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Food Giants' Endless Appetite for Profit
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During the same time, a number of notable books have shined a light on the darker side of our new food obsession. Eric Schlosser's Fast Food Nation, Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Dilemma and Peter Singer's The Way We Eat, among many others, showcase how the decisions we make at grocery stores or restaurants affect us and the planet. But very few books address the policies that shape the food supply and influence eating habits in this country, policies that make some foods cheap or expensive, that bring us "fresh" asparagus from Argentina, and that arguably have led to our current epidemics of obesity, diabetes and other health problems brought on by our food choices.
Michele Simon's new book, Appetite for Profit aims to address this oversight. Simon is the founder of the Center for Informed Food Choices and Research and Policy Director for the Marin Institute, and Appetite for Profit helps illuminate the many ways that food companies -- from General Mills to McDonald's -- market the unhealthiest foods to boost their profit margin and fight any attempts to reverse this trend. AlterNet spoke with Simon over the phone earlier this month.
Matthew Wheeland: First off, tell me how the book came about. You've obviously been working on these topics for a long time, so why now?
Michele Simon: I've been following the food industry and government policy for many years, but, really, in the last couple years the national debate has been heating up around the obesity epidemic and other topics.
Where I got the idea for the book was at a conference in 2004 hosted by ABC News and Time magazine. It was called "The Summit on Obesity" and they said they were bringing together 500 of the nation's top experts to forge solutions to the obesity epidemic. Giving the keynote address was former Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson, a man who knew nothing about public health, but he was giving his cheerleading speech about how we all "had to spread the gospel of personal responsibility," which sent chills down my spine. [Laughs]
He then went on to talk about all the major food companies and what a great job they were doing in coming on board, and one of the companies he mentioned was Coca-Cola. And Thompson said something to the effect that Coca-Cola has stopped marketing in schools, which I knew wasn't true.
Then a funny thing happened: He took questions from the audience. A man got up from the audience by the name of Charles Brown, who is a representative from Indiana. He wanted to know that if Coca-Cola was such a responsible company, then why had they sent five lobbyists to his state capital to kill his piece of legislation that would have required just half of all beverages sold in the school vending machines to be healthy? Well, Tommy Thompson didn't have a very good answer to that, and he just kinda stammered and said, "Well, I don't know anything about that, but if it happened again, you call me."
So that was kind of my eureka moment, because I realized that Representative Brown probably wasn't the only politician finding himself on the receiving end of this kind of lobbying, and I realized there was this kind of dichotomy, this hypocrisy where, on one hand, you had major food companies claiming to be part of the solution and meeting with these top government health officials to say that they were on board, but, on the ground in legislatures, where some policies were trying to get passed, it was a totally different story, or basically business as usual.
I felt that this needed to be exposed, so I put it together with a lot of other examples of hypocrisy and responses to it, so the book is basically an expose of the various ways that major food companies are responding to the criticism that's been leveled against them -- and rightly so -- and then basically tearing apart their claims and exposing the truth behind it and showing how it is just a lot of PR.
MW: You mentioned the personal responsibility argument, essentially that it's not up to producers to make entirely healthy foods -- that people should be responsible for knowing what they're eating so that they can get a healthy diet that also includes some of these foods that they're making also other foods. What's your take on what's wrong with the personal responsibility argument -- isn't there something to be said for the decisions we make?
MS: Those of us in public health who are working on nutrition policy don't say that there's no role for personal responsibility, but the food companies like to say that the entire burden rests upon the individual's shoulders. But how can we even begin to talk about making better food choices when the food industry is spending $36 billion a year to market the wrong kind of food? It seems rather disingenuous for a company to spend that kind of money and then turn around and blame the consumer when that marketing actually works.
And if we're talking about getting people to make more informed, more educated choices, then why is the restaurant industry dead set against requiring nutrition labeling in chain restaurants, a policy that advocates have been trying to get passed at the federal level and now also at state and local levels?
If the food companies were serious -- and we're talking about the restaurants now because we do have nutrition facts labeling on packaged foods -- the restaurant industry has gotten itself exempted from that legal requirement, and obviously they're afraid of consumers getting their hands on that basic nutrition information about such items as a Big Mac.
Maybe if people knew that, and I don't know the exact number off the top of my head, but that there's 700-plus calories in a Big Mac [editor's note: McDonald's has recently begun added nutritional information for its foods, but it leaves much to be desired], then they might choose something else, and that would harm their bottom line.
