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The Psychology Behind the Worst Possible President

By Jane Smiley, Huffington Post. Posted January 17, 2007.


The longer Bush is in office, the more his psychology becomes clear. He's not a well-meaning doofus; he's a madman.

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Back in the year 2000, when George W. Bush lost the popular vote and was shoe-horned into office by the Supreme Court in spite of clear conflicts of interest on the part of Scalia and Thomas, the psychology of Little George was known to only a few.

To most of us he seemed like a doofus -- a more or less well-meaning guy who enjoyed running things like baseball teams and the State of Texas if not too much work was involved. Had been an alcoholic and a drug user, but had apparently come clean in some hazy, quasi-religious way -- that was his personal history to many Americans (if not to all those who met with Karl Rove behind closed doors and heard the truth).

At any rate, I remember thinking that Bill Clinton had done such a good job over the years getting the budget into a surplus and winning good feelings around the world that it really didn't matter who of the four who were running (Gore, Bradley, McCain, Bush) might win. They all seemed about the same in lots of ways.

What we really needed was some respite from Clinton's own penchant for mischief. I liked Clinton. I remember that The New Yorker magazine asked me for my take on the Lewinsky scandal, and I said that on balance, in spite of the brouhaha, I still preferred a president who would make love, not war. Clinton was a flawed human being, that was evident, but he knew it. He never didn't know it. And he was always trying to make amends.

But he was exhausting -- or the media made him exhausting. I thought we were due for a rest.

Little did we know, of course, that the neocons thought we were due for a war. Thinktank gun-jockeys looking for a fight. Do they personally have some human qualities? Who cares. May they rot.

At any rate, what I think happened is that when the Bush/Scowcroft/Baker faction decided to use Little George as their presidential poster boy to expand their Middle-East-based wealth and power, they didn't reckon with Cheney and Rumsfeld. They thought their boy would be personable and easy to control.

The key moment was when Cheney went looking for a vice-presidential candidate and found himself. Once they had given him the opening and he had publicly used it to aggrandize himself and his agenda, B/S/B realized that for the sake of party solidarity, they had to live with it. When Baker engineered the coup that was Florida (and I do think one of the "perks" Bush offered as a candidate was that Florida was guaranteed ahead of time by Jeb and K. Harris), I think that B/S/B and C/R found themselves in an uneasy alliance -- goals were the same, but temperaments were different. Right there at the pivot was Little George.

It's pretty clear that Little George requires a constant stream of flattery and cajolery to keep him going, and this was to be supplied by Harriet Miers, Karen Hughes, and Condi Rice. At the same time, his words (and ideas) were going to be supplied by Michael Gerson, who was his favorite speech writer for five or six years, a man who hides his unscrupulous neocon soul beneath a holier-than-thou, falsely modest self presentation. Christian soldier in every sense of the word, and someone who has largely escaped the contempt he deserves for the mess we are in.

At the same time, Little George has a hard time with bad news, so he was never going be told the truth -- he can't take the truth, as Jack Nicholson might say -- this is evident in the famous 9/11 film of Bush reading about his pet goat when he gets news of the WTC. Talk about dumbstruck and unprepared and feckless and doltish! No, I don't think Little George planned the Trade Center attacks. If he had, he would have practiced a smarmy fake reaction, and he didn't.

But he did get a feel, just a little feel, right after the attacks, of what it might be like to lead the nation. He got a feel and he liked it, and for the purposes of the neocons, it was a good feel and it gave them something to build on in their plan to overcome the cautious side of his nature, represented by B/S/B. The neocons, as we know to our sorrow, never pay back anything they owe, except perhaps with betrayal, so even though B/S/B got them into office, they were never going to listen to B/S/B unless they absolutely had to.

How do you build yourself a madman? Well, first you flatter him, and then you try never to make him angry, and then you feed him ideas that flatter him even more by making him seem to himself sentimentally visionary and powerful and righteous. You appeal to his already evident mean streak and his hot temper by reminding him all the time that he has enemies, and you cultivate his religious side so that the sense of righteous victimization inherent in extreme religion comes out.

If he were not already an ignorant, dependent, fragile, and rigid person, he would not be susceptible to this sort of conditioning, but by temperament and practice, he has nothing of his own to counter your efforts. Then you hire a few shyster-sycophants like John Yoo to tell him (ignorant as he is, with no actual understanding of the Constitution), that as president he can do whatever he wants.

So, here he is, Little George, caught between the devil (Cheney) and the deep blue sea (fifty-some years of being infantilized by B/S/B). Cheney and Rumsfeld, aided by Rice and Miers and Hughes, convince him that his masculinity will only be enhanced by doing all the masculine things he missed out on over the years, especially making war. And Gerson gives his war a virtuous, godly gloss.

And Gerson's words come out of his mouth so often that he believes them and thinks they are his. In the meantime, Karl Rove continues to think that he is the maestro, playing Little George (and his base and the rest of the nation) like his own personal piano. Playing the president, for Rove, means enhancing Little George's actual dependency while encouraging him to think that he's the boss (allowing him to call you "Turdblossom," for example, and isn't it telling that "turd" seems to be Bush's favorite imprecation, rather than, say, "fuck"?).

Bush is the worst possible president because he is simultaneously unusually ignorant for a president and unusually shallow, as well as desperate for a success he can call his own. I can see how in a certain sort of era -- say an era of prosperity and world peace (can you think of one? I can't) an unusually ignorant and shallow man could bump along in the presidency for a few years without creating havoc and destruction, but these years didn't happen to be peaceful and prosperous, they happened to be delicate and dangerous.

Clinton knew that, and he approached his compromising and self-contradictory foreign policy tasks with care. But Bush and his fellow boors were so blind that they adopted as their motto "anything but Clinton", sheer contrarianism and resentment. It wasn't enough to them for the US to be powerful, as it was in the Clinton years, or to be generally respected and appreciated -- they wanted something more sensational -- power they could feel, power that was erotic and fetishistic, power that was uncomfortable for others, power that would make them feel big by making others feel small, power that would show Clinton up.

That's the tit Little George has been sucking for the last six years -- the deluded propaganda of the neocons, addressed first to him and through him to the rest of us. What we saw the other night, when he proposed more war against more "foes" was the madman the last six years have created. This time, in his war against Iran, he doesn't even feel the need for minimal PR, as he did before attacking Iraq. All he is bothering with are signals -- ships moving here, admirals moving there, consulates being raided in this other place. He no longer cares about the opinions of the voters, the Congress, the generals, the press, and he especially disdains the opinions of B/S/and B. Thanks to Gerson, he identifies his own little ideas with God (a blasphemy, of course, but hey, there's lots of precedent on this), so there's no telling what he will do.

We can tell by the evidence of the last two months that whatever it is, it will be exactly the thing that the majority of the voters do not want him to do, exactly the thing that James Baker himself doesn't want him to do. The propaganda that Bush's sponsors and handlers have poured forth has ceased to persuade the voters but succeeded beyond all measure in convincing the man himself.

He will tell himself that God is talking to him, or that he is possessed of an extra measure of courage, or he that he is simply compelled to do whatever it is. The soldiers will pay the price in blood. We will pay the price in money. The Iraqis will pay the price in horror. The Iranians will pay the price, possibly, in the almost unimaginable terror of nuclear attack. Probably, the Israelis will pay the price, too.

Little George isn't the same guy he was in 2000, the guy described by Gail Sheehy in her Vanity Fair profile -- hyper-competitive and dyslexic, prone to cheat at games, always swinging between screwing up and making up, hating criticism and disagreement, careless of others but often charming. He is no longer the guy who the Republicans thought they could control (unlike, say, McCain).

The small pathologies of Bush the candidate have, thanks to the purposes of the neocons and the religious right, been enhanced and upgraded. We have a bona fide madman now, who thinks of himself in a grandiose way as single-handedly turning the tide of history. Some of his Frankensteins have bailed, some haven't dared to, and others still seem to believe. His actions and his orders, especially about Iran, seem to be telling us that he will stop at nothing to prove his dominance. The elder Bush(es), Scrowcroft, Baker, and their friends, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gerson, and the neocons have made the monster and in the process endangered the country, the Constitution, and the world, not to mention the sanity of wretches like Jose Padilla (for an analysis of the real reason Gitmo continues to exist, see Dahlia Lithwick's article in Slate, here.

Maybe the bums planned this mess for their own profit, or maybe they planned to profit without mess; maybe some of them regret what they have wrought. However, they all share the blame for whatever he does next.

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Jane Smiley is a novelist and essayist. Her novel A Thousand Acres won the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Critics Circle Award in 1992.

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wisegalah in Sydney
Posted by: wisegalah on Jan 17, 2007 12:26 AM   
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As a psychologist, I can believe much of what is said here.
Bush is certainly ignorant, deceitful, cowardly and I would guess narcissistic.

