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Living in America’s Fringe Economy

By Howard Karger, Dollars and Sense. Posted December 29, 2006.


Millions of Americans live on the margins of the American economy, depending on the likes of payday lenders and pawnshops, who charge excessive interest rates and superhigh fees for their services.

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Ron Cook is a department manager at a Wal-Mart store in Atlanta. Maria Guzman is an undocumented worker from Mexico; she lives in Houston with her three children and cleans office buildings at night. Marty Lawson works for a large Minneapolis corporation. (The names have been changed to protect the privacy of the individuals.) What do these three people have in common? They are all regular fringe economy customers.

The term "fringe economy" refers to a range of businesses that engage in financially predatory relationships with low-income or heavily indebted consumers by charging excessive interest rates, superhigh fees, or exorbitant prices for goods or services. Some examples of fringe economy businesses include payday lenders, pawnshops, check-cashers, tax refund lenders, rent-to-own stores, and "buy-here/pay-here" used car lots. The fringe economy also includes credit card companies that charge excessive late payment or over-the-creditlimit penalties; cell phone providers that force less creditworthy customers into expensive prepaid plans; and subprime mortgage lenders that gouge prospective homeowners.

The fringe economy is hardly new. Pawnshops and informal high-interest lenders have been around forever. What we see today, however, is a fringe-economy sector that is growing fast, taking advantage of the ever-larger part of the U.S. population whose economic lives are becoming less secure. Moreover, in an important sense the sector is no longer "fringe" at all: more and more, large mainstream financial corporations are behind the high-rate loans that anxious customers in run-down storefronts sign for on the dotted line.

The Payday Lending Trap

Ron and Deanna Cook have two children and a combined family income of $48,000 -- more than twice the federal poverty line but still $10,000 below Georgia's median income. They are the working poor.

To make ends meet, the Cooks borrow from payday lenders. When Ron and Deanna borrow $300 for 14 days they pay $60 in interest -- an annual interest rate of 520%! If they can't pay the full $360, they pay just the $60 interest fee and roll over the loan for another two weeks. The original $300 loan now costs $120 in interest for 30 days. If they roll over the loan for another two-week cycle, they pay $180 in interest on a $300 loan for 45 days. If the payday lender permits only four rollovers, the Cooks sometimes take out a payday loan from another lender to repay the original loan. This costly cycle can be devastating. The Center for Responsible Lending tells the tale of one borrower who entered into 35 back-to-back payday loans over 17 months, paying $1,254 in fees on a $300 loan.

The Cooks take out about ten payday loans a year, which is close to the national average for payday loan customers. Although the industry claims payday loans are intended only for emergencies, a 2003 study of Pima County, Ariz., by the Financial services for the poor and credit-challenged are big business.

Southwest Center for Economic Integrity found that 67% of borrowers used their loans for general non-emergency bills. The Center for Responsible Lending found that 66% of borrowers initiate five or more loans a year, and 31% take out twelve or more loans yearly. Over 90% of payday loans go to borrowers with five or more loans a year. Customers who take out 13 or more loans a year account for over half of payday lenders' total revenues.

The Unbanked

Maria Guzman and her family are part of the 10% of U.S. households -- more than 12 million -- that have no relationship with a bank, savings institution, credit union, or other mainstream financial service provider. Being "unbanked," the Guzmans turn to the fringe economy for check cashing, bill payment, short-term pawn or payday loans, furniture and appliance rentals, and a host of other financial services. In each case, they face high user fees and exorbitant interest rates.

Without credit, the Guzmans must buy a car either for cash or through a "buy-here/pay-here" (BHPH) used car lot. At a BHPH lot they are saddled with a 28% annual percentage rate (APR) on a high-mileage and grossly overpriced vehicle. They also pay weekly, and one missed payment means a repossession. Since the Guzmans have no checking account, they use a check-casher who charges 2.7% for cashing their monthly $1,500 in payroll checks, which costs them $40.50 a month or $486 a year.

Like many immigrants, the Guzmans send money to relatives in their home country. (Money transfers from the United States to Latin America are expected to reach $25 billion by 2010.) If they sent $500 to Mexico on June 26, 2006, using Western Union's "Money in Minutes," they would have paid a $32 transfer fee. Moreover, Western Union's exchange rate for the transaction was 11.12 pesos for the U.S. dollar, while the official exchange rate that day was 11.44. The difference on $500 was almost $14, which raised the real costs of the transaction to $46, or almost 10% of the transfer amount. Without a checking account, the Guzmans turn to money orders or direct bill pay, both of which add to their financial expenses. For example, ACE Cash Express charges 79 cents per money order and $1 or more for each direct bill payment. If the Guzmans use money orders to pay six bills a month, the fees total nearly $57 a year; using direct bill pay, they would pay a minimum of $72 in fees per year.

All told, the Guzmans spend more than 10% of their income on alternative financial services, which is average for unbanked households. To paraphrase James Baldwin, it is expensive to be poor and unbanked in America.

The Cooks and the Guzmans, along with people like Marty Lawson caught in a cycle of credit card debt (see sidebar), may not fully appreciate the economic entity they are dealing with. Far from a mom-and-pop industry, America's fringe economy is largely dominated by a handful of large, well-financed multinational corporations with strong ties to mainstream financial institutions. It is a comprehensive and fully formed parallel economy that addresses the financial needs of the poor and credit-challenged in the same way as the mainstream economy meets the needs of the middle class. The main difference is the exorbitant interest rates, high fees, and onerous loan terms that mark fringe economy transactions.

