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Are We As Enlightened As We Think We Are About Race?

By Mary Shaw, AlterNet. Posted February 6, 2007.


If you look at racial disparity in areas like income and executions, the answer is no.
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February is Black History Month in the U.S. It gives us an extra reason to ponder the journey of African-Americans from the early days of slavery, through Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, an on through the present day.

As we do so, most of us are thankful that our society has evolved to where African Americans are no longer bought and sold, treated not like people but rather as property, without reward, without a voice, and virtually without any rights at all.

Yes, we have evolved -- somewhat. African-Americans are free. Like most Americans, they live their lives, go to school, have careers, have families. They are our teachers, our doctors, our stockbrokers, our Secretary of State.

But, even so, is our society really as enlightened today as we might like to believe? Have we really learned enough from the horrible mistake of slavery?

Perhaps not so much after all.

The Declaration of Independence proclaims that all persons are created equal. But, while we no longer practice slavery in this country, are people of color truly equal in our society?

While African-Americans are certainly much better off than they were in centuries past, the socio-economic disparity between the races remains pronounced in the U.S. today.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the 2005 median income for white households was $48,554, while that of black households was only $30,858.

The Bureau also reports that in 2001, 22.7 percent of blacks lived below the poverty level, while only 7.8 percent of non-Hispanic whites lived below the poverty level.

And racism and race-based discrimination, while not politically correct in this day and age, are still rampant. People -- especially white people -- are just not comfortable talking about it.

Witness Hurricane Katrina. We didn't see very many white people trapped inside that stadium.

On a wider scale, race-based inequity is perhaps most apparent in the criminal justice system, where the color of the defendant's skin and the victim's skin play a significant role in determining who receives the death penalty in the U.S.

According to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), people of color have accounted for a disproportionate 43 percent of all executions since 1976, and currently account for 55 percent of inmates currently awaiting execution. While white victims account for approximately one-half of all murder victims, 80 percent of all death penalty cases involve white victims. Furthermore, according to the ACLU, "as of October 2002, 12 people have been executed where the defendant was white and the murder victim black, compared with 178 black defendants executed for murders with white victims."

Sometimes when I quote these statistics, the listener (usually white) will speculate that perhaps black people proportionally commit more murders than white people, and therefore are more likely to end up on death row. While this theory is racist by its very nature, and not based on facts, we can easily disprove it with actual numbers. A 1997 study of death sentences in Pennsylvania from 1983 through 1993 showed that a black defendant was 38 percent more likely to receive a death sentence than a white defendant accused of a similar crime. Yet Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, like several other governors across the nation, continues to sign death warrants and propagate this racially biased system.

None of this will change until our society evolves a whole lot further. None of this will change until WE change. All of us.

None of this will change until each of us -- white, black, brown, yellow, purple, or polka-dot -- can look in the mirror and look at each other and see humanity, not color.

None of this will change until, to paraphrase the great and wise Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., all people are judged not for the color of their skin but the content of their character.

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Mary Shaw is a Philadelphia-based writer and activist. She currently serves as Philadelphia Area Coordinator for Amnesty International, and her views on politics, human rights, and social justice issues have appeared in numerous online forums and in newspapers and magazines worldwide. Note that the ideas expressed in this article are the author's own, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Amnesty or any other organization with which she may be associated. E-mail: mary@maryshawonline.com

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No, we are not enlightened as we think we are...
Posted by: Intraspecto on Feb 6, 2007 2:47 AM   
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1. We have President Bush in Office thanks to idiots around the country
2. We are in an unwinable war.
3. We have a political system that will screw us over for its own ends...
4. Our children will pay for our enourmous debt.
5. We cannot bring back the dead.
6. The left and the right are two sides of the same coin- designed to fuck us.
7. We still fight, knowing the ultimate futility of warfare.
8. We are running on a carbon based economy.
9. That economy WILL kill us all, and destroy one of the most unique places in the universe.
10. Contrary to what the religious fundamentalists say, the last time we had a melding of state and religion we had burning at the stake.

Yup, we be fuck'd...

Oh yeah, and that enourmous rise of cancer...thank the chemical companies ad gov...

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Duh...
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 6, 2007 3:36 AM   
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Not a profound article, but a basis for a good discussion.