And finally, we have a tremendous problem in this country when it comes to access to healthy foods. We can't assume that everyone has the same ability to make healthy food choices, when in many neighborhoods in this country the only choice is between Burger King and McDonald's, or the corner liquor store where the choices range from Doritos to Fritos. So we can't talk about personal responsibility and making better choices unless we look at this issue from a social justice standpoint, and that's really where policy comes in to play.
The question is: Why is it that the default for so many people is to eat unhealthy? Why is the easier option, the more accessible option, the cheaper option, to eat unhealthy foods? We need to flip that situation, and that is a function of policy-making. There are many ways the government's policies are undermining peoples' ability to make healthy choices, and similarly, in many ways, the food industry itself is obstructing the ability of consumers to make healthier choices.
MW: Along those lines, there's been no shortage of food books in the last few years, some of which are explicitly about the politics of what we eat, but with the exception of your book and Marion Nestle's Food Politics, I can't think of any that talk about the policies that lead to these foods and how we ended up getting where we are. Why do you think that is?
MS: Well, for decades in this country we've had a focus on food that's been largely individualized, so the whole diet focus, the whole nutrition focus are both aimed at individual choices. Part of it is that there's a lot of academic nutrition research going on, but much of it is reductionist and scientific, not looking at the bigger, holistic picture of nutrition and the politics behind it.
Marion Nestle to her credit was a real trailblazer in this field, and for years before it became popular, she was writing about these issues. It took her book in 2002 to really popularize it and get it onto the public's radar screen, and since then we have had greater discussion about it.
But we look at almost every issue in this country too much through an individualized lens. Take even the major problems with the environment, where we tend to look at solutions in terms of personal driving behavior instead of looking at the oil industry and how they have engineered highways to be car-friendly and things like that.
And when we talk about nutrition, too often the approach is simply individual education, and I think the nutrition profession, in addition to the researchers, nutritional professionals and educators need to wake up and really take responsibility for a failed approach to good eating habits.
The good news, though, is that there is a movement now to look at food choices more in this environmental / policy way, and that is really critical. But I will say, even then, I don't think everyone is taking a hard enough look at the role of the food industry and the politics, but there is some shifting going on in that field to recognize that educating people one by one is not the way to go.
MW: It's easier, perhaps, to get people interested in the politics of their food because everyone eats, presumably every day, so you can get people to confront the topic on a daily basis. But when you start talking about policy -- on any front, but food policy is a perfect example -- it's such a knotted issue where there's no obvious root problem or place to begin.
I found that your take on advertising, and especially advertising to kids, was really effective because again, this is something that everybody sees countless times every day. Does this seem like a promising way to get people thinking about how these policies have come in to being?
MS: It's interesting because I've been doing a lot of radio interviews lately, and I find that when I talk to a lot of audiences, I still get a lot of push-back on the marketing and, in other words, that people are not quite seeing the power of marketing. Especially a lot of us who are more educated or live a little more privileged lives, shall we say, we don't want to admit that marketing is as powerful as it is.
MW: Sure, everybody believes that they're immune to the power of marketing.
MS: Exactly, which I just find hilarious, because the food industry doesn't spend $36 billion without expecting a damn good return on their investment, and they don't do that without putting all of the research dollars in place to make sure that that money is spent as wisely as possible.
I think the emerging strategy to focus on children is a good one, because it's easier for people to get outraged and wrap their heads around the problem of targeting young children with marketing messages. Obviously it's important to worry about how adults are targeted, too, and we shouldn't give up on adults while we're worrying about children, but I'm certainly persuaded that children should be a real focal point.
MW: And it makes sense also because it's a more contained focus, and as you talk about a lot in the book, this is where a lot of eating habits get developed, so if you can start to develop good habits in childhood, it makes a big difference in the long term.
MS: Prevention is key, no question about it. It's interesting to me that so many people have a hard time understanding the power of marketing. Marketing to me is a good way to point out the problems because when I talk about regulating, people get very nervous about the hand of Big Brother taking away your god-given right to a Big Mac.
I don't have a problem if you want to eat at McDonald's, but let's look at the marketing messages and make sure that the companies aren't exploiting children and that in general they're not marketing deceptively. The book is many examples of what I see as deceptive marketing, and that's also why I think there's plenty of room in there to look at what's going on.
MW: In terms of hope for progress on these issues, do you think that the change in Congress might make a difference?
