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Obama Is the Best BS Artist Since Bill Clinton

The "talent of the century" hits the campaign trail, and while it isn't clear who Obama really is, he's certainly helping make it clear who the bad candidates are.
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Last Friday night a friend called and told me that Barack Obama had posted a sort of pre-announcement of the start of his presidential campaign on his website. I immediately cued it up and within ten minutes was writing a column blasting him for ripping off half of his campaign speech from a smorgasbord of '04 Democratic candidates -- then stopped when I realized that I'd already written exactly that column about Hillary Clinton's kickoff speech a few weeks ago.

So I went back and watched the speech again, and I actually felt chills run up my spine. A few weeks ago, Hillary Clinton's launch speech ripped off John Kerry and the DLC with its "Let's have a conversation" theme; Obama, meanwhile, went the Howard Dean route, nicking "A campaign to take America back" from Dean and RFK Jr., among others. The fact that Hillary, like Kerry, is set up as the DLC-acolyte candidate while Obama, like Dean, is set up as the antiwar candidate suggests a kind of permanent template for the Democratic primary process. Maybe soon the race for the Democratic primary will be like Everytown USA's annual high school production of A Streetcar Named Desire, where every year they find a new antiwar Blanche and a new pro-corporate Stanley. The faces are different, the lines are the same.

I've been on the fence about Obama for more than two years now, ever since his breakout performance at the Democratic convention in '04. When I saw that speech -- an iconic piece of inspired nonsense/political showmanship, one that set flashbulbs popping like Michael Jordan's virtuoso 1988 dunk contest performance -- I knew right away that he would be the Democratic presidential nominee someday, perhaps even in the next election cycle.

When I mentioned this to my friends, they told me I was crazy. Obama had had absolutely no national experience at that time, he was a political virgin, there was no way he was ready for prime time. My answer to that was, compared to what? Throw a guy who can speak like that against the list of likely Democratic candidates in 2008 -- a sorry collection of human saline drips that included Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, John Kerry, Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd -- and Obama could fucking walk to the nomination, even if he chose a page from the Betty Crocker cookbook as his stump speech.

Fast forward two years and that appears to be exactly what Obama has done. The Illinois Senator is the ultimate modern media creature -- he's a good-looking, youthful, smooth-talking, buttery-warm personality with an aw-shucks demeanor who exudes a seemingly impenetrable air of Harvard-crafted moral neutrality. If Hillary Clinton even dares to open her mouth within a hundred feet of him at any time during the campaign, she's going to come off like a pig digging for truffles. Even Edwards -- the so-called "slick" candidate from '04 -- sounds like a two-bit suburban Buick dealer next to Obama. You get past the "issues," and it's a wipeout.

Obama knows this, and so his entire political persona is an ingeniously crafted human cipher, a man without race, ideology, geographic allegiances, or, indeed, sharp edges of any kind. You can't run against him on the issues because you can't even find him on the ideological spectrum. Obama's "Man for all seasons" act is so perfect in its particulars that just about anyone can find a bit of himself somewhere in the candidate's background, whether in his genes or his upbringing. You can be white, you can be black, you can be Christian, you can be Muslim, you can be from the American heartland or from Africa... you can even, according to his book The Audacity of Hope, worship Norse Gods or bury your relatives according to Hawaiian rituals:
In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites ...
As far as political positioning goes, his strategy seems to be to appear as a sort of ideological Universalist, one who spends a great deal of rhetorical energy showing that he recognizes the validity of all points of view, and conversely emphasizes that when he does take hard positions on issues, he often does so reluctantly. He is a black man from Chicago who gets away with praising Ronald Reagan, which is not an easy task. His political ideal is basically a rehash of the Blair-Clinton "third way" deal, an amalgam of Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton and the New Deal; he is aiming for the middle of the middle of the middle.

In short, Obama is a creature perfectly in tune with the awesome corporate strivings of Hollywood, Madison avenue and the Beltway -- he tries, and often succeeds, at selling a politics of seeking out the very center of where we already are, to the very couch where we've been sitting all this time, as an exciting, revolutionary journey into the unknown. And while most of what he says and writes is basically some version of the same old tired clichés about family and faith and hope and optimism and "working together" and "getting involved," he adds to those clichés real literary flair, wordsmithing far beyond the range of most politicians. Take this bit about his kids in his book:
... I sat at the dinner table, watching Malia and Sasha as they laughed and bickered and resisted their string beans before their mother chased them up the stairs and to their baths. Alone in the kitchen washing the dishes, I imagined my two girls growing up, and I felt the ache that every parent must feel at one time or another, that desire to snatch up each moment of your child's presence and never let go -- to preserve every gesture, to lock in for all eternity the sight of their curls or the feel of their fingers clasped around yours.
Here's the thing about Obama, the reason they call him a "natural" and a "rare talent." When Hillary Clinton spouts a cliché, it's four words long, she's reading it off a teleprompter, and it hits the ear like the fat part of a wooden oar. Even when Hillary announced she was running for president, she sounded like she was ordering coffee. Obama on the other hand can close his eyes and the clichés just pour out of his mouth in huge polysyllabic paragraphs, like Rachmaninoff improvisations. In this sense he's exactly like Bill Clinton, who had the same gift. He is exactly what is meant by the term bullshit artist.

My usual instinct when presented with this type of Zelig-esque, Eddie Haskell, non-stick personality is to violently reject it. But over the course of the last few weeks I've found myself increasingly amused by the Obama phenomenon. For one thing, he clearly pisses off Hillary to no end. Same with Biden and all of those other windbag jerk-off assholes in that revolting "national security Democrats" clan in the Senate. There is something subtly racist (in Biden's case, not so subtle) in the way these more entrenched Democrats are riding Obama's lack of credentials and acting like the '08 nomination is their birthright, like he hasn't "waited his turn" or something, paid his dues. As if any of these clowns would wait ten seconds to declare for the White House if they had the same odds that Obama has now.

I have no idea who Obama really is, but he is against the war now (and at least never voted for it) and he seems to infuriate the right people. He has people bitching now that he's not black enough, and there are obviously going to be plenty of people for whom he's too black. And both of those groups of people, frankly, deserve whatever's coming to them. So for the time being I'm going to enjoy his rise to the top, the same way I enjoyed reading The Red and The Black -- like another great phony, Julien Sorel, Obama is a perfect mirror of the society he was born to conquer, and his journey upward throws everyone he passes into stark, humorous relief. Whether I'll vote for him is another story. But he's certainly helping make it clear who shouldn't get my vote.
Matt Taibbi is a writer for Rolling Stone.
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Imperial Obama by Glen Ford (excerpt)
Posted by: rwa on Feb 14, 2007 3:07 PM   
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... No one but an imperialist could describe US behavior in Iraq as "coddling" the Iraqis, as Obama said to an establishment foreign policy gathering in Chicago, late last year. His Iraq War De-escalation Act, carefully calibrated to make him appear slightly less belligerent than Hillary Clinton, allows the US to wage war until March 31, 2008, at the very least, and to maintain a military presence in the country thereafter. It is a sham measure, more helpful in buying time for Bush than in encouraging effective dissent.

At his core, Obama is not opposed to US violations of other nations' sovereignty; he simply opposes "dumb wars" ...

There was a time when African Americans were perceived as different than the arrogant, racist "ugly Americans" -- the whites that strutted around other people's nations as if they owned them. In the early years of the Vietnam War, there were many reports of Viet Cong attempts to spare Black American soldiers' lives, if practical, as an acknowledgment of shared suffering under white rule. When Iranian students seized the US embassy in Tehran, in 1979, African Americans were soon released, along with females.

It is difficult to imagine such differentiations being made on foreign shores, today. Colin Powell emerged from Gulf War One as the personification of American military might -- and threat. As Bush's Secretary of State, Powell sacrificed his reputation -- and an immeasurable portion of remaining African American planetary good will -- in a lie-soaked justification of the impending invasion of Iraq before the U.N.

Colin Powell became the Black face of international piracy, to be succeeded by Condoleezza Rice.

In her first act as the Black American female face of imperial aggression, in 2002, then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice could not contain her disappointment at the failure of a US-backed coup against the Venezuelan President. "We do hope that Chávez recognizes that the whole world is watching," she sneered, "and that he takes advantage of this opportunity to right his own ship, which has been moving, frankly, in the wrong direction for quite a long time."

Despite a string of Chavez victories in fair elections and his overwhelming support among the poor and mostly non-white Venezuelan majority, Rice last week loosed another transparent threat against his government. "I believe there is an assault on democracy in Venezuela," she told a congressional committee. "I do believe that the president of Venezuela is really, really destroying his own country, economically, politically." What a spectacle: American imperialism in black-face, threatening a mixed-race president whose government has arguably adopted the most racially progressive and inclusive policies on the South American continent.

When Rice claimed that the US had been meeting with Venezuelan Catholic leaders who were "under fire" from Chavez's government, the vice-president of the Venezuelan Bishops' Conference -- no friend of Chavez -- called her a "liar." Contrast this with Obama's exchange of pleasantries with Rice before voting to confirm her as chief diplomatic operative of the Bush endless war doctrine.

From Beirut to Caracas, Rice is the Black, snarling symbol of US lawlessness -- a perception of our African American "daughter" that the NAACP must not have anticipated when it bestowed on her its Image Award, in 2002.

After two consecutive Black Secretaries of State fronting for a hyper-aggressive US regime, the world no doubt sees Black America in a very different light.

Would Obama be a worse international criminal than Hillary Clinton? My guess is, they'd function identically, as stewards of empire. But an Obama presidency would leave an unindelible impression on the planet: The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans."

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Osama?
Posted by: vermonter on Feb 14, 2007 3:18 PM   
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Taibbi calls him "Osama" in the sixth paragraph...

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You sum it up with
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 14, 2007 3:27 PM   
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"his entire political persona is an ingeniously crafted human cipher, a man without race, ideology, geographic allegiances, or, indeed, sharp edges of any kind." He's an infuriating wuss.

So much for a fresh air of courage and character in politics. What a shame. And I know I will NOT vote for him if he's the guy. Put me down for NONE OF THE ABOVE.

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A small corner for hope
Posted by: opeluboy on Feb 14, 2007 5:18 PM   
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Taibbi pretty much nails it, but I still hold out a small corner of hope in my head that Obama may fool us yet and be somebody.

I did say a small corner.

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Withholding Judgment
Posted by: tiellis on Feb 14, 2007 5:28 PM   
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I have just about given up on presidential politics in America as being anything other than what Orwell called "prolefeed"--a bread-and-circuses distraction concocted every four years to delude us all--the great unwashed, brain-dead TV audience, that is--into thinking that our choices matter, or that we still live in a "democracy." And so, from one election to another, they become more vacuous, more and more like beauty pageants, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Obama is slim and handsome, charismatic, and, as politics goes these days, a "natural"--born to the trade. Of course he is going to continue to be the perfect Rorschach candidate, spinning off comfy cliches on order, someone we can all see ourselves in--this is an integral part of the act for a virtuoso performer. (And ironically, if I were his campaign manager, I would tell him to do exactly that). And of course he will not commit himself to anything that might alienate potential supporters or corporate donors; he will dance around "wedge issues" like abortion and gay rights, throwing an occasional bone to both sides, and he will never lose his cool. He will, in fact, be a veritable Tony Blair figure, glib and amiable to all, neutralizing the left by making it indistinguishable from the "center" (whatever THAT is). And so forth.

All that said, I will probably vote for him, not because it will really change anything of substance, but simply because electing a guy like Obama will send a clear signal to the world, one hopes, that the toxic and grotesquely evil Bush era is finally at an end; that we are ready to rejoin the civilized world.

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Reality
Posted by: bassman on Feb 14, 2007 6:33 PM   
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The readers on this site (which is very anti-Obama in general) tend to be so unrealistic as far as presidential politics go. Man, I wish we could nominate Noam Chomsky or Ralph Nader and watch them sail to the Presidency. I could take pride in that. However, I have a choice between Senator Obama and John Edwards (co-sponsor of Iraq War Resolution, who "cares alot about the poor" since 2004) and Hillary Clinton (Hey, the bushes and clintons own Washington, right)? Try studying Obama's record a little more carefully, and you will understand that he is a good man and you are pessimistic cynics.

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Does it make any difference...........?
Posted by: bohdan on Feb 14, 2007 9:58 PM   
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The State of the Union only shows us that we should never trust any politician.

The Republicans bedded the three sisters of politics: Power, Hate, and Greed.

The Democrats are still searching for the Courage to do anything.

And each is responsible for the other, and the voters for both.

Perhaps we deserved to be the victims of our own stupidity.

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another machine(d) candidate
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 15, 2007 4:19 AM   
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I'm so glad somebody gets it. If someone's being touted (or maybe "tooted") as a plausible presidential candidate, "a candidate who can win," you can pretty much bet that substance is lacking -- but that the candidate is adept at being anything to everyone with the right bucks. Long time ago Joni Mitchell sang about "stoking the star-maker machine behind the popular songs." Let's take a closer look at the star-maker machine behind the presidential candidates and not get fooled again.

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An exercise in cynicism?
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Feb 15, 2007 6:56 AM   
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I am still trying to get the point of this article. I personally think that Presidents should be intelligent, articulate, and comfortable with people at all levels, and that these qualities are strong assets for a candidate. This article seems to belittle all public personality traits, good and bad.

