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Sam Harris's Faith in Eastern Spirituality and Muslim Torture

By John Gorenfeld, AlterNet. Posted January 5, 2007.


The best-selling author of "The End of Faith" may argue against Christianity, but he is also supportive of phenomena such as reincarnation and ESP, and calls for "compassionately killing" the "Muslim hordes."
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Sam Harris's books "The End Of Faith" and "Letter To A Christian Nation" have established him as second only to the British biologist and author Richard Dawkins in the ranks of famous 21st century atheists. The thrust of Harris's best-sellers is that with the world so crazed by religion, it's high time Americans stopped tolerating faith in the Rapture, the Resurrection and anything else not grounded in evidence. Only trouble is, our country's foremost promoter of "reason" is also supportive of ESP, reincarnation and other unscientific concepts. Not all of it is harmless yoga class hokum -- he's also a proponent of waterboarding and other forms of torture.

"We know [torture] works. It has worked. It's just a lie to say that it has never worked," he says. "Accidentally torturing a few innocent people" is no big deal next to bombing them, he continues. Why sweat it?

I wanted to interview Harris to find out why a man sold to the American public as the voice of scientific reason is promoting Hindu gods and mind reading in his writing. But we spend much of our time discussing his call for torture and his Buddhist perspectives on "compassionately killing the bad guy."

In 2004, Sam Harris' award-winning first book said society should demote Christian, Muslim and Jewish belief to an embarrassment that "disgraces anyone who would claim it," in doing so catapulting him from obscure UCLA grad student -- the son of a Quaker father -- to national voice of atheism.

"The End of Faith" may be the first book suitable for the Eastern Philosophy shelf at Barnes & Noble that somehow incorporates both torture and New Age piety, and offers pleas for clear scientific thinking alongside appeals to "mysticism." The old-fashioned brand of atheist, like the late Carl Sagan, argued eloquently against religion without supporting rituals and ghosts.

Harris, however, argues that not just Western gods but philosophers are "dwarfs" next to the Buddhas. And a Harris passage on psychics recommends that curious readers spend time with the study "20 Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation."

Asked which cases are most suggestive of reincarnation, Harris admits to being won over by accounts of "xenoglossy," in which people abruptly begin speaking languages they don't know. Remember the girl in "The Exorcist"? "When a kid starts speaking Bengali, we have no idea scientifically what's going on," Harris tells me. It's hard to believe what I'm hearing from the man the New York Times hails as atheism's "standard-bearer."

Harris writes: "There seems to be a body of data attesting to the reality of psychic phenomena, much of which have been ignored by mainstream science." On the phone he backpedals away from the claim.

"I've received a little bit of grief for that," he says. "I certainly don't say that I'm confident that psychic phenomena exist. I'm open-minded. I would just like to see the data."

To see the "data" yourself, "The End of Faith" points readers to a slew of paranormal studies.

One is Dr. Ian Stevenson's "Unlearned Language: New Studies in Xenoglossy." The same author's reincarnation book presents for your consideration the past life of Ravi Shankar, the sitar player who introduced the Beatles to the Maharishi. He was born with a birthmark, it says, right where his past self was knifed to death, aged two.

Making the case for the "20 Cases" researcher, Harris sounds almost like "Chronicles of Narnia" author C.S. Lewis, who said Jesus could only be a liar or the Son of God.

"Either he is a victim of truly elaborate fraud, or something interesting is going on," Harris says. "Most scientists would say this doesn't happen. Most would say that if it does happen, it's a case of fraud. ... It's hard to see why anyone would be perpetrating a fraud -- everyone was made miserable by this [xenoglossy] phenomenon." Pressed, he admits that some of the details might after all be "fishy."

Another book he lists is "The Conscious Universe: The Scientific Truth of Psychic Phenomena." "These are people who have spent a fair amount of time looking at the data," Harris explains. The author, professor Dean Radin of North California's Institute of Noetic Sciences, which is not accredited for scientific peer review, proclaims: "Psi [mind power] has been shown to exist in thousands of experiments."


