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Global Warming is Here. Now What?
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Examining 24 major ecosystems that support human life, scientists found that 15 are "being pushed beyond their sustainable limits," toward a change that will be "abrupt and potentially irreversible." Humanity's genius at economic development has taxed our ecosystems to the point where we face "imminent ecological and economic crises."
Economically, the world is booming. Steel, aluminum, vehicle production and Gross World Product set records in 2005, as did Internet usage and cell phones. Unfortunately, the production of atmospheric CO2 concentrations, the main greenhouse gas, is also booming -- 2004 measured the highest annual increase ever. Average temperatures in 2005 were the hottest ever recorded on the earth's surface, the warmest in 10,000 years.
Warming has led to the destruction of 20 percent of the world's coral reefs and 25 percent of the world's mangrove forests. Sea ice fell to the lowest levels ever recorded and almost a third of the Arctic Ocean, normally covered by ice in the summer, has melted. Weather-related disasters, attributed to global warming, reached a record cost of $204 billion, with record hurricane, forest fire and tornado seasons in the US.
Global warming is here and scientists predict that the number and severity of weather-caused disasters will increase as the earth warms through the heat trapping effects of greenhouse gases created by burning oil, coal and natural gas, which accounts for 80 percent of the world's energy use. With the US consuming roughly a quarter of the world's oil and, along with automobile exhaust, creating almost a quarter of the world's greenhouse gases, pressure is mounting to switch to alternative sources of fuel to modify the amount of damage created by global warming in the future.
With the Bush Administration and the oil, gas and automobile conglomerates rejecting scientific findings of man-made global warming, how will the country take action to curb it?
American voters lurch from crisis to crisis, have a short attention span and get their information from a very fad-obsessed media, according to Daniel Press, professor and chair of Environmental Studies at UC Santa Cruz. Any crisis that requires a change in behavior or tremendous investment, such as global warming requires, will take a major upheaval to affect public policy -- a Pearl Harbor-type event in the environment.
"Unfortunately, we will have many disruptions with extreme climate events, rising sea levels and possibly some cascading collapses in various ecosystems," said Press.
Some states are not waiting for disasters. California recent adopted a global emissions bill, which could spur politicians to provide national leadership on the issue. Despite strong opposition from Republicans, California passed a bill requiring reduction of CO2 by 25 percent by 2020, with enforceable controls.
"California's global warming bill represents a complete break from federal policy and something unheard of in this country," said Press. "If the political stars can align for this to happen in California, moderate Republicans and Democrats could make this happen on the national level."
Businesses are beginning to find economic opportunities in energy efficiency and alternative forms of energy because competition demands it. Japanese cars are surpassing domestic auto companies; Finland uses less energy to produce paper than the US does; and manufacturing sectors around the world are more energy-efficient than the US.
"As energy costs go up, there's money to be made with renewal energy, managing conservation and reducing energy demands," Press said. "As energy costs become a larger part of manufacturing, the winners will be those who conserve energy."
One opportunity involves sequestering carbon, which currently costs $150 a ton, too expensive to be practical. If CO2 can be captured and injected underground, or otherwise prevented from accumulating in the atmosphere, many global warming problems could be alleviated.
"Americans are good at this sort of technological change," said Press. "The whole world is a market for fuel efficiency and renewable energy supplies."
Press advocates many off-the-shelf energy saving technologies that are immediately available such as solar energy, insulation and more fuel-efficient cars. This happened in 1974, when building codes were changed to require home insulation. Developers fought the change, claiming 200,000 Californian homebuyers wouldn't be able to afford the price increase. Instead, consumers appreciated cutting their energy bills in half and housing didn't experience a downturn.
"Transitions are scary, uncertain and possibly expensive, but the arguments for making energy investments are compelling," said Press. "You make money because, over the long run, you're saving energy."
The transition should have been begun 20 years ago: Every delay makes it more difficult.
"I don't think it is impossible for us to make substantial gains in reducing global warming," Press said. "We can't afford a defeatist attitude. We have to be forceful. If we throw up our hands and do nothing, we are accepting the worst-case scenario."
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Posted by: edith on Jan 2, 2007 12:36 AM
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The article mentions hurricanes for example, yet meteorologists do not concur that recent storms are the direct result of man-caused changes. Resources to adjust to climate change are not infinite. Thus what damages have been or are caused that are the most urgent need to be identified, and solutions universally adopted. Europe and China have been slow to implement kyoto, and the US has done nothing. On the theory that something is better than nothing, the successor to Kyoto, which I understand is under negotiation now, needs to be a)approved by the US and major carbon producers and b) dictate specific steps which are consensus and which address the problems deemed to be "out of control" without drastic measures. State action is better than nothing, but is just symbolic and futile if major nations don't adopt across the board measures that parallel the nationally caused, uncontrolled carbon production of the 20th & 21 centuries.
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» Trolling for Big Oil, are we? Hurricanes must have nothing to do with warm sea surfaces...
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» hang on, thoughtcriminal...
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» Has "thoughtcriminal" Done His Part By Giving Up His Car As Well As Meat And Dairy Products?
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» Edelman PR strategy: blame the consumer, fight off CO2 regulations...
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» It Is Obviously thoughtcriminal Who Works For Edelman
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» Cigarette companies don't cause lung cancer; it's a matter of personal choice...
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» In Attempting To Marginalize Electric Cars, thoughtcriminal Proves That He Is Edelman's Puppet
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» In Attempting To Marginalize Electric Cars, thoughtcriminal Proves That He Is Edelman's Puppet
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» In Attempting To Marginalize Electric Cars, thoughtcriminal Proves That He Is Edelman's Puppet
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» Turn Any South Wall Into Source Of Free Heat With A Solar Heater Costing Under $2000 And Save . . .
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» RE: delman PR strategy: blame the consumer, fight off CO2 regulations...
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» RE: It IS possible
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» Bigger storms
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Posted by: johnecolby on Jan 2, 2007 2:07 AM
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This is a great opportunity. Not to save the consumption-production economoy with technological fixes, but to change both our economic and social order. A chance to conceive an economic/political/social system which works better for the planet and for people.
Nature is giving us no choice. Change for the better, or ...?
Let's not blow it.
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» RE: Mother Nature fighting back
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Posted by: rsaxto on Jan 2, 2007 2:15 AM
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Posted by: Fantasyartist on Jan 2, 2007 3:24 AM
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I plan to buy a Suzuki Grand Vitara( an SUV but definitely mote energy efficient than say a HUMMER)!
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» Do You Eat Fast Food While You Are Driving Your Suzuki Grand Vitura?
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» C'mon Fantasy Artist
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Posted by: MAD on Jan 2, 2007 5:09 AM
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Gee, ya think? Because the fact that 41 square miles of the Ayles Ice Shelf broke free a little over a year ago and now roams the high seas in search of adventure and booty was apparently not important enough to warrant more media attention than a blurb on page 12 - right under the story "Man Stubs Toe" in the Buttfuck America Times.
That this story broke only recently should serve as notice of just how concerned most people really are. I guess we won't be taking this seriously until that "Pearl Harbor-type event" is a Carnival Cruise Liner hitting and iceberg and actually sinking . . . in Pearl Harbor. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming: "The Brangelina Britney Hour".
