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Ammunition for Atheists

By Jack Huberman, Nation Books. Posted February 8, 2007.


In his new book, The Quotable Atheist, author Jack Huberman has collected powerful quotations against organized religion and belief in God from figures such as Richard Dawkins, Phyllis Diller, Frederick Douglass, Michael Moore, Katha Pollitt, and yes, Jerry Falwell.

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The following is an excerpt from Jack Huberman's new book, The Quotable Atheist: Ammunition for Nonbelievers, Political Junkies, Gadflies, and Those Generally Hell-Bound (Nation Books, 2007).

The world (not just America) is deeply divided.The main fault line is where the tectonic plates of religion and of reason/secularism/ modernity/science/Enlightenment meet and grind against each other,making an absolutely unbearable noise. It's sort of like ... forget it, I can't describe it.

My aim in compiling The Quotable Atheist was to heal our broken planet, essentially by eliminating the religious part. Not with nuclear weapons or lesser acts of mass murder, no -- that's the religious style, nowadays, in certain quarters -- but through argument, persuasion, and most of all (since I know perfectly well that argument is utterly useless against dumb, blind faith, and just wanted to pay it lip service), the steady application of powerfully abrasive ridicule which will slowly but surely erode away the offending continent. I'm serious. Do I really believe this book will convert believers and turn them from the path of self-righteousness to the path of righteousness? Yes. A few. Three, I estimate. Two for sure. But the point is this:

For years, millions of fine, upstanding American atheists and agnostics have watched and stewed as the religious right expanded its influence throughout public life, and as America closed its mind and opened its heart to angels, aliens, ghosts, psychics, Jesus, astrology, Kabbalah, Genesis, Revelation. ... As Sam Harris wrote in The End of Faith, "Unreason is now ascendant in the United States -- in our schools, in our courts, and in each branch of the federal government. Only 28 percent of Americans believe in evolution; 68 percent believe in Satan. Ignorance in this degree, concentrated in both the head and belly of a lumbering superpower, is now a problem for the entire world."

Meanwhile, religion continues to be granted far too much respect and too little critical examination in our culture and mainstream media.We need to change the cultural climate so as to make supernatural, occult, and faith-based claptrap feel unwelcome and to make adults ashamed of the blithe surrender of their otherwise sound minds to idiocy.We need climate change. Bullshit levels are rising globally, threatening to submerge intellectually low-lying areas. Much of the United States is already inundated.Temperatures are rising; IQs are dropping. Four of the five stupidest years on record have occurred since 2000.

I would of course have preferred a declaration by the president of the United States -- purportedly God's messenger on earth -- stating that neither God nor WMDs ever existed and that most religious beliefs are untrue and harmful, and urging citizens to bring their minds back up at least to an eighteenth-century stage of development. (I have proposed this plan in a letter to George W. Bush, but haven't heard back yet. They must be hashing out the details.) Failing that, it is up to atheist/secularist groups and individuals to do what we can to stop global worming (people groveling like worms before nonexistent deities). That's where this book comes in.

As a number of these collected quotes say (far more wittily): Religion in general is based on falsehoods -- comforting beliefs in a heavenly parent or big brother; hopes of surviving death -- and on utility or expedience: socially cohesive tribal myths; politically useful codes of law and behavior; divine ordination of rulers (including certain presidents); attempts to explain, influence, or placate nature and the elements; the wish to raise ourselves above (i.e., deny our place among) the animals. Religion may help people feel their lives have a loftier purpose than the mere satisfaction of material wants and sensual desires, but it does it with smoke and mirrors, at the cost of our respect for truth and of our integrity and dignity.

The following quotes are selected from The Quotable Atheist.

Richard Dawkins: Kenyan-born British zoologist and evolutionary theorist.

"Could we get some otherwise normal humans and somehow persuade them that they are not going to die as a consequence of flying a plane smack into a skyscraper? ... The afterlifeobsessed suicidal brain really is a weapon of immense power and danger. It is comparable to a smart missile. ...Yet ... it is very very cheap. ...To fill a world with religion, or religions of the Abrahamic kind, is like littering the streets with loaded guns. Do not be surprised if they are used." - 2001


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Oh well
Posted by: gjames on Feb 8, 2007 3:12 AM   
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I'm a contrarian, so keep that in mind, but if what's lacking is, as you say, critical examination of religion, I propose actually critically examining religion is a better way to resolve some of the differences between us humans, rather than the kind of ridicule you have here.