MS: Well, up to now we've sadly only had one champion in Congress for children, and that's Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa. Although he may not be so good on the agriculture side, because he hails from Iowa he's by necessity a bit beholden to the corn interests there. But, nonetheless, he has been a champion for children and has been very vocal about the problem of food marketing to children. My hope is that with this shift in power he might find some friends, and that perhaps he can push a couple of bills through.
But what I most hope for is an upcoming school-food bill that would require the Department of Agriculture to update the nutrition standards around what's called "competitive foods," like soda and junk food, or everything that's sold outside the school meal program, which competes with the meal program. I have some hope for that bill passing, but I don't have a whole lot of hope for what will come out the other end because we have to rely on the USDA to promulgate regulations, and that historically is a process that's not gone very well -- obviously, given the fact that the administration is still Republican.
I think the new Congress will give us some opportunities for dialogue and debate around these issues, but I'm not that hopeful that they're going to wave a magic wand and make the problem go away.
The other policy I want to discuss is the Farm Bill. As a caveat, I'll say that it's not my main area of expertise, but what I do know is that we have an opportunity with the 2007 revision of the Farm Bill. It's important because that's where we set our priorities around agriculture and food production.
There's something like $25 billion worth of food subsidies in that piece of legislation, and most of the money tends to go to a very small number of crops, including soybeans, corn and wheat. All three of these crops basically perpetuate the unhealthy diet of Americans because specifically soy and corn are fed to cattle. ... That is how we get factory-farmed cattle, which is what keeps Americans eating a meat-centered diet -- basically what keeps meat prices so cheap.
Of course, a by-product of this corn production is high fructose corn syrup. Michael Pollan eloquently describes in his book how the entire food system has been "cornified," as he says. And to me it's insane that we are using our taxpayer dollars to subsidize this massive corn-growing industry, which does not benefit, and in fact undermines, the public health.
The Farm Bill, then, represents an opportunity to change that. Of course, there are many big-moneyed interests that make sure that things don't change, that the system gets perpetuated every time the Farm Bill comes around, and this is probably going to be no exception, but this time there are groups across the country trying to organize and change it.
If we're trying to affect farm policy that interests folks, I encourage them to get in touch with one of the many food policy and environmental groups out there. There are many aspects of the Farm Bill that are important, and it's also an education opportunity for people who don't understand that every piece of food that you pick up from the supermarket has some kind of policy connected to it, and this is very critical for people to get -- the Farm Bill isn't something that only concerns farmers, it really concerns all of us because everybody eats.
MW: Anything else especially promising in the next year or two that we should be watching out for?
MS: I think we're going to continue to see some battles in state legislatures, and although I'm not sure how hopeful I am about the results, it's certainly a trend we're going to keep seeing. But I always like to think that the movement in schools is a sign of hope. The fact that so many people have gotten the energy to try to make changes in their local schools is encouraging, and I always urge people to get involved not just in schools but in their communities.
To me the strongest ray of hope is in the enormous number of programs that are going forward around what I call alternative food systems, the whole sustainable agriculture movement, the local foods movement -- this idea of really creating sustainable, local alternatives to the industrialized corporate food system. That's where I really take the most hope, and there are unbelievable numbers of people working on this.
I was in a conference in Vancouver last October for the Community Food Security Coalition's annual meeting, which was held in coordination with a sister organization based in Canada. There were a thousand people at this conference, all working on trying to get farmers' markets in, community supported agriculture, community gardens, you name a big idea and it was being worked on by folks at this conference.
These movements are making a lot of headway and positive changes, and they're making a big difference for a lot of people, especially in neighborhoods that are so desperate for truly healthy foods. For people who want to get involved in those kinds of projects, there is no shortage of opportunities for them.
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As a matter of fact, we have put evolution on hold, because we use modern medicine to offset the breakdown of vital systems to keep our unhealthy bodies alive past the point where we pass on our now detrimental genes. The whole "syndrome X" assortment of diseases, including diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease result largely from our diets.
Add to this dilemma the new, untested foods that are constantly being injected into our diet and you have a recipe for disaster. Remember, it took over fifty years for anyone to realize that trans fats were not only not good for us, but that they contributed to heart disease. We don't have fifty years to find out whether and which genetically and chemically modified foods will damage our bodies.
It's not just marketing.