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I knew back then
Posted by: NowYogi on Jan 17, 2007 12:53 AM   
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...when George W beat Ann Richards for Texas Gov. that he was a nutcase. I couldn't believe that Texans were so dumb not to see him for what he was/is...a fake, a fraud, a madman! (I was so ashamed that I moved from Texas!) I was even more amazed when so many Americans were fooled by him. I guess it takes fools to vote for one!

An insane man as President is a very frightening thought. I feel economic collapse, national bankruptsy, will be the only thing to stop him from doing the unimaginable.

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Manic, crazed, fixated, with his blinders on... sounds familiar
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 17, 2007 1:02 AM   
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Some quotes:

"I need not waste words about what this war means to us. Our enemies have left no doubt of that. We are defending our existence. It is good for us to know that. It does not make us weak, but hard. A defeat would destroy us all."

"A nation must fight courageously and intelligently for its existence. But that is not enough. When events intensify and march with giant steps to their culmination, racing toward the crisis, the main thing is that the leadership and people keep their nerve, stubbornly and persistently overcoming dangers and difficulties, letting nothing distract them from the continuation of the course that they once saw as correct..."

"What should I say at the end of this almost concluded stormy year to thank the whole nation for its devotion, hard work, loyalty and sacrifice, for its bravery, its contribution of wealth and blood?"

No, that wasn't Bush - that was Joseph Goebbels in his 1943 speech to the German people. Karl Rove took the words right out of his mouth... from one insane lunatic to another.

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» Isn't history fun? Posted by: thoughtcriminal
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If you're a Baby Boomer, you secretly love GWB
Posted by: eddie torres on Jan 17, 2007 1:40 AM   
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Solution to America's problems: all Boomers commit suicide.

See Logan's Run for further suggestions.

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BUSH ON THE COUCH
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 17, 2007 1:55 AM   
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For more on the fragile state of Bush's mind, please read the book, Bush on the Couch by Dr. Justin Frank.

Not only is the president of the United Statews dumber than dogshit, he's nuts. The fact that we are now discussing this subject openly (as opposed to merely whispering it in private) seems to me to be a very healthy sign, indeed. We're finally coming out of the pathetic state of national denial that has plagued us since the day the Supreme Court installed this disgusting, corrupt, half-witted little piece of shit seven years ago.

Bush's incompetence and lack of any real intellectual depth has been abvious to the rest of the planet for all these years. That it took this long for the American people to wake up to this obvious fact is one of the mysteries of the age and probably as fitting a topic as any for a comprehensive study from a qualified journalist with a stronger stomach that I.

This long national nightmare is far from over, people. My belief is that 2007 will be the year when these hideous bastards and bitches (Hi, Condi!) will be removed from power forever and severely punished for their crimes against America in general and humanity in particular.

Fifty years from now, the president of the United States, whoever he or she will be - who in all liklihood hasn't even been born yet - will still, on a daily basis, be dealing with the damage that these dispicable people did to their once-great nation so many years before.

Did you ever, in your wildest, most apocalyptic dreams think that America would ever sink this low? So help me Mitch Miller, I didn't!

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Bush is a very dangerous and sick person
Posted by: jack alexander on Jan 17, 2007 1:58 AM   
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He is most probably schizophrenic and is listening to his 'voices'.

His psychosis is deep and he is beyond a borderline personality disorder.

I think he is competent enough to stand trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. His trial needs to begin immediately and he should be imprisoned or institutionalized for the rest of his life.

I agree with the author. I have been a substance abuse counselor and psychometry technician for 20 years....

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df
Posted by: Dee1276 on Jan 17, 2007 2:02 AM   
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Thanks to Jane Smiley for a brilliant analysis. I wish this essay could be reprinted on every op/ed page in every newspaper in the USA.

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Well, it's not as if he's the first!
Posted by: polyquat50 on Jan 17, 2007 2:12 AM   
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I've been watching American presidents since they first penetrated by Antipodean consciousness in my early adult life.
The president at the time was Nixon. Could America have elected anyone worse? I doubted it, and I suspect, so did the rest of the world.

Brief respite - you elected Carter.

But then came Raegan, and I thought “Can it possibly get any worse than this?”

And it did – Bush Snr.

Finally, someone half-way decent; Clinton. And you just couldn’t cope. Tore your selves to pieces to portray him as evil.

But then, in a bout jaw-dropping stupidity, you elected Bush Jnr! What were you thinking?

And DON’T give me that crap about you didn’t vote for him, stolen elections etc. It is very easy to steal an election from an apathetic electorate with voter turnout at 35% and no-one caring about the process. It is almost impossible to steal an election when the voter turnout is high and the electorate has its eye on the process. The last mid-term proved that.

So stop feeling sorry for your selves. Stop worrying about your image to the world – you dropped that ball decades ago. Stop worrying about your self-esteem, your nearly bankrupt economy, your failed health care system: take your murderous troops home and tell us HOW YOU ARE GOING TO PAY REPARATIONS TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE.

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Describing an active alcoholic
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jan 17, 2007 2:25 AM   
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Jane is describing one of the worse manifestations of an active alcoholic. Little George may not be drinking (mmmm), but he is actively playing out his alcohol dependency...only now in the form of power monger. He is far from recovery and the addiction has simply moved to another and different form. His arrogance, his quest for control, his rigidity, his grandiosity, his penchant for lying and dodging the truth by not answering directly the questions submitted to him, his constant "denial" of reality for his own version, his refusal to take responsibility for his mistakes are all indicators that he remains an dry alcoholic. He is far from sober!

Now we are witnessing and experience the chaos he is so comfortable with creating to keep all others off guard from what he is really doing. And, this nation is in the midst of denial. He has surrounded himself with co-dependents and with a crew who know well how best to use his "madness" to their advantage.

So, now we're in Little George's War under the veil of the nation at war. More chaos has yet to come as long as he remains as president.

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Little George to a T.
Posted by: waves999 on Jan 17, 2007 2:30 AM   
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What is the classic definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. That's Little George to a T.

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GWB, Arrogance Inc.
Posted by: gazooks on Jan 17, 2007 2:35 AM   
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This view is likely not far off the mark, albeit devoid of compassion, and as fraught with anger as it is it overstates the obvious.

Part of GWB's charm to many was the sense of his "good ole boy, average Joe quality, replete with fuck up potential. But I disagree that he represents the worst case, since he's just a front man after all.

Uncle Dick is the seething brainchild willing to sacrifice poor George, or anybody else, to exercise his masculinity at the world's expense. His neo-con cronies, particularly the late great Donald, are the ones deserving heaping piles of steaming shit flung at high velocity.

Pathetic George, while contemptible in so many ways, had been badly used by his brainer buddies. So, let's not get too distracted vilifying exactly the wrong guy as Hitler re-personified, not even close.

Ironically, and typically, much of the underlying basis for the neo-con strategy in the mideast had validity. Saddam was a US cultivated mini monster who deserved in the end less than he received. But he too was a delusional surrogate for the ambitions of a clique of dominant "business" interests permeating our policy thinktanks, DoS, Congress and DoD.

Those folks are only too glad to throw the nearly spent man-child President to the nearest pack of gnashing teeth.

We all should be very mad about very much. But let's pick the targets of our wrath with great care. Otherwise, we're as complicit as poor, lost and lonely George.

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More disinformation...
Posted by: sonex on Jan 17, 2007 3:00 AM   
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This is just a smoke screen, Bush is a sock puppet, the biggest decisions he makes is what he will have for lunch, he might appear insane and work against the better interest of America, that's only because he does not serve america but some other country.

Next stop Iran... who benefits ? America is an occupied country and it's people are brainwashed.

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Congress must do their duty!
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jan 17, 2007 3:02 AM   
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How can congress ignore the danger of allowing a madman two more years to destroy America, and possibly start World War 3?

Impeaching Bush/Cheney, and dismantling this corrupt and insane regime is the single most important responsibility they have. Even ending the war is a secondary consideration, and how can they not realize that? I won’t even try to conceal my contempt for leaders too fearful of political repercussions to exercise their power and fulfill their obligation to stop this madman from destroying our country.

The truth is, we have no leaders with the courage to speak out and rally the people for impeachment. We the people are the leaders, and we must demand that our elected representatives do their duty.

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Stephen from Sydney, Australia
Posted by: Stephen888oz on Jan 17, 2007 3:26 AM   
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Little Bush's actions are dictated entirely by his desire to outdo his father first, then Bill Clinton. In many ways, little Bush is autistic - he is apathetic to the feelings of other people, likes to live in his own comfort zone, and is out of contact with reality.

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This old man
Posted by: malaparte on Jan 17, 2007 4:25 AM   
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With appologies to Michael Flanders and Donald Swann, 2 English comedians of the 60's.

