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Ethnic Cleansing in L.A.

By Brentin Mock, SPLC Intelligence Report. Posted January 20, 2007.


Acting on orders from the Mexican Mafia, Latino gang members in Southern California are terrorizing and killing blacks.

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Los Angeles, Calif. -- Ascending the steep steps that lead from the street to the scene of her son's murder, 47-year-old Louisa Prudhomme is charged by a Doberman Pinscher. Prudhomme reaches over a gate and gives the guard dog a rough pat on the head.

"Sam doesn't seem to remember me," she says.

What Prudhomme will never forget is that just past the snarling Doberman is the apartment on a hill where six years ago her 21-year-old son Anthony was shot in the face with a .25-caliber semi-automatic while lying on a futon she had purchased for him from IKEA. He died wearing a shirt that read, "Keep the Peace."

Anthony Prudhomme was slain by members of the Avenues, a Latino street gang. But he was not a rival gang member, or a police informant, or a drug dealer. The Avenues did not target him for the content of his character, or even the contents of his apartment.

They targeted him for the color of his skin.

Prudhomme was murdered because he identified himself as black (he was in fact mixed-race) in a neighborhood occupied by one of the many Latino street gangs in Los Angeles County. Incredibly, even though these gangs are fundamentally criminal enterprises interested mainly in money, gang experts inside and outside the government say that they are now engaged in a campaign of "ethnic cleansing" -- racial terror that is directed solely at African Americans.

"The way I hear these knuckleheads tell it, they don't want their neighborhoods infested with blacks, as if it's an infestation," says respected Los Angeles gang expert Tony Rafael, who interviewed several Latino street gang leaders for an upcoming book on the Mexican Mafia, the dominant Latino gang in Southern California. "It's pure racial animosity that manifests itself in a policy of a major criminal organization."

"There's absolutely no motive absent the color of their skin," adds former Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Michael Camacho. Before he became a judge, in 2003, Camacho successfully prosecuted a Latino gang member for the random shootings of three black men in Pomona, Calif.

"They generally don't like African Americans," Pomona gang unit officer Marcus Perez testified in that case. "If an African American enters their neighborhood, they're likely to be injured or killed."

A comprehensive study of hate crimes in Los Angeles County released by the University of Hawaii in 2000 concluded that while the vast majority of hate crimes nationwide are not committed by members of organized groups, Los Angeles County is a different story. Researchers found that in areas with high concentrations, or "clusters," of hate crimes, the perpetrators were typically members of Latino street gangs who were purposely targeting blacks.

Furthermore, the study found, "There is strong evidence of race-bias hate crimes among gangs in which the major motive is not the defense of territorial boundaries against other gangs, but hatred toward a group defined by racial identification, regardless of any gang-related territorial threat."

Six years later, the racist terror campaign continues.

A pervasive attitude

Anthony Prudhomme presented no threat to the Avenues. Even so, he was murdered two months after he moved into Highland Park, a neighborhood in northeastern Los Angeles that is home to many gang members. "He didn't have anything [to steal]," his mother says. "He had nothing when they broke in. So to shoot him, I'm sure it was a stripe. They get stripes for killing black people."

"Stripes" are a gang-soldier's badges of honor. Latino gang members in Southern California earn them by doing the bidding of their godfathers in the Mexican Mafia, a powerful criminal syndicate based in the California state prison system that controls most Latino street gangs south of Bakersfield.

According to gang experts and law enforcement agents, a longstanding race war between the Mexican Mafia and the Black Guerilla family, a rival African-American prison gang, has generated such intense racial hatred among Mexican Mafia leaders, or shot callers, that they have issued a "green light" on all blacks. A sort of gang-life fatwah, this amounts to a standing authorization for Latino gang members to prove their mettle by terrorizing or even murdering any blacks sighted in a neighborhood claimed by a gang loyal to the Mexican Mafia.

"This attitude is pretty pervasive throughout all the [Latino] gangs," says Tim Brown, a Los Angeles County probation supervisor. "As long as [street] gangs are heavily influenced by the prison gangs, particularly the Mexican Mafia, racism is just part and parcel of why they come into being and why they continue to exist."

Last fall, four members of the Avenues were convicted of federal charges for conspiring to deprive blacks of their civil rights in Highland Park. Three of them were sentenced to life in prison, without the possibility of parole, in late November; a fourth was to be sentenced the following month.

But the problem is far more widespread than a single gang in a single neighborhood.

Random, racially motivated crimes have been committed across the 88 cities of Los Angeles County by the members of Latino gangs, including the Pomona 12 in the city of Pomona, the 18th Street Gang in southwest Los Angeles, the Toonerville gang in northeast L.A., and the Varrio Tortilla Flats in Compton.

In one typical case, three members of the Pomona 12 attacked an African-American teenager, Kareem Williams, in his front yard in 2002. When his uncle, Roy Williams, ran to help his nephew, gang member Richard Diaz told him, "Niggers have no business living in Pomona because this is 12th Street territory." According to witnesses, Diaz then told the other gang members, "Pull out the gun! Shoot the niggers! Shoot the niggers!" No shots were fired.

The violence is not even limited to Los Angeles County. This November, six members of a Latino gang in Carlsbad, Calif., were arrested and charged with hate crimes for allegedly hurling racial slurs at a black teenager -- who police said was not a gang member -- while kicking and punching him. The same month, two members of the Fresno Bulldogs, a Latino gang in Fresno, Calif., were convicted of attempted murder in what police described as the random hate-crime shooting of a 41-year-old black man. According to police, the shooters used racial epithets and told the victim, "We don't like your kind of people on our street."

Ten years of terror

Anti-black violence conducted by Latino gangs in Los Angeles has been ongoing for more than a decade. A 1995 Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) report about Latino gang activity in the Normandale Park neighborhood declared, "This gang has been involved in an ongoing program to eradicate Black citizens from the gang neighborhood." A 1996 LAPD report on gangs in east Los Angeles stated, "Local gangs will attack any Black person that comes into the city."

But while the Latino gangs' racial terror campaign is not new, gang experts and law enforcement authorities say the intensity and frequency of anti-black terrorism is now escalating, as the amount of turf in Los Angeles claimed by Latino gangs continues to increase rapidly. And, as more and more blacks leave inner-city L.A. for safer neighborhoods, those who remain are more vulnerable.

"I don't see much history left for blacks in Los Angeles," says LAPD probation officer James Lewis, who is himself black and deals specifically with Latino gang members in northeast Los Angeles, including the Avenues. "It plays out not just with the gang members, but also the way things are going [for blacks] throughout Los Angeles."

Since 1990, the African-American population of Los Angeles has dropped by half as blacks relocated to suburbs, and Latinos have moved into historically black neighborhoods. Traversing South Central L.A. today, it's obvious that the urban landscape has changed radically since the Bloods-versus-Crips era depicted in movies like Colors, Boyz N The Hood, and Menace II Society. Not only are there vastly fewer black people walking the streets, there are vastly fewer obvious black gang members. Beige skin and baggy khakis have displaced the red and blue bandannas of the Bloods and the Crips.

