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Who Would Jesus Deport?

By Alexander Zaitchik, Intelligence Report. Posted January 29, 2007.


A grassroots movement is forming in which anti-immigrant rhetoric dovetails with the odes to God and country that have long constituted conservative evangelical boilerplate.

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When Joan Maruskin took the podium last April at a Family Research Council (FRC) immigration conference in Washington, D.C., it was hard not to think of Daniel in the lion's den: The liberal director of the Church World Service Immigration Program was addressing an audience convened by a major force on the Christian religious right. It was not her crowd.

It turned out that the Book of Daniel was among the few books of the Bible that Maruskin didn't quote. While making the Christian case for amnesty, she demonstrated that the Old and New Testaments are chock-full of soundbyte-ready advocacy for the "stranger." All told, she counts more than 300 scriptural admonishments to mercy toward immigrants.

"The Bible is an immigration handbook," Maruskin told the FRC audience. "'Cursed be the person who oppresses the alien.' Can we forget that Christ himself was a migrant and a refugee, born in a stable? Under our laws, Mary, Joseph and Jesus would be sent to three different prisons."

A powerful image, but Maruskin's position is far from dominant on the religious right. In a FRC member poll conducted last spring, 90% of respondents chose forced deportation as the appropriate fate for America's estimated 11 million-12 million undocumented immigrants. This response aligns the FRC base with fire-breathing hard-liners like U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), the evangelical co-sponsor of an immigration reform bill notable for its criminalization of those who "aid and abet" illegal immigrants, something many religious leaders and laymen see as a Christian duty.

So it wasn't surprising that Maruskin's social-gospel message received a tepid response from the FRC audience. Heartier applause greeted the conservative Catholic journalist John O'Sullivan, who followed Maruskin to the podium and scoffed at her liberal "proof-texting" of Scripture. Arguing that such selective quotation did not "contribute to the debate," he tried to debunk the argument for amnesty and dismissed Maruskin and her ilk as "moral bullies."

"The fact is," said O'Sullivan, "most Christians are more hard-line when it comes to immigration than their Church leaders. Are all of these people going to hell?"

A better question might be: When did immigration assume a place next to abortion and traditional marriage as a "family" issue for the religious right? And is this new and highly charged issue a threat to that movement's much-vaunted "culture war"? Or is it a legitimate part of it?

The 'definitive divide'?

The ascendance of immigration as a burning issue on the religious right has been swift. Conservative commentators and politicians have both fueled and responded to a grassroots movement in which anti-immigrant rhetoric dovetails with the odes to God and country that have long constituted conservative evangelical boilerplate. Hard-right evangelical politicians like Tancredo have built national constituencies by blending anti-immigrant rhetoric into broadsides against secular liberals and Islamist radicals.

After languishing for years in smaller Christian nationalist groups like Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum, the immigration issue has now landed squarely on the agenda of larger religious right groups with political clout. Tony Perkins, president of the influential FRC, signaled this shift while opening last April's immigration conference. "At question today is, do we have an immigration policy that is serving to strengthen the cultural fabric of our nation, which has a great influence on the family?" he asked. "The answer is no. We must get this right."

Getting it right will not and has not been easy for the religious right, any more than it has been for the country as a whole. Unlike abortion, the immigration issue has sharply divided the movement's leaders and political allies. Fierce "pro-family" culture warriors stand on both sides of the debate, with religious right advocates in Washington backing two radically different visions of immigration reform as symbolized by the House and Senate immigration bills unveiled last winter.

A unified evangelical position could do much to determine the shape of immigration reform, which was to be taken up again by Congress after the midterm elections in November. How the religious right tilts or fractures over the issue also holds stakes for the movement itself. A deep rift or further right turns could jeopardize the religious right's political coherence as well as its potentially natural alliance with America's growing and culturally conservative Latino and predominantly Catholic population.

Already, there are signs of a split. According to the Pew Research Center, 63% of white evangelicals view immigrants as a "threat to U.S. customs and values," compared to 48% of the population as a whole. (Only 39% of secular respondents held negative views of immigrants.) Though the two most influential Christian Right groups -- James Dobson's Focus on the Family and its spawn the Family Research Council -- have avoided taking an official position on the issue, their mostly white flock has already tacked hard right.


