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The Radical Christian Right Is Built on Suburban Despair
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This despair crosses economic boundaries, of course, enveloping many in the middle class who live trapped in huge, soulless exurbs where, lacking any form of community rituals or centers, they also feel deeply isolated, vulnerable and lonely. Those in despair are the most easily manipulated by demagogues, who promise a fantastic utopia, whether it is a worker's paradise, fraternite-egalite-liberte, or the second coming of Jesus Christ. Those in despair search desperately for a solution, the warm embrace of a community to replace the one they lost, a sense of purpose and meaning in life, the assurance they are protected, loved and worthwhile.
During the past two years of work on the book American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America, I kept encountering this deadly despair. Driving down a highway lined with gas stations, fast food restaurants and dollar stores I often got vertigo, forgetting for a moment if I was in Detroit or Kansas City or Cleveland. There are parts of the United States, including whole sections of former manufacturing centers such as Ohio, that resemble the developing world, with boarded up storefronts, dilapidated houses, pot-hole streets and crumbling schools. The end of the world is no longer an abstraction to many Americans.
Jeniece Learned is typical of many in the movement. She stood, when I met her, amid a crowd of earnest-looking men and women, many with small gold crosses in the lapels of their jackets or around their necks, in a hotel lobby in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. She had an easy smile and a thick mane of black, shoulder length hair. She was carrying a booklet called "Ringing in a Culture of Life." The booklet had the schedule of the two day event she is attending organized by The Pennsylvania Pro-Life Federation. The event was "dedicated to the 46 million children who have died from legal abortions since 1973 and the mothers and fathers who mourn their loss."
Learned, who drove five hours from a town outside of Youngstown, Ohio was raised Jewish. She wore a gold Star of David around her neck with a Christian cross inserted in the middle of the design. She stood up in one of the morning sessions, attended by about 300 people, most of them women, when the speaker, Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, asked if there were any "post-abortive" women present. Learned ran a small pregnancy counseling clinic called Pregnancy Services of Western Pennsylvania in Sharon, where she attempted to talk young girls and women, most of them poor, out of abortions.
She spoke in local public schools, promoting sexual abstinence, rather than birth control, as the only acceptable form of contraception. And she had found in the fight against abortion, and in her conversion, a structure, purpose and meaning that previously eluded her. The battle against abortion is one of the Christian Rights's most effective recruiting tools. It plays on the guilt and shame of woman who had the abortions, accusing them of committing murder, and promising redemption and atonement in the "Christian" struggle to make abortion illegal, in the fight for life against "the culture of death."
Her life, before she was saved, was, like many in this mass movement, chaotic and painful. Her childhood was stolen from her. She was sexually abused by a close family member. Her mother periodically woke Learned and her younger sister and two younger brothers in the middle of the night to flee landlords who wanted back rent. The children were bundled into the car and driven in darkness to a strange apartment in another town. Her mother worked nights and weekends as a bartender. Learned, the oldest, often had to run the home. Her younger sister, who was sexually abused by another member of the family, eventually committed suicide as an adult, something Learned also considered. As a teenager she had an abortion.
She was taking classes at Pacific Christian College several years later when she saw an anti-abortion film called The Silent Scream. "You see in this movie this baby backing up trying to get away from this suction tube," she said. "And, its mouth is open and it is like this baby is screaming. I flipped out. It was at that moment that God just took this veil that I had over my eyes for the last eight years. I couldn't breathe. I was hyperventilating. I ran outside. One of the girls followed me from Living Alternative. And she said, 'Did you commit your life to Christ?' And I said, 'I did.' And she said, 'Did you ask for your forgiveness of sins?' And I said, 'I did.' And she goes, 'Does that mean all your sins, or does that mean some of them?' And I said, 'I guess it means all of them.' So she said, 'Basically, you are thinking God hasn't forgiven you for your abortion because that is a worse sin than any of your other sins that you have done.'"
The film brought her into the fight to make abortion illegal. Her activism became atonement for her own abortion. She struggled with depression after she gave birth to her daughter Rachel. When she came home from the hospital she was unable to care for her infant. She thought she saw an 8-year-old boy standing next to her bed. It was, she is sure, the image of the son she had murdered.
"I started crying and asking God over and over again to forgive me," she says. "I had murdered His child. I asked Him to forgive me over and over again. It was just incredible. I was possessed. On the fourth day I remember hearing God's voice. 'I have your baby, now get up!' It was the most incredibly freeing and peaceful moment. I got up and I showered and I ate. I just knew it was God's voice."
In the United States we have turned our backs on the working class, with much of the worst assaults, such as NAFTA and welfare reform, pushed though during President Clinton's Democratic administration. We stand passively and watch an equally pernicious assault on the middle class. Anything that can be put on software, from architecture to engineering to finance, will soon be handed to workers overseas who will be paid a third what their American counterparts receive and who will, like some 45 million Americans, have no access to health insurance or benefits.
There has been, along with the creation of an American oligarchy, a steady Weimarization of the American working class. The top one percent of American households have more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined. This figure alone should terrify all who care about our democracy. As Plutarch reminded us "an imbalance between the rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics."
The stories believers such as Learned told me of their lives before they found Christ were heart breaking. These chronicles were about terrible pain, severe financial difficulties, struggles with addictions or childhood sexual or physical abuse, profound alienation and often thoughts about suicide. They were chronicles without hope. The real world, the world of facts and dispassionate intellectual inquiry, the world where all events, news and information were not filtered through this comforting ideological prism, the world where they were left out to dry, abandoned by a government hostage to corporations and willing to tolerate obscene corporate profits, betrayed them.
They hated this world. And they willingly walked out on this world for the mythical world offered by these radical preachers, a world of magic, a world where God had a divine plan for them and intervened on a daily basis to protect them and perform miracles in their lives. The rage many expressed to me towards those who challenge this belief system, to those of us who do not accept that everything in the world came into being during a single week 6,000 years ago because it says so in the Bible, was a rage born of fear, the fear of being plunged back into a reality-based world where these magical props would no longer exist, where they would once again be adrift, abandoned and alone.
The danger of this theology of despair is that it says that nothing in the world is worth saving. It rejoices in cataclysmic destruction. It welcomes the frightening advance of global warming, the spiraling wars and violence in the Middle East and the poverty and neglect that have blighted American urban and rural landscapes as encouraging signs that the end of the world is close at hand.
Believers, of course, clinging to this magical belief, which is a bizarre form of spiritual Darwinism, will be raptured upwards while the rest of us will be tormented with horrors by a warrior Christ and finally extinguished. This obsession with apocalyptic violence is an obsession with revenge. It is what the world, and we who still believe it is worth saving, deserve.
Those who lead the movement give their followers a moral license to direct this rage and yearning for violence against all those who refuse to submit to the movement, from liberals, to "secular humanists," to "nominal Christians," to intellectuals, to gays and lesbians, to Muslims. These radicals, from James Dobson to Pat Robertson, call for a theocratic state that will, if it comes to pass, bear within it many of the traits of classical fascism.
All radical movements need a crisis or a prolonged period of instability to achieve power. And we are not in a period of crisis now. But another catastrophic terrorist attack on American soil, a series of huge environmental disasters or an economic meltdown will hand to these radicals the opening they seek. Manipulating our fear and anxiety, promising to make us safe and secure, giving us the assurance that they can vanquish the forces that mean to do us harm, these radicals, many of whom have achieved powerful positions in the Executive and legislative branches of government, as well as the military, will ask us only to surrender our rights, to pass them the unlimited power they need to battle the forces of darkness.
They will have behind them tens of millions of angry, disenfranchised Americans longing for revenge and yearning for a mythical utopia, Americans who embraced a theology of despair because we offered them nothing else.
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Posted by: xbj on Jan 19, 2007 12:20 AM
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The basic law of true Christianity, "Love your enemy" was the pinnacle of empathy, but the people using false Christianity and Christianism today are doing it for money and power. A religion of tolerance and love for enemies perverted into intolerance, greed, and the power to inflict one limited idea of morality on everyone else in the world.
At least "Elmer Gantry" was just after money. Any amount of power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and what all these evangelists conveniently forget is just how diligently and faithfully and purposefully Jesus Christ ran from power and politics His entire life, at times completely disappearing into thin air when crowds got too rabid.
The evangelist leaves true Christianity the very second they ask for money, something Jesus Christ never did.
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» They didn't forget, they don't care. These are the guys who are sexual perverts and drug addicts..
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» Christ ran from power and politics His entire life
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» That subset that believe in the law of the jungle are simply run by their limbic brains....
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Posted by: Moonray on Jan 19, 2007 12:23 AM
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I spent some years in Asia and was impressed by the courage and stoicism of people there who at the time were living in grinding poverty, the kind that's very rare in this country. Yet it was my impression that the vast majority of those Asians were atheist or agnostic, or observed Buddhism or Taoism in a very casual way.
Americans are steeped in religious imagery and influences from birth. Religion assails us from our TV sets, radios and even movie theaters, not to mention the ubiquitous church on every corner. We must liberate ourselves from these influences and protect our children from them if our society and government are ever to improve.
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» A few words in defense of some religious viewpoints
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» Good point, it will make you happy to know the NWO religion they are trying to direct us...