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» Nice one, dude!
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» RE: Nice one, dude!
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» finally, someone who gets it
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 2, 2007 5:47 AM
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How about this: getting the media to tell the truth about fossil fuel industry propaganda put out by the American Petroleum Institute, which is currently using Edelman PR to coordinate the PR blitz? All the disasters in the world won't matter if the media keeps covering up the actual causes.
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» RE: You mean something like Katrina?
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» Warm oceans are the drivers of hurricanes
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» Getting Alternet Posters to "Own Up" To Their Own Contributions To Global Warming . . .
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» RE: Getting Alternet Posters to "Own Up" To Their Own Contributions To Global Warming . . .
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» RE: Getting Alternet Posters to "Own Up" To Their Own Contributions To Global Warming . . .
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» RE: Getting Alternet Posters to "Own Up" To Their Own Contributions To Global Warming . . .
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» I Would Not Be Advising Others To Give Up Their Cars If I Drove One Myself! What's Your Story?
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Posted by: Farmertim on Jan 2, 2007 5:48 AM
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Having lived in Northern Wi until just recently, I saw the changes most people miss, tree species dieing off and moving north, bird species arriving never seen so far north, and food potential diminishing that use to walk across my fields.
Here in Western ohio I am surrounded by food and little else.
But food knowone can eat unless massive amounts of energy turn it into corn syrup, pork chops, chicken or hamburger.
None of the fields one drives by in most of the country is edible by the species that grow it.
And now with our warming planet, those crops are in danger as well and coupled with the fact it is all grown heavily dependant on oil in all aspects from seed to plate, its sustainabilty has long passed.
Given we had three (at least) massive outbreaks from food bourne pathogens related to using noncomposted manure from large feed lots and dairy operations that use the food in the fields we cannot eat ourselves, "because" the cost of oil based fertilizers is too high and the feed lots are running out of places to put the manure created from feeding a high percentage of grain diets from fields that are subsidiesed and no longer sustainable...just what Pearl harbor are we needing other than that!!
It is a domino of Pearl harbors but known one is looking at the the long view of the situation.
All mentioned above are creating greenhouse gasses on a vast scale.
Coupled with the fact that they are now using the unsustainable crops to make fuel at a barely positive outcome, all the while ruining the ability of the ground to support human life being advanced by subsidies that should be used to prepare the ground we have to support a local food base with simple biological and cost effective practices.
If it is not done soon, we will not have the energy left to amend the soil to bring back its normal state. One in which can support life of all kinds and reduce carbon emission as well as carbon sequester much of what we have created in our last 100 years.
Once again a too simple practice is bowled over for technology, but then who has the ear of the money managers, and God forbid if the common man could make a fair living producing, selling local and direct.
Farmer Tim
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» RE: Pearl Harbor maybe....
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» RE: See "It IS possible" above
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jan 2, 2007 6:10 AM
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 2, 2007 6:22 AM
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Avoiding disaster requires leadership. When was the last time we saw leadership in Washington, DC? Andrew Jackson?
We will have to crash and burn before anything is done about the environment, just as corporate management has let our once world-dominant auto industry crash and burn. American auto manufacturers may have to shut down and lay off their workers, but they won't lose their money, just stockholders' money.
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Posted by: teblackman on Jan 2, 2007 6:33 AM
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We can't predict the weather 2 days from now, how in the world can we predict global warming? The hurricane forcast for this past season was off by a huge margin. To economically imperil this nation and planet to possibly stave off global warming is ridiculous. The same scientists now say we can't even do anything at this point anyways.
The looney left has never made sense to me. Removing a brutal dictator and giving a nation a chance to decide for themselves if they want freedom and democracy should be viewed as an amazing opportunity and we should be proud of that. Instead the looney left wants to cut and run. Lets see if we can establish a new set of bases for terrorists and destabilize an entire country. Let's prove to the world and all the despots that America will not follow through and will grow tired and run away from anything. Let's just ask to be attacked again. It is a little off topic but it is all part of the same irrational and emotional perspective of the looney left.
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» RE: Chicken Little!
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» RE: Chicken Little!
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» RE: Chicken Little!
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» Ever visit a casino?
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» Cut and run? did you ever show up?
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» RE: Cut and run? did you ever show up?
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» RE: Cut and run? did you ever show up?
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Posted by: dbaker on Jan 2, 2007 6:35 AM
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combining two watse streams to generate electricity.
sewage is the only viable source of sustainable renewable materials capable of sufficent volume to replace the fossil fuel powered electrical generating facilities.
Dennis Baker
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» Wind and solar power are the solutions to combating global warming
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» Can we create a controlled VOLCANO eruption or two?
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» Nuke Mauna Kea
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» RE: Can we create a controlled VOLCANO eruption or two? - well...
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» RE: the solution to combatting Global warming - forgot it, too late.
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» RE: global baloney
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» RE: global baloney
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» Intentionally perverse, intentionally ignorant right-wing baloney is "really pathetic"!
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» Fundamental Disconnect
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» In Which Dictionary Did You Discover Your Definitions? Confess! You Made Them Up Yourself!
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» Troll - The Game
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» Comes the revolution...
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» Gobble baloney
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» The difference is...
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» RE: The difference is...
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» Enough with the hysteria!
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Posted by: ng1944 on Jan 2, 2007 8:28 AM
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or in 2008 they will get another Bush and
both houses controlled by republicans
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» Starting 2007 with more diabolical denial
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» RE: Keep distance from Environuts
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» Maybe we do have to repeat the Dark Ages until we learn. The next one, however, is gonna make the...
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 2, 2007 9:18 AM
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". . .manufacturing sectors around the world are more energy-efficient than the US."
We pat ourselves on the back incessantly about what a fine nation we are, and how we are home to "the best and the brightest." If so, then why are we always the last to "get it?"
Note to american corporations: It's a rhetorical question.
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jan 2, 2007 10:15 AM
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Ultimately, knee-jerk liberals are just as absurd as money-grubbing neocons.
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» Is it overbreeding or immigration? They're not the same thing
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» RE: Is it overbreeding or immigration? They're not the same thing -- But they're close enough.
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» RE: Is it overbreeding or immigration? They're not the same thing -- But they're close enough.
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» RE: Is it overbreeding or immigration? They're not the same thing -- But they're close enough.
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» I'll believe you when you mention the most important thing
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» RE: I'll believe you when you mention the most important thing -- So, now believe me...
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 2, 2007 10:26 AM
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$100 million dollar PR efforts have only one real goal: protect the profit margins of the corporate clients who are footing the bill by any means necessary. Edelman is a big advocate of using the blogosphere to 'get the message out' as well.
Meanwhile, the British press is reporting that 2007 will likely be the hottest year on record:
"World faces hottest year ever, as El Niño combines with global warming
By Cahal Milmo
Published: 01 January 2007
A combination of global warming and the El Niño weather system is set to make 2007 the warmest year on record with far-reaching consequences for the planet, one of Britain's leading climate experts has warned. As the new year was ushered in with stormy conditions across the UK, the forecast for the next 12 months is of extreme global weather patterns which could bring drought to Indonesia and leave California under a deluge."