There's a lot of racism below the surface of otherwise friendly, easy-going people. It's creepy. If you talk to neighbors, colleagues...Get them going while they're drunk or something...Kind of like Borat does to the rednecks.

By the way, polka-dot people prefer to be called "people of polka."

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Racism: Neo-Christians agnst Arabs Part 1`
Posted by: wawa on Feb 6, 2007 5:31 AM   
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Caveat: Just as neo-cons are NOT true conservatives
Neo-Christians are NOT true Christaians

WAWA BLOG
January 31, 2007
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

Steven Salita is an Arab Christian, Professor of English at University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, and the author of Anti-Arab Racism in the USA.

Salita held a workshop during the United for Peace and Justice lobby networking day following the historic March in DC where a half a million patriotic, thoughtful, committed American citizens rose up and surrounded The Capitol building on January 27, 2007 to demand an END to the WAR and Occupation of Iraq



"No issue however has generated more anti-Arab racism than Israel's occupation of Palestine. Popular governmental support for Israel has amplified the importance of Arabs to American foreign policy.

"More important, Israel's well accepted rationalizations for occupying and settling the territories-security, terrorism, divine mandate, and so forth-necessarily subordinate Palestinians to an inferior position vis-à-vis Israeli Jews-and by extension, Americans.

"Because Israel is a staunch ally of the USA and is the subject of much media coverage, the Palestinians are represented overwhelmingly in America media. These representations, which often marginalize Palestinians by privileging Israeli narratives of suffering, produce a rhetorical framework in which anti-Arab racism flourishes. In fact, I would argue that Zionists [Christian and Jewish] in the USA are the biggest progenitors of Anti-Arab racism today." [Page 35, "Anti-Arab Racism in the USA"]

This is NOT saying Zionism is racist, but Zionists have been most successful in selling their story. Suicide/homicide bombers are invoked ad-nauseum, by the USA media, but the brutal 40 year occupation to which the suicide/homicide bombings are the direct result of, is never even mentioned by the MSM. It is always the Palestinians who are the perpetrators of violence and never a word in the media about how Zionists groups, such as AIPAC, Jewish Defense League, Americans for a Safe Israel, Friends of Israel, Christian Coalition, and Christians for Israel, in the USA openly work to rationalize Israeli violence.

Not a word is mentioned by the USA MSM and neo-Christians about the fact that USA sanctions against Iraq during the 1990's resulted in the deaths of one half million innocent Iraqi children.

Not a word is mentioned by the USA MSM and neo-Christians that the current death toll from USA actions in Iraq have resulted in the deaths of more innocent Iraqis than Saddam killed.

Not a word is mentioned by USA MSM and neo-Christians that Ben Gurion openly claimed, "We must expel Arabs and take their places" and "I favor compulsory transfer-I see nothing unethical about it."

Not a word is mentioned by USA MSM and neo-Christians that in 1973 Ariel Sharon told Winston Churchill III, "We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them. We'll insert a strip of Jewish settlement in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlement, right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years time, neither the United Nations, nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart."

Only the august "Washington Report On Middle East Affairs" has reported that nine out of the top ten career recipients of pro-Israel PAC funds in the House were Democrats and eight out of ten in the Senate and that during the 2004 contribution cycle the top ten recipients were Democrats in both House and Senate.

TBC

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Neo-Christian Racism part 2
Posted by: wawa on Feb 6, 2007 5:34 AM   
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USA blind support of Israel and silence regarding Israel's blatant defiance of International Law testifies to the pervasiveness of anti-Arab racism in America.

Israel is NOT a democracy, but an ethnocracy: full right to Jews but none for the indigenous 3.5 million Palestinians in the territories and the 1.2 million in Israel. Only the ignorant do not comprehend that it is apartheid when Jewish only by-pass roads that cut through Palestinian farmlands are for illegal settlers; squatters only.

Only those in deep denial refuse to believe that 90% of West Bank water is used by illegal colonists who make up 10% of the West Bank population.

Only the blind fail to see the injustice when illegal settlers who murder a Palestinian will –if even tried-only receive community service as a punishment, while any Palestinian even suspected of murdering an Israeli will reap the destruction of their entire neighborhood by the Israeli Occupying Forces.