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» Really??? You mean those that sell their 6 year old children to western pedophiles???? Oh,
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 19, 2007 12:33 AM
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This allows those who would twist a message of grace, peace, mercy and forgiveness into a practice of hatred, bigotry, violence and judgement a great deal of wiggle room. If one does not know what the texts say and are spoon fed by your pastor and elders, how would you know better? Some unscrupulous individuals prey on this fact to advance their political agendas by bending the message to suit themselves.
This is not the source of the whole problem, but is the source of much of it.
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» Faith
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» Your reality-based value system is commendable, BUT . . .
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» Oh, please. Your argument that atheism is "faith" . . .
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» WTF are you talking about? . . .
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» Perhaps you are a Agnostic
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» Bible full of sanctioned atrocities
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» Perhaps if you were capable of spelling "atheist" correctly . . .
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» Wrong!!! Its the sense of community and common goals that is pulling them together
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Posted by: Lector on Jan 19, 2007 12:34 AM
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Posted by: eddie torres on Jan 19, 2007 1:19 AM
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They'll swoop in and kick ass!
"We would like to encourage you to schedule an "Invasion Weekend" at your unit. As one of the leading crusade providers for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, we have ministered in nearly 300 prisons throughout the United States."
and
"Contrary to popular opinion, America does not have a gun problem, drug problem, violence problem, teenage pregnacy problem, or even a school dropout problem. America has a CHARACTER problem. As long as we continue to treat the symptoms and not the root cause, we will never keep up with crime, drugs, and other forms of moral failure."
It's the Texas way!
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» Can we give Texas back to Mexico?
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» RE: Can we throw in the rest of the red states...
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 19, 2007 1:57 AM
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And what about those who aren't alienated, disconnected, down on their luck, etc., but join anyway because it feeds their ego and personal prejudices?
This is another example of the patronizing left deflecting individual responsibility off of grown adults and onto "elites" or circumstances, because they don't want to abandon their own blind faith in "the people."
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Posted by: gazooks on Jan 19, 2007 3:21 AM
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We demand so little from government that sponsors a view of community as simply a commercial enterprise and neglects any semblance of "soul". It too reveals a basic weakness in our underlying "spirituality" who's institutions are largely complacent with the status quo and discourage dissent.
Our vision of what's acceptable as community is stunted by our preoccupation with "appearances" of success, a soulless, plasticized facsimile of traditional architectural influences, our self perpetuating automotive culture of aggression based in fear, self doubt and intolerance, and environmental indifference. (unless it effects property values) Not a prescription for well balanced, creative and engaging future population.
It's discouraging, particularly at this time of year, while waging war for the wrong reasons, broad violations of principle and justice and with various calamities looming. But there is hope as long as we do what we can, whenever we can, to humanize our existence by reaching out to communicate as much good will as we can muster. To dispel if only for a moment, someone else's fear.
If we simply think creatively, commit to represent tolerance and extend ourselves to others we create community.
"... so if you see your neighbor carryin' somethin', help him with his load, and don't go mistakin' paradise for that home across the road." - Dylan
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Posted by: ISlamIslam on Jan 19, 2007 4:04 AM
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"The First Law states that because of the modern liberal belief in the moral and substantive equality of all peoples and cultures, the worse any minority or non-Western group really is, the worse the West must be made to appear, as the guilty cause of the non-Western group’s bad or dysfunctional behavior, or as simply bad in itself. If the worse is made to look better, and the better made to look worse, an apparent rough equality is maintained between them, and the liberal view survives. In the case of Islam, if it is true that Islam seeks to impose an Islamic theocracy over the world, liberals cannot acknowledge this fact, because Islam would then cease being the morally equal and culturally rich Other whom we must tolerate and embrace, and become a morally inferior and hostile destructive adversary whom we must resist and exclude. Therefore, in a massive act of denial, liberals displace the danger Islam poses to the West onto the West itself, especially onto American conservative Christians. Instead of the threat being the historically and actually existing Islamic agenda to establish an Islamic world theocracy, the threat becomes a non-existent American Christian agenda to establish an American or even a world Christian theocracy, a threat that must be met by radically weakening Christianity or even eliminating it altogether.
Thus, having discovered that a non-Western religion is waging war on the West, the left responds by waging war against the West’s own religion."
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» RE: Whence comes this paranoia? Pretzel logic or mustard on my bagel ?
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» Wrong!! The West is becoming scientific, rejecting all forms of religious beliefs...
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» I think Jesus would reject your hate
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» I'm no Christian, and I don't hate people, only faulty ideologies and bad behavior
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Posted by: amazed again on Jan 19, 2007 5:31 AM
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THE Prime Minister has been caught in a religious row after taping a goodwill message for a fundamentalist Christian group previously accused of inciting anti-Islamic hatred.
The Prime Minister has appeared in a DVD message for a major multi-denomination gathering in Melbourne on Australia Day that is being sponsored by the controversial Catch the Fire ministries.
Organisers are refusing to release the content of the Prime Minister's message, other than to confirm it was on "Australian values" - saying anyone interested in hearing it will have to come to the event.
But it has been reported that in the message, Mr Howard says Christianity has been a force for good in the world. A spokesman for the PM has said Mr Howard does not regret recording the message.
The PM's decision has been described as "dangerous". Muslim community leaders said Mr Howard risked legitimising hateful anti-Islamic views.
Yasser Soliman, a member of Mr Howard's Muslim Community Reference Group and a former president of the Islamic Council of Victoria, said today while Mr Howard is free to address whom he chooses, he should have thought twice.
"What he says is extremely influential and what he fails to say is also influential. I would hope that he would clearly condemn hate speeches in all their forms, irrespective of who the perpetrators are," he said.
"I can't stop the Prime Minister addressing who he wants to, but he should be very cautious, especially with groups which have a history of toxic-hate speech."
Last month the Victorian Court of Appeal threw out the charges brought in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Appeals Tribunal which had sought to jail Pastor Danny Nalliah and Daniel Scot for allegedly inciting hatred, contempt, revulsion and ridicule of Muslims.
The outcry comes as federal police launched an investigation into inflammatory comments by Sydney's Sheik Feiz Mohammed, which included a description of Jews as pigs and calls for children to die as "martyrs of faith".
Friday's Christian rally at Melbourne's Festival Hall is expected to attract up to 5000 people of various denominations.
Mr Howard is being promoted in flyers as delivering a keynote message which will be "personally directed to Catch the Fire ministries".
The rally will also say prayers against terrorism, for divine protection for Australia's armed forces and for the Government, according to organisers.
Pastor Nalliah, one of two Catch the Fire ministers charged with breaking state vilification laws in 2002, has refused to divulge what Mr Howard has said in his recorded message for fear it will be taken out of context.
"I have kept it confidential up until Australia Day," he said.
"The best thing is for the media to come and listen to it firsthand on Australia Day, then say what they believed they heard the Prime Minister said."
He said the event involves a wide range of religious groups including the Salvation Army, Presbyterian and Anglican churches and smaller organisations.
"It's about coming together to pray for a nation and I think it's a great opportunity," he said.
Pastor Nalliah said Treasurer Peter Costello, Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaille and former deputy PM John Anderson had addressed Catch the Fire meetings in the past.
Islamic Council of Victoria board member Waleed Aly described Catch the Fire as "spectacularly ignorant", claiming its members were in alliance with the far-Right League of Rights.
Amid the fallout of Sheik Feiz's lecture DVD becoming public, Acting Attorney-General Kevin Andrews said the Government was worried about a pattern of behaviour among outspoken Islamic leaders.
- Herald-Sun and AAP
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Jan 19, 2007 5:57 AM
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Nothing like a bit of alarmist hyperbole about the end of the world coming next week to mark an article as being from AlterNet...
Fighting fire with fire, or is it just that "it takes one to know one"?
> She stood up in one of the morning sessions, attended by about 300 people, most of them women...
"The most dangerous mass movement in American history," a movement of women?
Ooooh, I'm really scared now...
I hope they eventually make it into a TV show. It could blow Desparate Housewives right out of the water in the suburban despair category.
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Posted by: wawa on Jan 19, 2007 5:59 AM
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St. Augustine was the first Church Father to consider the concept of a Just War. Within 100 years after Constantine, the Empire required that all soldiers in the army must be baptized Christians and thus, the decline of Christianity began.
With the justification of war and violence supplied by Augustine’s Just War Theory, wrong became right.
Nothing much has changed in two millennia, for in today’s Orwellian world politicians claim the way to peace is through war and that nuclear weapons provide protection.
In 313 AD, Emperor Constantine legitimized Christianity and thus, those who had been considered rebels and outlaws began to enjoy political power and prestige.
Jesus’ other name is The Prince of Peace, and with the marriage of church and state, his true teachings were reinterpreted.
The justification of warfare and the use of state sponsored violence corrupted what Christ modeled and taught. Jesus was always on about WAKE UP! The Divine already indwells you and all others.
Christ taught that to follow him requires that one must love ones enemies; one must forgive those who hate, curse and revile them, without a thought of payback.
Christ lived a life that proved evil can be opposed without being mirrored, and that the cycle of a “tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye”, will never bring peace and justice.
The term Christianity was not coined until three decades after Christ walked the earth. Until the day of Paul, followers of Christ were called members of The Way; the way being what he taught!
Christ was never a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up/intifada and challenged the corrupt Temple and disturbed the status quo of the Roman occupying forces by teaching that God was on the side of the poor and the outcast.
