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A Call for an Open Discussion of Mass-Marketed Pornography

By Robert Jensen, AlterNet. Posted February 10, 2007.


The fear of anything resembling censorship prevents us from confronting what pornography tells us about the cruelty of our culture, and the white supremacy and misogyny that abounds in America.
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At a progressive media reform conference dedicated to resisting corporate control of mass media, where many of the participants focus on gender and racial justice, it shouldn't be difficult to interest people in the feminist critique of mass-marketed pornography.

After all, the pornography industry creates a steady stream of relentlessly sexist and racist films and web sites that undermine attempts to build a healthy sexual culture, while filling the pornographers' pockets with substantial profits. A general critique of the effects of misogyny, white supremacy, and predatory corporate capitalism on mass media dovetails perfectly with the feminist critique of sexual-exploitation media.

Yet as I circulated at last month's National Conference on Media Reform and distributed fliers for an upcoming feminist conference on pornography, the responses I got were often skeptical and sometimes hostile. The questions that were commonly asked of me that weekend revealed the need for the left/progressive political community to deepen its understanding of the issue.

The most common of those questions was, "Is your conference an anti-sex project?" reflecting the common distortion that feminist critics of pornography share the right-wing's obsessions about containing sexuality within traditional "family values."

My co-author Gail Dines has developed a clear response to the question, which I borrowed during the weekend in Memphis: When we criticize McDonald's for its unhealthy food, environmentally destructive business practices, and targeting of children through manipulative advertising, does anyone ask whether we are "anti-food"? Of course not, because no one conflates McDonald's with food; we recognize that there are many ways to prepare food, and it's appropriate to critique the more toxic varieties. The same holds for pornography; pursuing a healthy sexuality does not mean we have to support toxic pornography.

Another common response was, "Do you support censorship?" reflecting a distortion of what feminists have proposed as remedies to the problem of pornography. First, the original feminist anti-pornography movement in the 1980s rejected state censorship that works through existing obscenity law and proposed a civil-rights approach that would give people hurt by pornography a chance in court to prove the harm. There are questions to ask about any legal strategy involving expression, and concerns about suppression of free speech are important; there are even disagreements within the feminist anti-pornography movement about this. But that discussion should start from an accurate account of the alternatives.

Second, at this point in the feminist anti-pornography movement the focus is on public education. The goal is to begin an honest conversation about the way in which "mainstream" pornography, the bulk of which is marketed to heterosexual men, is increasingly cruel and degrading to women and more openly racist than ever -- at the same time that it is increasingly accepted as mainstream entertainment. It's ironic to be accused of trying to suppress free speech when trying simply to exercise free speech in critique of profit-driven sexism and racism.

There was much insightful criticism at the conference of the subtle sexism and racism that still pervades mainstream corporate-commercial mass media. Although men and white people -- including in progressive circles -- are sometimes resistant to that analysis, no one argues that it's an inappropriate topic for discussion. Yet for some reason, many of those same progressives -- men and women alike -- don't consider a left/feminist/anti-racist critique of pornography to be part of the media reform/media justice agenda. Why? I think it has to do with fear.

Facing the pornography industry forces us to acknowledge the deep misogyny and white supremacy that still exists in the culture, even with the gains of the feminist and civil-rights movements. Both women and men might understandably be afraid of confronting what pornography tells us about the cruelty of our culture, our own sexual socialization, and the difficult struggles we face to create a world free of sexual violence.

That fear is real, and all the more reason to confront the issue of pornography more openly.

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Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin, and the author of, most recently, The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege (City Lights Books).

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Give men more real-world sex, they watch less fake-world porn
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Feb 10, 2007 12:27 AM   
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It's simple, really.

If modern women put out more, then modern men wouldn't have to watch so much porn to get off nowadays. This especially pertains to men in their teens and twenties (maybe early-to-mid thirties too).

Women: stop being such prudes and end modern man's reliance on pornography! All you have to do is have more sex with us!

But don't forget about that popular article from last year, "Men Who Love Burgers and Loathe Sex" -- seems like more and more men (and women) these days are becoming pornosexuals because its easier and more convenient, eschewing 'normal' sexual relationships in favor of a quick, easy, and clean/disease-free orgasm through a website or DVD. No hassle, no problems, no drama.

It's just easier that way.

Of course we all want the real thing but since women aren't putting out enough, men have to make up the difference somehow. It's a simple matter of chemistry: men have about 20 to 30 times the amount of testosterone that women have, hence our high sex drives. We cannot deny our inner chemistry, much like women cannot deny the chemical/hormonal changes that take place in their bodies during the course of the monthly menstrual cycle or menopause.