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Liberals are bungling immigration issue
Posted by: Moonray on Jan 29, 2007 1:28 AM   
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Religion is merely tribalism dressed up in fancy robes, so it's not suprising that most of those dancing around the campfire want to boot out the foreign devils. However, that doesn't mean they are wrong on the immigration issue.

It's just a sad truth that illegal immigrants have overrun our country and causing enormous upheaval in our communities. Instead of recognizing this truth and responding honestly to it, liberals engage in all sorts of political gymnastics to avoid appearing unkind. But that doesn't make them correct on the issue. Liberal leaders mostly want to avoid alienating all those potential Democratic voters. That's why progressives could lose many races in '08 on the immigration issue.

Progressives need to get tougher on illegals, including favoring deportation of those here for only a few years. The law is the law, after all. (And please don't whine that "No one is illegal." You can't simply ignore our laws when it suits you to do so.)

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» Katrina, Katrina, Katrina Posted by: mirimac
» Liberal bungling? Posted by: Joshua Holland
Values and rights have no meaning if you can't draw a line
Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 29, 2007 3:11 AM   
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Everything that most people take for granted - legal rights, freedoms, prosperity - are a consequence of having a border. You identify and protect your rights by saying what you will or will not support. Mass illegal migration undermines these rights. To pretend there is no difference between the US and Mexico - a near-police state rife with corruption - is disingeneous.

Democrats and progressives are making a huge mistake by not standing up for an end to illegal migration. What they are allowing is anarchy, and in a state of anarachy all laws are disobeyed. That means laws that protect women, children, workers -all are eroded and undermined. That is what illegal migration does.

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My opinion
Posted by: Temporary on Jan 29, 2007 4:27 AM   
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I remember Jesus saying;"those who live by the sword also die by the sword" America has being doing that for a long, very long time! New slawes, another war, it's only a matter of time!

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Cross-Purposes
Posted by: Russ Wellen on Jan 29, 2007 4:31 AM   
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Once again, the religious right is working at cross-purposes with itself. By viewing Mexicans as "too irrational, too violent, too passionate" (thought that went out with Ricky Ricardo), they're totally missing out on how family-oriented they are. Besides, aside from gangs, most, especially illegals, keep a low profile in America.

Also, I don't have statistics to back this up, but I've read there's a growing trend of Hispanics and Latinos shifting from Catholicism to the evangelical movement. Anti-immigration evangelicals are alienating those who could add (God forbid) exponentially to their growth!

Wonderfully comprehensive overview of the subject by the author.

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Poor Show Alternet!!
Posted by: MAD on Jan 29, 2007 5:07 AM   
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Keep the religion out of it. This has nothing to do with god, unless of course you're talking about God Money. There are plenty of sound financial reasons to overhaul the US's "wide open" border policy without invoking dangerous right-wing race/religious paranoia. For me, depriving corporate America of its illegal worker gravy train is reason enough.

You're really not fooling anyone with this thinly veiled attempt at painting those who don't agree with the Alternet Guest Worker Program, i.e. Stay, Play and Drive Down Wages campaign, as haters or lunatics. You've tried your hand at portraying us as racists; that didn't work. Your rhetoric doesn't change the fact that millions of illegal immigrants are a NET DRAIN on the economy and lower employment prospects for less affluent blacks. Oh, and a very small segment of Latinos in CA have apparently started using them [blacks] as target practice in their own "Negros Fuera!!" urban renewal campaign.

So you thought you'd run a "Good 'ol Boys meets Ted Haggard" fringe group piece as if to say: "No one opposes illegal immigration except right-wing kooks and racists". Poor show Alternet. It's interesting that you found time to address this small, "grassroots" movement comprised of Jesus Freaks but sane, logical and rational arguments are never explored. Gee, I wonder why that is?

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» RE: Poor Show Alternet!! Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: Poor Show Alternet!! Posted by: MartianBachelor
Out of the closet racism
Posted by: jefhadist on Jan 29, 2007 5:21 AM   
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"and lower employment prospects for less affluent blacks." Oh, and a very small segment of Latinos in CA have apparently started using "them" [blacks] as target practice in their own "Negros Fuera!!" urban renewal campaign."