Clement, Tertillian, Polycarp and every other early Church Father taught that violence was a contradiction of what Christ was all about. There have always been those Christians who spoke out against this corruption of scripture and they have been ignored, reviled, rejected, mocked, persecuted and maligned throughout time.
There have always been Christians who have never abandoned the true teachings, such as the Quakers, Mennonites, some Catholics and Protestants who have been faithful witnesses to Christ by denouncing violence and caring for the poor.
There have also always been Jews, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, secularists and other’s who have lived lives that embody the message of Christ.
I have had the opportunity to meet some of these people in Israel and Palestine and they are the inspiration for "Memoirs of a Nice Irish-American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
to be released Feb. 2007.
More excerpts can be read in the Dec/Jan WAWA Blog:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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Posted by: lokicat on Jan 19, 2007 6:22 AM
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The women who get abortions/ come under the sway of the right wingers, are already shamed and humilated for what they have done because the culture is so shaming. (All they have done is exercise choice and have a will of their own--something men take for granted). Then, voila, the religious zealots tell you that you can rid yourself of your 'sins.' It's psycho-spiritual jujitsu--manipulate and dominate people's minds through shaming their sexuality.
Someone needs to write a book about shame and Christianity that looks into the mind control of people by shaming them.
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» Men do seem pretty hard on each other
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» Yes...this is a war of women against women designed by men...
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Posted by: jurgen on Jan 19, 2007 6:54 AM
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Reaction of the Americans you described is not surprising, however. You must be familiar with Cargo Cults, Ghost Dances and other group reactions to hopelessness. Somehow magic rituals, appeals to the supernatural, general irrationality will resolve problems that seem otherwise insoluble.
It doesn't work, but it gives the participant a feeling that the collective "we" will be saved. Maybe we shouldn't knock it if it keeps the masses happy, since they really can't do much else about their malaise.
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Posted by: Stellaa on Jan 19, 2007 7:31 AM
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The migratory tendencies of Americans social isolationism leads to a search for artificial belonging and family. Churches in the outalnds are the only places that offer that to immigrants and to migrants. Many immigrant groups keep their cultural attachments through church, native born Americans make many of their attachment through their churches. Churches become tribal markers. So, there is a history of Americans leaning on churches for security. When Americans move to cities they have many other choices that they can choose from. In Europe, church is just church. It is not a a place to find or make friends. It is not a place for social attachments, there are clubs, pubs and other familial connections. Churches here offer an easy avenue to belong. You can volunteer and you don't look or feel like a dork if you are in need of community. These "ministers" know that and they manipulate it. I am sure there will be a new movement of people that are psychologically abused by the ministers and the other church members. Hedges is exactly on point. These churches offer what the society does not offer, belonging, connection and relief from despair. In the Cities people can go join a Yoga group, find a Star Trek club, go out to a bar and vent, find an accupuncturist, take herbs, all kinds of strange things to tweak despair. Other than alcohol, tv, drugs and churches what is there in the wasteland of despair? Now a days, the old social support that was provided by churches has evolved into a big business and has become alligned with the politics of fear and vengeance. Hedges is right, a very scary path towards Fascism.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jan 19, 2007 7:39 AM
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The American Founding Fathers thought that the common people should be free from the dictates of both the church and the state. The church and the state were once again separated. The people were to be in charge of the government and were to be free to worship God in any way or in no way according to their consciences and beliefs. This system worked even better for all concerned: except for the church and the state.
The rich corporate establishment which is now our government wants to return to the good old days when a monarch and the royalty ruled. This time around the plan is that the royalty rule and the monarch serve at their pleasure. To allow the church to take "God's" share is acceptable if they continue to keep the peasants from revolting. This isn't The American Dream it's the American nightmare. Wake up!.
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And so it goes.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 19, 2007 8:17 AM
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It's not about where people live, whether in an inner city slum or a suburb/exurb (or whatever cutesy name makes folks feel good about their stereotyping behavior).
Meh. Get over the stereotyping; get over the denigration; get over the condescension. Once you get over that, open a dialogue on the topic of improving life for all citizens.
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The question, then, is not about changing people; it's about reaching people. I'm not speaking simply of better information, a sharper and clearer factual presentation to disperse the thick fogs generated by today's spin machines. Of course, we always need stronger empirical arguments to back up our case. It would certainly help if at least as many people who believe, say, in a "literal devil" or that God sent George W. Bush to the White House also knew that the top 1 percent of households now have more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined. Yes, people need more information than they get from the media conglomerates with their obsession for nonsense, violence and pap. And we need, as we keep hearing, "new ideas." But we are at an extraordinary moment. The conservative movement stands intellectually and morally bankrupt while Democrats talk about a "new direction" without convincing us they know the difference between a weather vane and a compass. The right story will set our course for a generation to come."
For America's Sake
by BILL MOYERS
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20070122&s=moyers
It's all about us being pro-active in our destiny.... Read more.....
"It is only rarely remembered that the definition of democracy immortalized by Lincoln in the Gettysburg Address had been inspired by Theodore Parker, the abolitionist prophet. Driven from his pulpit, Parker said, "I will go about and preach and lecture in the city and glen, by the roadside and field-side, and wherever men and women may be found." He became the Hound of Freedom and helped to change America through the power of the word. We have a story of equal power. It is that the promise of America leaves no one out. Go now, and tell it on the mountains. From the rooftops, tell it. From your laptops, tell it. From the street corners and from Starbucks, from delis and from diners, tell it. From the workplace and the bookstore, tell it. On campus and at the mall, tell it. Tell it at the synagogue, sanctuary and mosque. Tell it where you can, when you can and while you can--to every candidate for office, to every talk-show host and pundit, to corporate executives and schoolchildren. Tell it--for America's sake."
Best regards,
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Killer of the Gentle Sea Cow
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However, with regards to the "culture of despair" in many of these middle/upper middle class people. I think that some of the views presented by the left/progressives have inadvertantly contributed to this angst. I am referring to the many articles (some published on Alternet) about global warming, catastrophic oil crisies, and even food. "We all have to start eating organic/vegetarian or we're all gonna die!!". "Massive hurricanes from global warming are going to blow away your home together with your wife and kids!!!!" "Catastrophic oil shortages are going to leave you and your family freezing in the dark!!!" etc. etc.
I guess what I am saying that there are those on the Progressive side that have indulged in their own "hell fire and damnation!! the world is coming to an end!". While I am not trying to downplay or dismiss the above issues, I feel Progressives---while adressing them--should also present an attitude that, while we indeed have these problems that working to gather and using science and rationality we can overcome them. Too many articles on Alternet have looked at global warming, oil shortages, and even illegal aliens and sort of concluded "well, we are all going to have to do with less". Not exactly the kind of view that is going to offer an alternative to these people in place of religious apocolypsim.
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asserts that that living person is essentially the result of an historical BIG BANG. I assert that modern science tends to teach a sort of ancient apocalypse that, somehow, gives birth
to all that is precious in this world. Maybe if we look for a scientific understanding of God, a very rational alternative
to know what is going on, might be had? Or maybe modern
science is correct in assuming that all life comes from a chemical soup? Or maybe, if modern science would recognize its limits better, it would not unconsciously contribute to a world that must be atheistic and ultimately, apparently
valueless? I prefer not to think of myself as a robot of the
BIG BANG. Now how the above relates to the subject matter
under consideration, ie, how to bring about the good life for
this troubled human society on planet earth (and obviously in
the good ole US OF A too), I would suggest an open minded
reading of the old literatures of Vedic India. The Bhagavad-
gita is comprised of just 700 verses, articulating the conversation between Krsna (God) and Arjuna (a little eternal
person, like us). This book is not only the Song of God, but
the Science of God, I assert. Please check it out to begin,
possibly, discovering the basis of the philosophy of what I like to call, SPIRITUAL COMMUNISM. Our human society needs a clue to how to understand what all cultures of people and
other forms of life have in common, so that we have a fighting
chance to contribute to bringing about the peaceful, prosperous and truly progressive planetary society that all
folks of good will surely want?
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Posted by: eyeman on Jan 19, 2007 9:46 AM
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People on the left need to listen to others and open up and be tolerant as well.
So much damage to social fabric took place because the left lost much of the sense of humanity they seem to think they defend.
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Virginia is a perfect example of how wrong Hedges' generalizations are. Here it is the Northern suburbs which are the most liberal, leading to the election of Governor Kaine and Senator Webb. You can also find large conservative mega-churches near DC, and if Hedges were to write about the area's churchgoers, that is ALL he would find, because, like Alternet, he is obsessed with the drumming up of fear of religion.
My church is hosting 20 homeless women, as part of a network of over 30 churches in the area. We're also engaged in social justice work through the IMPACT network of churches, taking up issues of affordable housing and accessible public transportation for low wage workers. What is Alternet doing to relieve the suffering of victims of the system?
This site is degenerating into a camp of likeminded blowhards who know next to nothin about the actual conditions in most of the country. This isn't leftism in any sense that has ever had real resonance or success in the US. It's stay-up-late-in-the-dorm bullshit.
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that's the beginning and the end
of theology. If all things are possible,
nothing is impossible.
Whe do the godly then
keep slinging out their nooses?
--Wendell Berry
'nuff said.