3.5 million Palestinians in the OPT have no right to purchase property, no freedom of movement, no reliable legal recourse when their homes are demolished, or if they are arrested, have their land confiscated. The facts on the ground are that Palestinians have no civil rights and no human rights.

These are but a few examples of the irrefutable evidence that apartheid and ethnic cleansing is Israeli governmental policy.

In WWII, six million Jews were exterminated by a people who regarded them as racially and ethnically inferior. After WWII, a Jewish only state centered on Jewish only history, values and traditions was established in the Arab world. The historical fact is that the Garden of Eden was in the area we now know as Iraq, so why were the Palestinians chosen to atone for the sins of the Holocaust in which they played absolutely no part?

On November 10, 1975, UN resolution 3379 compared Israel to apartheid South Africa and called Zionism "a form of racism and racial discrimination."

After much lobbying, the UN passed Resolution 46/86 in 1991 which rescinded 3379, as a precondition for Israel attending the Madrid Peace Conference organized by President Bush, Sr.

How is it, that an occupation founded by illegal colonization with laws based on racial discrimination with the continuing domination of military blockades, curfews, an illegal wall that grabs Palestinian resources and divides families and blatantly defies the principals of the Charter of the UN and International Law upon which it's very founding was contingent, is not apartheid?

How can it be that these crimes against humanity are never mentioned by the USA MSM and neo-Christians?

Could it be racism?

A media that belabors the ludicrous fringe minority of Palestinians who call for the destruction of Israel, but ignore the many members of the Knesset that openly call for the deportation of all Arabs from the Holy Land is a media that has failed miserably at its commission to seek and report the truth.

"We have seen the enemy and he is US."-Pogo

Unless USA foreign policy changes soon, it is far more likely that the indigenous people of Palestine will be destroyed than the hypocrisy of the democracy known as Israel.


eileen fleming, author
"Memoirs of a Nice Irish-American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released 2/14/07

more on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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» RE: Neo-Christian Racism part 2 Posted by: spacemarine83
» RE: Neo-Christian Racism part 2 Posted by: alterbeef
Of course we're racist
Posted by: Urstrly on Feb 6, 2007 5:54 AM   
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Suggest you take a look at Malcolm Gladwell's Blink for a synopsis of research done at Harvard on people's instant reactions to dark faces. Even Gladwell, who's biracial, admits he scored some prejudice.

In New York, we have draconian Rockefeller drug laws that have landed a disproportionate number of people of color in jail for long sentences on crack and marijuana deals, while white folks dealing in pricier cocaine plea bargain or serve lighter sentences.That's just one of the glaring injustices, and to compound it, the prison population boosts the clout of rural counties politically in things like congressional apportionment. Race affects our lives through and through in ways we rarely acknowledge.

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Integrated Neighborhoods
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 6, 2007 6:44 AM   
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What percentage of US neighborhoods are integrated in a manner consistent with the community's demographics? I think the numbers would be telling. Most wealthy blacks do not live in integrated communities, nor do poor or middle class blacks. Looks like apartheid to me.

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» RE: Integrated Neighborhoods Posted by: ALANHESTER
In California right now...
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Feb 6, 2007 6:48 AM   
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In California right now... I'd say more folks are "racist" against the non-English speaking Mexican illegal aliens than they are against blacks. I could be wrong but I think California's has bigger issues than black or white.

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MI Prop. 2
Posted by: benzene on Feb 6, 2007 6:49 AM   
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Last November here in Michigan voters decided to support a proposal banning the use of affirmative action everywhere, not just at schools. It had something like 57% support among voters. Ever since Proposal 2 has been on the table, and now that it's in the books, I have gotten into a lot of arguments. The time to end affirmative action was not now. Sure, it isn't a perfect system, but it was the best we had. Proponents of the Proposal would often ask me

"When is enough enough?"

and I would answer them that

"Affirmative action will become obsolete when there is no economic disparity among skin tones at all, when there is no difference in life expectancy, when there is no difference in educational success, when there is no difference in the rate of incarceration. Then it is time to reexamine affirmative action, and not until then."

Often the person with whom I was arguing would simply blink, ignore my argument, and then bring out the tired old refrain,

"But isn't affirmative action just reverse discrimination?"