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WHO..do you want?!
Posted by: Gisele on Feb 15, 2007 7:08 AM   
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Everyone seems to know "what" they don't want...but do you know "who" you want? And why?

I've read little but a litany of insults regarding this man, how useless he would be as a president. Can anyone be more useless than the one you have now?

What on earth is wrong with a person knowing the basics of the world's top 3 religions? He'll know how to avoid being used by any of them. What's wrong with being too black, or not black enough? The one thing you can't call this man is a racist. A rarity in Washington by the sounds of it.

Try opening your minds a little, the fact is you're dealing with someone you're not accustomed to: highly intelligent, outspoken, and articulate. When was the last time you saw all three of those qualities in the same president?

Give him a chance.

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fooled again...and again...and again
Posted by: robmikejas on Feb 15, 2007 7:12 AM   
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There are no patriots among our leaders and future leaders in washington in the sense that Jefferson, Washington, Adams were Patriots. Only corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption. That tune you hear is the American funeral march. This country has passed the point of redemption and we all know it. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, all empty promises. And the general population? Pathetic schmoes drunk on sports, hip hop and breaking news ( the daily dose of Anna Nichole Smith or some such drivel). This Bush War Presidency has defined us, mocked us, and destroyed us. But it is our own arrogance and ignorance and intellectual slothfullness that has sealed our fate. God bless America, as if...

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media creation
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Feb 15, 2007 7:32 AM   
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The truth be told about Obama. He is nothing more than a media hyped political creation. Yes he talks real smooth like a good black preacher (without the accenuations.... thank you Lord!) and his message is just a lot of populist pap without any real substance. Its just like what Limbaugh said about Donovan McNabb and the media. It wasn't that the black McNabb was such a great QB but that the media was totally consumed in hyping a black QB. I see no real difference with Obama. He'll stay somewhere around 15% in the polls and eventually he'll drop out (probably to become Hillary's VP running mate). As far as his presidential aspirations are concerned. He'll be like a fresh cow turd on a cold November morning. He'll steam for a little while and then he'll be no more. Just a chunk of frozen poop.

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Whoa, what insight!
Posted by: gretavo on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM   
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Nice, Matt. I hadn't figured out that Obama was given a prime speaking spot at the 04 convention because he was going to be offered up as the next big thing soon after. Brilliant. Any progress to report on the column you said you were going to write debunking the physics of 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

I think it's funny that after the disaster that was your first column on the issue Alternet had to get Sander Hicks to trot out some BS limited hangout about how maybe they let it happen on purpose.

You guys...

So, what's the word, Matt? Figure out how building 7 fell yet? An explanation of the molten steel, pulverized concrete, and free fall speed of the towers?

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Roll Call
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM   
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From- The American Public
To- All Current US Representatives & Senators

Members of Congress running for President in '08

Since we elected & are paying you to do a job already, your attendance to the affairs of Congress is demanded. Translation: Get your ass back to Washington, D.C. and get busy. If you wish to seek other employment, resign your current seat so we can get the representation we, the voters and taxpayers, are entitled to and already pay for. The choice is yours, resign or govern. Seriously.

The American People

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Dennis
Posted by: karyse on Feb 15, 2007 9:03 AM   
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So how come the media, and everyone else ignores Kucinich? Is it because of what I've alwasy suspected, that the only possible name to be presidnet starts with a consonant, ends in a consonant, and is usually only one or two syllables long? (Ford, Carter, Regan, Clinton, Bush, Hoover, Wilson, Johnson, Nixon, Lincoln, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Cleveland, Roosevelt, Taft, Harding, Coolidge, Truman). Of the last twenty presidents there are a couple of exceptions, Kennedy (went by Jack), Eisenhower (the exception that proves the rule and in any case his was close to 50 years ago).

Edwards has a shot at it because of Adams, and notice that Obama is often refered to as Barack.

And Dennis, the best choice of the field for anyone interested in ending imperialist aggression is completely ignored, which is interesting because for the first time in more years than I care to remember, here is a man that would restore America.

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DD
Posted by: Thinker on Feb 15, 2007 9:08 AM   
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Right on! Let's get Congress to enact legislation limiting campaigning to maybe 6 mos. There is so much to be done in congress that we need our senators and congressmen working overtime to manage the needs of our nation.

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Fabienne
Posted by: Fabienne on Feb 15, 2007 9:16 AM   
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Though I believe that it is impossible to be a member of our political system in this day and age without being somewhat tainted and compromised, I am astounded at the lack of knowledge regarding Obama in this post. I would suggest going to his website to see some substantive positions on the issues, though they may not be as liberal as you, or I, would like. Furthermore, you might check out his past. He always opposed the war in Iraq and attended an anti-war rally before it began, which puts his prescience far above any of the other Democratic candidates except Kucinich (who, really, doesn't have a chance to win the nomination). Furthermore, he turned down a six-figure job with a prominent Chicago law firm to work for a small non-profit firm doing community organizing. And if you fault him for being articulate and positive in his outlook, then it would seem Bush is your man, as he is neither.

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When all the words have already been spoken...
Posted by: jhbeck23 on Feb 15, 2007 9:28 AM   
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With how many thousands of candidates running more or less full time for everything, each with at least one speech, and tens of thousands more writing about the speeches and candidates, what chance is there for really new things to be said?

Style, then, or artistry, is the only possibility for originality, becomes its own statement, becomes a deed. It is only the first stage of the deeds that need to be done, and the second stage involves what a person does when real power is available to her or to him.

Bill Clinton let us down in many ways, and we can look back and see where his lacks were. Obama, then. Is he emotionally insecure? Is he looking for a father? Does he have reflexive needs? Someone who can write about himself so well has certainly got a strong shell, and perhaps behind it a strong enough character to use the presidency's lever to move the Earth a little bit closer to humane ideals.

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Nice Going Matt
Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE on Feb 15, 2007 10:02 AM   
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I guess it's true - no one does a better job of tearing down potential democratic candidates than democrats themselves. I can see the point in being cynical, or skeptical, if your goal is truth, but it seems like the only point of this piece is to show how brilliant the author is compared to the rest of us gullible simps. All I can say is, I hope I never reach this level of cynicism.

Tell us who you think is genuine, intelligent, and good enough for you, Matt. I can almost guarantee that if you come up with someone, whoever it is would get creamed by Mitt Romney! I'll take back the Whithouse from the neocons with the best horse I can find and you can continue to write all the clever columns you want and snigger at us poor gullible folks.

Enjoy your life!

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Matt Who??
Posted by: Saitia on Feb 15, 2007 10:13 AM   
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MT: "I have no idea who Obama really is. . ."

That's right, Taibbi; you don't.
You wouldn't know a real leader if one kicked you square in the ass.

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His vote was against the war, not for it?
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 15, 2007 10:28 AM   
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Seems like there's some basic fact checking required here. Democracy Now reported he voted for the Iraq war and has voted to fund it every single time since. (Was he even in the Senate in March 2003?) Glen Ford says he voted for the war and has funded it ever since. Taibbi says "at least he didn't vote for it." Anyone have a verifiable link to the truth?

There's an awful lot of looseygoosey fact-flingin' going on with these huckster candidates, we'd better be sure.

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I'm sick of all of you negative assholes!
Posted by: BenjamminH on Feb 15, 2007 10:32 AM   
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Much of the posts on this site illustrate the problem many moderates have with the left/liberal/progressive viewpoint.

To wit:
1. Whininess
2. Offering no new position after bashing what one does not agree with.
3. Tiliting at windmills. Noam Chomsky for president? Are you serious?!?!? For one, he's too smart to want the job. Two, do you really think someone who writes such densely (albeit brilliantly) will be able to harness the disparate aspirations of the plurality of Americans.

Here's an idea: How about contacting the lawmakers who actually ARE in power and letting them know how you feel about their work, ideas, etc. We actually do have allies in Washington. I was initially upset when my Republican Congressman (Jim Walsh, NY-28) was re-elected. But you know what? He's against the surge, supports environmental protection, and brings home the bacon to the district.

I think I'm just going to stop reading the comments on this site, because between the morons alluded to above, the trolls, and the 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs, I'm pretty sick of it.

"Without power, ideals cannot be realized. With power, they rarely survive." Fidel Castro

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suck it up and admit.....
Posted by: robmikejas on Feb 15, 2007 11:16 AM   
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There are no patriots among our leaders and future leaders in washington in the sense that Jefferson, Washington, Adams were Patriots. Only corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption. That tune you hear is the American funeral march. This country has passed the point of redemption and we all know it. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, all empty promises. And the general population? Pathetic schmoes drunk on sports, hip hop and breaking news ( the daily dose of Anna Nichole Smith or some such drivel). This Bush War Presidency has defined us, mocked us, and destroyed us. But it is our own arrogance and ignorance and intellectual slothfullness that has sealed our fate. God bless America, as if...

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frank67
Posted by: frank67 on Feb 15, 2007 3:49 PM   
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To paraphrase H L Menken: "boobism is alive and well in the USA." Or maybe Claude Rains had it right: "Round up the usual suspects." Dennis Kucinch is the only real person seeking the Democratic nomination. Of course, since he is real, the MSM and the inside-the-beltway idiots discount Dennis.

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A reality check people
Posted by: UIfan84 on Feb 15, 2007 4:01 PM   
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You will find no bigger supporter of progressive causes than me, but if you think there is any chance to get a straight line progressive who will rubber stamp every liberal cause, than you are mistaken. The fact is, we do live in a country with a lot of crazy conservatives, and sometimes politicians have to work with those whom they oppose ideolically to get things done. I wish we lived in a country were everyone was progressive, but we don't, and if you want to live a country that allows for ideological freedom you will have to learn to compromise on some issues unless you want the government at a stand still.

Secondly, does anyone on the site even know anything about Obama. The idea that he is a fraud (a conservative pretending to be liberal) is, well, stupid quite frankly. I'm from IL so I've got to see Obama's career grow, up close. He has ALWAYS been opposed to going to Iraq. He supports abortion. He sponsored legislation to bar job/housing discrimination against gays and supports civil unions with full rights (but not gay marriage, which is disappointing). He worked on an earned income tax credit for the poor. He worked to restrict handguns and made IL the first state to require police interrogations to be videotaped in criminal investigations.

So before you get all worked up and say that Obama doesn't support liberal causes or that he won't say where he stands on issues, do a little research. Otherwise you sound just like the idiots on Fow News.

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Give Us A Break
Posted by: bloominblacksheep on Feb 16, 2007 5:15 AM   
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Usually I read Alternet for intelligent discourse. Not so this time. Looks like the Dems are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again? Hard to believe..."Team play" appears to be unknown here, just a bunch of raving little egos today and yesterday, with a few worthwhile exceptions. But who would have expected the "racism" on a site like this? It's patently obvious! Must be a bunch of Repub. trolls, or a bunch of people already very jealous of Obama's early success...which is it, People?

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Is Obama Bill Clinton all over again?
Posted by: Urstrly on Feb 16, 2007 5:31 AM   
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It has taken me years to get over Bill Clinton, because I fell really hard for his line about restoring sixties ideals, which he largely repudiated. He is an unrepentant pleaser—of almost everyone, including the Bushes— and it worries me that Barack Obama may be cut from the same cloth.

That said, Obama does inspire me. He seems to have a sense of humor about himself, he actually did the grunt work of community organizing before he went to law school, and I assume he's no skirt-chaser because surely it would have come up by now. Wouldn't it be wonderful if he turned out to be the real thing?

The only other possible candidate who inspires me lately is Senator James Webb, a man of vastly different experience from Obama, but one who has lived his convictions. He's a lot more conservative than Obama says he is, but I have no doubts he speaks truth to power, and as our last two presidents have so clearly demonstrated: character counts.

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I don't get why Kucinich fans
Posted by: adrienne4dean on Feb 16, 2007 5:47 AM   
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think Dennis is so perfect. How come he decided to be pro-choice just in time for his '04 run? How come in the Iowa Caucus, rather than have his losing delegates back the only other anti-war candidate, Howard Dean, he threw them behind Edwards, then still fervently defending his pro-war vote? Peace, schmeece. How about a little consistency/honesty?

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Mundus vult decipi!
Posted by: Orientalist on Feb 16, 2007 6:08 AM   
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Senator Barak Obama and 15 other Democratic Senators voted for the Bankruptcy bill some time ago, Molly Ivins, peace upon her memories, wrote the next day in her column; None of this Democrats should call themselves for Democrats they should be called Republican LIGHT because they were representing the Big Credit corporations instead of "we the people" and she continued with we should never forget that action. And I agree with her 100%!

Obviously the American people suffer badly from Alzheimer's or amnesia or plain stupidity!

Senator Obama is clearly in the pocket of corporate USA and that's the biggest reason why he had come so far as he is!

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One man show
Posted by: PepeLogu on Feb 16, 2007 6:19 AM   
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Wierd how everyone seems to think that if Obama, or Hillary, or McCain is elected president they will somehow rule the nation singlehandedly.

In reality, the president has one job: To communicate the parties ideas and suggestions to the public. We all know Bush is a puppet, right? So will Obama be, his job is to smoothtalk and at that he seems to be a genious and second to none.

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They someone who is not running.
Posted by: pitty on Feb 16, 2007 6:21 AM   
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They say, I would vote for Chomsky in a sec but he ain't running.