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» the question of the divine Posted by: Coleman
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» RE: Oh well Posted by: tgabriel
And Just Where Did the Positive Values Come From?
Posted by: jhbeck23 on Feb 8, 2007 4:19 AM   
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I have lots of reasons to oppose political fundamentalists, but AlterNet should think twice about its increasingly anti-religious stance. Where after all do positive values come from?

There is no good or bad in science. There is no good or bad in economics. There is no good or bad in technology. (And I won't mention politics.) And when there is no good or bad, you get whatever can be provoked out of the ambitions of arms merchants and egotistical politicians.

The reason for the fundamentalist outbursts of the last hundred years is that the dominant social viewpoints are value-free -- which means that only the values we bring to them as individuals are active. But our system has been undermining personal values very aggressively. Malleable consumers is all we are wanted to be. Otherwise we are just tiny specks of meaningless existence in an accidental universe. You don't get any responsibility from that.

Alongside all public religions is -- and always has been -- an "esoteric" side. Esoteric Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism and of course Buddhism are in profound and positive agreement. That is the direction in which the third millennium must be moving, and many people are.

In 1939 Albert Einstein said that "the ancients knew something which we seem to have forgotten. All means prove but a blunt instrument, if they have not behind them a living spirit."

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» Is Religion The Source Of Morality? Posted by: freebie_grabber
» Ask the ethnologists Posted by: dkm
I've Got a Quote Too
Posted by: Manila Ryce on Feb 8, 2007 4:22 AM   
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"Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God."
-Heywood Broun

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» Quotes?? Posted by: mirimac
Mere Atheism is not enough
Posted by: Dboy on Feb 8, 2007 5:21 AM   
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Deity belief and worship should be recognized as ridiculous by the age of 12. The question is, what imperfection exists in the human mind that latches onto foolish beliefs so easily? And what can we do to increase the reasoning ability of the average human? It's not just about education. It's about consciousness. There are basically 2 groups on this planet: the moderns, and the primitives. We must somehow help these deity-believers catch up.

"I believe that something much more radical than a decline in religious faith has taken place. For us, the educated members of society, the world has become demystified. Or rather, to put the point more precisely, we no longer take the mysteries we see in the world as expressions of supernatural meaning...the result of this demystification is that we have gone beyond atheism to a point where the issue no longer matters in the way it did to earlier generations." --John Searle

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» Better yet... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
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The TRUTH will set you free
Posted by: wawa on Feb 8, 2007 5:47 AM   
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Rabbi Hillel,

who lived 100 years before The Christ walked the earth

understood that the Hebrew understanding of Hokema;

Holy Wisdom

was the same as the Greek understanding of

The Logos: The Word.


It was Paul and John who first understood

The Word was good and

The Word was The Logos

The Word is The Christ

It was John on Rubber Soul who intuitively knew:

"The Word is just The Way and The Word is Love"

Use your imagination, and you will see that

before Christ walked the earth a man,

He was already a She:

Hokema, Holy Wisdom; the Feminine Divinity

and isn't that good news?


The God Head is One Pure Being;

as much male as female

as much mommy as daddy.

And we are all children of Her Universe;

"He is the oldest personality because He is the origin of everything;

and everything is born of Him.

He is the supreme controller of the universe,

the maintainer and instructor of humanity.

He is smaller than the smallest."-Bhagavad-Gita]


He indwells the heart of every atom and

She is beyond the Universe.

Wisdom is calling,

She is rattling your windows and shaking your walls

With some more good news of the

three witnesses,

and three always beats one

and not just that,

I've got a fourth.


Matthew 12:31-32,

Mark 3:28-29, and

Luke 12:10

are simpatico with gnostic Thomas saying 44:

'Jesus said: "Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven, whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven."