We need regulations: fuel efficiency standards for all automobiles sold in the US (i.e. CAFE), strict limits on coal combustion, and an end to massive subsidies for industrial agriculture and petroleum exploration - instead, solar, wind and sustainable biofuel production should be subsidized. Edelman and the API will do as much as they can to prevent this from happening - all so that coal and oil tycoons can continue to enjoy inflated profits.
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» RE: delman PR strategy: blame the consumer, fight off CO2 regulations... Yawn...
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» All Of thoughtcriminal's Proposed Regulations Call For the Continued Use of Petroleum!
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» RE: All Of thoughtcriminal's Proposed Regulations Call For the Continued Use of Petroleum!
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Posted by: djnoll on Jan 2, 2007 10:26 AM
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If we are going to talk about global warming and the affects of man on this planet, we need to start by taking personal responsibility for how we live our lives. All three of the events I mentioned above are directly connected, and if they are not addressed by those of us who have to power to act, they will destroy the world completely for future generations.
So, start by looking at where you invest your hard earned dollars. How many of you look at the criteria for social and environmental responsibility of the companies you invest in? Not many, I suspect, you just go with what your stock broker or financial adviser suggests. Insist that your money go into companies that are working on solutions to energy production; organic food production; local businesses, and if the stock brokers will not cooperate, do your investing online by researching the companies you invest in. And for Godsake's do not put these investments in mandatory withdrawal accounts like 401K's or IRAs which only help big businesses keep your investment capital tied up. Remain flexible in how you invest.
Second, start the equivalent of victory gardens in your neighborhoods and at your home. Support CSA's, farmer's markets, and local food producers. Boycott large food chains until they return to buying locally. Get HOA's to change landscaping rules so that front yards and parks can be converted into vegetable and fruit production for the people in the developments. Demand legal action against companies like Monsanto, Conagra, Pfizer, Archer Daniels Midland, and all the rest of the industrial ag companies for endanger the public health and creating environmental disaster areas where we once grew food, at the local, state, and federal levels. Demand that these companies be broken up and their land sold to organic farmers and ranchers. Demand that their heritage seed patents be revoked. Take back your food system.
Finally, stop driving gas guzzlers. Use alternative energy public transportation (and demand it if it is not available); ride a bike or walk. Demand cities enact environmental regualtions that are tougher than federal or state laws for your communities. Demand that developers make new homes energy independent with the use of solar and wind power. Demand that tax credits be made permanent that are sufficient to offset at least 50% of the cost of installation of these systems. Demand that developers and utilities recharge water tables and use recycled grey water for landscaping use.
In short, stop talking and start acting. We created this mess, now it is up to us to clean up. We are the only ones who have the capital and political clout right now to do this. Corporations claim to provide us with what we demand in the marketplace, so change the marketplace by changing the nature of the demand. Withhold the demand, and the marketplace will change. ACT!
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» RE: The Next Ten Years = The Future -- And, as always, ignore population growth.
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» RE: The Next Ten Years = The Future -- And, as always, ignore population growth.
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» Overwhelming fear paralyzes your response to population growth.
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» Overwhelming fear & bigotry paralyzes your response to Mexican immigrants (and their children)!!
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» RE: Nothin' much but build arks -- Thanks, overbreeders!
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» RE: Nothin' much but build arks and birchbark canoes.
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Posted by: fifthworld on Jan 2, 2007 10:36 AM
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Happy New Year anyway
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» RE: Further thought on denial -- of overpopulation?
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» Who Has Ever Denied It? No One On Alternet As Far As I Know!
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» RE: "Who Has Ever Denied It?" -- You have. Get someone else to satisfy your need for attention. (nm)
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» No, I Have Never Denied That Overpopulation Was A Serious Problem! I Rejected Your Racist Screeds!
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» "nm"? Is that the same as "m&ms"?
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» There is some info on population solutions
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» RE: There is some info on population solutions -- Thanks, JohnF, for a breath of sanity!
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» RE: There is some info on population solutions
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» RE: There is some info on population solutions
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» I should add...
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» RE: I should add...
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» Thanks for some intelligent commentary.
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» RE: Thanks for some intelligent commentary.
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» RE: Thanks for some intelligent commentary.
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» RE: I should add...
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» RE: I should add...
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» RE: There is some info on population solutions -- Good observation, wrong conclusion.
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» Goddammit Pat! Overpopulation Just Isn't Exciting!!
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» global warming fearmongering same same as Religion crusades & wars to spread democracy
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» Hey Pat Kittle, Find Out Where This Guy Stands On Overpopulation
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» RE: global warming fearmongering same same as Religion crusades & wars to spread democracy
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» The American overclass needs ways to EAT the American underclass
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» Jonathan Swift Beat You To It 200 Years Ago!
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» RE: Jonathan Swift Beat You To It 200 Years Ago!
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» RE: The American overclass needs ways to EAT the American underclass
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» "Eat your way to citizenship"
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» RE: global warming fearmongering same same as Religion crusades & wars to spread democracy
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» RE: global warming fearmongering same same as Religion crusades & wars to spread democracy
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» I'M Glad You Mentioned The Chevy 2 Ton Truck! 1/3 Of Global Warming Is Caused By Transportion!
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» RE: Goddammit Pat! Overpopulation Just Isn't Exciting!! -- Not even for the AlterNet.
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» Get rich selling meat tenderizers and preservatives
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» RE: Overpopulation: The Solution -- Ha ha ha -- all these overpopulation jokes are killing me.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 2, 2007 3:13 PM
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The plan, announced by new County Board Chairman Paul Ferguson at the county's Jan. 1 meeting, calls for purchasing more wind-generated electricity, making county buildings more energy efficient and adding hybrid vehicles to the county's fleet of cars, along with other initiatives.
County residents who purchase hybrid vehicles also would receive a tax break on the county car tax under the plan.
Ferguson said he was inspired to launch the initiative after seeing Gore's documentary on global warming, "An Inconvenient Truth."
"Our climate is changing, and that change is causing harm," Ferguson said. "The question is, what can each of us do to slow the trend and eventually reverse it?"
Arlington joins Montgomery County, Md., and other local governments in the Washington, D.C., region that have launched similar environmental initiatives.
The board's plan calls for the county to increase the amount of wind power it buys from 3 percent to 5 percent. The county will also refit one or two county buildings with solar technology and require all new major public buildings to be green-certified.
Plans also call for planting 1,200 trees this year and handing out 2,000 fluorescent light bulbs at local fairs and other events.
Costs for the initiative are unknown. Ferguson estimated it would entail about $5 million in upgrades to municipal buildings, which he said will be recouped in lower utility costs. The goal is to reduce energy usage in county facilities by 2 percent annually through 2012.
The energy initiatives are a natural fit for a county that prides itself on smart growth and promoting mass transit, Ferguson said.
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» RE: Northern Va. county plans... "Smart growth"?? That is the ultimate oxymoron!
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» Maybe not perfect but I'd rather call for more support in wind energy rather than
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» RE: "Maybe not perfect but I'd rather... not confront those scary overbreeders" maybe??
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» Diverting funding for fossil fuel exploitation to solar, wind, biofuel would actually curb overpopul
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 2, 2007 4:33 PM
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» RE: Stop subsidizing Big Oil, Chemical, etc .. and - anything to avoid confronting overbreeders, eh?
