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Transforming Fear into Power: The Politicization of Child Sexual Abuse

By Ingrid Drake, AlterNet. Posted January 7, 2007.


Politicians trying to gain points are pushing laws to "get tough" on child sexual offenders. But a new movement has a better idea -- work with offenders instead of ostracizing them.

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Trailing in the polls a week and a half before Election Day 2006, then-Governor Bob Ehrlich (MD-R) announced new funds to track sex offenders. The press secretary for Ehrlich's opponent, Martin O'Malley, called the move "clearly political."

It is hard to find a campaign anywhere -- for Attorney General, Senate or School Board -- where one candidate is not pronouncing that another candidate has been too soft on pedophiles. This follows a national trend -- from California to Wisconsin to the U.S. Congress -- of the passage of "get-tough-on-offenders" legislation. Republican state representative from Georgia, Jerry Keen, captured the mood when he said, "We want to make it so tough, that [child sex offenders] are not going to live in Georgia once they are released."

Yet those most impacted by child sexual abuse -- survivors, their supporters, and those who work with perpetrators -- are critical of these new public policies, saying they do little to address the enormous problem. The United Nations reported last year that 150 million girls are sexually abused each year, (14 percent of the planet's child population), as well as seven percent of boys.

Largely ignored by both the mainstream and progressive media, a grassroots movement is empowering communities to prevent and respond to child sexual abuse (CSA), while holding perpetrators accountable.

Facing Our Own Monsters

Articulate, passionate, and regarded by her peers as an effective advocate, Gianna Gariglietti, Executive Director of Citizens Against Sexual Assault (CASA) in Harrisonburg, Virginia, was invited to join a Task Force for developing the state's sexual violence prevention strategy.

As part of her training, Gariglietti was asked to attend a speech by a man who sexually abused children 20 years ago. "I didn't want to do it," recalled the counselor who has provided services to child and adult survivors of sexual violence for years. "I just thought, ugh."

Gariglietti pulled along a co-worker and attended the workshop, which ended up dramatically changing the way CASA did its work. "It was an unbelievable experience ... hearing offenders, who are in recovery say, 'I didn't want to do this, I wanted some help. When someone called me out on my behavior, I was relieved,'" recalls Gariglietti, the mother of a young son.

For years, CASA's staff had responded to phone inquiries for help from perpetrators, or potential perpetrators, with a quick and cold, "I'm sorry, we don't do that here. Good bye." After the conference, and a partnership with conference sponsor Stop it Now!, a national prevention organization, CASA became more aware of services for perpetrators. "Now we're more likely to say, 'We don't do that here, but here are some resources that you can turn to,'" explains Gariglietti.

The MA-based Stop it Now! has been working for years to dispel what it considers the dangerous practice of demonizing child sex offenders. "The stark truth is that more often than not, people who sexually abuse children really are 'nice people' who commit monstrous acts," reads one of its monthly newsletters. "Our wish to place them squarely in one camp or the other is perhaps the greatest single barrier that prevents us from recognizing the behaviors that lead to sexual abuse."

CASA, a nine person organization serving Central Virginia, is now in partnership with the Virginia Department of Heath, which identified CSA as a statewide public health crisis after finding 1 in 4 women and 1 in 5 men have been victims of child sexual assault.

From its office in a red brick building, nestled in the Shenandoah Mountain valley, CASA's programming more closely reflects the realities of CSA: young people under 18 years of age perpetrate 29 percent of assaults; and almost half of the perpetrators were identified as family members, and only 10 percent were strangers.

CASA is doing more to counsel families where one child is victim and another child is a perpetrator, a key priority for many who know the issue well.

"There is a lot of attention on 'the sicko,' and we do not often deal when he is one of us," says Aishah Shahidah Simmons, who recently produced the documentary film NO! about African American women's experience with sexual violence. "It's not talked about in mainstream press, even in alternative press ... about what to do when it's your brother."

Stop it Now! has been leading a shift from focusing prevention programs on children, which for years has held them responsible for speaking up about abuse, towards educating adults how to identify and respond to abuse. Like it has done in other states, Stop it Now! is collaborating with the Virginia Department of Health on a public marketing campaign with posters, radio advertisements, and roadside billboards featuring an adult holding hands with a child, with the words: "It doesn't feel right when I see them together," and Stop it Now!'s toll-free help-line for those who suspect abuse among friends and family.


