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Questionable Conviction of Connecticut Teacher in Pop-up Porn Case
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Adware, spyware and other infectious software are known hazards to security and privacy -- and when lax cybersecurity meets anti-porn hysteria, a mailware infection can even land you in jail. Malicious coders are getting more sophisticated all the time, but law enforcement and the criminal justice system aren't keeping up. A criminal conviction can hang on the difference between a deliberate mouse click and an involuntary redirect on an infested computer. Too often, even so-called experts can't tell the difference.
On the morning of Oct. 19, 2004, Julie Amero's life changed forever when pornographic ads flooded her web browser during a class. According to the prosecuting attorney, David Smith, Amero's computer began displaying images of naked men and women, couples performing sexual acts, and "bodily fluids."
Chances are, these kids had seen porn pop-ups before. Family Safe Media estimates that boys 12 to 17 consume more internet porn than any other group. The adults at Kelly Middle School, however, were shocked and scandalized. The next week, the school sent home a notice telling parents why Amero would never teach in the district again. She was arrested shortly thereafter and charged with multiple felonies.
At trial, six of Amero's former students testified that they saw pornographic images on her monitor, either from their seats, or when they came up to her desk. One student told the court that Amero pushed his face away from the screen when she saw him looking at the racy ads.
Millions of PCs worldwide are infected with some form of malicious software. An internal Microsoft report found that four million Windows machines were infected with some form of malicious software ("malware") in mid-2006.
Spyware, adware, worms and viruses are parasitic programs that can hijack web browsers, launch unsolicited pornographic ads, and even report the inner workings of a computer to a remote observer. Users routinely download these programs without realizing they've been infected.
Amero's attorney, John F. Cocheo, argued that malware was responsible for the pornographic images, not his client.
Detective Mark Lounsbury, a computer crimes officer at the Norwich Police Department testified as an expert witness for the prosecution. He maintained that Amero was intentionally surfing for pornography while her seventh grade class busied itself with language arts.
Lounsbury told the court that Amero musts have "physically clicked" on pornographic links during class time in order to unleash the pornographic pictures. However, he admitted under cross-examination that the prosecution never even checked the computer for malware.
Why didn't the police check for malicious software? According to prosecutor David Smith, the police didn't check for malware because the defense didn't raise the possibility of a malware attack during the pretrial phase, as required by law. Defense attorney Cocheo could not be reached for comment as of press time.
Herb Horner, the proprietor of the consulting firm Contemporary Computing Consultants, testified as an expert witness for the defense. His exhaustive independent forensic analysis of Amero's hard drive showed that the machine had been infected with multiple pieces of malicious software before she arrived at the school, and that these hidden programs were responsible for the pornographic deluge.
Horner arrived in court with two laptops filled with the voluminous records of his investigation. However, the judge only let him present two slides. Prosecutor Smith objected because his team hadn't been previously informed about the malware defense.
On Jan. 5, 2007, a Norwich jury found Amero guilty of four felony counts of "injury or risk of injury to, or impairing morals of, children." Each count carries a maximum sentence of 10 years and while it is unlikely that Amero will receive the maximum penalty, incarceration remains a very real possibility. Even if Amero avoids jail, she will be stripped of her teaching credentials unless the convictions are reversed.
News of the guilty verdict sparked widespread outrage, particularly in the IT community. How could a 40-year-old woman with no prior criminal record be facing such serious charges over a few pop-up ads?
"The fact that the machine was never scanned for spyware by the investigating authorities is outrageous. In fact, this alone should have resulted in the case being dismissed, as the defense found a major spyware infection by their expert forensic evidence," wrote Alex Eckelberry, the president of Sunbelt Software, a Florida-based firm that makes anti-spyware products.
In fairness, nobody involved with the case seems happy about the outcome, either.
Since the verdict, the Norwich Police Department has been bombarded with irate calls and emails from readers who accusing them of railroading an innocent person.
"We're getting pretty much everything short of death threats," detective Lounsbury said. "I'm getting thrashed," People read a news article, and they think they know what's going on, but they're missing 99 percent of it."
According to Lounsbury, some of parents whose children were exposed to the porn demanded an aggressive police response.
"You know what people need to understand?" Lounsbury continued. "These were 12-year-olds. They reported [the porn] to their teachers, the teachers went to the administrators who brought the complaints to the network administrators. Of course, the kids told their parents. Complaints were lodged with the police. This isn't China. This isn't North Korea ... we're not Big Brother."
In the end, Amero's fate hinged on the dueling opinions of the two expert witnesses. Unfortunately, the legal system was ill-equipped to weigh their respective opinions.
The witness for the prosecution is a police officer who has to follow a very simple investigative algorithm. By all accounts, he executed his duties faithfully. Unfortunately, those responsible for evaluating his reports weren't sufficiently tech-savvy to place his findings in the proper context. ComputerCOP Pro, the software the police used to audit Amero's computer, is an automated user-friendly tool search tool designed for routine monitoring. It is not designed to definitively distinguish between user-generated clicks and the effects of malware.
Furthermore, the defense's expert witness was not allowed to share with the jury more of the evidence he had amassed. Herb Horner has 40 years of experience as a software engineer and an IT consultant. Over the past few decades, Horner has traveled the world to investigate computer glitches. His clients include a Swiss bank, a major airline and a national chain of hardware stores.
"I like to get to the bottom of things," Horner told AlterNet. "If there's a plane crash, I say don't just bury the bodies and take the trash to the dump. Find out what happened."
If the defense had told the prosecution about Horner's findings earlier, the prosecution might have been able to forestall problems by choosing an expert witness who was qualified to address Horner's testimony. Instead, the prosecution moved to suppress evidence that it wasn't prepared to handle.
Compared to Horner, the prosecution's expert witness has little formal IT training. Detective Lounsbury has completed two two-week FBI training seminars on computer security and other continuing education programs. He is also a certified user of the computer monitoring software ComputerCOP Pro.
Allison Whitney, ComputerCOP's director of communications, explained how her company certifies police officers to use the software:
"They get a full hour of training, and then they're tested," Whitney said. "A lot of these people don't have any kind of training. Their [superior] officers may give them some kind of low-level training. Most of the time we do the training over the phone."
ComputerCOP scans the hard drive and reports on when each file was created or modified. Lounsbury says he is satisfied that Amero intentionally viewed porn in class because the logs show that her computer accessed various inappropriate sites while she was sitting at the computer.
"I take that at face value," Lounsbury told Alternet. "It's evidence. It speaks for itself. The pop-up defense is a Twinkie defense."
Lounsbury said that Amero must have navigated to pornographic sites in order to have infected her computer with obscene popups. "You've got to get that ball rolling," he said.
Horner's analysis of Amero's hard drive cast doubt on Lounsbury's conclusions. Horner found that the computer had been infected with malware before she arrived.
"She was set up days or weeks before she ever sat down," Horner said.
Here are just a few of the red flags Horner discovered in course of his laborious forensic reconstruction: Anti-virus software triggered security alerts as soon as he started copying the hard disk for testing. The computer's Norton activity log showed that by the time Amero came to Kelly, her computer was already infected with spyware from notorious websites including marketscore.com and new.net.
One piece of spyware had been already been tracking the computer for about a month.
Horner also discovered that someone, presumably the computer's regular user, had been accessing eHarmony.com before Amero's visit. As he noted, dating sites are notorious for spreading porn-related adware.
Another program called Pasco showed that malware had automatically redirected Amero's browser. Horner stressed that this particular form of hijacking is invisible to ComputerCOP Pro.
On Oct. 19, someone did an online job search shortly after 8:00 a.m., activating several different malware apps. At approximately 8:15 a.m., someone accessed www.hair-styles.org, Horner suspects student involvement, in part because the next visit was to Crayola's homepage. Over the next several minutes, still more malware came alive, most likely triggered by the hair site.
The user kept surfing, and by this point, "crap was pouring into the computer at the speed of electricity," Horner said. The real point of no return was when the computer received a huge porn-filled Java file. From that point on, the machine was locked in an endless porn loop.
Note that Amero's class started around 9 a.m. Neither the prosecutor nor detective Lounsbury was able to tell AlterNet whether the room had been locked before class, or exactly what time Amero sat down at her desk.
At trial, it emerged that the school IT department offered no protection against obscene content or invasive software. The Kelly Middle School's firewall license had expired, leaving the whole system unguarded. To make matters worse, Amero was working on a very old Gateway PC running Windows 98, an extremely vulnerable setup.
"Anyone could send anything they wanted to any computer on the site," Horner said.