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» Aaaaahhhhh! Yes, Yes, Yes, let's confront overbreeding!!! Are you satisfied now?!?
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» RE: Yes, Yes, let's confront overbreeding!!! Are you satisfied now?!? -- No, you're still lying.
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» RE: Yes, Yes, let's confront overbreeding!!! Are you satisfied now?!? -- No, you're still lying.
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» RE: Yes, Yes, let's confront overbreeding!!! Are you satisfied now?!? -- No, you're still lying.
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» You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» Is It "Racist" To Assert One's "White Boy" Superiority Over "A Gang-Banger Immigrant"?
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» RE: You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» RE: You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» RE: You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» RE: You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» Wow, a civil conversation...
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Posted by: greentime on Jan 2, 2007 4:46 PM
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This was in the 1968-69 and 70 era. We were marching for Peace, standing for Justice, raising consciousness, and trying to save the Earth. Our leaders were all killed; probably by the government. Stevie Wonder sang that in one of his songs. He sang: '...you killed all our leaders, we don't even have to do nothin' to you, you'll cause your own country to fall..." He was right.
Here is what we knew then:
1. The planet was in serious trouble. It could be dying. We could be killing our earth home. There was a fragile web of life and we were part of that web.
2. There was serious overpopulation. There was serious pollution and toxic waste.
3. Corporations didn't care. They had no consciousness. They were profit motivated entites. The men (and it was 100% men at that time) didn't want to hear this message.
4. Recycling was not just important, it was necessary.
5. If Rachel Carson was right, we would all die. All life would suffer or perish. There would be a "Silent Spring".
6. There would be much slow suffering and unending sadness.
7. The large mammals would go first.
8. The seas would die.
9. We must act now (then).
10. Solar and wind energy were our best hope.
We also knew we were all sisters and brothers; cousins; one family. We didn't know this because of science, we knew it in our hearts and in our souls. We sang, we danced, we marched. Somehow we also knew we all came from the same Mother. We knew the animals were to be understood, and the planet to be cherished. That's why we marched, gathered at Woodstock, sang for Peace, Peace NOW. That's why we thought it wise to make love and not war.
I entered the workforce in 1970s. The men in the workplace didn't want me there. It was their MAN'S world. They didn't want "mommy" there. We would see. SEE what they were doing. For 23 years they fought my existence. They had been fighting the female much longer than that. They tried to limit the power and influence of the feminine in the worklplace. They hurt many, MANY women. When we spoke of fairness, they called us "libbers". When I spoke of the earth or solar power, they called me a loser or an "old hippie" I was in fact, a utopian. I wanted the Earth to survive. For their/our children and for all life. Their punishment was brutal. They lied... they did anything to win. They "won".
In those years of my youth, I had often been moved to tears by what I knew, I mourned, I became so saddened by what I knew. Today, now I know. I am calm. I can only try and enlighten, try and help.
What do I know? I know that this is it. This is our last chance at greentime, rejuvenation, survival, evolution. I know we must change.
I moved to the country, I didn't have kids, I built a solar house, I built a small barn, a pond, all so I could "survive".
But you know what? Surviving isn't enough. It's not enough, if the planet doesn't survive, nothing will... none of us will.
We will have destroyed ALL. All the beauty, all the diversity, the great tigers, the great bears, the sweet Pandas, all the kittens and puppies, the fish, the birds, the sky. All the gifts that bring us joy. ALL.
Is that to be our legacy?
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» Fewer of "them"?
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- Good question -- as John Muir said...
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» Overpopulation can only be the result of bad policies be it trade, war, fossil fuel oversubsidizing,
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» RE: Overpopulation can only be the result of OVERBREEDING!
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» Please define "OVERBREEDING!"
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» RE: Please define "OVERBREEDING!" -- Glad to.
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- Good question -- as John Muir said...
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- You're still trying to put me in that Catch-22.
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- You're still trying to put me in that Catch-22.
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- You're still trying to put me in that Catch-22.
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» You still don't understand Catch-22.
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» RE: You still don't understand Catch-22. -- Allow me to clear that up for you.
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- You're still trying to put me in that Catch-22.
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» The hour's too late for all that, there's lots of other lives here besides humans.
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» RE: The hour's too late for all that, there's lots of other lives here besides humans.
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» RE: The hour's too late for all that, there's lots of other lives here besides humans.
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» Trust me, I'm willing to lend a hand.....
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» RE: Trust me, I'm willing to lend a hand... I guess that's a "Hypocritic" oath you took?
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» Relax, Pat.....
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» RE: Relax, Pat... "Who me? I didn't see anything!" says the good doctor...
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» RE: Trust me, I'm willing to lend a hand.. Your motive is closer to murder than mercy, Miss Mengele.
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» RE: So you're not an overbreeder even with 8 kids -- In your eagerness to attack me...
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» nothin' funny here to say
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» RE: nothin' funny here to say - Now you say, "I didn't think you had 8 kids." Yeah, right!
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» RE: nothin' funny here to say - Now you say, "I didn't think you had 8 kids." Yeah, right!
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» RE: nothin' funny here to say - Now you say, "I didn't think you had 8 kids." Yeah, right!
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» RE: Yes, those were the days... I remember that too and I know you meant us and not them.
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» You say, "Our desire to survive must include humility and generosity."
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» RE: You say, "Our desire to survive must include humility and generosity."
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» RE: You say, "Our desire to survive must include humility and generosity."
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 2, 2007 8:14 PM
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Posted by: Jordon on Jan 2, 2007 10:33 PM
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Go Global Warming Go!
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» RE: I fully support Global Warming -- We're coming gringo, eh? We're coming!
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» Your 8 kids and John Muir's bears can help
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» RE: My 8 kids? As usual, you're jumping to confusions. (nm)
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» no confusions; it was purposeful
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» RE: no confusions; it was purposeful -- Yes, yes, "purposeful"... yeah, that's it, "purposeful"!
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» RE: I fully support Global Warming - many of us do.
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» RE: I fully support Global Warming - many of us do.
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» RE: I fully support Global Warming - many of us do.
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» The main difference is the geography
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» RE: The main difference is the geography
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» RE: The main difference is the geography
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Posted by: ng1944 on Jan 3, 2007 8:26 AM
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He predicting for US tsunami and nuclear war next year.
And actually doing everithing for end of the world to happen
(as bible predicting).
Good company for environmental DOOMsdayers.
We have to put them all on one big Titanic
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jan 4, 2007 9:16 AM
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In the end, we'll have a credit collapse. This will do wonders for the energy and global warming problem. Hell of a way to solve a problem!
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Posted by: xbj on Jan 4, 2007 10:33 AM
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But that's not really about the environment... this is... want a real global "Pearl Harbor event"? Watch the Chinese blow the La Palma volcano in the Canary Islands into the Atlantic the second Bush nukes Iran. That little "Pearl Harbor" event will slam a Tsunami the height of the former World Trade Towers into the entire East Coast from New England to the tip of Florida and reach as far as 20 miles inland.
Good-bye New York, arrivederchi Washington DC, and adios Florida from sea to shining sea. Hello, nation's new capitol, Denver. Underground. FAR underground.
