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Pig Hearts for Humans: What the Public Needs to Know About Biotech Risks

By Heather Gehlert, AlterNet. Posted January 3, 2007.


In her new book, Intervention, former NY Times technology columnist Denise Caruso talks about the risks of life on a genetically engineered planet.
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Turn on the TV, open your Internet browser, or click on your inbox and chances are you’ll find an alarming story alerting you to the possibility some new hazard: cancer-causing toxins in your deodorant, mold spores in your kitchen sponge, radiation from your cell phone -- the list goes on.

In an age of information overload, it’s tempting to tune risks out entirely, especially when even the scientific community can’t seem to come to a consensus on some things: One day eggs are good; the next, they’re bad. One day hormone replacement therapy is healthy; the next, it causes cancer.

But, what if you knew that, instead of one product putting you at risk, an entire field of technology was? That’s what former NY Times technology columnist Denise Caruso tackles in her new book, Intervention: Confronting the Real Risks of Genetic Engineering and Life on a Biotech Planet.

Caruso doesn’t use scare tactics -- she doesn’t need to. Instead, she merely points out the risks of living in an age when scientists are recombining DNA from multiple species, experimenting with tissue regeneration by growing human ears on the backs of mice, and looking seriously at pigs for human heart transplants. Even more eye-opening, these innovations are occurring in the near-absence of oversight and with little attempt from government regulators or scientists to educate the public.

So what is life like on a biotech planet? AlterNet interviewed Caruso to find out.

AlterNet: Why did you write the book?

Denise Caruso: Mostly I wrote it because I was shocked by this ongoing schism between the people who were against biotechnology and the people who were in favor of biotechnology. I thought, well, this is supposed to be science, right? It should be neutral. But these sides weren't neutral. They were so different and antagonistic that I wondered, What were they looking at? Then I realized they must looking at different factors -- or, rather, looking at the same thing in different ways. So, that's when I started to dig into the whole idea of risk.

By risk you mean --

Denise: The probability that a hazard will come to pass. Risk isn't a hard concept, but it's hard to measure, and that is where communication breaks down. For example, one day about five years ago I was talking with Roger Brent, who is one of the most macho molecular biologists on the face of the planet, and we got into this conversation about genetically modified food, which I refuse to eat. And Roger said, 'Why won't you eat it? Don't you know that you could eat 10 kilos of genetically modified potatoes and nothing would ever happen to you?" And I said, 'You don't actually know that. You guys don't know anything about the long-term effects of these things. You don't know what happens after it passes through my gut and goes back into the water -- you don't know any of this stuff. And I was actually really surprised that he said, 'OK, you're right, we don't. But how can we protect people and not stop progress at the same time?' And that's one of the core questions I try to address in Intervention.

So how do we walk that tightrope? How do we protect people without inhibiting progress?

We have to redefine risk and rethink how we evaluate it. Calculating risk is tricky with biotech. You have all of these new and very complex systems that we've created that are all coming into contact with each other, trying to interact, and you don't have any historical data to tell you what will happen when they do. What ends up happening is that we are asking scientists to provide a statement of safety or risk about biotech products, but they don't have any data to back up those statements.

In your book you discuss other models of risk analysis -- models that assess chemical or toxic risks. Why can't those models be applied here? What is it about biotech and genetic engineering that calls for special attention and a new method?

Actually, I limit the risks I talk about in the book to transgenic organisms, living things that have been engineered to contain genes from another species. And there are a lot of different ways to parse that. So, I'll take the easiest example: If you look at why the EPA got started and the work it does today, it's looking at chemical toxins -- lab tasks where you keep adding one more drop of something into a tube, and figure out that at three parts per billion of this or that chemical, someone's going to get sick or they're going to get cancer or they're going to die. It's sort of a threshold thing: You find out how much of the substance will create some kind of effect -- some kind of negative effect. But that doesn't apply to transgenic organisms. There's a big difference between manipulating chemicals and manipulating living organisms.


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Posted by: rsaxto on Jan 3, 2007 1:13 AM   
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We need biotechnology managed for maximum benefit and minimum risk for all the people instead of biotechnology managed for maximum benefit for a few corporate CEOs.

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In A Pig's Eye
Posted by: Abushite on Jan 3, 2007 3:15 AM   
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The author of this claptrap should research the subject before
putting her foot in her ...