This old man, he played one
He played Nicknack with Viet Nam
Let other men go off to fight,
I'll stay back here and drink Bud Light

This Old man, he played two
He told Kyoto what they could do
Remember when he said Global warming was a tall tale
Now it's burn switch grass, just don't inhale

This old man, three and four,
I'm going to show Saddam to the door
Remeber the Catholic chuch scandals that rocked the nation
That's what I meant by weapons of mass destruction

This old man, five and six,
It's 04 and Karl up to his old tricks
Stick out my chin and pretent to be brave,
Mean while the right wing portrays Kerry as a knave

This old man, seven and eight
Well we held elections in Iraq and everything is straight
All is well or so I am told
Truth is something I can't hold

This old man nine and ten
He'll play Nick untill the bitter end
My policies are all for the good
This old man is aiming for future sainthood

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I'll admit it.
Posted by: WhatNow? on Jan 17, 2007 4:26 AM   
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I made myself watch about 5 minutes of bush on 60 minutes last Sunday. It's been at least 6 months if not more than a year since I had been able to stomach any of his propaganda.

Well everybody he's still the same idiot lunatic. He acted humble and admitted some wrong but behind it all he was still lying like usual. He said he got bad intelligence on Iraq and that he was wrong and so was everybody else. What a damn lie! Seems like Hans Blix and Scott Ritter knew better or at very least had suspicions that saddam had little to hide. Bush still can't face the facts.

Well that was all of him I could stand. Hopefully he will not be president by the time I am willing to try to stomach any more of his propaganda.

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Had Enough?
Posted by: Sweeet Pea on Jan 17, 2007 4:29 AM   
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http://marchtoimpeach.com/

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ljsullivan
Posted by: ljsullivan1166@earthlink.net on Jan 17, 2007 4:43 AM   
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I've read through the article and the comments, and I'm surprised that no one has yet recognized Bush and the neocons as SOCIOPATHS. You are doing a great job of describing a sociopath, but you haven't mentioned a key characteristic: LACK OF CONSCIENCE. Sociopaths are INCAPABLE of feeling anything for other people. They are good at figuring out that OTHER people have feelings and care about people and have consciences; in fact, they are great at exploiting these qualities in others -- which sociopaths regard as 'weaknesses'.


Read 'The Sociopath Next Door' by Martha Stout, and you will have the psychology of all these characters nailed. They constitute 4 percent of the population, but many are driven by a need to have power and control over others -- so they are attracted to others who think like them. When they also happen to have virtually unlimited resources, such as money and access to others in power, they can readily become what they are -- a menace to the entire planet.

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It's a cute piece of writing that denies one important fact...
Posted by: mat38 on Jan 17, 2007 5:46 AM   
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...and that is, specifiaclly, Israeli Zionists. What is it about Neocons and why are they driving Bush the madman into his inward and downward spiral of of pschopathalogical behavior? The writer and article is a good example of why Bush is allowed to continue to be nuts AND President. Ignore the real engine behined the Neocons and the fact that U.S. foregin policy is driven by the Israelis and their warmongering.

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locoadele
Posted by: locoadele on Jan 17, 2007 5:47 AM   
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This is a letter I submitted to the editors of 17 newspapers around the country January 15:
"President Bush has just announced another experimental strategy to achieve ephemeral 'success' in Iraq. Americans and Iraqis killed or wounded will merely be 'collateral damage' in the latest of many failures.
"This is starting to look like the Nazis’ gruesome medical experiments, performed during World War II on inmates of their concentration camps. One technique after another was tested, with human death and suffering a completely ignored side effect. The world may be excused for failing to stop this horror, which was carried out in secret.
"President Bush’s experiments have been carried in full view of the whole world. Yet no one has stepped forward to stop them. Members of Congress who do nothing or, worse, support these atrocities are as guilty of crimes against humanity as are Mr. Bush and his administration accomplices
"Some people take exception to comparisons between George Bush and Adolph Hitler. But the parallels exist. Historians have questioned Hitler’s sanity. President Bush?"

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Americans are to blame.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Jan 17, 2007 6:08 AM   
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This aritcle is a pass the blame to others article.

We, the American people, are responsible for our government. The US Constitution makes this government ours. The "buck" stops with us.

Don't blame, Bush, Chenney, Rove, the Generals, the Congress for the mess we have or the impending disaster brewing in the Persian Gulf with Iran.

If there is anyone left to celebrate New Years next year, blame who is truly responsible-us, the USA citizen for electing twice these charlitans and fools.

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Great article
Posted by: charemor on Jan 17, 2007 6:21 AM   
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This is a great article and some wonderful postings and responses to it. Now we the people have our work cut out for us and we must see that this maniac is removed from office as soon as possible. While he certainly deserves to be in a mental institution, that is too good for him and prison, with no chance of release ever, would be better

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Bush a terrorist? NEVER!
Posted by: pingoo on Jan 17, 2007 6:23 AM   
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From The American Heritage Dictionary:

"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

"A policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted; the employment of methods of intimidation; the fact of terrorising or condition of being terrorised."

From Webster's New International Dictionary:

"The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; specif.: a The system of the Reign of Terror. b A mode of governing, or of opposing government, by intimidation. c Any policy of intimidation."

You could not make this up! Laugh or cry at will.

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I read his response on 911...
Posted by: nha16 on Jan 17, 2007 6:33 AM   
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...differently. I saw foreknowledge and perhaps a goofy reaction to a timing snafu. I hope this entire piece wasn't to convince me and others like me that George's mess doesn't include complicity in 911.

Of course he's nuts, but his puppet masters are crazier. You don't come right out and say it, but I'd like to know: Don't think they're all crazy enough to pull a false flag op to get their way? So what will it take to realize how ruthless these monsters are and to stop trying to sneak in a comment on their innocence?

They could never have gotten enough support for Iraq without 911, and they knew it. We should all know it. What a lucky break for them, eh?

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Finally the light shines through...
Posted by: packofwolves on Jan 17, 2007 6:34 AM   
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I hate being one of those "I told you so" people, but I could never believe how we elected such a dork in the first place (although I doubt seriously he was elected). Bush and his cronies and family make me sick and if we don't stop him he will destroy this country. Bush is and always has been nothing more than the worst of human kind - a despicable little man who thinks he knows more than everyone else. He is a war criminal and needs to be tried as one. The citizens of the US need to stand up against this idiot and force him out of office. He is a dangerous and insane man who thinks he has a hot line to the heavens above and he will stop at nothing to prove himself. And that smirk of his...damn that's irritating but speaks to the man behind it so clearly. IMPEACH BUSH.

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RIGHT ON THE MONEY, BUT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 17, 2007 6:54 AM   
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This excellent article joins the long list of things written about GWB explaining his strange behavior. Why he is the way he is. The people of this country are not members of some self help group trying to help him find himself and deal with his demons. It's too late for that. I would like to know how we can make him go away and make this country and the world better. We are equally flawed for tolerating him. He's nothing more than a spoiled brat. Thanks, ANNA

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It's a FAR bigger problem than just this one man!
Posted by: TarryFaster on Jan 17, 2007 6:59 AM   
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For a more in depth explanation of what we are REALLY up against -- click here.

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kb
Posted by: kb on Jan 17, 2007 7:05 AM   
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A medical study last year found that persons with 2 or more DUI’s have a 60% probability of
being mentally ill, that’s 4-5 times the rate for the general population. GWB has 2 DUI’s. I think
Cheney does too.

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Maybe we should have seen it.
Posted by: buh on Jan 17, 2007 7:29 AM   
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Back in 2000, though I certainly preferred Gore and thought he got screwed, I never imagined a president who would be even Ronald Reagan level bad, let alone what he has become, and therefore was in the making of being even then, as the author illustrates. I guess I should have seen it.

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David M Loucas, MD
Posted by: dmloucas on Jan 17, 2007 7:29 AM   
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Jane Smiley, writing in the Huffington Post, makes it clear that there is no other construct, prescient enough to make us believe that George Bush is anything more than a neocon amalgamation of Frankenstein and the Manchurian Candidate. And were this creature relegated only to the written page of an overworked imagination we all would be much safer.

At this point, given the panorama of the world miasma that Bush has orchestrated, given his strange attraction to chaos, and the pursuit of its creation, and given his usurpation of powers reserved for kings and tyrants-not by leaders of democracies, we are left with a greater reality that is very unsettling: The President is Mentally Ill. His illness is now manifest and clear. Those who stoke his illness for their own personal gain are enemies of freedom.

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Psychology and power
Posted by: hquain on Jan 17, 2007 7:33 AM   
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"I remember thinking that ... it really didn't matter who of the four who were running (Gore, Bradley, McCain, Bush) might win. They all seemed about the same in lots of ways."

This confession, alas, demonstrates that Smiley is quite unsuited to the job of political analysis. Speculative psychologism will not close the barn door at this appallingly late date.