Sounds suspiciously like closet racism to me? In fact, much of this debate is finally drawing all the wingnut, zenophobic, lowlife paranoids out into the light of day. Oh, by the way. What country did YOU come from? Love it or leave it....right? What a sorry excuse for a "free" democracy we have become in the U.S. It's downright embarassing sometimes.

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» RE: Mindless PC Parrot . . . Posted by: jefhadist
» RE: Out of the closet racism Posted by: Doubtom
Central American child abandonment from lure of US wages, lifestyle
Posted by: plantland on Jan 29, 2007 5:49 AM   
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According to a recent ex ambassador to El Salvador interviewed on a disturbing PBS' Point of View segment on ganglife in El Salvador, high numbers of children there join gangs to get a family structure denied them when their parents, particularly young mothers, leave for the US. The show was the most disturbing I have ever seen. Boys as young as nine or ten get inducted by being kicked in the head. They are looking for discipline. These children need their parents back.

Deportation programs, however, do not address the need for psychological counseling necessitated by the children's longing for and anger at their parents. Nor is there any follow-up to see whether they can support themselves. The El Salvadoran government would rather have its citizens work in the US and send remittances than plan programs to support the reuniting of families.

The amnesty programs Congress will pass will allow for minor children to join their parents in the US. But no one was honest about the incredible demands bringing a large number of violent alienated children who do not speak the language,( and whose parents must work long hours outside the home to support them at US prices for food and housing), will place on schools and neighborhoods. If they live in dilapidated conditions, they will be trying to learn in a foreign language while being at risk of lead poisoning. There is certain to be an increase in gang activity, which will especially impact on African American schools and communities. Amnesty programs of course will draw more teenage mothers to America, instigating a new cycle of abandonment .

I think that we in the US owe Central America for the shenanigans of the Twentieth Century, but that the best way to keep families whole is a Good Neighbor Policy which would help entire schools, communities, and pay for mental health care (in Spanish at far less expensive rates than in the US), and indemnify small businesses who could employ more workers, but who have been threatened by the very gangs which partially mushroomed because America winked or patted itself on the back for tolerating illegal immigration. Meanwhile, the US should pay for social services for deportees, and seek the cooperation of Cental American governments.

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am i just stupid or
Posted by: aislinnluv on Jan 29, 2007 6:02 AM   
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is there any good reason that our government (and others who should care) won't refuse to deal with mexico and other countries south of the border unless they themselves do something to improve the plight of their own people? why can't we demand that mexico, et al, try to make life better for their own citizens? i can't believe there is no money there to work with. they have enough to bribe officials, enough drug money to fund afflulent lifestyles for gangsters. thye are letting their own future dribble (or flow) out of their country and become the future of ours. for shame.

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Let's not forget
Posted by: daw13 on Jan 29, 2007 6:39 AM   
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how illegal immigration began. US agribusiness wanted non-citizen, low wage workers who would not be ablet to organize and pursue their rights and interests through the US legal and legislative systems. Mexico was encouraged to aid and abet this venture by depriving people in US neighboring states of decent job opportunities. As big business and big (Republican) government continue to jerk all of us around like puppets, might we wish to think about how to cut the strings, rather than continue to attack the "other" puppets, as required?

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North American Union
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 29, 2007 6:44 AM   
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I don't give a crap what religion groups are thumping. All I know is I don't want our country over-run by illiterate baby making machines and violent gang bangers. Over 70% of all crime in California is caused by GANG members.

But the bigger issue is this:
Is it TRUE that Mexico, Canada, and the USA have already agreed on a North American Union (shared currency, open borders, superhighway from Mexico to Canada, etc..)??

If so, if this open borders model for a North American Union is coming in 2010 as sensationalized all over the web, then it's too late to think about deportation and we need to focus on education (English, anti-gang) and birth control (since overpopulation affects us all).

Where is the responsible reporting on the NAFTA highway and the North American Union?