The Scope of the Fringe Economy

The unassuming and often shoddy storefronts of the fringe economy mask the true scope of this economic sector. Checkcashers, payday lenders, pawnshops, and rent-to-own stores alone engaged in at least 280 million transactions in 2001, according to Fannie Mae Foundation estimates, generating about $78 billion in gross revenues. By comparison, in 2003 combined state and federal spending on the core U.S. social welfare programs -- Temporary Aid to Needy Families (AFDC's replacement), Supplemental Security Income, Food Stamps, the Women, Infants and Children (WIC) food program, school lunch programs, and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development's (HUD) low-income housing programs -- totaled less than $125 billion. Revenues in the combined sectors of the fringe economy -- including subprime home mortgages and refinancing, and used car sales -- would inflate the $78 billion several times over and eclipse federal and state spending on the poor.

There can be no doubt that the scope of the fringe economy is enormous. The Community Financial Services Association of America claims that 15,000 payday lenders extend more than $25 billion in short-term loans to millions of households each year. According to Financial Service Centers of America, 10,000 check-cashing stores process 180 million checks with a face value of $55 billion.

The sheer number of fringe economy storefronts is mindboggling. For example, ACE Cash Express -- only one of many such corporations -- has 68 locations within 10 miles of my Houston zip code. Nationwide there are more than 33,000 check-cashing and payday loan stores, just two parts of the fringe economy. That's more than the all the McDonald's and Burger King restaurants and all the Target, J.C. Penney, and Wal-Mart retail stores in the United States combined. ACE Cash Express is the nation's largest check-casher and exemplifies the growth and profitability of the fringe economy. In 1991 ACE had 181 stores; by 2005 it had 1,371 stores with 2,700 employees in 37 states and the District of Columbia. ACE's revenues totaled $141 million in 2000 and by 2005 rose to $268.6 million. In 2005 ACE:


  • cashed 13.3 million checks worth approximately $5.3 billion (check cashing fees totaled $131.6 million);

  • served more than 40 million customers (3.4 million a month or 11,000 an hour) and processed $10.3 billion in transactions;

  • processed over 2 million loan transactions (worth $640 million) and generated interest income and fees of $91.8 million;

  • added a total of 142 new locations (in 2006 the company anticipates adding 150 more);

  • processed over $410 million in money transfers and 7.6 million money orders with a face value of $1.3 billion;

  • processed over 7.8 million bill payment and debit card transactions, and sold approximately 172,000 prepaid debit cards.



Advance America is the nation's leading payday lender, with 2,640 stores in 36 states, more than 5,500 employees, and $630 million this year in revenues. Dollar Financial Corporation operates 1,106 stores in 17 states, Canada, and the United Kingdom. Their 2005 revenues were $321 million. Check-into-Cash has more than 700 stores; Check N' Go has 900 locations in 29 states. Almost all of these are publicly traded NASDAQ corporations.

There were 4,500 pawnshops in the United States in 1985; now there are almost 12,000, including outlets owned by five publicly traded chains. In 2005 the three big chains -- Cash America International (a.k.a Cash America Pawn and Super- Pawn), EZ Pawn, and First Cash -- had combined annual revenues of nearly $1 billion. Cash America is the largest pawnshop chain, with 750 locations; the company also makes payday loans through its Cash America Payday Advance, Cashland, and Mr. Payroll stores. In 2005, Cash America's revenues totaled $594.3 million.

The Association of Progressive Rental Organizations claims that the $6.6 billion a year rent-to-own (RTO) industry serves 2.7 million households through 8,300 stores in 50 states. Many RTOs rent everything from furniture, elec tronics, major appliances, and computers to jewelry. Rent- A-Center is the largest RTO corporation in the world. In 2005 it employed 15,000 people; owned or operated 3,052 stores in the United States and Canada; and had revenues of $2.4 billion. Other leading RTO chains include Aaron Rents (with 1,255 stores across the United States and Canada and gross revenues of $1.1 billion in 2005) and RentWay (with 788 stores in 34 states and revenues of almost $516 million in 2005).

These corporations represent the tip of the iceberg. Low-income consumers spent $1.75 billion for tax refund loans in 2002. Many lost as much as 16% of their tax refunds because of expensive tax preparation fees and/or interest incurred in tax refund anticipation loans. The interest and fees on such loans can translate into triple-digit annualized interest rates, according to the Consumer Federation of America, which has also reported that 11 million tax filers received refund anticipation loans in 2000, almost half through H&R Block. According to a Brookings Institution report, the nation's largest tax preparers earned about $357 million from fringe economy "fast cash" products in 2001, more than double their earnings in 1998. All for essentially lending people their own money!

The fringe economy plays a big role in the housing market, where subprime home mortgages rose from 35,000 in 1994 to 332,000 in 2003, a 25% a year growth rate and a tenfold increase in just nine years. (A subprime loan is a loan extended to less creditworthy customers at a rate that is higher than the prime rate.) According to Edward Gramlich, former member of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, subprime mortgages accounted for almost $300 billion or 9% of all mortgages in 2003.

While the fringe economy squeezes its customers, it is generous to its CEOs. According to Forbes, salaries in many fringe economy corporations rival those in much larger companies. In 2004 Sterling Brinkley, chairman of EZ Corp, earned $1.26 million; ACE's CEO Jay Shipowitz received $2.1 million on top of $2.38 million in stocks; Jeffrey Weiss, Dollar Financial Group's CEO, earned $1.83 million; Mark Speese, Rent-A-Center's CEO, made $820,000 with total stock options of $10 million; and Cash America's CEO Daniel Feehan was paid almost $2.2 million in 2003 plus the $9 million he had in stock options.

Fringe-economy corporations argue that the high interest rates and fees they charge reflect the heightened risks of doing business with an economically unstable population. While fringe businesses have never made their pricing criteria public, some risks are clearly overstated. For example, ACE assesses the risk of each check-cashing transaction and reports losses of less than 1%. Since tax preparers file a borrower's taxes, they are reasonably assured that refund anticipation loans will not exceed refunds. To further guarantee repayment, they often establish an escrow account into which the IRS directly deposits the tax refund check. Pawnshops lend only about 50% of a pawned item's value, which leaves them a large buffer if the pawn goes unclaimed (industry trade groups claim that 70% of customers do redeem their goods). The rent-to-own furniture and appliance industry charges well above the "street price" for furniture and appliances, which is more than enough to offset any losses. Payday lenders require a post-dated check or electronic debit to assure repayment. Payday loan losses are about 6% or less, according to the Center for Responsible Lending.