In the course of his investigation, Horner became convinced of Amero's innocence. After she was convicted, he sent a letter to her attorney offering his services pro bono for her upcoming appeal.
"This whole trial was so unfair," Horner said. "When Julie was convicted, I went home that night. I was eating dinner, and I started crying. I just cried my eyes out. This was a total travesty of justice."
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Posted by: chomsky on Jan 19, 2007 1:32 AM
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All computers running Windows 95, 98, or XP and connected to the Internet are in a perilous position. The only way to protect one of these computers is by installing security updates, virus protection, firewall, blacklisting all known bad websites, regular malware scanning, and using an alternative web browser. And even then they still can get infected!
Within seconds of plugging in the Internet cable, an unpatched Windows computer will be infected by the blaster virus. I've seen it happen, in seconds! And since you have to update Windows on the Internet to fix the Blaster security hole, you have a Catch-22.
Defending a Windows computer against malware not only requires IT skills, it requires militaristic strategy! You have to, find and destroy infected files, fortify the OS, know the enemy, anticipate unconventional attacks and learn how to counter them. When battling some pretty nasty infections, I've seen a virus take complete control of Norton Antivirus, effectively turning your alley against you. There is a reason why they use terms like "Trojans" and "attacks." War terms are the only way to describe it.
The best way to avoid all this trouble is to just get a Mac, and put more Macs in schools. Macintosh Computers don't have any virus or malware problems. You can connect a Mac to the Internet without risk of compromising it.
Some Windows advocates say that this is true because Windows is more popular, therefore a better target for malware. This is partially true, but there is a lot more to it. The main reason why Macs are more secure is because they are designed in an incredibly well thought out and secure way. Mac OS 10.3 was never compromised by any sort of virus or malware. Then they released 10.4, adding many more security layers to a system that was already proven impervious. Some might think that's excessive, but that is what you have to do to effectively stop malware before it happens.
Windows security is just lame. Anyone with a bit of Scripting skills can read about an un-patched Windows vulnerability on the web and create malware programs similar to the one that got Amero arrested. The problem isn't just the people writing the malware, it's the fact that they can compromise Windows so easily, with so little effort or.
Macs, like any system created by human beings, can't be perfect. So it is possible that someone might one day create malware that can successfully attack a Mac. It would take truly masterful hacking to overcome all of Mac's masterful security structures. No one has done it yet, although many have tried. Its security is virtually impenetrable.
I switched from Windows to Mac about a year ago, and I'm still amazed at how much time I've saved not having to deal with malware. Since everything works the way it's suppose to, I can spend all my time on the computer being productive or having fun.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Jan 19, 2007 3:49 AM
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There are freely available open source operating systems and web browsers which can be downloaded from the internet, and free applications to make these systems useful in schools. The use of an operating system like Sun's Solaris or one of the many flavours of Linux would have prevented the children from seeing any scatological content, and the good lady would still have her job.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jan 19, 2007 4:49 AM
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I use Pentium II's with windows 98 with little to no trouble. BUT, I use 98Lite to remove internet explorer and install Mozilla Firefox. Once internet explorer is removed windows 98 becomes much more stable, and when something crashes it is usually the program itself and not the entire OS. Zone Alarm is an excellent firewall that I would never be without if I was using a windows computer. Plus there are a few decent virus scanners that are inexpensive or free.
It's terrible Amero had the computer on. She must not be the brightest bulb in the batch either. I am always wary when using someone else's computer. That may have been the only thing she did wrong. I can not understand trying to punish her so severely for such an insignificant mistake. I'll bet she will be more careful with computers in the future.
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Sorry, I don't believe for a second it was an accident. I think that guy was sitting in a classroom of children looking at pornopgraphy. I am also a teacher and as such whatever adults do in their adult world when you in a school you are a teacher and mentor of children and their is no place for pornography in the classroom. Any person who owns a computer in 2006 should have better sense than he diplayed.
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Posted by: laoma on Jan 19, 2007 6:28 AM
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It's OK to teach our children to lie, cheat, steal, defraud, manipulate, kill, butcher, rape, torture, , but to expose them to some realistic sex education? Oh, my goodness, how horrible can it get?
Sexual repression is a good indicator of hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy.
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Posted by: nhs on Jan 19, 2007 6:44 AM
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EVEN IF a teacher has the criminal intent to expose children to porn, having the School PC go through a router, which blocks access to porn sites, would offer protection.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Jan 19, 2007 7:44 AM
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Second, Americans are to insecure and anxious about little matters. Most feel no control over there lives, so they tend to blow things out of perspective. This case is an example.
Third, this proves the intolerence of American society.
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Posted by: anotherday on Jan 19, 2007 8:00 AM
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It is a big whoop to parents and to people not so saturated with a steady pornography diet they've become desensitized to the violence and disrespect displayed in mainstream pornography and the power of such evocative images on kids.
Why are pornographers and porn advertisers not responsible for forcing their "adult-only" products on every man, women, and child that comes 10 feet near a computer? I could not hand out beer to 12-year-olds with the excuse that many kids have already used alcohol so it's no big deal, so why can't the porn-pushing abusers of the Internet not be held to existing legal standards for willfully ignoring age restrictions for their aggressively promoted product?
Unfortunately, to get to that point more liberals would have to begin seeing the hands of wealthy corporate pornographers behind such pop up "accidents" where right now they jump into a predictable pornographer-defending stance.
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Posted by: godsbedamned on Jan 19, 2007 8:53 AM
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Also, why do we consider children to be 'innocent' vessels who should not be hear or see any of the problems of the world? When people say, it's the job of parents to introduce 'controversial' topics at home, I always think, gee, isn't that a self-serving way of saying 'I don't want my child exposed to anything that challenges bigotry or fosters critical thinking'? (Case in point: The parents and religious leaders who get up in arms when schools discuss homosexuality as something natural and not deviant? [as if heterosexuality is anything less constructed]).
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 19, 2007 10:07 AM
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If that were true, then hundreds of thousands of Africans, Eskimos, and Pacific Islanders who as kids grew up in environments where sex and eroticism were open and tolerated--well I guess they should be alot more psycho then they appear to be today.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 19, 2007 10:13 AM
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The judge also failed to properly instruct the jury, or they would never have voted to convict where there was obvious doubt. I'm afraid prosecutors, in particular, now work to keep intelligent people off juries, in order to make convictions easier. I keep wondering what kind of idiots those jurors were, and not only in this case. I think they're selected for that during pretrial maneuvering. That should not be possible; lawyers should not be able to remove potential jurors except "for cause" - the present system sanctions jury rigging. (The defense also made serious mistakes, according to this report. I'm offended that the judge allowed that to cause a miscarriage of justice. The case should have been dismissed as soon as Horner testified.)
So, yes, they were all idiots about computers and the Internet, but that shouldn't have mattered.
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Posted by: moschops on Jan 19, 2007 10:58 AM
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She should be suing someone for providing computer software that was prone to pops like that, a network that allowed access to porn content instead of just blocking them (or allowing only access to specific safe sites), and providing a computer to use that was riddled with spyware. What is the point of "Cop" software if it can't block such sites and if no one is paying attention to the problems it detects?
When teaching a computer should be set to give a complete clean and known environment every time you log on, just like in an Internet cafe set up - if you want to save something for beyond the session then save it to a personal USB disk for later use. It doesn't require a Mac or Linux box to acheive this, and software like VMWare can provide a rock solid roll back to known clean environment on every startup.
Schools should use these solutions and not engage in blame fest until they have secure and safe environments for teachers and kids to use.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit on Jan 19, 2007 11:59 AM
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Let's say for the sake of argument that the teacher actually was doing what they are accused of. Does anyone in their right mind consider what happened to warrent 6 felonies? Years in jail?
If we give such a shit about kids then why are so many of them uninsured? Why are so many living in poverty? Why are so many undereducated? And why aren't we taking care of the planet they'll inherit when we're gone?
This incident is so absurd as to be laughable. But someones life hangs in the balance because of it. We are being treated like fools. Bullied about by idiots. I'm sick of it.
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Posted by: Realman on Jan 19, 2007 12:11 PM
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I've come across a few glaring mistakes in Alternet articles I've read today. Below are the ones I found in this article. Could you please fix them?
"One piece of spyware had been already been tracking the computer for about a month."
"Amero musts have"
"from readers who accusing them "
"a mailware infection" - may or may not be a mistake; both the term "malware" and "mailware" is used in the article later, but I think "malware" is what was intended in all cases.
I realize pointing this out is somewhat off-topic; but it saddens me that an otherwise good article is marred by a lack of proofreading. Thanks.