What JC said is that God is within every sister, brother and all Creation,


His ways are not your ways and

Her thoughts are not your thoughts

Dominion never meant to rape and plunder,

but to nurture, care and love

And if you have not love, you have nothing at all

And on that final day we all will stand naked before The Creator

And we have been warned that there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth

by those who were so sure they were in, because they are the ones left out.


WAKE UP Christian

+

Hear the wind begin to howl.


eileen fleming,
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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» RE: The TRUTH will set you free Posted by: johngary66
UncleBuck
Posted by: UncleBuck on Feb 8, 2007 5:54 AM   
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"Four of the five stupidest years on record have occurred since 2000." Right on target. Good work, you have a new convert.

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Norme
Posted by: Norme on Feb 8, 2007 6:03 AM   
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Hooray for Jack Huberman. There are few issues more fundamental to today's problems than those originating in religous dogmas and the ignorance that religions perpetuate.

Ignorance will continue to prevail until the the work of religous historians are widely read. A few very readable examples include: The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read; The Christ Conspiracy-The Greatest Story Ever Sold; The Dark Side of Christianity; and The Sixteen Crucified Saviors. There are many others.

The truth is that Christianity was created from an amalgam of pagan religions, astrology, the deliberations and decisions of cruel old men, and ignorance, fear and guilt. The Bush White House follows the pattern exactly.

Want to see modern reflections of pagan gods, look at the list of Saints in the Roman Catholic Church. Saints were initially created as inducements to pagans to "come on over" to the state religion of Rome. The threatened alternative to conversion was often torture and death.

We have massive unemployment, tax giveaways to the most wealthy families and to the least sustainable industries, flaunt international law and lead the world in our military budgets and armament sales. Yet our leaders smugly claim the moral high ground. If you want a hint of where the money is going today, look at the military/defense industries and the building programs of banks and churches. What a joke.

Tax deductions to religous groups ought to be dropped from the tax code because the burden of making up the shortfall is shared by the non-religous as well as the religous. It is a state subsidy of goofy belief systems based on prehistoric myths updated to hide and maintain their viability.

MANY in the clergy know all of the above to be true but, hey its a job.

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» RE: Norme Posted by: mobile68
Maybe Too Quick to Judge?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Feb 8, 2007 6:12 AM   
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I think he is too strong in his condemation of the belief in God. Maybe there is a God as discribed in the Holy Bible?

Though I don't believe in the existance of a "god." Maybe there is.

Of course, this god is one twisted fuck, if it does exist. But, my point is: we should keep an open mind.

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Ignota nulla curatio morbid
Posted by: Chevaliere on Feb 8, 2007 6:13 AM   
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"Do not attempt to cure what you do not understand."

The individuals who create subjective "faith based" religious systems can be described and analyzed clinically: schizoidal psychopaths.

Schizoidia, or schizoidal psychopathy, was isolated by the one of the creators of modern psychiatry, Emil Kraepelin. In the beginning, it was treated as a lighter form of the same hereditary taint which is the cause of susceptibility to schizophrenia. However, this latter connection could neither be confirmed nor denied via statistical analysis, and no biological test was then available that could solve this dilemma. Thus, for practical reasons, it is discussed without reference to this traditional relationship.

Literature provides us with descriptions of several varieties of this anomaly, whose existence can be attributed either to changes in the genetic factor or to differences in other individual characteristics of a non-pathological nature. Let us thus sketch these sub-species’ common features.

Carriers of this anomaly are hypersensitive and distrustful, while, at the same time, pay little attention to the feelings of others. They tend to assume extreme positions, and are eager to retaliate for minor offenses. Sometimes they are eccentric and odd. Their poor sense of psychological situation and reality leads them to superimpose erroneous, pejorative interpretations upon other people’s intentions. They easily become involved in activities which are ostensibly moral, but which actually inflict damage upon themselves and others. Their impoverished psychological world-view makes them typically pessimistic regarding human nature. We frequently find expressions of their characteristic attitudes in their statements and writings: “Human nature is so bad that order in human society can only be maintained by a strong power created by highly qualified individuals in the name of some higher idea.” Let us call this typical expression the “schizoid declaration”.