That fills the bill perfectly for your global "Pearl Harbor" environmental event. Although not caused by global warming.
Just by the never-ending greed, desperation, and stupidity of good ole' Amerikan Nazi War Pigs. And how the rest of the world deals with Nazis.
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Posted by: Oanedus on Jan 4, 2007 4:03 PM
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We need to re-examine geothermal energy resources.
Instead of the idea of pumping water 3- 4 miles underground to absorb the heat from beneath the earth, then collecting the heat energy through a series of heat exchangers, we need to look at installing efficient superconductors to transfer the heat to the earth's surface instead. This, combined with wind powered generators and electrical solar panels would help reduce the number of nuclear reactors being built worldwide.
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Posted by: Jordon on Jan 6, 2007 3:53 AM
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Now I know some of you are going to say that that is cruel. But I'm only talking about violent and repeat offenders, the guys who don't deserve humane treatment. And I know what you all will say: "everyone is entitled to humane treatment; it's what seperates us from the animals", or something along those lines. But we are animals, and besides, when someone commits a violent crime, they give up their rights as a person so far as I'm concerned. I don't support the death penalty becuase occasionaly the innocent are killed, however I fully support this idea. Put the criminals to work, and not just making liscence plates, make em generate the electricity needed to run the facility they are in. And whip them when they slack off.
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Posted by: CyberBrook on Jan 8, 2007 11:27 AM
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Meat Is a Global Warming Issue
By Dan Brook, E Magazine. Posted August 24, 2006.
http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/40639/
Vegetarianism does more to fight global warming, according to studies from the UN Food & Ag Org and the Univ of Chicago, than any one of the ten things on Al Gore's list (of course it's best to do as many as possible though).
Also see
Another Inconvenient Truth
www.anotherinconvenienttruth.org
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» RE: Meat Is a Global Warming Issue -- Gets back to overpopulation, of course.
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Posted by: SydneyZ on Jan 10, 2007 8:21 AM
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Personally I feel useless. There is nothing one person can do against global warming . . . yes finally people have accepted that the globe is warming. I agree with the person at the beginning saying that we should stop acting so unbelievably stupid and we should DO SOMETHING. Sitting around talking is not going to get anyone anywhere. In the end we are at fault and we only deserve another Ice Age to come upon us.
I could ramble on forever, but it's pointless, no use wasting all this energy if nothing anyone says will get heard anyway.
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Posted by: edith on Jan 2, 2007 12:36 AM
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The article mentions hurricanes for example, yet meteorologists do not concur that recent storms are the direct result of man-caused changes. Resources to adjust to climate change are not infinite. Thus what damages have been or are caused that are the most urgent need to be identified, and solutions universally adopted. Europe and China have been slow to implement kyoto, and the US has done nothing. On the theory that something is better than nothing, the successor to Kyoto, which I understand is under negotiation now, needs to be a)approved by the US and major carbon producers and b) dictate specific steps which are consensus and which address the problems deemed to be "out of control" without drastic measures. State action is better than nothing, but is just symbolic and futile if major nations don't adopt across the board measures that parallel the nationally caused, uncontrolled carbon production of the 20th & 21 centuries.
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» Trolling for Big Oil, are we? Hurricanes must have nothing to do with warm sea surfaces...
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» hang on, thoughtcriminal...
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» Has "thoughtcriminal" Done His Part By Giving Up His Car As Well As Meat And Dairy Products?
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» Edelman PR strategy: blame the consumer, fight off CO2 regulations...
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» It Is Obviously thoughtcriminal Who Works For Edelman
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» Cigarette companies don't cause lung cancer; it's a matter of personal choice...
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» In Attempting To Marginalize Electric Cars, thoughtcriminal Proves That He Is Edelman's Puppet
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» In Attempting To Marginalize Electric Cars, thoughtcriminal Proves That He Is Edelman's Puppet
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» In Attempting To Marginalize Electric Cars, thoughtcriminal Proves That He Is Edelman's Puppet
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» Turn Any South Wall Into Source Of Free Heat With A Solar Heater Costing Under $2000 And Save . . .
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» RE: delman PR strategy: blame the consumer, fight off CO2 regulations...
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» RE: It IS possible
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» Bigger storms
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Posted by: johnecolby on Jan 2, 2007 2:07 AM
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This is a great opportunity. Not to save the consumption-production economoy with technological fixes, but to change both our economic and social order. A chance to conceive an economic/political/social system which works better for the planet and for people.
Nature is giving us no choice. Change for the better, or ...?
Let's not blow it.
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Posted by: rsaxto on Jan 2, 2007 2:15 AM
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Posted by: Fantasyartist on Jan 2, 2007 3:24 AM
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I plan to buy a Suzuki Grand Vitara( an SUV but definitely mote energy efficient than say a HUMMER)!
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» Do You Eat Fast Food While You Are Driving Your Suzuki Grand Vitura?
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» C'mon Fantasy Artist
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Posted by: MAD on Jan 2, 2007 5:09 AM
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Gee, ya think? Because the fact that 41 square miles of the Ayles Ice Shelf broke free a little over a year ago and now roams the high seas in search of adventure and booty was apparently not important enough to warrant more media attention than a blurb on page 12 - right under the story "Man Stubs Toe" in the Buttfuck America Times.
That this story broke only recently should serve as notice of just how concerned most people really are. I guess we won't be taking this seriously until that "Pearl Harbor-type event" is a Carnival Cruise Liner hitting and iceberg and actually sinking . . . in Pearl Harbor. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming: "The Brangelina Britney Hour".
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» Nice one, dude!
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» finally, someone who gets it
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 2, 2007 5:47 AM
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How about this: getting the media to tell the truth about fossil fuel industry propaganda put out by the American Petroleum Institute, which is currently using Edelman PR to coordinate the PR blitz? All the disasters in the world won't matter if the media keeps covering up the actual causes.
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» Warm oceans are the drivers of hurricanes
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» Getting Alternet Posters to "Own Up" To Their Own Contributions To Global Warming . . .
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» RE: Getting Alternet Posters to "Own Up" To Their Own Contributions To Global Warming . . .
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» RE: Getting Alternet Posters to "Own Up" To Their Own Contributions To Global Warming . . .
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» RE: Getting Alternet Posters to "Own Up" To Their Own Contributions To Global Warming . . .
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» I Would Not Be Advising Others To Give Up Their Cars If I Drove One Myself! What's Your Story?
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Posted by: Farmertim on Jan 2, 2007 5:48 AM
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Having lived in Northern Wi until just recently, I saw the changes most people miss, tree species dieing off and moving north, bird species arriving never seen so far north, and food potential diminishing that use to walk across my fields.
Here in Western ohio I am surrounded by food and little else.
But food knowone can eat unless massive amounts of energy turn it into corn syrup, pork chops, chicken or hamburger.
None of the fields one drives by in most of the country is edible by the species that grow it.
And now with our warming planet, those crops are in danger as well and coupled with the fact it is all grown heavily dependant on oil in all aspects from seed to plate, its sustainabilty has long passed.
Given we had three (at least) massive outbreaks from food bourne pathogens related to using noncomposted manure from large feed lots and dairy operations that use the food in the fields we cannot eat ourselves, "because" the cost of oil based fertilizers is too high and the feed lots are running out of places to put the manure created from feeding a high percentage of grain diets from fields that are subsidiesed and no longer sustainable...just what Pearl harbor are we needing other than that!!