Much of the profit in the fringe economy comes from financing rather than the sale of a product. For example, if a used car lot buys a vehicle for $3,000 and sells it for $5,000 cash, their profit is $2,000. But if they finance that vehicle for two years at a 25% APR, the profit jumps to $3,242. This dynamic is true for virtually every sector of the fringe economy. A customer who pays off a loan or purchases a good or service outright is much less profitable for fringe economy businesses than customers who maintain an ongoing financial relationship with the business. In that sense, profit in the fringe economy lies with keeping customers continually enmeshed in an expensive web of debt.

Funding and Exporting America's Fringe Economy

Fringe economy corporations require large amounts of capital to fund their phenomenal growth, and mainstream financial institutions have stepped up to the plate. ACE Cash Express has a relationship with a group of banks including Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase Bank, and JP Morgan Securities to provide capital for acquisitions and other activities.

Advance America has relationships with Morgan Stanley, Banc of America Securities LLC, Wachovia Capital Markets, and Wells Fargo Securities, to name a few. Similar banking relationships exist throughout the fringe economy.

The fringe economy is no longer solely a U.S. phenomenon. In 2003 the HSBC Group purchased Household International (and its subsidiary Beneficial Finance) for $13 billion. Headquartered in London, HSBC is the world's second largest bank and serves more than 90 million customers in 80 countries. Household International is a U.S.-based consumer finance company with 53 million customers and more than 1,300 branches in 45 states. It is also a predatory lender. In 2002, a $484 million settlement was reached between Household and all 50 states and the District of Columbia. In effect, Household acknowledged it had duped tens of thousands of low-income home buyers into loans with unnecessary hidden costs. In 2003, another $100 million settlement was reached based on Household's abusive mortgage lending practices.

HSBC plans to export Household's operations to Poland, China, Mexico, Britain, France, India, and Brazil, for starters. One shudders to think how the fringe economy will develop in nations with even fewer regulatory safeguards than the United States. Presumably, HSBC also believes that predatory lending will not tarnish the reputation of the seven British lords and one baroness who sit on its 20-member board of directors.

What Can be Done?

The fringe economy is one of the few venues that creditchallenged or low-income families can turn to for financial help. This is especially true for those facing a penurious welfare system with a lifetime benefit cap and few mechanisms for emergency assistance. In that sense, enforcing strident usury and banking laws to curb the fringe economy while providing no legal and accessible alternatives would hurt the very people such laws are intended to help by driving these transactions into a criminal underground. Instead of ending up in court, non-paying debtors would wind up in the hospital. Simply outlawing a demand-driven industry is rarely successful.

One strategy to limit the growth of the fringe economy is to develop more community-based lending institutions modeled on the Grameen Bank or on local cooperatives. Although community banks might charge a higher interest rate than commercial banks charge prime rate customers, the rates would still be significantly lower than in the existing fringe sector.

Another policy option is to make work pay, or at least make it pay better. In other words, we need to increase the minimum wage and the salaries of the lower middle class and working poor. One reason for the rapid growth of the fringe economy is the growing gap between low and stagnant wages and higher prices, especially for necessities like housing, health care, pharmaceuticals, and energy.

Stricter usury laws, better enforcement of existing banking regulations, and a more active federal regulatory system to protect low-income consumers can all play a role in taming the fringe economy. Concurrently, federal and state governments can promote the growth of non-predatory community banking institutions. In addition, commercial banks can provide low-income communities with accessible and inexpensive banking services. As the "DrillDown" studies conducted in recent years by the Washington, D.C., nonprofit Social Compact suggest, low-income communities contain more income and resources than one might think. If fringe businesses can make billions in low-income neighborhoods, less predatory economic institutions should be able to profit there too. Lastly, low and stagnant wages make it difficult, if not impossible, for the working poor to make ends meet without resorting to debt. A significant increase in wages would likely result in a significant decline in the fringe economy. In the end, several concerted strategies will be required to restrain this growing and out-of-control economic beast.

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Howard Karger is professor of social work at the University of Houston, and author of Shortchanged: Life and Debt in the Fringe Economy (Berrett-Koehler, 2005).

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Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 29, 2006 12:39 AM   
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If we had a decent government in the USA these criminal predators (CEOs) would be in jail instead of being rich and their working victims would be much less likely to be thrown in jail and/or into poverty. Instead of the people owning their government, the selfish rich own our government and its people as well. It is a new form of slavery.

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The Ugly Truth
Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 29, 2006 2:01 AM   
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Somewhere along the line our country has changed from one based upon a strong sense of community and fairness to an 'I've got mine so eff you' attitude. Americans have been sold a bill of goods for a couple of generations now and it's been financed by the liquidation of assets and overextended credit.

Tens of millions that think of themselves as middle class and above the rabble are but one or two ugly blows from being in a financial trap with no easy way out. They have borrowed and leveraged everything to keep up with the Joneses and are living way beyond their real means. They have bought the NeoCon lies hook, line and sinker, voting for politicians and polices that are directly against the public, and their personal, interest.

The dirty little secret is that the uninsured, under-housed and fringe-economy population work, many 2 and 3 jobs to pay their own way. They make too much for government means-tested help, but not enough to get ahead. They are derided as trailer trash/poor white trash/etc. by people in the media that would howl with outrage if the same vitriol were applied to any ethnic or racial group.

Our nation is drowning in debt: government, corporate, institutional and personal. US currency is a house of cards balanced upon the Dollar being the standard reserve and exchange currency. When the rest of the world gets tired of seeing their Dollars depreciated they will move away from the Dollar to the Euro or other currency. When it happens nobody will have to tell you because things will get very ugly- very quick.