When they become wrapped up in situations of serious stress, however, the schizoid’s failings cause them to collapse easily. The capacity for thought is thereupon characteristically stifled, and frequently the schizoids fall into reactive psychotic states so similar in appearance to schizophrenia that they lead to misdiagnoses.

The common factor in the varieties of this anomaly is a dull pallor of emotion and lack of feeling for the psychological realities, an essential factor in basic intelligence. This can be attributed to some incomplete quality of the instinctive substratum, which works as though founded on shifting sand. Low emotional pressure enables them to develop proper speculative reasoning, which is useful in non-humanistic spheres of activity, but because of their one-sidedness, they tend to consider themselves intellectually superior to “ordinary” people.

On the small scale, such people cause their families trouble, easily turn into tools of intrigue in the hands of clever and unscrupulous individuals, and generally do a poor job of raising children. Their tendency to see human reality in the doctrinaire and simplistic manner they consider “proper” – i.e. “black or white” - transforms their frequently good intentions into bad results. However, their evil-generating role can have macrosocial implications if their attitude toward human reality and their tendency to invent great doctrines are put to paper and duplicated in large editions.

Read Political Ponerology: The Science of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski.
Catherine Austin Fitts review.

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» Its about people we all know. Posted by: coñoloco
Ignota nulla curatio morbid
Posted by: Chevaliere on Feb 8, 2007 6:13 AM   
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"Do not attempt to cure what you do not understand."

The individuals who create subjective "faith based" religious systems can be described and analyzed clinically: schizoidal psychopaths.

Schizoidia, or schizoidal psychopathy, was isolated by the one of the creators of modern psychiatry, Emil Kraepelin. In the beginning, it was treated as a lighter form of the same hereditary taint which is the cause of susceptibility to schizophrenia. However, this latter connection could neither be confirmed nor denied via statistical analysis, and no biological test was then available that could solve this dilemma. Thus, for practical reasons, it is discussed without reference to this traditional relationship.

Literature provides us with descriptions of several varieties of this anomaly, whose existence can be attributed either to changes in the genetic factor or to differences in other individual characteristics of a non-pathological nature. Let us thus sketch these sub-species’ common features.

Carriers of this anomaly are hypersensitive and distrustful, while, at the same time, pay little attention to the feelings of others. They tend to assume extreme positions, and are eager to retaliate for minor offenses. Sometimes they are eccentric and odd. Their poor sense of psychological situation and reality leads them to superimpose erroneous, pejorative interpretations upon other people’s intentions. They easily become involved in activities which are ostensibly moral, but which actually inflict damage upon themselves and others. Their impoverished psychological world-view makes them typically pessimistic regarding human nature. We frequently find expressions of their characteristic attitudes in their statements and writings: “Human nature is so bad that order in human society can only be maintained by a strong power created by highly qualified individuals in the name of some higher idea.” Let us call this typical expression the “schizoid declaration”.

When they become wrapped up in situations of serious stress, however, the schizoid’s failings cause them to collapse easily. The capacity for thought is thereupon characteristically stifled, and frequently the schizoids fall into reactive psychotic states so similar in appearance to schizophrenia that they lead to misdiagnoses.

The common factor in the varieties of this anomaly is a dull pallor of emotion and lack of feeling for the psychological realities, an essential factor in basic intelligence. This can be attributed to some incomplete quality of the instinctive substratum, which works as though founded on shifting sand. Low emotional pressure enables them to develop proper speculative reasoning, which is useful in non-humanistic spheres of activity, but because of their one-sidedness, they tend to consider themselves intellectually superior to “ordinary” people.

On the small scale, such people cause their families trouble, easily turn into tools of intrigue in the hands of clever and unscrupulous individuals, and generally do a poor job of raising children. Their tendency to see human reality in the doctrinaire and simplistic manner they consider “proper” – i.e. “black or white” - transforms their frequently good intentions into bad results. However, their evil-generating role can have macrosocial implications if their attitude toward human reality and their tendency to invent great doctrines are put to paper and duplicated in large editions.

Read Political Ponerology: The Science of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski.
Catherine Austin Fitts review.

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Ignota nulla curatio morbid
Posted by: Chevaliere on Feb 8, 2007 6:13 AM   
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"Do not attempt to cure what you do not understand."

