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Are Women Having Too Many C-sections?
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All of which Dr. Bruce Flamm, an obstetrician with Kaiser Permanente in Riverside, Calif., says is remarkable.
But he isn't sure if it's remarkably good or remarkably bad.
Flamm says that notwithstanding the WHO recommendation -- which followed the same official U.S. health recommendations in the Healthy People 2000 initiative -- there isn't enough data to say what the appropriate C-section rate should be.
"Some of my colleagues think it should be higher," Flamm says. "I have heard some doctors say that all women should have babies by C-section, that vaginal births are archaic. Some docs have a C-section rate of 50 percent because they believe in their hearts it's the best thing for their patients."
Flamm does not include himself in the group of doctors who think vaginal births are archaic, but he does agree with the October 2006 recommendation by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists -- to which he belongs -- issued against out-of-hospital births.
Even though the chance of something going wrong is very small, Flamm thinks it's safer to have all necessary equipment and personnel immediately available in case of an unforeseen emergency, which can happen even in low-risk pregnancies.
The physician organization's recommendation -- combined with the rising rate of C-sections -- is a hot topic among midwives.
Nurse-Midwife Protest Letter
The American College of Nurse-Midwives sent a letter in late November 2006 to the physician's organization taking issue with the idea that safety could only be provided in a hospital.
"The safety of birth in any setting is of utmost priority," the letter read. "The implication that there is insufficient evidence to support the safety of planned out-of-hospital birth is unsubstantiated ... Furthermore, we are not aware of evidence supporting the assertion that the hospital is the safest setting for labor, birth and the immediate post-partum period for low-risk women."
The letter went on to say that by discouraging support for out-of-hospital birth providers the organization's position could harm the culture of safety around birth, for patients and providers. It appealed for collaboration to ensure women's safety.
Stacy Brooks, a spokeswoman for the physicians' organization, says the decision to recommend only hospital births was not based on data showing home births are dangerous, but just to minimize any possible complication.
The midwives' organization, on the other hand, lists multiple studies on its Web site supporting the safety of home births.
One large study, published in June 2005 by the British Medical Journal, concluded that the safety of "planned home birth for low-risk women" in North America involving certified midwives "was associated with lower rates of medical intervention but similar mortality to that of similar hospital births."
Many midwives also say that the growing preference for hospital settings automatically leads to unnecessary and often uncomfortable interventions. A prime example is the fetal monitor, which Flamm says he thinks is used on virtually all women who labor in hospitals.
Fetal Monitors Studied
Meredith Goff, a practicing midwife on the faculty of the Yale School of Nursing, is writing a paper about the reliability of fetal monitors versus the old-fashioned fetoscope.
The former is an electronic device, usually attached to the outside of a woman's belly and less often attached through the vagina to the baby's head. The latter is a hand-held instrument a medical provider moves over the women's belly to periodically check the baby's heartbeat.
"There is absolutely no evidence to support continuous fetal monitoring since it came about in the late 1960s," Goff says, "yet in 2002, it was used on 85 percent of women in labor in the U.S. It's the most commonly performed obstetrical procedure. And every professional organization agrees there is no evidence of its usefulness."
In fact, she says, the procedure has a very high false positive rate, meaning that in most cases when the monitor indicates fetal distress, the baby is fine. "So we're doing all these C-sections for no reason because we can't divorce ourselves from this technology," Goff adds.
One of the trends that many midwives find particularly troubling is the decline in vaginal births after Cesareans.
They point to a June 2006 study by researchers at the University of Utah of more than 30,000 women. Published in Obstetrics and Gynecology, the study found several serious complications, including hysterectomy and the need for a major blood transfusion, increased significantly with each C-section.
Dr. Robert Silver, chief of high-risk obstetrics at the University of Utah, is the primary author of the study. Only 9 percent of babies born to a woman who has had a C-section are delivered vaginally now, down from 30 percent a decade ago.
"Vaginal deliveries after a C-section are pretty safe, the risk is quite low," Silver says, "but I think people have gotten scared off."
Downsides to Both Options
Silver says there are downsides to both options. Vaginal deliveries can damage the pelvic floor, possibly leading to urinary and fecal incontinence and pro-lapse (in which the pelvic organs descend, causing discomfort). C-section births lead to more maternal morbidity, increased recovery time, less bonding and more difficulty with breastfeeding.
