Ford, Carter, Regan, Clinton, Bush, Hoover, Wilson, Johnson, Nixon, Lincoln, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Cleveland, Roosevelt, Taft, Harding, Coolidge, Truman). Of the last twenty presidents there are a couple of exceptions, Kennedy (went by Jack), Eisenhower (the exception that proves the rule and in any case his was close to 50 years ago).

Edwards has a shot at it because of Adams, and notice that Obama is often refered to as Barack.

And Dennis, the best choice of the field for anyone interested in ending imperialist aggression is completely ignored, which is interesting because for the first time in more years than I care to remember, here is a man that would restore America.

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DD
Posted by: Thinker on Feb 15, 2007 9:08 AM   
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Right on! Let's get Congress to enact legislation limiting campaigning to maybe 6 mos. There is so much to be done in congress that we need our senators and congressmen working overtime to manage the needs of our nation.

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Fabienne
Posted by: Fabienne on Feb 15, 2007 9:16 AM   
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Though I believe that it is impossible to be a member of our political system in this day and age without being somewhat tainted and compromised, I am astounded at the lack of knowledge regarding Obama in this post. I would suggest going to his website to see some substantive positions on the issues, though they may not be as liberal as you, or I, would like. Furthermore, you might check out his past. He always opposed the war in Iraq and attended an anti-war rally before it began, which puts his prescience far above any of the other Democratic candidates except Kucinich (who, really, doesn't have a chance to win the nomination). Furthermore, he turned down a six-figure job with a prominent Chicago law firm to work for a small non-profit firm doing community organizing. And if you fault him for being articulate and positive in his outlook, then it would seem Bush is your man, as he is neither.

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» RE: Fabienne Posted by: alternetrose
When all the words have already been spoken...
Posted by: jhbeck23 on Feb 15, 2007 9:28 AM   
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With how many thousands of candidates running more or less full time for everything, each with at least one speech, and tens of thousands more writing about the speeches and candidates, what chance is there for really new things to be said?

Style, then, or artistry, is the only possibility for originality, becomes its own statement, becomes a deed. It is only the first stage of the deeds that need to be done, and the second stage involves what a person does when real power is available to her or to him.

Bill Clinton let us down in many ways, and we can look back and see where his lacks were. Obama, then. Is he emotionally insecure? Is he looking for a father? Does he have reflexive needs? Someone who can write about himself so well has certainly got a strong shell, and perhaps behind it a strong enough character to use the presidency's lever to move the Earth a little bit closer to humane ideals.

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Nice Going Matt
Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE on Feb 15, 2007 10:02 AM   
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I guess it's true - no one does a better job of tearing down potential democratic candidates than democrats themselves. I can see the point in being cynical, or skeptical, if your goal is truth, but it seems like the only point of this piece is to show how brilliant the author is compared to the rest of us gullible simps. All I can say is, I hope I never reach this level of cynicism.

Tell us who you think is genuine, intelligent, and good enough for you, Matt. I can almost guarantee that if you come up with someone, whoever it is would get creamed by Mitt Romney! I'll take back the Whithouse from the neocons with the best horse I can find and you can continue to write all the clever columns you want and snigger at us poor gullible folks.

Enjoy your life!

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Matt Who??
Posted by: Saitia on Feb 15, 2007 10:13 AM   
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MT: "I have no idea who Obama really is. . ."

That's right, Taibbi; you don't.
You wouldn't know a real leader if one kicked you square in the ass.

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» RE: Matt Who?? Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Matt Who?? Posted by: ignition
His vote was against the war, not for it?
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 15, 2007 10:28 AM   
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Seems like there's some basic fact checking required here. Democracy Now reported he voted for the Iraq war and has voted to fund it every single time since. (Was he even in the Senate in March 2003?) Glen Ford says he voted for the war and has funded it ever since. Taibbi says "at least he didn't vote for it." Anyone have a verifiable link to the truth?

There's an awful lot of looseygoosey fact-flingin' going on with these huckster candidates, we'd better be sure.

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I'm sick of all of you negative assholes!
Posted by: BenjamminH on Feb 15, 2007 10:32 AM   
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Much of the posts on this site illustrate the problem many moderates have with the left/liberal/progressive viewpoint.

To wit:
1. Whininess
2. Offering no new position after bashing what one does not agree with.
3. Tiliting at windmills. Noam Chomsky for president? Are you serious?!?!? For one, he's too smart to want the job. Two, do you really think someone who writes such densely (albeit brilliantly) will be able to harness the disparate aspirations of the plurality of Americans.

Here's an idea: How about contacting the lawmakers who actually ARE in power and letting them know how you feel about their work, ideas, etc. We actually do have allies in Washington. I was initially upset when my Republican Congressman (Jim Walsh, NY-28) was re-elected. But you know what? He's against the surge, supports environmental protection, and brings home the bacon to the district.

I think I'm just going to stop reading the comments on this site, because between the morons alluded to above, the trolls, and the 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs, I'm pretty sick of it.