It's fun to belittle the pathetic, nasty figure of Bush, a bad actor playing scripted versions of himself, but it will not help us figure out what's going on, or how to make something else happen.

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The log in my eye, the nose on your face
Posted by: IanA on Jan 17, 2007 7:37 AM   
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The problem is not Bush’s or Blair’s or Howard’s sociopathy. It is a system that pushes such egoistical sociopaths, their handlers and servers, to the top and gathers around them like minded deviants to feed the sheeple with “newspeak” propaganda and protect their “subliminal conspiracy”.

The self same system rewards ruthless ambition and admires power for its own sake. It treats a spectacle of violence and abuse as entertainment. We accept to live and work in environments where greed is good and might is right. We are conditioned to think that those who reject this are just week or wish us and our system harm. We delude ourselves that “they” (anyone who is not one of “us”) are less deserving than we are. Our gods are greater, as are our needs, our wisdom and righteousness……

And now we say he’s mad, they are mad, and no doubt, by counting the disasters and the piles of bodies, he and they are, but, perhaps they are not so alone in their delusions!

It was “Prophet” another frequent commentator on this site that pointed me in the direction of the following long (2 part) but essential reading in terms of the “scientific” study and understanding of evil in the context of social psychology and history, a must read eye opener for one and all:
Here is the link & don't forget to cut and paste it since they make you space it to fit in here.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political
_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm

The title is called "Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil adjusted for political purposes"

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Lynne
Posted by: lynned2002 on Jan 17, 2007 7:53 AM   
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I knew that wasn't GW speaking. It was much too eloquent and articulate. The shoe fits though.

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Just be patient
Posted by: ghoster on Jan 17, 2007 8:01 AM   
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Of course, now we see shrub as the complete fuckup he is and now we still sit on our asses and do nothing. So just be patient and the next small ratcheting up of the war and involvement in the region. When he gives the go ahead to drop real nukes on another country don't be surprised to see some blowback on that one. But do nothing sit on your butts and keep the noise level down after all the american idol is coming on. Geez I am so damn through with any idea that this country is anything other than a nation full of hedonistic blowhards. No one wants to get involved or risk their personal comfort to stand up to this dictator. Yup, gonna get real interesting and with any luck we only have two more years of this jerk, but the next one might be even worse. Think Jeb. If they can engineer that then they truly are the chosen ones.

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So what
Posted by: Soco on Jan 17, 2007 8:25 AM   
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Does Pelosi know this? Does she care? She has adamantly stated she is not going to start impeachment proceedings. Unless a miracle occurs within the Democratic leadership...

Speculation about his sanity isn't helping. True or not, the elected leaders aren't doing 5h1t about it. So, who do they serve, the American public or themselves? Inquiring minds want to know.

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BUSH - THE DRY DRUNK SYNDROME = MENTAL ILLNESS
Posted by: michaelo on Jan 17, 2007 8:33 AM   
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What bothers me about this piece is not that the symptoms of Bush art not convered, they are apparent as is the machinations of the neo-con's use of this patsy. What is disturbing about this piece and the others written by pop leftists, is their ignorance of the literature concerning Bush's dysfunctional and extremely dangerous condition.

That these failures to do homework continue into 2007 is unacceptable.

Beginning in in 2002, 5 years ago, Alan Bisbort began the diagnosis of the origin of Bush's mental illness in his new breaking piece in American Politics.

Subsequently Katherine van Wormer and myself wrote three more articles further detailing both the symptoms, causes and scientific basis for diagnosing Bush's mental illness and it portent of extreme danger not only to the US but, as we now know, to the world.

(http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/MichaelOMcCarthy)

These pieces were widely publicized and spread world wide. Complimenting this work Dr. Justin Frank provided a forensic psychiatric diagnoses of bush in his seminal work, BUSH ON THE COUCH.

Yet none of this research and its revelations are mentioned in articles of this type. Aside from the obvious attempt to recreate the wheel for the sake of the authors popularity, they continue to prosper the public ignorance thereby shield Bush from a scientific accounting of his current medical suitability to govern.

The Congress and the press must demand that Bush's medical records be examined. That, like any employee with a recorded fatal illness, he be examined based on the nature of the illness; that he be required to pursue treatment for that illness.

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Bush's Oedipal Complex
Posted by: piversen on Jan 17, 2007 8:47 AM   
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I don't have time to read all the comments posted thus far so I apologise in advance if this repeats what others have already pointed out. While I applaud the basic premise of Jane Smiley's piece that W has some troubled psychology behind his stinky presidency, I think Smiley fails to hit the head of the most obvious nail of Bush, Jr.'s pschylogical troubles -- Bush Jr. is still rebelling against his old man's long shadow. He took drugs and alcohol to rebel against his dad, and he got religion to better his dad, and he lowered taxes 10 times to distance himself from his dad's "read my lips" tax blunder, and he abandoned diplomacy to be different than his dad, and he has spurned his dad's trusted advisers B/S/B for R/C and the neocons because his dad relied upon B/S/B. In short, at the heart of this psycho president is nothing more than a classic case of the Oedipal Complex. The irony, of course, is that in trying to best his dad's shadow in the area of foreign policy, he's made his old man's choices look far more sage now.

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the psychology behind the worst possible president
Posted by: ehsan on Jan 17, 2007 8:51 AM   
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this is perhaps one of the best articles on mr Bush and his conduct as president of the US.it takes Bush's most irrational of adventures AS US head of state;the invasion of Iraq on invented facts and excuses, a cruel venture that has brought shame and enormous cost to the Americans.it has been condemned by people of the US and their friends alike.yet, mr Bush has not only refused to listen to this out cry,he has excerbated the conflict in Iraq by sending more US troops and by threatening other countries in the unfortunate region of conflict.

but to advance this lethal conflict and mad intentions,Bush uses the American Armed Forces.the forces are not dummies but humans.they are led by senior staff who are educated,trained to articulate their views on the ethics and cosequences of the targets they are assigned. they are obliged to voice their concerns and must do so because they are ultimately responsible to and servants of the people of the US from out of whose taxes they are paid their emoluments. why its then they are behaving like dumb driven chattles and obeying orders of a man who is sub-normal in intelligence and intellect,mistrusted by public and is not even emotionally normal.his policies have seriouly damaged the US interests abroad and brought shame to its own people.
and if it is so then :
THE SENIOR MILITARY OFFICERS NEED TO FIRMLY SPEAK OUT THEIR RESERVATIONS ON THIS DAMAGING UNDERTAKING of their C-in-C AT THE BEHEST OF some allegdely silly corporate INTERESTS.

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time to make some calls for impeachment
Posted by: nor cal surfer on Jan 17, 2007 9:06 AM   
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and i mean picking up the phone. preaching to the choir's about as effective as asking a NASCAR pack if they like to go fast.

one place to check info:

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

pick up the phone, and tell them you want Bush impeached.

gotta go make some calls....

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don't think Bush planned 9/11
Posted by: kellysgarden on Jan 17, 2007 10:21 AM   
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Smiley writes:

"No, I don't think Little George planned the Trade Center attacks. If he had, he would have practiced a smarmy fake reaction, and he didn't."

Well, I don't think he planned the attacks either. But he sure is covering up for whoever did plan them! And as we saw with Watergate and Libby, the cover-up is often worse than the crime. Impeach him for covering up the 9/11 facts.

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George Bush and Jeffrey Dahmer
Posted by: DennisDalrymple on Jan 17, 2007 10:30 AM   
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Jane Smiley is not the only one to conclude that George W. Bush is a madman. If you will recall, Dr. Justin Frank’s (Professor of Psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center) book, “Bush On The Couch”, Frank observed that he (Bush) was an “untreated ex-alcoholic” with paranoid and megalomaniac tendencies. He has also exhibited a “lifelong streak of sadism…[that included] childhood pranks (using firecrackers to explode frogs).” This reminds me of how Jeffrey Dahmer got his start in sadism by torturing small animals as a child before he tortured, raped, murdered and ate the body parts from at least 10 young men in Milwaukee as an adult. These childhood behavior patterns exhibited by Bush and Dahmer cannot be easily dismissed as “pranks.” They portend pretty ghastly behavior later in life as we have already observed in both cases. Dahmer was murdered in prison by inmates and we cannot expect a similar end to Bush; but Dr. Frank felt in his book the only satisfactory treatment for Bush is to remove him from office immediately.
Too bad Nancy Pelosi has removed that option from the House of Representatives agenda. It's imperative that impeachment be reconsidered.

Dennis Dalrymple
New York

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Jefferson said "people get the kind of government they deserve"
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 17, 2007 10:54 AM   
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Sure everything about Bush in this article is true. However, the unescapable fact is that he was elected TWICE as president. The second time by a larger margin even after he had shown clearly his plans (tax cuts, the most brutal Darwinist economic attitudes, etc.). I live in rural Nebraska, and if Nebraska is one of the "reddest" of the states, then rural areas are the most blazing day-glo red of all. It's hard to believe people around here: the only jobs pay minimum wage, most of them don't have a rat's chance of ever earning the income to benefit from Bush's tax cuts, they are glad to send their kids to "Eye-rak", and think that Bush is an instrument of Jesus' coming next week Tuesday. No quibbling about hanging chads or funky polling machines around here--they wanted Bush, period.