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It's a mistake to focus on the Republicans. Industries make sure that they're success is independent of elections. A visit to Open Secrets will show that in the 2006 election Agribusiness "donated" $28.6 million to Republicans and $12.8 million to Democrats and these figures don't include Levin funds to state and local party committees. No matter which party wins "we the people" lose.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 29, 2007 8:33 AM
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This is why Korean and Indian and African small farmers are up in arms over the 'free trade agreements' between their countries and the United States - because they know the same thing will happen to them - they'll be turned into slave labor after being driven off their land by unfair market practices. It's all about controlling markets with giant agricultural monopolies - not that the corporate-owned US press wants to admit it.
The total control of agriculture by a handful of megacorporations is the goal; and while some writers on the left have picked up on the role of megacorps in ethanol production, that's only a smallish fraction of the corporate picture; after all, the same corporate concerns that control agribusiness also control the coal and oil industry - which is why Midwestern ethanol refineries are using coal to produce ethanol. However, there is obviously also a major public relations push by gasoline refiners to prevent ethanol from taking away any of their market share; infighting is taking place, but the big money is still in fossil fuels.
The problems are that industrial agriculture in all its forms is unsustainable, but it also provides a lucrative market for fossil fuels. The solution is simple; get rid of subsidies for industrial agriculture and for the fossil fuel corporations, and transfer all those subsidies to renewable energy production and to sustainable agriculture. Within no time, we could then cut off all foreign oil imports, and there'd be no reason to keep military bases in the Mideast, either, or to keeping dumping billions into the Pentagon's overseas activities, aka "the global oil field security program".
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FOUR BIG MAC'S PER DAY ARE BEE-AI-DEE BAD FOR YOU.
Now that we've gotten the obvious 2/3 of the article out of the way, let's address the proposals:
1) making children a focal point for nutrition
2) ending farm subsidies
Teach kids what to eat, lead by example, and most kids will follow the example. I don't need the government squashing freedom of speech by telling companies they can't portray Sponge Bob enjoying french fries because I'm too lazy to take my kids to the park instead of letting the Dummy Box baby-sit them on Saturday morning.
With the farm subsidies, the author is spot-on. We need to abolish the subsidies, not only for food crops, but also for ethanol. Farmers and farming companies in an industrialized, modern society should be able to stand on their own, or be allowed to topple to make way for better competitors. That goes double for "alternative" fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel: if the economy to support these technologies is profitable and productive, tax payers need not absorb the risk.
Overall, this was a good article, the cheap shots at the audience's autonomy and inability to resist marketing notwithstanding. Educate your kids, repeal the farm subsidies and return those monies to the taxpayers, and enjoy a doubly enriched society.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 29, 2007 9:38 AM
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On the other hand, subsidizing only sustainable, fossil-fuel free biofuel production will benefit farmers and will likely do away with the need for subsidies altogether, as a good fraction of the money going to gasoline sales will then be redirected to farmers; what's really needed is a massive research and subsidy program directed at cellulosic ethanol instead of corn-based ethanol.
The major oil corporations are completely opposed to this, however: here's what ExxonMob has to say-Bloomberg Report Jan 29 2007
Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's largest publicly traded energy company, considers ethanol irrelevant as a solution to an addiction that forces the U.S. to import two-thirds of its oil. No "viable, meaningful business proposition'' exists for Exxon in ethanol, Senior Vice President Stuart McGill told investors at a Jan. 17 conference arranged by Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
"The nature of the science as it stands today and the technology involved requires significant forms of subsidies and mandates to make a lot of sense,'' McGill said in New York, dismissing an industry that counts Microsoft founder Bill Gates and David Rubenstein, co-founder of the Carlyle Group, the private equity firm, among its biggest enthusiasts."
So, the corporate giants are fighting it out...and they still seem to be ignoring large-scale investment in solar panel production, which is what they should be doing...
Hmmm... the question I'd like to see answered is this: can small organic farmers cheaply produce ethanol in a small-scale home still, as they did for centuries before the advent of fossil-fuel based industrial agriculture? See for example, The Secret History of Rum.
Personally, I still think that domestically produced ethanol is a far better fuel choice then foreign oil imports, though there are those who say we should use neither and stick to bicycles... which seems rather unlikely, to say the least.
A very good discussion with useful links on small-scale ethanol production by the independent farmer can be found at http://www.newrules.org/agri/smalleth.html
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 29, 2007 10:09 AM
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Toxic Sludge is Good For You, Stauber and Rampton
Trust Us, We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles with Your Future, Stauber and Rampton
Rolling Stone: The Man Who Sold the War:
Meet John Rendon, Bush's general in the propaganda war, by JAMES BAMFORD"
The whole war with Iraq was an example of how the American people are slaves to marketing, especially when the corporate media goes along with the public relations program.