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» Oh why isn't this being reported? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» What bill is that? Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» RE: What bill is that? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: North American Union Posted by: babs
ฺำฺฺำฺำBeware the Good Book
Posted by: Paul Buckle on Jan 29, 2007 6:46 AM   
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When right-wing Christians scoff at selective quoting of the Bible, one tends less to simply smell the hypocrisy, rather choke on it. In any case, what is exposed is the painfully obvious fact that the Bible is so full of contradictions that it can be used to support almost any issue of choice. Want gay people to burn in hell? Look in the Bible. Support tolerance and respect of gays? Look in the Bible. Want to massacre your enemy? The Bible will back you up. Want to love your enemy? It’s all there. It’s a pity that this is still worth saying -in a more ideal world the sheer audacity of relying on the Bible to support any coherent philosophy would be obvious to just about everyone, but no, the Bible is still generously employed to abuse reason across the Christian religious spectrum (and beyond) and the mendacity of the abusers knows no bounds. In any case, liberal Christians, who are generally more rational than their fire and brimstone cousins ought to know better than to quote such a self-contradictory tract (or more accurately, such a selection of widely differing and often tenuously related tracts) to support their views. In fact, liberal Christians, would do well to realize that they might as well, for quotation purposes dump the entire thing excepting the Gospels which are, ideologically at least, pretty much self-consistent and also more in tune with the ideals of tolerance and respect that these individuals tend to espouse.

On the immigration issue in particular, there are no real surprises presented in this argument. It’s all too predictable that the extreme religious right will take, well, extreme right-wing views on this as all other issues and to be fair, in this particular instance, there is some justification for their views in a purely secular sense (illegal immigration is after all just that -illegal).

In any case, the deeper, more pertinent truth that is revealed here is that people of every political and ideological persuasion will continue to use and abuse religion to justify their particular mindset, a mindset that is both created and the creator of the deity that happens to meet their needs. The Bible is just the kind of incoherent mess to fuel this folly.

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This may be off topic: New anti-"illegal" immigrant e-mail
Posted by: sausage on Jan 29, 2007 6:47 AM   
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I received this e-mail, titled MAKES SENSE TO ME!!! yesterday. Twice!
Bush wants us to cut the amount of gas we use. The best way to stop using so much gas is to deport 11 million illegal immigrants! That would be 11 million less people using our gas. The price of gas would come down. Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the border.
When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Iraq. Tell him if he wants to come to America then he must serve a tour in the military. Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it. After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country.
He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal patriot. This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves. If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo. Problem solved. If you think this is a good solution to both the problems, forward it to your friends.
I just did.

Well, I didn't forward it. In fact I replied to the first friend who sent it that it is a perfectly nonsensical proposal, could have the opposite effect, drawing more "illegals" to the US, and not a solution to anything. The best place to start is a Marshall plan for southern Mexico and Centeral America. If the economies of these countries are stronger, wages higher, then the people who live there won't want to come here. Which is supposedly what the nativists want.

But like all the other "cultural" issues smothering American political discourse, this is something that the corporate sponsors of astroturf organizations like Tom Tancredo's Team America Pac never really wish to solve. The illegal immigration "issue" is merely another rallying point for the ignorant, the fearful and the bigoted. And it generates a lot of money for the likes of Team America chair, and aging pleasure boat, Bay Buchanan who will do anything for money except work at an honest day job.

Some of the right's criticism of illegal immigration is spot on. It does depress wages for example.

However if we cannot get our own economic house in order through--for example, narrowing the wealth gap, re-industrializing, strenghtening federal regulatory agencies, nationalizing mature, non-competative businesses such as utlities companies--then the scapegoating of "illegals" for the nation's economic ills will continue, much to the benefit of America's wealthiest investors and businessmen.

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» RE: No, massive fines should suffice. Posted by: FascismIsUnpatriotic
What a bunch of hogwash...... First of all "legal" immigration is not..
Posted by: Prophit on Jan 29, 2007 6:59 AM   
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.... an issue. In fact, everyone including tancredo says "come over legallly". This author continues to use "political speak" to mitigate the problem. He calls it undocumented workers instead of illegal immigrants.

I do believe Jesus would not advocate breaking the laws of a nation to achieve a selfish end. He said, in fact, "give unto ceasar that which is ceasars and give unto God that which is Gods". In otherwords, follow ceasars law in this world and Gods law for the next.

Also, either this author hasn't got a clue about who is against illegal immigration or he does and is part of selling it to us. In either case, he is one I would gladly replace with an illegal for doing his job at 1/3rd the wages and see how he likes it.

If it were only the evangelicals who supported following the laws of this nation and against unarmed invasion and conquest of this nation by a foreign countries inhabitants, then there would only be 29% to 36% who would disapprove of the amnesty offered by Bush. Instead its 89% and that means its mainstream so why not quit the red herring and address the issue from a jobs perspective.