It is a domino of Pearl harbors but known one is looking at the the long view of the situation.
All mentioned above are creating greenhouse gasses on a vast scale.
Coupled with the fact that they are now using the unsustainable crops to make fuel at a barely positive outcome, all the while ruining the ability of the ground to support human life being advanced by subsidies that should be used to prepare the ground we have to support a local food base with simple biological and cost effective practices.
If it is not done soon, we will not have the energy left to amend the soil to bring back its normal state. One in which can support life of all kinds and reduce carbon emission as well as carbon sequester much of what we have created in our last 100 years.
Once again a too simple practice is bowled over for technology, but then who has the ear of the money managers, and God forbid if the common man could make a fair living producing, selling local and direct.
Farmer Tim
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» RE: See "It IS possible" above
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jan 2, 2007 6:10 AM
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 2, 2007 6:22 AM
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Avoiding disaster requires leadership. When was the last time we saw leadership in Washington, DC? Andrew Jackson?
We will have to crash and burn before anything is done about the environment, just as corporate management has let our once world-dominant auto industry crash and burn. American auto manufacturers may have to shut down and lay off their workers, but they won't lose their money, just stockholders' money.
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Posted by: teblackman on Jan 2, 2007 6:33 AM
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We can't predict the weather 2 days from now, how in the world can we predict global warming? The hurricane forcast for this past season was off by a huge margin. To economically imperil this nation and planet to possibly stave off global warming is ridiculous. The same scientists now say we can't even do anything at this point anyways.
The looney left has never made sense to me. Removing a brutal dictator and giving a nation a chance to decide for themselves if they want freedom and democracy should be viewed as an amazing opportunity and we should be proud of that. Instead the looney left wants to cut and run. Lets see if we can establish a new set of bases for terrorists and destabilize an entire country. Let's prove to the world and all the despots that America will not follow through and will grow tired and run away from anything. Let's just ask to be attacked again. It is a little off topic but it is all part of the same irrational and emotional perspective of the looney left.
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» Ever visit a casino?
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» Cut and run? did you ever show up?
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Posted by: dbaker on Jan 2, 2007 6:35 AM
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combining two watse streams to generate electricity.
sewage is the only viable source of sustainable renewable materials capable of sufficent volume to replace the fossil fuel powered electrical generating facilities.
Dennis Baker
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» Wind and solar power are the solutions to combating global warming
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» Can we create a controlled VOLCANO eruption or two?
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» Nuke Mauna Kea
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» RE: Can we create a controlled VOLCANO eruption or two? - well...
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» RE: the solution to combatting Global warming - forgot it, too late.
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» Intentionally perverse, intentionally ignorant right-wing baloney is "really pathetic"!
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» Fundamental Disconnect
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» In Which Dictionary Did You Discover Your Definitions? Confess! You Made Them Up Yourself!
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» Troll - The Game
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» Comes the revolution...
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» Gobble baloney
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» The difference is...
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» Enough with the hysteria!
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Posted by: ng1944 on Jan 2, 2007 8:28 AM
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or in 2008 they will get another Bush and
both houses controlled by republicans
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» Starting 2007 with more diabolical denial
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 2, 2007 9:18 AM
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". . .manufacturing sectors around the world are more energy-efficient than the US."
We pat ourselves on the back incessantly about what a fine nation we are, and how we are home to "the best and the brightest." If so, then why are we always the last to "get it?"
Note to american corporations: It's a rhetorical question.
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jan 2, 2007 10:15 AM
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Ultimately, knee-jerk liberals are just as absurd as money-grubbing neocons.
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» Is it overbreeding or immigration? They're not the same thing
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» RE: Is it overbreeding or immigration? They're not the same thing -- But they're close enough.
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» RE: Is it overbreeding or immigration? They're not the same thing -- But they're close enough.
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» RE: Is it overbreeding or immigration? They're not the same thing -- But they're close enough.
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» I'll believe you when you mention the most important thing
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» RE: I'll believe you when you mention the most important thing -- So, now believe me...
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 2, 2007 10:26 AM
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$100 million dollar PR efforts have only one real goal: protect the profit margins of the corporate clients who are footing the bill by any means necessary. Edelman is a big advocate of using the blogosphere to 'get the message out' as well.
Meanwhile, the British press is reporting that 2007 will likely be the hottest year on record:
"World faces hottest year ever, as El Niño combines with global warming
By Cahal Milmo
Published: 01 January 2007
A combination of global warming and the El Niño weather system is set to make 2007 the warmest year on record with far-reaching consequences for the planet, one of Britain's leading climate experts has warned. As the new year was ushered in with stormy conditions across the UK, the forecast for the next 12 months is of extreme global weather patterns which could bring drought to Indonesia and leave California under a deluge."
We need regulations: fuel efficiency standards for all automobiles sold in the US (i.e. CAFE), strict limits on coal combustion, and an end to massive subsidies for industrial agriculture and petroleum exploration - instead, solar, wind and sustainable biofuel production should be subsidized. Edelman and the API will do as much as they can to prevent this from happening - all so that coal and oil tycoons can continue to enjoy inflated profits.
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» All Of thoughtcriminal's Proposed Regulations Call For the Continued Use of Petroleum!
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» RE: All Of thoughtcriminal's Proposed Regulations Call For the Continued Use of Petroleum!
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Posted by: djnoll on Jan 2, 2007 10:26 AM
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If we are going to talk about global warming and the affects of man on this planet, we need to start by taking personal responsibility for how we live our lives. All three of the events I mentioned above are directly connected, and if they are not addressed by those of us who have to power to act, they will destroy the world completely for future generations.
So, start by looking at where you invest your hard earned dollars. How many of you look at the criteria for social and environmental responsibility of the companies you invest in? Not many, I suspect, you just go with what your stock broker or financial adviser suggests. Insist that your money go into companies that are working on solutions to energy production; organic food production; local businesses, and if the stock brokers will not cooperate, do your investing online by researching the companies you invest in. And for Godsake's do not put these investments in mandatory withdrawal accounts like 401K's or IRAs which only help big businesses keep your investment capital tied up. Remain flexible in how you invest.
Second, start the equivalent of victory gardens in your neighborhoods and at your home. Support CSA's, farmer's markets, and local food producers. Boycott large food chains until they return to buying locally. Get HOA's to change landscaping rules so that front yards and parks can be converted into vegetable and fruit production for the people in the developments. Demand legal action against companies like Monsanto, Conagra, Pfizer, Archer Daniels Midland, and all the rest of the industrial ag companies for endanger the public health and creating environmental disaster areas where we once grew food, at the local, state, and federal levels. Demand that these companies be broken up and their land sold to organic farmers and ranchers. Demand that their heritage seed patents be revoked. Take back your food system.
Finally, stop driving gas guzzlers. Use alternative energy public transportation (and demand it if it is not available); ride a bike or walk. Demand cities enact environmental regualtions that are tougher than federal or state laws for your communities. Demand that developers make new homes energy independent with the use of solar and wind power. Demand that tax credits be made permanent that are sufficient to offset at least 50% of the cost of installation of these systems. Demand that developers and utilities recharge water tables and use recycled grey water for landscaping use.