People are also marrying and settling down in to relationships much later in life now; back in the day people were married at 14-15-16 years old (sometimes younger), started having many children immediately, and thus always had a sexual partner at hand if they wanted/needed one. This is obviously not the case today. People also have a higer sex drive in their teens and twenties, so perhaps this is PRECISELY the time when more real-world sex should be encouraged. But since this is more difficult in the modern world we have to satisfy our wants and needs somehow (ANYHOW), and often this falls to the fake porn-world.

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» Literal or figurative... Posted by: igoeja
» PUT OUT? Put out your cigar. Posted by: fifthworld
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» Hell yes! Posted by: Kelly
WAke up Man
Posted by: orfelbleep on Feb 10, 2007 1:54 AM   
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"Women: stop being such prudes and end modern man's reliance on pornography! All you have to do is have more sex with us!"


I listen to a lot of women... they love sex....or shall I say they love "making love". What they don't like is the "hey let's make it" attitude of many men today. If more men learn how to romance women then maybe they would get a little, more often.
It sounds like you just don't have what it takes to get what you want. Don't blame a woman's lack of testosterone for your lack of sensitivity. Sorry dude.

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Reactionary and Backward
Posted by: igoeja on Feb 10, 2007 3:38 AM   
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The last time I reviewed the American Psychological Association (APA) abstracts for studies on pornography, as opposed to the feminist rhetoric that had I read in the early 80's, I found that pornography was essentially positive and correlated with the following:

- liberal attitudes
- a large reduction in sex crime, as when the Netherlands allowed pornography to be sold over the counter
- orgasm and sexual responsiveness in women

Men and women respond similarly to most forms of pornography, and dislike of pornography tended to occur in women that were victims of sexual abuse and/or raped.

Pornography is a good thing, and if you dislike it, you need to examine society, not its expression.

Also, men tend to get involved with pornography because it focuses on women, one of the most arousing forms of erotica for men. Women rarely enjoy pornography to the same degree because women don't get as aroused by the sight of naked men as men get aroused by naked women. If you find it misogynistic, you are only looking at a small subset of the market.

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» Also, I should clarify... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
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"That fear is real, and all the more reason to confront the issue of pornography more openly."
Posted by: philame on Feb 10, 2007 3:46 AM   
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And I suspect there is a lot of fear here since the posters until now have completely missed the point of the article!

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Jim
Posted by: JDBishop5 on Feb 10, 2007 3:55 AM   
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MAN!

Talk about lost causes.

This one takes the cake.

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» Oh, well let's just give up, then Posted by: stevewilkesuk
I hadn't thought about porn being racist . . .
Posted by: leavemlaughing on Feb 10, 2007 4:00 AM   
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. . . but it probably is. I know it is sexist and based on the subjugation of women. Now that I think about it there is a deeper underlying note -- the drive for instant gratification is shot through our society. Its easier tp watch a stroke movie than to take the risks of seeking a relationship. Its also another drug.

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» Well, the racism is easy to see. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: ooh ohh me too Posted by: hymalaia
Let's discuss it from a truly open and honest perspective...
Posted by: richtigspass on Feb 10, 2007 4:38 AM   
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Let's discuss it from a truly open and honest perspective, not from the point that the world has already gone to hell, and pornography was the handbasket that it rode in on!

The author requests open discussion, but where are the open questions to be discussed?

He makes strong claims regarding "the cruelty of our culture, and the white supremacy and misogyny that abounds". Is this what he wants to "openly" discuss?

He makes a very good point that criticizing pornography does not mean that one is "anti-sex". Agreed.

He makes another good point that one who favors open discussion of pornography does not have to favor censorship. Agreed.

He then states, "The goal is to begin an honest conversation about the way in which 'mainstream' pornography, the bulk of which is marketed to heterosexual men, is increasingly cruel and degrading to women and more openly racist than ever -- at the same time that it is increasingly accepted as mainstream entertainment."

Aha, he wants to begin an "open" and "honest" conversation from a very firm and established viewpoint that he has not yet provided a case for. He then throws in a little "profit-driven sexism and racism", "cruelty of our culture" and "sexual violence".

Is this a viable starting point "to confront the issue of pornography more openly"?

How about some open questions...
Is mass-marketed pornography misogynist? If it is, why? What does this reflect about our culture?

Is mass-marketed pornography promoting white supremacy? How? Why?

Is it "increasingly cruel and degrading to women"?
Is it "more openly racist than ever"?
Is it "increasingly accepted as mainstream entertainment"?
How? Why?
What does this mean to our society?