The individuals who create subjective "faith based" religious systems can be described and analyzed clinically: schizoidal psychopaths.

Schizoidia, or schizoidal psychopathy, was isolated by the one of the creators of modern psychiatry, Emil Kraepelin. In the beginning, it was treated as a lighter form of the same hereditary taint which is the cause of susceptibility to schizophrenia. However, this latter connection could neither be confirmed nor denied via statistical analysis, and no biological test was then available that could solve this dilemma. Thus, for practical reasons, it is discussed without reference to this traditional relationship.

Literature provides us with descriptions of several varieties of this anomaly, whose existence can be attributed either to changes in the genetic factor or to differences in other individual characteristics of a non-pathological nature. Let us thus sketch these sub-species’ common features.

Carriers of this anomaly are hypersensitive and distrustful, while, at the same time, pay little attention to the feelings of others. They tend to assume extreme positions, and are eager to retaliate for minor offenses. Sometimes they are eccentric and odd. Their poor sense of psychological situation and reality leads them to superimpose erroneous, pejorative interpretations upon other people’s intentions. They easily become involved in activities which are ostensibly moral, but which actually inflict damage upon themselves and others. Their impoverished psychological world-view makes them typically pessimistic regarding human nature. We frequently find expressions of their characteristic attitudes in their statements and writings: “Human nature is so bad that order in human society can only be maintained by a strong power created by highly qualified individuals in the name of some higher idea.” Let us call this typical expression the “schizoid declaration”.

When they become wrapped up in situations of serious stress, however, the schizoid’s failings cause them to collapse easily. The capacity for thought is thereupon characteristically stifled, and frequently the schizoids fall into reactive psychotic states so similar in appearance to schizophrenia that they lead to misdiagnoses.

The common factor in the varieties of this anomaly is a dull pallor of emotion and lack of feeling for the psychological realities, an essential factor in basic intelligence. This can be attributed to some incomplete quality of the instinctive substratum, which works as though founded on shifting sand. Low emotional pressure enables them to develop proper speculative reasoning, which is useful in non-humanistic spheres of activity, but because of their one-sidedness, they tend to consider themselves intellectually superior to “ordinary” people.

On the small scale, such people cause their families trouble, easily turn into tools of intrigue in the hands of clever and unscrupulous individuals, and generally do a poor job of raising children. Their tendency to see human reality in the doctrinaire and simplistic manner they consider “proper” – i.e. “black or white” - transforms their frequently good intentions into bad results. However, their evil-generating role can have macrosocial implications if their attitude toward human reality and their tendency to invent great doctrines are put to paper and duplicated in large editions.

Read Political Ponerology: The Science of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski.
Catherine Austin Fitts review.

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The anti-intellectualism is the scary part
Posted by: lb on Feb 8, 2007 6:26 AM   
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Although I am atheist, I would leave followers of religion alone IF they stopped trying to gut the educational system and wipe out centuries of scientific learning. The growing number of people in this country who have the level of knowledge of a 16th century serf is frightening.
I just watched "Inherit the Wind" again last night, and it rings just as true today as when it was written. Religion goes hand-in-hand with this administration because they don't want us to THINK. If we thought, we would be doing something about global warming, the approaching end of fossil fuels, poverty and the next global epidemics. Karl Marx was right - religion is the opiate of the masses.

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Atheism Is A Religion And Needs Tax Exemption
Posted by: hole11 on Feb 8, 2007 6:28 AM   
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Do I have to explain myself?

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From one extreme to the other... mercy
Posted by: feduphoosier on Feb 8, 2007 6:29 AM   
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I would hope that Athiests will allow for some difference between the 'religious' and the 'spiritual.' Actually, they probably have no idea what the word 'spiritual' means... OK, I guess this is just one extreme attacking the other, so I can dismiss both, together.

I find extremes to be annoying -- on either end of the spectrum. In my experience, life is to be found in the gray area. Personally, I do see religion as the root cause of most if not all wars - that and of course money (or religion as a front for money and power.) But that doesn't stop me from being a spiritual person. I see no connection between the two. One involves being told what to believe and relinquishing my ability to reason. The other allows for me to make my own decisions, but not rule out everything as 'impossible' simply because I can't see or touch it. I can't see or touch an electron or a quark, but apparently that doesn't stop them from existing.