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Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Jan 19, 2007 12:49 PM
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I mean, you have a cop that's cowering and hiding from people, saying, "Uh, everyone hates meeeee! Oh, noes! And I didn't check the computer! But that's not important! WAAAAH!" You have obvious procedural screwups. You have people that openly admit to pandering to the parents' bloodlust. In short, she's going to be wealthy. I mean, this article, with the stupid quotes, is enough to make anyone wonder what the hell people were thinking.
And shame on these porn companies for peddling their wares through such shady methods. Come the hell on. It's just getting out of hand if it's costing people their freedom and their jobs! I hope she sues them, too!
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jan 19, 2007 1:08 PM
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I'm sure all you have to do is google any word like "bukakke" and then click on one of the results and your computer, if unprotected, will be infected.
Why don't they throw Bill Gates in jail for making a piece of [censored] software that is so craptastic a 6 year old could make it crash? Jesus, it took them what, 8 friggin years to come up with a popup blocker? W...T...F... and the damn thing still don't work half the time.
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Posted by: shanaza on Jan 19, 2007 2:10 PM
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Posted by: marid on Jan 19, 2007 2:50 PM
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It is my job to protect kids in a school district from such occurances. It is impossible to prevent 100% of this type of crap from reaching our kids, that is a fact Mr. Horton would back up. In most homes that I am familiar with there is little or no effort on the part of the clueless parents to protect their children. When our school district sends out notices, warnings, information, or has informational meetings for parents we are greeted with scorn or ridicule.
Our district is protected at the sender end in Madison, WI where our signal originates. We pay for filtering by the UW Madison and their experts. At the receiving end we bought a firewall and pay for filtering services a second time. We also regularly run anti spyware programs and current virus software. We spend a fair amount of money to keep our kids safe. They deserve it. Despite these efforts, very infequently we have an incident, but they are dealt with instantly and summarlily. OUr staff and Subs are instructed in how to proceed with Turn Off The Monitor as the first defense.
Teachers routinely use systems with students in the classroom. Attendance, Gradechecks, Lunch counts, Email, online curriculum, real time involvement are all part of the normal school day in most districts today. We are not in the 50"s.
I have checked computers in banks, car dealerships, and various other businesses, everyone has been infected to some degree. I have helped them improve their defenses. Usually for free, their my friends and community members. I have not checked a single system in the past few years that did not have some level of infection.
The purveyors of Porn should be held responsible, but it is extremely difficult to do.
States or the Federal Government should attack this problem on a broad base by setting standards, which they do to some extent, and providing, free of charge, the filtering tools to protect all our children. It would be a great step in the right direction.
Parents need to quit using the Internet as a baby sitter, move the system to an open, highly trafficed room and think about installing some of the very effective blocking software available for around $30.
Oh, and Mac people, they are coming for you too. You will find out very soon as has my Mac friend.
After all this I think I will sign off and run one of my spyware checkers.
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Posted by: grolan on Jan 19, 2007 3:36 PM
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The cops involved should quit pretending they know anything about computer forensics after "an hour of over the phone training" on a package that doesn't even address the problem. With his clueless bumbling around, he probably rendered the machine contaminated as a piece of evidence. That's all we need in a court setting in front of a non-technical jury - some bozo in a police uniform spouting off about technical issues he doesn't understand. The jury looks at the uniform and sees "authority", while the defense expert, who is a genuine forensics expert, is not allowed to show his evidence. I particularly like the cop's comment about how everyone was screaming for aggressive action. What does that have to do with law enforcement? He sounds like the cowardly lone sheriff in an old west town who turns a suspect over to the angry lynch mob rather than seeing justice done.
Plenty of blame to go around here, but none of it belongs with the substitute teacher. Incompetent IT, penny pinching school administrators scared of the PTA, and a bozo in a cop uniform pretending to know computer forensics. Not to mention kids messing with the teacher's p.c., who probably shouldn't be allowed to touch it anyway. And the poor teacher takes the fall. What a joke. God help you if your computer is taken over by a bot and starts spewing porno spam - you're likely to be thrown in jail by the technically clueless masses.
I wonder if she has a defense fund. I'd be happy to contribute to it. This mess should have been declared a mistrial.
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Posted by: pieandpeas on Jan 19, 2007 3:42 PM
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I'm an ordinary computer user. I'm not specially trained, I can't write software. I have no legal training. I do have something in common with this poor woman though, I am a teacher.
15 minutes ago, I decided to see how quickly I could gather salient information which bore on this case, I imposed the time limit of 15 mins and determined that anything I quoted was referenced and would probably be accepted as evidence. (Given my lack of legal experience, on this point I could be wrong.)
The vast bulk of the facts her are the result of a search
here
This is what I discovered.
There are over three hundred products being sold right now as anti-spyware, malware. To convince you to buy, the publishers give you a free trial version which installs a virus, miraculously detects it, then conveniently provides a web address where you can buy it because the tril version can only detect, you must get the paid version to remove it. The policy in the US is to prosecute and a ridiculously small team of people investigate. Their backlog is unmanageable and , when they do prosecute, the charge they usually face is one of "Agressive Marketing" with such a low penalty that it serves no purpose as a deterrant.
Malicious programmers have released a large number of fake anti-spyware programs, and widely distributed Web banner ads now spuriously warn users that their computers have been infected with spyware, directing them to purchase programs which do not actually remove spyware — or worse, may add more spyware of their own
Some other types of spyware (Targetsoft, for example) modify system files so they will be harder to remove. Targetsoft modifies the "Winsock" Windows Sockets files. The deletion of the spyware-infected file "inetadpt.dll" will interrupt normal networking usage. Unlike users of many other operating systems, a typical Windows user has administrative privileges, mostly for convenience. Because of this, any program the user runs (intentionally or not) has unrestricted access to the system.
Some attackers used the Spybot worm to install spyware that put pornographic pop-ups on the infected system's screen. By directing traffic to ads set up to channel funds to the spyware authors, they profit personally.
Unauthorized access to a computer is illegal under computer crime laws, such as the U.S. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, However, few spyware developers have been prosecuted, and many operate openly as strictly legitimate businesses, though some have faced lawsuits.
The FTC has filed a complaint against Movieland.com and eleven other defendants, charging them with having "engaged in a nationwide scheme to use deception and coercion to extract payments from consumers." The complaint alleges that the software repeatedly opened oversized pop-up windows that could not be closed or minimized, accompanied by music that lasted nearly a minute, demanding payment of at least $29.95 to end the pop-up cycle; and claiming that consumers had signed up for a three-day free trial but did not cancel their membership before the trial period was over, and were thus obligated to pay.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Posted by: danielgeery on Jan 19, 2007 5:56 PM
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You'll find my story there too.
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Jan 19, 2007 6:34 PM
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Never mind the facts that this was an unguarded computer and the preposterous notion that a 40-yr old woman with no criminal record would be accessing porn right in front of her class. Just get another perp! Just nail another case! Just "protect our children". Get someone, anyone, get more bodies crammed into more and bigger prisons....
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Posted by: rabidLibrarian on Jan 19, 2007 8:25 PM
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Here's a crash course in how the adware game works: to supplement her retirement income, Aunt Mitty starts up a website dedicated to knitting. For some reason, her site gets wildly popular and her visitors start using more bandwidth than her hosting plan provides for. Mitty's host notifies her that she needs to pony up for more bandwidth or her site will be closed off after she reaches her bandwidth limit. Mitty can't afford to pay all or even part of the extra cost, so she looks for ways to raise money. She comes across an ad promising her money for becoming an "affiliate" of an online marketing company that delivers targeted ads. All she has to do is paste some code into her website that will cause her visitors to download the ad company's software. Next time you visit Mitty's website looking for instructions on how to knit a sweater, the program, which is usually crafted to take advantage of security holes, misconfigured settings, and/or the user's own lack of knowledge, installs itself to your machine, most likely without your knowledge. Once the program is installed, it's apt to make a call to some of the ad company's partners and download their adware, too. So, simply by visiting an innocent site run by a little, old lady on social security, you now have a screen full of difficult-to-close pop-up porn and a ten-year-old with bug eyes.
My second bone of contention is with the school's IT manager, whether in-house or an outside contractor. I mean, Win98??? C'mon!!! Microsoft hasn't released a security update for that OS in years. If cost is such a big issue with these guys, then dump Windows and get one of the free, open-source options. A few years ago, out of curiosity, I put my old Win98 PC (with all the final security updates that were released) on the internet. Within ten minutes, that machine was crawling with malware. Now, there is no shortage of free, user-friendly apps out there designed to remove and even prevent infection by adware. Would it have killed IT to install it and set it up to automatically update? From what I've read here, there's no way this teacher should have been held responsible.