"Without power, ideals cannot be realized. With power, they rarely survive." Fidel Castro

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suck it up and admit.....
Posted by: robmikejas on Feb 15, 2007 11:16 AM   
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There are no patriots among our leaders and future leaders in washington in the sense that Jefferson, Washington, Adams were Patriots. Only corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption. That tune you hear is the American funeral march. This country has passed the point of redemption and we all know it. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, all empty promises. And the general population? Pathetic schmoes drunk on sports, hip hop and breaking news ( the daily dose of Anna Nichole Smith or some such drivel). This Bush War Presidency has defined us, mocked us, and destroyed us. But it is our own arrogance and ignorance and intellectual slothfullness that has sealed our fate. God bless America, as if...

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» A boomerang must have.... Posted by: Michiganman
frank67
Posted by: frank67 on Feb 15, 2007 3:49 PM   
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To paraphrase H L Menken: "boobism is alive and well in the USA." Or maybe Claude Rains had it right: "Round up the usual suspects." Dennis Kucinch is the only real person seeking the Democratic nomination. Of course, since he is real, the MSM and the inside-the-beltway idiots discount Dennis.

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A reality check people
Posted by: UIfan84 on Feb 15, 2007 4:01 PM   
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You will find no bigger supporter of progressive causes than me, but if you think there is any chance to get a straight line progressive who will rubber stamp every liberal cause, than you are mistaken. The fact is, we do live in a country with a lot of crazy conservatives, and sometimes politicians have to work with those whom they oppose ideolically to get things done. I wish we lived in a country were everyone was progressive, but we don't, and if you want to live a country that allows for ideological freedom you will have to learn to compromise on some issues unless you want the government at a stand still.

Secondly, does anyone on the site even know anything about Obama. The idea that he is a fraud (a conservative pretending to be liberal) is, well, stupid quite frankly. I'm from IL so I've got to see Obama's career grow, up close. He has ALWAYS been opposed to going to Iraq. He supports abortion. He sponsored legislation to bar job/housing discrimination against gays and supports civil unions with full rights (but not gay marriage, which is disappointing). He worked on an earned income tax credit for the poor. He worked to restrict handguns and made IL the first state to require police interrogations to be videotaped in criminal investigations.

So before you get all worked up and say that Obama doesn't support liberal causes or that he won't say where he stands on issues, do a little research. Otherwise you sound just like the idiots on Fow News.

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» RE: A reality check people Posted by: tweedster
Give Us A Break
Posted by: bloominblacksheep on Feb 16, 2007 5:15 AM   
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Usually I read Alternet for intelligent discourse. Not so this time. Looks like the Dems are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again? Hard to believe..."Team play" appears to be unknown here, just a bunch of raving little egos today and yesterday, with a few worthwhile exceptions. But who would have expected the "racism" on a site like this? It's patently obvious! Must be a bunch of Repub. trolls, or a bunch of people already very jealous of Obama's early success...which is it, People?

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» RE: Give Us A Break poor choices a sign of the times Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
Is Obama Bill Clinton all over again?
Posted by: Urstrly on Feb 16, 2007 5:31 AM   
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It has taken me years to get over Bill Clinton, because I fell really hard for his line about restoring sixties ideals, which he largely repudiated. He is an unrepentant pleaser—of almost everyone, including the Bushes— and it worries me that Barack Obama may be cut from the same cloth.

That said, Obama does inspire me. He seems to have a sense of humor about himself, he actually did the grunt work of community organizing before he went to law school, and I assume he's no skirt-chaser because surely it would have come up by now. Wouldn't it be wonderful if he turned out to be the real thing?

The only other possible candidate who inspires me lately is Senator James Webb, a man of vastly different experience from Obama, but one who has lived his convictions. He's a lot more conservative than Obama says he is, but I have no doubts he speaks truth to power, and as our last two presidents have so clearly demonstrated: character counts.

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I don't get why Kucinich fans
Posted by: adrienne4dean on Feb 16, 2007 5:47 AM   
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think Dennis is so perfect. How come he decided to be pro-choice just in time for his '04 run? How come in the Iowa Caucus, rather than have his losing delegates back the only other anti-war candidate, Howard Dean, he threw them behind Edwards, then still fervently defending his pro-war vote? Peace, schmeece. How about a little consistency/honesty?

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Mundus vult decipi!
Posted by: Orientalist on Feb 16, 2007 6:08 AM   
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Senator Barak Obama and 15 other Democratic Senators voted for the Bankruptcy bill some time ago, Molly Ivins, peace upon her memories, wrote the next day in her column; None of this Democrats should call themselves for Democrats they should be called Republican LIGHT because they were representing the Big Credit corporations instead of "we the people" and she continued with we should never forget that action. And I agree with her 100%!

Obviously the American people suffer badly from Alzheimer's or amnesia or plain stupidity!

Senator Obama is clearly in the pocket of corporate USA and that's the biggest reason why he had come so far as he is!

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