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They'd rather steal from poor people. And these clueless idiots that are underprivileged who join the Righ-make that the Wrong aren't any different. They are also pillaged, willingly in their case, by the Neo-Nazi leaders. They are stupid enough to believe that the leaders will use the money for "good" or to spread God's message instead of using it for shady, self-serving actions (think Pat Robertson's diamond mines in Africa). These bigoted fundamentalists are mostly Neo-Confederates. They are the descendants of the monsters who justified slavery/inequal rights for African Americans with perverse Bible passages and scriptures. Their most sacred virtues are greed, bigotry, dishonesty, vindictiveness and hubris. I think I know why most Jews tend to be liberals/Democrats despite the Wrong's totally uncritical support of Israel. That is easy. First, let's remember that before fairly recently, Christians were the ones who were by far the most tyrannical to the Jews; even without counting the Holocaust. Some Jews back then fled to Middle Eastern countries, where the Muslims mostly welcomed them; of course some were anti-Semetic but there's bigots of all kinds in every ideology. And the Wrong has a very thinly veiled attitude that their beliefs are vastly superior to all others; especially Atheism/secularism, as well as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and yes, Judaism, as well as all other flavors of Christianity. There are also still many anti-Semitic chapters in the Wrong's ranks. I would like to see a team of secularists/atheists/Buddhists/Muslims/Jews/liberal Christians/moderate Christians/etc. to join together and kick out these demons once and for all. Of course, they can't be completely eliminated. But I'd just like to remind you that Christianity CAN be perverted into something appalling and evil; ANY ideology can; they always have, and they always will. One of the main reasons I abandoned religion s altogether is because I consider all of them to be far too easily corrupted by psychopaths seeking to twist it to serve their own desires; hence my partial antitheism.
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But the very fact that this analysis, and an excellent one, appears here today, is good news.
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We can petition to enter the diagnosis in the DSM manual, it should be easy.
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Live a clean life. Respect your friends and neighbours. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Honour thy father and thy mother. Isn't this what the religious books say?
If your conscience is clear and your intentions are noble you will have the respect of people around you and at the same time, the almighty spirit will look after you and be with you.
Why make things so complicated? We all know what is right and what is wrong. God is not a Santa Claus. He is not out there to bring you everything you want. Work for what you want and at the same time be generous to the human race.
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there is a better way, I heard about it in 1991...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3F372CFBA3A87C1F
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I recall having an innate inability to "go there," despite tremendous pressure. The assured salvation of the believing few and the damnation of everyone else was just one of the certainties I just couldn't buy.
Perhaps there is despair that drives such enormous numbers in search of the holy grail of salvation, but in addition, there are people just born without an easy conversation with the vagaries of anything but a black and white world. Order, rules, prescribed consequences, good-evil, and the blind certainty of one's own tribe's version of truth are also a common thread.
Nor should unchallenged cultural parochialism be underestimated. Lots of people fall into religion because that's their heritage. A fine liberal arts education would broaden a lot of heretofore closed minds.
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Bush believes in his own wealth and power. Enough people believe in wealth and power to elect him president.
Believing in what lasts, what is strong, rather than what wins in a power struggle, is the answer to nihilism. One of the places such belief can be found is also in religion, because not all religions are the same, despite the simplistic condemnations from the village atheists on Alternet.
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Support indy media.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
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Truly, the spiteful railing of Christian-haters outside the church does little to change the outlook of the kinds of Christians they fear the most. In fact, unconstructive scorn on either side really just causes most people to dig their heels even deeper.
The only people who have any chance of righting the church when it veers off course are levelheaded people within the church.
For those outside the church who are extremely wary of what the radical Christian right is going to do to this nation, they should be aware that there are profound changes simmering in the church right now that will surely change the outlook of American Christianity within the next decade or two. The present condition has less to do with suburban fear and more to do with reactions to social changes in this country decades ago. The future condition will have little to do with outrage from outside the church, but will have much to do with internal reaction to the current excesses among Christian ranks.
Just a perspective.
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American fascism is coming into its own, and those who like to think they're being skeptical by jumping out and screaming "alarmist" hardly show that they understand the psychological dynamics of fascist movements; or that they recognize the huge effort of philosophers (Deleuze, Gautarri, Arendt, Agamben, Zizek), Artists (Debord and the Situationists), sociologists (Mills, Adorno and Horkheimer), psychologists (Fromm, Marcuse, Lacan, Milgram) and economists to understand and steer Western society away from fascism well AFTER World War Two.
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This is utter nonsense. The Christian Right Movement is like any other social movement: Civil Rights, Feminism, Democracy--in essence an amalgam of various degrees of believers united under a single general banner that address specific concerns.
Not all Feminists believe in every article of faith presented by Feminists. Not all people that support Civil Rights believe in every tenet of promoters of civil rights--or even Affirmative Action, but we all believe that American Citizens regardless of the color of their skin have an inherent right to those principles defined in the Constitution of the United States.
I support the Christian Right, but at the same time, I don't unilaterally believe in no abortions under any circumstances.
Rather, I like millions of other voters support the belief that
conception is miraculous, compelling and worthy of far more consideration than the average liberal woman gives it. Does this make me a rabid Fundamentalist Christian? Of course not, but it does make me support their cause and beliefs. Why? Because there is nothing out there in "Liberaland," that I can support and therefore I have no choice.
The same thing has happened to the Democratic Party in that Democratic Handwringers have repeatedly stated that as the Democratic Party embraces more left wing causes and becomes further and further removed from a centrist position, it becomes more and more difficult to embrace the middle of the road and the conservative voter--in essence they are pushed to the right.
The best example of this is the change of position on Gun Control. Very few Democratic politicians will bring up gun control as a platform position. Why? Because most of them cannot get elected in suburban/ rural areas with that kind of a platform.
It is the same with the Christian Right. As Democrats and Liberals/ Progressives move further away from centrist positions, they loose the more centrist and conservative voter.
I can assure Mr. Hedges that neither I nor the average voter lives in "the depths of despair," as he alleges. Voters like myself have to make rational decisions based on where we see society heading. And for most of us, the level of promiscuousness, the constant outlay of taxes to help those that refuse to help themselves, and the constant attack on fundamental principles of morality and decency are the real reasons that voters of both liberal and conservative persuasions flock to the postions of the Christian Right--and we will continue to do so.
This faux/hysteric premise on Hedges' part appears to be nothing more than a marketing ploy to sell his book.
There is ample empirical evidence that even with the debacles the Republican Party prior to the November vote, many Republicans still retained their political seats.
There is no question that if the Republicans had not had the
bad press that they had, and the poor results in Iraq, they would not have lost any seats and would still be the majority.
And, should the Democrats not perform according to the interests of the population, there is no doubt that they will again become the minority party. The fact is this country is more conservative than it is liberal and that is an unmitigated reality.
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Posted by: Kelly on Jan 21, 2007 8:07 PM
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Also, these churches are providing the social services that are provided by secular governments in many countries, only the churches provide them with a dose of dogma. Equitable tax structuring and giving people a leg up...in a fashion that doesn't breed despair while filling one's tummy (think Cabrini Green) might go some way to turn the problem around. Also, with no education, it's hard to believe that the parishioners will ever see that the preacher has no pants.
Dystopian visions have been fascinating people since More's Utopia and Gulliver's Travels. People gravitate toward things like Alas, Babylon and the tv show Jericho because they want to feel strong again, like they could make it on their own without their corporate feeders, and that there will be the space and resources to build a better place. Now that we've slammed into the West Coast, the wind got knocked out of Manifest Destiny. There are no more Indians to murder for their land (outside of some undesirable, out of the way forgotten hellholes) and the underpinnings of the American Dream were knocked out with it....but no one wants to admit that, so now we have homicidal fantasies of killing our neighbors via nuclear war or ebola pandemics.
We need to take a lesson from this article and figure out how we can empower each other. Unfortunately, this reminds me of a scene from my freshman communication class. We were split into groups and asked to play a game. The rules were designed so that the way to get the maximum points was to help each other so that everyone got the same number of points. My prof. was astonished to see that we figured this out, and then proceeded to play the game against each other, anyway. My guess is that the species can't get its act together enough to work together for all of our benefit.
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Posted by: Yostie on Jan 22, 2007 9:43 AM
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But in order to better understand the phenomenon of rise of the religious right we need to consider that there is yet another hidden component, and that is from the demonic realm. When people lose their relationship with God the first thing they experience is fear (Adam's first words after the fall were "We were afraid...") because of the feeling of powerlessness associated with the loss. So in order to try to alleviate the fear and to retrieve the feeling of power, people often congregate with others of like mind (in order to enhance the feeling of power) and together embark on religious projects that have some sort of display of power, and as history proves, that power is always, always, mediated through a man at the top.
The demonic realm is programmed to combat all Godly power and their first line of attack is to create division. Hence the myriad of Christian denominations and the myriad of religions and political ideologies (same thing), each with their man at the top. There is a principality (what the Christian Bible referrs to as a fallen angel) who has been sometimes referred to as 'the spirit of top down control.' It is his job to insure that all worldly power be overseen by top down control under the direction of a man at the top directed (inspired) by a top down control clone spirit, a lesser spirit that answers to the principality of top down control, who in turn answers directly to Satan.