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Posted by: estrin1959 on Jan 19, 2007 8:56 PM
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16 years old boy in Arizona and his criminal case.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=bizarre&id=4935302
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244009,00.html
I send you links to publications about my case.
I was forced to confess to the
possession of internet digital pictures of porn in deleted clusters of
my computer hard drive.
http://www.inquisition21.com/article~view~7~page_num~3.html
This is publication in Wired news
http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,63391,00.html
Child porn law was declared unconstitutional in Hennepin County, Minnesota, USA'
http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=11750
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Posted by: dancerkc on Jan 19, 2007 10:27 PM
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A few years later a careless temp in a firm I was working in as a programmer brought in Kazaa to listen to while she typed, not to mention her instant messaging. Her machine was the source malware which shut us down for a day and a half, costing tens of thousands of dollars. Those of us in IT worked around the clock to repair the server damage.
At the same firm, a large national software firm hired to update a major enterprise application had its own problem with zombies just a couple of years prior. They had discovered the reason for a badly slow server. Someone had dropped a porn site into their own server which meant they were unwittingly hosting a porn site.
This stuff can hit anyone, even when you have knowlegable people in network security. Knowlege cuts the damage and protects your but there is always the odd moment, the distracted employee, and more. As my martial arts instructor once told me, it doesn't matter how good you are, even the top fighter can be knocked out by a doofus with a lucky hit. Same for malware and all those computer users.
There is no way you can close all the holes and keep them closed. Sooner or later something may penetrate. And the very idea that Macs are safe is already wrong. Maybe only VMS was really secure - technically - although Mitnik got through - but only with so called "human engineering." A con job, in other words. And there is no dirth of con jobs coming at us.
Worse, as usual, is ignorance in determined action mode. The cops in the account above appear to be as stupid about computers as you can get. A little knowlege being gawdawful damaging - to the innocent. At the very least they need to back off and re-instate that woman.
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Posted by: Bilby on Jan 19, 2007 11:06 PM
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Anyway, I received an email fro him one day asking for help. Apparantly his office computer was displaying pronography - exactly as described with the case here. He'd tried removing it with all the standard packages, but nothing worked. Now I guess you could claim that he wasn't as good as we thought, but in this case the reason none of the packages worked was that the particular spyware/adware/malware was so new that the various anti-virus, anti-spyware packages hadn't found it yet. He hadn't been surfing porn sites, and his computer was up-to-date, with all of the latest packages.
Now, I know that there were things he could have done to prevent the problem, but the point is simply that if he could become infected with software that displayed porn on his computer, without his knowledge and without inappropriate actions on his part, then I don't have too much trouble believing that the same could have happened to a school teacher with more limited computer knowledge, working on an unsecure system in an unsecure environment. So while I wouldn't be foolish enough to claim that Ms Amero hadn't been doing anything wrong (as I haven't viewed all the evidence), I'd certainly like to leave open the possibility that she hadn't, and would have liked to have seen that properly explored in court.
Just to clarify a couple of issues raised earlier:
While I would also be inclined to argue that she should have turned off the computer, reports elsewhere suggested that she was told by the school that the computers were not to be turned off.
Turning off the monitor makes sense, and I'm surprised that she didn't do so. But then, she was also probably unaware of what was going on and why.
Other reports suggest that she had raised concerns about the situation with the school.
Telling the difference between deliberate surfing and spyware is tricky, and can't be (as far as I'm aware) automated. It could be analyised in most cases (to the point where you could make a case that spyware may have been involved), but it woud take someone with reasonable knowledge of forensics, and you would need to specifically look for patterns in teh log files.
Anyway, I guess if I hadn't seen this happen to someone I worked with I would have been more sceptical. But I've seen it, and I know it can happen, so I would have to argue that the defense had a solid case that should have been explored.
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Posted by: CrystalD on Jan 20, 2007 5:28 PM
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Given enough innocent people railroaded into jail just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, no-one is going to want to go into teaching or another "caring" profession and all we'll have left are bottom-feeders and people too stupid or incompetent to get another job. If you keep saying all teachers are perverts, pretty soon only perverts will want to teach.
If this lady had a "pop up incident" at a corporate training session, the VERY worst that might happen is that she'd be fired. More likely, all she'd get was a talking-to about being sure her computer was thoroughly firewalled and virus-proofed. But because we are so hysterical about Protecting Our Chirrun, she's gotten a life sentence. Pathetic. And so sad for her.
Remind me never to go near anyone else's spawn of Satan, er I mean children, no matter what. Kids are not worth going to jail for.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 21, 2007 12:37 AM
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This case is a gross over-reaction and a hideous violation of this person's rights.
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Posted by: insulaparadigm on Jan 21, 2007 10:18 PM
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what I find funny is how interested these kids are in their own innocence. I'm not arguing that it's good for the kids to see porn at all - but do they really care enough to testify in court etc ? This is just adults fighting other adults with kids as the excuse. Why on earth are middle schoolers so interested in maintaining their own innocence? Do they want to stay children forever?
Middle school in my memory was worse than high school in terms of status seeking, teasing, moronic pack mentality.
oh and spitefulness too - and back then none of us saw a drop of porn. dumb teacher and used students and a waste of taxpayer money when we rank low in math and science scores worldwide. If she really was surfing porn during class she's perhaps not intelligent enough to teach int he first place. :) if so strip her of her license but that really doesn't qualify for jail time. Are we going to have porn free zones around schools now?
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Posted by: Clark Pratt on Jan 23, 2007 1:06 PM
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I have lived in Denmark for ten years, so I am not always on top of everything that happens in CT. But I was shocked, saddened and angered to learn yesterday that an acquaintance of mine, Julie Amero, faces 40 years in prison for an offense involving Internet pornography and schoolchildren.What if it had been pop-ups of weapons? Or Saddam Hussein’s hanging?
Let me state from the beginning: I am against public uproar where no one gets to the real issue. I am against punishing people for alleged social crimes by sending them to desocialization in prison. And I am against the fear and mistrust Americans (and a growing number of Danes) have for the people who have daily contact with their children.
Let us take the worst case scenario, which I do not think is the case, but … what if Julie Amero was using the Internet’s vast pornography resources to “turn herself on” when she was supposed to be taking care of the education of 7th graders? What if she was doing it to prepare herself to go over more terrible boundaries – showing sexual acts to the children or inviting them to perform sexual acts with her or each other? Then she would need help from caring people to get her own sexuality in perspective, to take her professional life more seriously and to develop a network of friends and colleagues whom she could turn to, if she did not have the resources herself to avoid similar situations. There are probably 100 million people in the USA who fit the description in the last sentence. Who takes them seriously, before they do something stupid? Who forgives them and still loves them, after they do something stupid? The system of judgment and punishment is neither the only tradition in Western Civilization, nor the only way to treat people in a modern society.
I think the real issues are not children, porno and protection. It is too late to protect our children from digital pornography. (And one hundred years ago, we would also try to protect our children from reading many of the books or seeing many of the films, which we buy for them now!) But it is not too late to teach our children that sexuality is one thing (many things?) which we can teach in schools, teach at home, establish an environment where people are not ashamed or embarrassed or afraid of questions and experiences and that pornography is something else. Why is pornography so popular, such a giant industry, when it is based in power relations which are humiliating and financial relations which are so unequal? Well, look at your country folks! Why is America such a giant industry which is based in power relations which are humiliating and financial relations which are so unequal?
As a school teacher, I know that the only way to educate children to make a better world than the one they inherit from us is to nurture their self-respect, their feelings of value for themselves, other people and the planet. When classrooms become places for growth and trust instead of fear and distrust, students will have a chance to really learn some important lessons. The Salem Witch Trials are one of the darkest periods in the history of childhood in the USA. Julie Amero never had a chance in the social environment that prevails in America today. Should teachers never dare to turn on a computer, discuss sexuality with students under 18, go to their colleagues if they suspect they need help with something? Should we not trust a person who has never hurt a child and who says she is innocent? The legal aspects of this trial are not what interest me. It seems that many people are out for blood, because they think their children will have bad lives or turn into sex demons because of what is on the Internet. Children have so much in their hearts, they can survive a lot of pictures and films. But their hearts can’t survive a society that hates so much, it punishes people like Julie Amero.
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Posted by: Cobra on Jan 24, 2007 7:49 AM
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So, the system on which it was found has zero protection against anything like this, and the investigating cop has zero training. Way to go..