Bitch about Bush all you want, but apparently the majority of American voters wanted him. Jefferson said "people get the kind of government they deserve". And now we got it, nobody to blame but ourselves.

All though I am a farmer and have lived here all my life, I am seriously thinking of emigrating to Canada.

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A Little Crow Please
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 17, 2007 11:01 AM   
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Background:
I have been watching Bill Clinton all of my adult life and am no great fan of his as my Governor or President. I didn't vote for him (ever) and in fact worked against him as a College Freshman in 1980 when he lost his re-election bid as Governor of Arkansas.

Current:
George W. Bush is so bad and such a total monster that he makes Clinton (a milder form of corporatist elitist) look good. They are both corporate whores, but Clinton didn't grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth and has some consideration for working people and the poor. Likewise, having been Governor of a small and poor state disciplined him regarding budgetary issues- something Dubya never has had to do (weak Gov in a wealthy state).

I reject the notion that Dubya is a moron. Even as a 'legacy', students in the days before grade inflation didn't graduate from Ivy League schools by being stupid. It should also be noted that he went to grad school at Harvard where he wasn't admitted as a 'legacy' and holds a Harvard M.B.A.

I think he's more than a little unstable and weird , but by no means an idiot. I think he knows exactly what he is doing and has played the prototypical dumb-ass Frat-Boy Rich Kid in order to get people to underestimate (mis-underestimate in Dubya speak) him. Ann Richards found out the hard way and so did Al Gore. Now we all know, unfortunately.

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ghost sister
Posted by: Gregor on Jan 17, 2007 11:45 AM   
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Did you know GWB had a little sister who died at the age of 3 from a serious disease that kept Barbara hopping to doctors, but they couldn't do anything. There was no funeral that GWB attended and they didn't discuss it in the family. It is written in the psychological assessment done on him...The book with the big question mark on it. (sorry, don't have it anymore to reference). It also mentioned that GWB started having nightmares at that time so severe it kept him up nights. Hmm. Could it be he was developing a psychosis?

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The Mental Pathologies of George W. Bush
Posted by: malcolmartin on Jan 17, 2007 11:49 AM   
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It would take a team of psychoanalysts to catalogue the many and varied mental pathologies of George W. Bush and his henchmen in the U.S. government. The point to keep in mind is that in this time and in this place the capitalist system required people in power capable of carrying out insane and grotesquely inhumane policies, up to and including nuclear warfare. Capitalism, like the HAL 9000 computer onboard the spaceship Discovery in the film 2001: A Space Odyssey, is out of the control of its makers. The system now has only human sentinels, best represented by the so-called Neo-Conservatives in ruling circles.

So the problem humanity faces is that capitalism in its last throes, rotting internally, irrational and increasingly insane, is now armed with doomsday weapons. A bitter truth of capitalism is it’s complete amorality. It is an economic system. It is unimpressed with the dead in Iraq. It is without heart or conscience and will not pause before killing every single human being on the planet. In the near term, capitalism will take increasing advantage of war, disaster, disease, terror, and slavery to feed itself. Wholesale destruction and regime change will be visited on the oil producing states like Iraq, Iran and Venezuela and other resource-rich areas. Left unchecked, eventually the United States, China, India and the European Union will fight wars for control of world markets and access to resources.

At the same time capitalism has created a force capable of halting this slide to Armageddon—the working class. There is a race in progress. Working people will become conscious of themselves as a force, identify the ruling class as the enemy and attack them, or capitalism will drag us all into the grave with it. It is now socialism or death!

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When was your first clue?
Posted by: cliffhammond on Jan 17, 2007 12:10 PM   
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There is something disingenuous and rhetorical about this "essay" that struck a nerve with me. It's not that I disagree with it's author; I do agree with most of what she wrote except her notion that Bush has ever been in charge of his presidency to the imagined chagrin of his handlers. I agree that he is extremely narcissistic -- even displaying that prominent feature of antisocial personalities usually associated with a lack of conscience - a stunning lack of empathy - but with the narcissist is more due to self-aggrandizement, lack of insight and poor reality testing.

No, in the case of this essay, its author seems to be mouthing off what the rest of us have been screaming since 1999 when Bush was running without a platform until, after months, his pollsters finally told him what his campaign issues were. Even then, it was to differentiate himself with his own brand of lies from other liars and manipulators. Ms. Smiley even admits that she had no feelings either way at the time of the 2000 elections. I was living in Austin at the time of Bush's "Governorship." We natives knew "what was up." Molly Ivins was adamant in her journalistic warnings. Dubya was a clown who got up at noon in the governor's mansion, signed without even bothering to read a series of papers put before him daily by Karl Rove and others, played computer games until a reasonable hour, conscious of PR, then went off into his own world. No, Ms. Smiley, where were you in 2000?

It's not that this essay doesn't "tell it like it is;" it's that it comes so late as to indict its author with all the characteristics of a "yes man" in a progressive movement that now requires no conviction or courage. It's like stating the obvious and expecting applause. Well, Ms. Smiley, what do you have to say about "Democrats" who now control the same corrupt system of lobbyist driven government? What do you have to say about the still ensconced plutocracy that is satisfied to have instability in the Middle East because Iraqi oil in the ground is the same as oil in strategic storage within the great salt domes of Texas -- that we now have a hedge against "peak oil" despite plebian concerns about "winning" and "loosing" conventional military wars and how to define them?

I'm really surprised, though, that this editorial did not appear on Fox News. Its about time even they figured it out and got with the current fashion themselves. Of course, the rest of the Progressive Movement will be busy fighting "liberals" who think Hillary is "all that" while both parties "pork it up" and the wealthy continue to widen the gap.

-cliffhammond

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Religious Fundamentalism
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Jan 17, 2007 1:43 PM   
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Don't forget that in ALL cases, zealots are the who start religions, not moderates. It's zealots that codify them, it's zealots that spread them, it's zealots that define religions.

President Dunce is a zealot. He's a religious zealot and a sociopath. The interesting thing is that he's more of a sociopath than a zealot. After all, he has expressly stated the following (and I paraphrase),

"I don't care if Laura and Barney are the only ones who agree with me, my decision stands with regard to Iraq."

Sociopath. S O C I O P A T H.

Spell it. Learn it. Understand it. Your President is a sociopath of the first order.

Indeed, he totally ignored the Iraq Study Group's suggestions. He totally ignored the 9/11 Commission's report. He went 'fey', to the November election. He fired his generals who didn't agree with his decision. Etc. Etc. Name one thing that he's done that has NOT come directly out of his own muddled head. You will come up with nothing. That's because he has no capability of listening. He doesn't care. He has no conscience.

SOCIOPATH. He doesn't care at ALL about this country. It's all about HIM. His ego. His lack of conscience. This type of behavior is written up in the DSM. Look it up.

The 1/3 of the nation's voters who ignore this behavior because Bush is a 'good Christian' are exactly like him. In fact, if you watch Fox News you will see pundit after pundit that actually admires Bush. That's because sociopaths are not all that few and far between. Get it? They vote, too. They also have lots of money and lots of loud vocal cords. They have universities: Bob Jones, Jerry Falwell. They despise specific groups of people: Focus on the Family, etc. They own airwaves: Dobson, Robertson. Sociopaths all. Christians all. See the connection???????

And Bush is right in there with them.

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Crazy? No. Sick? Yes.
Posted by: opeluboy on Jan 17, 2007 2:05 PM   
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One must remember that as a boy George loved to torture small animals. All that we know of is his fondness for sticking fire crackers up frogs' butts and blowing them up. My guess is that this is just what we know of, and he most likely did not stop with frogs. Today we recognize this abherrant behavior as a serious warning of future dangerous and violent acts.

That he has a cruel streak is seen even in his college days. And who can forget him mimicing the condemned Carla Fay Tucker on the eve of her execution? Were Bush truly a Christian, he might have intervened since Tucker had become a virtual one-woman altar-call in prison and thousands of people were begging for her life to be spared (although she never did). This alone should prove to even the most benighted that he is anything but.

It is also obvious that the only time Bush can form complete sentences and sound as if he is speaking for himself is when he is talking about war, destruction and death. He is comfortable with this. He enjoys it. Probably gives him a hardon.

I have never thought Bush was stupid or a klutz. He is simply evil. He is surrounded by people who were selected because they share his evilness. He is a danger to the whole world.

And he is just getting started.