Paula Cate, a midwife who's delivered more than 4,000 babies in 28 years, says a factor in the rocketing rise of C-sections is the economic incentives of highly skilled medical specialists favoring a high-tech birth, like the rise in the participation of anesthesiologists in even routine births.
"There are now lots of places where there are anesthesiologists on the labor and delivery floor, but when I started in 1978 that wasn't true; you had to call them to come," says Cate.
Midwife Deborah Cibelli argues that C-sections are being driven by a fear of lawsuits. "It's a rare provider who gets sued for doing a C-section," she says, "but if there's any outcome that's less than perfect, you can get sued for not doing a C-section."
With the cost of malpractice insurance for both midwives and physicians skyrocketing, many providers find it more prudent to do C-sections if there's any hint -- however remote or even mistaken -- of complications.
Midwives say current popular culture does little to subdue the sense of danger and complication surrounding childbirth.
Cibelli, for instance, says "The Baby Story," a program on the Learning Channel that shows labor and birth experiences, recorded several of her patients delivering their babies in the hospital, but none of them was shown.
"The filmmakers told us that mine were just too normal. What really sells is drama. They love the rushing down the hallway to save the baby's life to do a C-section. Mine were quiet, with dimmed lights. The people filming thought they were wonderful, but they knew they were not going to sell because they were not sensational."
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Posted by: Annarisse on Feb 8, 2007 3:38 AM
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This article doesn't mention inductions, and it should. The insistence on delivering babies by 41 weeks, even when they aren't ready to come, is a big factor in the number of sections.
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Posted by: sheena2u on Feb 8, 2007 3:45 AM
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If a woman is healthy she ought to educate herself before deciding what to do. Birth is a normal, natural, function. It is not a sickness. A woman must take responsibility for her body and health, and the safety and health of the child she is carrying. Midwifery is legal in many states, and this ought to be an option for anyone who wants it.
Hospitals are for medical emergencies and for sick people. Hospitals are not a place for having babies if the mother is healthy, and the baby can be birthed safely with the help of a midwife or midwife-nurse practitioner. It comes down to the education and the courage of the mother to decide how to proceed with the birth of her child.
Children were born safely for centuries without C-sections, and without hospitals and drugs. Birth is a normal and natural function. Mothers and fathers: educate yourselves thoroughly before you decide how and where to have your baby born. Don't leave yourselves in the dark, or let yourselves be bullied at a moment when you are at your most vulnerable. Learn everything you can about the subject, and then decide for yourselves.
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Posted by: Manila Ryce on Feb 8, 2007 4:17 AM
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I had a conversation with a physical anthropologist who told me human skulls have grown in size over the centuries. We've reached our limit as a species in terms of brain capacity with vaginal birth. The pelvis can't get much wider to allow for bigger headed babies, so some people are theorizing that C-sections are allowing for us to be born with bigger brains (this doesn't necessarily mean we're more intelligent). In the past, these individuals would've died. C-sections have allowed their big-headed genes to spread, and so this procedure is becoming more common. Could be wrong. Just a theory.
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Posted by: terradea on Feb 8, 2007 5:20 AM
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I also had hours of excruciating agony during childbirth, and anterior/posterior muscle splitting (the muscle between my vagina and rectum split, and if not repaired, could have resulted in bowel movements coming out of my vagina. I had serious vaginal tearing requiring 100 stitches. But I was lucky. I had insurance. Today, 25 years later, I am still experiencing physical problems from giving birth vaginally, and am supposed to have muscle repair surgery every 5-10 years, but today, I have no insurance so, I'll get no surgery.
C-sections give a woman freedom from agony and torture. C-sections protect a woman's vaginal walls and prevent possible anterior/posterior muscle tearing (like I had). In third-world countries, physical atrocities that occur to women's bodies as a result of "natural childbirth" often result in permanent disability or "natural death." Unless you're a religious misogynist, why wish agony and physical trauma on women, especially when it can be avoided?
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Posted by: tlCampbell on Feb 8, 2007 6:35 AM
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There is a reason nature has designed things the way it has, we should respect that. Our design is not so vastly different and superior from animals that we can choose to ignore the obvious by slicing and hacking babies out of the womb because it's "convenient". C-sections have their place for life and death emergencies but routine is proving to be dangerous.
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Posted by: lmwilker on Feb 8, 2007 6:52 AM
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As a mother of threee I found childbirth to be a continuation of the sexual experience. Intensely erotic. I liken it to the thrill that people involved in S&M must feel. I had my first child at a hospital and my two sons at home with a midwife and absolutely no sort of narcotics. If I were ever to become pregnant againt I would also have that baby at home. YMMV of course.