The LAPD estimates there are now 22,000 Latino gang members in the city of Los Angeles alone. That's not only more than all the Crips and the Bloods; it's more than all black, Asian, and white gang members combined. Almost all of those Latino gang members in L.A. -- let alone those in other California cities -- are loyal to the Mexican Mafia. Most have been thoroughly indoctrinated with the Mexican Mafia's violent racism during stints in prison, where most gangs are racially based.

"When I first started working the gangs, they would be mixed. You could be black and Latino and be in the same gang," says Lewis, the LAPD probation officer. "But when they went to prison, they had to be Latino instead of from the gang, so their enemies became African Americans."

A landmark case

In Highland Park, located just north of downtown and one of oldest settled areas in Los Angeles, there have been at least three racially motivated "green light" murders committed by members of the Avenues since 1999.

Besides Anthony Prudhomme, the victims included Christopher Bowser, a black man who was bullied and sporadically assaulted for years by Avenues members, then gunned down in broad daylight at a bus stop, and Kenneth Kurry Wilson, who didn't even live in the vicinity. Wilson was simply parking his car to drop off his nephew after a late night at a bar when he crossed paths with Avenues gang members riding in a stolen van. According to later court testimony, one of the gang members in the van spotted Wilson and said, "Hey, wanna kill a nigger?" The group opened fire on Wilson, killing him instantly.

The murders of Bowser and Wilson resulted in a groundbreaking criminal case brought by the U.S. Department of Justice, in which Alejandro "Bird" Martínez, Fernando "Sneaky" Cázares, Gilbert "Lucky" Saldana, and Porfirio "Dreamer" Avila were convicted last August of violating federal hate crime laws, and later sentenced to life in federal prison. (Avila was already serving life in prison after being prosecuted by the state of California for his role in the killings, while Saldana was incarcerated for his role in another murder). In the past, federal prosecutors have typically used civil rights violation conspiracy laws against members of white supremacist groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan. The federal case against the Avenues gang marked the first time the Department of Justice used such laws against members of a non-white criminal organization, officials said.

"In a diverse community such as Los Angeles, no one should face race-based threats and acts of violence, such as those committed by [the Avenues]," U.S. Attorney Debra Wong Yang said in a statement released after the verdicts were rendered.

The victims, Yang added, "were killed by the defendants simply because they were African Americans who chose to live in a particular neighborhood." During the trial, federal prosecutors also detailed a series of less-than-lethal hate crimes committed by Avenues members in recent years to establish a pattern of violent racial harassment.

The evidence showed that Avenues members pistol-whipped a black jogger in Highland Park; used a metal club to beat a black man who had stopped to make a call at a pay phone; shot a 15-year-old black youth riding a bicycle; and drew outlines of human bodies in chalk in the driveway of a black family that had moved into the neighborhood.

Prosecutors brought the federal hate-crimes case against the Avenues to send all Latino gangs in Los Angeles County a message that ethnic cleaning will not be tolerated. (Federal prison time is a greater threat to gang leaders than California state prison time, both because there is no parole in the federal system and because the federal government routinely transfers gang leaders to penitentiaries far from home, where they are cut off from the support and protection of their gang.)

"We were concerned about the violation of people's civil rights," U.S. Attorney's Office spokesman Thom Mrozek said. "Being shot at a bus stop just for being black, obviously that should not be taking place." The government's message may have been received, but it's not being obeyed. Shortly after the federal hate crimes trial ended this fall, Avenues member James "Drifter" Campbell, 47, was charged with criminal threats for pointing a gun at a 17-year-old African-American high school student in Highland Park, the second such incident that month.

Mrozek said there are currently no plans to bring more federal hate crimes charges against other Latino gang members, though he acknowledges that similar crimes "are probably still going on."

Lawless avenues

Despite all the highly publicized gang activity, Highland Park is no ghetto. It's a hilly area with beautiful, historic homes, where the painted-lady color schemes on fully restored Queen Anne Victorians compete for attention with the vibrant murals found on nearby food markets. "El Alisal," the famed hand-built, stone home of Charles Lummis, the first city editor of the Los Angeles Times, is tucked just off the Pasadena Freeway, on Avenue 43.

Because Avenue 43 is one of the main roads in Highland Park, "43" is the signifier of the Avenues, also known as "Avenues 43." The gang goes back at least to World War II, when Highland Park was populated with a mixture of European and Latino immigrants. Now, about 75% of Highland Park residents are Latinos. Only 2% are black. The rest are white and Asian.

Highland Park has long had a reputation for gang problems that community boosters argue is undeserved. Their cause wasn't helped in 1986, when one of Highland Park's most famous residents, songwriter Jackson Browne, released the song, "Lawless Avenues," about the neighborhood's multi-generational gang: "Fathers' and sons' lives repeat/And something there turns them/Down those lawless avenues."

Although the Avenues gang goes back a half century, it only fell heavily under the control of the Mexican Mafia in the 1980s, eventually becoming fundamentally racist as a result. (Police point out that, ironically, the Avenues now sling dope for the Mexican Mafia, which the gang's leaders in decades past looked down upon as a "black thing.")

Still, at least some of the relatively few black Highland Park residents who've lived in the area for more than a decade don't report the same level of fear as others. "We love our neighbors. We love living in Highland Park," says Vernita Strange, who moved to Highland Park with her husband Al in the mid-1970s. "We've been treated warmly. We've been here 30 years, and that's all I have to say."

But Angel Brown, an African American, didn't experience that same kind of neighborly love when she and her teenaged son Christopher Bowser moved to Highland Park in 1998, in large part to get away from the black gangs in the Hoover Street area where he grew up. There, he caught a bullet in the leg in a drive-by and was beaten up and harassed by the Hoover Crips, who pressured him to join their set. "He knew early on that [gangbanging] was something he did not want to do," says Brown.

The pair was hoping to leave gang trouble behind, but soon after they relocated to Highland Park the Avenues targeted Bowser. "My son had problems because he's a young black man. The Avenues up there called him 'nigger' and stuff and chased him," Brown says. "He didn't bother nobody out there, all he did was walk around with his radio, singing and rapping. They didn't want him in their territory."

Testifying in the federal hate crimes trial against his former gang brethren, ex-Avenues member Jesse Diaz confirmed the Latino gangbangers were infuriated by the way Bowser bopped down the street, blasting rap music on his boom box.

He acted, Diaz testified, "like it was his neighborhood."

Murderous prejudice

Until Anthony Prudhomme's murderers went on trial, it never dawned on his mother, Louisa, and his stepfather Lavalle, that the killing was racially motivated. "It wasn't until we went to the trial that we really began to understand that [race] was the reason," he says, "which seemed totally, for lack of a better word, stupid."