When the Dollar starts it's free fall the tens of millions that supported the NeoCons and DLC types that have stripped consumer and financial protections from the law to benefit their campaign contributors are going to feel very duped and betrayed. When interest rates on their debt shoots sky high, credit becomes very tight and rapidly inflating prices for necessities exceed their deflated income they will see the personal price of their political folly.

All the things laid out in the article above are examples of a culture based upon greed, selfishness & denial. Our nation has been living in a Fool's Paradise and the bill will come due. When it comes things are going to be ugly for all but the very wealthy (liquid- not on paper).

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Some states make it easier
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Dec 29, 2006 3:15 AM   
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Banking is mostly regulated at the state level - some states have made it easier to get low or no fee checking accounts. Requiring a certain level of bank competition helps too. Banking was never one of the dog-eat-dog sectors of capitalism, at least since the Depression - it's supposed to be regulated, dammit!

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Whole Scale Change
Posted by: anothername on Dec 29, 2006 3:27 AM   
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When housing prices started to stablize and to fall earlier in 2006, a commentator noted that there is no problem with people being able to meet mortgages. The problem was that people could not sell their houses if they ran into financial difficulties. There's a message in there somewhere, but I'm not quite sure how to interpret it. The attitude seemed appropriate to share here, however.

We have payday lenders and high interest rate car loans because the market demands it. Worse, the lack of investment in public transportation, housing by jobs and grocery stores/pharmacies, and other practical services forces people to buy cars, spend money on health insurance or health care, and otherwise need to consider payday lenders. We also have a culture that makes $70 for a cell phone with unlimited calls seem like a bargain, when a landline costs less than $30 and is useful if there are not many long distance calls.

Banks do not use the official exchange rate, either. Those "free" traveller checks are paid for by a small variation on exchange rates. Thus, Western Union's charges do not bother me.

Laws allow, and insist, upon renter background checks that cause $20 and higher application fees. I'm sure that there are numerous other examples that people can give of nickels and dimes that add up to creating a need to go to a payday lender or to turn to a credit card, for many lower-than-median income households.

My point is that we cannot just blame payday lenders and the ilk. We must look at the larger picture, and that means investing in our communities and our citizens so that people can make fair choices based on their income. Heck, it also means letting people choose jobs that do not pay $100,000 a year while still being allowed to have decent housing, quality environmentally-friendly transportation, and good health care and retirement savings options.

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oneyedjack
Posted by: oneyedjack on Dec 29, 2006 3:47 AM   
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I agree predatory lenders and other assorted scumbags that take advantage should be eliminated. However, I'm not quite sure just what other point the story is trying to make. An immigrant - may or may not be able to get a checking account - I know quite a few who do have same. Mr. Cook and wife with 48K per year and 2 children have only themselves to blame for falling into the payday lending trap. Georgia is relatively low cost living (unless you are in Atlanta proper), and 48K should be enough to live on. Many, many, many families with children in this country have much less and would love to have 48K a year.
I'm 69, wife 65 combined (only) income social security 27K, and that is before medicare and prescription plan deductions. We live in Philly, rent, maintain an 8 year old car with insurance and both have bank (checking) accounts. No credit cards. Just finished Christmas which means presents for 10 grandkids and other family members. We can still eat out on occassion (no, not a fast food joint). And no, we have no ready reserves or savings to fall back on it is a matter of making do. I am not thrilled with having to just "make do" but that is the reality of it all.

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In my mid-sized southern California city...
Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 29, 2006 3:57 AM   
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...there are no banks in the larger areas of the city that are poor, but there are check cashing and payday loan storefronts. I don't know if that's because banks won't do business with people who don't have an account there (I wanted to buy a roll of quarters one time but couldn't do it, or use my credit card for a cash advance, unless I had an account at the bank) or whether people go where they know they will not be personally hassled, just charged more.

My bank used to keep a branch in a poor neighborhood but moved when they got tired of having their ATM jammed regularly by kids who also drove the public phones off the street by damaging them.

Yes it's a vicious cycle. Urban areas continue to deteriorate. Little or nothing is done to rehab those areas because when that has been tried in the past, resistance to change has come from the local areas; they have no other place to live.

No, you will not find bargains, of any kind, in poor neighborhoods. All prices are higher on the basics of food, clothing, and shelter. Our economy requires an Underclass. Capitalism means that we have winners and losers. Always has, always will.

Usury laws? Who do you think pays for political campaigns in this country? The financial sector. Doesn't matter that their profit levels continue to rise; they continue to demand more. It's what power is all about.

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The irony!
Posted by: katrivers64 on Dec 29, 2006 5:53 AM   
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Does anyone else have payday loan shark ads popping up in the sidebar as you read this very article? Does any of this sort of advertising go to Alternet? I don't know how this sidebar ad thing works . . .

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Fiat Money!
Posted by: mite on Dec 29, 2006 6:18 AM   
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First of all stop Illegal Aliens from entering this country.

Second: Any business who caters to Illegal Aliens should have their business fined and owner put on propation.

Third: End The Federal Reserve Board and Federal Reserve Bank.

Fourth: Inforce Executive Order 11110 signed by President Kennedy to return U.S. Back to the citizens and coin our own Money as per the U.S. Constitution Article1, Sec: 8.

Fifth: Reclaim our Undisputed & Unalienable Rights:

Sixth: Examine the 16th (IRS) and 17th (Election of Senators) Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

www.wtpconstitutionalactivism.org

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Nothing will change until the Left stops focusing on Race-and-Gender Politics
Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Dec 29, 2006 6:57 AM   
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Nothing will change until the American left stops focusing on race and gender politics. Race-and-gender politics divides the populace into warring factions. That is why the much of the white working class votes against their own interests and voted for Bush, etc.