Parts of pig's hearts have been used in human heart repair for decades - Not an oink has been heard.

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» RE: In A Pig's Eye Posted by: hotar
» Uh ... yeah ... "Chimera Pig" Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: In A Pig's Eye Posted by: denise caruso
» "I want to live" Posted by: MAD
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» RE: In A Pig's Eye Posted by: Joyleaf
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» RE: In A Pig's Eye Posted by: duck-lady
» RE: In A Pig's Eye Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
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» RE: In A Pig's Eye Posted by: launcher
The Problem with Regulation
Posted by: marxalot on Jan 3, 2007 4:30 AM   
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The point of regulation - all regulation - is to serve the broadest public interest. Since corporate interests and government protocol have been genetically fused, there is no longer functional input from the third group: the general population. There is regulation though. Corporations regulate the government.

If you have any good ideas for innovative crowd control technologies, I can probably get you a grant.

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» RE: The Problem with Regulation Posted by: willymack
» RE: The Problem with Regulation Posted by: grrrampop
otto
Posted by: otto on Jan 3, 2007 5:55 AM   
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"Risk isn't a hard concept; but it's hard to measure."
I guess there have always been some risks involved in every new invention, unknown and hard to measure, but often important for human progress. The printing press got more people reading, but much of it became propaganda. Gas driven engines created more pollution than we expected. Electricity caused fires and other accidental deaths. In our world today, "experts" argue over which risk is greater - global warming or an economic crisis. What is needed is a higher form of wisdom that can weigh all the evidence fromn different disciplines and make a wise long-term decision for the common good of all people at all times.

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Technology Has No Morality
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 3, 2007 6:52 AM   
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Technology is neither moral or immoral. Profit seeking companies and enterprise usually have few morals, which is exactly where the problem resides.

A number of years ago a large food company packed up infant formula banned by the FDA and sold it in third world countries. It is not an isolated example of corporate conduct. Does this tell you anything about corporate morality?

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» RE: Technology Has No Morality Posted by: grrrampop
» RE: Technology Has No Morality Posted by: grrrampop
» RE: Technology Has No Morality Posted by: mwildfire
great article!
Posted by: henderson on Jan 3, 2007 6:54 AM   
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You are doing a super job of getting the truth out, Denise. I'm impressed.

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» RE: great article! Posted by: denise caruso
They made fun of Jenner...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 3, 2007 6:54 AM   
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...when he suggested smearing cowpox on people to prevent smallpox. The French word "vaccine" was a slight taunt--"to cow" a person--because the idea was that ridiculous.

I absolutely understand why those holding ultra-greens belief structures oppose medicine. Their ideal world is one in which they and 350M of their closest friends "share" the world in harmony with Gaia. One of the most obvious ways to get the world back to their defined carrying capacity is to roll back the clock on medical technology.

So, while it's easy to see why the ideological ultra-greens want to deprive the world of cutting edge medical research, I don't understand why anyone else would want to sacrifice themselves or their neighbors by supporting such goals. Well, I mean, I could maybe see how the rigid creationists ("those germs !!!ARE NOT!!! mutating, so we !!!DON'T NEED!!! no stinking new-fangled medicine") could throw in their lot with the ultra-greens--similar fundamentalist belief structures ant all--but that's still a tiny, tiny fraction of the population. Both ideologies require that we become progressively more ignorant to get a larger showing, which is a good--or bad, considering the shape of our schools--thing.

Really folks, if Jenner, Pasteur, Saulk and Sabin had been "plagued" by such ideologues, we'd still be dying of polio and smallpox. The live attenuated polio vaccine--by today's standards--would never have been approved, and Jenner and Pasteur would have been thrown in jail.

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» Bad example ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» Of course you're right. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Meh... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Meh... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Gold Standard? LOL Posted by: Krain61
» Science is not everything. Posted by: Krain61
» One and the same... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» As Derrick Jensen says... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Baby steps... Posted by: ABetterFuture
RE: Otto
Posted by: Joyleaf on Jan 3, 2007 7:23 AM   
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I agree with some of that, but I think that the distribution question is really, really important here. I study development, and it's really heartbreaking to look at a history of many, many catastrophes that have occurred that were not only preventable but fixable with access to resources just a short distance away.