The name of the principality of top down control is what the Christian Bible refers to as 'The Spirit of Antichrist.' Most people think the word 'Antichrist' means 'enemy of Christ.' The actual root meaning of the name 'Antichrist' is 'Other Than Christ', or 'False Christ.' In the Old Testament of the Christian Bible the principality of top down control instructed his first human representatives to call him 'Baal', and later by the Babylonians 'Bel', and then later by the Greeks 'Cronos', and later by the Romans 'Saturn'. But his personality is manifested in human affairs mostly through religious/political top down control (man at the top) scenarios that involve endless 'good works' projects, seemingly just like things Jesus would have people do. After all, it is Antichrist's job to make people think he is Jesus, and according to the Christian Bible most of the people of the people of the world will one day think he is Jesus and will worship him as such. Evidently it has already started with the people of religious right who so adore their men at the top.
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Posted by: moll18 on Jan 22, 2007 3:16 PM
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I live in a religious Republican town. My neighbors (three families) all think that being "good christians" means lying about a neighbor in a public town meeting (they were accused by the three of them of being pedophile pornographers for taking pictures of their own property damages committed by one of the "good christian" neighbors). This one neighbor," who just happened to recently get "Jesus," seemed to have a big problem with keeping his pants on in front of neighbor children and neighbors in general, providing alcohol to teen minors (the wife is in training to be an RN and went to court for this charge) and deliberate harassment/terrorism and criminal property damages by these two parents and their three children, day or night for nine years. (How long we have lived here. I guess profanity and obscenity are the good christian words of choice.) Are these your morals and values? They are not mine at all.
If you have not guessed it, I am the neighbor they accused this of. Apparently, my not "looking the other way" to criminal activities committed by these so-called "good christians" and doing the "right thing" was my undoing.
Now, instead of these adults living up to their responsibilities, they instead took us to court for a harassment restraining order based on this senario of us being pedophile pornographers. (Of course we won this in court with our over-whelming evidence of this being a lie.)
We went to our city hall and councilmembers for help with this problem, trying to keep it a private matter, as we did not want to air their "dirty laundry" in public. (We live in a small town) Instead of help, the city retaliated right along with this problem neighbor and encouraged them to continue their harassment/terrorism and damages to our property.
We tried talking to the problem neighbor in the beginning, but in the end, resorted to letting the police handle it. (Isn't this what good neighbors do, talk to neighbors?)
The police too backed these "good christian" neighbors. Down-playing the indecent exposure acts committed in front of children as a simple "mooning," with a pat on the back by responding officers, even though this was the second time this man had done this in two weeks, more times before this. He should have been arrested and taken to jail for sex related offenses. That's if you consider full frontal nudity as simple "mooning". The property damages were down-played to just a complaint instead of vandalism and theft. All had been witnessed and with pictures to back it up and shown to the chief of police.
Me, being raised a Catholic, who to this day abides by the ten commandments, was flabbergasted to say the least. I have never encountered neighbors who were so malicious and used their religious standing and seniority in the neighborhood to enforce their position. They all witnessed what this one neighbor was doing to us over the years, but chose to back them and perpetuate this lie about us publically. (I also ran, not walked, away from all religion after witnessing the intolerance, violence and dishonesty of these religions. They clearly do not do God's work at all.)
All of these neighbors have lived here before us and therefore think that this senority and their religion somehow gives them special privilages by city hall and police department, and apparently so. I, on the other hand, think that neighbors are neighbors no matter how long they lived in the neighborhood.
I recall that the ten commandments state (#9), "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Apparently, christians do not abide by the ten commandments anymore and obviously think them a mere nuisance!
Mostly what I see the religious right doing is imposing their values and morals on everyone else. The same morals and values they themselves do not abide by.
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Posted by: shhazam4 on Jan 25, 2007 1:50 PM
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Myths will probably always be the refuge for despair, fear, uncertainty and other anxieties whenever people need reassurance.
The problems arise when people fail to control their myths.
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Isn't this just about how the Nazi party came to power? Charismatic leadership for a down-trodden people - preaching to them how everything they go through isn't THEIR fault, and that it's THEIR turn to take control and bring their own values to the forefront in society?
Eventually, everyone gets so whipped up in a frenzy, they become militant. Probably the only reason why it hasn't happened here in the U.S. on a large scale is that we, as a people, are fairly comfortable and lazy - especially those in the suburbs. And the right leader hasn't come along yet...
I seriously wonder what would happen if Pat Robertson or someone of his ilk were to "pull the trigger" and command their followers that, if they truly believe, they should take up arms and free our country from its debauchery and slavery by the secular left. I wonder how many people would organize and start shooting... and how many would walk away.
A site I found on Hitler and Christianity that may or may not be relevant: http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
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Posted by: xbj on Jan 19, 2007 12:20 AM
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The basic law of true Christianity, "Love your enemy" was the pinnacle of empathy, but the people using false Christianity and Christianism today are doing it for money and power. A religion of tolerance and love for enemies perverted into intolerance, greed, and the power to inflict one limited idea of morality on everyone else in the world.
At least "Elmer Gantry" was just after money. Any amount of power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and what all these evangelists conveniently forget is just how diligently and faithfully and purposefully Jesus Christ ran from power and politics His entire life, at times completely disappearing into thin air when crowds got too rabid.
The evangelist leaves true Christianity the very second they ask for money, something Jesus Christ never did.
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Posted by: Moonray on Jan 19, 2007 12:23 AM
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I spent some years in Asia and was impressed by the courage and stoicism of people there who at the time were living in grinding poverty, the kind that's very rare in this country. Yet it was my impression that the vast majority of those Asians were atheist or agnostic, or observed Buddhism or Taoism in a very casual way.
Americans are steeped in religious imagery and influences from birth. Religion assails us from our TV sets, radios and even movie theaters, not to mention the ubiquitous church on every corner. We must liberate ourselves from these influences and protect our children from them if our society and government are ever to improve.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 19, 2007 12:33 AM
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This allows those who would twist a message of grace, peace, mercy and forgiveness into a practice of hatred, bigotry, violence and judgement a great deal of wiggle room. If one does not know what the texts say and are spoon fed by your pastor and elders, how would you know better? Some unscrupulous individuals prey on this fact to advance their political agendas by bending the message to suit themselves.
This is not the source of the whole problem, but is the source of much of it.
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They'll swoop in and kick ass!
"We would like to encourage you to schedule an "Invasion Weekend" at your unit. As one of the leading crusade providers for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, we have ministered in nearly 300 prisons throughout the United States."
and
"Contrary to popular opinion, America does not have a gun problem, drug problem, violence problem, teenage pregnacy problem, or even a school dropout problem. America has a CHARACTER problem. As long as we continue to treat the symptoms and not the root cause, we will never keep up with crime, drugs, and other forms of moral failure."
It's the Texas way!
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 19, 2007 1:57 AM
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And what about those who aren't alienated, disconnected, down on their luck, etc., but join anyway because it feeds their ego and personal prejudices?
This is another example of the patronizing left deflecting individual responsibility off of grown adults and onto "elites" or circumstances, because they don't want to abandon their own blind faith in "the people."
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Posted by: gazooks on Jan 19, 2007 3:21 AM
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We demand so little from government that sponsors a view of community as simply a commercial enterprise and neglects any semblance of "soul". It too reveals a basic weakness in our underlying "spirituality" who's institutions are largely complacent with the status quo and discourage dissent.
Our vision of what's acceptable as community is stunted by our preoccupation with "appearances" of success, a soulless, plasticized facsimile of traditional architectural influences, our self perpetuating automotive culture of aggression based in fear, self doubt and intolerance, and environmental indifference. (unless it effects property values) Not a prescription for well balanced, creative and engaging future population.
It's discouraging, particularly at this time of year, while waging war for the wrong reasons, broad violations of principle and justice and with various calamities looming. But there is hope as long as we do what we can, whenever we can, to humanize our existence by reaching out to communicate as much good will as we can muster. To dispel if only for a moment, someone else's fear.
If we simply think creatively, commit to represent tolerance and extend ourselves to others we create community.
"... so if you see your neighbor carryin' somethin', help him with his load, and don't go mistakin' paradise for that home across the road." - Dylan
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Posted by: ISlamIslam on Jan 19, 2007 4:04 AM
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"The First Law states that because of the modern liberal belief in the moral and substantive equality of all peoples and cultures, the worse any minority or non-Western group really is, the worse the West must be made to appear, as the guilty cause of the non-Western group’s bad or dysfunctional behavior, or as simply bad in itself. If the worse is made to look better, and the better made to look worse, an apparent rough equality is maintained between them, and the liberal view survives. In the case of Islam, if it is true that Islam seeks to impose an Islamic theocracy over the world, liberals cannot acknowledge this fact, because Islam would then cease being the morally equal and culturally rich Other whom we must tolerate and embrace, and become a morally inferior and hostile destructive adversary whom we must resist and exclude. Therefore, in a massive act of denial, liberals displace the danger Islam poses to the West onto the West itself, especially onto American conservative Christians. Instead of the threat being the historically and actually existing Islamic agenda to establish an Islamic world theocracy, the threat becomes a non-existent American Christian agenda to establish an American or even a world Christian theocracy, a threat that must be met by radically weakening Christianity or even eliminating it altogether.
Thus, having discovered that a non-Western religion is waging war on the West, the left responds by waging war against the West’s own religion."
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THE Prime Minister has been caught in a religious row after taping a goodwill message for a fundamentalist Christian group previously accused of inciting anti-Islamic hatred.
