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'Chauvinistic' Husbands in Japan Change to Keep Their Wives
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In September, they gathered in suits and ties outside a busy train station in Tokyo and chanted their Three Principles of Love: saying "sorry" without fear, saying "thank you" without hesitation and saying "I love you" without shame.
The group, which started with a handful of members in 1999, claims 800 members and expects that its program of seminars throughout the country this year will boost enrollment exponentially.
Members of the group, called the National Chauvinistic Husband's Association, have a goal of making their true feelings known to their wives, representing a push to change the nation's famously non-demonstrative culture.
The association says declarations of the Three Principles are what women want to hear, and husbands will have better marriages if they can say these words without wavering.
These formerly old-fashioned husbands are serious about becoming modern-style spouses and aim to give men a chance to learn how to communicate better with their families, have a relationship based on equality and become loving husbands.
Declining Marriage Rates
They even hope they'll help curb the nation's declining marriage rate, fueled not only by an increase in divorce but also by delayed marriage among women, whose mean age for marrying has increased 2.5 years in the past two decades, according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications.
The more educated a Japanese woman, the more likely she will wait for wedlock; among women aged 25 to 29, 40 percent are single, but among university graduates of similar ages 54 percent are single.
"If husbands will not change, the future will be very dark for Japan, so we are enticing men to join our group and learn to change their attitudes," says 54-year-old Shuichi Amano, who founded Japan's National Chauvinistic Husband's Association in 1999 after his wife threatened to divorce him. "Families will adjust and then Japan will change in a positive way."
Ito Itamoto, a Tokyo marriage counselor, agrees.
"Japanese women are choosing to marry later, so they can only have one child, or not marry at all," Itamoto says. "Seventy percent of divorces are filed by women. It used to be because of domestic violence or gambling, but these days it is because women realize their husband's priority is the company they work for and not their families. The women also say men do not know how to communicate."
Amano, a resident of Fukuoka City, Kyuushu Island, says his wife woke him up to the need save his marriage.
"It happened when I came home late one evening from work and asked my wife if she thought it was strange that suddenly all the middle-aged men around me were getting divorced," he said. "My wife said, 'Well, I think you will be next.'"
'Broke Out in Cold Sweat'
Amano said he was shocked, he broke out in a cold sweat and his heart "stopped" because he knew his wife was serious. After that initial jolt, he reflected on his past relationship with his wife and daughters. He realized as a busy writer and editor for a publishing company, he was a typical chauvinist and, furthermore, he took pride in it.
"I realized I had only communicated three things to my wife: 'furo,' 'meshi' and 'neru,' which mean 'bath,' 'dinner' and 'sleep,'" he said. "It is the typical way for a strong husband to communicate with his family."
Amano began a program of "self-improvement." He washed dishes, took out the garbage, cleaned the bathtub and paid attention to his wife.
His wife even started smiling at him, which she never did before.
"I cannot fully forgive him for his past actions, but I'm trying to accept him little by little," Amano's wife, Keiko Amano, said.
The newly reformed Amano passed on what he learned to other men through the National Chauvinistic Husband's Association, which started off with a few members in 1999 and expects to grow to 16,000 members throughout Japan this year.
The group provides a place for men to get together regularly about once a month to talk about difficulties with their wives.
Amano, the group's president, says men don't know how to communicate well because they don't have experience initiating relationships and communicating with others, and have only been trained to achieve in the workplace and to be loyal to the company.
Oblivious to Wives' Feelings
Amano and his friends say they were guilty of being oblivious to their wives' feelings and problems developing in their marriages.
Amano also witnessed the misery that some middle-age men suffered when their wives left them.
"They didn't know how to dress, cook or do anything for themselves," he said.
The group provides 460 tips to help members rise in the rankings.
One is to leave a day planner at home so she can see notes expressing his concern for her. Another is sending her a thank-you card on her birthday or giving her pocket money before rebuking her. Other advice includes doing more household chores.
The main activity of the group is to measure how well the members are getting along with their wives by ranking them in a 10-tier system. Amano and other senior members rank the new members, who report on their own progress.