I find it funny that many of these people don't live in reality. In fact, I am completely convinced that many are right-wing trolls pretending to be lefties, progs and dems just to stir the pot.

I wouldn't vote for Noam and here is why. Theory is fine but in politics you have TO WORK WITH PEOPLE to get things done! Hillary has proven she can get things done even in the most hostile of environments. Obama has proven he can get things done though he has a lot less time on the national stage.

We need to debate our candidates but we also need to get on it with the other side. Giuliani has experience as a Mayor. Granted it is mayor of our greatest city but a mayor nonetheless. Gov are voted to the Presidency the most because rationally AMericans feel executive level experience at the state level prepares one the best for Presidency. Senators are next in line. Let's see if Rudy's inexperience will receive a blip from MSM.

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a kind of permanent template for the Democratic primary process
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Feb 16, 2007 6:42 AM   
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uh, do ya think so george? err Matt?

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Obama is the wheat version of the Pillsbury doughboy
Posted by: Democritus on Feb 16, 2007 7:30 AM   
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Taibbi has Obama's number. You can't lay a glove on him, because he yields to the punch before it hits. His slick way of disposing of the hapless Biden shows the mark of a master craftsman--first to say Biden "didn't mean it," then to cave in to the race card played by Jackson and Sharpton and sticking it to Biden in a backhanded way. Is Obama the only one progressives can vote for? Wouldn't we prefer someone with a spine? Give me someone like Jim Webb any day. You know he means what he says. Too bad he won't be on the ballot in 2008.

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Barack Obama can win
Posted by: Joecheck on Feb 16, 2007 7:31 AM   
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Barack Obama is a great candidate. I'm from his senate district in Chicago and have voted for him several times and followed his career. I've read his books, met him more than once, gave his campaign some of my teacher pension money. Pay attention and be real, folks.

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zoojudy
Posted by: judykinsman on Feb 16, 2007 7:44 AM   
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So sad that we Dems continue to eat our young.

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Haaretz: Shmuel Rosner
Posted by: rwa on Feb 16, 2007 7:50 AM   
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United States Senator Barack Obama, a Democrat from Illinois who is competing for his party's presidential nomination, told Haaretz on Thursday that the United States should help protect Israel from its "dangerous" enemies...

Obama, the first black candidate with a real chance at the Democratic nomination, intends to present his policy regarding Israel soon, and his staff has been drafting a speech on the subject.

In his speech, Obama intends to remove any doubts that the Democratic Party's donors and constituents, many of whom are Jewish, may have about his support for Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/826665.html

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Wesley Clark
Posted by: boing007 on Feb 16, 2007 8:19 AM   
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Clark/Chafee '08.

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bleh, biii, beeeek, burrrr, deee, dooo, ah
Posted by: hellofriends on Feb 16, 2007 8:24 AM   
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what a mean-spirited and pointless article. why (and with what evidence) would you claim that being multi-cultural. eloquent, intelligent and open-minded is an "act?" If you don't know who Obama is, why not look at his record? The fact that his self-presentation has pop-cultural appeal does not in any way indicate (nevermind prove) that he lacks vision or substance. what every voter seeks is a candidate that they can relate to. your critique of obama seems to be that too many people can relate to him, and that this is somehow some kind of phony trick of his.

as far as i can tell, your other critiques are:

1.) he is good looking
2.) he is good with words
3.) he is not blinded by ideology
4.) he makes use of rhetoric. (like every other politician in the history of the world, as you so astutely point out.)

i have a suspicion that you're making the immature, insecure, envious assumption that if someone is attractive they must be pretty vapid.

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The winner of the '08 election is.....
Posted by: kellysgarden on Feb 16, 2007 8:41 AM   
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The winner of the presidential election in '08 will be whomever the CFR and the Bilderbergers choose to back. In the case of Obama, you have to ask yourself the question of where all his money and backing come from. We the small folks don't really choose our presidents by the black-box voting machines, they are chosen for us, and we are made to conform such that we think we chose them. How else do you explain Bush's re-election?

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DesertPeace:
Posted by: rwa on Feb 16, 2007 8:46 AM   
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I was hoping that when Barack Obama threw his hat in the ring for the Democratic nomination he would give Hillary a 'run for the money'. Instead, he is 'kissing up' to the Lobby with statements about Israel.
Instead of proposing recognition of the new Palestinian Unity Government, he is already hinting that they are the enemy of Israel. Instead of offering a new platform for peace he seems to be willing to keep things just as they are.... seeking out enemies and finding ways to protect Israel from them.
All he has to do is look carefully at the present US Administration, the enemy is right there. They are the ones that have prevented a real peace process from ever developing in the Middle East, they are the ones that have supplied Israel with arms to be used against the civilian population of Palestine.

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Couple of observations on Mr. Taibbi and Mr. Obama
Posted by: MTguy on Feb 16, 2007 8:49 AM   
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We have no idea why we should give Mr. Taibbi's statements any worth. What are his credentials other than he writes for a magazine? His attitude sells well with the younger crowd or he wouldn't be on staff at Rolling Stone.

Mr. Obama is out there running and running early. He's provided us with plenty of time (first primary is 11 months away) to shoot holes in his character and his platform. However he tends to inspire people to try to be the best they can be whether that be as an American or just to be a good neighbor. If you saw his speech at the Democratic National Convention you know exactly what I mean. His interview on 60 Minutes was a Home Run as well. He came off pretty strong there just a couple of days ago.

The cynicism rampant in many of the posts reflects the sour mood of the country. The Uniter has certainly united us on that point. Unless, of course, you're rich. If you haven't gotten richer while Bush has been in office, let's face it - you are a washout as a rich person. Right now the rich are in a foul mood because their tax cuts of late are in serious jeopardy of not being renewed.

In my community here in MT, I see the bottom economic half of the folks living here losing ground against the standard of living. The upper middle class and the rich are riding a strong wave of prosperity. It's all "third stall for the garage" and "boat payments" for those folks.

I think Mr. Obama might be a refreshing change precisely for his inexperience. He hasn't yet learned how to screw us over like the experienced politicians in DC have, but he is pretty dang intelligent. I say, give the guy a chance. Keep the jury out for awhile. See if the proof truly is in Mr. Obama's pudding he's offering us. Meanwhile I'm going to thoroughly enjoy his positive attitude. I've had it with the partisan bickering of the last six years.

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What year is this?
Posted by: eddie torres on Feb 16, 2007 8:59 AM   
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IT'S NOT 2008! THIS IS 2007!

Stop with the culture-of-celebrity-worship already, Americans.

Where is the wall-to-wall corporate media coverage of the $10 billion lost to waste/fraud/abuse in Iraq reconstruction - with $300 billion more yet to be audited?

Instead, you get wall-to-wall Anna Nicole / Hilary / Obama.

Slaves.

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Democrats Back to Eating Their Young
Posted by: David V on Feb 16, 2007 9:11 AM   
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Sure keep shredding Barrack and Hillary. I'm sure the Republicans just LOVE reading this crap.

Ever wonder why the Democrats can't hang onto power lately? It's because liberals insist on each and every candidate conforming to each and every whim and nuance that is part of their own personal ideologies.

So go ahead, rip each other to shreds. Perhaps President Guiliani will be nice to the Democratic Congress in '09. (Provided you guys don't flush THAT opportunity down the shitter either!)

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The Only BS is in Your Article
Posted by: Gravitas on Feb 16, 2007 9:36 AM   
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I really wonder about Alternet sometimes. From poorly written articles that read like Weight Watcher commercials to rambling rants that attack one of the most promising leaders to come along, I wonder who is really behind some of them. Anyone who has ever heard Obama speak in person gets an intuitive sense he is genuine. But one has to have a certain wisdom to recognize it in others. Either this writer is not at that level of consciousness, or he is a front for one of the groups who feels Obama is a real threat. So many groups who claim to be African American are really fronts for white Republicans who only know how to win by dirty tricks.

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Article doesn't even follow comment poster guidelines
Posted by: hapenny on Feb 16, 2007 9:42 AM   
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AlterNet requests no personal attacks and undue profanity, but allows articles like this which is just that. Utter unsubstantiated opinion attacking another person with no other higher purpose beyond just that.

This achieves nothing but destruction. Articles like this are a force of war. If you want something positive in the world you have to CREATE IT and make a constructive contribution, not destroy somebody else. Which is why Obama calls on all of us to leave cynicism behind.

So, please, reflect on that. Let's all work together to help solve our problems.

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Obama is the Real Deal
Posted by: thomasrudbeck on Feb 16, 2007 9:47 AM   
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I wish everbody that likes to thow stones from the sidelines, would look at their own glass house. Unless you turned down a 6 six fiqure salary to work on the south side of chicago or a similar area of this county in need, then please do not call the man a B.S. artist. The Man is pure substance, I grow tired of this idea that he is just another hack. The first time I saw him at an event before the war and he was a speaker at an anti-war protest. He is the change which many of us have waited for years, so everybody that really cares about a peaceful world, an ecoomic policy which is not tiltled to the rich and ending the Corporated Hegemony that exists in our gov't, vote and support Senator Obama.

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What do progressives want?
Posted by: antiapathy on Feb 16, 2007 9:54 AM   
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Do we want to support another watered-down centrist who has been certified as "electable" by the mainstream media?

Do we want to vote for someone who actually represents us ideologically? Could we all agree on one candidate? It would have to be a third party candidate, and they would not come close to winning...

So we are trapped in this between-state, where we don't want to compromise our values, but we are getting tired of voting for someone who does not have any chance of being elected.

Personally, I think we should continue to grow third parties on a grass-roots level. Eventually, they will start winning congressional and statehouse races. But what do we do about the Presidential problem?

After 6 years of dubya, I'm a little sick of conservatives being in power. Frankly, it's killing our nation. At first I thought it would serve as a wake-up call. Americans would see how horribly the conservative policies have screwed them over, and would start voting a little further to the left. I obviously overestimated the capacity of Americans to make rational decisions in the voting booth. as shown in the 2004 election. Things looked a little better in 06, but many of those newly elected Dems are centrists who happen to be against this war because popular opinion is against it.

In the end I don't think presidential politics really matter to progressives. At least not in this stage of our country's development. I think our focus should not be on the mainstream candidate's ideological flaws, or the reasons this or that candidate would be great or is not electable. Instead, we should focus on growing our base locally. If we can't get progressives elected to city councils or state assemblies, how do we expect to win the white house? We need to get people to care about civic life again. Americans are horribly apathetic when it comes to politics, the tend to vote on things like party affiliation and name recognition. Things like general intelligence or position on long-term issues (such as health care) take a back seat to a pretty face and a promise to protect the "sanctity of marriage".

In short, American voters are easily duped. Politicians realize that political success is dependent upon corporate donations. And until the voters get smarter and start caring, we will have to choose between the two wings of the corporate party, or voting for the candidate who is not a corporate schill and hence unelectable.

That said, I'm still voting for Kucinich in the primary and probably the Green candidate in the election.

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Imagine
Posted by: mistery509 on Feb 16, 2007 10:17 AM   
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Just imagine a president who can chew gum and walk at the same time. Imagine a president making a speech that actually makes sense. A president who can visit other countries and who can talk to the people. A negotiator not a terminator.

Are the American people brave enough to elect someone like Barack Obama? Probably not. At least it is a start.

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I don't want a President that is an IDEALOGUE. Maybe that is the diff between me and other progs
Posted by: pitty on Feb 16, 2007 10:19 AM   
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I want someone who can think things through, not a president who has to consult idealogues about what the ideology says is the right thing to do.

One must be qualified and a critical thinker to be a great or good president. Idealogues think everything is black or white and fail to see the shades of gray.

Personally I think Hillary is left leaning but I thank goodness she is not a left idealist or right idealist. Neither of those kind of people live in the real world. One set projects everything they think God would want and the other side expect to never do no harm ever.

In every contest there is a winner and loser and sometimes it might be a tie but someone still loses!

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Sorry to break this to you, but...
Posted by: David V on Feb 16, 2007 10:24 AM   
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...America is typically a centrist nation. Therefore, a moderate, common-sense peaking centrist like Obama appeals to the masses. His approval and popularity isn't due to the media telling us to like him (as some of you have suggested here).

We have two parties in this country - pick one and go with it. If we had more of a European type system with 5 or 6 major parties, they'd be unable to govern without forming working coalitions. That's what we need to create WITHIN the Democratic Party - a coalition of moderates, liberals and greens. Without that, the Republicans will surely be ruling this country again.

I'll repeat this idea once again in the hopes that it sinks it to all reading: stop insisting that every candidate conforms to each and every political nuance that makes up your personal ideologies.

To continue this sort of behavior is to deliver this nation like a prize to the Republican Party, where we can look forward to generations of war, greed and corruption.

The choice is yours.

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More evidence the Progressive moment is insane
Posted by: Boomerang on Feb 16, 2007 10:31 AM   
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Just look at the comments on this article. What a bunch of egotistical children. You wonder why the Left remains so weak and ineffectual in this country, it's because of chieftains like you morons who insist that every person who could create a real change has to fall in lock-step with your every whim.

Part of the political process of democracy in any country is give and take, making compromises and concessions, not stubbornly demanding every little whim and idosyncracy you want and denouncing the people who disagree with you as "corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption" (to quote one of the more inane comments here).