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Ingrid Drake is based in Washington, DC, where she reports regularly for Free Speech Radio News. She is also an active member of the DC Radio Co-op, sound gathering and conducting community training. Listen to an hour long documentary Ingrid Drake produced on the politicization of child sexual abuse.

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Who commits abuse?
Posted by: Boronia on Jan 7, 2007 10:22 PM   
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In 90 percent of child sexual abuse cases, the child knows and trusts the person who commits the abuse.Most sexual abusers — the ones we know about and the ones we don’t — are fathers, mothers, step-parents, grandparents, and other family members (uncles, aunts, cousins). They’re neighbors, babysitters, ministers, teachers, coaches, or anyone else who has close contact with our children. We can’t tell who they are by the way they look. What they have in common is that they thought about sex with children and then acted on those thoughts by sexually abusing a child. We know that child sexual abuse is happening all the time everywhere in the country.This means that adults and teenagers who have sexually abused a child live in the same neighborhoods, shop in the same stores, and use the same Laundromats we do. We may know them personally as part of our family or extended family, or in our circle of friends and neighbors. But we may not know about their sexual activities around kids. It’s hard to face the fact that someone we know — and even like —might be a sexual abuser.

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» RE: Who commits abuse? Posted by: richholland
You cannot be serious!
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jan 7, 2007 11:12 PM   
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People who would rape a child are as sick and dangerous as a dog with rabies..they should be carefully put to DEATH. It does not matter who they are-fathers, brothers, mothers-or how sorry they are-their act has placed them outside the human race, and they can do no one any good.
They no longer have any rights...except the right to die.

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» Just gas 'em all! Posted by: cvstoner
» RE: Just gas 'em all! Posted by: amananta
Lakelandbob
Posted by: lakelandbob on Jan 8, 2007 12:47 AM   
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FYI - a very good programme was developed some years ago at the HollowWater Reserve in northern Manitoba - it was developed mainly by the women of the reserve at the instigation of the children who insisted that something be done to stop abuse.
A programme 'The Four Circles of HollowWater' has been written up and is available through the department of the solicitor general of Canada.
Basically it seeks to protect children - and all victims of sexual abuse - by using the traditional spiritual teachings of the first peoples in conjunction with the best learnings of modern psycbology and other disciplines.
The idea is that you don't stop a brush fire by stomping on it - in fact that only spreads it!
We non-natives could learn a lot from that and similar ways of dealing with the underlying causes - such as getting rid of the idea that children are property - rather than trying to cover over the symptoms.

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» RE: Lakelandbob Posted by: SekhmetsatRa
What the hey?
Posted by: tellner on Jan 8, 2007 2:01 AM   
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"Work with" those scum?

These are almost always relatives or acquaintances who abuse trust and power over children. They go to great lengths to deny that there is anything wrong with what they do. "She asked for it." "He seduced me." "It was good for them." They do incalculable physical and psychological harm. And they are pretty much all repeat offenders unless they are caught the first time.

Maybe some can be trained not to abuse children. Perhaps brain surgery can cure some as seems to be the case in one person with a brain tumor. But they are the exceptions.

These sad excuses for human beings deserve our strongest condemnation and sternest punishment not some sort of collegial relationship. And they must certainly be kept away from children at all costs.

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» RE: What the hey? Posted by: ezilla
most of these comments
Posted by: cul on Jan 8, 2007 3:07 AM   
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...demonstrate exactly the problem the article is trying to address; as long as perpetrator's of CSA are simply demonized, no solution will be forthcoming. Such hysteria surrounding the entire topic of CSA is a major part of the problem.

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» RE: most of these comments Posted by: richholland
» RE: most of these comments Posted by: richholland
pedophilia
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Jan 8, 2007 3:16 AM   
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"child sexual abuse" has a name, pedophilia. it is incurable. i lived next door to a pedophile for 5 long years... you cannot help them. they see nothing wrong with their behavior. i protected my kids, but they weren't allowed out without me or my husband, ever.

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Same old
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 8, 2007 3:46 AM   
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None of these "get tough" policies have anything to do with kids, crime, or safety.