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Posted by: gbworld on Jan 24, 2007 11:22 AM
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1. Hit site
2. Class downloaded
3. Popup started
While the class may sit on a drive for a long time, it lies dormant until triggered. It is also possible a long sitting spyware app might fire a Java class, it would be extra work to set it up this way. For popups only, it would be a huge amount of work for nothing.
Using forensics and a bit of investigation, you could find the site that triggered (and probably downloaded) the Java class. You could then determine the time it was downloaded from the index file left on the drive. This would show you when it was downloaded and what site. If the site was a porn site, and the only user who could have been surfing at that time was the teacher, you have a fairly open and shut case. Possible appeals:
1. The class was downloaded/triggered when others could have been on the computer.
2. The site that triggered the porn was not a porn site. (If not, it was probably a hacker site or warez site, which she should not have been surfing, but she should get lesser disciplinary actions than jail time).
Forensics can also determine if the teacher had hit these types of sites before this incident.
As for the "bash Microsoft" comments: The guilty party in this one is the malware writer and not Bill Gates. While I acknowledge MS has had numerous problems in the past, and some more recent, they are no more guilty than Smith & Wesson in a murder case. It is the person creating malware who is guilty party.
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Posted by: morticia on Jan 24, 2007 12:55 PM
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Posted by: dbx26 on Jan 25, 2007 10:27 AM
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Are you still burning witch in your country ? So sad...
Phil
(from France)
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Posted by: counterpoint on Jan 25, 2007 10:34 AM
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Posted by: counterpoint on Jan 25, 2007 10:42 AM
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Worse, the same can happen with colleagues, and I'm certain that many smaller companies don't follow protocol when it comes to internet safety. Often they'll simply have a few computers on ethernet.
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Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 25, 2007 2:09 PM
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America!! "Guilty to proven Innocent"
So many people in this country get rail roaded every day but if you have the big bucks you get off..All teachers in the USA should protest and have every computer removed from the classes because of this..Anyone of them could be next!!
It's called covering your Ass..
And we still allow
The Cop should be thrown off the force for dereliction of duty for not following every lead
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Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 25, 2007 2:25 PM
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Maybe it will come back to haunt them..
Turn abouts far play..
I hope they get what they gave!
Bad part is they set a presidence for others to have it happen to them..
The Freaken Jurors probably never used a computer.
These are most likely the same jury that awarded the lady all that money for being stupid for spilling hot coffee on herself.
Or the guy who bought a RV and set cruise control and then went in the back and when the thing rolled he sued the company and won because it didn't keep control while crusing with him not at the wheel..
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Posted by: freeda'all on Jan 25, 2007 10:40 PM
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/299371_paynt12.html
I can't believe that people would actually think that a man who exposes himself to women while he's driving is a safe person to leave in charge of children.
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You have based your opinion, as have so many others, on the disinformation fed to you by the media and by the so called Expert for the defense. As a result, the real victims have been forgotten and I have been the target of ridicule and death threats, bestowed upon me by those I have sworn to protect.
I assure you the verdict reached by a jury of the accused's peers was just. The evidence presented in court was factual and forensically sound. I expressed NO opinion, just the evidence. The "clicked link" storey (taken out of context) has been turned into something other than what it is. (Wouldn't you think the Expert would have rebutted such testimony?)
Once the accused's sentencing is done I intend on presenting the evidence to anyone who wants to know the truth, though I doubt the conspiracy mongers want the truth. Is the TRUTH important to you? I have explained the process of investigating these types of crimes, under the prevailing circumstances, to Network Performance Daily.
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You may also read the tale spun by the Expert on the same site. I assure you that I have the evidence to prove this charlatan is being less than truthful and I would appreciate someone demanding from him the source code containing the malicious active content of which he speaks. As for the trojans, viruses, worms, and adware he spoke of: what were they? when were they created locally? what do they do?? He didn't say. I'd suggest looking at Trojan Dropper.Small.11.V, Elitemedia Pop64, CWS.XPSystem, and Netsetter aka Marketscore. You'll note that they serve particular purposes which I will discuss when I'm at liberty.
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To all those of little faith who believe the Government (aka: BIG Brother) and its minions would conspire to persecute innocent, GOD fearing individuals for entertainment I say GET A GRIP. Peut un dieu me donner la force.
Again, once sentencing is completed I would be very happy to share with you the evidence so that you are better able to form an educated opinion. I would appreciate your demanding from the Expert his data. It saddens me to receive correspondence from a knowledgeable professional, such as yourself which contains insults based on mere conjecture. Your missing 990 pieces of this 1000 piece puzzle.
Attendez jusqu'à ce que ce soit nuit avant de le dire ait été un jour beau.
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Posted by: chomsky on Jan 19, 2007 1:32 AM
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All computers running Windows 95, 98, or XP and connected to the Internet are in a perilous position. The only way to protect one of these computers is by installing security updates, virus protection, firewall, blacklisting all known bad websites, regular malware scanning, and using an alternative web browser. And even then they still can get infected!
Within seconds of plugging in the Internet cable, an unpatched Windows computer will be infected by the blaster virus. I've seen it happen, in seconds! And since you have to update Windows on the Internet to fix the Blaster security hole, you have a Catch-22.
Defending a Windows computer against malware not only requires IT skills, it requires militaristic strategy! You have to, find and destroy infected files, fortify the OS, know the enemy, anticipate unconventional attacks and learn how to counter them. When battling some pretty nasty infections, I've seen a virus take complete control of Norton Antivirus, effectively turning your alley against you. There is a reason why they use terms like "Trojans" and "attacks." War terms are the only way to describe it.
The best way to avoid all this trouble is to just get a Mac, and put more Macs in schools. Macintosh Computers don't have any virus or malware problems. You can connect a Mac to the Internet without risk of compromising it.
Some Windows advocates say that this is true because Windows is more popular, therefore a better target for malware. This is partially true, but there is a lot more to it. The main reason why Macs are more secure is because they are designed in an incredibly well thought out and secure way. Mac OS 10.3 was never compromised by any sort of virus or malware. Then they released 10.4, adding many more security layers to a system that was already proven impervious. Some might think that's excessive, but that is what you have to do to effectively stop malware before it happens.
Windows security is just lame. Anyone with a bit of Scripting skills can read about an un-patched Windows vulnerability on the web and create malware programs similar to the one that got Amero arrested. The problem isn't just the people writing the malware, it's the fact that they can compromise Windows so easily, with so little effort or.
Macs, like any system created by human beings, can't be perfect. So it is possible that someone might one day create malware that can successfully attack a Mac. It would take truly masterful hacking to overcome all of Mac's masterful security structures. No one has done it yet, although many have tried. Its security is virtually impenetrable.
I switched from Windows to Mac about a year ago, and I'm still amazed at how much time I've saved not having to deal with malware. Since everything works the way it's suppose to, I can spend all my time on the computer being productive or having fun.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Jan 19, 2007 3:49 AM
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There are freely available open source operating systems and web browsers which can be downloaded from the internet, and free applications to make these systems useful in schools. The use of an operating system like Sun's Solaris or one of the many flavours of Linux would have prevented the children from seeing any scatological content, and the good lady would still have her job.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jan 19, 2007 4:49 AM
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I use Pentium II's with windows 98 with little to no trouble. BUT, I use 98Lite to remove internet explorer and install Mozilla Firefox. Once internet explorer is removed windows 98 becomes much more stable, and when something crashes it is usually the program itself and not the entire OS. Zone Alarm is an excellent firewall that I would never be without if I was using a windows computer. Plus there are a few decent virus scanners that are inexpensive or free.
It's terrible Amero had the computer on. She must not be the brightest bulb in the batch either. I am always wary when using someone else's computer. That may have been the only thing she did wrong. I can not understand trying to punish her so severely for such an insignificant mistake. I'll bet she will be more careful with computers in the future.
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Sorry, I don't believe for a second it was an accident. I think that guy was sitting in a classroom of children looking at pornopgraphy. I am also a teacher and as such whatever adults do in their adult world when you in a school you are a teacher and mentor of children and their is no place for pornography in the classroom. Any person who owns a computer in 2006 should have better sense than he diplayed.
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Posted by: laoma on Jan 19, 2007 6:28 AM
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It's OK to teach our children to lie, cheat, steal, defraud, manipulate, kill, butcher, rape, torture, , but to expose them to some realistic sex education? Oh, my goodness, how horrible can it get?
Sexual repression is a good indicator of hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy.
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EVEN IF a teacher has the criminal intent to expose children to porn, having the School PC go through a router, which blocks access to porn sites, would offer protection.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Jan 19, 2007 7:44 AM
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Second, Americans are to insecure and anxious about little matters. Most feel no control over there lives, so they tend to blow things out of perspective. This case is an example.