On the White Rapper Show the auditions featured a woman rapping about C-sections saying she had one to keep her vagina "high and tight." I think there is more truth to this than many would admit. I think some of the misogynastic statements about vaginal birth attributed to some doctors in this article can be traced back to this as well.
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Posted by: iatsebean on Feb 8, 2007 7:05 AM
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Yes, women have been dropping babies in the field since the dawn of time, but they also used to die in childbirth alot more often and while I am glad to have had a vaginal birth (after 24hrs of back labor, OUCH) I respect any choice that a woman makes regarding getting that creature OUT!!!!! I was also glad to have been in a hospital as well, as I did have complications arise, but I made that choice based on research and my unique pregnancy. Because of my membership in a Union I also had choices regarding my healthcare. The fear and ignorance with which so many women go into this experience is appalling.
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I will only have my next baby in the hospital if I'm dying or the fetus is... the home birth was safer, easier, and cheaper, not to mention much more emotionally satisfying.
Why do women throw themselves on the altar of male-dominated medicine when they are having babies? Our bodies know how to give birth and giving birth without fear is much less painful than giving birth hooked up to all the terrifying (and unnecessary in 95% of cases) machines that they insist on using in a hospital. Yes, they save some lives, but they also cost many lives through drug mistakes, "misadventure", surgical complications, MRSA, and plain neglect. Nobody talks about those moms and babies lost for no "good" reason.
The c-section rate reflects a "want-it-now" society of people who are afraid to work hard for anything -- doctors AND women. The doctors don't want their golf games interrupted, and the women are told that c-sections are easier or safer, or that they NEED it for some bogus reason or another.
The whole thing makes me sick. I'm guessing that the c-section rate will go to 50%, but then I can't wait to see the pendulum swing back when the increased risks become impossible to ignore. It's major surgery. There is no free lunch! I'm just hoping that we haven't lost our trained, experienced, loving midwives by then. I think they will hang on, because there is a strong undercurrent community of women who will never give away their birthing power to the hospital establishment, even if they make homebirth completely illegal we will still do it.
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Posted by: jac5 on Feb 8, 2007 9:46 AM
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My first birth was a nightmare. I had intense back labor (without drugs, I wanted a natural birth) and was forced by an idiot nurse to lie horizontal on the table with those !#$%! fetal monitor straps around me. I eventually ripped them off and ultimately had to sign a "release" (in the middle of intense labor, no less) saying I didn't need to have such constant monitoring. It was ridiculous. Unfortunately after 4 hours of pushing the doctor determined that my baby was experiencing some "distress" (while my midwife disagreed) so my natural birth experience was ripped from me and I was wheeled in to have a C-section. The section was awful, I had a series of allergic reactions to the meds and I spent 4 hours in recovery without ever touching or connecting with my baby. It took me a long time to recover emotionally & physically from that birth such that when I became pregnant again (a surprise!) I was torn for many months and deathly afraid of the birth. But I was also adamant about taking control - and I was going to do whatever I could to have this baby vaginally. My health provider was somewhat supportive, but I was CONSTANTLY asked by my OB/Gyn "Are you SURE you don't want to schedule a C-Section?" But the questions only strengthened my resolve and made me find a doula, probably the best thing I have ever done. She was my rock, my cheerleader, and she made my husband feel so much better too. In the end I had an AWESOME vaginal birth; I got to hold my baby right after she came out and I didn't let her go for over an hour. The recovery was so much easier than the C-section.
I think the biggest take-home message is that for women who want to be mothers, birth is so much more important to being a woman than I think we even realize. I was never a "baby person" and actually never thought I would have children, but after going through the experience of pregnancy (ah love those hormones) and then having that experience taken from me in a way I was wholly unprepared for affected me much greater than I ever thought. Thank God for my chance at a vaginal birth - in a sense her birth "rebirthed" ME as a woman again.
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Posted by: DataDoc on Feb 8, 2007 10:24 AM
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A good book about C-sections is "Misconceptions" by Naomi Wolf. Also check out The Farm's website, which has great information for midwives and mothers. If you feel educated about birth you will make better decisions whether you choose to birth at home or in hospital.
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Posted by: susanh on Feb 8, 2007 12:43 PM
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Labor was hard, but I survived. Both babies were healthy, for which I'm very grateful.