The Prime Minister has appeared in a DVD message for a major multi-denomination gathering in Melbourne on Australia Day that is being sponsored by the controversial Catch the Fire ministries.
Organisers are refusing to release the content of the Prime Minister's message, other than to confirm it was on "Australian values" - saying anyone interested in hearing it will have to come to the event.
But it has been reported that in the message, Mr Howard says Christianity has been a force for good in the world. A spokesman for the PM has said Mr Howard does not regret recording the message.
The PM's decision has been described as "dangerous". Muslim community leaders said Mr Howard risked legitimising hateful anti-Islamic views.
Yasser Soliman, a member of Mr Howard's Muslim Community Reference Group and a former president of the Islamic Council of Victoria, said today while Mr Howard is free to address whom he chooses, he should have thought twice.
"What he says is extremely influential and what he fails to say is also influential. I would hope that he would clearly condemn hate speeches in all their forms, irrespective of who the perpetrators are," he said.
"I can't stop the Prime Minister addressing who he wants to, but he should be very cautious, especially with groups which have a history of toxic-hate speech."
Last month the Victorian Court of Appeal threw out the charges brought in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Appeals Tribunal which had sought to jail Pastor Danny Nalliah and Daniel Scot for allegedly inciting hatred, contempt, revulsion and ridicule of Muslims.
The outcry comes as federal police launched an investigation into inflammatory comments by Sydney's Sheik Feiz Mohammed, which included a description of Jews as pigs and calls for children to die as "martyrs of faith".
Friday's Christian rally at Melbourne's Festival Hall is expected to attract up to 5000 people of various denominations.
Mr Howard is being promoted in flyers as delivering a keynote message which will be "personally directed to Catch the Fire ministries".
The rally will also say prayers against terrorism, for divine protection for Australia's armed forces and for the Government, according to organisers.
Pastor Nalliah, one of two Catch the Fire ministers charged with breaking state vilification laws in 2002, has refused to divulge what Mr Howard has said in his recorded message for fear it will be taken out of context.
"I have kept it confidential up until Australia Day," he said.
"The best thing is for the media to come and listen to it firsthand on Australia Day, then say what they believed they heard the Prime Minister said."
He said the event involves a wide range of religious groups including the Salvation Army, Presbyterian and Anglican churches and smaller organisations.
"It's about coming together to pray for a nation and I think it's a great opportunity," he said.
Pastor Nalliah said Treasurer Peter Costello, Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaille and former deputy PM John Anderson had addressed Catch the Fire meetings in the past.
Islamic Council of Victoria board member Waleed Aly described Catch the Fire as "spectacularly ignorant", claiming its members were in alliance with the far-Right League of Rights.
Amid the fallout of Sheik Feiz's lecture DVD becoming public, Acting Attorney-General Kevin Andrews said the Government was worried about a pattern of behaviour among outspoken Islamic leaders.
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Nothing like a bit of alarmist hyperbole about the end of the world coming next week to mark an article as being from AlterNet...
Fighting fire with fire, or is it just that "it takes one to know one"?
> She stood up in one of the morning sessions, attended by about 300 people, most of them women...
"The most dangerous mass movement in American history," a movement of women?
Ooooh, I'm really scared now...
I hope they eventually make it into a TV show. It could blow Desparate Housewives right out of the water in the suburban despair category.
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St. Augustine was the first Church Father to consider the concept of a Just War. Within 100 years after Constantine, the Empire required that all soldiers in the army must be baptized Christians and thus, the decline of Christianity began.
With the justification of war and violence supplied by Augustine’s Just War Theory, wrong became right.
Nothing much has changed in two millennia, for in today’s Orwellian world politicians claim the way to peace is through war and that nuclear weapons provide protection.
In 313 AD, Emperor Constantine legitimized Christianity and thus, those who had been considered rebels and outlaws began to enjoy political power and prestige.
Jesus’ other name is The Prince of Peace, and with the marriage of church and state, his true teachings were reinterpreted.
The justification of warfare and the use of state sponsored violence corrupted what Christ modeled and taught. Jesus was always on about WAKE UP! The Divine already indwells you and all others.
Christ taught that to follow him requires that one must love ones enemies; one must forgive those who hate, curse and revile them, without a thought of payback.
Christ lived a life that proved evil can be opposed without being mirrored, and that the cycle of a “tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye”, will never bring peace and justice.
The term Christianity was not coined until three decades after Christ walked the earth. Until the day of Paul, followers of Christ were called members of The Way; the way being what he taught!
Christ was never a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up/intifada and challenged the corrupt Temple and disturbed the status quo of the Roman occupying forces by teaching that God was on the side of the poor and the outcast.
Clement, Tertillian, Polycarp and every other early Church Father taught that violence was a contradiction of what Christ was all about. There have always been those Christians who spoke out against this corruption of scripture and they have been ignored, reviled, rejected, mocked, persecuted and maligned throughout time.
There have always been Christians who have never abandoned the true teachings, such as the Quakers, Mennonites, some Catholics and Protestants who have been faithful witnesses to Christ by denouncing violence and caring for the poor.
There have also always been Jews, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, secularists and other’s who have lived lives that embody the message of Christ.
I have had the opportunity to meet some of these people in Israel and Palestine and they are the inspiration for "Memoirs of a Nice Irish-American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
to be released Feb. 2007.
More excerpts can be read in the Dec/Jan WAWA Blog:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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The women who get abortions/ come under the sway of the right wingers, are already shamed and humilated for what they have done because the culture is so shaming. (All they have done is exercise choice and have a will of their own--something men take for granted). Then, voila, the religious zealots tell you that you can rid yourself of your 'sins.' It's psycho-spiritual jujitsu--manipulate and dominate people's minds through shaming their sexuality.
Someone needs to write a book about shame and Christianity that looks into the mind control of people by shaming them.
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Posted by: jurgen on Jan 19, 2007 6:54 AM
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Reaction of the Americans you described is not surprising, however. You must be familiar with Cargo Cults, Ghost Dances and other group reactions to hopelessness. Somehow magic rituals, appeals to the supernatural, general irrationality will resolve problems that seem otherwise insoluble.
It doesn't work, but it gives the participant a feeling that the collective "we" will be saved. Maybe we shouldn't knock it if it keeps the masses happy, since they really can't do much else about their malaise.
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Posted by: Stellaa on Jan 19, 2007 7:31 AM
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The migratory tendencies of Americans social isolationism leads to a search for artificial belonging and family. Churches in the outalnds are the only places that offer that to immigrants and to migrants. Many immigrant groups keep their cultural attachments through church, native born Americans make many of their attachment through their churches. Churches become tribal markers. So, there is a history of Americans leaning on churches for security. When Americans move to cities they have many other choices that they can choose from. In Europe, church is just church. It is not a a place to find or make friends. It is not a place for social attachments, there are clubs, pubs and other familial connections. Churches here offer an easy avenue to belong. You can volunteer and you don't look or feel like a dork if you are in need of community. These "ministers" know that and they manipulate it. I am sure there will be a new movement of people that are psychologically abused by the ministers and the other church members. Hedges is exactly on point. These churches offer what the society does not offer, belonging, connection and relief from despair. In the Cities people can go join a Yoga group, find a Star Trek club, go out to a bar and vent, find an accupuncturist, take herbs, all kinds of strange things to tweak despair. Other than alcohol, tv, drugs and churches what is there in the wasteland of despair? Now a days, the old social support that was provided by churches has evolved into a big business and has become alligned with the politics of fear and vengeance. Hedges is right, a very scary path towards Fascism.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jan 19, 2007 7:39 AM
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The American Founding Fathers thought that the common people should be free from the dictates of both the church and the state. The church and the state were once again separated. The people were to be in charge of the government and were to be free to worship God in any way or in no way according to their consciences and beliefs. This system worked even better for all concerned: except for the church and the state.
The rich corporate establishment which is now our government wants to return to the good old days when a monarch and the royalty ruled. This time around the plan is that the royalty rule and the monarch serve at their pleasure. To allow the church to take "God's" share is acceptable if they continue to keep the peasants from revolting. This isn't The American Dream it's the American nightmare. Wake up!.
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Posted by: bgeerdes on Jan 19, 2007 7:45 AM
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And so it goes.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 19, 2007 8:17 AM
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It's not about where people live, whether in an inner city slum or a suburb/exurb (or whatever cutesy name makes folks feel good about their stereotyping behavior).
Meh. Get over the stereotyping; get over the denigration; get over the condescension. Once you get over that, open a dialogue on the topic of improving life for all citizens.
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Posted by: fearlessmanateehunter on Jan 19, 2007 8:23 AM
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The question, then, is not about changing people; it's about reaching people. I'm not speaking simply of better information, a sharper and clearer factual presentation to disperse the thick fogs generated by today's spin machines. Of course, we always need stronger empirical arguments to back up our case. It would certainly help if at least as many people who believe, say, in a "literal devil" or that God sent George W. Bush to the White House also knew that the top 1 percent of households now have more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined. Yes, people need more information than they get from the media conglomerates with their obsession for nonsense, violence and pap. And we need, as we keep hearing, "new ideas." But we are at an extraordinary moment. The conservative movement stands intellectually and morally bankrupt while Democrats talk about a "new direction" without convincing us they know the difference between a weather vane and a compass. The right story will set our course for a generation to come."