Ever since the passage of this law, and the court ruling that universities implement it immediately, in the middle of an admissions cycle, people have been emboldened to speak their racism. The school paper has been filled with letters to the editors from white students complaining about how people continue to protest the passage of Proposal 2, saying that we need to stop whining and move on. They ignore that debate is the foundation of a true democracy, even retroactively. The use of racial stereotypes and denigrating words has become much more prevalent as people think that Proposal 2 has given them a free pass for racist behavior. It was bad enough before when people with darker skin tones were treated as they were only curiosities, accidents in academia. Now it's even worse.

Hooray for 2007.

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Look at media lovefest and fascination with Barack
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Feb 6, 2007 7:36 AM   
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Hussein Obama. A junior Senator without much, if any, of a voting record or history. Yet, he is all the rage. Why? Because, SURPRISE, he is black but "well spoken", "articulate" and even described by some as "clean". Also, although he points out in his biography that he is a product of an interracial liason, the media frequently goes to great lengths to point out that he is "half-black"!
1) is this "half-black" meant to insinuate that this is why he is "well spoken" or "clean" perhaps?
2) why is he considered "black" if he was a product of equally of two races? What, does any part "black" corrupt the "white" and therefore make him "black"? Isn't that rascist as hell?

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Ms. Shaw lives in suburban Philadelphia...
Posted by: Suburban Dad on Feb 6, 2007 9:22 AM   
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...and so do I. I can tell you that racism and bigotry are alive and well - at least in this area. Being a white male here in The City of Brotherly Love, it is assumed that I am prejudiced. Time and again without hesitation, white people tell me their racist views. They think I agree, simply because I'm white. I don't have a rosy outlook when it comes to racial issues in this country. I have a feeling Ms. Shaw has experienced this as well.

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The Justice System
Posted by: bookie on Feb 6, 2007 11:15 AM   
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I know this might make some people mad. I know the statistics regarding black incarceration, but what I'd like to see are the stats between income and conviction. The article shows that the average black income level is much less than whites. It could be that the high conviction level is caused by being unable to afford a good attorney.

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» RE: The Justice System Posted by: ALANHESTER
A "well-meaning" racist article
Posted by: Mountain Oracle on Feb 6, 2007 11:28 AM   
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Your words: "Yes, we have evolved -- somewhat. African-Americans are free. Like most Americans, they live their lives, go to school, have careers, have families. They are our teachers, our doctors, our stockbrokers, our Secretary of State."

WHO IS "THEY" AND WHO IS "OUR?"

Indeed, as long as you see African-Americans as "they" and everybody else as "us/our", there can be no progress. I believe your thinking is part of the problem and blinds you to the social-political dynamic. For example, among African Americans who would you say thinks most like prime ministers Tony Blair and Jacques Chirac and President Hugo Chavez. Now, who among U.S. Senators (mostly white men) most think like Al Sharpton, Michael Jordan, Dave Chapelle.

Here is my suggested re-write: "We are liberating ourselves from primitive thinking about race and culture. Our diversity is being more accurately reflected in how we learn, care for, trade with, and lead each other. But, there is more to do."

Thanks for writing your piece. It is something that must not be forgotten.

Cheers,
Mountain Oracle

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Power and Money...
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Feb 6, 2007 1:25 PM   
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are the two balls of patriarchy. They are divided and they conquer. It doesn't matter that the balls are black/white, rich/poor, man/woman or testosterone/progesterone. That's my gut feeling, but how to explain it?

My present theory is fear. Fear of what? Fear of the truth about skin color? Fear that dark colors are more sexually potent? Fear that dark colors will act like white colors if they have power? Fear that white colors are not really god colors?

Or is it fear of chaos, that primeval mix of all colors which turns into brown with earth elements and white with electromagnetic elements? To prevent the fear of chaos, someone has to be in charge, and by the doctrine of manifest destiny (victors write the history), the white/brown philosophy must rule with white being on top at this time.

Racism is connected to dualism, I hypothesize. Dualism is a patriarchic idea to subdue the nondual goddessic idea. It's a war of the sexes with the weapons of ideology. At that point, I'm back to the two balls theory of money and power.