Politicians know that coming up with new ways to torture criminals is always a career booster. Voters' lust for blood is a constant. Help for victims doesn't feed on that, so it doesn't have the same appeal.

While your senator is tied to a motel bed, and a hooker is slapping him with a dead fish, he's thinking: "Hey...I have an idea for my next campaign."

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» RE: Same old Posted by: richholland
Pedophiliacs cannot be "cured"
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jan 8, 2007 5:53 AM   
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I know of no program that has proved effective in "curing" child abusers, and I am a rape care counselor,so I am familiar with the research. This is nonsense. I have no pity for child abusers, and the postings suggesting that are written by ignorant people.

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» RE: Pedophiliacs cannot be "cured" Posted by: richholland
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» RE: Pedophiliacs cannot be "cured" Posted by: Bloodwedding
» RE: Pedophiliacs cannot be "cured" Posted by: mountainmama
to Alternet-this is offensive
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jan 8, 2007 5:58 AM   
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To Alternet-this is offensive and should be pulled.

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» RE: to Alternet-this is offensive Posted by: Pocahontas
yOU HAVE AN OBVIOUS MENTAL PROBLEM AND YOU SHOULD SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP
Posted by: mat38 on Jan 8, 2007 6:11 AM   
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Seriously.

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Unfortunate
Posted by: Bloodwedding on Jan 8, 2007 6:11 AM   
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It is unfortunate that Ms. Drake neglected to mention the work of others in California who are attempting to provide real protection for victims of abuse and not just therapy for recalcitrant offenders against children. That neither California chapter of the National Association to Protect Children, PROTECT, nor the California Real Safety Coalition were mentioned is ridiculous. It is also a glaring error that while she criticizes efforts like ankle bracelet offender tracking (as does PROTECT when done in lieu of real supervision), she fails to mention successes like the recent passage of the Circle of Trust bill which eliminated California's "incest exception" that had previously allowed thousands of predators to avoid real accountability for their crimes against children.

She's right inasmuch as we ought not to tolerate politicians who do not step up to the plate to offer real protection for the victims of sexual assault. But offering therapy instead of real protection puts children at risk. I'm not the first to say it: sex predators can't be saved.

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Mark Foley and his Republican enablers should be in prison
Posted by: mat38 on Jan 8, 2007 6:13 AM   
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That's what it's all about, right? Never mind the victims just throw the the perps in jail to feed the prison industrial complex, make corparations more money and ignore the root of the problem and the victim.

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You Can't...
Posted by: Gisele on Jan 8, 2007 6:23 AM   
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rehabilitate anyone who believes they're doing nothing wrong! And a good number of pedophiles believe exactly that. They use many different rationalizations for what they do, and they change them often..rather like a mutating virus.

Bleeding hearts hear a pedophile say, "I didn't mean to," "she was asking for it," "he wanted me to"...or any other number of lines, and fall for them every time. Some of those numbers include psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, crisis intervention personnel...all the way up to Supreme Court judges! These folks, along with parents - are supposed to be the people protecting our children...yet they continue to open the door to them with their "I know better than you" attitudes.

How does a 3 year old girl "ask for it"..when she merely asks the next door neighbour to help her learn how to tie her shoe? HOW..does an adult construe that as..."Teach me about sex." He taught her alright.

How does a 7 year old girl go on with life, when she has been so physically damaged that she has to have all of her childbearing organs removed AT THE AGE OF SEVEN - because of the damage her "teacher" did? What can you do for her when a simple knock on her door terrifies her, and she lives in terror of the day he gets out of prison...How can a sane adult justify that? How can anyone in the justice/reform sector believe that he's worth anything more than 50 cents worth of lead? I don't know..but in both cases their sentences were halved by a bleeding heart judge. The same judge.

To those who believe they will be the ones to "turn things around" for the pedophile...help them be all they can be ad nauseum...try looking at, working with and helping those that need it...THE CHILDREN! Who will bear the brunt of this bleeding heart stupidity? The children. Of course. Has it ever changed?

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Variation of an empty stomach makes a bad democracy
Posted by: anothername on Jan 8, 2007 6:44 AM   
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Just as hunger can drive poor electoral choices based on which candidate is promising to feed the people regardless of how it is done, the emotions of sex blur the discussion of sexual predators, the sex trade (including movement of people), and less intentionally harmful behavior.