For America's Sake
by BILL MOYERS
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20070122&s=moyers
It's all about us being pro-active in our destiny.... Read more.....
"It is only rarely remembered that the definition of democracy immortalized by Lincoln in the Gettysburg Address had been inspired by Theodore Parker, the abolitionist prophet. Driven from his pulpit, Parker said, "I will go about and preach and lecture in the city and glen, by the roadside and field-side, and wherever men and women may be found." He became the Hound of Freedom and helped to change America through the power of the word. We have a story of equal power. It is that the promise of America leaves no one out. Go now, and tell it on the mountains. From the rooftops, tell it. From your laptops, tell it. From the street corners and from Starbucks, from delis and from diners, tell it. From the workplace and the bookstore, tell it. On campus and at the mall, tell it. Tell it at the synagogue, sanctuary and mosque. Tell it where you can, when you can and while you can--to every candidate for office, to every talk-show host and pundit, to corporate executives and schoolchildren. Tell it--for America's sake."
Best regards,
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Killer of the Gentle Sea Cow
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 19, 2007 8:27 AM
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However, with regards to the "culture of despair" in many of these middle/upper middle class people. I think that some of the views presented by the left/progressives have inadvertantly contributed to this angst. I am referring to the many articles (some published on Alternet) about global warming, catastrophic oil crisies, and even food. "We all have to start eating organic/vegetarian or we're all gonna die!!". "Massive hurricanes from global warming are going to blow away your home together with your wife and kids!!!!" "Catastrophic oil shortages are going to leave you and your family freezing in the dark!!!" etc. etc.
I guess what I am saying that there are those on the Progressive side that have indulged in their own "hell fire and damnation!! the world is coming to an end!". While I am not trying to downplay or dismiss the above issues, I feel Progressives---while adressing them--should also present an attitude that, while we indeed have these problems that working to gather and using science and rationality we can overcome them. Too many articles on Alternet have looked at global warming, oil shortages, and even illegal aliens and sort of concluded "well, we are all going to have to do with less". Not exactly the kind of view that is going to offer an alternative to these people in place of religious apocolypsim.
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Posted by: jivajones on Jan 19, 2007 8:35 AM
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asserts that that living person is essentially the result of an historical BIG BANG. I assert that modern science tends to teach a sort of ancient apocalypse that, somehow, gives birth
to all that is precious in this world. Maybe if we look for a scientific understanding of God, a very rational alternative
to know what is going on, might be had? Or maybe modern
science is correct in assuming that all life comes from a chemical soup? Or maybe, if modern science would recognize its limits better, it would not unconsciously contribute to a world that must be atheistic and ultimately, apparently
valueless? I prefer not to think of myself as a robot of the
BIG BANG. Now how the above relates to the subject matter
under consideration, ie, how to bring about the good life for
this troubled human society on planet earth (and obviously in
the good ole US OF A too), I would suggest an open minded
reading of the old literatures of Vedic India. The Bhagavad-
gita is comprised of just 700 verses, articulating the conversation between Krsna (God) and Arjuna (a little eternal
person, like us). This book is not only the Song of God, but
the Science of God, I assert. Please check it out to begin,
possibly, discovering the basis of the philosophy of what I like to call, SPIRITUAL COMMUNISM. Our human society needs a clue to how to understand what all cultures of people and
other forms of life have in common, so that we have a fighting
chance to contribute to bringing about the peaceful, prosperous and truly progressive planetary society that all
folks of good will surely want?
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Posted by: eyeman on Jan 19, 2007 9:46 AM
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People on the left need to listen to others and open up and be tolerant as well.
So much damage to social fabric took place because the left lost much of the sense of humanity they seem to think they defend.
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Posted by: kenhymes on Jan 19, 2007 9:51 AM
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Virginia is a perfect example of how wrong Hedges' generalizations are. Here it is the Northern suburbs which are the most liberal, leading to the election of Governor Kaine and Senator Webb. You can also find large conservative mega-churches near DC, and if Hedges were to write about the area's churchgoers, that is ALL he would find, because, like Alternet, he is obsessed with the drumming up of fear of religion.
My church is hosting 20 homeless women, as part of a network of over 30 churches in the area. We're also engaged in social justice work through the IMPACT network of churches, taking up issues of affordable housing and accessible public transportation for low wage workers. What is Alternet doing to relieve the suffering of victims of the system?
This site is degenerating into a camp of likeminded blowhards who know next to nothin about the actual conditions in most of the country. This isn't leftism in any sense that has ever had real resonance or success in the US. It's stay-up-late-in-the-dorm bullshit.
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that's the beginning and the end
of theology. If all things are possible,
nothing is impossible.
Whe do the godly then
keep slinging out their nooses?
--Wendell Berry
'nuff said.
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Posted by: Lord Ichmael on Jan 19, 2007 12:34 PM
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They'd rather steal from poor people. And these clueless idiots that are underprivileged who join the Righ-make that the Wrong aren't any different. They are also pillaged, willingly in their case, by the Neo-Nazi leaders. They are stupid enough to believe that the leaders will use the money for "good" or to spread God's message instead of using it for shady, self-serving actions (think Pat Robertson's diamond mines in Africa). These bigoted fundamentalists are mostly Neo-Confederates. They are the descendants of the monsters who justified slavery/inequal rights for African Americans with perverse Bible passages and scriptures. Their most sacred virtues are greed, bigotry, dishonesty, vindictiveness and hubris. I think I know why most Jews tend to be liberals/Democrats despite the Wrong's totally uncritical support of Israel. That is easy. First, let's remember that before fairly recently, Christians were the ones who were by far the most tyrannical to the Jews; even without counting the Holocaust. Some Jews back then fled to Middle Eastern countries, where the Muslims mostly welcomed them; of course some were anti-Semetic but there's bigots of all kinds in every ideology. And the Wrong has a very thinly veiled attitude that their beliefs are vastly superior to all others; especially Atheism/secularism, as well as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and yes, Judaism, as well as all other flavors of Christianity. There are also still many anti-Semitic chapters in the Wrong's ranks. I would like to see a team of secularists/atheists/Buddhists/Muslims/Jews/liberal Christians/moderate Christians/etc. to join together and kick out these demons once and for all. Of course, they can't be completely eliminated. But I'd just like to remind you that Christianity CAN be perverted into something appalling and evil; ANY ideology can; they always have, and they always will. One of the main reasons I abandoned religion s altogether is because I consider all of them to be far too easily corrupted by psychopaths seeking to twist it to serve their own desires; hence my partial antitheism.
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Posted by: fifthworld on Jan 19, 2007 1:20 PM
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But the very fact that this analysis, and an excellent one, appears here today, is good news.
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We can petition to enter the diagnosis in the DSM manual, it should be easy.
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Live a clean life. Respect your friends and neighbours. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Honour thy father and thy mother. Isn't this what the religious books say?
If your conscience is clear and your intentions are noble you will have the respect of people around you and at the same time, the almighty spirit will look after you and be with you.
Why make things so complicated? We all know what is right and what is wrong. God is not a Santa Claus. He is not out there to bring you everything you want. Work for what you want and at the same time be generous to the human race.
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there is a better way, I heard about it in 1991...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3F372CFBA3A87C1F
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I recall having an innate inability to "go there," despite tremendous pressure. The assured salvation of the believing few and the damnation of everyone else was just one of the certainties I just couldn't buy.
Perhaps there is despair that drives such enormous numbers in search of the holy grail of salvation, but in addition, there are people just born without an easy conversation with the vagaries of anything but a black and white world. Order, rules, prescribed consequences, good-evil, and the blind certainty of one's own tribe's version of truth are also a common thread.
Nor should unchallenged cultural parochialism be underestimated. Lots of people fall into religion because that's their heritage. A fine liberal arts education would broaden a lot of heretofore closed minds.
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Bush believes in his own wealth and power. Enough people believe in wealth and power to elect him president.
Believing in what lasts, what is strong, rather than what wins in a power struggle, is the answer to nihilism. One of the places such belief can be found is also in religion, because not all religions are the same, despite the simplistic condemnations from the village atheists on Alternet.
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Support indy media.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
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Truly, the spiteful railing of Christian-haters outside the church does little to change the outlook of the kinds of Christians they fear the most. In fact, unconstructive scorn on either side really just causes most people to dig their heels even deeper.
The only people who have any chance of righting the church when it veers off course are levelheaded people within the church.
For those outside the church who are extremely wary of what the radical Christian right is going to do to this nation, they should be aware that there are profound changes simmering in the church right now that will surely change the outlook of American Christianity within the next decade or two. The present condition has less to do with suburban fear and more to do with reactions to social changes in this country decades ago. The future condition will have little to do with outrage from outside the church, but will have much to do with internal reaction to the current excesses among Christian ranks.
Just a perspective.
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American fascism is coming into its own, and those who like to think they're being skeptical by jumping out and screaming "alarmist" hardly show that they understand the psychological dynamics of fascist movements; or that they recognize the huge effort of philosophers (Deleuze, Gautarri, Arendt, Agamben, Zizek), Artists (Debord and the Situationists), sociologists (Mills, Adorno and Horkheimer), psychologists (Fromm, Marcuse, Lacan, Milgram) and economists to understand and steer Western society away from fascism well AFTER World War Two.