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Posted by: hermionie on Feb 8, 2007 1:05 PM
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I had four babies at home with a lay midwife- big babies shoulder dysplacia etc. everybody was fine. Decided to have mine at home after attending a hospital birth as a coach- it was a nightmare. They wouldn't move her to delivery until the baby crowned but he didn't want to crown, he wanted to come out by his ear. We out the mom on her knees (me and the labor nurses) to roll the baby over-which he did. Only to have him born on the gurney while being pushed through the hallways to delivery. The doctor walked in listened the the baby cry and said, "I could sleep through that" and walked out. The baby, having pooped in the proces of being born, did have to be suctioned out and the labor nurse had me do that while a second sewed my friends laceration.
Since I had all mine at home I tend to know other mothers who have had home births and in fact don't have a single friend whom I see on a regular basis that had one in the hospital. We are all of us happy happy happy with our midwives and our births.
To the women who wrote a couple of columns above- Ina May Gaskin is still around and still active in the midwifery world. You can look up the Farm online and email her and tell her thank you. My sister met her once at a midwifery conference in Seattle and said that Ms. Ina May is a very nice woman.
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Posted by: AmyB on Feb 8, 2007 1:16 PM
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There was an article in the New Yorker recently that explained that Drs no longer are trained in techniques to avoid injury to birthing women. Conventionally trained OBGyns have one and only one problem solving tool and that is C-section, therefore every problem they encounter becomes a C-section.
I had one baby in a hospital and one at home and in each instance exactly the same thing happened-- there was a little lip on my cervix slowing the baby down. At the hospital they screamed at me not to push threatening that I would tear my cervix, dismissed my suggestion that sitting up might be helpful, and then started prepping me for surgery (the baby was born before they actually cut me open). At home the midwife calmly suggested that I change my position and brought out a birthing stool. The baby was born a few pushes later.
The fact that some Drs think surgery is preferable to vaginal birth shows pretty clearly that they don't have a clue what bith is like if nothing does go happen to go wrong. Pregnant women need to know that U.S. trainied OBGyns know a lot about surgery, but they don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' no babies.
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Posted by: DaBear on Feb 8, 2007 1:35 PM
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Second bear-child: born at home, calm, hypno-birthing method with midwife, 10 hours labor "hardest work I've ever done, but easier than the first one." Infant decided to hang out with his chin on mom's pelvic ridge, but after a few movements from mom guided by midwife, baby boy zippin' on out into Dad's arms and right to mama's chest. Photo taken to send to evil male OB who swore he would "turn [us] in" for "attempting" a "reckless and irresponsible" home birth, photo signed by mom, dad, back-up OB (who rolled his eyes at other OB--a known "sectionist"), and midwife. Got a card back from evil OB month later, "it was still reckless." Insurance refused to cover a home birth.
All of this mama's sisters: refused to learn about birth, took LaMaze (a.k.a.-preconditioning for Section-friendly birthing), panicked because they didn't understand what their bodies were doing, all sectioned with numerous excuses that have no basis in medical fact.
Lesson?
• Women who learn to do what nature intended do fine. On the rare occasion such women need intervention, it is actually necessary, and not merely for fear-placation and convenience of the doc/hospital.
• Some people refuse to listen to knowledge and will choose fear because it's a culturally conditioned behavior.
• Fear and lack of education means section rates like the U.S.
• Women are the poorer for it, as are their men.
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Posted by: refinej on Feb 8, 2007 3:03 PM
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When that someday came, I labored for 30+ hours due to my baby being in a posterior position (facing outward instead of into my body). I tried many different positions and excercises at the guidence of my midwives in order to try and get my baby to turn. I had the most INTENSE back pain I have ever experienced. Despite everything that I learned and knew about needing to just relax and let my uterus do its job, I could not...the pain was that excruciating. I also knew that there was no option for pain meds. Instead, counter pressure and water was used to help what little it could, and I took each contraction one-at-a-time. Once my baby's head passed over my sacrum and went down into the birth canal, the pain was gone and was replaced by the surprisingly joyous urge to simply push! After the head presented...shoulder dystocia. My baby was trying to turn in the canal and got stuck. My midwife simply reached into me with BOTH hands, and using a cork-screw manuver, quickly delivered my baby boy. Despite all the pain, the looooooong labor, and the complications, I would have done it all over again IN MY HOME. Why? I trusted my body. I trusted my midwives explicitly. I knew I could do it and I did. After it was all said and done, my midwives agreed that if I was in a hospital, the doctors and staff would not have offered the appropriate sugestions (changing postitions, walking, lunges, hands and knees, etc.) AND they would have never let me go that far. I would have had a c-section.