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From Coke to Booze to Jesus
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 17, 2007 2:29 PM   
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The GW Bush odyssey is best understood, I believe, within the context of the psychopathology of substance abusers. We know from many articles and reports that Bush was snorting Coke back in his college days, and probably experimented with many other drugs as well. The substance abuse was to fill a void. The son of millionaires growing up with no wants and constantly pampered, he had no sense of value for work or anything else in life and turned to drugs out of disillusionment. With time, and as he escaped the draft with the Guard on account of Pappy's help, he was gradually steered, by family and friends to "socially acceptable," and hence "not illegal" substances like alcohol. The alcohol problem caused him distress over time however, what with DWI's and Pappy again bailing him out, and Bush Sr. family and friends steered son GW finally to "Jesus" and Salvation. Now, there is nothing wrong with this scenario as recovery for substance abuse. It has worked for millions and AA is based on this. But the problem becomes evident when one such as this becomes an American President. The need to "fill the void," with "Democracy Projects," wars, and believing that Jesus or a Diety is in direct communication with one. Now, Coke especially is a powerful addiction and they say one never gets over it. So, the religious angle is a good substitution. Take the "Being Saved," with being President and we have our GW Bush of today. A recovering substance abuser who still longs ocassionally for some Coke or a drink but then prays, and receives guidance translated into American Foreign Policy and the wars we are in today.

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ALL POLITICIANS ARE FUCKING NUTS!!!!!!
Posted by: Againstthewindwalking on Jan 17, 2007 2:30 PM   
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Look at what they must become a part of just to get elected! HOLY SHIT!!!! You'ld have to be completeley insane to jump into that!! THAT"S whay there is nothing in The Constitution about the President being deposed for being insane!

The Office of the Presidency is a job that just by the act of applying for the position, you've proven yourself unqualified to fill it! Who would want the job but a lunatic? If you kept the loonies out of Washington, You'ld have noone left!

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Secrecy
Posted by: park on Jan 17, 2007 3:58 PM   
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To me, the most obvious indicator of Bush's dysfunction is his dogged secrecy. From hiding his service records and business dealings to re-classifying documents that were already released to extending the classified status of his daddy's documents to secret strategy meetings and seruptitious spying, he loves to work in secret. I'm not sure what this means in a psychological sense, but in a political sense, it is dangerous.

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impeachment is the only option
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 17, 2007 6:39 PM   
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impeachment is the only option

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You're all wrong! ;) ;) ;) ;)
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Jan 17, 2007 8:51 PM   
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If someone has a psychology, one would have to assume that person has a brain and a character, whereas Dubya possesses neither...

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STOOGE at the DC WHEEL
Posted by: Hal on Jan 17, 2007 8:50 PM   
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“The longer Bush is in office, the more his psychology becomes clear. He's not a well-meaning doofus; he's a madman.”

Wow... The thicker the transparent lies pile up on the ground at “war on terror” for “democracy” etc, – the weirder the trash analysis from the bogus “left”. So, now Bush is a “madman”…

As brighter bulbs have said from the start, GW Bush is barely a rodeo clown of a figurehead. This “decider” may make a few choices off the White House menu but there it ends.

“At any rate, what I think happened is that when the Bush/Scowcroft/Baker faction decided to use Little George as their presidential poster boy to expand their Middle-East-based wealth and power, they didn't reckon with Cheney and Rumsfeld. They thought their boy would be personable and easy to control.”

Water carriers Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, etc, have a bit more surface “power” than puppet buffoon Bush but they are ultimately criminal decoys who do little more than act out policy for a corporate crime government (once commonly known as the “Invisible Government” of the Gilded Age) that calls the cartel plays.

“No, I don't think Little George planned the Trade Center attacks. If he had, he would have practiced a smarmy fake reaction, and he didn't.”

Of couse... And here’s the biggest denial bubble of all.

This red herring is tossed in by (benefit of the doubt) well-meaning and witless Mz Smiley as if it’s a joke. But whether on the faux “left” or “right” something like 70% of Americans don’t buy the official fairytale of a 911 cover-up still shoveled out by brothel Washington and its dirty little circus parrot of an MSM.

911 cover-up is a massive global fraud and lynchpin issue that either doesn’t get talked about at Huffington Post, Alternet, et al or if it does the subject is treated as an object of official denial and ridicule.

Regardless, it’s fairly obvious what happened here. GW the semi-useful idiot was kept out of the 911 loop until he had to be dragged in for the cover-up. It’s written all over his twitchy, alcoholic face.

In a grotesque way, global village idiot Bush is a perfect poster boy for the blood money sickness that runs the west and hence most of the globe…

Most people understand cooked events like PNAC’s “new Pearl Harbor” 911 and its obscene “war on terror” are naked frauds but they don’t want responsibility. (Public war for private greed is so very cozy and profitable) So they watch American Idol or WWF wrestling and tune the horror out.

Unfortunately, a good part of the rest of the world is not so blind or so far removed from reality that they can afford to live on blood money lies.

And the thing about liars and their killing lies is, they tend to destroy those who let them run their civilizations.

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Hang it up George!
Posted by: BigSkyView on Jan 17, 2007 9:40 PM   
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Your commitment to your Iraq policy and its place in history is understandable. You should stop talking now and give your country, the newly elected Congress, a chance to offer an alternative. In fact, the only voice I want to hear from your administration now is Colin Powell. Bring him back!

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» RE: Powell sold out, too. Posted by: Ripcord
Very Interesting, BUT....
Posted by: psyorg on Jan 17, 2007 11:42 PM   
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Very interesting comments. I almost agree with all of your pyschological "profiling" of Herr Bush. However, I think you give the ol` Bush-meister too much credit. Maybe he is just a puppet of higher powers. I would like to believe that. However, I have trouble believing that this hillbilly drone of the new world order is really smart OR competent enough to pull it off. I have tried to convince myself for the past two terms that we are simply in the throes of an idiot leader elected by an idiot population...that fits my views of our sadly-stupid electorate; on the other hand, however, I am not so pretentious as to think I am the only one seeing through the lies. I literally broke down and cried the day GWB "won" a second term, and the first days of the Iraq War are some of my most prominent memories - "my people" and I have known for years that the Conservative Christians were driving this country into the dirt, and the past few years have only proved that point. To all you so-called Liberals who are only NOW "seeing the light"....I hope you rot in THEIR hell next to GWB!

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This is a good time for a heart-to-heart chitchat
Posted by: Donna_Darko on Jan 17, 2007 11:47 PM   
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Garrison Keillor had a great essay about the Bush's Oedipal complex and lack of communication between 43 and 41. All that needs to happen is for 41 to pick up the phone and have a little chitchat with 43 and additional thousands of people may be spared. These damn uncommunicative WASPs.

"It's time for 41 and 43 to work something out, and they can't do it by way of James Baker or Brent Scowcroft. Pick up the phone, old man, and tell 43 you love him dearly and it's time to think about sparing the lives of American soldiers, many of whom have sons too."

"This is a good time for a heart-to-heart chitchat"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/
chi-0701030006jan03,0,5865923.column

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Bush didn't plan but was complicit in 9/11
Posted by: medicis on Jan 18, 2007 3:01 AM   
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In contradiction to some psychologist above who supported the author's glib, tossed off comment about Bush's reaction on the 'my pet goat day', another poster wrote:

"["No, I don't think Little George planned the Trade Center attacks. If he had, he would have practiced a smarmy fake reaction, and he didn't.”]

Of couse... And here’s the biggest denial bubble of all.

This red herring is tossed in by (benefit of the doubt) well-meaning and witless Mz Smiley as if it’s a joke. But whether on the faux “left” or “right” something like 70% of Americans don’t buy the official fairytale of a 911 cover-up still shoveled out by brothel Washington and its dirty little circus parrot of an MSM."

Yes, Bush is a dupe of the powers that control him. And yes, He has been and is complicit in hiding the truth about 9/11. "

In comment:
I don't appreciate and give no credence to limited hangout articles like this. Disinfo is 90 - 95% truth and the remainder designed to mislead. The author's interpretation of Bush's reaction in the school room is simply false and I'd bet designed to mislead. Bush may not have had any 'real' role in the planning of 9/11 but he was and has certainly been endorsing it with his silence.

Alternet.org and Huffingtonpost are simply left-wing gatekeepers. They try to determine what the 'proper' issues should be for the 'left'. How many mockingbirds (google this) exist today? Alternet and Huffington appear to be present-day examples.
Dr. Richard Welser
Clinical Psychologist

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Concerned Citizen
Posted by: dianne.quilts on Jan 18, 2007 7:51 AM   
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I am still amazed that Bush was ever elected/appointed, and even more amazed that he was voted a second term. (What does that say about the citizenry?) How did this happen? It's a good sign that Bush's sanity is being denouced openly and will then lead to the next logical question: How do we remove a madman from office?