Maybe if you acknowledged that other people have differing opinions from you and they might have a grip on the truth too, you could take off the ash-colored glasses and see that America might be in a rough patch, but we're still doing pretty damn well. Stop with the elitism, stop with the egotism, stop with the whining, stop with the factionalism and maybe someone will actually want to listen to you crybabies for once.

Obama is a great candidate precisely because he's the first liberal in a long time to have some sort of mainstream appeal. He looks like a genuinely nice guy, unlike the elitist northeast blowhards who seem to be the only thing the Democrats can nominate lately.

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Obama sucking AIPAC's ass too.
Posted by: benter on Feb 16, 2007 10:45 AM   
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Obama, just like Hillary and all the rest, has been sucking AIPAC's ass for the all-important "New York money" support. He's owned by Israel jut like the others; nothing will change on Iraq.

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The Obama Illusion
Posted by: dover23 on Feb 16, 2007 10:45 AM   
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Many of these comments posted are only serving the purpose of proving Matt's point. Amusing.

The Obama Illusion

Obama is as genuine as Paul Street is a racist Republican.

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OK, But Let's Pick the Devil with the Shortest Horns
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 16, 2007 12:37 PM   
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Look, at least Obama does not have the Hillary baggage. I mean, yea he is wishy washy on Iraq, but Hillary had her sham fact finding trip there then flip-flopped to try to be in accord with popular opinion against GW Bush on the war. Hillary's campaign finance chest is chock full of big business and big bank IOU's. She flip-flopped on bankruptcy reform when the banks and credit card companies dumped tons of cash in her war chest. As for Israeli, Hillary might as well be her Prime Minister. Of the two types of US Senators and Reps (AIPAC influenced and AIPAC controlled), Hillary is under full AIPAC control. At least Obama is fresh blood, and will initially be AIPAC influenced more than controlled for a while. Finally, politics is the "art of the possible." The American political system is completly corrupted by big business and big money. The "We The People" stuff is illusionary fluff for late night bloggers with nothing better to do. And, if you disagree, what then, throw your vote away again on Nader? No, we have to all realize we have Devils to choose from and lets pick the one with the shortest horns and not shoot ourselves in the foot again.

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You shall judge a man
Posted by: mom'z the word on Feb 16, 2007 12:49 PM   
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by his friends as well as by his foes." Joseph Conrad.

And as we have learned so well by Bush's example, his friends turned out to be America's worst enemies. Bush's friends were appointees, Rummy, Rove, Libby, Cheney, etc. Because appointees are not elected they can have more power and influence on policy making than the President, or Congress combined. Appointees do not answer to the public. It is possible they can do more damage to a democracy because everything they do is in secret, behind closed doors and not subject to public scrutiny.

So to say, if I knew then, what I know now about who Bush was going to put in charge of the Departments of Defense, Secretary of state, Attorney General, Education, FCC, EPA, Bush would never have been elected. After 6 years of exposing Bush's appointees and their private agendas, Bush's rating is at 30%. The measure of human suffering brought on by Bush's team of experts is beyond calculations.

So learning by mistakes is a good thing to remember so as not to repeat them. Therefore, I am not so interested in the candidate’s position on issue as I am concerned about and need to know the people he would appoint when elected. Who would Obama appoint as, for instance, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, EPA, FDA, and FCC. Knowing this speaks volumes on the candidate’s real beliefs. The power to appoint people to powerful positions proved to be Bush's secret weapon.

So, before I cast my vote for a candidate I need them to tell me whom they intend to appointee to cabinet posts. If they say they have not given it any thought or it is too early to commit, then, fair enough. I do not feel like committing either. No one gets my support until I know whom they are going to put in charge of making policies that are going to have a profound and everlasting effect on my life.

And on that note a closing quote from John Locke, philosopher, who said, "I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts." Want to know what the candidates are really thinking; ask them, “If elected, who would be on your cabinet?

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Right on Taibbi!
Posted by: Freedomrider on Feb 16, 2007 1:07 PM   
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"He is exactly what is meant by the term bullshit artist." I was going to write more, but that sentence just sums it all up.

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Cynics
Posted by: bowriter on Feb 16, 2007 1:47 PM   
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I didn't know Alternet was taking their cue from a corporate whore: Rolling Stone. This guy is basically a racist, bigoted redneck writing fro Rolling Stone magazine. And you freaks are lapping it up. . . no wonder you're vilified by the right: get your heads out of your collective assed and take a PoliSci 101 Course: politics takes compromise, independence and a strong vision. Obama (for all of his flaws--oh, jesus, he is a senator!) is exactly what we need right now: a new vision that will help us form a more progressive union in the future.

Utopia didn't happen over night.

Well. . .more drugs for our vision of Kublai Khan. . .

And I love Chomsky, too. . .I'd love to see Howard Zinn his running mate. . .but you know what? Mr. and Mrs. Smith out on main street (for various reasons) does not. . .they might just like Obama.

They vote, you snipe.

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Dragged around....
Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 16, 2007 4:43 PM   
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Quote Barack Obama: In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites ...(unquote)

Anybody who was dragged around like that as a kid isn't going to make much of a leader. More likely, a dictator - for obvious reasons!

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At last! We (blacks) have arrived!
Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 16, 2007 4:49 PM   
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(Quote rwa; the first post on here):-
The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans." (unquote)

You said it, rwa, right on!!!

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Obama .... JFK
Posted by: fdr_vindicated on Feb 16, 2007 4:51 PM   
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Just substitute "John F. Kennedy" for "Obama" in this Rolling Stones Swiftboat broadside and you will see what I mean. JFK's candidacy for the Democratic nomination and his campaign for President didn't contain much substance but a lot of fantastic, effective rhetoric. And he won!

I see a lot of this in Obama. He is shrewd, intelligent, and doesn't suffer from "motor mouth" like so many other politicians. That is why I am pulling for him to win it all in 2008!

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Not fooled
Posted by: truthfinder on Feb 16, 2007 6:10 PM   
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It's obvious that Matt Taibbi and a lot of the bloggers here are either right wing trolls or Hillary supporters. It was an amusing efffort at trying to subvert the Obama campaign. The facts are that neither group can offer America anyone better than Barack Obama.

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rolling stone speaks?
Posted by: wleming on Feb 16, 2007 6:13 PM   
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Don't like Obama... because what? he isn't as "authentic" as the people Rolling Stone shills for every week... i.e. the corporate record business? Obama is as much the corporate candidate spewing the corporate capitalist line-- as are the people at Rolling Stone spewing the corporate record company line. Teen spirit ended at Wal Mart, man: you been on board since day one.

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not so
Posted by: bambino on Feb 16, 2007 7:32 PM   
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when one talks about the kennedy -nixon debates, there is the argument of style vs. talk. kennedy was fresh, young, guick witted, etc. not ponderous. these are the qualities people remember and cherish about kennedy. these are the qualities one sees in obama and why people urged him to run now, and not wait. i dont understand the incredible malice toward the guy by this author. there was not one thing in there that convinced me . but it is rolling stone, over the top commentary and i expect very little substance from them. humble yourself and listen to what people are saying . what you think in your profound wordplay is so irrelevant.

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Ultimate Toilet Test
Posted by: mcartri on Feb 16, 2007 7:42 PM   
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I'm simply exhausted from reading smear pieces on Obama today. This morning I open my Illinois State Journal newspaper to view the 1" by 3/4" photos and columns of the twin sisters of hate and smear, Michele Malkin's "Obama's Wasted Words" and Ann Coulter's "Sounds like Hallmark is writing Obama's speeches". That was breakfast followed by Alternet's hit pieces for dinner. The best of them all is Ann's. Why? She never uses Obama's first name. She's got it down to "B. Hussein Obama". I expect the "B." and "Obama" to disappear soon. How does "Hussein for President" sound? If he wins the presidency, we can expect Ann to announce "W. hands WH to H."

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Obama/Clinton Bullshit Comparison is REAL BULLSHIT
Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 16, 2007 8:01 PM   
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Clinton was a brilliant bullshitter- Obama is also brilliant but I don't believe his upbringing would produce a bullshitter- Obama is for real

So damn what if he doesn't spout verbatim every policy progressives -like me- want?

He's a damn good start and I too am sick of my brother and sister progressives unreality about US elections and their incessant whining- grow up!

I'm still for Gore/Obama ticket in 08-absoluteley unbeatable

Dr.Rick Lippin

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And this is a problem how?
Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 16, 2007 8:41 PM   
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As far as political positioning goes, his strategy seems to be to appear as a sort of ideological Universalist, one who spends a great deal of rhetorical energy showing that he recognizes the validity of all points of view, and conversely emphasizes that when he does take hard positions on issues, he often does so reluctantly.

Y'know, I consider myself as much of a skeptic and cynic of American politics as anyone. Yet I have been impressed by Barak Obama whenever I've heard him speak, and find a bright spark of otherwise sadly-lacking integrity in this man which is lacking in virtually every other candidate with whom I am familiar.

The author's statement above seems to be not too far off the mark...and I must say that this is exactly what I would want in a presidential candidate. What a treat it would be to have an articulate and honorable person for President!

Now the biggest question is: should he truly appear to have a shot at the White House, will "they" let him live?

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Living Colour...I think the term is....... prescient
Posted by: ekipnrut on Feb 16, 2007 11:16 PM   
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Cult of Personality
===============
Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
====================
Oh..BTW..any of you (Eastwood inflection/intonation)
got around to...looking at those links..I
posted upthread....let's see ..did I post three... or... four
Obama (FACT/QUOTE) blasters.....
Oh...and...one more thing Barack (morphed to Columbo) ..
"Yeah..Yeah..what is it"..(visibly agitated....flicks ashes)
The Harvard Law Review ....Uhhhhh...is that the Harvard
of Dershowitz the uber zionist ,Ferguson the apologist for
white supremacist colonial racism and (formerly) Larry
'dumb bitches' Summers?
"Well..I... Uhh...Well ....Yes.....So What...."
.........Get back to you on that..... :o)

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I knew there was a reason I keep resubscribing to RS.
Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 17, 2007 12:04 AM   
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Obama on the other hand can close his eyes and the clichés just pour out of his mouth in huge polysyllabic paragraphs, like Rachmaninoff improvisations. In this sense he's exactly like Bill Clinton, who had the same gift. He is exactly what is meant by the term bullshit artist.

Jeez, is I wasn't already married, and gay marriage was legal, and if I was gay, I'd marry you, Matt.

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Are we the citizens of a democracy?
Posted by: SteveB on Feb 17, 2007 2:14 PM   
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And if so, what should our attitude towards those who have the nerve to think they should be our "leaders"?

I think our attitude should be one of profound skepticism, disrespect and even ridicule.

In a REAL democracy, the citizens would say to someone like Hillary or Obama: "OK, you think you're so great that you should be President? We're not buying it. Maybe we'll let you have the job -- and maybe we won't -- but never forget: we're in charge here, and don't think for a minute you're fooling anyone."

Any other attitude, to quote Theodore Roosevelt, is both base and servile.

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Come on...he's charismatic and not too bad.
Posted by: medstudgeek on Feb 17, 2007 7:18 PM   
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Who do you guys want? Rudy Giuliani? John McCain?

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wow
Posted by: RobbieUMD on Feb 17, 2007 10:45 PM   
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This is a fantastic column. I look forward to Mr. Taibbi's work more than anyone else's on this site. Keep up the good work, Matt!

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Yes, he's clearly one of the bad candidates himself
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 18, 2007 11:02 AM   
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C'mon, Barack babies, you're being sold another banal imperialist Democrat. Just read http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/826665.html

Not that I've ever liked him yet -- my reading, observing, and gut instinct have issued the clarion call of "NO!!!!" but this article is about Obama supporting "Israel's right to defend itself" -- what callous, shallow rhetoric to appeal to AIPAC and back down on any stand for Palestine, land of genocide. Clinton, Obama, Edwards.... anyone to stand up for justice for the victim? And I DON'T mean Israel, for God's sakes!!!!

Let's stop this stupidity- refuse any candidate who doesn't have a clean record of voting or of proclamations about aggressive wars and occupations; who can't appear to the public with a clean conscience.

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Public Campaign Financing Will Give Us Better Candidates
Posted by: Jim Shaw on Feb 20, 2007 12:00 PM   
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I think we put too much hope and energy into debating individual candidates, missing the forest for the trees.

It's clear to me that the current election system selects for candidates who are the best at attracting campaign $$$, rather than those who are most able or most committed to the common good.

Somebody has dubbed public campaign financing as "the reform that makes possible all other reform" and I think they have gotten it right.

I suggest that we agitate for public campaign financing (I myself support Public Campaign), and I predict that should we achieve success (I know it won't be easy), the quality of our candidates will improve markedly.

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Gary J Minter
Posted by: garyjminter on Feb 20, 2007 2:59 PM   
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Well-written and entertaining...I hope there are some Americans who have not totally succumbed to the "Anna Nichole and Superbowl" syndrome...because we often get the government we deserve! (Sometimes, amazingly, better than we deserve!)

Hey, I watched the Superbowl, had to pull for my hometown Bears....and I must confess I stilll watch some of the endless Anna Nichole saga on TV, it's a bit like the OJ trial: morbidly fascinating....and how could we not pay attention to the astronaut in diapers and Brittney's shaved head? We are human, after all....

Yet I also try to read a few books and newspapers now and then, and watch what passes for "news" on TV...Last week I read "Vice", about Dick Cheney, and I started reading Obama's "Audacity of Hope" before I had to "get on the bus"...Obama is a gifted writer, I was truly impressed with his style and the picture he portrayed of his early life... (hope it wasn't ghost-written as so many political books are....)