In short, stop talking and start acting. We created this mess, now it is up to us to clean up. We are the only ones who have the capital and political clout right now to do this. Corporations claim to provide us with what we demand in the marketplace, so change the marketplace by changing the nature of the demand. Withhold the demand, and the marketplace will change. ACT!
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» RE: The Next Ten Years = The Future -- And, as always, ignore population growth.
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» RE: The Next Ten Years = The Future -- And, as always, ignore population growth.
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» Overwhelming fear paralyzes your response to population growth.
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» Overwhelming fear & bigotry paralyzes your response to Mexican immigrants (and their children)!!
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Posted by: fifthworld on Jan 2, 2007 10:30 AM
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» RE: Nothin' much but build arks -- Thanks, overbreeders!
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» RE: Nothin' much but build arks and birchbark canoes.
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Posted by: fifthworld on Jan 2, 2007 10:36 AM
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Happy New Year anyway
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» RE: Further thought on denial -- of overpopulation?
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» Who Has Ever Denied It? No One On Alternet As Far As I Know!
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» RE: "Who Has Ever Denied It?" -- You have. Get someone else to satisfy your need for attention. (nm)
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» No, I Have Never Denied That Overpopulation Was A Serious Problem! I Rejected Your Racist Screeds!
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» "nm"? Is that the same as "m&ms"?
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» There is some info on population solutions
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» RE: There is some info on population solutions -- Thanks, JohnF, for a breath of sanity!
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» RE: There is some info on population solutions
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» RE: There is some info on population solutions
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» I should add...
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» RE: I should add...
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» Thanks for some intelligent commentary.
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» RE: Thanks for some intelligent commentary.
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» RE: Thanks for some intelligent commentary.
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» RE: I should add...
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» RE: I should add...
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» RE: There is some info on population solutions -- Good observation, wrong conclusion.
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» Goddammit Pat! Overpopulation Just Isn't Exciting!!
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» global warming fearmongering same same as Religion crusades & wars to spread democracy
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» Hey Pat Kittle, Find Out Where This Guy Stands On Overpopulation
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» RE: global warming fearmongering same same as Religion crusades & wars to spread democracy
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» The American overclass needs ways to EAT the American underclass
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» Jonathan Swift Beat You To It 200 Years Ago!
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» RE: The American overclass needs ways to EAT the American underclass
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» "Eat your way to citizenship"
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» RE: global warming fearmongering same same as Religion crusades & wars to spread democracy
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» RE: global warming fearmongering same same as Religion crusades & wars to spread democracy
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» I'M Glad You Mentioned The Chevy 2 Ton Truck! 1/3 Of Global Warming Is Caused By Transportion!
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» RE: Goddammit Pat! Overpopulation Just Isn't Exciting!! -- Not even for the AlterNet.
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Posted by: MAD on Jan 2, 2007 1:58 PM
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» RE: Overpopulation: The Solution -- Ha ha ha -- all these overpopulation jokes are killing me.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 2, 2007 3:13 PM
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The plan, announced by new County Board Chairman Paul Ferguson at the county's Jan. 1 meeting, calls for purchasing more wind-generated electricity, making county buildings more energy efficient and adding hybrid vehicles to the county's fleet of cars, along with other initiatives.
County residents who purchase hybrid vehicles also would receive a tax break on the county car tax under the plan.
Ferguson said he was inspired to launch the initiative after seeing Gore's documentary on global warming, "An Inconvenient Truth."
"Our climate is changing, and that change is causing harm," Ferguson said. "The question is, what can each of us do to slow the trend and eventually reverse it?"
Arlington joins Montgomery County, Md., and other local governments in the Washington, D.C., region that have launched similar environmental initiatives.
The board's plan calls for the county to increase the amount of wind power it buys from 3 percent to 5 percent. The county will also refit one or two county buildings with solar technology and require all new major public buildings to be green-certified.
Plans also call for planting 1,200 trees this year and handing out 2,000 fluorescent light bulbs at local fairs and other events.
Costs for the initiative are unknown. Ferguson estimated it would entail about $5 million in upgrades to municipal buildings, which he said will be recouped in lower utility costs. The goal is to reduce energy usage in county facilities by 2 percent annually through 2012.
The energy initiatives are a natural fit for a county that prides itself on smart growth and promoting mass transit, Ferguson said.
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» RE: Northern Va. county plans... "Smart growth"?? That is the ultimate oxymoron!
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» Maybe not perfect but I'd rather call for more support in wind energy rather than
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» RE: "Maybe not perfect but I'd rather... not confront those scary overbreeders" maybe??
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» Diverting funding for fossil fuel exploitation to solar, wind, biofuel would actually curb overpopul
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 2, 2007 4:33 PM
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» RE: Stop subsidizing Big Oil, Chemical, etc .. and - anything to avoid confronting overbreeders, eh?
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» Aaaaahhhhh! Yes, Yes, Yes, let's confront overbreeding!!! Are you satisfied now?!?
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» RE: Yes, Yes, let's confront overbreeding!!! Are you satisfied now?!? -- No, you're still lying.
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» RE: Yes, Yes, let's confront overbreeding!!! Are you satisfied now?!? -- No, you're still lying.
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» RE: Yes, Yes, let's confront overbreeding!!! Are you satisfied now?!? -- No, you're still lying.
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» You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» Is It "Racist" To Assert One's "White Boy" Superiority Over "A Gang-Banger Immigrant"?
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» RE: You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» RE: You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» RE: You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» RE: You can be real brave with me, knowing I won't hurt you, white boy.
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» Wow, a civil conversation...
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Posted by: greentime on Jan 2, 2007 4:46 PM
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This was in the 1968-69 and 70 era. We were marching for Peace, standing for Justice, raising consciousness, and trying to save the Earth. Our leaders were all killed; probably by the government. Stevie Wonder sang that in one of his songs. He sang: '...you killed all our leaders, we don't even have to do nothin' to you, you'll cause your own country to fall..." He was right.
Here is what we knew then:
1. The planet was in serious trouble. It could be dying. We could be killing our earth home. There was a fragile web of life and we were part of that web.
2. There was serious overpopulation. There was serious pollution and toxic waste.
3. Corporations didn't care. They had no consciousness. They were profit motivated entites. The men (and it was 100% men at that time) didn't want to hear this message.
4. Recycling was not just important, it was necessary.
5. If Rachel Carson was right, we would all die. All life would suffer or perish. There would be a "Silent Spring".
6. There would be much slow suffering and unending sadness.
7. The large mammals would go first.
8. The seas would die.
9. We must act now (then).
10. Solar and wind energy were our best hope.
We also knew we were all sisters and brothers; cousins; one family. We didn't know this because of science, we knew it in our hearts and in our souls. We sang, we danced, we marched. Somehow we also knew we all came from the same Mother. We knew the animals were to be understood, and the planet to be cherished. That's why we marched, gathered at Woodstock, sang for Peace, Peace NOW. That's why we thought it wise to make love and not war.