Since the trial, Louisa has become obsessed with the Avenues gang. She routinely drives Highland Park, looking for signs of the gang, talking to anyone willing to talk. She has homicide detectives, lawyers, and parole officers on her cell phone's speed dial. She's made numerous visits to the site of her son's murder, as well as the spots where Bowser and Wilson were shot down. Believing the gang member who actually pulled the trigger on her son has yet to be brought to justice, she posts reward signs throughout the neighborhood, usually right next to Avenues gang graffiti.

Unlike the mothers of other victims like Bowser and Wilson, Louisa Prudhomme feels relatively safe on streets claimed by the Avenues. That's because she's white. Her son Anthony had long, wavy hair and an auburn complexion. "As he grew up people thought that" he might have been some race other than black, says his stepfather Lavelle. "But you could tell by the way he dressed that he leaned more toward his African-American side."

That preference may well have cost him his life, something that infuriates his mother. "A friend of mine asked me do I hate Mexicans now," says Louisa. "I said, 'I hate murderers.' I am prejudiced ... against murderers."

Driving through Highland Park one afternoon last October, Louisa headed up Avenue 43 toward Montecito Heights Community Center, a known Avenues congregation spot. She pulled up alongside a man loading lawnmowers into a huge shed. The man grabbed the left door, which was decorated with a full-length, spray-painted "4," and joined it with the right door, which was tagged with a matching "3." When the doors were closed, they created the "43" emblem of the Avenues.

Louisa asked the man, who was Latino, if he spoke English. He did, and they chatted for about five minutes about the infamous "Avenues 43" and the tattoos they leave all over the area he landscapes. Louisa walked away from him, laughing, before turning to say, "I hope they get them all. We want to get all of them off the streets."

But with the Mexican Mafia's shadow looming over Los Angeles, it may be a long time before the rapidly growing number of streets claimed by Latino gangs are safe for blacks, if ever.

"It's not just Highland Park. It's almost anywhere in L.A. that you could find yourself in a difficult position [as a black person]," says Lewis, the LAPD probation officer. "All blacks are on green light no matter where."

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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 20, 2007 4:23 AM   
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I don't get the gang thing. The baggy pants, the tatoos, the silly walk. And what's with holding the gun sideways?

Next time they break into a store, they should steal a mirror so they can see how ridiculous they look.

Mexican Mafia? Talk about PC gone wild. Every group wants their own mafia now. Better leave it to the Italians; they know how to take care of business...But don't ever ask them about their business.

Thank you...I'm here all week.

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More thinking needed
Posted by: kbiteye on Jan 20, 2007 4:56 AM   
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I would do some intelligence work in/on the LAPD, CIA, FBI, etc., from a racist view to a racist act most often is the result of some division of government intelligence for the purpose of creating a particular type of situation that solidfies a particular level of power or create a certain type of community destabilization.

Conspiracy yes, because that's what it is -- rise of Klan, White Citizen's Council, John Birch Society, Crack Epidemic, Heroin in the caskets carrying the remains of the fallen from vietnam, we could go on --- at some point either all of us will wake up and step out of this paradigm or we will continue on until we blow up our reality --- and that which caused this existence (and certainly it was not us who initiated our breath) will replace us with some other form of creative existence. You know we (humanity) don't necessarily have to be it -- the cream of the crop, the top of the line, the best that can be done in the realm of creative existence, (even though We create cultures, societies, religions, philosophies, barter/trade/monetary systems, roles, beliefe, etc. that deify US and call at God, etc.) we are not necessarily the cream of the crop and therefore (unless we like the road we are on and the destination we have selected) it would be great if we could participate in mass humility (before it becomes mass humiliation) and change the destination. But then again, perhaps there are more of us who are benefiting than I know and I am just a party spoiler?

peace, if possible (or when possible, is peace possible? which piece of peace, ??).

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Ethnic Cleansing?
Posted by: Davidco on Jan 20, 2007 5:10 AM   
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The gang thing is old news in CA. This article talks about a handful of drive-by's that happened over the course of a decade. Not sure the phenomenon warrants all that Federal thought crimes firepower that the author seems to call for.

I like Mother Prudhomme's attitude which draws a sharp distinction between the murderer of her son and other Latins even gang members.

It surely is a matter of concern that race-based gangs run the CA prison system but that is a failure of local government. If the state were doing its job, proven racist shot-callers of the MM would be in solitary instead of running the joint.

Evocation of the scary demographics on gang involvement in conjunction with thought crimes and ethnic cleansing seems to prepare the way for militarized police actions in immigrant neighborhoods against the 'looming shadow' of terrorism by MM illegal combatants - who, coincidently, are indistinguishable from other Latinos.

Homeland Security money would be better spent addressing the question of what factors create the need for blacks and recent immigrants to gather in gangs for self defense in every American city for the last 150 years.

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Sounds like Israel's Apartheid policies aganinst Arabs
Posted by: mat38 on Jan 20, 2007 5:44 AM   
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And BushCo's Neocon war against Islam. What next? World War?

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Seperation is the only answer
Posted by: Lesha on Jan 20, 2007 6:55 AM   
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Latino which is European culture is laced with an internal hatred towards blacks and has been that way for some time.In countries like Spain,Argentina,Mexico,and El-Salvador these countries have the deepest history of inflecting violence and hatred towards blacks.In Mexico it is still popular to make art depicting blacks in a negative light similar to your Amos and Andy black face type of buffoonery.Even Indians born and raised in Mexico are not looked at as equals not to mention how they treat their small black populace in that country.Even dark skinned Mexicans who posses a higher percentage of Indian blood are discriminated against by lighter skinned Mexicans who have closer ties to Spaniards and their belief system which of-course includes anti-black sentiments.

Mexicans who move to this country carry with them the same values described in the following paragraph therefore it is not unusual hear about the violence that is taking place in certain areas of Los Angeles along with whats going on in jail in relation to the riots being reported from the news agencies.Although drugs and gangs are often affiliated with these reports of black and brown violence,the bigger theme is that race hatred towards blacks is more appropriate for this topic and that some Latinos when given the chance will try to do harm to blacks wither they are affiliated with a gang or if they are regular people going about their business. The incident that took place in Highland Park and Harbor City is nothing new,as matter of fact base on my experience and knowledge of the city places like:San Pedro,Wilmington,Lomita, Pacoima,San Bernidino,San Fernando,Van Nuys,North Hollywood,Canoga Park,Pomona,Azusa and East-LA and many others of the like are places where blacks need to be careful when traveling and living because these are the places where they are more likely to face some type of confrontation with Latinos.