With the birth of my second child, again at home and with the same midwives, I labored hard and fast, and five hours later, with no complications, I gave birth on my bed to a baby girl.
I would encourage every pregnant woman to learn as much as she can about all of the options out there and make an informed and educated choice about how she wants to birth her baby, her way. If there are complications during pregnancy or if she is "high-risk," there are hospitals standing by to assist, and rightfully so.
Finally, I want to THANK all of the midwives and doulas (and even the OB's who get it) for your continued support and guidence. Birth is a process. Women birth. Midwives and OBs are there to assist, not do the work for us.
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Posted by: Kelly on Feb 8, 2007 8:59 PM
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“I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you.” Genesis 3:16
Well, I'm happy to commit blasphemy! Having faithfully tried natural childbirth and failed, my final thoughts were "I want a healthy baby." I would have been one of the 20% who died back in the day. My water broke three weeks early on my last birth and my bones hadn't softened yet. The net result was my daughter's head slamming repeatedly into a pelvis too narrow for her to pass. Her head began to swell, and I was just glad that there was something my doctor could do to save her life.
That said, I have a great OB--she found herself in the same situation, twice, and had to endure 30 plus hours of labor before she was given a c-section. I would never go to an OB who had not given birth herself. Knowing that she had been through the same experience allowed me to trust her judgment.
There is a lot of pressure on women over the birth process. I've seen new mothers who were so determined to undergo a natural delivery that they seriously jeopardized their babies' lives. One struggled for nearly three days before the baby's heart stopped and she had an emergency c-section that left a horrifying scar and her daughter had to be revived with cpr after birth. She now feels nothing but regret about her birth, like she was less of a woman because she couldn't deliver naturally. Yes, many c-sections are unnecessary and possibly do more harm than good, but women need to be left to make up our own minds after being educated on the pros and cons.
Also, no one has touched on pain control. The debate has been solely on all-natural home birth vs. a c-section when there are many options in between. For instance, perhaps lobbying to expand the options covered by insurance, like vbac and water-births in a hospital setting, or the services of a lactation consultant, which insurance increasingly does not cover. Give women options, education, and less pressure to conform to a set standard.
I would have loved to have a natural birth, but it wasn't in the cards. I'm ok with that, because the goal was to have a happy, healthy baby, and that is just what I got (even after agonizing pain and being gutted like a fish).
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Posted by: jorgem on Feb 9, 2007 8:55 AM
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Follow the money. Why do you think that doctor pushes circumcision? Why do you think the doctor pushes epidurals and oxycotin? Follow the money.
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Posted by: Annarisse on Feb 8, 2007 3:38 AM
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This article doesn't mention inductions, and it should. The insistence on delivering babies by 41 weeks, even when they aren't ready to come, is a big factor in the number of sections.
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Posted by: sheena2u on Feb 8, 2007 3:45 AM
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If a woman is healthy she ought to educate herself before deciding what to do. Birth is a normal, natural, function. It is not a sickness. A woman must take responsibility for her body and health, and the safety and health of the child she is carrying. Midwifery is legal in many states, and this ought to be an option for anyone who wants it.
Hospitals are for medical emergencies and for sick people. Hospitals are not a place for having babies if the mother is healthy, and the baby can be birthed safely with the help of a midwife or midwife-nurse practitioner. It comes down to the education and the courage of the mother to decide how to proceed with the birth of her child.
Children were born safely for centuries without C-sections, and without hospitals and drugs. Birth is a normal and natural function. Mothers and fathers: educate yourselves thoroughly before you decide how and where to have your baby born. Don't leave yourselves in the dark, or let yourselves be bullied at a moment when you are at your most vulnerable. Learn everything you can about the subject, and then decide for yourselves.
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I had a conversation with a physical anthropologist who told me human skulls have grown in size over the centuries. We've reached our limit as a species in terms of brain capacity with vaginal birth. The pelvis can't get much wider to allow for bigger headed babies, so some people are theorizing that C-sections are allowing for us to be born with bigger brains (this doesn't necessarily mean we're more intelligent). In the past, these individuals would've died. C-sections have allowed their big-headed genes to spread, and so this procedure is becoming more common. Could be wrong. Just a theory.