Shochi Oba, a 46-year-old editor, was put at level 3 when he first joined the group, at a time when his relationship with his wife and daughter had begun to deteriorate. At the time he said that his wife should always obey him. Since belonging to the group, he has reformed and now gets up early in the mornings to see his wife and daughter and even does the dishes.
Yoshimichi Itahashi, 65, is the only member who has advanced to level 10. His secret to a blissful marriage, he said, is understanding his wife's feelings: her loneliness, sadness and complaints. And he can tell his wife that he loves her without embarrassment.
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The National Chauvinistic Husband's Association ranks each member according to the level of sensitivity in marital relations he has achieved.
Level 1: Is still in love with his wife after three years of marriage.
Level 2: Does a good job helping with housework.
Level 3: Has never cheated on his wife -- or his wife has never caught him cheating.
Level 4: Can practice a "ladies first" policy.
Level 5: Can take a walk with his wife while holding hands.
Level 6: Can listen to his wife seriously.
Level 7: Can solve problems between his wife and his mother in one night.
Level 8: Can say "thank you" without hesitation.
Level 9: Can say "sorry" without fear.
Level 10: Can say "I love you" without embarrassment.
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Some ladies say, "I only want to marry a/an (insert any European country's name or "American" or "Canadian")man. They are better than Japanese men." (That is an actual quote. I have heard many variations of the same statement)
When I hear such comments, I say to the lady or ladies, she should find a good man with a good heart and mind first. His external packaging will take care of its self.
I do hope the masses of Japanese men will learn to think and do as the men in this group have learned to think and do.
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See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/japan/story/0,7369,1687925,00.html
From my gaikokujin experience, Japanese women with careers behave the same way (except they also do housework, etc) - they will put job before marriage.
Given this context, these Japanese men are to be doubly congratulated for at least trying. But there will not be a more general improvement in mens' behavior towards women until such a wretched system is changed.
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In an American version of this I'm sure most males would rate themelves disproportionately high, fully believing they were being accurate. There are psuedo-versions of this (self-improvement vis a vis a man's significant others) in the American mythopoetic movement but I have to say as the mp is pretty much an essentialist movement, it tends to have a hyper-masculine drift that skews the results. For median and hypo-masculine males involved in the movement, that's a constant irritant. But this is off-topic.
I just wondered who gets to rank the men in Japan?
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"I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess..."
So women find the money box and the guilt-tripper switch quicker than any man could? This is global news? 800 members? What a triumph for womankind.
What Women Want: Who Cares? (this is Part I, of V)
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"Japanese women are choosing to marry later, so they can only have one child, or
not marry at all," Itamoto says. "Seventy percent of divorces are filed by women.
More evidence for a long held theory of mine: men will willingly change their ways when women leave them for being insensitive. NO woman should put up with a man who can't say "I'm sorry", "thank you" and "I love you." And why on earth would you even have a second date with a man who can't "listen seriously" to you, let alone marry him! Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.
How is that list a continuum? Seriously--Men lacking some of the most basic of these 10 abilities should be seriously discouraged from breeding. Ladies, its up to us to save the day --and the gene pool. Sisters, if you're married to an unrepentant asshat, do society and the gene pool a favor and quietly leave his sorry ass. If you haven't had children with him run don't walk to the exit. DO NOT BREED WITH THIS MAN. If you already have, get a good lawyer, and a restraining order if neccessary. There are women's shelters that can help you if you need it.
Just think of it, a mass exodus of women with wings, putting up with nothing from man who oppress them. Save it for the nice guys (or for your kids, your friends and your own sweet self.)
(In a related story, a NYTimes columnist (Krugman I think) recommended last week that Laura Bush take a suggestion from the classic play "Lysistrata." :-)
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That they will break the century old habit of going to see prostitute?
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Maybe married couples in Japan will start having more sex from now on - did you know there are couples who have been married for YEARS and have never had sex (with each other, anyway) even once?
More power to them - the sooner the cycle and tradition of Absolute Loyalty to the Company and the 70-hour Working Week is broken and people realise they can spend fulfilling and relaxing time with their families, the better. :)
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Or, just maybe, he's working 70 hour weeks in the first place because life at home is so unbearable.
> ...did you know there are couples who have been married for YEARS
> and have never had sex (with each other, anyway) even once?
I'm glad to say I did not know that. Thanks - that's why I read AlterNet!