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You Don't Have To Be A Religious Nut To Be An Ugly American...
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Jan 5, 2007 12:23 AM   
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it just seems that way in a lot of instances. But Sam Harris is living proof that belligerence and irrationality respect no sectarian boundaries.

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hung up
Posted by: rsaxto on Jan 5, 2007 12:41 AM   
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Sam Harris is so hung up on scattershot unorthodox spirituality that he has lost contact with inherent human compassion and real rationality. He is one twisted brother. But he is correct that Rapture, etc. is bullshit. He is a little correct and a whole lot incorrect, a poor role model indeed.

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Controversy = book sales
Posted by: Strephon on Jan 5, 2007 1:25 AM   
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This is just a screwed up guy who is trying to make his ideas as provocative and controversial as possible, in order to sell as many copies of his books as he can. I doubt whether he actually cares what he writes, or knows what he believes.

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I used to
Posted by: ryazbeck on Jan 5, 2007 1:43 AM   
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In some ways I like Sam Harris and in some ways I don't. The more I read the end of faith the less I liked him, he does seem very biased and controversial in alot of his views and it does seem like he wants attention. He does also seem to dislike muslims more than he dislikes christians, which is silly, considering what he says his views are. And his evidence on that supposed metaphysical stuff probably isn't much more concrete than the evidence that the stories in the bible were true.

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Let's keep our eyes on the larger truth
Posted by: Moonray on Jan 5, 2007 2:25 AM   
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No one is perfect. I also was disturbed by Harris' unorthodox views on torture and mysticism, but that's no reason to dismiss the tremendous good work he's done with his two groundbreaking books on the tyranny of religion.

He and Dawkins have voiced the frustration and outrage of millions of us rational folks who are fed up with the evils of religion and impatient with those who continue to empower it even though they should know better.

Of course, most religion is not about religious belief at all. It's about tribalism -- our most primitive social instincts dressed up in fancy vestments and fueled by self-righteousness.

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Voltaire
Posted by: PEEK on Jan 5, 2007 3:02 AM   
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Wow, I don't know what to say to the Moonray comment. Torture sucks, sure, but he makes some cool points about religion... Wonder if you'd be so kind to Rumsfeld's, Yoo's or Gonzales' "other" philosophies...

I see Harris as a threat to atheism, a very valid thing. Once you jump to saying that religion is evil, or intrinsically bad, you are on the right wing bandwagon. Atheism ought to rise from its infancy and pull out the pacifier. Letting the bleating of religion-bashing continue makes it look very, very, well, like the religionists they abhor...

Moving on... I'm glad Gorenfeld's first-rate article referenced Voltaire, who was not, contrary to common wisdom, an atheist. He was a deist:

"What is faith? Is it to believe that which is evident? No. It is perfectly evident to my mind that there exists a necessary, eternal, supreme, and intelligent being. This is no matter of faith, but of reason."

Free lollipops to the first commenter who says that if he were born today he wouldn't believe this...

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BS
Posted by: Magginkat on Jan 5, 2007 4:18 AM   
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It seems that the writer of this article is a master of double talk and total bullschitt. I would say he was related to George Bush but he does handle a lot of big words better than our village idiot. Maybe this is a draft for Bush's new stay the course crap.