Similarly, the only reason that half the US population thinks global warming isn't happening is because of a massive public relations effort (see www.exxonsecrets.org for the details...) another example of how large chunks of the US are slaves to marketing.
These PR strategies are all based on "putting your words in someone else's mouth"; noone will believe a fossil fuel CEO who claims that global warming isn't happening, or that biofuels are the essence of evil, so 'independent third parties' are hired as 'unofficial spokespeople'.
You don't need to take my word for it - read what the propaganda monkeys have to say about their own "industry":
Inside the Minds: The Art of Public Relations is the most authoritative book ever written on public relations, written by CEOs from Edelman, Burson Marsteller, Golin/Harris, Euro RSCG, Fleishman-Hilliard and Ruder Finn. These industry visionaries reveal the secrets for companies of all sizes to get noticed, make a name for themselves and build a global brand through proven methods of public relations. Topics also covered include the everlasting effects of the Internet and technology, crisis management, establishing media contacts, working in teams, compensation and more. An unprecedented look inside the minds of the world's best PR leaders makes for critical reading for every executive, entrepreneur and anyone in the public relations, marketing and advertising world.
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See the PBS Frontline program on PR and advertising: "The Persuaders" from 2004. The interview with Peter Swire (OSU law PhD) zeroes in on Acxiom Corporation, a key player in the data mining and management industry. This is who Acxiom says you are:
"Personicx from Acxiom®, is a household level segmentation system built using InfoBase® data. By classifying all US households according to consumers’ different stages of life and related purchasing behaviors, it provides a current, accurate and consistent framework to view customers at a household level. It enables users to compare customers across their product mix, across time and across their enterprise. With 100% coverage, Personicx also enables users to see differences in how US households spend time and money. This turns raw data about customers into accurate, actionable information."
On the sinister side:
"We found from Securities and Exchange Commission records that Acxiom, a company that was seeking Homeland Security contracts, agreed to pay former General Wesley Clark hundreds of thousands of dollars for his help in persuading the government to buy the company's wares. Clark was a registered lobbyist while he simultaneously served as a military analyst on CNN, and indeed, Clark was still registered as a lobbyist when he declared his candidacy on Sept. 17, 2003."
(Charles Lewis on GregPalast.com, January 20 2004 )
Over at Choicepoint, John Ashcroft is working hard on US domestic intelligence products for future private security forces:
"...instead of getting a judge's permission to spy on everybody named Mahmoud in Atlanta, the feds can just buy the records from ChoicePoint, including everything from home addresses to their targets' preferred Safeway stores. Plus, ChoicePoint is aggressively beefing up its vast data banks. It absorbed Database Technologies, the very company that provided the inaccurate felon voter list that prevented tens of thousands of minorities from voting in Florida during the disputed 2000 election."
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Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 29, 2007 4:29 PM
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which takes out the enzimes which help you stay healthy. As for corn ,soybean ,etc samething but during processing they use more Chemical which may I add there are 15,000 Chemicals they don't have to list and many make you crave the food. Perservatives are like the shit they put in you after your dead..Now there going to clone animals and not require them to lable it. Maybe theres nothing wrong with it and maybe there is{300,000,000 white rats will tell them later}
I drive truck and there are not many places to park which means what I eat while I'm out is very limited..To what there selling!!!! Somedays I will just go with out for 3 days at a time because of the choices..I don't take medicines but eating there food is just like eating Chemicals. Subways lettus comes from Where? It's not grown naturally but Chemicals are use. I haul HazMat and sometime ago I hauled to a plant in Ohio which makes condenced soup{MMgood}hint
Anyhow my truck had 4 plaquards on it..One was the poison one with the cross bones! But they say it was food grade.I also haul other that are concidered very very toxic but was used strickly for water treatment and add to that the toxic waste of floride{check and see where it comes from} which is also added.The average person cannot find or afford to eat healthy and alot think they are eating healthy but if they buy it in a supermarket you can bet your last dollar it's got some kind of Chemical in it..Processed food is the worsed but if your going to a resturant{where you think it better} you are most likely eating it. And now we will soon pay a even higher price because soon they will claim the yeilds are down but there using it for gas..I say pay the extra and buy natural and after they can't sell the stuff they'll have to go back wards and make the stuff the way it's suppose to be made.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Jan 29, 2007 10:07 PM
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Get some chickens..for eggs and manure and bug catchers.