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Bush being a madman shouldn't be a major problem
Posted by: nikolai on Jan 18, 2007 12:39 PM   
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Bush being a madman shouldn't be a major problem as that's what the legislative and the judicial branches are for, to rein in bad or insane policy. Therein the problems lies. The legislative and judicial branches of gov't are either falling down on the job, or they agree with Jr., even if only by proxy. THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM. Why does this problem exist? Can it be that the elite 2% of the country is behind this insanity? Follow the money trail, after all. This administration has been VERY profitable to the elite, even while being detrimental, or down right disasterous for the rest of us. Therefore by the same token, shrubs handlers don't care if he is nuts, as long as they can control him. So you see, the other two branches of gov't ARE controlling dumbya, but only in a way that suits the royality of America (and England), NOT for the majority of the U.S. Really, it's been this way since Woodrow Wilson signed over the country to the privately owned Federal Reserve, but now it has become very clear to those who have opened their eyes. What is the best way to hide something? Put it in plain view, make it obvious and people will look right past it.

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A lot of it is an act
Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 18, 2007 1:02 PM   
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I'm talking about his folksy, error-prone speaking. There is no way that Karl Rove has not noticed that he says "nucular". Therefore we have to assume that he either decided not to correct it, or that Bush was coached to speak that way in the first place. It's part of the BS image. Like his accent. He's not from Texas, he was born and raised in Conneticut. It's a fake Texas drawl. Or the "ranch" they built for him in 1999 as he was gearing up for his run for the presidency. The image of a regular joe, a Washington outsider who gets make fun of by elitist intellectuals. In actuality he is from an extremely wealthy Eastern elite family who has been prominent in national politics for generations.

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» RE: A lot of it is an act Posted by: nikolai
People get the government they deserve
Posted by: macdon1 on Jan 18, 2007 4:26 PM   
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Was it Tallyrand who said that? Anyhoo...what about the rest of us who didn't vote for that psychotic fool...do we deserve this too?

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Bush is a sick man
Posted by: Democritus on Jan 18, 2007 4:53 PM   
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From his actions, anyone can tell that President Bush is psycholgically impaired. But this probably has a physical cause. Both his mother and father suffer from Graves' Disease, which he has likely inherited. Bush's former alcoholism and probable cocaine use would also serve to aggravate his symptoms. Rather than being an object of hate or derision, he should be an object of pity. Mercifully, he should be impeached and removed from office for the reason of mental defect.

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Bush Tawks Fernie Cause he's Brayne Damabged
Posted by: 2shane on Jan 18, 2007 7:52 PM   
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Bush is a brain damaged scumbag junkie.... in a 3 piece suit.

That's whie he, he, he, um ah talks funni.

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Tip of the Slimeberg
Posted by: Delysid on Jan 19, 2007 8:23 AM   
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Crazy, evil, and stupid as Bush undoubtedly is, don't overlook the article's emphasis that he's but a tool and lackey of a large, powerful, and deeply embedded network of corrupt, criminal, anti-democratic servants of wealth and power that must be neutralized and torn out of the body politic, tentacles and all.

The heart of the beast lies in the concentrated wealth embodied in corporations and their control of the system through the power of money.

It will take a sustained effort by principled people to break their hold, and like it or not, electoral politics is the quickest route to the power necessary to do it.

A 3rd party cannot arise without proportional representation, so the only option is the Democratic party, which must be flooded with principled, dedicated citizens bound together in solidarity prepared to face down corporate power, remove the sold-out appartchiks in the Dem inner core, and transform the party to a force that will curtail corporate power and redistribute the concentrated wealth it has hoarded.

Four essential ingredients:

- break up media concentration and return it to local control;

- reform campaign finance utterly, including termination of K-Street and corporate lobbying;

- subject corporations and the ultra-rich to taxation and other means of regulation to eliminate undue concentration of wealth, including legally redefining corporations to remove their current status as super-citizens;

- comprehensively reform the electoral system to one based on proportional representation.

*Then* we can make the changes needed to build global justice, deal with poverty and war, and turn the vast potential and power of collective human effort to transform our relation with the natural world from destructive to constructive harmonious healing and stewardship.

In other words, we either get radical or the corporate ruling class hands our descendants a life in hell in the midst of ecological catastrophe, with high likelihood of nuclear holocaust by accident or design.

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» RE: Tip of the Slimeberg Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon
Pay attention
Posted by: pablo on Jan 19, 2007 8:57 AM   
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"At any rate, I remember thinking that Bill Clinton had done such a good job over the years getting the budget into a surplus and winning good feelings around the world that it really didn't matter who of the four who were running (Gore, Bradley, McCain, Bush) might win. They all seemed about the same in lots of ways."
Jane, back in 2000 I argued with Nader voters that they would be helping a fascist into the Whitehouse. A couple of years later and I was arguing before the War that Saddam did not have WMD's. In neither case did I have a crystal ball. I was just paying attention. Having witnessed the ruthless way the GOP went after Clinton I knew how what we were in for if they ever got hold of the Presidency. Listing to Hans Blix and European experts I knew that Saddam did not have WMD's.
Basically I just paid attention. If you did not know these things its not because it was not obvious. Its because of mental laziness on your part. And oh by the way Nader voters thanks for the last 6 years!

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It's A Nice Theory
Posted by: tommytime on Jan 19, 2007 3:53 PM   
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It might be true. Bush could be mad. He certainly appears to be stupid.
So how does a stupid man become President of the US?
Was he placed there by powerful friends?
I would say that seems likely.
In which case, who is in control? Bush or his powerful friends?
I would say his powerful friends.
And if that is true, it doesn't really matter whether Bush is nuts or not.
So who would his powerful friends be?
I'm no expert, but how about all the people who profit from his policies - Halliburton, Bechtel, Exxon, big pharma, major banks and credit companies, the IMF, the World Bank... the list goes on and on.
Again, I'm no expert, but there are researchers out there that will tell you that the power behind all these large corporations and international organizations rests in the hand of a small few.
Could it be that there is a small group of people, whose names we don't even know, who have more control over this country than we are aware of.
I think it is an important question - and it shouldn't be left to conspiracy theorists to figure out.
I would love to know what people think.

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» RE: It's A Nice Theory Posted by: azmtnman
A woman of a certain age
Posted by: The older woman on Jan 19, 2007 5:40 PM   
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It's about time we insisted that sociopathic lunacy is a valid reason to impeach a president. Combined the mental illness with all the illegal acts and the House could surely file Articles of Impeachment.

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Thoughts from the almond gallery
Posted by: fifthworld on Jan 19, 2007 8:43 PM   
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While we're at it I thought I'd borrow from George Carlin:

"[Bush is] all three! -- stupid, full of shit, and fucking nuts!! ALL THREE!!!"

Love and light to all.

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It's all 41's fault
Posted by: Donna_Darko on Jan 19, 2007 10:56 PM   
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43 never wanted to be President. He just wants to go back to the ranch to retire. 41 forced his sons to be President and Rove picked 43 instead of the governor of Florida. 43 put up with the pressure and instead of telling his dad how much he resents him, he takes it out on all of us. In fact, 41 put 43 into office with the Florida Supreme Court -- his other son's Supreme Court -- and his friend James Baker so it's 41's personal responsibility to remove 43 from office. This is parental pressure at its most sociopathic and dangerous.

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» RE: It's all 41's fault Posted by: azmtnman
» 41 is truly a wimp Posted by: Donna_Darko
How dumbstruck?
Posted by: Another CT voter on Jan 20, 2007 11:25 AM   
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"Talk about dumbstruck and unprepared and feckless and doltish! No, I don't think Little George planned the Trade Center attacks. If he had, he would have practiced a smarmy fake reaction, and he didn't."

No, Bush wasn't involved in planning the 9-11 attacks, but anyone who doesn't believe that his administration deliberately ignored warnings and did nothing to prevent some sort of an attack that they knew was coming, so that they could use it to consolidate power and start the war with Iraq they were planning even before gaining the presidency, just hasn't been paying attention. Remember the Woody Allen movie "Crimes and Misdemeanors"? The look on Little George's face when he was given the news of the attacks was the same as that on Martin Landau's character when he finds out that his gangster brother has carried out the murder of his mistress that he requested. It is the look of someone who realizes that something utterly horrible and irrevocable has taken place, and that he is responsible for it.

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FFFF
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Jan 20, 2007 11:21 PM   
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Yes indeed -- fuckin' Freud family feud. What a fraud presidency.

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The Worst President
Posted by: marrieah on Jan 21, 2007 9:24 AM   
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Don't forget the American Public's help in this fiasco!!!!
For the life of me, I will never understand the psycology behind the the ones who helped vote this ......??, whatever he is into office.

I can only think of the Carpathia character in the 'Left Behind Series' and Gaston of 'Beauty and the Beast 'fame in describing Bush. And the American public as faithful followers of BS.