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Posted by: faultroy on Jan 21, 2007 4:24 AM
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This is utter nonsense. The Christian Right Movement is like any other social movement: Civil Rights, Feminism, Democracy--in essence an amalgam of various degrees of believers united under a single general banner that address specific concerns.
Not all Feminists believe in every article of faith presented by Feminists. Not all people that support Civil Rights believe in every tenet of promoters of civil rights--or even Affirmative Action, but we all believe that American Citizens regardless of the color of their skin have an inherent right to those principles defined in the Constitution of the United States.
I support the Christian Right, but at the same time, I don't unilaterally believe in no abortions under any circumstances.
Rather, I like millions of other voters support the belief that
conception is miraculous, compelling and worthy of far more consideration than the average liberal woman gives it. Does this make me a rabid Fundamentalist Christian? Of course not, but it does make me support their cause and beliefs. Why? Because there is nothing out there in "Liberaland," that I can support and therefore I have no choice.
The same thing has happened to the Democratic Party in that Democratic Handwringers have repeatedly stated that as the Democratic Party embraces more left wing causes and becomes further and further removed from a centrist position, it becomes more and more difficult to embrace the middle of the road and the conservative voter--in essence they are pushed to the right.
The best example of this is the change of position on Gun Control. Very few Democratic politicians will bring up gun control as a platform position. Why? Because most of them cannot get elected in suburban/ rural areas with that kind of a platform.
It is the same with the Christian Right. As Democrats and Liberals/ Progressives move further away from centrist positions, they loose the more centrist and conservative voter.
I can assure Mr. Hedges that neither I nor the average voter lives in "the depths of despair," as he alleges. Voters like myself have to make rational decisions based on where we see society heading. And for most of us, the level of promiscuousness, the constant outlay of taxes to help those that refuse to help themselves, and the constant attack on fundamental principles of morality and decency are the real reasons that voters of both liberal and conservative persuasions flock to the postions of the Christian Right--and we will continue to do so.
This faux/hysteric premise on Hedges' part appears to be nothing more than a marketing ploy to sell his book.
There is ample empirical evidence that even with the debacles the Republican Party prior to the November vote, many Republicans still retained their political seats.
There is no question that if the Republicans had not had the
bad press that they had, and the poor results in Iraq, they would not have lost any seats and would still be the majority.
And, should the Democrats not perform according to the interests of the population, there is no doubt that they will again become the minority party. The fact is this country is more conservative than it is liberal and that is an unmitigated reality.
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Posted by: Kelly on Jan 21, 2007 8:07 PM
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Also, these churches are providing the social services that are provided by secular governments in many countries, only the churches provide them with a dose of dogma. Equitable tax structuring and giving people a leg up...in a fashion that doesn't breed despair while filling one's tummy (think Cabrini Green) might go some way to turn the problem around. Also, with no education, it's hard to believe that the parishioners will ever see that the preacher has no pants.
Dystopian visions have been fascinating people since More's Utopia and Gulliver's Travels. People gravitate toward things like Alas, Babylon and the tv show Jericho because they want to feel strong again, like they could make it on their own without their corporate feeders, and that there will be the space and resources to build a better place. Now that we've slammed into the West Coast, the wind got knocked out of Manifest Destiny. There are no more Indians to murder for their land (outside of some undesirable, out of the way forgotten hellholes) and the underpinnings of the American Dream were knocked out with it....but no one wants to admit that, so now we have homicidal fantasies of killing our neighbors via nuclear war or ebola pandemics.
We need to take a lesson from this article and figure out how we can empower each other. Unfortunately, this reminds me of a scene from my freshman communication class. We were split into groups and asked to play a game. The rules were designed so that the way to get the maximum points was to help each other so that everyone got the same number of points. My prof. was astonished to see that we figured this out, and then proceeded to play the game against each other, anyway. My guess is that the species can't get its act together enough to work together for all of our benefit.
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But in order to better understand the phenomenon of rise of the religious right we need to consider that there is yet another hidden component, and that is from the demonic realm. When people lose their relationship with God the first thing they experience is fear (Adam's first words after the fall were "We were afraid...") because of the feeling of powerlessness associated with the loss. So in order to try to alleviate the fear and to retrieve the feeling of power, people often congregate with others of like mind (in order to enhance the feeling of power) and together embark on religious projects that have some sort of display of power, and as history proves, that power is always, always, mediated through a man at the top.
The demonic realm is programmed to combat all Godly power and their first line of attack is to create division. Hence the myriad of Christian denominations and the myriad of religions and political ideologies (same thing), each with their man at the top. There is a principality (what the Christian Bible referrs to as a fallen angel) who has been sometimes referred to as 'the spirit of top down control.' It is his job to insure that all worldly power be overseen by top down control under the direction of a man at the top directed (inspired) by a top down control clone spirit, a lesser spirit that answers to the principality of top down control, who in turn answers directly to Satan.
The name of the principality of top down control is what the Christian Bible refers to as 'The Spirit of Antichrist.' Most people think the word 'Antichrist' means 'enemy of Christ.' The actual root meaning of the name 'Antichrist' is 'Other Than Christ', or 'False Christ.' In the Old Testament of the Christian Bible the principality of top down control instructed his first human representatives to call him 'Baal', and later by the Babylonians 'Bel', and then later by the Greeks 'Cronos', and later by the Romans 'Saturn'. But his personality is manifested in human affairs mostly through religious/political top down control (man at the top) scenarios that involve endless 'good works' projects, seemingly just like things Jesus would have people do. After all, it is Antichrist's job to make people think he is Jesus, and according to the Christian Bible most of the people of the people of the world will one day think he is Jesus and will worship him as such. Evidently it has already started with the people of religious right who so adore their men at the top.
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I live in a religious Republican town. My neighbors (three families) all think that being "good christians" means lying about a neighbor in a public town meeting (they were accused by the three of them of being pedophile pornographers for taking pictures of their own property damages committed by one of the "good christian" neighbors). This one neighbor," who just happened to recently get "Jesus," seemed to have a big problem with keeping his pants on in front of neighbor children and neighbors in general, providing alcohol to teen minors (the wife is in training to be an RN and went to court for this charge) and deliberate harassment/terrorism and criminal property damages by these two parents and their three children, day or night for nine years. (How long we have lived here. I guess profanity and obscenity are the good christian words of choice.) Are these your morals and values? They are not mine at all.
If you have not guessed it, I am the neighbor they accused this of. Apparently, my not "looking the other way" to criminal activities committed by these so-called "good christians" and doing the "right thing" was my undoing.
Now, instead of these adults living up to their responsibilities, they instead took us to court for a harassment restraining order based on this senario of us being pedophile pornographers. (Of course we won this in court with our over-whelming evidence of this being a lie.)
We went to our city hall and councilmembers for help with this problem, trying to keep it a private matter, as we did not want to air their "dirty laundry" in public. (We live in a small town) Instead of help, the city retaliated right along with this problem neighbor and encouraged them to continue their harassment/terrorism and damages to our property.
We tried talking to the problem neighbor in the beginning, but in the end, resorted to letting the police handle it. (Isn't this what good neighbors do, talk to neighbors?)
The police too backed these "good christian" neighbors. Down-playing the indecent exposure acts committed in front of children as a simple "mooning," with a pat on the back by responding officers, even though this was the second time this man had done this in two weeks, more times before this. He should have been arrested and taken to jail for sex related offenses. That's if you consider full frontal nudity as simple "mooning". The property damages were down-played to just a complaint instead of vandalism and theft. All had been witnessed and with pictures to back it up and shown to the chief of police.
Me, being raised a Catholic, who to this day abides by the ten commandments, was flabbergasted to say the least. I have never encountered neighbors who were so malicious and used their religious standing and seniority in the neighborhood to enforce their position. They all witnessed what this one neighbor was doing to us over the years, but chose to back them and perpetuate this lie about us publically. (I also ran, not walked, away from all religion after witnessing the intolerance, violence and dishonesty of these religions. They clearly do not do God's work at all.)
All of these neighbors have lived here before us and therefore think that this senority and their religion somehow gives them special privilages by city hall and police department, and apparently so. I, on the other hand, think that neighbors are neighbors no matter how long they lived in the neighborhood.
I recall that the ten commandments state (#9), "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Apparently, christians do not abide by the ten commandments anymore and obviously think them a mere nuisance!
Mostly what I see the religious right doing is imposing their values and morals on everyone else. The same morals and values they themselves do not abide by.
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Myths will probably always be the refuge for despair, fear, uncertainty and other anxieties whenever people need reassurance.
The problems arise when people fail to control their myths.
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Isn't this just about how the Nazi party came to power? Charismatic leadership for a down-trodden people - preaching to them how everything they go through isn't THEIR fault, and that it's THEIR turn to take control and bring their own values to the forefront in society?
Eventually, everyone gets so whipped up in a frenzy, they become militant. Probably the only reason why it hasn't happened here in the U.S. on a large scale is that we, as a people, are fairly comfortable and lazy - especially those in the suburbs. And the right leader hasn't come along yet...
I seriously wonder what would happen if Pat Robertson or someone of his ilk were to "pull the trigger" and command their followers that, if they truly believe, they should take up arms and free our country from its debauchery and slavery by the secular left. I wonder how many people would organize and start shooting... and how many would walk away.
A site I found on Hitler and Christianity that may or may not be relevant: http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
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