In Los Angeles you have different types of Mexicans that are anti-black,you have the type that are peaceful and hard working but are reserved or non-violent in their dis-like for blacks.But then you have your Neo-Nazi type of Mexican who will when the opportunity arises randomly kill any type of black regardless of where they stand in society.These type of Latinos are supported by the hierarchy of white organized crime syndicates like The Russians,Italians or whoever of these types that control the flow of drugs and guns that make it into the city and into the hands of some of these Mexican gang members with some of the scraps going to blacks gang members.In prison The Mexican Mafia in some cases depending on if various drug deals go sour,often are the protectors of The Aryan Nation which of course is an openly anti-black gang.

According to many surveys,the Majority of Latinos feel they have more in common with whites than any other group.The word Mexican means mix but in some cases especially if they are from places like Guadalajara Mexico they can be considered white.So what the following means is that these anti-black tendencies will definitely show itself sooner or later because of the white blood that flows withen their veins.The Mexican Mafia takes its orders from a hierarchy of whites who are the true controller of the drug trade and in some cases are politician who channel money through fake programs that allow the money to make its way to the Mexican Mafia leaders.This hierarchy can also be any white based mafia type like the Russians or the Italians.

The goal of the hierarchy of whites that control this country is to use Mexicans to cleanse blacks out of the city thus taking the heat off themselves while using Mexicans to do the dirty work and eventually take back the city event it means a race war.

For blacks the only solution to this problem is separation and while it may not realistic now,it will become a forced reality sooner or later.

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"Doing jobs Americans won't do"?
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Jan 20, 2007 7:47 AM   
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Gee, do you think just maybe this problem is exacerbated by out-of-control illegal immigration? Mexico has many good qualities, but attitudes toward blacks within Mexico has never been one of them.

All in synch with Bush's campaign to drag us down to Mexico's level, in everything: wages, crime, environmental degradation, race relations, you name it.

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Are you crazy? This is false
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jan 20, 2007 9:17 AM   
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and only propaganda. Don't you realise that a 'brown person' of any race or ethnicity can commit no crime because they have been oppressed by whites for centuries? (take your pick- it could be colonialism, crusades, taking Aztan from rightful residents, etc.) So this is a false, racist story. Brown people, especially La Raza, who had their land taken from them by force. Viva La Raza!! It is a shame that black people are a possible victim of the rightful reclaimation but black people were brought here by evil whites and refused to leave and so are responsible for their own predictament now. Viva La Raza!!

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What's the big deal?
Posted by: MAD on Jan 20, 2007 9:45 AM   
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So a few blacks are being ethnically cleansed from certain areas of L.A. - what's the problem here? Isn't this in keeping with the general trend of pandering to America's fastest growing ethnic group while tending to ignore one that is seen to be killing itself off in drive-bys, and now, being displaced by a competing(?), ethnic group? I think it's pretty obvious that no one gives a shit about blacks; certainly not politicians anyway. Don't believe me? Take a drive down New Orleans way sometime.

Meanwhile, Alterneters can continue advocating unlimited, illegal immigration as necessary for the *sigh* economic viability of the country while keeping their political correctness intact. They can do so because illegal immigration has nothing to do with this situation, right? You keep telling yourself that while reality marches on . . .

So, continue parroting the same, tired tract about "they're just doing jobs we won't do" and labeling those who disagree with you as racists, xenophobes, etc. Continue ignoring statistics that point to the fact that millions of illegal immigrants are in fact a net drain on the already imperiled economy. Suspend common sense which tells you that workers willing to undercut the pay scale (and to be fair - companies willing to engage illegal employees) are driving down wages overall. And by all means ignore articles like these where you are actually forced to confront the idea that not all illegal immigrants are angels who are simply looking to clean your pool or mow your lawn. But as they are limiting their killing sprees to blacks, I guess we don't need to get too excited about this.

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Re-Gentrification
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 20, 2007 10:03 AM   
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As oil and water become more precious (expensive) the land values of LA's older neighborhoods and close suburbs will drive this problem away. Long term, I'd worry more about the 'Inland Empire' and other places, as they will get the influx as property values drive the gangs from 'their' neighborhoods.

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blacks now, who next?
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 20, 2007 10:21 AM   
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blacks now, who next?

if it's true that mexicans want to reclaim the west for mexico, how long will it be before racially motivated killings affect other racial groups? will it take the slaughter of upper middle class white folks to get these gang bangers under control?

i live in the s.f. bay area where youth gangs -mostly latin (but also black, pacific islander and asian) are killing each other over blocks (turf) and colors in many cities around our metropolis. gang grafitti is everywhere. so many kids WANT to be gangsters.

this is madness. i know teenagers who have killed and i know teenagers who were killed over their gang affiliation.

it's an epidemic that is reaching beyond the inner cities, into the suburbs of all states in the nation.

and we are spending 8 billion dollars a month trying to clean up gang wars in iraq when we can't clean up the gang wars in our own country?

my personal feeling is california will eventually be a place that is not friendly to persons not of mexican or central american decent.

i'm 45 years old and am "from" california.

but as a non-latin woman living in the bay area, i feel my days are numbered.

peaceful, hardworking americans of all races are being driven out of our own communities by violent haters.

it will be a very sad day when the streets are controlled by murder-happy gangs and when peaceful, hardworking people can no longer feel safe in their homeland.

we can put humans on the moon, bomb each other to smithereens from thousands of miles away, clone animals...

and we can't keep the citizens of the USA free from gang violence?

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» RE: blacks now, who next? Posted by: debedb
» RE: blacks now, who next? Posted by: veggiegrrrl
How in the world do you run a gang...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 20, 2007 10:28 AM   
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...from inside a prison?

According to gang experts and law enforcement agents, a longstanding race war between the Mexican Mafia and the Black Guerilla family, a rival African-American prison gang, has generated such intense racial hatred among Mexican Mafia leaders, or shot callers, that they have issued a "green light" on all blacks. A sort of gang-life fatwah, this amounts to a standing authorization for Latino gang members to prove their mettle by terrorizing or even murdering any blacks sighted in a neighborhood claimed by a gang loyal to the Mexican Mafia.

"This attitude is pretty pervasive throughout all the [Latino] gangs," says Tim Brown, a Los Angeles County probation supervisor. "As long as [street] gangs are heavily influenced by the prison gangs, particularly the Mexican Mafia, racism is just part and parcel of why they come into being and why they continue to exist."


Sigh...if putting gangland mobster boss murderers and their murderous footmen in jail doesn't deter them from their murderous ways, then what do you do with such murderers?

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Racism is still racism
Posted by: robchapman on Jan 20, 2007 10:47 AM   
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The story of Mexican gang members killing blacks randomly in Los Angeles is very sad.

Gangbangers always get their stripes in senseless and brutal ways, but to target blacks and especially people who are unarmed, unprepared and inoffensive brings the stripe building process down to a whole new level of brutality and senselessness.

It is ineffably sad that dark skin is a magnet for such hate.

That one's skin tone can make activities like yard work, walking a dog, jogging, or taking a friend home from a social event a dangerous and potentially life threatening activity is unacceptably denigrating to everyone.