I hear many parents and grandparents insist that there be no rights for sexual offenders. I do not believe that sexual offenders should be hand slapped, but I also cringe at how easily civil liberties for everybody can be lessened as we take out one group, then another group, then another group.

We have certain laws that can (or should) apply regardless of the sexual nature of the crime. Violence is a crime. Kidnapping is a crime.

Should we differentiate between sexual predators, sexual abusers, and sexual exploration? That is, can we differentiate between people who intentionally seek out children for sexual actions, family and friends who abuse sexually for whatever reason, and the younger abusers who also get caught up in lifelong sexual crime lists because of a single mistake?

This is an issue that has many sides, many options, and too much emotion in the discussions.

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survivor here
Posted by: kenhymes on Jan 8, 2007 7:07 AM   
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I'm a survivor of repeated brutal sexual abuse as a child. I'm male, and it was committed by women, people known to the family but without the knowledge of my family. I have spent many many years working through phases of recovery and healing. I'm married with children, and praise God have not experienced desires to abuse children. I have experienced a great deal of fear, pain, anxiety, panic, and confusion about my sexuality, and an overwhelming fear of letting my guard down in realtionships of any kind.

My situation is somewhat atypical but not unique by any means. A few observations from my own point of view: very few victims turn out to be perpetrators as adults, but almost all perpetrators were victims. Thus there is a cycle, a link between the crime and the abuse suffered by the perpetrator, but it is a complex and not-yet-understood link. Talk of execution and life-terms, and castration... these things only bury the problem deeper.

I have a great deal of trouble forgiving those who abused me, but I also know that revenge and punishment are not the answer. Safety for children comes primarily from prevention, and removal of known perpetrators from opportunities. Jails are failing to deal with all crimes, they won't do any better with this one.

We are so happy to use sex to promote commerce, we allow legal pornography that emulates child abuse in many ways (submissive, shaved, skinny women), we worship youth as a synonym for beauty, we discuss sex as a "need," orgasm as the source of all happiness. This problem is only partly one of the individual criminal. The perpetrators are doing evil, damaging things, and must be dealt with in a way that offers some hope of redemption (so that relatives will be willing to turn them in) but also protection for children - that in itself is a huge and difficult task. But we are deluding ourselves if we focus exclusively on the illegal and abusive activities of those few. We are a culture that is deeply sick about sex, and the new openness has not cured that as was promised by the reformers and "liberators." We need to find ways of protecting ourselves from ourselves without succumbing to teh old secrecy and repression. This will take many generations if it happens at all. No new law or new tactic is going to fix this: it's about who we are as a culture and as people, not about a technical or legal solution.

Please know that revenge and anger may feel good, but they wouldn't have helped me or the many victims all over the world. Light on all of it, that's a part of the answer. Don't drive it all further underground, as we have done with drugs and prostitution to no avail, merely nurturing more virulent forms of the sickness.

God's grace and healing to all who have been victimized. Healing is possible.

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Sadly....
Posted by: Robba29 on Jan 8, 2007 7:54 AM   
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Child abusers have the highest rates of recidivism than ANY other category of criminal. I'm all for rehabilitating drug users, doing away with the death penalty and giving (some) convicted murderers another chance. But those who prey (whether that be any 'fault' of their own) on the weakest and most vulnerable of society are sick. This is where I draw the line. It's close to 90% that an offender will offend again--even with therapy. The statistic has always stood out in my mind from my early criminology classes. Sadly, rehab is not an option, here.

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More Abusers In Government/Institutions Than in Private Sector
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jan 8, 2007 7:58 AM   
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If you look at recent scandals and history you'll see that there is more systemic and outrageous abuse by government officials then is found in the private sector. Look at the number of police, child protective services, elected officials, royalty, teachers, priests, and sports coaches found to be sexually molesting children. Look at the gay boy prostitutes that visited the White House, the call-boy ring operated out of Barney Frank's apartment, The FRANKLIN COVER-UP, the recent bizarre sex paedophile abuse rings in France, Belgium, and Italy. The UN 'peace keeping' sexual prostitution and sex trade scandal in Africa and Kosovo. And, of course, the whole Catholic scandals. Often these 'people' seek out powerful positions in schools, churches, or institutions because they can implement their perversions and gain access to children. More often then not those people 'in charge' are worse than the citizenry in their perversions and use their power to 'help each other out' in their acts.