Maybe Barrack Obama is OK, maybe John Edwards truly means his apology for voting to support the illegal invasion of Iraq...I really don't know.

I voted for Ralph Nader for President (and Edwards for VP) via absentee ballot from China last time, and I will likely vote for Ralph again if he runs, though I know he has no chance of winning....

Sometimes standing up for honesty and principle is more important than winning an election, or gaining money, power, or fame....and Ralph Nader has stood up for principle and truth for many decades.

We need to give third, fourth, and fifth party candidates a chance to speak their views to the American public, whether it's Nader or Perot or Pat Buchanan or the Libertarians or Greens....both major parties are too institutionalized, too corrupted by corporate money, and too distant from the ordinary people of the United States....

I don't like the way the two parties gang up on "minority" or "alternative" parties or on independent-minded individuals (like Nader or Pat Buchanan or Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura or Jesse Jackson), and try to blame them for "splitting the vote" and "costing so and so the election..."

Yes, some of the votes that went to Nader in Florida helped Bush win, but some of the votes that Pat Buchanan took away from Bush could have helped Gore win...

And don't Nader and Buchanan have the right to run for President and speak their views to the American public?

The corporate news media are a big part of the problem; in some ways they are a bigger problem than the politicians, most of whom are "fronts" for their wealthy donors and special-interest groups....the TV and radio networks fail to give fair time and exposure to the more independent-minded candidates with divergent or non-corporate views and opinions. They don't want to offend the sponsors, after all....

So, if someone like Ross Perot gets "out of line" with corporate America by predicting a "giant sucking sound" of jobs lost overseas due to NAFTA, GATT, and WTO, he is labeled as "crazy"....if Ralph Nader offends the corporate owners of the news media by suing negligent automakers, or opposing the invasion of Iraq, or criticizing Israel once in awhile, he is totally ignored and kept out of sight of the TV audience....if Pat Buchanan challenges the Bush family's power structure within the Republican party, he becomes an outcast, a pariah...

I like stability and law and order as much as the next person, but I believe that American politics---or should I say politics in the USA, because Mexico, Canada, and all of Latin America are also part of America, aren't they?---has become fossilized, neutered, and monolithic, not a truly vigorous two-party fight over principles, but only a vigorous fight over who has the power and controls the pork-barrel...
Gary
(Gary J. Minter)

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Obama = Just Another Zionist Pawn
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Feb 20, 2007 10:17 PM   
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Well well well -- look who is courting not only the "New York money people" (quote: Wesley Clark) but also the ultra-Zionist Hollywood elite. Why it's Mr. 'Charisma' Obama of course!

"Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will attend a California fundraiser Tuesday night (02-20-07), hosted by Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen." [among MANY other Hollywood elites; some of the most powerful Jews in Hollywood/Los Angeles]. Hollywood Money and the Presidential Race

Oh well: just another "public figure" bought by these people -- and to think: not even 80-100 years ago these same people (their descendants/tribal bretheren, I mean) were at the forefront of the anti-capitalist/social-justice/anti-materialism movement in Russia, Europe, South America, and even America.

Ah what a difference 80 years and A LOT of money makes.

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Imperial Obama by Glen Ford (excerpt)
Posted by: rwa on Feb 14, 2007 3:07 PM   
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... No one but an imperialist could describe US behavior in Iraq as "coddling" the Iraqis, as Obama said to an establishment foreign policy gathering in Chicago, late last year. His Iraq War De-escalation Act, carefully calibrated to make him appear slightly less belligerent than Hillary Clinton, allows the US to wage war until March 31, 2008, at the very least, and to maintain a military presence in the country thereafter. It is a sham measure, more helpful in buying time for Bush than in encouraging effective dissent.

At his core, Obama is not opposed to US violations of other nations' sovereignty; he simply opposes "dumb wars" ...

There was a time when African Americans were perceived as different than the arrogant, racist "ugly Americans" -- the whites that strutted around other people's nations as if they owned them. In the early years of the Vietnam War, there were many reports of Viet Cong attempts to spare Black American soldiers' lives, if practical, as an acknowledgment of shared suffering under white rule. When Iranian students seized the US embassy in Tehran, in 1979, African Americans were soon released, along with females.

It is difficult to imagine such differentiations being made on foreign shores, today. Colin Powell emerged from Gulf War One as the personification of American military might -- and threat. As Bush's Secretary of State, Powell sacrificed his reputation -- and an immeasurable portion of remaining African American planetary good will -- in a lie-soaked justification of the impending invasion of Iraq before the U.N.

Colin Powell became the Black face of international piracy, to be succeeded by Condoleezza Rice.

In her first act as the Black American female face of imperial aggression, in 2002, then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice could not contain her disappointment at the failure of a US-backed coup against the Venezuelan President. "We do hope that Chávez recognizes that the whole world is watching," she sneered, "and that he takes advantage of this opportunity to right his own ship, which has been moving, frankly, in the wrong direction for quite a long time."

Despite a string of Chavez victories in fair elections and his overwhelming support among the poor and mostly non-white Venezuelan majority, Rice last week loosed another transparent threat against his government. "I believe there is an assault on democracy in Venezuela," she told a congressional committee. "I do believe that the president of Venezuela is really, really destroying his own country, economically, politically." What a spectacle: American imperialism in black-face, threatening a mixed-race president whose government has arguably adopted the most racially progressive and inclusive policies on the South American continent.

When Rice claimed that the US had been meeting with Venezuelan Catholic leaders who were "under fire" from Chavez's government, the vice-president of the Venezuelan Bishops' Conference -- no friend of Chavez -- called her a "liar." Contrast this with Obama's exchange of pleasantries with Rice before voting to confirm her as chief diplomatic operative of the Bush endless war doctrine.

From Beirut to Caracas, Rice is the Black, snarling symbol of US lawlessness -- a perception of our African American "daughter" that the NAACP must not have anticipated when it bestowed on her its Image Award, in 2002.

After two consecutive Black Secretaries of State fronting for a hyper-aggressive US regime, the world no doubt sees Black America in a very different light.

Would Obama be a worse international criminal than Hillary Clinton? My guess is, they'd function identically, as stewards of empire. But an Obama presidency would leave an unindelible impression on the planet: The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans."

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Osama?
Posted by: vermonter on Feb 14, 2007 3:18 PM   
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Taibbi calls him "Osama" in the sixth paragraph...

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You sum it up with
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 14, 2007 3:27 PM   
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"his entire political persona is an ingeniously crafted human cipher, a man without race, ideology, geographic allegiances, or, indeed, sharp edges of any kind." He's an infuriating wuss.

So much for a fresh air of courage and character in politics. What a shame. And I know I will NOT vote for him if he's the guy. Put me down for NONE OF THE ABOVE.

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A small corner for hope
Posted by: opeluboy on Feb 14, 2007 5:18 PM   
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Taibbi pretty much nails it, but I still hold out a small corner of hope in my head that Obama may fool us yet and be somebody.

I did say a small corner.

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Withholding Judgment
Posted by: tiellis on Feb 14, 2007 5:28 PM   
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I have just about given up on presidential politics in America as being anything other than what Orwell called "prolefeed"--a bread-and-circuses distraction concocted every four years to delude us all--the great unwashed, brain-dead TV audience, that is--into thinking that our choices matter, or that we still live in a "democracy." And so, from one election to another, they become more vacuous, more and more like beauty pageants, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Obama is slim and handsome, charismatic, and, as politics goes these days, a "natural"--born to the trade. Of course he is going to continue to be the perfect Rorschach candidate, spinning off comfy cliches on order, someone we can all see ourselves in--this is an integral part of the act for a virtuoso performer. (And ironically, if I were his campaign manager, I would tell him to do exactly that). And of course he will not commit himself to anything that might alienate potential supporters or corporate donors; he will dance around "wedge issues" like abortion and gay rights, throwing an occasional bone to both sides, and he will never lose his cool. He will, in fact, be a veritable Tony Blair figure, glib and amiable to all, neutralizing the left by making it indistinguishable from the "center" (whatever THAT is). And so forth.

All that said, I will probably vote for him, not because it will really change anything of substance, but simply because electing a guy like Obama will send a clear signal to the world, one hopes, that the toxic and grotesquely evil Bush era is finally at an end; that we are ready to rejoin the civilized world.

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Reality
Posted by: bassman on Feb 14, 2007 6:33 PM   
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The readers on this site (which is very anti-Obama in general) tend to be so unrealistic as far as presidential politics go. Man, I wish we could nominate Noam Chomsky or Ralph Nader and watch them sail to the Presidency. I could take pride in that. However, I have a choice between Senator Obama and John Edwards (co-sponsor of Iraq War Resolution, who "cares alot about the poor" since 2004) and Hillary Clinton (Hey, the bushes and clintons own Washington, right)? Try studying Obama's record a little more carefully, and you will understand that he is a good man and you are pessimistic cynics.

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Does it make any difference...........?
Posted by: bohdan on Feb 14, 2007 9:58 PM   
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The State of the Union only shows us that we should never trust any politician.

The Republicans bedded the three sisters of politics: Power, Hate, and Greed.

The Democrats are still searching for the Courage to do anything.

And each is responsible for the other, and the voters for both.

Perhaps we deserved to be the victims of our own stupidity.

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another machine(d) candidate
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 15, 2007 4:19 AM   
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I'm so glad somebody gets it. If someone's being touted (or maybe "tooted") as a plausible presidential candidate, "a candidate who can win," you can pretty much bet that substance is lacking -- but that the candidate is adept at being anything to everyone with the right bucks. Long time ago Joni Mitchell sang about "stoking the star-maker machine behind the popular songs." Let's take a closer look at the star-maker machine behind the presidential candidates and not get fooled again.

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An exercise in cynicism?
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Feb 15, 2007 6:56 AM   
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I am still trying to get the point of this article. I personally think that Presidents should be intelligent, articulate, and comfortable with people at all levels, and that these qualities are strong assets for a candidate. This article seems to belittle all public personality traits, good and bad.

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WHO..do you want?!
Posted by: Gisele on Feb 15, 2007 7:08 AM   
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Everyone seems to know "what" they don't want...but do you know "who" you want? And why?

I've read little but a litany of insults regarding this man, how useless he would be as a president. Can anyone be more useless than the one you have now?

What on earth is wrong with a person knowing the basics of the world's top 3 religions? He'll know how to avoid being used by any of them. What's wrong with being too black, or not black enough? The one thing you can't call this man is a racist. A rarity in Washington by the sounds of it.

Try opening your minds a little, the fact is you're dealing with someone you're not accustomed to: highly intelligent, outspoken, and articulate. When was the last time you saw all three of those qualities in the same president?

Give him a chance.

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fooled again...and again...and again
Posted by: robmikejas on Feb 15, 2007 7:12 AM   
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There are no patriots among our leaders and future leaders in washington in the sense that Jefferson, Washington, Adams were Patriots. Only corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption. That tune you hear is the American funeral march. This country has passed the point of redemption and we all know it. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, all empty promises. And the general population? Pathetic schmoes drunk on sports, hip hop and breaking news ( the daily dose of Anna Nichole Smith or some such drivel). This Bush War Presidency has defined us, mocked us, and destroyed us. But it is our own arrogance and ignorance and intellectual slothfullness that has sealed our fate. God bless America, as if...

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media creation
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Feb 15, 2007 7:32 AM   
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The truth be told about Obama. He is nothing more than a media hyped political creation. Yes he talks real smooth like a good black preacher (without the accenuations.... thank you Lord!) and his message is just a lot of populist pap without any real substance. Its just like what Limbaugh said about Donovan McNabb and the media. It wasn't that the black McNabb was such a great QB but that the media was totally consumed in hyping a black QB. I see no real difference with Obama. He'll stay somewhere around 15% in the polls and eventually he'll drop out (probably to become Hillary's VP running mate). As far as his presidential aspirations are concerned. He'll be like a fresh cow turd on a cold November morning. He'll steam for a little while and then he'll be no more. Just a chunk of frozen poop.

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Whoa, what insight!
Posted by: gretavo on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM   
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Nice, Matt. I hadn't figured out that Obama was given a prime speaking spot at the 04 convention because he was going to be offered up as the next big thing soon after. Brilliant. Any progress to report on the column you said you were going to write debunking the physics of 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

I think it's funny that after the disaster that was your first column on the issue Alternet had to get Sander Hicks to trot out some BS limited hangout about how maybe they let it happen on purpose.

You guys...

So, what's the word, Matt? Figure out how building 7 fell yet? An explanation of the molten steel, pulverized concrete, and free fall speed of the towers?

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Roll Call
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM   
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From- The American Public
To- All Current US Representatives & Senators

Members of Congress running for President in '08

Since we elected & are paying you to do a job already, your attendance to the affairs of Congress is demanded. Translation: Get your ass back to Washington, D.C. and get busy. If you wish to seek other employment, resign your current seat so we can get the representation we, the voters and taxpayers, are entitled to and already pay for. The choice is yours, resign or govern. Seriously.