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Posted by: terradea on Feb 8, 2007 5:20 AM
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I also had hours of excruciating agony during childbirth, and anterior/posterior muscle splitting (the muscle between my vagina and rectum split, and if not repaired, could have resulted in bowel movements coming out of my vagina. I had serious vaginal tearing requiring 100 stitches. But I was lucky. I had insurance. Today, 25 years later, I am still experiencing physical problems from giving birth vaginally, and am supposed to have muscle repair surgery every 5-10 years, but today, I have no insurance so, I'll get no surgery.
C-sections give a woman freedom from agony and torture. C-sections protect a woman's vaginal walls and prevent possible anterior/posterior muscle tearing (like I had). In third-world countries, physical atrocities that occur to women's bodies as a result of "natural childbirth" often result in permanent disability or "natural death." Unless you're a religious misogynist, why wish agony and physical trauma on women, especially when it can be avoided?
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Posted by: tlCampbell on Feb 8, 2007 6:35 AM
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There is a reason nature has designed things the way it has, we should respect that. Our design is not so vastly different and superior from animals that we can choose to ignore the obvious by slicing and hacking babies out of the womb because it's "convenient". C-sections have their place for life and death emergencies but routine is proving to be dangerous.
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Posted by: lmwilker on Feb 8, 2007 6:52 AM
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As a mother of threee I found childbirth to be a continuation of the sexual experience. Intensely erotic. I liken it to the thrill that people involved in S&M must feel. I had my first child at a hospital and my two sons at home with a midwife and absolutely no sort of narcotics. If I were ever to become pregnant againt I would also have that baby at home. YMMV of course.
On the White Rapper Show the auditions featured a woman rapping about C-sections saying she had one to keep her vagina "high and tight." I think there is more truth to this than many would admit. I think some of the misogynastic statements about vaginal birth attributed to some doctors in this article can be traced back to this as well.
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Posted by: iatsebean on Feb 8, 2007 7:05 AM
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Yes, women have been dropping babies in the field since the dawn of time, but they also used to die in childbirth alot more often and while I am glad to have had a vaginal birth (after 24hrs of back labor, OUCH) I respect any choice that a woman makes regarding getting that creature OUT!!!!! I was also glad to have been in a hospital as well, as I did have complications arise, but I made that choice based on research and my unique pregnancy. Because of my membership in a Union I also had choices regarding my healthcare. The fear and ignorance with which so many women go into this experience is appalling.
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Posted by: JuliaZ on Feb 8, 2007 8:07 AM
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I will only have my next baby in the hospital if I'm dying or the fetus is... the home birth was safer, easier, and cheaper, not to mention much more emotionally satisfying.
Why do women throw themselves on the altar of male-dominated medicine when they are having babies? Our bodies know how to give birth and giving birth without fear is much less painful than giving birth hooked up to all the terrifying (and unnecessary in 95% of cases) machines that they insist on using in a hospital. Yes, they save some lives, but they also cost many lives through drug mistakes, "misadventure", surgical complications, MRSA, and plain neglect. Nobody talks about those moms and babies lost for no "good" reason.
The c-section rate reflects a "want-it-now" society of people who are afraid to work hard for anything -- doctors AND women. The doctors don't want their golf games interrupted, and the women are told that c-sections are easier or safer, or that they NEED it for some bogus reason or another.
The whole thing makes me sick. I'm guessing that the c-section rate will go to 50%, but then I can't wait to see the pendulum swing back when the increased risks become impossible to ignore. It's major surgery. There is no free lunch! I'm just hoping that we haven't lost our trained, experienced, loving midwives by then. I think they will hang on, because there is a strong undercurrent community of women who will never give away their birthing power to the hospital establishment, even if they make homebirth completely illegal we will still do it.