But why would the nascent patriarchs turn against their women when they discovered there was a connection between mating and babying? Simply power? Money wasn't a factor then (unless stone tools or food was money). Or did the women hurt the men in some way, and then revenge became the order of the day?

I propose that racism is the skin-deep cover for sexism which shape shifts into wealthism. Ummm...have to get a grip...I fear I'm over my head. Uhhhh...come to think of it, both sexes have balls. It's that thing in the middle that makes the vive le difference. It seems impossible to escape dualism. Maybe it's about balance, the ball and the lance.

If the balls of patriarchy are power and money, perhaps those of womanarchy are love and justice. Personally, I love women and men, but women more for their internal power. Man comes from woman. Man is an externalized woman. But that's another theory.

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America was made on a bed of racism
Posted by: The Big Raven on Feb 6, 2007 1:29 PM   
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america is the most racist country in the world today.I know this because I live it everyday Im not black nor am I latino or asian or wasp. I am a Native person whos people have been here from the begining of time in-fact the crator gave us this land to keep care of for our children and thier children.
Your combined peoples no matter where they come from lied to my for-fathers whos beleif in sharing was taken advantage of over and over again. After your lies and deceit killed many unpon many to make room for your people for they beleived that they were better and thier asses did not stink even though most were the worst of the worst who were not even wanted over there. We were put on reserves that in it self is a racist beleif where we are still today. Most reserves are POOR and the outlook for work is nil unless you move to the drug infested cities filled to the brim with gangs white ,black ,brown, yellow ect...
I guess the one thing that really bothers me is the stupidity of the american people who think that they can change history with lies and junk science face it folks it does not wash anymore we all know what the americans are all about now theifing lying murdering whites using every color under thier flag to make more money off the poor of the world. And please burn your bibles for america never uses them for Ive been through it many times and can not find anything relating to stealing peoples land and killing them.

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To The Previous Post
Posted by: ccnygal13 on Feb 6, 2007 1:38 PM   
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I completely agree with you. As an indigenous woman in this country, although I am fighting for the uplifting of black/african people, I am angered that so few are fighting for our Native rights. Everywhere, from tv, school, social service organizations, and so forth, there are so many resources for black/african people than Native people to this country. Sometimes it bothers me so much that I worry about the possibility of a kind of hatred growing within me. I don't want that to happen but the history of my people and the actual people who occupy it are more neglected and mistreated than any other race in this country. As Chris Rock says, stop complaining because no one has it worse then the American Indian. It's true, you can walk anywhere and see more than two black, white, etc. faces, but try and find our people. Where are we?

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Time
Posted by: chutzpah on Feb 6, 2007 3:11 PM   
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I believe the solution to racism is both 'time' and the younger generation-who happen to be more tolerant. The wall of ignorance surrounding those that believe they are superior by virtue of skin tones is being forcefully torn down by irrefutable facts. This is where 'time' comes in, the 'time' needed for those still in denial to wake up or to die off and leave the world for the younger generation.

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Parity and Disparity
Posted by: lessbread on Feb 6, 2007 6:09 PM   
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Are the poverty rates of black and hispanics inflated in order to maintain real number parity with white non hispanics?

Numbers in thousands

White, not Hispanic 16,346
Black 8,988
Hispanic origin (any race) 9,180

Poverty 2005

As it stands now, white non-hispanics make up 45% of those in poverty and blacks and hispanics 50%. If black and hispanic poverty rates were on par with white non-hispanic rates, those numbers would change to 67% and 25% respectively. That would be quite a dramatic change in the composition of poor people. Conversely, if white non-hispanic poverty rates were on par with black and hispanic poverty rates, there would be some hell to pay...

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It's not about race.
Posted by: Jackrabbit on Feb 6, 2007 7:00 PM   
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While there is not a doubt there is racial prejudice at work oppressing people in this country and around the world the answer to the problems we are attributing to racism are not by focusing on race.

The answer lies in equal pay, equal education, and most importantly the equal freedom for every citizen regardless of race. The freedom to decide for ourselves who we want to be.

As long as the deck is stacked against poor and middle class families regardless of race, we are an immoral society. There is no point to playing the "I have suffered more than you" game or the "I am more guilty than you" game. We are all in this together.

We rise together or we fall apart.