The American People

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Dennis
Posted by: karyse on Feb 15, 2007 9:03 AM   
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So how come the media, and everyone else ignores Kucinich? Is it because of what I've alwasy suspected, that the only possible name to be presidnet starts with a consonant, ends in a consonant, and is usually only one or two syllables long? (Ford, Carter, Regan, Clinton, Bush, Hoover, Wilson, Johnson, Nixon, Lincoln, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Cleveland, Roosevelt, Taft, Harding, Coolidge, Truman). Of the last twenty presidents there are a couple of exceptions, Kennedy (went by Jack), Eisenhower (the exception that proves the rule and in any case his was close to 50 years ago).

Edwards has a shot at it because of Adams, and notice that Obama is often refered to as Barack.

And Dennis, the best choice of the field for anyone interested in ending imperialist aggression is completely ignored, which is interesting because for the first time in more years than I care to remember, here is a man that would restore America.

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DD
Posted by: Thinker on Feb 15, 2007 9:08 AM   
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Right on! Let's get Congress to enact legislation limiting campaigning to maybe 6 mos. There is so much to be done in congress that we need our senators and congressmen working overtime to manage the needs of our nation.

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Fabienne
Posted by: Fabienne on Feb 15, 2007 9:16 AM   
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Though I believe that it is impossible to be a member of our political system in this day and age without being somewhat tainted and compromised, I am astounded at the lack of knowledge regarding Obama in this post. I would suggest going to his website to see some substantive positions on the issues, though they may not be as liberal as you, or I, would like. Furthermore, you might check out his past. He always opposed the war in Iraq and attended an anti-war rally before it began, which puts his prescience far above any of the other Democratic candidates except Kucinich (who, really, doesn't have a chance to win the nomination). Furthermore, he turned down a six-figure job with a prominent Chicago law firm to work for a small non-profit firm doing community organizing. And if you fault him for being articulate and positive in his outlook, then it would seem Bush is your man, as he is neither.

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When all the words have already been spoken...
Posted by: jhbeck23 on Feb 15, 2007 9:28 AM   
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With how many thousands of candidates running more or less full time for everything, each with at least one speech, and tens of thousands more writing about the speeches and candidates, what chance is there for really new things to be said?

Style, then, or artistry, is the only possibility for originality, becomes its own statement, becomes a deed. It is only the first stage of the deeds that need to be done, and the second stage involves what a person does when real power is available to her or to him.

Bill Clinton let us down in many ways, and we can look back and see where his lacks were. Obama, then. Is he emotionally insecure? Is he looking for a father? Does he have reflexive needs? Someone who can write about himself so well has certainly got a strong shell, and perhaps behind it a strong enough character to use the presidency's lever to move the Earth a little bit closer to humane ideals.

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Nice Going Matt
Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE on Feb 15, 2007 10:02 AM   
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I guess it's true - no one does a better job of tearing down potential democratic candidates than democrats themselves. I can see the point in being cynical, or skeptical, if your goal is truth, but it seems like the only point of this piece is to show how brilliant the author is compared to the rest of us gullible simps. All I can say is, I hope I never reach this level of cynicism.

Tell us who you think is genuine, intelligent, and good enough for you, Matt. I can almost guarantee that if you come up with someone, whoever it is would get creamed by Mitt Romney! I'll take back the Whithouse from the neocons with the best horse I can find and you can continue to write all the clever columns you want and snigger at us poor gullible folks.

Enjoy your life!

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Matt Who??
Posted by: Saitia on Feb 15, 2007 10:13 AM   
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MT: "I have no idea who Obama really is. . ."

That's right, Taibbi; you don't.
You wouldn't know a real leader if one kicked you square in the ass.

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His vote was against the war, not for it?
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 15, 2007 10:28 AM   
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Seems like there's some basic fact checking required here. Democracy Now reported he voted for the Iraq war and has voted to fund it every single time since. (Was he even in the Senate in March 2003?) Glen Ford says he voted for the war and has funded it ever since. Taibbi says "at least he didn't vote for it." Anyone have a verifiable link to the truth?

There's an awful lot of looseygoosey fact-flingin' going on with these huckster candidates, we'd better be sure.

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I'm sick of all of you negative assholes!
Posted by: BenjamminH on Feb 15, 2007 10:32 AM   
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Much of the posts on this site illustrate the problem many moderates have with the left/liberal/progressive viewpoint.

To wit:
1. Whininess
2. Offering no new position after bashing what one does not agree with.
3. Tiliting at windmills. Noam Chomsky for president? Are you serious?!?!? For one, he's too smart to want the job. Two, do you really think someone who writes such densely (albeit brilliantly) will be able to harness the disparate aspirations of the plurality of Americans.

Here's an idea: How about contacting the lawmakers who actually ARE in power and letting them know how you feel about their work, ideas, etc. We actually do have allies in Washington. I was initially upset when my Republican Congressman (Jim Walsh, NY-28) was re-elected. But you know what? He's against the surge, supports environmental protection, and brings home the bacon to the district.

I think I'm just going to stop reading the comments on this site, because between the morons alluded to above, the trolls, and the 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs, I'm pretty sick of it.

"Without power, ideals cannot be realized. With power, they rarely survive." Fidel Castro

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suck it up and admit.....
Posted by: robmikejas on Feb 15, 2007 11:16 AM   
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There are no patriots among our leaders and future leaders in washington in the sense that Jefferson, Washington, Adams were Patriots. Only corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption. That tune you hear is the American funeral march. This country has passed the point of redemption and we all know it. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, all empty promises. And the general population? Pathetic schmoes drunk on sports, hip hop and breaking news ( the daily dose of Anna Nichole Smith or some such drivel). This Bush War Presidency has defined us, mocked us, and destroyed us. But it is our own arrogance and ignorance and intellectual slothfullness that has sealed our fate. God bless America, as if...

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frank67
Posted by: frank67 on Feb 15, 2007 3:49 PM   
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To paraphrase H L Menken: "boobism is alive and well in the USA." Or maybe Claude Rains had it right: "Round up the usual suspects." Dennis Kucinch is the only real person seeking the Democratic nomination. Of course, since he is real, the MSM and the inside-the-beltway idiots discount Dennis.

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A reality check people
Posted by: UIfan84 on Feb 15, 2007 4:01 PM   
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You will find no bigger supporter of progressive causes than me, but if you think there is any chance to get a straight line progressive who will rubber stamp every liberal cause, than you are mistaken. The fact is, we do live in a country with a lot of crazy conservatives, and sometimes politicians have to work with those whom they oppose ideolically to get things done. I wish we lived in a country were everyone was progressive, but we don't, and if you want to live a country that allows for ideological freedom you will have to learn to compromise on some issues unless you want the government at a stand still.

Secondly, does anyone on the site even know anything about Obama. The idea that he is a fraud (a conservative pretending to be liberal) is, well, stupid quite frankly. I'm from IL so I've got to see Obama's career grow, up close. He has ALWAYS been opposed to going to Iraq. He supports abortion. He sponsored legislation to bar job/housing discrimination against gays and supports civil unions with full rights (but not gay marriage, which is disappointing). He worked on an earned income tax credit for the poor. He worked to restrict handguns and made IL the first state to require police interrogations to be videotaped in criminal investigations.

So before you get all worked up and say that Obama doesn't support liberal causes or that he won't say where he stands on issues, do a little research. Otherwise you sound just like the idiots on Fow News.

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Give Us A Break
Posted by: bloominblacksheep on Feb 16, 2007 5:15 AM   
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Usually I read Alternet for intelligent discourse. Not so this time. Looks like the Dems are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again? Hard to believe..."Team play" appears to be unknown here, just a bunch of raving little egos today and yesterday, with a few worthwhile exceptions. But who would have expected the "racism" on a site like this? It's patently obvious! Must be a bunch of Repub. trolls, or a bunch of people already very jealous of Obama's early success...which is it, People?

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Is Obama Bill Clinton all over again?
Posted by: Urstrly on Feb 16, 2007 5:31 AM   
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It has taken me years to get over Bill Clinton, because I fell really hard for his line about restoring sixties ideals, which he largely repudiated. He is an unrepentant pleaser—of almost everyone, including the Bushes— and it worries me that Barack Obama may be cut from the same cloth.

That said, Obama does inspire me. He seems to have a sense of humor about himself, he actually did the grunt work of community organizing before he went to law school, and I assume he's no skirt-chaser because surely it would have come up by now. Wouldn't it be wonderful if he turned out to be the real thing?

The only other possible candidate who inspires me lately is Senator James Webb, a man of vastly different experience from Obama, but one who has lived his convictions. He's a lot more conservative than Obama says he is, but I have no doubts he speaks truth to power, and as our last two presidents have so clearly demonstrated: character counts.

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I don't get why Kucinich fans
Posted by: adrienne4dean on Feb 16, 2007 5:47 AM   
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think Dennis is so perfect. How come he decided to be pro-choice just in time for his '04 run? How come in the Iowa Caucus, rather than have his losing delegates back the only other anti-war candidate, Howard Dean, he threw them behind Edwards, then still fervently defending his pro-war vote? Peace, schmeece. How about a little consistency/honesty?

*****A

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Mundus vult decipi!
Posted by: Orientalist on Feb 16, 2007 6:08 AM   
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Senator Barak Obama and 15 other Democratic Senators voted for the Bankruptcy bill some time ago, Molly Ivins, peace upon her memories, wrote the next day in her column; None of this Democrats should call themselves for Democrats they should be called Republican LIGHT because they were representing the Big Credit corporations instead of "we the people" and she continued with we should never forget that action. And I agree with her 100%!

Obviously the American people suffer badly from Alzheimer's or amnesia or plain stupidity!

Senator Obama is clearly in the pocket of corporate USA and that's the biggest reason why he had come so far as he is!

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One man show
Posted by: PepeLogu on Feb 16, 2007 6:19 AM   
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Wierd how everyone seems to think that if Obama, or Hillary, or McCain is elected president they will somehow rule the nation singlehandedly.

In reality, the president has one job: To communicate the parties ideas and suggestions to the public. We all know Bush is a puppet, right? So will Obama be, his job is to smoothtalk and at that he seems to be a genious and second to none.

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They someone who is not running.
Posted by: pitty on Feb 16, 2007 6:21 AM   
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They say, I would vote for Chomsky in a sec but he ain't running.

I find it funny that many of these people don't live in reality. In fact, I am completely convinced that many are right-wing trolls pretending to be lefties, progs and dems just to stir the pot.

I wouldn't vote for Noam and here is why. Theory is fine but in politics you have TO WORK WITH PEOPLE to get things done! Hillary has proven she can get things done even in the most hostile of environments. Obama has proven he can get things done though he has a lot less time on the national stage.

We need to debate our candidates but we also need to get on it with the other side. Giuliani has experience as a Mayor. Granted it is mayor of our greatest city but a mayor nonetheless. Gov are voted to the Presidency the most because rationally AMericans feel executive level experience at the state level prepares one the best for Presidency. Senators are next in line. Let's see if Rudy's inexperience will receive a blip from MSM.

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a kind of permanent template for the Democratic primary process
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Feb 16, 2007 6:42 AM   
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uh, do ya think so george? err Matt?

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Obama is the wheat version of the Pillsbury doughboy
Posted by: Democritus on Feb 16, 2007 7:30 AM   
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Taibbi has Obama's number. You can't lay a glove on him, because he yields to the punch before it hits. His slick way of disposing of the hapless Biden shows the mark of a master craftsman--first to say Biden "didn't mean it," then to cave in to the race card played by Jackson and Sharpton and sticking it to Biden in a backhanded way. Is Obama the only one progressives can vote for? Wouldn't we prefer someone with a spine? Give me someone like Jim Webb any day. You know he means what he says. Too bad he won't be on the ballot in 2008.

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Barack Obama can win
Posted by: Joecheck on Feb 16, 2007 7:31 AM   
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Barack Obama is a great candidate. I'm from his senate district in Chicago and have voted for him several times and followed his career. I've read his books, met him more than once, gave his campaign some of my teacher pension money. Pay attention and be real, folks.

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zoojudy
Posted by: judykinsman on Feb 16, 2007 7:44 AM   
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So sad that we Dems continue to eat our young.

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Haaretz: Shmuel Rosner
Posted by: rwa on Feb 16, 2007 7:50 AM   
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United States Senator Barack Obama, a Democrat from Illinois who is competing for his party's presidential nomination, told Haaretz on Thursday that the United States should help protect Israel from its "dangerous" enemies...

Obama, the first black candidate with a real chance at the Democratic nomination, intends to present his policy regarding Israel soon, and his staff has been drafting a speech on the subject.

In his speech, Obama intends to remove any doubts that the Democratic Party's donors and constituents, many of whom are Jewish, may have about his support for Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/826665.html

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Wesley Clark
Posted by: boing007 on Feb 16, 2007 8:19 AM   
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Clark/Chafee '08.

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bleh, biii, beeeek, burrrr, deee, dooo, ah
Posted by: hellofriends on Feb 16, 2007 8:24 AM   
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what a mean-spirited and pointless article. why (and with what evidence) would you claim that being multi-cultural. eloquent, intelligent and open-minded is an "act?" If you don't know who Obama is, why not look at his record? The fact that his self-presentation has pop-cultural appeal does not in any way indicate (nevermind prove) that he lacks vision or substance. what every voter seeks is a candidate that they can relate to. your critique of obama seems to be that too many people can relate to him, and that this is somehow some kind of phony trick of his.

as far as i can tell, your other critiques are:

1.) he is good looking
2.) he is good with words
3.) he is not blinded by ideology
4.) he makes use of rhetoric. (like every other politician in the history of the world, as you so astutely point out.)

i have a suspicion that you're making the immature, insecure, envious assumption that if someone is attractive they must be pretty vapid.