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Posted by: jac5 on Feb 8, 2007 9:46 AM
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My first birth was a nightmare. I had intense back labor (without drugs, I wanted a natural birth) and was forced by an idiot nurse to lie horizontal on the table with those !#$%! fetal monitor straps around me. I eventually ripped them off and ultimately had to sign a "release" (in the middle of intense labor, no less) saying I didn't need to have such constant monitoring. It was ridiculous. Unfortunately after 4 hours of pushing the doctor determined that my baby was experiencing some "distress" (while my midwife disagreed) so my natural birth experience was ripped from me and I was wheeled in to have a C-section. The section was awful, I had a series of allergic reactions to the meds and I spent 4 hours in recovery without ever touching or connecting with my baby. It took me a long time to recover emotionally & physically from that birth such that when I became pregnant again (a surprise!) I was torn for many months and deathly afraid of the birth. But I was also adamant about taking control - and I was going to do whatever I could to have this baby vaginally. My health provider was somewhat supportive, but I was CONSTANTLY asked by my OB/Gyn "Are you SURE you don't want to schedule a C-Section?" But the questions only strengthened my resolve and made me find a doula, probably the best thing I have ever done. She was my rock, my cheerleader, and she made my husband feel so much better too. In the end I had an AWESOME vaginal birth; I got to hold my baby right after she came out and I didn't let her go for over an hour. The recovery was so much easier than the C-section.
I think the biggest take-home message is that for women who want to be mothers, birth is so much more important to being a woman than I think we even realize. I was never a "baby person" and actually never thought I would have children, but after going through the experience of pregnancy (ah love those hormones) and then having that experience taken from me in a way I was wholly unprepared for affected me much greater than I ever thought. Thank God for my chance at a vaginal birth - in a sense her birth "rebirthed" ME as a woman again.
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Posted by: DataDoc on Feb 8, 2007 10:24 AM
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A good book about C-sections is "Misconceptions" by Naomi Wolf. Also check out The Farm's website, which has great information for midwives and mothers. If you feel educated about birth you will make better decisions whether you choose to birth at home or in hospital.
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Posted by: susanh on Feb 8, 2007 12:43 PM
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Labor was hard, but I survived. Both babies were healthy, for which I'm very grateful.
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Posted by: hermionie on Feb 8, 2007 1:05 PM
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I had four babies at home with a lay midwife- big babies shoulder dysplacia etc. everybody was fine. Decided to have mine at home after attending a hospital birth as a coach- it was a nightmare. They wouldn't move her to delivery until the baby crowned but he didn't want to crown, he wanted to come out by his ear. We out the mom on her knees (me and the labor nurses) to roll the baby over-which he did. Only to have him born on the gurney while being pushed through the hallways to delivery. The doctor walked in listened the the baby cry and said, "I could sleep through that" and walked out. The baby, having pooped in the proces of being born, did have to be suctioned out and the labor nurse had me do that while a second sewed my friends laceration.
Since I had all mine at home I tend to know other mothers who have had home births and in fact don't have a single friend whom I see on a regular basis that had one in the hospital. We are all of us happy happy happy with our midwives and our births.
To the women who wrote a couple of columns above- Ina May Gaskin is still around and still active in the midwifery world. You can look up the Farm online and email her and tell her thank you. My sister met her once at a midwifery conference in Seattle and said that Ms. Ina May is a very nice woman.
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Posted by: AmyB on Feb 8, 2007 1:16 PM
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There was an article in the New Yorker recently that explained that Drs no longer are trained in techniques to avoid injury to birthing women. Conventionally trained OBGyns have one and only one problem solving tool and that is C-section, therefore every problem they encounter becomes a C-section.
I had one baby in a hospital and one at home and in each instance exactly the same thing happened-- there was a little lip on my cervix slowing the baby down. At the hospital they screamed at me not to push threatening that I would tear my cervix, dismissed my suggestion that sitting up might be helpful, and then started prepping me for surgery (the baby was born before they actually cut me open). At home the midwife calmly suggested that I change my position and brought out a birthing stool. The baby was born a few pushes later.
The fact that some Drs think surgery is preferable to vaginal birth shows pretty clearly that they don't have a clue what bith is like if nothing does go happen to go wrong. Pregnant women need to know that U.S. trainied OBGyns know a lot about surgery, but they don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' no babies.
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Posted by: DaBear on Feb 8, 2007 1:35 PM
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Second bear-child: born at home, calm, hypno-birthing method with midwife, 10 hours labor "hardest work I've ever done, but easier than the first one." Infant decided to hang out with his chin on mom's pelvic ridge, but after a few movements from mom guided by midwife, baby boy zippin' on out into Dad's arms and right to mama's chest. Photo taken to send to evil male OB who swore he would "turn [us] in" for "attempting" a "reckless and irresponsible" home birth, photo signed by mom, dad, back-up OB (who rolled his eyes at other OB--a known "sectionist"), and midwife. Got a card back from evil OB month later, "it was still reckless." Insurance refused to cover a home birth.