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» RE: It's not about race. Posted by: ALANHESTER
Our justice system sucks, not just for minorities (although it does sucks more for them).
Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 6, 2007 7:40 PM   
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Yes, of course, our American society is racist. It's also classist, sexist, and places less confidence in short people than tall people.

But the point of "equality" is "equal before the law" not "all are created identical." It appears in a legal document. It's not a magic formula that will make everyone like everyone else.

Our laws against discrimination in hiring, housing, lending, and every other social behavior attempt to implement the notion of equality before the law. Improving treatment by the courts of minorities is good for all of us. Government's job is to do what is good for all of us.

I am also concerned that ours is a violent society; we habitually turn to violence to resolve issues by destroying the designated enemy. Currently in metro-LA it allows cops to blow away and walk away from anyone who can make themselves appear to be a threat--like a 15 year old girl with a four-inch knife blade. She got one bullet for each of her years from Orange County cops.

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the biggest problomatic -ism is CAPITALISM
Posted by: mobile68 on Feb 6, 2007 10:15 PM   
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what kills me about the poor whites is how they tend to blame their status on life on everyone else except the people who organized this class and racism thing in the first place, their rich white cousins, w/o realizing they are being played as well by feeding into the beast called capitalism.

see it is always easy to attack what you think is easy prey or what's within reach, than taking time to think who or what is causing me to be in the situation that i'm in? isn't that what is always told to us brownies and blackies when we complain about employment discrimination, economic racism, police brutality, underfunded schols, etc.?

look, we're all getting screwd by this -ism system call capitalism. the hard work=reward is now a myth. we're all working for slaves wages, cannot afford college or healthcare now that we have gone global thanks to regan, bush1, clinton, and bush2.

as long we keep electing people who have no idea what it is to have to wait 10 hours for a prescription to be filled at a free clinic, be educated in overcrowed public school system, or choosing between eating and electricity, it is all of our fault that we are lacking basic human necessities. as long we do not hold the people we elected to office accountable, it is ALL of our fault.

so poor white people, stop wasting your energies on complaining amongst yourselves, blaming and attacking us brownies for your problems and complain to the people in charge to make a change. they will listen you you before they will ever listen to us. start with your alderman, then your mayor, township and/or county reps, state reps, federal reps, etc.

it is us taxpayers that pay their riduculous salaries. we are their employer!!!
how do you get elected to a federal office by the people (ha ha), yet elect yourself a raise every year and can't decide whether the people who put you in office should or shouln't get a raise in the minium wage? stop keeping the DIVIDE AND CONQUER machine well oiled and running!!!!!!!!!

sorry for rambling, but i bring up this point to show that it's not the brownies and the blackies that is causing your miseries.

"You cannot become true Americans if you think of yourselves in groups. A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America has not yet become an American. And a man who goes among you to trade on your nationality is not worthy to live under the Stars and Stripes."
Woodrow Wilson


"...the inequalities suffered by the many are in no way justified by the rise of a few. A few have always risen – in every country, every era, and in the teeth of regimes which can by no stretch of the imagination be thought of as free."
James Baldwin

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» RE: the biggest problomatic -ism is CAPITALISM Posted by: Overburdened Planet
Playing on race?
Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 8, 2007 8:29 PM   
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Witness Hurricane Katrina. We didn't see very many white people trapped inside that stadium.

While it is true that this is what we didn't see, it's still a slap in the face to the many whites who were killed by the hurricane. According to a La. study: "In a database on 486 Katrina victims, 'African-Americans outnumbered whites 51 percent to 44 percent. In the area overall, African-Americans outnumber whites 61 percent to 36 percent.'"

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/
articles/2006/01/16/katrinas_racial_paranoia/

That means that whites died at a greater rate. However, the same statistics show that blacks lost their homes due to flooding at a much higher rate than whites, defintiaely making them more visible.

A later release seemed to say that overall, the death rate compared to population rate was equal: "out of a total of 650 released names at that time--blacks comprised sixty-five percent of the dead, while whites were approximately thirty-one percent: close to the two groups' relative population percentages, at sixty-eight and twenty-eight percent, respectively, within the city."

http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/eracingkatrina.html

Which means that blacks and whites suffered eaqually, as far as overall deaths were concerned.