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The winner of the '08 election is.....
Posted by: kellysgarden on Feb 16, 2007 8:41 AM   
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The winner of the presidential election in '08 will be whomever the CFR and the Bilderbergers choose to back. In the case of Obama, you have to ask yourself the question of where all his money and backing come from. We the small folks don't really choose our presidents by the black-box voting machines, they are chosen for us, and we are made to conform such that we think we chose them. How else do you explain Bush's re-election?

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DesertPeace:
Posted by: rwa on Feb 16, 2007 8:46 AM   
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I was hoping that when Barack Obama threw his hat in the ring for the Democratic nomination he would give Hillary a 'run for the money'. Instead, he is 'kissing up' to the Lobby with statements about Israel.
Instead of proposing recognition of the new Palestinian Unity Government, he is already hinting that they are the enemy of Israel. Instead of offering a new platform for peace he seems to be willing to keep things just as they are.... seeking out enemies and finding ways to protect Israel from them.
All he has to do is look carefully at the present US Administration, the enemy is right there. They are the ones that have prevented a real peace process from ever developing in the Middle East, they are the ones that have supplied Israel with arms to be used against the civilian population of Palestine.

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Couple of observations on Mr. Taibbi and Mr. Obama
Posted by: MTguy on Feb 16, 2007 8:49 AM   
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We have no idea why we should give Mr. Taibbi's statements any worth. What are his credentials other than he writes for a magazine? His attitude sells well with the younger crowd or he wouldn't be on staff at Rolling Stone.

Mr. Obama is out there running and running early. He's provided us with plenty of time (first primary is 11 months away) to shoot holes in his character and his platform. However he tends to inspire people to try to be the best they can be whether that be as an American or just to be a good neighbor. If you saw his speech at the Democratic National Convention you know exactly what I mean. His interview on 60 Minutes was a Home Run as well. He came off pretty strong there just a couple of days ago.

The cynicism rampant in many of the posts reflects the sour mood of the country. The Uniter has certainly united us on that point. Unless, of course, you're rich. If you haven't gotten richer while Bush has been in office, let's face it - you are a washout as a rich person. Right now the rich are in a foul mood because their tax cuts of late are in serious jeopardy of not being renewed.

In my community here in MT, I see the bottom economic half of the folks living here losing ground against the standard of living. The upper middle class and the rich are riding a strong wave of prosperity. It's all "third stall for the garage" and "boat payments" for those folks.

I think Mr. Obama might be a refreshing change precisely for his inexperience. He hasn't yet learned how to screw us over like the experienced politicians in DC have, but he is pretty dang intelligent. I say, give the guy a chance. Keep the jury out for awhile. See if the proof truly is in Mr. Obama's pudding he's offering us. Meanwhile I'm going to thoroughly enjoy his positive attitude. I've had it with the partisan bickering of the last six years.

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What year is this?
Posted by: eddie torres on Feb 16, 2007 8:59 AM   
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IT'S NOT 2008! THIS IS 2007!

Stop with the culture-of-celebrity-worship already, Americans.

Where is the wall-to-wall corporate media coverage of the $10 billion lost to waste/fraud/abuse in Iraq reconstruction - with $300 billion more yet to be audited?

Instead, you get wall-to-wall Anna Nicole / Hilary / Obama.

Slaves.

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Democrats Back to Eating Their Young
Posted by: David V on Feb 16, 2007 9:11 AM   
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Sure keep shredding Barrack and Hillary. I'm sure the Republicans just LOVE reading this crap.

Ever wonder why the Democrats can't hang onto power lately? It's because liberals insist on each and every candidate conforming to each and every whim and nuance that is part of their own personal ideologies.

So go ahead, rip each other to shreds. Perhaps President Guiliani will be nice to the Democratic Congress in '09. (Provided you guys don't flush THAT opportunity down the shitter either!)

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The Only BS is in Your Article
Posted by: Gravitas on Feb 16, 2007 9:36 AM   
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I really wonder about Alternet sometimes. From poorly written articles that read like Weight Watcher commercials to rambling rants that attack one of the most promising leaders to come along, I wonder who is really behind some of them. Anyone who has ever heard Obama speak in person gets an intuitive sense he is genuine. But one has to have a certain wisdom to recognize it in others. Either this writer is not at that level of consciousness, or he is a front for one of the groups who feels Obama is a real threat. So many groups who claim to be African American are really fronts for white Republicans who only know how to win by dirty tricks.

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Article doesn't even follow comment poster guidelines
Posted by: hapenny on Feb 16, 2007 9:42 AM   
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AlterNet requests no personal attacks and undue profanity, but allows articles like this which is just that. Utter unsubstantiated opinion attacking another person with no other higher purpose beyond just that.

This achieves nothing but destruction. Articles like this are a force of war. If you want something positive in the world you have to CREATE IT and make a constructive contribution, not destroy somebody else. Which is why Obama calls on all of us to leave cynicism behind.

So, please, reflect on that. Let's all work together to help solve our problems.

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Obama is the Real Deal
Posted by: thomasrudbeck on Feb 16, 2007 9:47 AM   
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I wish everbody that likes to thow stones from the sidelines, would look at their own glass house. Unless you turned down a 6 six fiqure salary to work on the south side of chicago or a similar area of this county in need, then please do not call the man a B.S. artist. The Man is pure substance, I grow tired of this idea that he is just another hack. The first time I saw him at an event before the war and he was a speaker at an anti-war protest. He is the change which many of us have waited for years, so everybody that really cares about a peaceful world, an ecoomic policy which is not tiltled to the rich and ending the Corporated Hegemony that exists in our gov't, vote and support Senator Obama.

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What do progressives want?
Posted by: antiapathy on Feb 16, 2007 9:54 AM   
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Do we want to support another watered-down centrist who has been certified as "electable" by the mainstream media?

Do we want to vote for someone who actually represents us ideologically? Could we all agree on one candidate? It would have to be a third party candidate, and they would not come close to winning...

So we are trapped in this between-state, where we don't want to compromise our values, but we are getting tired of voting for someone who does not have any chance of being elected.

Personally, I think we should continue to grow third parties on a grass-roots level. Eventually, they will start winning congressional and statehouse races. But what do we do about the Presidential problem?

After 6 years of dubya, I'm a little sick of conservatives being in power. Frankly, it's killing our nation. At first I thought it would serve as a wake-up call. Americans would see how horribly the conservative policies have screwed them over, and would start voting a little further to the left. I obviously overestimated the capacity of Americans to make rational decisions in the voting booth. as shown in the 2004 election. Things looked a little better in 06, but many of those newly elected Dems are centrists who happen to be against this war because popular opinion is against it.

In the end I don't think presidential politics really matter to progressives. At least not in this stage of our country's development. I think our focus should not be on the mainstream candidate's ideological flaws, or the reasons this or that candidate would be great or is not electable. Instead, we should focus on growing our base locally. If we can't get progressives elected to city councils or state assemblies, how do we expect to win the white house? We need to get people to care about civic life again. Americans are horribly apathetic when it comes to politics, the tend to vote on things like party affiliation and name recognition. Things like general intelligence or position on long-term issues (such as health care) take a back seat to a pretty face and a promise to protect the "sanctity of marriage".

In short, American voters are easily duped. Politicians realize that political success is dependent upon corporate donations. And until the voters get smarter and start caring, we will have to choose between the two wings of the corporate party, or voting for the candidate who is not a corporate schill and hence unelectable.

That said, I'm still voting for Kucinich in the primary and probably the Green candidate in the election.

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Imagine
Posted by: mistery509 on Feb 16, 2007 10:17 AM   
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Just imagine a president who can chew gum and walk at the same time. Imagine a president making a speech that actually makes sense. A president who can visit other countries and who can talk to the people. A negotiator not a terminator.

Are the American people brave enough to elect someone like Barack Obama? Probably not. At least it is a start.

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I don't want a President that is an IDEALOGUE. Maybe that is the diff between me and other progs
Posted by: pitty on Feb 16, 2007 10:19 AM   
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I want someone who can think things through, not a president who has to consult idealogues about what the ideology says is the right thing to do.

One must be qualified and a critical thinker to be a great or good president. Idealogues think everything is black or white and fail to see the shades of gray.

Personally I think Hillary is left leaning but I thank goodness she is not a left idealist or right idealist. Neither of those kind of people live in the real world. One set projects everything they think God would want and the other side expect to never do no harm ever.

In every contest there is a winner and loser and sometimes it might be a tie but someone still loses!

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Sorry to break this to you, but...
Posted by: David V on Feb 16, 2007 10:24 AM   
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...America is typically a centrist nation. Therefore, a moderate, common-sense peaking centrist like Obama appeals to the masses. His approval and popularity isn't due to the media telling us to like him (as some of you have suggested here).

We have two parties in this country - pick one and go with it. If we had more of a European type system with 5 or 6 major parties, they'd be unable to govern without forming working coalitions. That's what we need to create WITHIN the Democratic Party - a coalition of moderates, liberals and greens. Without that, the Republicans will surely be ruling this country again.

I'll repeat this idea once again in the hopes that it sinks it to all reading: stop insisting that every candidate conforms to each and every political nuance that makes up your personal ideologies.

To continue this sort of behavior is to deliver this nation like a prize to the Republican Party, where we can look forward to generations of war, greed and corruption.

The choice is yours.

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More evidence the Progressive moment is insane
Posted by: Boomerang on Feb 16, 2007 10:31 AM   
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Just look at the comments on this article. What a bunch of egotistical children. You wonder why the Left remains so weak and ineffectual in this country, it's because of chieftains like you morons who insist that every person who could create a real change has to fall in lock-step with your every whim.

Part of the political process of democracy in any country is give and take, making compromises and concessions, not stubbornly demanding every little whim and idosyncracy you want and denouncing the people who disagree with you as "corporate monkeys dancing to the organ grinder of corruption" (to quote one of the more inane comments here).

Maybe if you acknowledged that other people have differing opinions from you and they might have a grip on the truth too, you could take off the ash-colored glasses and see that America might be in a rough patch, but we're still doing pretty damn well. Stop with the elitism, stop with the egotism, stop with the whining, stop with the factionalism and maybe someone will actually want to listen to you crybabies for once.

Obama is a great candidate precisely because he's the first liberal in a long time to have some sort of mainstream appeal. He looks like a genuinely nice guy, unlike the elitist northeast blowhards who seem to be the only thing the Democrats can nominate lately.

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Obama sucking AIPAC's ass too.
Posted by: benter on Feb 16, 2007 10:45 AM   
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Obama, just like Hillary and all the rest, has been sucking AIPAC's ass for the all-important "New York money" support. He's owned by Israel jut like the others; nothing will change on Iraq.

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The Obama Illusion
Posted by: dover23 on Feb 16, 2007 10:45 AM   
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Many of these comments posted are only serving the purpose of proving Matt's point. Amusing.

The Obama Illusion

Obama is as genuine as Paul Street is a racist Republican.

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OK, But Let's Pick the Devil with the Shortest Horns
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 16, 2007 12:37 PM   
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Look, at least Obama does not have the Hillary baggage. I mean, yea he is wishy washy on Iraq, but Hillary had her sham fact finding trip there then flip-flopped to try to be in accord with popular opinion against GW Bush on the war. Hillary's campaign finance chest is chock full of big business and big bank IOU's. She flip-flopped on bankruptcy reform when the banks and credit card companies dumped tons of cash in her war chest. As for Israeli, Hillary might as well be her Prime Minister. Of the two types of US Senators and Reps (AIPAC influenced and AIPAC controlled), Hillary is under full AIPAC control. At least Obama is fresh blood, and will initially be AIPAC influenced more than controlled for a while. Finally, politics is the "art of the possible." The American political system is completly corrupted by big business and big money. The "We The People" stuff is illusionary fluff for late night bloggers with nothing better to do. And, if you disagree, what then, throw your vote away again on Nader? No, we have to all realize we have Devils to choose from and lets pick the one with the shortest horns and not shoot ourselves in the foot again.

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You shall judge a man
Posted by: mom'z the word on Feb 16, 2007 12:49 PM   
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by his friends as well as by his foes." Joseph Conrad.

And as we have learned so well by Bush's example, his friends turned out to be America's worst enemies. Bush's friends were appointees, Rummy, Rove, Libby, Cheney, etc. Because appointees are not elected they can have more power and influence on policy making than the President, or Congress combined. Appointees do not answer to the public. It is possible they can do more damage to a democracy because everything they do is in secret, behind closed doors and not subject to public scrutiny.

So to say, if I knew then, what I know now about who Bush was going to put in charge of the Departments of Defense, Secretary of state, Attorney General, Education, FCC, EPA, Bush would never have been elected. After 6 years of exposing Bush's appointees and their private agendas, Bush's rating is at 30%. The measure of human suffering brought on by Bush's team of experts is beyond calculations.

So learning by mistakes is a good thing to remember so as not to repeat them. Therefore, I am not so interested in the candidate’s position on issue as I am concerned about and need to know the people he would appoint when elected. Who would Obama appoint as, for instance, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, EPA, FDA, and FCC. Knowing this speaks volumes on the candidate’s real beliefs. The power to appoint people to powerful positions proved to be Bush's secret weapon.