All of this mama's sisters: refused to learn about birth, took LaMaze (a.k.a.-preconditioning for Section-friendly birthing), panicked because they didn't understand what their bodies were doing, all sectioned with numerous excuses that have no basis in medical fact.
Lesson?
• Women who learn to do what nature intended do fine. On the rare occasion such women need intervention, it is actually necessary, and not merely for fear-placation and convenience of the doc/hospital.
• Some people refuse to listen to knowledge and will choose fear because it's a culturally conditioned behavior.
• Fear and lack of education means section rates like the U.S.
• Women are the poorer for it, as are their men.
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Posted by: refinej on Feb 8, 2007 3:03 PM
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When that someday came, I labored for 30+ hours due to my baby being in a posterior position (facing outward instead of into my body). I tried many different positions and excercises at the guidence of my midwives in order to try and get my baby to turn. I had the most INTENSE back pain I have ever experienced. Despite everything that I learned and knew about needing to just relax and let my uterus do its job, I could not...the pain was that excruciating. I also knew that there was no option for pain meds. Instead, counter pressure and water was used to help what little it could, and I took each contraction one-at-a-time. Once my baby's head passed over my sacrum and went down into the birth canal, the pain was gone and was replaced by the surprisingly joyous urge to simply push! After the head presented...shoulder dystocia. My baby was trying to turn in the canal and got stuck. My midwife simply reached into me with BOTH hands, and using a cork-screw manuver, quickly delivered my baby boy. Despite all the pain, the looooooong labor, and the complications, I would have done it all over again IN MY HOME. Why? I trusted my body. I trusted my midwives explicitly. I knew I could do it and I did. After it was all said and done, my midwives agreed that if I was in a hospital, the doctors and staff would not have offered the appropriate sugestions (changing postitions, walking, lunges, hands and knees, etc.) AND they would have never let me go that far. I would have had a c-section.
With the birth of my second child, again at home and with the same midwives, I labored hard and fast, and five hours later, with no complications, I gave birth on my bed to a baby girl.
I would encourage every pregnant woman to learn as much as she can about all of the options out there and make an informed and educated choice about how she wants to birth her baby, her way. If there are complications during pregnancy or if she is "high-risk," there are hospitals standing by to assist, and rightfully so.
Finally, I want to THANK all of the midwives and doulas (and even the OB's who get it) for your continued support and guidence. Birth is a process. Women birth. Midwives and OBs are there to assist, not do the work for us.
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Posted by: electricmonk on Feb 8, 2007 8:55 PM
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Posted by: Kelly on Feb 8, 2007 8:59 PM
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“I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you.” Genesis 3:16
Well, I'm happy to commit blasphemy! Having faithfully tried natural childbirth and failed, my final thoughts were "I want a healthy baby." I would have been one of the 20% who died back in the day. My water broke three weeks early on my last birth and my bones hadn't softened yet. The net result was my daughter's head slamming repeatedly into a pelvis too narrow for her to pass. Her head began to swell, and I was just glad that there was something my doctor could do to save her life.
That said, I have a great OB--she found herself in the same situation, twice, and had to endure 30 plus hours of labor before she was given a c-section. I would never go to an OB who had not given birth herself. Knowing that she had been through the same experience allowed me to trust her judgment.
There is a lot of pressure on women over the birth process. I've seen new mothers who were so determined to undergo a natural delivery that they seriously jeopardized their babies' lives. One struggled for nearly three days before the baby's heart stopped and she had an emergency c-section that left a horrifying scar and her daughter had to be revived with cpr after birth. She now feels nothing but regret about her birth, like she was less of a woman because she couldn't deliver naturally. Yes, many c-sections are unnecessary and possibly do more harm than good, but women need to be left to make up our own minds after being educated on the pros and cons.
Also, no one has touched on pain control. The debate has been solely on all-natural home birth vs. a c-section when there are many options in between. For instance, perhaps lobbying to expand the options covered by insurance, like vbac and water-births in a hospital setting, or the services of a lactation consultant, which insurance increasingly does not cover. Give women options, education, and less pressure to conform to a set standard.
I would have loved to have a natural birth, but it wasn't in the cards. I'm ok with that, because the goal was to have a happy, healthy baby, and that is just what I got (even after agonizing pain and being gutted like a fish).
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Posted by: jorgem on Feb 9, 2007 8:55 AM
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Follow the money. Why do you think that doctor pushes circumcision? Why do you think the doctor pushes epidurals and oxycotin? Follow the money.
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