As for lumping psychics in with everything laughable, I would like to remind the author that psychic ability can be proven scientifically - else the government probably wouldn't have invested so much money in remote viewing, and police the world over wouldn't consult with psychic investigators on those occasions when nothing else is working. Psychic ability is a normal part of the human condition - a gift - talent, if that is a more acceptable word. Personally, I don't believe in snowboarding... but its hard to argue that the Flying Tomato is having some measurable success at it.

I believe religion does serve to enslave the masses. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Or go ahead, but realize... by flying to the opposite extreme, you're really no more believable than the religious persecutors you oppose. Believe in everything, or believe in nothing... but the majority of people the world over fall somewhere in between.

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Great article
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Feb 8, 2007 7:13 AM   
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I find that I agree with basically everything this article has to offer. Religion is the drug of the masses, and there is no difference, to me, between Christianity and any other primitive mythology.

Joseph Campbell had it right. Mythology is not a bad thing - at its best it serves to teach us how to live, and at its worst it generates hatred and antagonism to the point of war and destruction. Mythology should be seen as symbolic, a way to explain with words that which has no words. The problems occur when people take religious writings and teachings literally.

As I've stated in other posts, the willing death of a king or leader and a subsequent rise from death is not unique to Christianity. It's a symbolic story that explains the life-death-life cycle. It is a world-wide myth, centuries old. It takes the reality of our mortality, and that of all living creatures, and attempts to make sense of it. In spite of the fact that we will die, part of us remains. That part, in Christian mythology, goes to heaven if, and only if, you accept that Christ died for your sins.

But the part of us that remains could be our legacy, the poems left by the poet, the philosophy of Jesus, the paintings or sculture of the artist. Each of us has a small or large legacy to pass on, and it's amazing how many lives we affect without our even realizing it. That's enough immortality for me.

Making literal the stories that give meaning or purpose to our lives is not superior to a healthy skepticism or secular humanism, or even outright atheism. And atheism is most certainly NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a religion as some here suggest! It's not a religion to not believe in Santa Claus or Zeus or flying spaghetti monsters.

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intolerance
Posted by: xgroverx on Feb 8, 2007 7:36 AM   
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In general, I like atheists. They tend to have more compassion and concern for their fellow humans than religious individuals do. However, Huberman seems to display the same intolerance of other's beliefs as those whom he attacks. Also, I've noticed that individuals like Huberman, Harris, and Dawkins fail to make a distinction between organized religion and personal spirituality. Organized religion is a corrupt institution that exploits the insecurities of its followers to amass wealth, power, and political influence. It encourages people to blindly accept what they are told without question, attacking any individual thought. Personal spirituality, on the other hand, reflects an individual's quest to answer the 'big questions' of meaning and existence. It doesn't need to adhere to any established belief system. Perhaps before painting all non-atheists with such a broad brush, Huberman and others would do well to read the works of Kant, Tolstoy, Thoreau, and Emerson, among others, in order to better understand the transcendental and individual nature of true faith.

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For What It's Worth...
Posted by: kane1369 on Feb 8, 2007 8:12 AM   
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No subject is more dividing than religion. That of itself should tell us something. All these religions claim to be the one "true" way for a benighted humanity. Reason tells me that while they all cannot be right they all can be wrong. I chose to not believe in "God" for the same reason I chose to not believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy. As a child those notions are comforting, as an adult, exercising my ability to reason as I look about this world, they are at best fanciful, at worst, dangerous. I am, by any measure, a spiritual person. Who has not felt a deep stirring within themselves as they witness the wonders of nature...a full moon illuminating the Badlands, the sunrise racing naked across the snows? Who does not feel that same stirring when witnessing achievements of humankind... great music, art, exploring the space beyond our Earth? That is the spiritual side of humans and is as vital to us as our power of reason. The problem with religion is that it is a form of social control, easily perverted for people who desire power over others. Did not Christ teach tolerance, compassion and love for those who are different than ourselves? Today those who claim to be his followers yet despise people with whom they do not agree or do not understand are rapidly pushing an agenda that includes hate and quickly making our world a far worse place to live for all of us. Anyone that can transmute water to wine is welcome at my home...it's those fan clubs that make me uneasy.