Grow a garden. Make compost.
Wear old clothes.
Live in a small house on a big piece of land.
Don't eat meat or smoke tobacco or drink alcohol. (or make it yourself)
Grind organic grown wheat and make your own bread.
Ride your horse or bike or walk.
Organize. Form food co-ops. Vote Green.
Read. Shoot the TV.
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"There's something like $25 billion worth of food subsidies in that piece of legislation, and most of the money tends to go to a very small number of crops, including soybeans, corn and wheat. All three of these crops basically perpetuate the unhealthy diet of Americans because specifically soy and corn are fed to cattle. ... That is how we get factory-farmed cattle, which is what keeps Americans eating a meat-centered diet -- basically what keeps meat prices so cheap."
I think that the first sentence is basically true, but I don't get what he is trying to say in the rest. Beef cattle have been finished out on feeds that are principally grain for centuries, either in feedlots, or in a corral out behind the ranch house. It is only in the last 15-20 years that the grain and packing corporations have owned more and more of the cattle that are being fed. When this corporate intrusion began, there was ample opportunity for it to be blocked by regulatory legislation, but nothing was done. It still could be blocked by laws that forbid grain companies or meat packers to own any beef animal for any more than 7 days before slaughter. Ownership of feeder cattle would then revert to individuals, primarily ranchers that would retain ownership of cattle through the feeding stage.
His last remark, about grains(and it seems that wheat is guilty only by the company it keeps with corn and soybeans) being "responsible" for America's "meat centered diet" and the "cheap price of meats" seems like he is now just trailing away into gibberish.
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jan 29, 2007 6:46 AM
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As a matter of fact, we have put evolution on hold, because we use modern medicine to offset the breakdown of vital systems to keep our unhealthy bodies alive past the point where we pass on our now detrimental genes. The whole "syndrome X" assortment of diseases, including diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease result largely from our diets.
Add to this dilemma the new, untested foods that are constantly being injected into our diet and you have a recipe for disaster. Remember, it took over fifty years for anyone to realize that trans fats were not only not good for us, but that they contributed to heart disease. We don't have fifty years to find out whether and which genetically and chemically modified foods will damage our bodies.
It's not just marketing.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jan 29, 2007 6:48 AM
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It's a mistake to focus on the Republicans. Industries make sure that they're success is independent of elections. A visit to Open Secrets will show that in the 2006 election Agribusiness "donated" $28.6 million to Republicans and $12.8 million to Democrats and these figures don't include Levin funds to state and local party committees. No matter which party wins "we the people" lose.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 29, 2007 7:19 AM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 29, 2007 8:33 AM
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This is why Korean and Indian and African small farmers are up in arms over the 'free trade agreements' between their countries and the United States - because they know the same thing will happen to them - they'll be turned into slave labor after being driven off their land by unfair market practices. It's all about controlling markets with giant agricultural monopolies - not that the corporate-owned US press wants to admit it.
The total control of agriculture by a handful of megacorporations is the goal; and while some writers on the left have picked up on the role of megacorps in ethanol production, that's only a smallish fraction of the corporate picture; after all, the same corporate concerns that control agribusiness also control the coal and oil industry - which is why Midwestern ethanol refineries are using coal to produce ethanol. However, there is obviously also a major public relations push by gasoline refiners to prevent ethanol from taking away any of their market share; infighting is taking place, but the big money is still in fossil fuels.
The problems are that industrial agriculture in all its forms is unsustainable, but it also provides a lucrative market for fossil fuels. The solution is simple; get rid of subsidies for industrial agriculture and for the fossil fuel corporations, and transfer all those subsidies to renewable energy production and to sustainable agriculture. Within no time, we could then cut off all foreign oil imports, and there'd be no reason to keep military bases in the Mideast, either, or to keeping dumping billions into the Pentagon's overseas activities, aka "the global oil field security program".
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 29, 2007 8:40 AM
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FOUR BIG MAC'S PER DAY ARE BEE-AI-DEE BAD FOR YOU.
Now that we've gotten the obvious 2/3 of the article out of the way, let's address the proposals:
1) making children a focal point for nutrition
2) ending farm subsidies
Teach kids what to eat, lead by example, and most kids will follow the example. I don't need the government squashing freedom of speech by telling companies they can't portray Sponge Bob enjoying french fries because I'm too lazy to take my kids to the park instead of letting the Dummy Box baby-sit them on Saturday morning.