To think that so many have been duped right in front of their eyes and still refuse to see the truth. I still believe that our government was involved in 9-11. Maybe you're right that Bush wasn't privy to that info, but CHeney and Rummy certainly was. And I believe it was all for oil. For Bush it was also about revenge.

I certainly hope that their shenanigan will be found out. I hope that the lot of them will be tried and convicted for treason in the highest order. However, instead of prison or execution, they should be exiled to whatever country will take them with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

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» RE: The Worst President Posted by: azmtnman
From a Marine....
Posted by: sage710 on Jan 21, 2007 8:28 PM   
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I agree that the article is thought provoking but I would have to disagree that Clinton was any better than Bush. I don't remember the complete economic policies that Clinton but I would have to say that Clinton can't take all the credit for a budget surplus. Most economic policies see results several years after they are passed. I have 2 problems with Clinton. First, his foreign policy regarding Somalia and Bosnia got people killed. He was the one responsible for the Rangers killed in Somalia in 1993. He set the policy to withdraw the Marines and most combat troops and then gave an impossible mission to the remaining troops. When I was in Somalia, with the 10,000 Marines, we had a strong control of the warlords and the humanitarian efforts. Clinton also got us involved in Bosnia, which we needed to be, but he didn't listen to the commanders on the ground. He told America that the troops would be only there for 1 year (home by Christmas), I think our combat troops left in 2000. So that was only about 4 years off his promise. Second, the Lewinsky affair, I won't trust a person who lies about having sex with an intern when that person is the most powerful man in our country. If he feels he needed to lie about that what else did he lie about and not get caught. Also, his whole argument about the definition of 'is' during his grand jury session was too much like covering up.

Granted that Bush has not done a very good job with Iraq, I don't think we should have gone but I do what I'm ordered. I feel we should have focused on Afghanistan before starting with Iraq. But I know that Clinton or Gore would have done a worse job trying to stop Al Qaida and terrorism.

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And the nuts he spawns...
Posted by: ContraryMary on Jan 22, 2007 12:01 AM   
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At present, I am being bombarded by viruses and hoax emails and obscene photos because I had the "nerve" to confront a gungho rightwinger by pointing out just a few of the many aspects of this article.

Dirty tricks consisting of an attack on my ISP, my email, and veiled threats from poor unsuspecting folks whose accounts that this maniac has hijacked.

He learned well at the foot of his "savior" Bush. Rove would be proud of him...

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Thugs With Crosses
Posted by: cognitorex on Jan 22, 2007 10:12 AM   
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(excerpt from My Funny Valentine February 04': a view of what was coming)

Thugs in suits,
wearing crosses,
speaking Jesus,
doing trash.

Blood of Inquisitors,
long cold,
warms

Thugs in suits,
wearing crosses,
speaking Jesus,
doing trash.

The Bush administration can be easily cast as a criminal enterprise. The USA invades a country for its oil. Cast as drug prescription relief the pharmas are enriched by billions. Touting "Savings' Accounts" a bill guttting social security was offerred, intended to enrich the financial industry. Oils were given billions in tax relief. The richest in the land were given trillions in tax relief as inducement and pay back for the several hundred millions dollars required for election expenditures to win elections.
How sad, sick, and cast-iron true this is.
Craig Johnson

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WatchDog
Posted by: watchdog on Jan 22, 2007 6:47 PM   
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Section 1 of 2. A late night comedian summed up many Bush topics when he declared, “information has a liberal bias.” The misrepresented and falsified information that has been systematically used to manipulate US policy by the Bush Administration represents an assault on the “free press” and the fundamentals of democracy. Implied through out the Constitution is the presumption that branches of government will follow truthful information and act accordingly. Politicians have given the truth short-shrift for the ages, but when does it rise to the level of “impeachable?”

Late last year, Clinton Administration reports on “Desert Crossing,” Iraq war games in 1999, were declassified. In April 1999 US Central Command, assisted by the departments of defense and state, National Security Council, Central Intelligence Agency and others, conducted a series of war games in order to assess potential outcomes of invading Iraq. The results were quite negative and alarmingly similar to what actually occurred. The report warned that invasion may cause regional instability with "rival forces bidding for power," "fragmentation along religious and/or ethnic lines," and antagonize "aggressive neighbors" Syria and Iran. The war games assumed 400,000 troops, versus the 150,000 actually used, and still resulted in a mess.

The report stressed that the creation of a democratic government in Iraq was not feasible, and that the numerous factions involved in the conflict would complicate an exit strategy.

Furthermore, immediately after the Bush administration took office the chief counter-terrorism expert of the Clinton administration, Richard Clarke, presented a December 2000 memo on al-Qaeda to National Security Adviser Condolezza Rice. Clarke's memo urgently requested a high-level National Security Council meeting to present a 13 page “Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida” regarding Bin Laden’s plans to attack targets in the USA, and the September 1998 Pol-Mil Plan (“Delenda Plan”) for al-Qaeda which remains classified. Rice demoted him and never called the meeting.

Now, Rice's denials simply mince the definition of “comprehensive” when denying that Clarke’s “comprehensive” strategy paper warned her of an attack on US soil. Corroborating this was the blithe dismissal of the August 6, 2001 PDB entitled "Bin laden Determined to Attack in U.S." Her arrogance may have cost the US nearly 7,000 lives between the 9/11 and the Iraq War.

The administration repeatedly ignored warnings from intelligence agencies, State Department, Energy Department, International Atomic Energy Agency, and UN weapons inspectors that their assertions about Iraq’s supposed WMD were overstated and connections to al Qaeda were just wrong, yet Cheney and Rice boldly continued reciting “they knew for a fact” the claims were true.

Heavy weights such as Paul Pillar said the Bush administration cherry-picked intelligence to justify the long made decision to go to war, and ignored warnings Iraq could easily fall into violence and chaos. (Paul R. Pillar was the national intelligence officer for the Near East and South Asia from 2000 to 2005 with 28 years at the CIA, was considered the agency's leading counter-terrorism analyst. He was responsible for coordinating assessments on Iraq from all 15 intelligence agencies.) He asserted, the administration went to war without requesting any strategic-level Intelligence Assessments on Iraq, and it was clear that official intelligence was not used in making the most significant national security decision. Continued to Section II.

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» RE: WatchDog Posted by: watchdog
» RE: WatchDog Posted by: watchdog
» RE: WatchDog Posted by: watchdog
George Bush uses neurotoxic Diet Coke (aspartame, methanol, formaldehyde)
Posted by: rmforall on Jan 24, 2007 10:25 AM   
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short aspartame (methanol, formaldehyde) toxicity research summary: Murray 2007.01.24
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1404


One liter aspartame diet soda, about 3 12-oz cans,
gives 61.5 mg methanol,
so if 30% is turned into formaldehyde, the formaldehyde dose
of 18.5 mg is 37 times the recent EPA limit of 0.5 mg per liter daily
drinking water for a 10-kg child:
www.epa.gov/teach/chem_summ/Formaldehyde_summary.pdf 2007.01.05
[ does not discuss formaldehyde from methanol or aspartame ]
http://www.epa.gov/teach/teachsurvey.html comments
teach@environmentalhealthconsulting.com


"Of course, everyone chooses, as a natural priority,
to actively find, quickly share, and positively act upon the facts
about healthy and safe food, drink, and environment."

Rich Murray, MA Room For All rmforall@comcast.net
505-501-2298 1943 Otowi Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages
group with 77 members, 1,405 posts in a public, searchible archive
http://RMForAll.blogspot.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1340
aspartame groups and books: updated research review of 2004.07.16:
Murray 2006.05.11


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1395
Aspartame Controversy, in Wikipedia democratic encyclopedia, 72
references (including AspartameNM # 864 and 1173 by Murray), brief
fair summary of much more research: Murray 2007.01.01


Dark wines and liquors, as well as aspartame, provide
similar levels of methanol, above 120 mg daily, for
long-term heavy users, 2 L daily, about 6 cans.

Within hours, methanol is inevitably largely turned into formaldehyde,
and thence largely into formic acid -- the major causes of the dreaded
symptoms of "next morning" hangover.

Fully 11% of aspartame is methanol -- 1,120 mg aspartame
in 2 L diet soda, almost six 12-oz cans, gives 123 mg
methanol (wood alcohol). If 30% of the methanol is turned
into formaldehyde, the amount of formaldehyde, 37 mg,
is 18.5 times the USA EPA limit for daily formaldehyde in
drinking water, 2.0 mg in 2 L average daily drinking water.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1286
methanol products (formaldehyde and formic acid) are main cause of
alcohol hangover symptoms [same as from similar amounts of
methanol, the 11% part of aspartame]: YS Woo et al, 2005 Dec:
Murray 2006.01.20

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1143
methanol (formaldehyde, formic acid) disposition: Bouchard M
et al, full plain text, 2001: substantial sources are
degradation of fruit pectins, liquors, aspartame, smoke:
Murray 2005.04.02

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