Third, this proves the intolerence of American society.
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It is a big whoop to parents and to people not so saturated with a steady pornography diet they've become desensitized to the violence and disrespect displayed in mainstream pornography and the power of such evocative images on kids.
Why are pornographers and porn advertisers not responsible for forcing their "adult-only" products on every man, women, and child that comes 10 feet near a computer? I could not hand out beer to 12-year-olds with the excuse that many kids have already used alcohol so it's no big deal, so why can't the porn-pushing abusers of the Internet not be held to existing legal standards for willfully ignoring age restrictions for their aggressively promoted product?
Unfortunately, to get to that point more liberals would have to begin seeing the hands of wealthy corporate pornographers behind such pop up "accidents" where right now they jump into a predictable pornographer-defending stance.
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Posted by: godsbedamned on Jan 19, 2007 8:53 AM
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Also, why do we consider children to be 'innocent' vessels who should not be hear or see any of the problems of the world? When people say, it's the job of parents to introduce 'controversial' topics at home, I always think, gee, isn't that a self-serving way of saying 'I don't want my child exposed to anything that challenges bigotry or fosters critical thinking'? (Case in point: The parents and religious leaders who get up in arms when schools discuss homosexuality as something natural and not deviant? [as if heterosexuality is anything less constructed]).
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If that were true, then hundreds of thousands of Africans, Eskimos, and Pacific Islanders who as kids grew up in environments where sex and eroticism were open and tolerated--well I guess they should be alot more psycho then they appear to be today.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 19, 2007 10:13 AM
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The judge also failed to properly instruct the jury, or they would never have voted to convict where there was obvious doubt. I'm afraid prosecutors, in particular, now work to keep intelligent people off juries, in order to make convictions easier. I keep wondering what kind of idiots those jurors were, and not only in this case. I think they're selected for that during pretrial maneuvering. That should not be possible; lawyers should not be able to remove potential jurors except "for cause" - the present system sanctions jury rigging. (The defense also made serious mistakes, according to this report. I'm offended that the judge allowed that to cause a miscarriage of justice. The case should have been dismissed as soon as Horner testified.)
So, yes, they were all idiots about computers and the Internet, but that shouldn't have mattered.
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Posted by: moschops on Jan 19, 2007 10:58 AM
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She should be suing someone for providing computer software that was prone to pops like that, a network that allowed access to porn content instead of just blocking them (or allowing only access to specific safe sites), and providing a computer to use that was riddled with spyware. What is the point of "Cop" software if it can't block such sites and if no one is paying attention to the problems it detects?
When teaching a computer should be set to give a complete clean and known environment every time you log on, just like in an Internet cafe set up - if you want to save something for beyond the session then save it to a personal USB disk for later use. It doesn't require a Mac or Linux box to acheive this, and software like VMWare can provide a rock solid roll back to known clean environment on every startup.
Schools should use these solutions and not engage in blame fest until they have secure and safe environments for teachers and kids to use.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit on Jan 19, 2007 11:59 AM
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Let's say for the sake of argument that the teacher actually was doing what they are accused of. Does anyone in their right mind consider what happened to warrent 6 felonies? Years in jail?
If we give such a shit about kids then why are so many of them uninsured? Why are so many living in poverty? Why are so many undereducated? And why aren't we taking care of the planet they'll inherit when we're gone?
This incident is so absurd as to be laughable. But someones life hangs in the balance because of it. We are being treated like fools. Bullied about by idiots. I'm sick of it.
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I've come across a few glaring mistakes in Alternet articles I've read today. Below are the ones I found in this article. Could you please fix them?
"One piece of spyware had been already been tracking the computer for about a month."
"Amero musts have"
"from readers who accusing them "
"a mailware infection" - may or may not be a mistake; both the term "malware" and "mailware" is used in the article later, but I think "malware" is what was intended in all cases.
I realize pointing this out is somewhat off-topic; but it saddens me that an otherwise good article is marred by a lack of proofreading. Thanks.
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Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Jan 19, 2007 12:49 PM
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I mean, you have a cop that's cowering and hiding from people, saying, "Uh, everyone hates meeeee! Oh, noes! And I didn't check the computer! But that's not important! WAAAAH!" You have obvious procedural screwups. You have people that openly admit to pandering to the parents' bloodlust. In short, she's going to be wealthy. I mean, this article, with the stupid quotes, is enough to make anyone wonder what the hell people were thinking.
And shame on these porn companies for peddling their wares through such shady methods. Come the hell on. It's just getting out of hand if it's costing people their freedom and their jobs! I hope she sues them, too!
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jan 19, 2007 1:08 PM
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I'm sure all you have to do is google any word like "bukakke" and then click on one of the results and your computer, if unprotected, will be infected.
Why don't they throw Bill Gates in jail for making a piece of [censored] software that is so craptastic a 6 year old could make it crash? Jesus, it took them what, 8 friggin years to come up with a popup blocker? W...T...F... and the damn thing still don't work half the time.
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Posted by: marid on Jan 19, 2007 2:50 PM
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It is my job to protect kids in a school district from such occurances. It is impossible to prevent 100% of this type of crap from reaching our kids, that is a fact Mr. Horton would back up. In most homes that I am familiar with there is little or no effort on the part of the clueless parents to protect their children. When our school district sends out notices, warnings, information, or has informational meetings for parents we are greeted with scorn or ridicule.
Our district is protected at the sender end in Madison, WI where our signal originates. We pay for filtering by the UW Madison and their experts. At the receiving end we bought a firewall and pay for filtering services a second time. We also regularly run anti spyware programs and current virus software. We spend a fair amount of money to keep our kids safe. They deserve it. Despite these efforts, very infequently we have an incident, but they are dealt with instantly and summarlily. OUr staff and Subs are instructed in how to proceed with Turn Off The Monitor as the first defense.
Teachers routinely use systems with students in the classroom. Attendance, Gradechecks, Lunch counts, Email, online curriculum, real time involvement are all part of the normal school day in most districts today. We are not in the 50"s.
I have checked computers in banks, car dealerships, and various other businesses, everyone has been infected to some degree. I have helped them improve their defenses. Usually for free, their my friends and community members. I have not checked a single system in the past few years that did not have some level of infection.
The purveyors of Porn should be held responsible, but it is extremely difficult to do.
States or the Federal Government should attack this problem on a broad base by setting standards, which they do to some extent, and providing, free of charge, the filtering tools to protect all our children. It would be a great step in the right direction.
Parents need to quit using the Internet as a baby sitter, move the system to an open, highly trafficed room and think about installing some of the very effective blocking software available for around $30.
Oh, and Mac people, they are coming for you too. You will find out very soon as has my Mac friend.
After all this I think I will sign off and run one of my spyware checkers.
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Posted by: grolan on Jan 19, 2007 3:36 PM
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The cops involved should quit pretending they know anything about computer forensics after "an hour of over the phone training" on a package that doesn't even address the problem. With his clueless bumbling around, he probably rendered the machine contaminated as a piece of evidence. That's all we need in a court setting in front of a non-technical jury - some bozo in a police uniform spouting off about technical issues he doesn't understand. The jury looks at the uniform and sees "authority", while the defense expert, who is a genuine forensics expert, is not allowed to show his evidence. I particularly like the cop's comment about how everyone was screaming for aggressive action. What does that have to do with law enforcement? He sounds like the cowardly lone sheriff in an old west town who turns a suspect over to the angry lynch mob rather than seeing justice done.
Plenty of blame to go around here, but none of it belongs with the substitute teacher. Incompetent IT, penny pinching school administrators scared of the PTA, and a bozo in a cop uniform pretending to know computer forensics. Not to mention kids messing with the teacher's p.c., who probably shouldn't be allowed to touch it anyway. And the poor teacher takes the fall. What a joke. God help you if your computer is taken over by a bot and starts spewing porno spam - you're likely to be thrown in jail by the technically clueless masses.
I wonder if she has a defense fund. I'd be happy to contribute to it. This mess should have been declared a mistrial.
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Posted by: pieandpeas on Jan 19, 2007 3:42 PM
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I'm an ordinary computer user. I'm not specially trained, I can't write software. I have no legal training. I do have something in common with this poor woman though, I am a teacher.
15 minutes ago, I decided to see how quickly I could gather salient information which bore on this case, I imposed the time limit of 15 mins and determined that anything I quoted was referenced and would probably be accepted as evidence. (Given my lack of legal experience, on this point I could be wrong.)