If he is a globalist, then this all makes sense. But recent press indicates employment is down worldwide, which is great for corporations. Now they have BILLIONS of workers to compete for the menial jobs that are now available. Which means lower wages yet again. Aaah, globalization, great for the elite and sucks for the worker.

Has this guy read any of the stats as to the real cost of these 12 million illegals to this nation (official figures, more like 30 million with the last 12 coming here since Bush took office). If he has and still takes this position then he is a traitor, if not, he is ignorant and should not write about something he knows nothing about until he does his research.

HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES FOR HIS EDIFICATION:

01/27/07 - RENSE.com

Excerpt:

Job growth over the last five years is the weakest on record. The US economy came up more than 7 million jobs short of keeping up with population growth. That's one good reason for controlling immigration. An economy that cannot keep up with population growth should not be boosting population with heavy rates of legal and illegal immigration.

Over the past five years the US economy experienced a net job loss in goods producing activities. The entire job growth was in service- providing activities--primarily credit intermediation, health care and social assistance, waiters, waitresses and bartenders, and state and local government.

US manufacturing lost 2.9 million jobs, almost 17% of the manufacturing work force. The wipeout is across the board. Not a single manufacturing payroll classification created a single new job.

The declines in some manufacturing sectors have more in common with a country undergoing saturation bombing during war than with a super- economy that is "the envy of the world."

* Communications equipment lost 43% of its workforce. Semiconductors and electronic components lost 37% of its workforce.

* The workforce in computers and electronic products declined 30%.

* Electrical equipment and appliances lost 25% of its employees.

* The workforce in motor vehicles and parts declined 12%.

* Furniture and related products lost 17% of its jobs.

* Apparel manufacturers lost almost half of the work force.

* Employment in textile mills declined 43%.

* Paper and paper products lost one-fifth of its jobs.

* The work force in plastics and rubber products declined by 15%.

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» The loss of American jobs Posted by: sausage
» BAD example .... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Yes. And? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Yes. And? Posted by: MAD
another day, another chance to make the religious right seem big
Posted by: kenhymes on Jan 29, 2007 7:07 AM   
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Alternet once again offers a platform to those fringe elements oif the church whom few would know existed were it not for the editors' obsession with the religious right.

Let's have some REAL numbers: you cite a poll of FRC members, and give a percentage of same who support anti-immigration positions... but what number is that a percentage of? We know that the Christian Coalition and similar groups such as Haggard's fake COuncil of Evangelicals have routinely inflated their membership numbers in order to impress the GOP. These guys are the Enron of movement-building, and you guys are doing their legwork for them. Large majorities of Americans believe in God in one way or another, AND large majorities of Americans support universal health-care, protection of the environment, legal immigration, minimum wage increases, and many other progressive positions. I think the problem here is that secular leftists just can't deal with that reality. Much easier to attack than to build bridges with people whose cosmology makes you uncomfortable.

This is not a Christian nation, in the sense that very few people here would ever support the kind of theocracy apparently feared by some on the left. But it is a country in which people support religious pluralism. The left won't succeed without accepting that with some kind of good grace.

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» Ignorance is Bliss Posted by: Phenix
The biggest problem of CHRISTians
Posted by: mizipi on Jan 29, 2007 7:24 AM   
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The majority of people who claim to be Christians believe that Jesus died for their sins. Jesus died because a bunch of hypocrites despised His teachings, so they tried Him in a kangaroo court and nailed Him to a dead tree. Jesus said it is a narrow road to heaven and it ain't easy to travel. True Christians believe and try to live by the teachings of Christ - love your enemy, turn the other cheek, pray for those who persecute you - it ain't an easy thing to do. It's easy to put an American flag in one's yard, say "I am patriotic", etc. Everytime one of our soldiers is killed, it is like the death of Jesus. Everytime we kill someone, whether in battle or collateral damage, we kill Jesus. One of the 10 Commandments is "Thou shall not kill". It doesn't say "Thou shall not kill humans", so it could be construed that if we kill a mosquito, we are sinning. Then again, the Bible was written by man, sinful man, so maybe it is not as perfect as the teachings of Christ. If we could all try a little harder to "Do unto others as we would have others do unto us", well, just maybe the world would be a bit better.