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giving REAL help rather than grandstanding
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 8, 2007 8:28 AM   
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Politicians taking the high road and yakking about "getting tough" on this issue (and others like it) may get applause, but let's put our money where our mouth is and do some things that really help, such as:

raising the minimum wage and economic and job opportunity in general. That way maybe some of these mothers/parents can find jobs that help pay for good daycare, or so that some of these women aren't forced to live with potentially abusive partners for economic support.

Providing vastly expanded support for services such as homeless and battered person shelters, and expanded and easier access to counseling for victims and women who need help with dealing with situtations that they suspect abuse.

Increased investigation and monitoring of some of these cult-like right-wing religious groups that have supported the present administration

A liveable welfare program for mothers and families that need it, rather than treating the need for welfare as a moral failing

Leaving solutions to the problem to be decided by experts in the field, rather than sensationalist media and oppurtunistic politicians.

Of course, much of the above would require increased spending on social programs and (oh horror!) possibly a rescinding of some of the upper-class tax breaks. And this is something that so many of these blow-hard politicos---with all their yakking about "family values"---suddenly get cold feet.

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typical Amerikaan response to a problem
Posted by: DaBear on Jan 8, 2007 8:49 AM   
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Important piece. Typical Amerikaan response to a problem: beat the shit out of it (or whomever we feel "causes" it). "Tough on crime" works so good the prison industry is now a multi-trillion dollar biz... that's Kapitalism, that's Amerika, woo hoo!

I'm waiting until the Mer'kaans have killed each other or imprisoned each other to death so I can inherit their land.

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What about the children?
Posted by: cmaciain on Jan 8, 2007 8:56 AM   
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I'm waiting to see who is going to lethally inject the children who make false reports of child abuse (and please don't say there aren't any.) After all, those reports have destroyed lives as well. Who wants to put to death the child who lied? After all, kids do know lying is wrong. I bet no one here would call for the child's death yet they're all for killing someone who is most likely a victim themselves. There are no easy answers but screaming for blood won't help anyone.

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No sympathy
Posted by: mountainmama on Jan 8, 2007 9:44 AM   
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As a victim of sexual abuse as a very young child...toddler actually...I have not one ounce of sympathy for abusers, regardless of the factors involved. I am 62 years old, and definitely NOT playing the victim role.

I have seen, heard, know of and know from my own experience, not one abuser who was penetent or wanted to be caught. In fact, they refused to acknowledge it or flaunted it, refusing to get help when so many tried to get them help.

Although I am sure there are exceptions, I am just not buying this. In fact, the politicians calling for stronger actions aren't strong enough, IMHO!

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remembering the McMartin case
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 8, 2007 10:27 AM   
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I remember the McMartin case of the 80's, where there were wild accusations of child sexual abuse at a day care center. There was like a 2 year trial and millions of taxpayer $$$ spent and in the end nothing was proven. I do remember lots of criticism about how it was a hysteria similar to the Salem Witch trials. Things like "leading" questions asked of children by "investigators", politicians and attorney generals seeing an opportunity to grandstand, etc. There was even Geraldo Rivera getting on tv and making wild claims about a nationwide "conspiracy" of child abusers, if I remember correctly. But I am sure it was good for his ratings.

Just wanted to bring this up to the discussion group, as an illustration of how things like this can be taken too far.

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Creepy feeling
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jan 8, 2007 10:34 AM   
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I get the feeling a lot of the posters here calling for 'understanding' of these people are child abusers themselves.

I am all for helping everyone possible...these people are beyond help. The first post was called 'offensive' by a poster. What is offensive is not the post...but that such a thing happens to children and that is the reality we are discussing here.

One man in California raped a little girl and cut off her arms and left her for dead and was sent to prison. After several years...he was released...and he killed a woman!~I am sure all the social workers thought he was 'cured'.

We are not talking about drug addicts and bank robbers here, we are talking about people with sick hateful violent minds..who go after our most innocent and helpless-children.
Shoot the bastards!