And look at all the little posers here on this thread talking about how so many workers to work two jobs. THEY don't do it. Most of them are trustifarians.

I only know one person who works two jobs--a brazilian immigrant who works at walmart with my wife and also cleans apartments. She does not need to do that-- her husband inspects oil pipelines and makes enough money. She just wants to buy a car for herself.

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Shysters
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 29, 2006 7:22 AM   
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These people should be shunned by the community, assets seized, and prosecuted for usury. In the old days citizens wouldn't put up with these crimes and would, lacking proper government oversight, tar and feather those bastards. We need major banking reform couple with strong usury laws.

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» RE: Shysters Posted by: b4upoo
» RE: Shysters indeed Posted by: sasquuatch55
I can remember the day the bankruptcy bill was sign how pawn shops in my area
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 29, 2006 7:33 AM   
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cheered and celebrated. They were nasty as they were but nowadays they're even nastier. For example, most of the clerks are free to cuss at their customers and what's worse, they actually get rewarded for doing it. If we want to save social security, we must first get off the bureaucratic wagon and save the economic lives of people of all ages by GUNNING down the policies in America that allow politicians and bad CEOs to run up the debts on purpose all the while the same policies that ruthlessly punish poor and middle class individuals who are FORCED into bankruptcy which is rarely of their own doing unlike what the corporatists would have you think.

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Where is Soros when you need him
Posted by: TnMan on Dec 29, 2006 8:32 AM   
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Maybe George Soros should start his own pawnshop / payday lending institution and charge reasonable rates for the services he provides. He'd get plenty of business.

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Here in Louisville....
Posted by: CatDad on Dec 29, 2006 9:02 AM   
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There are certain sections of town where these "payday" loans are popping up like mushrooms after a rainstorm...There are a couple of areas where there are such establishments literally every 500 feet. Back in the olden days it was the mafia that used to make such loans...the government considered it "usury" and did not allow legitimate businesses to do this...it was all underground. Now in our predatory capitalism economic model...the concept of "usury" is considered outdated...the skies the limit on interest rates! Too bad if poor working class folk or newbie E-1 military recruits get get into trouble....

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Marvin R
Posted by: Marvin R on Dec 29, 2006 9:24 AM   
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Ultimately, in a democratic state, the voters are responsible for the government they elect.

If they are controled by a government that intentionally utilizes all means of communication to propagandize and manipulate the voters, (Remember Hitler?) and the moral leadership is silent, (Religions), what are our alternatives? Submission? Anarchy?

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» RE: Marvin R Posted by: b4upoo
NYS Government says......
Posted by: picket on Dec 29, 2006 9:28 AM   
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"they can hang up."..... relating to an editorial today in the Albany Times .."CALL IT AN OUTRAGE"..... about how families and friends of New York inmates have to pay 5x as much for a call from their loved ones. 57.5% of the profit collected by Verizon or MCI goes back to the Dept of Corrections [?????to pay for food???]
The families and friends thus are paying part of the cost of the incarceration. The editorial makes a good point I think,."..that obligation[ the cost of incarceration] should be considered settled when they[family] pay their state taxes".
Living on the fringe with all those HIDDEN taxes!!!!!!

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For a few Dollars more...
Posted by: ekipnrut on Dec 29, 2006 9:41 AM   
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A MUST read:
For an extremely incisive and fact focused perspective
on how the issues discussed in the article manifest them-
selves in an international 'global economy' context, see
Vandana Shiva on NPR (December 13, 2006):
linked text

The link will take you to NPR...then just use the 'search' tool
within NPR on "Vandana Shiva"...the first two items are
compelling ...WELL worth reading!

But getting back to some 'local' items in America,
Start with:
1) Raising the minimum wage to say 15.00/hr. and indexing
regular periodic increases to indicia of increased cost(s)
of living.
As I understand it the Dems are proposing a raise to 7.25
over a two year period....this extends from 30 to 70 feet
a lifeline thrown to someone 200 feet out.
2) Universal health care
3) Affordable safe mass transit
4) Forgiveness of all student loans and massive curtailment
of existing programs. Higher Ed would be FREE...up to
and including Graduate and Professional school(s).
HOWEVER beneficiaries of same would in turn give
2-4 yearsof community/public service (including military),
the latter(military)on a voluntary basis.
There is no sense in people having to mortgage their
lives to acquire an 'education' that society needs them
to have in order to function and grow...I mean we do
want society-as a whole- to function and grow..right?;o)
5) A MEGA undertaking of rebuilding the decaying infra-
structure.This wouid provide billions and hundreds of tho-
usands of jobs for(cuirrent) subsistence level workers

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See you soon at the food bank
Posted by: shangrilalad on Dec 29, 2006 9:43 AM   
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Millions of Americans have been priced out of the consumer market. We don’t buy trendy gadgets, luxury automobiles, or vacations homes; we can’t even afford health insurance. Many of us can barely afford basic necessities, like food, rent, and medicine.

Every day tens of thousands of formerly middleclass Americans are joining our ranks, thanks to the escalating outsourcing of our jobs, rapidly increasing rents, utilities and insurance. For fifty or sixty million of us, your future is our reality now.

Republicans have gotten away with the greatest rip-off in history with their middleclass tax cuts written in disappearing ink. To finance actual tax cuts for the most affluent Americans, they have mortgaged your future beyond your ability to pay. They are printing money which is essentially worthless because the cost of repaying loans we owe to ourselves and foreign countries greatly exceeds our ability to repay without massive tax increases in the future. Who do you think are going to be taxed to repay those loans? Not the rich, many of their tax cuts haven’t even kicked in yet. They have been granted immunity from future tax increases.

Not to worry though, give the Republicans enough rope and they will hang themselves, along with he rest of us.

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Predatory lending: This is one of the few instances in which I could tolerate...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 29, 2006 10:11 AM   
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...the government stepping in, restricting our liberties, and protecting people from their own poor planning, stupidity, and (in some instances) devastating circumstances beyond their control by shutting these awful "businesses" the hell down.