Here in the States there's a group trying to put a new law on the ballot which would require couples to have a kid within three years or their marriage would be declared null and void. Maybe something like that would motivate the Japanese to get down to business...
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Some ladies say, "I only want to marry a/an (insert any European country's name or "American" or "Canadian")man. They are better than Japanese men." (That is an actual quote. I have heard many variations of the same statement)
When I hear such comments, I say to the lady or ladies, she should find a good man with a good heart and mind first. His external packaging will take care of its self.
I do hope the masses of Japanese men will learn to think and do as the men in this group have learned to think and do.
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Posted by: shinseiji on Feb 12, 2007 8:31 AM
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See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/japan/story/0,7369,1687925,00.html
From my gaikokujin experience, Japanese women with careers behave the same way (except they also do housework, etc) - they will put job before marriage.
Given this context, these Japanese men are to be doubly congratulated for at least trying. But there will not be a more general improvement in mens' behavior towards women until such a wretched system is changed.
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In an American version of this I'm sure most males would rate themelves disproportionately high, fully believing they were being accurate. There are psuedo-versions of this (self-improvement vis a vis a man's significant others) in the American mythopoetic movement but I have to say as the mp is pretty much an essentialist movement, it tends to have a hyper-masculine drift that skews the results. For median and hypo-masculine males involved in the movement, that's a constant irritant. But this is off-topic.
I just wondered who gets to rank the men in Japan?
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Feb 12, 2007 9:18 AM
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"I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess..."
So women find the money box and the guilt-tripper switch quicker than any man could? This is global news? 800 members? What a triumph for womankind.
What Women Want: Who Cares? (this is Part I, of V)
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» CALL TO THE SISTERS--Don't marry men like this or help them breed
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» RE: CALL TO THE SISTERS--Don't marry men like this or help them breed
Posted by: Logic's Edge
» RE: CALL TO THE SISTERS--Don't marry men like this or help them breed *LOGIC'S END*
Posted by: maribelle
» RE: CALL TO THE SISTERS--Don't marry men like this or help them breed *LOGIC'S END*
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"Japanese women are choosing to marry later, so they can only have one child, or
not marry at all," Itamoto says. "Seventy percent of divorces are filed by women.
More evidence for a long held theory of mine: men will willingly change their ways when women leave them for being insensitive. NO woman should put up with a man who can't say "I'm sorry", "thank you" and "I love you." And why on earth would you even have a second date with a man who can't "listen seriously" to you, let alone marry him! Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.
How is that list a continuum? Seriously--Men lacking some of the most basic of these 10 abilities should be seriously discouraged from breeding. Ladies, its up to us to save the day --and the gene pool. Sisters, if you're married to an unrepentant asshat, do society and the gene pool a favor and quietly leave his sorry ass. If you haven't had children with him run don't walk to the exit. DO NOT BREED WITH THIS MAN. If you already have, get a good lawyer, and a restraining order if neccessary. There are women's shelters that can help you if you need it.
Just think of it, a mass exodus of women with wings, putting up with nothing from man who oppress them. Save it for the nice guys (or for your kids, your friends and your own sweet self.)
(In a related story, a NYTimes columnist (Krugman I think) recommended last week that Laura Bush take a suggestion from the classic play "Lysistrata." :-)
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» Excellent idea, maribelle
Posted by: Torgo
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» Thanks, maribelle
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That they will break the century old habit of going to see prostitute?
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Maybe married couples in Japan will start having more sex from now on - did you know there are couples who have been married for YEARS and have never had sex (with each other, anyway) even once?
More power to them - the sooner the cycle and tradition of Absolute Loyalty to the Company and the 70-hour Working Week is broken and people realise they can spend fulfilling and relaxing time with their families, the better. :)
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Or, just maybe, he's working 70 hour weeks in the first place because life at home is so unbearable.
> ...did you know there are couples who have been married for YEARS
> and have never had sex (with each other, anyway) even once?
I'm glad to say I did not know that. Thanks - that's why I read AlterNet!
Here in the States there's a group trying to put a new law on the ballot which would require couples to have a kid within three years or their marriage would be declared null and void. Maybe something like that would motivate the Japanese to get down to business...
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