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RE: I feel so sorry for those adults who fuck kids in the ass...
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jan 8, 2007 10:39 AM   
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These words are the truth. This is what happens. It is not the words that are offensive...it is the people who do such things to children.

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So, like, where does the Author, or her sources
Posted by: brotherjonah on Jan 8, 2007 12:50 PM   
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Ever CONDONE pedophilia, or beg leniency?
What the author stated, many times in the post, was the need for prevention of this, and preventing other kids, themselves victims, from repeating the cycle. And that the current set of Kill them All laws and politicians would have the reverse effect of never being to Identify the victims, and getting help so their lives are not permanently messed up and so they themselves never make the transition from Victim to Victimizer.

Of course there is a serious flaw in the Kill Them All theory, lots of them actually. How will you determine exactly who is guilty and who is not?

The mechanics of lynching guarantee that you will kill innocent people. Even the legalized murder as presently practiced by the Government casts a wide net.

How many of you who believe in the System actually believe, for instance, that Michael was innocent?
Even though a jury found him not guilty.
And since most of us are registered voters, that means we get called for Jury Duty.
When you, with your Everybody Accused is Guilty attitudes, take that oath when the Jury is sworn in, the one that says you will judge fairly and without preconceived notions of either guilt or innocence, you will be guilty of a crime yourself. Perjury.

As to the charge leveled by at least one of the Kill Them All crowd, that
"those who don't support killing them all or whatever, are probably molesters themselves"

Yeah, right. Look folks, I have actually been in Jail with convicted sex offenders.

You know the quickest way to spot one in Jail? He will be the one spouting off the loudest about what he would do if he ever got a baby-raper in his sights.
IT'S A DEFENSE MECHANISM PEOPLE. It is designed to draw focus away from his own guilt.

So now that I have slandered you thusly, try to think of a really GOOD method of how you would determine the guilt of each offender and prove it beyond any doubt before lynching him/her?

Telling us to trust the system doesn't fly with me.
The Goldbergs and Sacco and Vanzetti trusted the System.

How does anybody trust a lynch mob to stop at anything?
Once you have gotten rid of the ones you "just know" are guilty, who do you go after next?
YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T JOIN THE LYNCH MOB IS A BABY-RAPER!

So who do you lynch next, anybody who you merely suspect is such? Lynch anybody who doesn't join the Mob?

That would be literally a Hell of a world to give to the kids.

But you are only doing it to protect them right?
Kind of like Homeland Security with their lynch mob attitude.

After all, if you have done nothing wrong, why should you fear the Secret Police, Comrade?

I put that last one to cheese off the Far Right, you can substitute the Gestapo and whatever the Nazis used as an equivalent of Comrade.

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Pedophlilia is not curable but it is treatable
Posted by: vendura on Jan 8, 2007 1:35 PM   
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I am a therapist involved in a sex offender treatment program. We continue to track all clients who complete our treatment program and we find that the recidivism rate is less 7%. This data agrees with figures provided by the justice department here. http://www.csom.org/pubs/recidsexof.html

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hjjku
Posted by: ekipnrut on Jan 8, 2007 1:37 PM   
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There are two relatively simple concepts that may shed some
light on some of what a reasoned course of action, intended
to reduce the incidence of child sexual assault, must involve:

1) Any Family Court ..coast to coast..has as FUNDAMENTAL
operating praxis:THAT WHICH IS DONE IS THAT WHICH
IS IN THE BEST INTEREST(S) OF THE CHILD.
In bitter custody battles, name change battles, DV abuse,
etc.,etc. The child's..not Mommy's...not Dad's...not the
Grandma's....the child's best interest(s) control.
Example: A working single parent mom can't afford day
care for her 7 year old daughter...so the little girl stays
in the car while mommy pulls her shift. If mom is found
out, the DSS case worker WILL remove the girl from
mom's custody until such time as the daycare situation
can hopefully be resolved. The interest of the child dic-
tates this definite proactive measure, even though
the agent of jeopardy is a loving but judgement
impaired by stress mom!
Must not society at large, as a matter of policy,be at least
as proactively protective of children when dealing with
sex offending child molesters as it (society) is in the case
of an economically beleaguered mom's lapse of sound
judgement?? I think we know the answer. (I hope)