Pay-Day lending companies that exercise predatory lending practices (all of them, currently) should be subject to some RICO-esque prosecution. I've seen too many people utterly and intentionally ruined by these scumbags.

As a (very aside) side note, how many folks out there know that a certain greedy, disgusting oinker named Al Sharpton was hawking these predators' services upon "his people"--or as people who genuinely give a damn about civil rights like to call them--OUR fellow citizens.

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» Pretty obtuse. Posted by: ABetterFuture
know someone
Posted by: Gregor on Dec 29, 2006 10:26 AM   
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I know someone who owns one of those PayDay Loans that charge ridiculous prices. In Oregon they did put a cap on it, but he has a beautiful home built in the real trendy area of Oregon. AND I don't think the cap or the reduction amount really affects him much. He and his wife only care about showing off their luxuries with their friends...I say bring back peer pressure where it is not cool to have new things. Where it is not cool to own a big home or a brand new expensive car. If we change how we respond to these stupid a-holes who have to show off "stuff" all the time so they can be in the "In" crowd, we would put their own perception of themselves into a tailspin. Majority rules and the elite groups are put down for their boorishness.

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» RE: know someone Posted by: Hardcore Hopeful
critic
Posted by: critic on Dec 29, 2006 10:47 AM   
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So the answer is forcing higher than market value wages hurting mostly the small business owner who creates a bulk of jobs in the economy, and more government regulation and the leakage on the economy that costs. Not a mention of educational programs and jobs training to help these people move up into the mainstream. Seems that would be a much longer lasting, more cost effective and better for all solution that more government regs that won't be enforced and disincenting business owners from growing.

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Education
Posted by: sheena2u on Dec 29, 2006 11:37 AM   
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We must find the way to educate people about predatory businesses. We must let people khow easy it is to be entrapped, and how possible it is to make better choices in life.

The next step is to put laws in effect that outlaw usury, and predatory lending practices. We must also eventually change the bankruptcy laws back, and allow people to sue medical organizations when the people are harmed by them. We now have too many laws that give excess power to big companies while taking power and protection from people. We must wake up, and take our country back.

We must end the big tax cuts for the very rich. These tax cuts are immoral and they are crippling our country. We can raise the minimum wage, and provide health care for every American. We can do alot of things for Americans, and for America when we stop tolerating public representatives who put corporate interests above the needs of the people.

We must educate ourselves enough to elect representatives who are interested in the welfare of the people they serve, and who have the will and talent to lead. We must be discerning enough to make better choices in life, and elect represenatives who have integrity and honor to uphold common good over the desires of predatory companies, monopolies, and white collar criminals.

We can have a better world, and a better country. It doesn't have to be the way it is. We can have a world where fairness and decency reign. We can offer our children a world where cooperation, honesty, and social responsibility is the rule rather than the exception.

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» RE: education Posted by: critic
» Disagree.... Posted by: CatDad
» RE: education Posted by: sheena2u
» RE: ducation Posted by: sasquuatch55
Use Mozilla Firefox
Posted by: doctorsquared on Dec 29, 2006 11:40 AM   
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and you can turn off all the sidebars you want to.

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A question re: debit cards
Posted by: just john on Dec 29, 2006 12:02 PM   
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In your rundown, you mention this stat:

... and sold approximately 172,000 prepaid debit cards.

Is there a problem with prepaid debit cards that I don't know about? Or was this just to illustrate the huge size of the corporation you were describing?

All things considered, this was a very good article.

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Yes, it's all those things but how about personal responsibility too?
Posted by: MAD on Dec 29, 2006 1:04 PM   
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Rent-a-Sofa, Mr. Crack Payday Loans, Hoopty Auto Sales and the like are predators who benefit from the precarious socio-economic position of lower-income consumers, but let's not forget that, no matter how monolithic the institution or predominant the practice, there is that troubling matter of personal responsibility to be discussed. Discussions like these are always fascinating to me because they so closely resemble a deterministic pity party.

I am not prepared to assert that [insert your scapegoat here] is not, at least in part, responsible for the predicament in which a variety of Americans find themselves but just answer this question honestly:

How many "poor" Americans can afford cable t.v. but can't pay the electric bill? How many have Dish Network or premium channels like HBO but are always late on the rent? How many drive cars they cannot afford (and often drive them uninsured) but can always afford an eighth? How many underpriveleged folks have you seen spend $50 getting drunk come Friday night? I know, I know - their lives are so devoid of hope that drink is all they have. Now that we've cleared that up, how many of you know minimum wagers that still manage to purchase a $200 cell phone? After you're done flaming me, pay attention to these small but important details. I won't deny that the cards are stacked against the lower classes, but the American entitlement mentality is partially to blame and we all know it.

I do believe that Americans are cheated regarding healthcare and a variety of other essential service, but no one puts a gun to someone's head and obliges them to accept a credit card with 17% interest or a new sofa that totals $2500 dollars upon final payment.

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» why no bank account? Posted by: mnlefty
» A2=Ann Arbor? Posted by: Torgo
» Full of it Posted by: scryberwitch
» RE: Full of it...Yes Posted by: ekipnrut
» RE: and then ther's the advertisers Posted by: sasquuatch55
The Mainstream Banks are Far Worse
Posted by: outwest on Dec 29, 2006 1:57 PM   
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I just got through with five years on the fringe as 'the working poor'. I had weekly visits to check cashing places, pawn shops, 'debt consolidation' scams . . . we had outrageous interest rates through our mainstream lenders because of our ever dwindling credit score (often due to our debt consolidators that paid everything 16 days late consistently . . . but I digress).

Our house suddenly rocketed in value (thank goodness we owned a home) and we sold it, paid off all our earthly debts, and bought another home with what was left as our down payment. Now we have only a modest home loan as debt. Life is wonderful!