The vast bulk of the facts her are the result of a search
here
This is what I discovered.
There are over three hundred products being sold right now as anti-spyware, malware. To convince you to buy, the publishers give you a free trial version which installs a virus, miraculously detects it, then conveniently provides a web address where you can buy it because the tril version can only detect, you must get the paid version to remove it. The policy in the US is to prosecute and a ridiculously small team of people investigate. Their backlog is unmanageable and , when they do prosecute, the charge they usually face is one of "Agressive Marketing" with such a low penalty that it serves no purpose as a deterrant.
Malicious programmers have released a large number of fake anti-spyware programs, and widely distributed Web banner ads now spuriously warn users that their computers have been infected with spyware, directing them to purchase programs which do not actually remove spyware — or worse, may add more spyware of their own
Some other types of spyware (Targetsoft, for example) modify system files so they will be harder to remove. Targetsoft modifies the "Winsock" Windows Sockets files. The deletion of the spyware-infected file "inetadpt.dll" will interrupt normal networking usage. Unlike users of many other operating systems, a typical Windows user has administrative privileges, mostly for convenience. Because of this, any program the user runs (intentionally or not) has unrestricted access to the system.
Some attackers used the Spybot worm to install spyware that put pornographic pop-ups on the infected system's screen. By directing traffic to ads set up to channel funds to the spyware authors, they profit personally.
Unauthorized access to a computer is illegal under computer crime laws, such as the U.S. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, However, few spyware developers have been prosecuted, and many operate openly as strictly legitimate businesses, though some have faced lawsuits.
The FTC has filed a complaint against Movieland.com and eleven other defendants, charging them with having "engaged in a nationwide scheme to use deception and coercion to extract payments from consumers." The complaint alleges that the software repeatedly opened oversized pop-up windows that could not be closed or minimized, accompanied by music that lasted nearly a minute, demanding payment of at least $29.95 to end the pop-up cycle; and claiming that consumers had signed up for a three-day free trial but did not cancel their membership before the trial period was over, and were thus obligated to pay.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Posted by: danielgeery on Jan 19, 2007 5:56 PM
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You'll find my story there too.
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Jan 19, 2007 6:34 PM
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Never mind the facts that this was an unguarded computer and the preposterous notion that a 40-yr old woman with no criminal record would be accessing porn right in front of her class. Just get another perp! Just nail another case! Just "protect our children". Get someone, anyone, get more bodies crammed into more and bigger prisons....
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Posted by: rabidLibrarian on Jan 19, 2007 8:25 PM
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Here's a crash course in how the adware game works: to supplement her retirement income, Aunt Mitty starts up a website dedicated to knitting. For some reason, her site gets wildly popular and her visitors start using more bandwidth than her hosting plan provides for. Mitty's host notifies her that she needs to pony up for more bandwidth or her site will be closed off after she reaches her bandwidth limit. Mitty can't afford to pay all or even part of the extra cost, so she looks for ways to raise money. She comes across an ad promising her money for becoming an "affiliate" of an online marketing company that delivers targeted ads. All she has to do is paste some code into her website that will cause her visitors to download the ad company's software. Next time you visit Mitty's website looking for instructions on how to knit a sweater, the program, which is usually crafted to take advantage of security holes, misconfigured settings, and/or the user's own lack of knowledge, installs itself to your machine, most likely without your knowledge. Once the program is installed, it's apt to make a call to some of the ad company's partners and download their adware, too. So, simply by visiting an innocent site run by a little, old lady on social security, you now have a screen full of difficult-to-close pop-up porn and a ten-year-old with bug eyes.
My second bone of contention is with the school's IT manager, whether in-house or an outside contractor. I mean, Win98??? C'mon!!! Microsoft hasn't released a security update for that OS in years. If cost is such a big issue with these guys, then dump Windows and get one of the free, open-source options. A few years ago, out of curiosity, I put my old Win98 PC (with all the final security updates that were released) on the internet. Within ten minutes, that machine was crawling with malware. Now, there is no shortage of free, user-friendly apps out there designed to remove and even prevent infection by adware. Would it have killed IT to install it and set it up to automatically update? From what I've read here, there's no way this teacher should have been held responsible.
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Posted by: estrin1959 on Jan 19, 2007 8:56 PM
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16 years old boy in Arizona and his criminal case.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=bizarre&id=4935302
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244009,00.html
I send you links to publications about my case.
I was forced to confess to the
possession of internet digital pictures of porn in deleted clusters of
my computer hard drive.
http://www.inquisition21.com/article~view~7~page_num~3.html
This is publication in Wired news
http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,63391,00.html
Child porn law was declared unconstitutional in Hennepin County, Minnesota, USA'
http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=11750
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Posted by: dancerkc on Jan 19, 2007 10:27 PM
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A few years later a careless temp in a firm I was working in as a programmer brought in Kazaa to listen to while she typed, not to mention her instant messaging. Her machine was the source malware which shut us down for a day and a half, costing tens of thousands of dollars. Those of us in IT worked around the clock to repair the server damage.
At the same firm, a large national software firm hired to update a major enterprise application had its own problem with zombies just a couple of years prior. They had discovered the reason for a badly slow server. Someone had dropped a porn site into their own server which meant they were unwittingly hosting a porn site.
This stuff can hit anyone, even when you have knowlegable people in network security. Knowlege cuts the damage and protects your but there is always the odd moment, the distracted employee, and more. As my martial arts instructor once told me, it doesn't matter how good you are, even the top fighter can be knocked out by a doofus with a lucky hit. Same for malware and all those computer users.
There is no way you can close all the holes and keep them closed. Sooner or later something may penetrate. And the very idea that Macs are safe is already wrong. Maybe only VMS was really secure - technically - although Mitnik got through - but only with so called "human engineering." A con job, in other words. And there is no dirth of con jobs coming at us.
Worse, as usual, is ignorance in determined action mode. The cops in the account above appear to be as stupid about computers as you can get. A little knowlege being gawdawful damaging - to the innocent. At the very least they need to back off and re-instate that woman.
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Posted by: Bilby on Jan 19, 2007 11:06 PM
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Anyway, I received an email fro him one day asking for help. Apparantly his office computer was displaying pronography - exactly as described with the case here. He'd tried removing it with all the standard packages, but nothing worked. Now I guess you could claim that he wasn't as good as we thought, but in this case the reason none of the packages worked was that the particular spyware/adware/malware was so new that the various anti-virus, anti-spyware packages hadn't found it yet. He hadn't been surfing porn sites, and his computer was up-to-date, with all of the latest packages.
Now, I know that there were things he could have done to prevent the problem, but the point is simply that if he could become infected with software that displayed porn on his computer, without his knowledge and without inappropriate actions on his part, then I don't have too much trouble believing that the same could have happened to a school teacher with more limited computer knowledge, working on an unsecure system in an unsecure environment. So while I wouldn't be foolish enough to claim that Ms Amero hadn't been doing anything wrong (as I haven't viewed all the evidence), I'd certainly like to leave open the possibility that she hadn't, and would have liked to have seen that properly explored in court.
Just to clarify a couple of issues raised earlier:
While I would also be inclined to argue that she should have turned off the computer, reports elsewhere suggested that she was told by the school that the computers were not to be turned off.
Turning off the monitor makes sense, and I'm surprised that she didn't do so. But then, she was also probably unaware of what was going on and why.
Other reports suggest that she had raised concerns about the situation with the school.
Telling the difference between deliberate surfing and spyware is tricky, and can't be (as far as I'm aware) automated. It could be analyised in most cases (to the point where you could make a case that spyware may have been involved), but it woud take someone with reasonable knowledge of forensics, and you would need to specifically look for patterns in teh log files.
Anyway, I guess if I hadn't seen this happen to someone I worked with I would have been more sceptical. But I've seen it, and I know it can happen, so I would have to argue that the defense had a solid case that should have been explored.
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Posted by: CrystalD on Jan 20, 2007 5:28 PM
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Given enough innocent people railroaded into jail just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, no-one is going to want to go into teaching or another "caring" profession and all we'll have left are bottom-feeders and people too stupid or incompetent to get another job. If you keep saying all teachers are perverts, pretty soon only perverts will want to teach.
If this lady had a "pop up incident" at a corporate training session, the VERY worst that might happen is that she'd be fired. More likely, all she'd get was a talking-to about being sure her computer was thoroughly firewalled and virus-proofed. But because we are so hysterical about Protecting Our Chirrun, she's gotten a life sentence. Pathetic. And so sad for her.