2) Children are especially V-U-L=N-E-R-A-B-L-E by
the fundamental theorem of KNOWN FACT.....what
planet are some ..not all..of you people living on??
Because children ARE just that..CHILDREN..that cohort
must be provided heightened protection in consideration
of judgement and defensive cognitive skills they simply
have not developed..as a toddler...as a 7 year old boy..
......as a 14 year old girl. (In America- IMHO- a 14year
old girl is a CHILD notwithstanding the never ending
campaign of MSM executive child molesters to $$$$$
promote$$$$ her sexuality as a consumer commodity)

Therefore any community's CSA program must prioritize
as essential and primary the proactive in defense of the
children AND the presumptive in accordance with the
known recidivism rates of offenders. PERIOD

As to what to do with the offender population??
Is there a statistically compelling effective treatment?
Apparently not.
Another question: is the incest raping brother to be put
in the same boat as the 40 year old strangermolester??
What's the difference between being raped by a sibling
and raped by a stranger???
.....My gut says shoot 'em (the molesters)...BUT some
of the points raised in the posts thus far do merit con-
sideration on cold blooded practical-not 'bleeding heart-
grounds. (SOME of the damn points...not All)
I don't know.....I don't see a simple solution....

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Clarification and comment about treatment
Posted by: ekipnrut on Jan 8, 2007 1:47 PM   
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I forgot to title my post...I was using the hhjk whatever as a
temporary title while I edited with preview ...
I guess the post just before mine answers one of my questions.
But somehow the assertion...no disrespect to the poster...
rings hollow. ...SOMETHING doesn't add up here....

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Proper Identification of Pedophiles is Essential.
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 8, 2007 3:31 PM   
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As a psychologist having done some work in this field, one of the biggest problems is the failure of the system to properly identify pedophiles accurately. For example, the current system would label a "sexual offender" a 40 year old man who meets a 17 year old girl after correspondence on the internet. Depending on the state, it would label as a "sexual offender" an 18 year old man having sex with his 16 year old wife. So, there needs to be some logic applied and not a blanket approach, in my opinion. As for the actual pedophiles themselves, the child pornographers and especially those who rape or molest little children, they should be humanely kept away from society for some time. This population has very mixed results in rehabilitation. So, first, properly identify pedophiles and label them as "sexual offenders," then humantely isolate from society, which in some cases, may need to be done indefinetly.

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Leave us not forget..
Posted by: brotherjonah on Jan 8, 2007 5:44 PM   
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There is another bizarre little twist the Lynch Mobs have forgotten...

Since the statistics are compiled differently, for sex offenders, by different agencies, and usually reflect the statements made under interrogation, and therefore skewed, no reliable numbers can be found to support just about any position about sex offenses.

EXCEPT for serial killers.

These are the special breed of Violent Sex Offenders whose stories fuel the Lynch Mob's rhetoric to begin with.

The causative factors common to Serial Killers are

1. Strong fundamentalist religious background.
2. A related strong taboo against sexuality.
3. An obsession with sexuality.
4. Extreme guilt feelings about sexual urges.
5. A projection of his own guilt feelings onto others, one hates most in others what he regrets most about himself.

Sort of like the bozo's who attack or kill prostitutes, or who kill homosexuals, or MOST importantly, people they perceive as being sexually deviant.
Torture and murder are a form of rape, I have no doubt about that.
The young man who was tied to a fencepost and beaten and left to die, because he was gay, in Wyoming a few years back? He was also sodomized by his supposedly "straight" attackers. Yet the Haters, like Pastor Fred, have people convinced that these three-legged bitches were in fact performing a service to God by raping and killing young Matthew, and urge Christians around the country to send money onto their commissary accounts, to show support of these "Christian Warriors"

Hey, I am a Christian. I deeply resent people telling me that God, or for those who don't believe in Him "Good" dictates that we kill people for their sins.

If you can't figure out how this relates to the desires of some to Kill or otherwise assault anybody from a long list of potential victims, not limited to Sex Offenders. Well, I pity you. Not enough to let you do as you please though.