But what I wanted to comment about is that the whole time I had a reasonable paying job, never defaulted on any payments, and didnt live extravagantly. But payday loan establishments (and it's true they were very expensive) saved us from thousands of dollars in mainstream bank fees.

Case in point: due to unexpected medical expenses, car repairs, etc. sometimes we would find ourselves maybe 20 dollars short once things got bad. There were a couple of times when we accidentally bounced a check for [literally] $2.12 which wound up costing us [literally] upwards of $300 at the bank by the time all the fees compounded. We finally tired of that and started using pawn shops and payday loans.

It worked and we finally got out of our hole. But had it not been for those joints we would be bankrupt and homeless at the moment. People don't start their problems at the payday loan centers. The payday loan centers are the only alternative to bankruptcy after all the 'mainstream creditors' that are shielded from demonization get through with people.

I worry as people demonize those businesses and try to legislate them out of existence what will happen for people [in the situation I was in] in the future. A lot of these people who self-righteously criticize the fringe locations are desperately misguided as to the real problems with the 'mainstream lenders'. I often felt like the payday loan centers were kind of the 'Bailey Savings and Loan' (from it's a wonderful life) who at least offer some possibilities compared to Henry Potter's bank (i.e. Wells Fargo, Citibank, and the rest) who just charge fees up the wazoo to only their poorest customers until they have no alternatives left.

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» overdraft protection? Posted by: mnlefty
The American economy
Posted by: willymack on Dec 29, 2006 4:21 PM   
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Our economy is near collapse. The only reason it's not apparent as yet is that the rest of the world will go down the chute with us if we fall, and is trying to keep us afloat. This won't (and shouldn't) continue much longer because of the contemtuous attitude of the crooks in Washington towards the rest of the world. We're close to the point where they'll say : "To hell with them; let 'em sink and we'll take our chances".

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» RE: The American economy Posted by: yellow
Double-edged sword
Posted by: terihu on Dec 30, 2006 12:41 AM   
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Yes, the corporations who prey on the poor are scum, and the way they squeeze exorbitant fees for basic banking services should be regulated and controlled. I'm all for holding the rich and powerful responsible to the rest of society...but I have no illusions that this would put an end to the problem.

Let's not forget that a lot of the poor CHOOSE not enter into the mainstream economy, for their own odd and (to me) incomprehensible reasons.

For example, a woman I know is married to a man who is dealing with child support issues from a previous relationship, he's been ducking his court-ordered payments for years, claiming that he gave his ex money but didn't keep track of it, etc... I don't know whether or not to believe him, it's probably one of those partial truths: he did give her some money, but not as much as he should've, and now she's claiming he never gave her anything. You know how nasty these things get.

While it's understandable that HE doesn't want a bank account because it gives his ex a way to take his money, SHE could open a bank account in her own name, no problem...cash his checks for him (he works under the table, so he could even have them written out to her)...but no. Neither of them have a bank account and go to a check cashing place each week.

I've suggested, repeatedly, that she open her own bank account, but she won't do it. Partly because she's just passive, and partly because having that power over him makes her uncomfortable. This is her twisted idea of marital solidarity, her way of standing by her man. Until they can open a joint account together, neither of them will have one.

Go figure.

We can change the system, but that doesn't mean those who are being exploited will make use of the changes.

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The nanny government
Posted by: gellero on Dec 30, 2006 2:36 AM   
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No one forces people to do any of the above, or for that matter, have kids to support. If check cashers are bad, don't borrow. If you can't borrow, don't buy. If you can't afford rent, live with your mon and dad....not my problem.

And how much do you think wages have been depressed by illegal immigrants?? If you think check cashers charge too much, open a business and charge less.

Oh, excuse me, all the posters here are whiners. The actual work of setting up a business and risking your own wealth is always the other guys job.

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» RE: The nanny government Posted by: MSharp
Poor choices
Posted by: gordonroy on Dec 30, 2006 6:50 AM   
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The pay day loans companies only exist because there is a demand for them. Nobody is forced to borrow from them and everyone knows that it is expensive. You only have to have made use of their services once or twice to work this out for yourself. The reason why people borrow money is because they want to have something now that they cannot afford. They want to live the American Dream but cannot afford it. People live in the 3rd world on a fraction of the salary that a lowly paid worker earns in America, and they do not starve and they do not make use of credit, and by and large they are happier than our "poor" American workers. Why do average / poor Americans have to have cars? - there is public transport. Why do they have to have 2 cars? Why do they have to drive American gas guzzlers, that are fuel inneficient and pollute the environment? Why not drive a fuel efficient Korean import which costs far less? Why not purchase groceries and cook food at home, which is far cheaper, rather than buy junk food which is unhealthy and more expensive? Why do people wear $100 Nike sneakers that cost $2 to make in a 3rd world sweat shop?

The answer to all of the above is that people make choices according to their priorities. Unfortunately, most of the poor working class people in America have totally warped priorities about what is important. That is why they are in debt because they waste money as a result of their poor choices. Then because they cant live within their means they run off to a payday loan shop. Then it is the pay day loans shops problem because they are being exploited..... People need to take responsibility for themselves and their decisions and not blame others for their problems. Why should anyone be upset with a payday loan shop and want to ban them or worse as has been written above - they are providing a service. Should we ban cigarettes because people choose to smoke them despite knowing of the dangers. Should we ban alcohol because people use it irresponsibly. Should we ban junkfood and Macdonalds because people become obese. This is a free country and people have freedom of choice. If they make wrong choices it is their fault alone.

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» Eternal victims . . . Posted by: MAD
» RE: ternal victims . . . Posted by: Ian MacLeod
Better yet, why not CHANGE THE ENTIRE EDUCATIONAL CURRICULM?
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 30, 2006 9:12 AM   
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FIXING OUR SCHOOLS IS NOT ABOUT MORE MONEY

How To Make The Public Education System Top Notch Without Breaking The Bank

by Christopher C. Ballatine



FEBRUARY 16, 2004 – Head Start, school funding, more money, testing.