The only cure for such corrosive and inhuman hatred is intense self examination, real desire to change and commitment to Providence to seek a state of mind that does not pre-judge people based on a darker or lighter complexion.

Even so, individuals alone cannot save the lives of black people targetted for hate crimes.

The whole community must join together and assert the value of all light and dark skinned, and cooperate with the authorities in apprehending, prosecuting and punishing gang bangers. The dimunition of crime resulting from such efforts can only be a help and a help shared by the whole community.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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And look who's reporting it...
Posted by: brotherjonah on Jan 20, 2007 10:48 AM   
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not the author, I mean his sources...

The LAPD? The people who declared open war on QUOTE"niggers and spicks" END QUOTE in the first place?

The prison officials who encourage racial gangs because it focuses the inmates attention away from the REAL abusers and the REAL organized thugs, the ones in uniform. It keeps the convicts of any color from organizing a strike against their COWARD PIG asses. Pigs Eat Shit.

Targeting people for racial differences is wrong, The triggermen for the loosely organized gangs are wrong.

But the pigs have as much guilt and more because they have been orchestrating this form of "let the minorities eat each other".

Pigs choose to be pigs. They choose the life and the lifestyle, because a uniform and a badge and the anonymity given by them, and the ultimate gang mentality, gives them a sense of power they wouldn't otherwise have in their pathetic weakling lives.
They are every bit as much the Gestapo and the S.A. BrownShirts and the KGB and the Klan, as the pigs who actually wore the uniforms of THOSE agencies.

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Dark consequence of multicultural society
Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 20, 2007 12:47 PM   
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Gangs and gang mentality is what you get when your society becomes more and more a Darwinian struggle for resources between races and ethnicities. We see this now in Europe's cities and it is getting worse by the year.

It is juicing violence rates and leading to a cycle of social disharmony. We need to talk about this and we need to take action or our cities will become like a bad sci-fi novel: dystopic hell-holes where gangs stalk each other and the state stands by as a passive observer.

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Our "terrorists" have tattoos.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 20, 2007 2:04 PM   
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The Bush administration and the news media have spent a lot of time trying to scare Americans with endless reports about terrorism. Terrorism, my ass! In L.A., we share the streets with over 100,000 murderous gang members EVERY DAY. One wrong move, one accidental traffic cut-off, one misunderstood look or gesture can risk being shot or even killed –– EVERY DAY! THAT's terrorism.

What's being done about it? Is there an effort to bring in law enforcement to augment the woefully inadequate LAPD, or even to have our own neighborhood Homeland Security-type, color-coded threat assessment, to assess where we should not be on any given day? Nope. Do we hear endless prattling on talk shows about the gang threat from within? Not a chance. While the rest of the country, much of which having little to actually worry about beyond cats stuck in trees, quivers in their shoes at the POSSIBILITY of maybe a terrorist threat, we in Southern California live with 100,000+ REAL terrorist types in our midst – EVERY DAY! And – the gangs headquartered here are spreading, slowly, into the heartland.

C'mon, America, get a grip and get some perspective. What you SHOULD be worrying about are the threats being grown right here at home, not some b.s. from the Liar In Chief.

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» agree completely Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» Racial Profiling Posted by: Stop bush now
This article is unnecessarily inflammatory!
Posted by: boygranddakar on Jan 20, 2007 5:37 PM   
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Yes, the tension between African Americans and Latinos in Los Angeles is a serious issue that we (as Californians and Angelenos) should pay attention to and work to ameliorate.

But the situation is far more complex than Brentin Mock makes it out to be, and his title, “Ethnic Cleansing,” is dangerously inflammatory and mis-applied.

The tension between blacks and Latinos in L.A. has everything to do with economic pressures, pressures created by decades of economic policies that enrich the wealthy at the cost of the working class and working poor. You would have to go all the way back to Reaganomics and the gutting of FDR’s policies. The result is that union jobs in L.A. (and other cities across the U.S.) have declined, putting many African Americans out of work. They now compete with Latinos for service jobs at less pay and with no benefits.

The kids who become gang members in Latino gangs may have been born in the U.S., but their parents are immigrants who come from rural places in Mexico, El Salvador, etc., who have never met blacks until they arrived in this country. Their ideas of blacks derive from racist constructions of color hierarchy that date back to Spanish colonization, plus from junky movies from the 1970s that inevitably cast blacks only as criminals. These attitudes persist when they arrive here, and they pass them on to their children.

And the result, what we see replayed in media images, is hegemony at work: people towards the economic bottom killing each other and fighting with each other, leaving the powers that put them in that situation in the first place completely unscathed. The middle- and upper-classes tut-tut at such “animalistic” behavior and hold themselves blameless, claiming no responsibility.

SHAME ON YOU, ALTERNET, for not demanding a more thoughtful, in-depth article from Brentin Mock. If you want to be taken seriously as a news source, you must be more exacting than this. This subject is important, but the author trivializes it by offering only sensationalism, not analysis.

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» AN a safe space? Not sure about that. Posted by: boygranddakar
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Pansy Posters
Posted by: gellero on Jan 20, 2007 5:59 PM   
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Funny how none of the AlterNet posters questions how much of the hispanic crime problem is caused by those poor, suffering 'immigrants' ( AKA ILLEGAL ALIENS ). And of course, the policies of the middle and upper classes and government made these poor oppressed folks murder.............sheesh..........
check this out

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» Pansy nazis you mean Posted by: brotherjonah
» Preach it Brother! Posted by: lessbread
the underlying issues
Posted by: gazelle on Jan 20, 2007 6:03 PM   
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I'm a former teacher. I taught ESL in an urban middle school and then high school. The middle school fed into the high school. We had serious problems with gangs in both schools. I watched the metamorphosis of many of my students from young people trying to be successful, or at least get by in their schools, to young people trying to be successful in their gangs. What happened? Why is this so common with our youth living in urban cities? I think those questions are so important. It may be easier to label gang members as bad or evil and just wish they could be washed away like some stain. However, they did not start out that way. While some current gang members do come from families with histories of gang membership, most do not. Most become involved as youth. Why?

I can think of many possible reasons, however, my point is not to answer these questions. I know it is important that I consider these questions, investigate them for myself and then see what I can do in my own neighborhood and community to ensure our youth do not end up in a situation where they join a gang, whatever the reason.

If you are looking for a place to start, I recently read a book titled, Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria? by Beverly Daniel-Tatum, PhD. In this book, the author outlines many fundamental concepts about race and racial identity that helped me understand more about how to be part of the solution in a country that still has deep race-related problems.

I choose to accept responsibility for what is happening in my country, in my community. I choose to be part of the solution. I choose. I act.

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They got it all wrong
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Jan 21, 2007 12:21 AM   
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A lot of Blacks don't seem to do well in the thinking department.

These concepts are obvious to most people, but some just don't get it.

- If you build your house in a tropical area prone to massive hurricanes, its going to get destroyed, eventually.