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As an atheist
Posted by: chaoslegs on Feb 8, 2007 8:14 AM   
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I found the quotes very interesting. I found the lead into the quotes to be very cruel and distasteful.

I don't understand the faith others have, but that doesn't mean that their faith or belief is hurtful. There are lots of religious people that help society every day. If their belief and the religious instruction they received led them to that path, then good for them. What the religious need to keep in mind is that those of us without their religious instruction can also be very good and decent members of society, not just the believers.

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You are a spec...deal with it weenie
Posted by: buzzjustice on Feb 8, 2007 8:17 AM   
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Want prupose? Make your own! Part of being passive and obedient is by having Zeus or Man God or whatever give it to you. Want social change? Get off your ass and organize around the principles of justice, equality, rule of law, and stewardship of the environment. Hows that for purpose? Or spend your time and brief life energy arguing about why you cling to your silly superstitions while the wealthy elites bring the world house down around our ears by indulging their pathological greed.

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How sad
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 8, 2007 8:22 AM   
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Such religious intensity put to "disproving" God - or the 'Ultimate', or whatever -- i.e. what ever way you want to get your mind around what is beyond the chatterbox ego and human stupidity. I will allow, though, that one need not speak of "God" per se, theistically or otherwise, to walk a sacred path in life. Blessings...

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No Bible needed for morality
Posted by: Sienna555 on Feb 8, 2007 8:46 AM   
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One needs no bible to consider the perils of immoral behavior on the survival of the species. Considering that there is no place on this planet where a single adult human can raise an infant to maturity without help from others, we must assume that we have been somewhat helpful and kind to each other since before language was invented, otherwise we wouldn't have any friends, right? There are good reasons to behave morally that have nothing to do with the Bible. We need each other to be helpful to each other, and moral behavior creates such an environment.

First and foremost, if you murder someone, then they are not around to help you when bad weather kicks in, when emergencies happen, or when you are stranded with no food. If everyone murdered whoever they wanted to, for whatever reason, then we wouldn't have survived as a species. We'd all be dead.

Lying is detrimental to creating those helpful relationships, as is cheating and stealing. Moral behavior only has positive consequences if everyone does it, so it's enfused in our genetic makeup to be moral, just as it's enfused in a mother lion to be kind to her cubs and the other lions in her pride. Lions don't read Bibles, but yet they behave morally to others of their clan. Why would they even consider doing such a thing?

The key is seeing that we are ALL of the same kind of animal, not of different packs or tribes. If we ever became under attack by something totally alien to the planet, it would arise in our species to defend even those we now beleive are our enemies. It's in our DNA, folks. People who do not behave morally are labled "insane" and locked away, whether they beleive the bible or not. The only people who need others to tell them to behave morally are those who consider immoral behavior to be a part of healthy human psychology, which, in itself, is insane.

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» RE: No Bible needed for morality Posted by: art guerrilla
Atheism for Dummies?
Posted by: MAD on Feb 8, 2007 9:07 AM   
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I cannot relate to religious zealots any more than the average poster, but if you pulled this little number out of your pocket and began citing purely subjective passages from the likes of Phyllis Diller or Michael Moore, I would be hard pressed to distinguish you from one of the idiots who whips out their bible and tells me that Jesus is the only answer . . .

Maybe we can be fair and publish "Ammunition for the Religious" wherein we chronicle the misdeeds of a few well meaning, atheistic sociopaths who liquidated tens of millions of humans, but along leftist, "intellectual" lines of course, which may explain why so many are quick to dismiss their genocidal rampages. A cursory glance at the Guardian CiF bears this out.

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Uncle Buck
Posted by: UncleBuck on Feb 8, 2007 9:14 AM   
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Let's not forget why the founders of this country explicitly called for separation of church and state. It was their wholehearted rejection of the christian church. Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, etc, etc, were Deists. They believed that spirituality came from within the hearts and minds of men, not the organization they knew to be complicate with the suppression of knowledge and wisdom, and the oppression of mankind.

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