I entered the workforce in 1970s. The men in the workplace didn't want me there. It was their MAN'S world. They didn't want "mommy" there. We would see. SEE what they were doing. For 23 years they fought my existence. They had been fighting the female much longer than that. They tried to limit the power and influence of the feminine in the worklplace. They hurt many, MANY women. When we spoke of fairness, they called us "libbers". When I spoke of the earth or solar power, they called me a loser or an "old hippie" I was in fact, a utopian. I wanted the Earth to survive. For their/our children and for all life. Their punishment was brutal. They lied... they did anything to win. They "won".
In those years of my youth, I had often been moved to tears by what I knew, I mourned, I became so saddened by what I knew. Today, now I know. I am calm. I can only try and enlighten, try and help.
What do I know? I know that this is it. This is our last chance at greentime, rejuvenation, survival, evolution. I know we must change.
I moved to the country, I didn't have kids, I built a solar house, I built a small barn, a pond, all so I could "survive".
But you know what? Surviving isn't enough. It's not enough, if the planet doesn't survive, nothing will... none of us will.
We will have destroyed ALL. All the beauty, all the diversity, the great tigers, the great bears, the sweet Pandas, all the kittens and puppies, the fish, the birds, the sky. All the gifts that bring us joy. ALL.
Is that to be our legacy?
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» Fewer of "them"?
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- Good question -- as John Muir said...
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» Overpopulation can only be the result of bad policies be it trade, war, fossil fuel oversubsidizing,
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» RE: Overpopulation can only be the result of OVERBREEDING!
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» Please define "OVERBREEDING!"
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» RE: Please define "OVERBREEDING!" -- Glad to.
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- Good question -- as John Muir said...
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- You're still trying to put me in that Catch-22.
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- You're still trying to put me in that Catch-22.
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- You're still trying to put me in that Catch-22.
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» You still don't understand Catch-22.
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» RE: You still don't understand Catch-22. -- Allow me to clear that up for you.
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» RE: Fewer of "them"? -- You're still trying to put me in that Catch-22.
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» The hour's too late for all that, there's lots of other lives here besides humans.
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» RE: The hour's too late for all that, there's lots of other lives here besides humans.
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» RE: The hour's too late for all that, there's lots of other lives here besides humans.
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» Trust me, I'm willing to lend a hand.....
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» RE: Trust me, I'm willing to lend a hand... I guess that's a "Hypocritic" oath you took?
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» Relax, Pat.....
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» RE: Relax, Pat... "Who me? I didn't see anything!" says the good doctor...
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» RE: Trust me, I'm willing to lend a hand.. Your motive is closer to murder than mercy, Miss Mengele.
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» RE: So you're not an overbreeder even with 8 kids -- In your eagerness to attack me...
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» nothin' funny here to say
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» RE: nothin' funny here to say - Now you say, "I didn't think you had 8 kids." Yeah, right!
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» RE: nothin' funny here to say - Now you say, "I didn't think you had 8 kids." Yeah, right!
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» RE: nothin' funny here to say - Now you say, "I didn't think you had 8 kids." Yeah, right!
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» RE: Yes, those were the days... I remember that too and I know you meant us and not them.
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» You say, "Our desire to survive must include humility and generosity."
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» RE: You say, "Our desire to survive must include humility and generosity."
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» RE: You say, "Our desire to survive must include humility and generosity."
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 2, 2007 8:14 PM
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Posted by: Jordon on Jan 2, 2007 10:33 PM
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Go Global Warming Go!
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» RE: I fully support Global Warming -- We're coming gringo, eh? We're coming!
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» Your 8 kids and John Muir's bears can help
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» RE: My 8 kids? As usual, you're jumping to confusions. (nm)
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» no confusions; it was purposeful
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» RE: no confusions; it was purposeful -- Yes, yes, "purposeful"... yeah, that's it, "purposeful"!
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» RE: I fully support Global Warming - many of us do.
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» RE: I fully support Global Warming - many of us do.
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» RE: I fully support Global Warming - many of us do.
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» The main difference is the geography
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» RE: The main difference is the geography
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Posted by: ng1944 on Jan 3, 2007 8:26 AM
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He predicting for US tsunami and nuclear war next year.
And actually doing everithing for end of the world to happen
(as bible predicting).
Good company for environmental DOOMsdayers.
We have to put them all on one big Titanic
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jan 4, 2007 9:16 AM
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In the end, we'll have a credit collapse. This will do wonders for the energy and global warming problem. Hell of a way to solve a problem!
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Posted by: xbj on Jan 4, 2007 10:33 AM
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But that's not really about the environment... this is... want a real global "Pearl Harbor event"? Watch the Chinese blow the La Palma volcano in the Canary Islands into the Atlantic the second Bush nukes Iran. That little "Pearl Harbor" event will slam a Tsunami the height of the former World Trade Towers into the entire East Coast from New England to the tip of Florida and reach as far as 20 miles inland.
Good-bye New York, arrivederchi Washington DC, and adios Florida from sea to shining sea. Hello, nation's new capitol, Denver. Underground. FAR underground.
That fills the bill perfectly for your global "Pearl Harbor" environmental event. Although not caused by global warming.
Just by the never-ending greed, desperation, and stupidity of good ole' Amerikan Nazi War Pigs. And how the rest of the world deals with Nazis.
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Posted by: Oanedus on Jan 4, 2007 4:03 PM
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We need to re-examine geothermal energy resources.
Instead of the idea of pumping water 3- 4 miles underground to absorb the heat from beneath the earth, then collecting the heat energy through a series of heat exchangers, we need to look at installing efficient superconductors to transfer the heat to the earth's surface instead. This, combined with wind powered generators and electrical solar panels would help reduce the number of nuclear reactors being built worldwide.
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Posted by: Jordon on Jan 6, 2007 3:53 AM
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Now I know some of you are going to say that that is cruel. But I'm only talking about violent and repeat offenders, the guys who don't deserve humane treatment. And I know what you all will say: "everyone is entitled to humane treatment; it's what seperates us from the animals", or something along those lines. But we are animals, and besides, when someone commits a violent crime, they give up their rights as a person so far as I'm concerned. I don't support the death penalty becuase occasionaly the innocent are killed, however I fully support this idea. Put the criminals to work, and not just making liscence plates, make em generate the electricity needed to run the facility they are in. And whip them when they slack off.
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Posted by: CyberBrook on Jan 8, 2007 11:27 AM
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Meat Is a Global Warming Issue
By Dan Brook, E Magazine. Posted August 24, 2006.
http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/40639/
Vegetarianism does more to fight global warming, according to studies from the UN Food & Ag Org and the Univ of Chicago, than any one of the ten things on Al Gore's list (of course it's best to do as many as possible though).
Also see
Another Inconvenient Truth
www.anotherinconvenienttruth.org
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» RE: Meat Is a Global Warming Issue -- Gets back to overpopulation, of course.
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Posted by: SydneyZ on Jan 10, 2007 8:21 AM
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Personally I feel useless. There is nothing one person can do against global warming . . . yes finally people have accepted that the globe is warming. I agree with the person at the beginning saying that we should stop acting so unbelievably stupid and we should DO SOMETHING. Sitting around talking is not going to get anyone anywhere. In the end we are at fault and we only deserve another Ice Age to come upon us.
I could ramble on forever, but it's pointless, no use wasting all this energy if nothing anyone says will get heard anyway.
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