- If you can barely provide for yourself, don't have kids

- If you walk around looking like a violent criminal, don't be surprised when you get treated like one

- If the country your in is oppressing you, immigrate somewhere else!

I know lots of Americans who moved to Europe or Canada because they didn't like the new policies of the guv'ment.

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You got punkd by the LAPD
Posted by: Deport The Minutemen on Jan 21, 2007 1:17 AM   
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You know -the people who gunned down Biggie Smalls beat minorities (including minors) and target brown people on a daily basis. Hell they even hustled for Suge Knight.
Yeah -that LAPD, stupid.

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» You don't get it do you? Posted by: Deport The Minutemen
Good for AlterNet
Posted by: dbowlus on Jan 21, 2007 8:04 AM   
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Dear old AlterNet is still pumping out propaganda. This is a piece without empirical foundation. The actions described are typical BLACK OPS - no pun intended. It is sure nice to know AlterNet is so deeply imbedded. What a pile.

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» RE: Good for AlterNet Posted by: LJAllen
Between the rock (evangelical religions) and a hard place (gang recruiters)
Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 21, 2007 10:56 AM   
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When you've seen one gang ("come and be like us or go to hell") you've seen them all.

Perhaps people can begin to understand why the writers of our Constitution promoted individualism.

They had all emmigrated from Europe (or descended from families less than a generation or two away from there). The memories of exactly the kind of group-enforced conformity behind racism and religious prejudice were fresh memories.

It is ironic that today, as the US tries to save the world from itself, we cannot even save our own cities.

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Just In from AP--New Crackdown
Posted by: LJAllen on Jan 21, 2007 4:35 PM   
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Two Black girls killed in L.A. by gangs. Read latest (1-21-07). Visit Associated Press.com
and click on (or search for) With Kids Dead, L.A. Vows Gang Crackdown.

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Not Just in LA
Posted by: macdon1 on Jan 21, 2007 5:37 PM   
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Racism against blacks is extreme to the level of being fatal in LA but it is also massively pervasive in most of California. We are from the East Coast and have an adult light skinned daughter who is mixed black/white. She has been attacked, called the N word more times than she can count and can't travel around Northern California alone without a huge dog and a loaded rifle next to her. People have tried to run her off the road countless times. If it isn't the Mexicans, then it is the White Supremicists. If she tries to get service somewhere that it mostly staffed by Mexicans, she is ignored or treated rudely. What the H... is going on on this country? I guess Sarte was right...in a nation that worships war and violence in the end it is the war of each against the other.

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Why This New Level Of Racial Violence
Posted by: malcolmartin on Jan 21, 2007 5:49 PM   
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Capitalism’s contradictory impulses have begun bumping into each other. It’s happening in the national debate on immigration and it happened in the recent Dubai Ports World controversy. Profits are the system’s lifeblood so the ruling class craves an immigrant guest worker program and the United Arab Emirates’ petrodollars but the rabid anti-immigrant and anti-Arab sentiment coursing through U.S. society has so far blocked their designs. Racism and xenophobia and every other tactic of division have been the guarded carefully by capitalism with good reason and they will sharpen as the system nears an untenable state. Unity of the working class is the only potentially deadly threat to this system. White supremacy, Black Nationalism, religious fundamentalism, sexism, homophobia, and all the crackpot schemes and the nihilistic cults of the bourgeoisie, like al-Qaeda, are dead ends for all of us who work.

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» Stop spreading your crap Posted by: lessbread
Alternet is creeping me out
Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Jan 21, 2007 6:58 PM   
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I had no idea that there were so many racists on this site! Dude, can you PLEASE take it back to Freeperville?!!?

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Anthony Prudhomme
Posted by: blanca on Jan 21, 2007 8:32 PM   
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Anthony Prudhomme was slain by members of the Avenues, a Latino street gang. But he was not a rival gang member, or a police informant, or a drug dealer. The Avenues did not target him for the content of his character, or even the contents of his apartment.

They targeted him for the color of his skin.

Prudhomme was murdered because he identified himself as black (he was in fact mixed-race) in a neighborhood occupied by one of the many Latino street gangs in Los Angeles County.


It was obviously not the color of this skin. Mexicans are often very dark-skinned. Anthony didn't look "black" but he made the mistake (as many mulattoes do) of identifying as "black" even though his mother is white.

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» RE: Anthony Prudhomme Posted by: LJAllen
The next time I see a Mexican I'm calling 911
Posted by: Deport The Minutemen on Jan 21, 2007 10:51 PM   
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and raising the bar to red.

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[LAPD Crackdown]
Posted by: Deport The Minutemen on Jan 21, 2007 10:57 PM   
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Gun-toting racists are the real threat- pass it on.

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» KooKooKittle lives Posted by: Deport The Minutemen
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» Answer the question Kittle Posted by: FascismIsUnpatriotic
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» --Stupid White Men-- Posted by: FascismIsUnpatriotic
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escape from la
Posted by: insulaparadigm on Jan 21, 2007 11:14 PM   
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very much modern warfare - targeting civilians. So cowardly too.
shows how well our criminal justice system is working if this is an extension of a war started among gangs in prison based on racial group. Probably fueled by drug profits thanks to the drug war. in group / out group nazi mindset can take hold of anybody especially if already in pack mentality of gangs.

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The real Goal of Aztan (Quoted from the Alex Jones Show)
Posted by: Lesha on Jan 22, 2007 5:15 PM   
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Aztlan's goal, known as La reconquista, is to cede and take over the entirety of the southern and western states by any means necessary and impose a Communist militant dictatorship. President Bush's blanket amnesty program goes a long way to helping the extremists achieve their aim.

Despite the fact that the majority of documented hispanics oppose illegal immigration, as do the majority of Americans, Aztlan and La Raca race hate groups have become the self-appointed voice for a separatist movement that threatens a violent overthrow of the Constitutional system and a barbaric program of ethnic cleansing. This is held up by the media as 'diversity' and to vociferously oppose it is scorned as racism.

Aztlan and Mecha groups advocate killing all whites and blacks and driving them out of the southern states by means of brutal ethnic cleansing. Flags and placards carried at marches depict white people having their heads cut off, as seen in the picture below.

Those that protest such groups are then attacked by the establishment media and labeled as racists, despite the fact that the Plan of San Diego, a rallying cry for the hispanic Klan groups, advocates total eradication of any race but hispanics.

Mecha's own slogan reads, "For the race everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

TV stations owned by rich white industrialists erect giant billboards in Los Angeles claiming the city belongs to Mexico, as seen below.

Mainstream hispanics who love America abhor the virulent racism that the Mexican klan groups embrace.

And who bankrolls these pocket radicals? Billionaire tax-exempt foundations and NGO's owned by white men. Organizations like the Ford Foundation, groups who are zealous in their quest to eliminate the middle class and destroy America, turning it into a cashless society, compact city, surveillance control grid where only two tiers of society exist - the elite and the poor slaves.