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I just discovered alternet and I'm glad I did
Posted by: Spartacus2007 on Jan 5, 2007 4:19 AM   
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I am a recovering catholic who also had a less than stellar experience with a seminarian when I was maybe 14. That was then, this is now. In my quest for healing, I have explored Religious Science, Unitarian Universalist, Buddhism. I've read John Shelby Spong and John Dominic Crossan. Recently I happened upon Freedom From Religion Foundation. They featured an interview with Sam Harris. What struck me about those who oppose religious institutions is the lack of compassion for humanity in general. I am an EMT. I don't discriminate. When the pager goes off, I go. I don't ask what a persons religion is. I just try to open the airway and make sure the heart is pumping. Religions have been responsible for great evil and suffering and at the same time have done many good things. I worked in Louisiana after Katrina and Rita. I didn't see Sam Harris, but I did see religious groups. At the same time many religious groups cause great suffering to women. I guess there needs to be evolution within religion. Keep the good. Get rid of the bad. Spong's book 'Sins of Scripture' is a good step in the right direction. Crossan's 'Jesus a Revolutionary Biography' is a wonderful book that looks at the human side of Jesus. There are scholars trying to tweak out the real Jesus, not the creation of Constantine and the Roman Empire. Anyway, I appreciate Alternet's thoughtful article on Sam Harris. As for the torture, Jesus words do unto others as you would have them do unto you are meaninful whether you believe he was a god or just a man.

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harris, a typical nazi
Posted by: ramontrane on Jan 5, 2007 4:34 AM   
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The kind of reasoning this lunatic is using is similar to the one used by Hitler and its hordes of thugs. So many contradictions and hate make Harris another "little fascist american."

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Sam is THE man...
Posted by: uncleboko on Jan 5, 2007 4:48 AM   
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Nobody is perfect. But pointing out imperfections without a balancing appreciation of the overarching brilliance of the man is just spin doctoring: Like discrediting Einsteins theory of relativity on the basis of his womanizing, or Mother Theresa for her failures in promoting gender equality.

Harris and Dawkins are spearheading an assault that should have been made a generation ago. The fundamentalists can - and should - be discredited. There are few things more repugnant than theocracy and the world will be a better place if organized religion is slapped down and put in its place.

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Sam Harris
Posted by: sgfell on Jan 5, 2007 4:53 AM   
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What utter garbage. I wonder if the man even knows what he's talking about.

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» Sam or John? np Posted by: mdruss42
Agenda?
Posted by: cynicaloptimist on Jan 5, 2007 5:06 AM   
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As much as I like AlterNet, I can't help but detect some kind of agenda in this article. Sam Harris is undeniably difficult to swallow, particularly when he comes out swinging against "liberals" and their "tolerance" of religious differences. And while his manichaean approach can be frustrating, his core premise is no doubt correct: religious dogma (i.e. faith), despite the good it may seem to do, is (like any other human enterprise that forces you to delude yourself) simply bad for humanity in the long run. What's interesting about Harris is that he has undeluded himself so much people can't understand or relate to him anymore, and yet he's not afraid to keep saying (out loud!) what he must know will be misinterpreted, particularly with respect to relative morality (something religionists often don't "get"). For this reason I tend to agree Harris can be bad for atheism, particularly after reading somewhat skewed articles as this. I recommend people read, at a minimum, Letter to a Christian Nation for it's clear-headed arguments for reason. If you continue to read The End of Faith keep in mind the guy's not afraid to admit there are things we don't know about the universe, but all we have to go on is the evidence we have so far.

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Avoiding self-torture
Posted by: nonduality on Jan 5, 2007 5:11 AM   
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Harris speaks of the value of nondualism as taught in the Buddhist tradition. Nondualism is about knowing who you are. That knowing is very difficult for most people. It is, in fact, self- torture. We do whatever we can to avoid it. Finding the faults of a group of people is one way. Such an approach makes the fault-finders feel nice, normal, and accepted. We transfer our own need for torture -- which would bring us knowledge of who we are -- elsewhere.

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Another Frightened Christian
Posted by: oakgroveinn on Jan 5, 2007 5:27 AM   
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Mr. Gorenfield's list of published stories on AlterNet -- up to and including this one -- speaks to his center, which is scared and judgmental, exclusionary and hypocritical. I wish him true enlightenment.

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» RE: Another Frightened Christian Posted by: JohnGorenfeld
He's a sicko
Posted by: mat38 on Jan 5, 2007 5:34 AM   
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Typical of our pop culture society. America has become a disgusting place.

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Wait - Do You Mean To Tell Me...?
Posted by: grumble-bum on Jan 5, 2007 5:39 AM   
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... That Atheism too boasts celebrity-hungry, hateful, self-contradictory morons within it's ranks as well?!?