The food situation in particular is something of a nonexistant crisis already--there's plenty of overproduced food that is burned or dumped every year, to ensure prices stay within certain ranges in certain places. There was an article in the Economist in the last two weeks about organic food, and how this loses us a lot of ground in the environmental realms by requiring more land to grow organic foods on. Basically, by pumping fewer chemicals out into the land, and by farming less intensively, we are required to chop down the rainforests to make more fertile fields.

I call bullsh*t. There's enough food already, there really is, and it's being destroyed to keep things on an even keel for agribusiness, mainly.

So how do we need to make more food with transgenic organisms? We don't--there's enough food already. People don't need to starve, and people don't need to dump unkowns into the environment and ourselves to prevent starvation. We just need to get real about a few things, not the least of which being those massive stockpiles of food destroyed as a market mechanism, and the subsidies that helped put them there.

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» RE: Otto Posted by: Joyleaf
The patent-driven rationale behind the biotech industry
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 3, 2007 7:22 AM   
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Let's consider a beneficial medical result of genetic modification: the cloning of the human insulin gene into bacteria, so that it can be produced in large quantities for those who suffer from type I diabetes. Note that the insulin is purified from the bacterial soup, and noone is eating the bacteria used to produce the insulin protein.

Now, consider the uses of genetic modification in agribusiness - it's all about patenting organisms in order to control markets, for one thing - that's why Monsanto introduced 'Terminator' technology (which prevents second-generation seeds from being viable, thereby forcing farmers to go back to Monsanto for their seeds). Another example related to controlling markets are "Roundup-Ready" soybeans, corn, etc - in this case, the plants are resistant to the herbicide glyphosate, which is then spread on fields in large quantities - polluting streams, but making money for the petrochemical industry, which also owns the seed companies.

There are even companies who are taking agricultural plants and introducing DNA bar codes for the sole purpose of patenting those strains. The real issue here is whether a living organism can be patented - which is possible because of a 1980 court case. It's really an abuse of what patents were intended for.

Getting back to the insulin case, note the big difference - with plants, you are eating the whole organism. With the human insulin gene, the insulin is purified after being produced by the bacterium. The genetic modification methods are slapdash; they use what are called 'strong promoters' that can end up scattered all throughout the genome. This can result in all kinds of aberrant metabolic activity, mutated proteins, and so on - and you get to be the guinea pig for these experimental food crops.

Ever hear of Starlink corn? It was engineered to produce a bacterial toxin poisonous to insects - and is unfit for human consumption, or animal consumption for that matter. What's ridiculous in this case is that the EPA asked Aventis CropScience, the owner of the patent, to conduct safety studies on the crop... apparently the EPA doesn't know what 'conflict of interest' means.

Furthermore, these crops are not "more productive" or better then traditional food crops - they are patented, however, which means they are completely controlled by big agribusiness concerns, who can sue any farmer found growing them without a contract - even if that's due to GMO pollen landing on the farmer's fields. It's all about ownership.

The bottom line is this: any food item that contains genetically modified foods should be clearly labelled as such - something the patent-crazed biotech/agribusiness sector is terrified of. Write your senators and ask that they introduce legislation of this nature.

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» Small point wrt Monsanto/Terminator Posted by: ABetterFuture
» you burned way to many! Posted by: Krain61
"Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology."
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jan 3, 2007 9:02 AM   
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sorry, I just thought it had to be said. Why don't they make good television programs anymore?

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Pig hearts for humans is nothing new. Considering
Posted by: SamFox on Jan 3, 2007 9:58 AM   
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what we have had on Capitol Hill for the last several decades.

Tax & spend, "pork" barelling, PAC $$, the very expensive lost war on drugs & on we could go. Bigot piggyism comes from pig hearts & is equally present in both "parties".

SamFox

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» drug enforcement...lol Posted by: Krain61
distribution AND population
Posted by: dancerkc on Jan 3, 2007 10:08 AM   
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Yes distribution is a major problem, not overall supply but I need to note that population is also a problem. If we solved all our distribution problems and kept them solved, the population would keep growing until we do indeed have supply and waste-disposal problems killing us off. Veggies are no solution either because (as a single solution, as often proposed) they leave off the population growth problem.