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Sex Offender Laws
Posted by: zman6919 on Jan 8, 2007 8:48 PM   
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Links:
* http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm
* http://sexoffenderinfo.pbwiki.com
* http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/

Read the rest of this here:
http://sexoffenderinfo.pbwiki.com/#OtherIssues

* I am sick of politicians using children to get their laws passed! Who would want to vote against anything that is "for the children"?

* If the sex offender laws are kept, why discriminate? If sex offenders must suffer for life and be on GPS, so should ANYONE with a criminal record. If this is not done, then it is discrimination. Anyone with a criminal record should be on a registry on the internet for the whole world to see, and be on GPS for life. DUI offenders should not be able to live XX feet from an alcohol store and should have their license revoked. Drug dealers should not be able to live XX feet from anywhere children congregate, so they cannot sell our kids drugs. Murderers should not be able to life XX feet from ANYONE, since they may kill again. DUI offenders kill more people than any other crime (I believe), and I'm sure the entire public would love to know if a murderer, thief, drug dealer, etc lives in their neighborhood. If all this was on the internet for all to see, I'm sure everyone would NOT leave their house at all. These people are everywhere. Why are sex offenders being "scape goated"? EVERYONE WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD SHOULD OBIDE BY THE SAME LAWS SEX OFFENDERS HAVE TO OR IT'S DISCRIMINATION!!

* "Buffer Zones" are a false sense of security!

* "Buffer Zones" are banishing people from their town, state, and possibly the country!

* "Buffer Zones" create homelessness, which costs society lost productivity, individual dignity, and creates additional problems for enforcing any accurate registry!

* "Buffer Zones" do nothing, except banish! If someone wanted to re-offend, they'd just get in a car and drive!

* These laws protect nobody!

* "Stranger Danger" is a smoke screen & hype! Most child sexual offenses occur by someone the child knows, like a family member or close friend!

* These laws are being passed by politicians using sex offenders as scape goats, for votes!

* Registries do NOT protect anyone or prevent crimes!

* Registries are punishing sex offenders as well as their families and children, and opening them up to vigilantism. DON'T THE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN OF SEX OFFENDERS COUNT? They are suppose to be "for the children", right?

* Registries are NOT being updated in a timely fashion, so the public is getting false information! How is this helping the public or protecting them when they cannot rely on them?

* Registries are putting families and children of sex offenders in a public position to be socially outcast and discriminated against with regard to employment, housing, schooling, etc!

* About 90% of the people on the registry are NOT sexual predators or pedophiles that these laws were for in the first place!

* These laws cost millions, if not billions to enforce, and they cause prison over-population, which is already a problem, especially in California! AND TAX PAYERS PAY FOR ALL THIS!

* GPS does not prevent sexual crimes! Another false sense of security which cost tons of money! Plus they are suppose to pay for this, which will eventually go homeless. MAKE THE TAX PAYERS WHO WANT THESE LAWS TO PAY FOR THEM!

* These laws cause sex offenders to go underground and into hiding, due to the strict nature of the laws! How is this protecting anyone?

* These laws are all abount money for law enforcement and votes for politicians. Prison is a business! Politicians are salaried and want elected/re-elected! Law enforcement get paid for people in jails, prisons or on the registry!

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All the Christians
Posted by: ccEd on Jan 8, 2007 9:31 PM   
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What a kick to see all the venomous responses to this article. While the effects of child abuse on children is profound and lifelong, these responses do nothing to prevent abuses by first time offenders, and little to prevent serial abuses.

Simple minded people want simple minded solutions -- that don't ,and never have, existed.

Such a Christian nation, eh?

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There is no Treatment for Child Rapists
Posted by: amananta on Jan 8, 2007 10:03 PM   
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The apologism for child rapists in this article makes me literally ill. There is a way to solve the problem of sex offender registries and dangerous predators in our communities - lock them up in prison for life without parole - even if they are a "nice guy" or the child's brother or father or uncle. And whatever you do, don't go to encounter sessions with perpetrators of horrific violence against children and listen to what they have to say - they are liars. All of them. Do not listen to them - do not trust them - do not believe them. Protect children by keeping these scum locked up forever.

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Could part of the problem be...
Posted by: Gisele on Jan 9, 2007 6:45 AM   
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that pedophilia is a sexual orientation..as much or more than a sexual aberration?

If it is an orientation..it will be cured about the same time as all other sexual orientations...the twelfth of never.

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