Say it ain't so!

I am shocked, shocked, Alternet. How dare you imply that the Fundieathiest Sect has it's own share of dubious Selfish-Helpers! You had almost finally brow-beaten me into the belief that Atheism was the One Truth, founded on pure, perfect (if blatantly condescending) Logic. Wherever should I place my blind faith now? What's next, an admission that there may be actual decent human beings among the ranks of the Republican Party?

I'm sorry, Atheist Youth, I just can't resist...

"Where's your (no) God now?" ;-)

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Sam Harris and his own Religion
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 5, 2007 5:57 AM   
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Sam Harris seems to want to jettison Religion while at the same time, keeping a personally defined religious belief that boils down to a mish-mash of ideas he has selected. His mish-mash is factually inaccurate when he maligns Muslims or sees Buddhism just as a "tuning in" to peaceful mental states. He is a bit like a very disappointed scientist, who when he cannot find God, still has to make him up somehow. At any rate, who cares, except if people listen to him or his justifications for torture and the like.

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We Don't need no more religion: We are dying from lack of
Posted by: wawa on Jan 5, 2007 6:00 AM   
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SPIRITUALITY; which connects us to God within ourself and all of Creation.

Religion gives the rules, dogma and doctrine and has been used to divide people and control them.

Spirituality liberates and connects.


The following is excerpted from
"Memoirs of a Nice Irish-American 'Girl' in Occupied Territory"

Before Emperor Constantine brought Christianity into the mainstream, all the early Church Fathers taught that Christians should not serve in the army but instead willingly suffer rather than inflict harm on any other. St. Augustine was the first Church Father to consider the concept of a Just War. Within 100 years after Constantine, the Empire required that all soldiers in the army must be baptized Christians and thus, the decline of Christianity began.

With the justification of war and violence supplied by Augustine’s Just War Theory, wrong became right. Nothing much has changed in two millennia, for in today’s Orwellian world politicians claim the way to peace is through war and that nuclear weapons provide protection. I don’t care who wears the uniform, or how noble they believe their cause, war is the ultimate form of terrorism for any civilian caught in the crossfire of violence. Even as a kid, I could not understand the logic that promoted the need for Hiroshima and Nagasaki to save American lives; and why there was never a mention of repentance for the innocent that died. Eisenhower warned America not to bind our economy to the Industrial Military Complex. But, like most prophets, he was ignored.


In 313 AD, Emperor Constantine legitimized Christianity and thus, those who had been considered rebels and outlaws began to enjoy political power and prestige. Jesus’ other name is The Prince of Peace, and with the marriage of church and state, his true teachings were reinterpreted. The justification of warfare and the use of state sponsored violence corrupted what Christ modeled and taught. Jesus was always on about WAKE UP! The Divine already indwells you and all others. Christ taught that to follow him requires that one must love ones enemies; one must forgive those who hate, curse and revile them, without a thought of payback.


"Memoirs of a Nice Irish-American 'Girl' in Occupied Territory" will be in print Feb. 2007
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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Harris seems odd in his torture claim
Posted by: Jesse on Jan 5, 2007 6:16 AM   
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Let's put his claim that torture works to the test. In 1690 several people were tortured in Salem, and gave all kinds of evidence that people around them were witches. Maybe Harris' belief in psychic phenomena will explain how people who had never mentioned this before were suddenly seeing the light, but I gues they were all in on the witch conspiracy. But the people tortured testified that women flew through the air and sickened cows. I guess somewhere between now and 1690 we lost that particular technology.

Yes, torture works. It lets the interrogator hear what he wants to hear, and forces the tortured to tell them what they want to hear. That what the torturer wants to hear might diverge from reality Harris doesn't seem to understand.

We don't just oppose torture on moral grounds--we do so on practical grounds. If I torture people into telling me something I will never know if they are telling me what they think I want to hear as opposed to the truth. Just because I believe that someone planted a bomb in the Empire State Building doesn't make it true-especially if I am tearing out his fingernails.