Nothing ever stays still. Solve the seemingly most visible problem and the rest of the landscape changes behind your back. Oops! We have to design solutions which fit "everything changes" landscapes - similar to designing web pages to "degrade gracefully." No single-point solutions. ("wedge" solutions?)

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Bio-Tech Freaks{I'll Take Green}
Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 3, 2007 3:49 PM   
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There is so much chemicals dumped on this planet each year and then in our food..How can any sane person think thats good? If so get a job in a Chemical plant and when you get cancer don't get on here and tell us you just don't understand how it could of happend to you..Take for instance how people dump there lawns and see there dogs getting cancers and tumors..DAAAA Then worse they will still use it and say to there kids ..Hea there's a yard out there go let the kids play there because there's nothing out there but grass and they can't hurt.YEA RIGHT! How soon we forget.I have a rule! No weeds ! Not a healthy lawn!
Oh yea natural green and not treated green is always better.

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This is just a test!
Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 3, 2007 4:35 PM   
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Go to a all natural store and eat all natural for one month.All natural meat also.
And if you can find a friend who lives away from the city for that month and get them to let you stay there away from the pollution. And then go back to eating one meal at your micky d's or buger kings and back to the smog..As FOXs says we report you decide...You'll get sick to your stomach from that crap.And it's at that point you'll know how much poisons they put in you.. Remember this is just a test..And you would be even better if they have a spring instead of tap water{floride}which has toxis waste in it.They tell you it's good..What is it?It's not a mineral! It's a by-product and your there disposal place..I won't use tape water except for showers but even then it's very bad..Remember if it touches your skin it soaks in..Would you rub aids on your skin? Not knowingly!

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Maintain a healthy skepticism
Posted by: Artaraxl on Jan 3, 2007 5:03 PM   
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The book sounds reasonable, but it's important to discourage knee-jerk negative reactions from liberal-progressives regarding biotech. Otherwise it's a bit like the religious right's opposition to stem-cell research.

I.e. See Princeton Prof. Lee Silver's new book, Challenging Nature

I personally find this quote from the interview hard to swallow and would like more details:

A lot of legitimate researchers have asked very legitimate questions about what was happening out in the field of transgenic organisms, and they lost their research funding and people wouldn't publish their papers.

Oh? Such as?

--Axl

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» RE: Maintain a healthy skepticism Posted by: denise caruso
more hairshirt fakeleft "lords of discipline"
Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Jan 3, 2007 6:43 PM   
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fakeleftists are religious fundies of a different sort. Ya got the evangelicals over here, fighting against biotech cuz they gotta have something to yell about, plus they are fascists. They are the Lords of Discipline of the Right.

And then ya got the green-fundies, who are simply a different species of Lords of Discipline.

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Manufactured species
Posted by: Gregor on Jan 3, 2007 6:50 PM   
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Genes and viruses can adapt and change and it takes millions of years. We suffer now from the effects of too much technology. Does anyone remember the Thalidomide deformaties? As far as a pig's genes, there are some religions that would reject that solution due to their religion. Amish and Jewish generations can trace their genes back to their initial beginnings. Changing our genes may introduce more problems in the long run. What if the changes don't sit well with the rest of their environment? Didn't she say that in the article? How these changes when they pass through her might change and they didn't know those changes? Change can be good. But change always has a dark side. People on Alternet are always accused of being Cassandras. Why are people saying Woe is Me? Why? Because we humans commit hubris when we with limited understanding change things that took evolutions to evolve. What should we do if we destroy "the Mold of Man"? We don't have enough intellect to change things with perfect understanding. We don't have enough technology to change things back if they go horribly wrong. It isn't negative to look at the dark side first. It is better than being like Icarus and flying into the sun.

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"democratic" science?
Posted by: jmp3954 on Jan 3, 2007 7:50 PM   
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The notion that science should be somehow "democratic" is more than a little disturbing. Do you really want a herd of ignorant yahoos deciding what is a proper subject for scientific investigation and what is not? Given the appalling ignorance of the most basic scientific principles among the vast majority of the population of this country, and indeed the word (think of the vast numbers who believe in faith-healing and astrology and ancient astronauts), that is a truly frightening proposition. Science must not be constrained by any political or religious ideology. It is interesting how much in common the crackpot eco-Luddites of the left have in common with religious fundamentalists. They are both, at their cores, enemies of rational thought.