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Will this make you Happy? About 600+ illegals will die in the desert this year
Posted by: sarahk on Jan 29, 2007 7:26 AM   
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Here are some facts that may give you a warm fuzzy feeling as you contemplate the threat of the fithly, vile hords spilling over the border:
Over 600 people will die slow, thirsty deaths in the desert of Arizona this year. More and more bodies of small children, babies and women are being found. As it becomes harder for their fathers and huspands to come home from the US, women are making the choice to try to unite their families by crossing the border. Also very young teenagers are often trying to cross alone to try to reach parents in the US. Many will suffer rape and abuse along the way from traffikers and gangs. Most do not know how difficult the journey will be until it is too late to turn back in the desert. Remember what Jesus Christ our Savior said: Whatsoever ye do to the least of them, ye do unto me. I think that the children and baby alien illegals can be described as " the least of them" as they have the least power and the least resources.
Pray for those who will die a slow death in the desert this year. Here is an appropriate Psalm (63) for you to say as as you think of the women and children and men dying slow: O God, you are my God, earnestly I seek you, my body longs for you, in a dry and weary land where there is no water.

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» Amen! Posted by: Kelly
The SIMPLE solution to the Immigration Problem
Posted by: xbj on Jan 29, 2007 7:30 AM   
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To find a proper solution, first you must correctly IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM.

What is the problem of illegal immigration?

It is simple. The American culture is eroding and turning into a Hispanic one. That's what has so many Americans up in arms.

Now let's look at exactly why.

America has dealt with MANY immigration "surges" in its history. Irish, Jewish, Swedish, Puerto Rican, eastern European, Italian, Black slavery, I can't reel off the exact order by memory, but each of these "surges" has one thing in common and an essential element radically different from the tide of Hispanic immmigration. And it is glaringly simple.

ALL THESE PREVIOUS SURGES PEAKED, and then ended.

Precisely because these surges ended, all these widely disparate groups were given the NECESSARY TIME NEEDED to LEARN THE LANGUAGE and become ASSIMILATED.

Think about it. Are there still neighborhoods in New York where everyone speaks Italian? Yiddish? Even in San Francisco in Chinatown people speak predominantly English now.

BECAUSE THEIR SURGE OF IMMIGRATION ENDED.

Not so the Hispanic immigration surge. IT GOES ON, AND WILL GO ON, FOREVER, only stopping once THE US IS POORER than the countries where they are all coming from.

This is because it is a NEVER-ENDING SURGE, no matter how many who got here first learn the language and assimilate, there will always be a large subculture right behind them THAT WON'T. The Hispanic culture will NEVER BECOME AN AMERICAN ONE, it will only GET LARGER.

Until America is essentially, a predominantly Spanish-speaking Hispanic culture. The people complaining the loudest have already experienced this first hand.

So what is the solution? There is only one. Stop the surge.

How do you do that? Build a wall, unfortunately, so you can absolutely control surges, giving them beginnings, and ends.

I'm not saying cut it off forever... just have "assimilation periods" of a decade or more to give the last surge time to LEARN THE LAUNGUAGE, establish themselves, and become Americans, just the way Hispanics did back in the 40's and 50's when it wasn't an endless tidal wave of humanity.

This is not cruel; this is not racist; it says we'll let another huge wave come through in ten years, and then shut the gates down and let them all assimilate. Which they will readily do as there won't be a support Hispanic sub-community to fall back on. They will HAVE to become Americans, and sooner.

This also would help keep employers from profiting off an endless stream of slave labor.

It's really why we build dams, folks. To keep constant floods from destroying everything downstream. And every now and then, letting the water flow to relieve pressure.

That's all. Pretty simple. Pretty doable, we could have built walls along the ENTIRE northern AND southern borders for what BushCo are pissing away in Iraq to their war contracting kickbacking cronies.

It's a matter or priorities. There is nothing wrong with wanting to KEEP AMERICA A MELTING POT where we all MELT AND EVENTUALLY BECOME AMERICANS, and not BECOME A SOLELY HISPANIC CULTURE, which is exactly where we will end up if the current situtation is allowed to continue.

Diversity rules. I'm the son of an immigrant to this country. But I never learned her language. That's the first step.

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