With the farm subsidies, the author is spot-on. We need to abolish the subsidies, not only for food crops, but also for ethanol. Farmers and farming companies in an industrialized, modern society should be able to stand on their own, or be allowed to topple to make way for better competitors. That goes double for "alternative" fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel: if the economy to support these technologies is profitable and productive, tax payers need not absorb the risk.
Overall, this was a good article, the cheap shots at the audience's autonomy and inability to resist marketing notwithstanding. Educate your kids, repeal the farm subsidies and return those monies to the taxpayers, and enjoy a doubly enriched society.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 29, 2007 9:38 AM
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On the other hand, subsidizing only sustainable, fossil-fuel free biofuel production will benefit farmers and will likely do away with the need for subsidies altogether, as a good fraction of the money going to gasoline sales will then be redirected to farmers; what's really needed is a massive research and subsidy program directed at cellulosic ethanol instead of corn-based ethanol.
The major oil corporations are completely opposed to this, however: here's what ExxonMob has to say-Bloomberg Report Jan 29 2007
Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's largest publicly traded energy company, considers ethanol irrelevant as a solution to an addiction that forces the U.S. to import two-thirds of its oil. No "viable, meaningful business proposition'' exists for Exxon in ethanol, Senior Vice President Stuart McGill told investors at a Jan. 17 conference arranged by Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
"The nature of the science as it stands today and the technology involved requires significant forms of subsidies and mandates to make a lot of sense,'' McGill said in New York, dismissing an industry that counts Microsoft founder Bill Gates and David Rubenstein, co-founder of the Carlyle Group, the private equity firm, among its biggest enthusiasts."
So, the corporate giants are fighting it out...and they still seem to be ignoring large-scale investment in solar panel production, which is what they should be doing...
Hmmm... the question I'd like to see answered is this: can small organic farmers cheaply produce ethanol in a small-scale home still, as they did for centuries before the advent of fossil-fuel based industrial agriculture? See for example, The Secret History of Rum.
Personally, I still think that domestically produced ethanol is a far better fuel choice then foreign oil imports, though there are those who say we should use neither and stick to bicycles... which seems rather unlikely, to say the least.
A very good discussion with useful links on small-scale ethanol production by the independent farmer can be found at http://www.newrules.org/agri/smalleth.html
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 29, 2007 10:09 AM
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Toxic Sludge is Good For You, Stauber and Rampton
Trust Us, We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles with Your Future, Stauber and Rampton
Rolling Stone: The Man Who Sold the War:
Meet John Rendon, Bush's general in the propaganda war, by JAMES BAMFORD"
The whole war with Iraq was an example of how the American people are slaves to marketing, especially when the corporate media goes along with the public relations program.
Similarly, the only reason that half the US population thinks global warming isn't happening is because of a massive public relations effort (see www.exxonsecrets.org for the details...) another example of how large chunks of the US are slaves to marketing.
These PR strategies are all based on "putting your words in someone else's mouth"; noone will believe a fossil fuel CEO who claims that global warming isn't happening, or that biofuels are the essence of evil, so 'independent third parties' are hired as 'unofficial spokespeople'.
You don't need to take my word for it - read what the propaganda monkeys have to say about their own "industry":
Inside the Minds: The Art of Public Relations is the most authoritative book ever written on public relations, written by CEOs from Edelman, Burson Marsteller, Golin/Harris, Euro RSCG, Fleishman-Hilliard and Ruder Finn. These industry visionaries reveal the secrets for companies of all sizes to get noticed, make a name for themselves and build a global brand through proven methods of public relations. Topics also covered include the everlasting effects of the Internet and technology, crisis management, establishing media contacts, working in teams, compensation and more. An unprecedented look inside the minds of the world's best PR leaders makes for critical reading for every executive, entrepreneur and anyone in the public relations, marketing and advertising world.
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See the PBS Frontline program on PR and advertising: "The Persuaders" from 2004. The interview with Peter Swire (OSU law PhD) zeroes in on Acxiom Corporation, a key player in the data mining and management industry. This is who Acxiom says you are:
"Personicx from Acxiom®, is a household level segmentation system built using InfoBase® data. By classifying all US households according to consumers’ different stages of life and related purchasing behaviors, it provides a current, accurate and consistent framework to view customers at a household level. It enables users to compare customers across their product mix, across time and across their enterprise. With 100% coverage, Personicx also enables users to see differences in how US households spend time and money. This turns raw data about customers into accurate, actionable information."