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» Okay.... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
means to an end
Posted by: schewtschenko on Jan 5, 2007 1:31 AM   
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It seems to me that the divide – if it exists – is to do with how each one reacts to the mystery of us being here at all.
Because of our human limits and because we have for so long been convinced that we are the central reason for creation (!) many minds don’t seem to have the scope to connect with Infinity at all.

The word ‘eternity’ is not a direct link to an earthly religion.

Who are we??? Billions continue to be created at random and arrive here for no reason known to them. We who are already here, pretend to understand and explain the world to them instantly and tell them what is thought and not thought here. The child body then apes and absorbs and obeys or goes to prison.
That’s the situation.

The riddle is: Whether to build the thoughts of your mind and your actions on a future based on the idea of Mortality or on one of Eternity? Are we continuing after death or will we die?
W e d o n ’ t k n o w.

Nature is non man-guided continual change.

In the cosmos , a seemingly, self-steering perpetual dynamic has been set in what appears to be perfect motion.
It doesn’t need us. If we destroy ourselves it will do something else.
It suffers no lack of resources, no lack of imagination, no lack of information.
The stunning phenomena of the cosmos is proof of something.
It contains truth. It is not running from death.
Fantastic things happen when the time is ripe.

Why try to usurp control?
Does anyone want to be in charge of their blood circulation, tissue regeneration, etc every moment?

Human reasoning is trimmed around an 80 year lifespan - all the things we can get in that period.
What false reality are we in?
Should we consistently break things we have not made?
Consider where warfare has brought us.

All we are at present likely to do is to destroy our species. After hard centuries of struggle to pass on the secret contained in the genes, the seed that holds our past and future. I don’t believe we are aware or enlightened enough to take charge. If we were we would not want to take charge.

As a secondary ethical consideration –
Should any one be allowed to experiment on the atmosphere, water or food on a grand scale?
Is it in any way just or correct to alter the natural conditions we are all born into without the approval of all who will have to face the consequences?

Should anyone be taking irreversible decisions on anything?
I think not.

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Maggie mae
Posted by: Maggie mae on Jan 13, 2007 10:01 PM   
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We are living a pandemic here and now....! This book raises points and makes you think, but I believe it is too late. There are millions of people right now that are infected with a gm chimera bacteria. Many persons show little symptoms but then there is this whole other world sub population that is symptomatic to the hilt....We are suffers of a man made disease and it goes by The Fiber Disease or Morgellons....It is on 6 continents, and is so bad, you can't even get the CDC to give anymore than lipsynch. There are thousands of people in the USA alone, that have been diagnosed as DOP because "the powers that be" do not know how to go about fixing this one.....and it would shut the entire industry down. Oklahoma State's Dr. Wymore got onboard, but has since been muted....CDC and the state of Georgia also publically announced investigations and research...they too, have been silenced. What we know is that multi-species chimera (bacteria a/o protein) somehow are growing in our bodies, and exhibiting variant mutant evidences of each species. It's about biosensors, optical fibers, and nanoprobes. Our bodies are manufacturing long filaments which are fluorescent, and heavy polymer type material. Nothing in any FBI forscenic lab can identify. C3 bioweapon. It targets dna. Go to www.rense.com, skip the junk but go to Morgellons Database....listen to the latest audiotape #6, and also look at the photos. Now, tell me with all the high tech in the research labs, they will not utter a word regarding this. Money talks or doesn't talk - whichever is more beneficial to them. Make sure you wear your blue bracelet stating you will not be a recipient of artificial alternate species blood, or you may find yourself in a completely different reality.
There is a lot of good information on blogs about this, moreso than the "foundations" who are nothing more than researchers. Know this, babies, horses, cats, dogs and other afflicted species can't conjur up a DOP...even if they wanted to. The government is lying, and trying to cover their backs on this one...Another site that you will find this Out Of Control Biotech Horrific Disease explained is Biology-Online, Human Biology Forum, The Fiber Disease. With biofilm bacteria that has moved in to a host (you) when the same bacteria, say with a different virus inserted is manufactured, it finds you...This is not any stray target, I assure you. Pay attention, the author is.

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