During the May immigration protests, The Aztlanwebsite carried the following statement.

"If the racist "Sensenbrenner Legislation" passes the US Senate, there is no doubt that a massive civil disobedience movement will emerge. Eventually labor union power can merge with the immigrant civil rights and "Immigrant Sanctuary" movements to enable us to either form a new political party or to do heavy duty reforming of the existing Democratic Party. The next and final steps would follow and that is to elect our own governors of all the states within Aztlan."

Here is the open call for violent separatism and the overthrow of existing state government structures.

During the immigration demonstrations, which were orchestrated by Rob Allyn of Rob Allyn & Co. who is closely tied with George W. Bush, alarming reports of illegals carrying out violent beatings began to surface. In Santa Ana California, illegal aliens swarmed around in mobs invading schools, carrying out violent beatings and in one incident a county worker had a Mexican flag plunged into his chest.

The violent protests that began on May 1 last year were characterized by throngs marching under Mexican flags, many of which were illegal aliens, as a "day without gringos."

Imagine what the reaction would be if white middle class Americans marched in their millions and called the event "a day without blacks."

The media continues to run defense for a violent militant movement that seeks nothing less than the eradication of blacks and whites through ethnic cleansing and the takeover of the southern and western states. This is a separatist junta that has over 30,000 ruthless gang members at its disposal once the call for mobilization is heard, along with millions of illegal aliens pouring across the border.

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» Ugly Fear Mongering Posted by: lessbread
» You're not amusing... Posted by: lessbread
THE COMING "NORTH AMERICAN UNION"
Posted by: diamondman007 on Jan 22, 2007 6:51 PM   
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You think you have trouble now? What will happen when the "North American Union", is created by 2010? A borderless Canada,USA and Mexico union with no control of how many Mexicans come north? Go to www.ssp.gov and read for yourself what the global elite are quitely preparing through the Council On Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.

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Time for one last White Man uprising!
Posted by: A Proud Neo-Nazi on Jan 22, 2007 8:45 PM   
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We've been saying this for so long, niggers, illegal immigerants, asians, moslems, and jews are trying to take over this country. And what is the white man doing? NOTHING!!! These people have come to this great country and exploited it to the point where it bankrupt and drug ridden. The time will come where people will praise Hitler's so called "racist" policies and wish they imposed on these people, an uprising and a civil war will happen, just watch.

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» Fascist Pig-Dog! Go to hell! Posted by: lessbread
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It a bidness
Posted by: Itabidness on Jan 23, 2007 2:44 AM   
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I'm sick and tired of it. You're all talkin' bout race this, race that.

Aren't you forgetting something?

JAIL!!!!!

Where did the Mexican gangmembers become racist?

JAIL!!!

Where they met the Mafia.

Jail is big business. Wackenhut and Corrections Corporation of America and Pinkerton. That's who you should be looking at.

Jails are schools for racist indoctrination--no matter what color you are. And big corporations are making a killing of a profit---Or is it a prophet?

Of doom

Doom to be race wars on America's streets as they churn out people through the system and become haters in this Hatrix.

Jail. Don't forget the Jail part of the equation. The issue is NOT immigration. The guys with the cowboy hats, newly arrived from Mexico, working in the fields--These are not the ones attacking Blacks. No. it's the boys comin' out of the prisons.

Yet you want to keep passing more laws and lock up more people away.

Instead of talking about where this group or that group came from...

Instead, you should be talking about how they want to lock up parents in Calif when their kids play hookie from school. Things like that. passing more laws so that they can lock up more people and so that Wackenhut can make a bigger buck.

Prison is a gigantic slave ship made of concrete that don't move.

Prison is big business, and as long as it is big business, they're going to lock up more people because there's an economic incentive to do so. Just like slave shipping in the 19th century.

It a bidness, this whole JAIL thang.

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» RE: It a bidness Posted by: TashaTchin
The "reason" seems irrelevant right now, they are still terrorists
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 23, 2007 6:54 AM   
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The "reason" seems irrelevant right now, they are still terrorists. Whether gangs are caused by prisons, white supremacy, underemployment, colonialism, yadda ya DOESN'T MATTER MUCH when you have tens of thousands of violent sociopaths walking the streets shooting others over colors or turf.

They ARE urban terrorists no matter how they became this.

They are for the most part, teens and adults, who have made a CHOICE to be murderous thugs.

Let's not "pity" them or justify their violence because of societal ills that created them.

THEY CHOOSE.

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Cut the phone lines
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Jan 23, 2007 11:52 AM   
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If the Latino youth gangs are directed by the Mexican Mafia, perhaps California should transfer all gang members, certainly all the leaders, to Supermax-style prisons. If they have no contact with anyone from their gang, the communication lines will be cut and the Mexican Mafia will (we can hope) lose control of the younger gangs. If California prisons were transformed into Supermax prisons, they could more easily control the dangerous criminals and offer weaker, younger prisoners some protection from the predators who run the prisons now.

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Divide and Conquer
Posted by: MJ Fields on Jan 23, 2007 1:49 PM   
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It would be brilliant if it wasn't so diabolical. Two disenfranchised ethnic minorities--blacks and Latinos--go into prison as gang brothers only to come out as sworn enemies. Who's genius idea was it to brainwash these two groups that should be allied with each other in this country into hating each other ? How do they do it and who benefits from it? Blacks are leaving LA and Latinos are segregating themselves in the neighborhoods they terrorize. Good going, gangbangers! Do you realize that The Man has you doing his bidding for him? Think he cares if you wipe each other out? I think it's referred to as 'thinning the herd'.

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Half Agree
Posted by: LJAllen on Jan 23, 2007 2:36 PM   
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You are correct when you state that prisons help
foster more violent behavior than not. But as
a Black American, the reference to prison being
like a big slave ship is a bit of a stretch. There
are many reasons for folks (including too many
of my own) to become criminals.

Yet the sad reality is these Mexican killers fully
understand that Black Americans have historically
been less valued than Whites. They're not crazy--
they know if they targeted Whites in an L. A. surburb,
all of this murderous madness would be over by now.
You can call it whatever you like, but their position is
racist to the core.

And unlike the Africans who were captured, branded,
and transported in the tight, airless, and lightless hulls
of slave ships in order to work for no pay for centuries
in the New World, these murderers warrant no sympathy.

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» RE: Half Agree Posted by: Itabidness
» RE: Half Agree Posted by: purplelotus13
I'm not talking about violent offenders. You missed the point
Posted by: Itabidness on Jan 23, 2007 4:41 PM   
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I half agree with you. this is the part I agree: Yes, murderors, rapists, and violent people should be in prison. I have no problem with that. that is not the issue I am contending.

What I am arguing against is the drive, the push, if you will, on the part of mainstream media to want to lock up more and more people for trivial crimes. Like non-violent crimes. Like they want to lock up parents--working parents, mind you, who'se children play hookie from school.