End of story.

Now, this means that you have to weigh what people tell you answering questions against, oh, I dunno, reality. Like evidence. It actually helps catch people once in a while. That's why our court system, which can seem so illogical to non-lawyers, is designed the way it is. The point is to make sure information isn't tainted, by planting evidence, for example (this is why there are loads of rules about the chain of custody of evidence gathered at crime scenes).

But people like Harris don't get it. They are caught up with their own brilliance. This guy isn't an atheist any more than I am a practicing Hindu. He's a mishmash of Neitzsche, spiced with Deepak Chopra and Voltaire, and mixed badly with Dawkins and Huxley.

Sheesh. The guy doesn't even seem to understand that when legit scientists were looking for ESP phenomena in an experimental setting, they found nothing. The experiments have been done, and the results are no better than chance. The xenoglossia phenomenon has been debunked long ago.

(The short version is that humans have similar noses, vocal chords and throats. Given that, any string of sounds I make can be parsed into words in some language, someplace, and it is likely to even make sense if one is very generous about syntax).

Guys like Harris belong in the dustbin of the self-help section.

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» RE: Harris seems odd in his torture claim Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
Of Silk Purses and Pigs Ears
Posted by: jmjost on Jan 5, 2007 6:21 AM   
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Let's not compare Sam Harris with Richard Dawkins. The former is an intellectual midget next to the latter. I read half of "The End Of Faith", got pissed off by his cruelty and never read "Letter to a Christian Nation".

Harris tries to talk about torture AND about his supposed Buddhism. What a joke. The Buddha was totally -TOTALLY- non-violent and never condoned any kind of violence, much less torture.

And since Harris missed it: the foundation of Buddhism is the Four Noble Truths, which are: the existence of suffering, the causes of suffering, the cessation of suffering, and the path to the cessation of suffering. No room for torture in there.

I'll read Dawkins and forget Harris.

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» Yes. One wonders... Posted by: HeroesAll
Hmmm...bias?
Posted by: tweedster on Jan 5, 2007 6:31 AM   
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I've read various pieces on Sam Harris, although none of his major publications at this point. This article however, seems to cherry-pick its points the exact same way it accuses Harris of doing.

This doesn't seem like a news piece, but rather a personal and unbalanced attack aimed at discrediting Harris.

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Only in America
Posted by: Sam Thornton on Jan 5, 2007 6:44 AM   
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...can one make a comfortable living, achieve fame, and reach high office despite being a raving lunatic. I suppose a Fox segment featuring Mr. Harris and Pat Robertson would count as "balanced", no?

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No holy grail
Posted by: Beck on Jan 5, 2007 6:49 AM   
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I thought some of the ideas in The End of Faith were fascinating, although I didn't agree with alot of it. Maybe we don't need to look for The Truth in anything anyone is writing about these subjects, but become more willing to read critically, let our own ideas be shaken up when they need it, and be able to say, "hogwash" when an author is totally off the wall. Americans on both sides of these debates often seem to look for an all-or-nothing reiteration of what they already believed to begin with. I wish to high heaven that Harris didn't think the nonsense he thinks about torture and Muslims (and he wouldn't were there a chance in hell that he himself could ever face such things; it's really easy to approve of what you'll never encounter and he's like many Americans in this regard) because his interesting thinking about the problems religion has caused could him seem at least readable to more people.

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Heidi
Posted by: hhunt on Jan 5, 2007 6:52 AM   
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It is sad that Mr. Harris knows only of the Christian beliefs of the right. There are Christians who are spiritual, meditative and who believe in the ability of the mind to connect with what is not seen in the universe. hmmmmm - some just might see prayer as a mystical experience. Christianity is about community, can the same be said for Eastern religions and the paranormal?

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Paradox of the ideological hangman
Posted by: hquain on Jan 5, 2007 7:03 AM   
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"Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."

Is this meant to be one of them?

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