Remind me never to go near anyone else's spawn of Satan, er I mean children, no matter what. Kids are not worth going to jail for.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 21, 2007 12:37 AM
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This case is a gross over-reaction and a hideous violation of this person's rights.
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Posted by: insulaparadigm on Jan 21, 2007 10:18 PM
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what I find funny is how interested these kids are in their own innocence. I'm not arguing that it's good for the kids to see porn at all - but do they really care enough to testify in court etc ? This is just adults fighting other adults with kids as the excuse. Why on earth are middle schoolers so interested in maintaining their own innocence? Do they want to stay children forever?
Middle school in my memory was worse than high school in terms of status seeking, teasing, moronic pack mentality.
oh and spitefulness too - and back then none of us saw a drop of porn. dumb teacher and used students and a waste of taxpayer money when we rank low in math and science scores worldwide. If she really was surfing porn during class she's perhaps not intelligent enough to teach int he first place. :) if so strip her of her license but that really doesn't qualify for jail time. Are we going to have porn free zones around schools now?
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Posted by: Clark Pratt on Jan 23, 2007 1:06 PM
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I have lived in Denmark for ten years, so I am not always on top of everything that happens in CT. But I was shocked, saddened and angered to learn yesterday that an acquaintance of mine, Julie Amero, faces 40 years in prison for an offense involving Internet pornography and schoolchildren.What if it had been pop-ups of weapons? Or Saddam Hussein’s hanging?
Let me state from the beginning: I am against public uproar where no one gets to the real issue. I am against punishing people for alleged social crimes by sending them to desocialization in prison. And I am against the fear and mistrust Americans (and a growing number of Danes) have for the people who have daily contact with their children.
Let us take the worst case scenario, which I do not think is the case, but … what if Julie Amero was using the Internet’s vast pornography resources to “turn herself on” when she was supposed to be taking care of the education of 7th graders? What if she was doing it to prepare herself to go over more terrible boundaries – showing sexual acts to the children or inviting them to perform sexual acts with her or each other? Then she would need help from caring people to get her own sexuality in perspective, to take her professional life more seriously and to develop a network of friends and colleagues whom she could turn to, if she did not have the resources herself to avoid similar situations. There are probably 100 million people in the USA who fit the description in the last sentence. Who takes them seriously, before they do something stupid? Who forgives them and still loves them, after they do something stupid? The system of judgment and punishment is neither the only tradition in Western Civilization, nor the only way to treat people in a modern society.
I think the real issues are not children, porno and protection. It is too late to protect our children from digital pornography. (And one hundred years ago, we would also try to protect our children from reading many of the books or seeing many of the films, which we buy for them now!) But it is not too late to teach our children that sexuality is one thing (many things?) which we can teach in schools, teach at home, establish an environment where people are not ashamed or embarrassed or afraid of questions and experiences and that pornography is something else. Why is pornography so popular, such a giant industry, when it is based in power relations which are humiliating and financial relations which are so unequal? Well, look at your country folks! Why is America such a giant industry which is based in power relations which are humiliating and financial relations which are so unequal?
As a school teacher, I know that the only way to educate children to make a better world than the one they inherit from us is to nurture their self-respect, their feelings of value for themselves, other people and the planet. When classrooms become places for growth and trust instead of fear and distrust, students will have a chance to really learn some important lessons. The Salem Witch Trials are one of the darkest periods in the history of childhood in the USA. Julie Amero never had a chance in the social environment that prevails in America today. Should teachers never dare to turn on a computer, discuss sexuality with students under 18, go to their colleagues if they suspect they need help with something? Should we not trust a person who has never hurt a child and who says she is innocent? The legal aspects of this trial are not what interest me. It seems that many people are out for blood, because they think their children will have bad lives or turn into sex demons because of what is on the Internet. Children have so much in their hearts, they can survive a lot of pictures and films. But their hearts can’t survive a society that hates so much, it punishes people like Julie Amero.
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Posted by: Cobra on Jan 24, 2007 7:49 AM
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So, the system on which it was found has zero protection against anything like this, and the investigating cop has zero training. Way to go..
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Posted by: gbworld on Jan 24, 2007 11:22 AM
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1. Hit site
2. Class downloaded
3. Popup started
While the class may sit on a drive for a long time, it lies dormant until triggered. It is also possible a long sitting spyware app might fire a Java class, it would be extra work to set it up this way. For popups only, it would be a huge amount of work for nothing.
Using forensics and a bit of investigation, you could find the site that triggered (and probably downloaded) the Java class. You could then determine the time it was downloaded from the index file left on the drive. This would show you when it was downloaded and what site. If the site was a porn site, and the only user who could have been surfing at that time was the teacher, you have a fairly open and shut case. Possible appeals:
1. The class was downloaded/triggered when others could have been on the computer.
2. The site that triggered the porn was not a porn site. (If not, it was probably a hacker site or warez site, which she should not have been surfing, but she should get lesser disciplinary actions than jail time).
Forensics can also determine if the teacher had hit these types of sites before this incident.
As for the "bash Microsoft" comments: The guilty party in this one is the malware writer and not Bill Gates. While I acknowledge MS has had numerous problems in the past, and some more recent, they are no more guilty than Smith & Wesson in a murder case. It is the person creating malware who is guilty party.
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Posted by: morticia on Jan 24, 2007 12:55 PM
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Posted by: dbx26 on Jan 25, 2007 10:27 AM
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Are you still burning witch in your country ? So sad...
Phil
(from France)
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Posted by: counterpoint on Jan 25, 2007 10:42 AM
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Worse, the same can happen with colleagues, and I'm certain that many smaller companies don't follow protocol when it comes to internet safety. Often they'll simply have a few computers on ethernet.
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Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 25, 2007 2:09 PM
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America!! "Guilty to proven Innocent"
So many people in this country get rail roaded every day but if you have the big bucks you get off..All teachers in the USA should protest and have every computer removed from the classes because of this..Anyone of them could be next!!
It's called covering your Ass..
And we still allow
The Cop should be thrown off the force for dereliction of duty for not following every lead
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Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 25, 2007 2:25 PM
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Maybe it will come back to haunt them..
Turn abouts far play..
I hope they get what they gave!
Bad part is they set a presidence for others to have it happen to them..
The Freaken Jurors probably never used a computer.
These are most likely the same jury that awarded the lady all that money for being stupid for spilling hot coffee on herself.
Or the guy who bought a RV and set cruise control and then went in the back and when the thing rolled he sued the company and won because it didn't keep control while crusing with him not at the wheel..
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Posted by: freeda'all on Jan 25, 2007 10:40 PM
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/299371_paynt12.html
I can't believe that people would actually think that a man who exposes himself to women while he's driving is a safe person to leave in charge of children.
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Posted by: grassy-knoll on Feb 8, 2007 1:08 PM
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You have based your opinion, as have so many others, on the disinformation fed to you by the media and by the so called Expert for the defense. As a result, the real victims have been forgotten and I have been the target of ridicule and death threats, bestowed upon me by those I have sworn to protect.
I assure you the verdict reached by a jury of the accused's peers was just. The evidence presented in court was factual and forensically sound. I expressed NO opinion, just the evidence. The "clicked link" storey (taken out of context) has been turned into something other than what it is. (Wouldn't you think the Expert would have rebutted such testimony?)
Once the accused's sentencing is done I intend on presenting the evidence to anyone who wants to know the truth, though I doubt the conspiracy mongers want the truth. Is the TRUTH important to you? I have explained the process of investigating these types of crimes, under the prevailing circumstances, to Network Performance Daily.
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You may also read the tale spun by the Expert on the same site. I assure you that I have the evidence to prove this charlatan is being less than truthful and I would appreciate someone demanding from him the source code containing the malicious active content of which he speaks. As for the trojans, viruses, worms, and adware he spoke of: what were they? when were they created locally? what do they do?? He didn't say. I'd suggest looking at Trojan Dropper.Small.11.V, Elitemedia Pop64, CWS.XPSystem, and Netsetter aka Marketscore. You'll note that they serve particular purposes which I will discuss when I'm at liberty.
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To all those of little faith who believe the Government (aka: BIG Brother) and its minions would conspire to persecute innocent, GOD fearing individuals for entertainment I say GET A GRIP. Peut un dieu me donner la force.
Again, once sentencing is completed I would be very happy to share with you the evidence so that you are better able to form an educated opinion. I would appreciate your demanding from the Expert his data. It saddens me to receive correspondence from a knowledgeable professional, such as yourself which contains insults based on mere conjecture. Your missing 990 pieces of this 1000 piece puzzle.
Attendez jusqu'à ce que ce soit nuit avant de le dire ait été un jour beau.
Mark Lounsbury
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