What I'm disagreeing with is the financial incentive on the part of prison corporations to lock more people up driving the media arms to push in propaganda to lock up greater and greater segments of society for more trivial offenses.

did you know that a 4 year-old kid was going to be prosecuted for brushing his cheek up against a teacher's aide? They said it was an "inappropriate" sexual way. No kidding. well they dropped the charges. But a 4-year old kid! How's he supposed to know what sex is, let alone engage in it in an "inappropriate matter?"

My point is the conditioning of society, from an early age, that it is normal to get into the criminal justice system, at an early age. Once they get into the system, a certain percentage of them get trained to be terrorists, gangbangers, and killers.

We've got to cut it off at the root.

All prisons should be publicly-owned. ALL. And prisons should only be reserved for violent offenders.

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Protocols of the Elders of Zion
Posted by: armanvamp on Jan 23, 2007 11:28 PM   
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Everyone, just read this old manifesto and see how we are all being led like lambs to the slaughter by those in power. The masses need to unite and throw these bums out of office. Oh shit, I hope Homeland Security (Gestapo) did'nt read this.

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» Fascist Pig-Dog! Go to hell! Posted by: lessbread
» RE: Protocols of the Elders of Zion Posted by: purplelotus13
Towards a New Segregation
Posted by: Itabidness on Jan 23, 2007 11:54 PM   
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I have a possible solution to the problem of race indoctrination in prison.

A new type of segregation, based on number rather than color.

What you do is you break up people into groups of fifteen or sixteen, and you don't allow any interaction between these groups and the other groups.

Within each group of fifteen or sixteen, you INTEGRATE them equally:
4 Whites
4 Blacks
4 Latinos
and
4 Asians

In cases where there aren't enough Asians or Whites or Blacks, then you integrate whatever you have, like 7 Blacks and 8 Whites, or 8 Latinos and 8 Blacks and so on.

The point is to disallow large numbers of a single ethnicity congregating in prison, to discourage the tribal mindset. You also make sure that ordinary Mexicans don't associate with the Mafia.

Then, you do psychological training and focus groups. With guards present, you force the group to talk to each other in counselling sessions. You make them write essays about racism. You dis-allow any type of gang symbolism or association.

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» RE: Towards a New Segregation Posted by: grailsnail
ESSAYS ???
Posted by: gellero on Jan 24, 2007 6:08 PM   
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When you run for office or apply for a government grant you can propose something like that, dude. But these are the type of people that kill your 7-11 clerk for shits and giggles. Hang in the hood sometime and see how they treat you. write an essay about it on AlterNet

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» I lived in the hood Posted by: Itabidness
» Minuteman Mayor strikes again Posted by: Deport The Minutemen
Craiglist rants and raves...I found this opinion....
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 24, 2007 8:27 PM   
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Graffitti Tagging Hip Hop Gangs Etc (ingleside / SFSU / CCSF)
Reply to: .......craigslist.org
Date: 2007-01-24, 7:52AM PST


Time to start shooting these people. The entire movement is culturally irrelevant and a HUGE pain in everyones ass. We are all sick and tired of seeing these little sagging pants, foul mouthed thugs with their sense of entitlement and bad attitude.

I catch anyone tagging on my house or fence I will break bones and then call the cops. Trust me the cops wil believe me over the gangster trash.

If you are one of these thugs with the ECKO or SouthPole clothes falling of their ass please know that you are hated and if I had the opportunity to hurt you I WOULD. Trust me at 6'1 and 230lbs of muscle I would beat your frail beltless ass to a bloody lifeless pulp and get ALOT of satisfaction.

Nothing beats the satisfaction of feeling some hip hop thugs cartilage or bones disintegrate to dust under my fist or foot.

People are sick of the gangster trash !!

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» I think he meant to say: Posted by: Stop bush now
» RE: Rants and raves Posted by: Stop bush now
My fatwa against the Media
Posted by: undercover on Jan 26, 2007 7:59 PM   
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Can we PLEASE stop using the word fatwa every time somebody wants somebody else dead? Its like those Iranian clerics invented the concept of the death threat when they went after Salman Rushdie. This article is not about Muslims, nor does it mention anyone affiliated with the religion, yet somehow the author has managed to work in the old "Muslims love to kill each other" stereotype.

I hereby issue a fatwa condemning the use of the word "fatwa" by anyone who doesn't look it up in the dictionary first.

fat·wa (fät'wä') n. A legal opinion or ruling issued by an Islamic scholar.

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THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!
Posted by: Itabidness on Jan 27, 2007 3:10 AM   
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Putting people in prison for NOTHING!!! This is what I've been talking about,

About prison corporations having an incentive to put more and more people away, for either trivial offenses or even non-offenses. Instead of using our resources to fight REAL crime, like what is happening with Avenues.

Check out this article. It's about a 17 year old getting 10 years in prison for having consensual sex with a fifteen year old!


http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20070110.html

"Based on the evidence - which included a videotape of the crime while in progress - the conduct for which Wilson now spends his days behind bars was consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old girl when he, Wilson, was himself only 17 years old. "

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Investigate the LAPD
Posted by: FascismIsUnpatriotic on Jan 27, 2007 8:25 PM   
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If LAPD officer, Mark Nguyen falsified a print job,forged a CCIR letterhead, and mailed 14,000 racist letters to the hispanic community (under a fake name), what other documents/ evidence have they falsified?

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Cheryl Green
Posted by: Itabidness on Jan 29, 2007 4:52 AM   
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“She was starting to plan her little life already at 14 years old,” said her cousin Rachel Riles.

Relatives described Cheryl as a “bubbly” girl devoted to her mother and her friends, and who dreamed of becoming a doctor. "

OK. This is where my sympathies vaoprize. This is where I forget all about the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo that you love to bitch about so much, MM, Avenues, 204 st. etc. You just killed a little Black girl.

You need to be rounded up and deported. Anybody who has a membership in a gang that pledges to kill Black girls. About me: I date Black women, and I love Black women.

Whatever grievances you have about Anglo history, you have lost all rights to complain, if you're associated with Avenues or 204. You have murdered a Black girl. So that's it. I listened to you, I accepted Aztlan, but no more. I am even thinking of joining the Minutemen on account of people like you.

This is OUR Country! Go Home!

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Peace seeker
Posted by: joys on Jan 29, 2007 5:04 AM   
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The article testifies how society negates the value of race.
I believe after reading this article the new sandwich generation is the African American. Sandwiched in between the thought of whiteness and the anger of the Latino. How sad is it that society perpeturates this behavior.

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Mayor Villaraigosa Truth
Posted by: angelofdeath on Feb 15, 2007 5:14 PM   
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mayor Villaraigosa truth

Mayor Villaraigosa connected to La Raza, Mexican Muslim jihad radicals and Mexican mafia drug trade/human smuggling in Los Angeles

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