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» dancing about architecture? Posted by: MartianBachelor
Big Production
Posted by: big Production on Feb 10, 2007 4:42 AM   
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This is posibly the silliest article I have read on this site.

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"examples"
Posted by: naryaquid on Feb 10, 2007 5:08 AM   
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I just gave a few...If you need any more read anything by the late Andrea Dworking or simply go to your local porn shop...You'll find PLENTY.

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» Thats funny... I'd rather see.. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
The cruelty of our culture, that abounds in America.
Posted by: Abushite on Feb 10, 2007 5:13 AM   
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Pornography, is merely an aberration of a sick society.

However, look at cruelty where we can see that this permeates right across America, and further : Guatanamo, the Prisons, Violence in the Cities - the Schools. In the NFL, in the NBA - the "Sport" of TV Wrestling. Domestic Abuse.
The ongoing slaughter of Iraqi innocents - in the main ignored by the media whilst they focus on the sad death of someone who posed with her clothes on in a pornographic magazine.
A cruel administration who is content to continue its sacrifice of our young in the name of democracy.
The debate goes on - how to execute prisoners without cruelty: what a sick culture.
Seeing the forces of law and order using 2 x 250 policemen throw an old man to the ground - shackle and chain him, why? because he did not hear them calling him to stop.
The guns, the treatment of Mexicans - endless, mindless non ending cruelty.

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define the terms
Posted by: schmoopy on Feb 10, 2007 5:19 AM   
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The basic problem with having an "honest discussion" of this topic or any other is that both sides typically begin with the assumption that everyone knows exactly what they're talking about.

Reading this column, I have no problem with having an open and honest discussion of pornography, but what, exactly, is pornography? Does that include Playboy magazine and hardcore S/M and everything in between, or are we more concerned with the really hardcore stuff? In my part of the world, there are those that consider the SI swimsuit issue pornography and exploitative of women. Is this something to be included in the discussion? Are all pictures of naked ladies pornography? What about naked men?

Diplomacy is largely the art of compromise, and there can be no compromise if both sides are locked into their ways of thinking and unwilling to consider and be open to other ideas. This begins by being crystal clear about what you're saying and what you mean.

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An Aid to Masturbation
Posted by: gellero on Feb 10, 2007 5:26 AM   
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Porn is just an aid to masturbation. Why shouldn't it be available to those who want it? Feminists don't ever look at the fact that vibrators may deter a girl from seeking a meaningful or just temporary sexual relationship. Is there any real male with a penis that has a rabbit at the base? Talk about degrading the male penis !! The penis was worshiped as the generating force of life, before the Christians came along. Go visit Delos in Greece to see it in its glory. Perhaps if we had more of that, there would be no need for porn !!

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Fear?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 10, 2007 5:27 AM   
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Acknowledging porn means facing reality? You don't have to go to the darkest corners of the internet to see that. Look out the window or watch TV.

I like the feminist approach in that lawsuits can help victims, whereas state repression hurts everyone. Of course, we all know the legal system can easily be abused by money-grubbing, embittered individuals claiming to be victims.

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» RE: Fear? Posted by: Stephen
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otto
Posted by: otto on Feb 10, 2007 5:30 AM   
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Excellent article! We all need to distinguish between "diatribe" and "dialogue", and be open to further discussion. Another problem-factor is the way sex-appeal is marketed to young girls; too many want respect but also want the rewards of looking as sexy as they can. I suspect that the life and recent death of Anna Nicole Smith and her "mixed-upness" help illustrate this point.

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Let Me Get This Correct: Camera + Nudity = Evil?
Posted by: hole11 on Feb 10, 2007 5:34 AM   
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Consenting adults trying to make a living with what they have and they turn into corporate sexual predators or worse propagating a culture that takes advantage of what we think is love.

Scary.

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Down to Basics
Posted by: nopuppy on Feb 10, 2007 5:47 AM   
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There is one huge gap in this story. The equation of pornography with heterosexual porn, and thus the exploitation of women.

Ladies and gentlemen, porn is not a gender-specific issue. Homosexual porn is a huge segment of the market, not to mention the major kinks that hinge on transexuals, children, animals, etc. By equating pornography only with male-female pornography (and assuming that the bulk of it exploits women but not men) limits the discussion to a level deeper than the surface, but nowhere near the real basis.

Let's question the real basis of pornography: the illicit pleasure of watching humans having sex. There are and have been cultures where pornography did not and could not exist, not because of technological lacks, but because of the lack of a psychological desire to view others having sex. Now, why does our society - in fact, all modern technological societies - have a thriving pornography industry? I haven't finished figuring that out yet, and I won't make any snap rationales here. I would simply like to see the debate brought down to basics, so that we can stop slinging blame at this or that gender (not denying that women are indeed exploited, and that men do a great deal of the exploiting; but male porn actors aren't exactly free agents either). Let's find out the real, basic reasons for the appeal of pornography, and then we can discuss how to solve the problem, if we decide that it is, indeed, a problem.