The following list was published, to my knowledge, in mid 2006. It cites 742 black deaths, 488 white, 442 unknown. But that's total, and includes areas outside NO, La., so I can't draw any conclusions from it about race.

http://www.katrinalist.columbia.edu/stats.php

Do I think race played a part in the poor government response? Yes. But even more than that I think the Bush administration could care less about the poor or middle class of any race, and that has been reflected in many, many of his decisions since 2000.

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The Race Issue
Posted by: marrieah on Feb 11, 2007 8:19 AM   
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I'm an American Black, I have come to believe that race will always be a problem not only in this society but all societies.
It's not necessarily a color issue, as it is a class issue.

It seems history has deemed that someone is either higher or lower than the next person, more important than the next person based on who has what.

Like it or not, Whites in this country are the majority. They make up about about 60% to 70% of our population. Sometimes I have a feeling that they can be the most easily led. They are the ones who need to feel they are superior to a non-whites, and therefore entitled to some things that they have not earned in the process of just being humans because society has deemed that even the least economically challenged white in this country is 'better' than the most economically advantaged black.

I suspect this is a throw back to the days of Old England.

I hate when percentages are used because when many people hear these terms (44% of blacks as opposed to 13% of whites ) they don't take into account that 13% of whites is still much larger than 44% of blacks considering that blacks only represent 13% of the total US population. In their minds nearly half of the blacks they see walking around are dumb, stupid, criminally inclined rapist who don't work and 'WE' the white folks have to take care of them.

Sometimes I think that percentages are used intentionally to confuse a public that is ignorant of basic arithmetic and math concepts.

Even people who should know better fall for this.

Yes our system is designed to punish non whites more than whites. To make whites feel like they are surperior to another race simply because of the color of the skin. It's saddens me to feel that in general people want it that way because they don't want to feel they are at the bottom of the barrel of life.

The truth is no one is at the bottom. Everyone is on equal footing. True some/ many might be better off financally but take away the money, then what. We live in a capitalistic society period. We need to stop letting the Almighty Dollar decide what kind of people we are and who we will be.

We are all concieved the same way with a egg and sperm, and at some point we will all die when our hearts stop beating and our brains cease to function.

We call ourselves human but we conduct ourselves like animals in the wild fighting for survival. That person with different skin color whatever it might be ain't the cause of our problems.

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Very Misleading And Biased Article
Posted by: faultroy on Feb 11, 2007 10:26 AM   
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As usual we have an activist trying to cajole people into embracing her position.
Ms Shaw begins by documenting the historic antecedents of Slavery: its cruelty and the injustice of white people. Of course she neglects to mention that it was white people (white abolitionists) that were instrumental in freeing black men women and chldren. This has all been conveniently forgotten. If you read black history, you'd think that blacks were able to change this scenario all by themselves. Even today, blacks represent only 12 per cent of the total population.
Ms Shaw castigates whites for their overt and covert forms of racism, but what she does not mention is the racism within the black community--lighter colored blacks being discrimnated against by darker colored blacks, Jamaicans discriminating against blacks from other regions/countries etc.
There is also rampant discrimination between blacks of different classes--uppper income/middle income and low incomes/and of course poverty stricken blacks as well.
Please note that Ms Shaw's statistics on inmates on Death Row do not state that the disproportionate statistics are exactly relevant since she states: "similar crimes," as opposed to "same crimes." There is quite a bit of difference.
Note also that almost all the killings of black people within the black community are of blacks by blacks. In the city of Milwaukee Wisconsin, for example, a black male is 35 times more likely to die violently than a comparable white male. And there is an almost 100 per cent probability that it will be a black male rather than a white male.
This is totally directly unrelated to racism per se. As usual, advocates twist and manipulate statistics for their own benefit.
There is no question that racism still exists, but there is far more overt black on white racism than white on black racism.
I would however agree there is much more indirect white on black racism of the economic kind--and this as well should not be tolerated. Having said this however, it is not as easy to resolve since there are many other factors involved and few of them are related directly to racism.
There is nothing wrong with racism per se. Large congregations of Orientals live in many higly urbanized areas.
They are comfortable with their culture and the comaraderie of individuals with similar histories, life styles and values. What is wrong with this? Every ethnic group has the inherent right to do this. It is when racism is utilized for destructive, self aggrandizing, and debilitating purposes at the expense and well being of the aformentioned race that rascism becomes abhorent, unjustified and intolerable.
It is high time that we as a nation discuss the issues of class, poverty and income from a different perspective. Articles like Shaw's do nothing to enlighten and resolve this pernicious and pervasive problem. We need to move beyond the Jesse Jackson/ Rev Al Sharpton self serving diatribes and obtain accurate, unbiased and current documentation to bring proverty stricken blacks (and people of all races) into the mainstream of the American Economic System. We cannot do this with well meaning do-gooders like Ms Shaw constantly bringing up old hackneyed arguments that will go nowhere and ultimately resolve nothing.