On the sinister side:
"We found from Securities and Exchange Commission records that Acxiom, a company that was seeking Homeland Security contracts, agreed to pay former General Wesley Clark hundreds of thousands of dollars for his help in persuading the government to buy the company's wares. Clark was a registered lobbyist while he simultaneously served as a military analyst on CNN, and indeed, Clark was still registered as a lobbyist when he declared his candidacy on Sept. 17, 2003."
(Charles Lewis on GregPalast.com, January 20 2004 )
Over at Choicepoint, John Ashcroft is working hard on US domestic intelligence products for future private security forces:
"...instead of getting a judge's permission to spy on everybody named Mahmoud in Atlanta, the feds can just buy the records from ChoicePoint, including everything from home addresses to their targets' preferred Safeway stores. Plus, ChoicePoint is aggressively beefing up its vast data banks. It absorbed Database Technologies, the very company that provided the inaccurate felon voter list that prevented tens of thousands of minorities from voting in Florida during the disputed 2000 election."
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Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 29, 2007 4:29 PM
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which takes out the enzimes which help you stay healthy. As for corn ,soybean ,etc samething but during processing they use more Chemical which may I add there are 15,000 Chemicals they don't have to list and many make you crave the food. Perservatives are like the shit they put in you after your dead..Now there going to clone animals and not require them to lable it. Maybe theres nothing wrong with it and maybe there is{300,000,000 white rats will tell them later}
I drive truck and there are not many places to park which means what I eat while I'm out is very limited..To what there selling!!!! Somedays I will just go with out for 3 days at a time because of the choices..I don't take medicines but eating there food is just like eating Chemicals. Subways lettus comes from Where? It's not grown naturally but Chemicals are use. I haul HazMat and sometime ago I hauled to a plant in Ohio which makes condenced soup{MMgood}hint
Anyhow my truck had 4 plaquards on it..One was the poison one with the cross bones! But they say it was food grade.I also haul other that are concidered very very toxic but was used strickly for water treatment and add to that the toxic waste of floride{check and see where it comes from} which is also added.The average person cannot find or afford to eat healthy and alot think they are eating healthy but if they buy it in a supermarket you can bet your last dollar it's got some kind of Chemical in it..Processed food is the worsed but if your going to a resturant{where you think it better} you are most likely eating it. And now we will soon pay a even higher price because soon they will claim the yeilds are down but there using it for gas..I say pay the extra and buy natural and after they can't sell the stuff they'll have to go back wards and make the stuff the way it's suppose to be made.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Jan 29, 2007 10:07 PM
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Get some chickens..for eggs and manure and bug catchers.
Grow a garden. Make compost.
Wear old clothes.
Live in a small house on a big piece of land.
Don't eat meat or smoke tobacco or drink alcohol. (or make it yourself)
Grind organic grown wheat and make your own bread.
Ride your horse or bike or walk.
Organize. Form food co-ops. Vote Green.
Read. Shoot the TV.
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Posted by: Jarmadi on Jan 30, 2007 9:37 AM
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"There's something like $25 billion worth of food subsidies in that piece of legislation, and most of the money tends to go to a very small number of crops, including soybeans, corn and wheat. All three of these crops basically perpetuate the unhealthy diet of Americans because specifically soy and corn are fed to cattle. ... That is how we get factory-farmed cattle, which is what keeps Americans eating a meat-centered diet -- basically what keeps meat prices so cheap."
I think that the first sentence is basically true, but I don't get what he is trying to say in the rest. Beef cattle have been finished out on feeds that are principally grain for centuries, either in feedlots, or in a corral out behind the ranch house. It is only in the last 15-20 years that the grain and packing corporations have owned more and more of the cattle that are being fed. When this corporate intrusion began, there was ample opportunity for it to be blocked by regulatory legislation, but nothing was done. It still could be blocked by laws that forbid grain companies or meat packers to own any beef animal for any more than 7 days before slaughter. Ownership of feeder cattle would then revert to individuals, primarily ranchers that would retain ownership of cattle through the feeding stage.
His last remark, about grains(and it seems that wheat is guilty only by the company it keeps with corn and soybeans) being "responsible" for America's "meat centered diet" and the "cheap price of meats" seems like he is now just trailing away into gibberish.
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