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Blaming women for men's interest in porn?
Posted by: Satori on Feb 10, 2007 5:52 AM   
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To the guy who posted the first comment in this thread saying if women "put out" more, men wouldn't have to look at porn? All I could think is do you live in a cave and carry a club around with you? What an archiac attitude. It is certainly not women's fault that porn exists or that you men look at it -- please don't blame us for your weakness. It's as bad as saying women get raped because they "asked for it". Throughout history women have been supposedly at fault for so many things, but what it comes down to is male fears and weaknesses they just can't or won't take responsibility for. I sincerely don't think women "putting out" for you men is going to make much of an impact on the porn industry. Good grief.

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Sex race and culture
Posted by: jleo on Feb 10, 2007 6:38 AM   
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I agree with the previous comments about real sex and less porn. I am a married man and it seems that sex had gone the way of food. It has become a "badge of honor" among Caucasian (white) women that they are too busy to have sex, as they are too busy to cook I do most of the food preparation. I say this as a man who works in a multicultural workplace and I notice a different attitude among African American and/or Hispanics. They seems to be an understanding that "you marry a man, you have sex with him. (at regular intervals) I would venture that most here who view porn are not looking for S&M or fantasize slave or submissive women. They are yearning for their wives. And yes, many men crave oral sex. Shoot us I have read (I have I have no statistics to back this up) that one of the fastest growing porn sites are those that offer glimpses of women over 50. who is viewing. Frustrated husbands yearning for their wives. Having love (having sex) should be part of a relationship- an extension of your commitment like having dinner together (another vanishing endeavor) Most men do not just love their wives, they Crave their wives.
Other cultures understand and acknowledge, its time the busy Caucasian women follow suit

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Porn uber alles - it's far better than most other things in life
Posted by: Bobsays on Feb 10, 2007 6:40 AM   
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Porn is the most progressive social movements in human history. It is also one of the most dynamic business forces out there. Its much-played-up harm is mostly not true. People - and feminists - should spend more time worrying about war, poverty and the breakdown in human trust than about porn. Porn embraces all - it is a place for all freaks, all tastes, all desires. It is a socially liberalising force that brings together the races.

What is wrong these days is 90 per cent nothing to do with porn. Bush's wars - not porn's fault. Kids going bananas in schools - not porn's fault. Povety - not porn's fault. Collapse of communism and the desperation of the people in those countries - not porn's fault.

I am tired of feminists complaining about this without any context. I am tired of women in the west not being able to look in the mirror and see the selfish-narcisitic, materialistic selves starring back.

Porn ain't the problem.

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Simple, just not easy.
Posted by: CriminallySane on Feb 10, 2007 6:47 AM   
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The answer is simple, it's just not easy. The pornography the author describes is a symptom, not a cause. And the more efforts to shut it down, to force it away, either by legal means (demonstrably ineffective throughout history) or by hectoring it out of the public square and shaming those who would seek it, the more repression involved, the more extreme it will become.

Left to its own, the stuff becomes something akin to boring very quickly. It's the lure of the forbidden that's the draw. As for the truly violent and extreme stuff, it's more a reflection of how violent and extreme we as a society have become than a hard shove down the slippery slope.

What the author suggests is the classic approach of treating the symptom in the hope the disease will simply get better by itself as a result. The cure, as above, is simple, it's just not easy. If the US were a less violent, less repressed, less "extreme" society, if we didn't have the ongoing fascination with inflicting harm on others for our own benefit - or far worse, simply for our own amusement - then the odds are we'd see less violence in the rest of our "entertainment", be it pornography, 24, or CNN.

In short, the answer is not to become more selective censors, the answer is instead to become a healthier, less repressed and censorious society. If we become better people, there's less to worry about. If not, no efforts will help.

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» Hmmmmm Maribelle.......... Posted by: gellero
"Stop spitting in my soup!"
Posted by: hansennancykay on Feb 10, 2007 7:09 AM   
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People don't like to have their pleasures spoiled, and thus will resist any attempt to get them to open their eyes. Freud said when a person has his denied, covert impulses pointed out to him, it's like "spitting in his soup". If these guys enjoy watching women (or other people of either gender or any race) degraded, and don't want to admit what a hard-on they get over it, then they'll say "Oh this is silly" or "this is annoying". What they really mean is "don't interrupt me while I'm getting off."

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