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racism is everyones problem
Posted by: erichoffer on Feb 11, 2007 1:32 PM   
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Every race has their racists and ultimately it's up to whatever race to rout out those elements from within.

History is relevant and the past does effect the present but it is not a one sided deal. American capitalism not only slaughtered indigenous people and enslaved blacks but murdered millions of poor Europeans seeking refuge from starvation etc. Slavery was not only an American practice it was a world practice that goes on to this day. Africans were not stolen from Africa they were purchased from Africans. The Aztecs were not a peace and beads people, they were a brutal people from what is now North Mexico who driven South by want committed genocide against all other nations.

Naturally people don't want to see the enemy within. The racist within. They would rather like to claim some sort of exception, justification, or superiority for their particular race. "We are intellectually superior", "we are morally superior", "we are physically superior","we are the chosen ones" when within every race there are criminals and saints, weak and strong etc.

Each group, each race has to confront their racism if we want to be rid of it. Racism cannot be ended by legislation, or by violence, and it can't be balanced on an eye for an eye. Everyone is racist. Start with this premise and a desire to be free of it and empathy will follow. Don't and we can go on forever blaming others, finding excuses, and playing politics.

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» RE: racism is everyones problem Posted by: erichoffer
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Posted by: Stop bush now on Feb 11, 2007 3:35 PM   
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Who is writing our immigration policy?

The Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform (F.A.I.R) : “We're just looking out for the environment”

John Tanton started a whole network of Astroturf groups, but his connections are very easily made to white supremacist groups... He actually authored a memo that was discovered two decades ago. It's really chilling, because it documented a strategy for where we are today.

It was hard to believe that there could be a very powerful element in this country that could win power and want to end immigration, period -- but that is the overt objective of this lobby, who right before the Democrats took to control had one-fifth of the House. They had signed onto this agenda, one-fifth of the House. John Tanton's network.

He wrote a memo that basically said we need
judicial strategies,
we need congressional strategies,
we need grassroots strategies,
we need to convince the American people in their hearts and minds that immigrants are criminals--
that immigrants are ruining America,
and that is how we will win an end to immigration.

And part of his congressional strategy was to infiltrate the judiciary, which is where immigration policy originate - and they were successful. FAIR put a plant into Lamar Smith’s subcommittee. Lamar Smith authored the legislation, which most people in that committee will say, 'Oh, that was written by Cordia Strom, who was the FAIR plant.'

You then trace backwards and you see what kinds of things are in our immigration legislation, and it comes right off a white supremacist agenda."

Author, Deepa Fernandes

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A question about the article...
Posted by: alterbeef on Feb 12, 2007 2:59 PM   
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According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the 2005 median income for white households was $48,554, while that of black households was only $30,858.

But Black people in America are given so many more opportunities than anyone else, JUST because of the color of their skin. There are grants, scholarships, banks, clubs, tv channels, home loans, magazines, books, political organizations, and everything else, in place just to help black people succeed. As far as race based organizations go for white people all we've got is the KKK, and they aren't exactly the powerhouse of political influence they used to be. I mean, outside of the Nascar circuit.

So, what gives? When people say things like "The gap between average income is so great", I don't think "Oh my god, there must be some racism afoot!", I start thinking of cultural differences between the two races that would lead one to want to take advantage of what they are offered, and the other to not.

I know, that's racist. But how could I know better? I've never been given a chance because all of those damn Asians, with their $100,000 cars and fancy degrees have kept me from a real education.

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