So, before I cast my vote for a candidate I need them to tell me whom they intend to appointee to cabinet posts. If they say they have not given it any thought or it is too early to commit, then, fair enough. I do not feel like committing either. No one gets my support until I know whom they are going to put in charge of making policies that are going to have a profound and everlasting effect on my life.

And on that note a closing quote from John Locke, philosopher, who said, "I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts." Want to know what the candidates are really thinking; ask them, “If elected, who would be on your cabinet?

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Right on Taibbi!
Posted by: Freedomrider on Feb 16, 2007 1:07 PM   
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"He is exactly what is meant by the term bullshit artist." I was going to write more, but that sentence just sums it all up.

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Cynics
Posted by: bowriter on Feb 16, 2007 1:47 PM   
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I didn't know Alternet was taking their cue from a corporate whore: Rolling Stone. This guy is basically a racist, bigoted redneck writing fro Rolling Stone magazine. And you freaks are lapping it up. . . no wonder you're vilified by the right: get your heads out of your collective assed and take a PoliSci 101 Course: politics takes compromise, independence and a strong vision. Obama (for all of his flaws--oh, jesus, he is a senator!) is exactly what we need right now: a new vision that will help us form a more progressive union in the future.

Utopia didn't happen over night.

Well. . .more drugs for our vision of Kublai Khan. . .

And I love Chomsky, too. . .I'd love to see Howard Zinn his running mate. . .but you know what? Mr. and Mrs. Smith out on main street (for various reasons) does not. . .they might just like Obama.

They vote, you snipe.

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Dragged around....
Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 16, 2007 4:43 PM   
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Quote Barack Obama: In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites ...(unquote)

Anybody who was dragged around like that as a kid isn't going to make much of a leader. More likely, a dictator - for obvious reasons!

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At last! We (blacks) have arrived!
Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 16, 2007 4:49 PM   
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(Quote rwa; the first post on here):-
The Blacks of the United States have arrived! They, too, are "ugly Americans." (unquote)

You said it, rwa, right on!!!

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Obama .... JFK
Posted by: fdr_vindicated on Feb 16, 2007 4:51 PM   
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Just substitute "John F. Kennedy" for "Obama" in this Rolling Stones Swiftboat broadside and you will see what I mean. JFK's candidacy for the Democratic nomination and his campaign for President didn't contain much substance but a lot of fantastic, effective rhetoric. And he won!

I see a lot of this in Obama. He is shrewd, intelligent, and doesn't suffer from "motor mouth" like so many other politicians. That is why I am pulling for him to win it all in 2008!

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Not fooled
Posted by: truthfinder on Feb 16, 2007 6:10 PM   
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It's obvious that Matt Taibbi and a lot of the bloggers here are either right wing trolls or Hillary supporters. It was an amusing efffort at trying to subvert the Obama campaign. The facts are that neither group can offer America anyone better than Barack Obama.

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rolling stone speaks?
Posted by: wleming on Feb 16, 2007 6:13 PM   
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Don't like Obama... because what? he isn't as "authentic" as the people Rolling Stone shills for every week... i.e. the corporate record business? Obama is as much the corporate candidate spewing the corporate capitalist line-- as are the people at Rolling Stone spewing the corporate record company line. Teen spirit ended at Wal Mart, man: you been on board since day one.

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not so
Posted by: bambino on Feb 16, 2007 7:32 PM   
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when one talks about the kennedy -nixon debates, there is the argument of style vs. talk. kennedy was fresh, young, guick witted, etc. not ponderous. these are the qualities people remember and cherish about kennedy. these are the qualities one sees in obama and why people urged him to run now, and not wait. i dont understand the incredible malice toward the guy by this author. there was not one thing in there that convinced me . but it is rolling stone, over the top commentary and i expect very little substance from them. humble yourself and listen to what people are saying . what you think in your profound wordplay is so irrelevant.

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Ultimate Toilet Test
Posted by: mcartri on Feb 16, 2007 7:42 PM   
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I'm simply exhausted from reading smear pieces on Obama today. This morning I open my Illinois State Journal newspaper to view the 1" by 3/4" photos and columns of the twin sisters of hate and smear, Michele Malkin's "Obama's Wasted Words" and Ann Coulter's "Sounds like Hallmark is writing Obama's speeches". That was breakfast followed by Alternet's hit pieces for dinner. The best of them all is Ann's. Why? She never uses Obama's first name. She's got it down to "B. Hussein Obama". I expect the "B." and "Obama" to disappear soon. How does "Hussein for President" sound? If he wins the presidency, we can expect Ann to announce "W. hands WH to H."

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Obama/Clinton Bullshit Comparison is REAL BULLSHIT
Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 16, 2007 8:01 PM   
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Clinton was a brilliant bullshitter- Obama is also brilliant but I don't believe his upbringing would produce a bullshitter- Obama is for real

So damn what if he doesn't spout verbatim every policy progressives -like me- want?

He's a damn good start and I too am sick of my brother and sister progressives unreality about US elections and their incessant whining- grow up!

I'm still for Gore/Obama ticket in 08-absoluteley unbeatable

Dr.Rick Lippin

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And this is a problem how?
Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 16, 2007 8:41 PM   
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As far as political positioning goes, his strategy seems to be to appear as a sort of ideological Universalist, one who spends a great deal of rhetorical energy showing that he recognizes the validity of all points of view, and conversely emphasizes that when he does take hard positions on issues, he often does so reluctantly.

Y'know, I consider myself as much of a skeptic and cynic of American politics as anyone. Yet I have been impressed by Barak Obama whenever I've heard him speak, and find a bright spark of otherwise sadly-lacking integrity in this man which is lacking in virtually every other candidate with whom I am familiar.

The author's statement above seems to be not too far off the mark...and I must say that this is exactly what I would want in a presidential candidate. What a treat it would be to have an articulate and honorable person for President!

Now the biggest question is: should he truly appear to have a shot at the White House, will "they" let him live?

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Living Colour...I think the term is....... prescient
Posted by: ekipnrut on Feb 16, 2007 11:16 PM   
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Cult of Personality
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Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
====================
Oh..BTW..any of you (Eastwood inflection/intonation)
got around to...looking at those links..I
posted upthread....let's see ..did I post three... or... four
Obama (FACT/QUOTE) blasters.....
Oh...and...one more thing Barack (morphed to Columbo) ..
"Yeah..Yeah..what is it"..(visibly agitated....flicks ashes)
The Harvard Law Review ....Uhhhhh...is that the Harvard
of Dershowitz the uber zionist ,Ferguson the apologist for
white supremacist colonial racism and (formerly) Larry
'dumb bitches' Summers?
"Well..I... Uhh...Well ....Yes.....So What...."
.........Get back to you on that..... :o)

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I knew there was a reason I keep resubscribing to RS.
Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 17, 2007 12:04 AM   
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Obama on the other hand can close his eyes and the clichés just pour out of his mouth in huge polysyllabic paragraphs, like Rachmaninoff improvisations. In this sense he's exactly like Bill Clinton, who had the same gift. He is exactly what is meant by the term bullshit artist.

Jeez, is I wasn't already married, and gay marriage was legal, and if I was gay, I'd marry you, Matt.

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Are we the citizens of a democracy?
Posted by: SteveB on Feb 17, 2007 2:14 PM   
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And if so, what should our attitude towards those who have the nerve to think they should be our "leaders"?

I think our attitude should be one of profound skepticism, disrespect and even ridicule.

In a REAL democracy, the citizens would say to someone like Hillary or Obama: "OK, you think you're so great that you should be President? We're not buying it. Maybe we'll let you have the job -- and maybe we won't -- but never forget: we're in charge here, and don't think for a minute you're fooling anyone."

Any other attitude, to quote Theodore Roosevelt, is both base and servile.

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Come on...he's charismatic and not too bad.
Posted by: medstudgeek on Feb 17, 2007 7:18 PM   
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Who do you guys want? Rudy Giuliani? John McCain?

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wow
Posted by: RobbieUMD on Feb 17, 2007 10:45 PM   
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This is a fantastic column. I look forward to Mr. Taibbi's work more than anyone else's on this site. Keep up the good work, Matt!

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Yes, he's clearly one of the bad candidates himself
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 18, 2007 11:02 AM   
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C'mon, Barack babies, you're being sold another banal imperialist Democrat. Just read http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/826665.html

Not that I've ever liked him yet -- my reading, observing, and gut instinct have issued the clarion call of "NO!!!!" but this article is about Obama supporting "Israel's right to defend itself" -- what callous, shallow rhetoric to appeal to AIPAC and back down on any stand for Palestine, land of genocide. Clinton, Obama, Edwards.... anyone to stand up for justice for the victim? And I DON'T mean Israel, for God's sakes!!!!

Let's stop this stupidity- refuse any candidate who doesn't have a clean record of voting or of proclamations about aggressive wars and occupations; who can't appear to the public with a clean conscience.

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Public Campaign Financing Will Give Us Better Candidates
Posted by: Jim Shaw on Feb 20, 2007 12:00 PM   
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I think we put too much hope and energy into debating individual candidates, missing the forest for the trees.

It's clear to me that the current election system selects for candidates who are the best at attracting campaign $$$, rather than those who are most able or most committed to the common good.

Somebody has dubbed public campaign financing as "the reform that makes possible all other reform" and I think they have gotten it right.

I suggest that we agitate for public campaign financing (I myself support Public Campaign), and I predict that should we achieve success (I know it won't be easy), the quality of our candidates will improve markedly.

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Gary J Minter
Posted by: garyjminter on Feb 20, 2007 2:59 PM   
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Well-written and entertaining...I hope there are some Americans who have not totally succumbed to the "Anna Nichole and Superbowl" syndrome...because we often get the government we deserve! (Sometimes, amazingly, better than we deserve!)

Hey, I watched the Superbowl, had to pull for my hometown Bears....and I must confess I stilll watch some of the endless Anna Nichole saga on TV, it's a bit like the OJ trial: morbidly fascinating....and how could we not pay attention to the astronaut in diapers and Brittney's shaved head? We are human, after all....

Yet I also try to read a few books and newspapers now and then, and watch what passes for "news" on TV...Last week I read "Vice", about Dick Cheney, and I started reading Obama's "Audacity of Hope" before I had to "get on the bus"...Obama is a gifted writer, I was truly impressed with his style and the picture he portrayed of his early life... (hope it wasn't ghost-written as so many political books are....)

Maybe Barrack Obama is OK, maybe John Edwards truly means his apology for voting to support the illegal invasion of Iraq...I really don't know.

I voted for Ralph Nader for President (and Edwards for VP) via absentee ballot from China last time, and I will likely vote for Ralph again if he runs, though I know he has no chance of winning....

Sometimes standing up for honesty and principle is more important than winning an election, or gaining money, power, or fame....and Ralph Nader has stood up for principle and truth for many decades.

We need to give third, fourth, and fifth party candidates a chance to speak their views to the American public, whether it's Nader or Perot or Pat Buchanan or the Libertarians or Greens....both major parties are too institutionalized, too corrupted by corporate money, and too distant from the ordinary people of the United States....

I don't like the way the two parties gang up on "minority" or "alternative" parties or on independent-minded individuals (like Nader or Pat Buchanan or Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura or Jesse Jackson), and try to blame them for "splitting the vote" and "costing so and so the election..."

Yes, some of the votes that went to Nader in Florida helped Bush win, but some of the votes that Pat Buchanan took away from Bush could have helped Gore win...

And don't Nader and Buchanan have the right to run for President and speak their views to the American public?

The corporate news media are a big part of the problem; in some ways they are a bigger problem than the politicians, most of whom are "fronts" for their wealthy donors and special-interest groups....the TV and radio networks fail to give fair time and exposure to the more independent-minded candidates with divergent or non-corporate views and opinions. They don't want to offend the sponsors, after all....

So, if someone like Ross Perot gets "out of line" with corporate America by predicting a "giant sucking sound" of jobs lost overseas due to NAFTA, GATT, and WTO, he is labeled as "crazy"....if Ralph Nader offends the corporate owners of the news media by suing negligent automakers, or opposing the invasion of Iraq, or criticizing Israel once in awhile, he is totally ignored and kept out of sight of the TV audience....if Pat Buchanan challenges the Bush family's power structure within the Republican party, he becomes an outcast, a pariah...

I like stability and law and order as much as the next person, but I believe that American politics---or should I say politics in the USA, because Mexico, Canada, and all of Latin America are also part of America, aren't they?---has become fossilized, neutered, and monolithic, not a truly vigorous two-party fight over principles, but only a vigorous fight over who has the power and controls the pork-barrel...
Gary
(Gary J. Minter)

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Obama = Just Another Zionist Pawn
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Feb 20, 2007 10:17 PM   
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Well well well -- look who is courting not only the "New York money people" (quote: Wesley Clark) but also the ultra-Zionist Hollywood elite. Why it's Mr. 'Charisma' Obama of course!

"Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will attend a California fundraiser Tuesday night (02-20-07), hosted by Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen." [among MANY other Hollywood elites; some of the most powerful Jews in Hollywood/Los Angeles]. Hollywood Money and the Presidential Race

Oh well: just another "public figure" bought by these people -- and to think: not even 80-100 years ago these same people (their descendants/tribal bretheren, I mean) were at the forefront of the anti-capitalist/social-justice/anti-materialism movement in Russia, Europe, South America, and even America.

Ah what a difference 80 years and A LOT of money makes.

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