The ideas being tossed about by both parties show that neither get what is actually the problem with our free public education system. So we at The Moderate Independent are here to lay out three simple, low-to-no-cost steps that could drastically change the nature of public education and make a high school diploma once again something worth attaining in and of itself.

UNDERSTANDING THE PROBLEM

The basic issue is not generally about money.

Having said that, we must note that there are absolutely some schools that are being given short shrift, schools in places like the south side of Chicago where rodents attend with the children and text books don't exist in useful numbers. We are not addressing such pathetic aberrations, which are inexcusable and should be remedied immediately.

But the American secondary education system - otherwise known as high school - has a general problem. It is only useful are a catalyst for admission to college.

In other words, in and of itself, high school does not actually educate students in a manner that is useful in the world. The base education up through 10th grade is fine, but unless the last two years contain matter which makes a high school diploma useful - indeed important to attain - in and of itself, there is nothing that can be done to improve our education system.

As a matter of explaining the problems and remedies, here are three simple curriculum changes that would render high school graduates truly ready for the world, and a high school diploma a desirable - and respected - thing, as it used to be before usefulness was afforded only to those who could afford college.

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» RE: lottery Posted by: sasquuatch55
CHANGE 1 - MAKING A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION AN END IN AND OF ITSELF
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 30, 2006 9:13 AM   
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Unless you want to go on to college, what you are taught in high school beyond the 10th grade is pointless. You will not need trigonometry or calculus. Advanced history is nice to use during bar conversations later in life but not that useful.

So the question arises, what would be useful? In order to be truly educated to step out into the world with a useful base of knowledge, what should a modern day student be taught?

Basic to every profession - be it mechanic, investor, inventor, artist - is one necessary school of information: how to start and run a business. While a Harvard MBA degree certainly will offer more than any high school ever could, the basics of accounting, what forms are required, what laws exist - the basics of how to start and run a business - could easily be taught over the course of junior and senior year. And such information would not only be useful to every student, no matter what pursuit they choose or whether they go on to college or not, but, just as importantly, would appeal to students, making those last two years of high school something they have a reason to want to complete and learn from.

The biggest problem with a high school education today is that it enables you to do nothing in the world. But the basic knowledge of how to start and run and business is the central building block that made America. No matter whether someone's fancy is Karate, music, auto repair, or if they go on to get an advanced degree, knowing how to start and run a business, how to file the forms, keep the books, the basics of regulations involved with hiring people, would open a new world of opportunity to all.

And while now the only incentive during junior and senior year in high school is to get good grades if you wish to go on to college, and nothing if you don't, because the the classes presented offer no useful, real world information in and of themselves, teaching how to start and run a business during these last two years would give students something they truly can take and apply no matter what path they choose in life. And so suddenly a high school education would become a useful end.

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STEP 2 - PREPARING STUDENTS FOR THE BASICS OF THE REAL WORLD
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 30, 2006 9:13 AM   
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Years and years of public school education and students come out not knowing even the basics about: the stock market, mutual funds, money markets, options. Sure students hear of these things, but they are not taught what they actually are, how one can participate in them, what are the risks and what are some useful strategies for investing.

Last year - yet again - the number of personal bankruptcies in our nation reached an all-time high. Our nation cannot continue on in a prosperous manner if our citizens continue to go belly up from poor financial choices.

And so central to the junior and senior year curriculum should be money management and investing. Knowing how to take advantage of IPO's, knowing long term investment strategies, knowing what a 401K is and how to use one if you end up with one, knowing you can get a better return by putting savings in a money market instead of a basic savings account, understanding the problems of revolving credit card debt, all of these things are easily taught, vitally important, basic knowledge for today's world. And none of these things are taught to high school students, who instead are stuck in classes that have no meaning to them.

Making the basics of financial management and investing a part of the junior and senior year high school curriculum would once again not only provide a vital knowledge base to America's young adults, reducing the number of personal bankruptcies and enhancing the ability of our citizens the thrive in the world, but would make a high school education and diploma things worth having, things that, in and of themselves, prepare you to lead a productive, prosperous life in the world.

And of course, even for those who go on to college, this information about financial management and investing is not taught in many college curriculums, such as engineering, psychology, the arts, medicine - even though it is central to the lives of anyone who chooses to pursue these fields. So even for those who plan on going on to college, this information will make a high school education a more useful and desirable thing.

And the reality is, that people do better in school and learn more when they have a reason to - not because they have a test that demands they do well. You catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar. And it is the same throughout life. The stick of reprimand for bad test scores - such as dictated with programs such as No Child Left Behind - are meaningless. Unless you give students a reason to want to learn - though a curriculum worth learning - you will not improve the situation.

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STEP 3 - CAREER PATHS AND SKILLS
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 30, 2006 9:13 AM   
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Students complete high school without ever being taught how to put together a resume or what career paths are actually available to them. Many complete college without learning these things as well.

The single biggest problem in the worst schools in America is not underfunding, it is a culture in which students don't understand what the point of an education is. The only comprehensible ends in life are success in sports, in the entertainment business, or in gangs selling drugs.

Even among students in the better public schools, the knowledge and understanding of all the options out there is extremely limited.

For example, students who have an interest in sports don't consider that while only a select handful get to make a living by playing professional sports, many can make livings as certified athletic trainers, still working in the environment they want. There are also opportunities in marketing and management.

Students are aware that they can go on to be doctors, but for many this seems out of reach for a number of reasons. These students frequently never consider many other opportunities, such as nursing, researcher, medical technician, lab tech, pharmacist, or numerous other careers.

In other words, there is a sort of all or nothing mentality, that if you are not one of those on a career path through medical school or the NBA, there is no career worth working towards.

This is the sad reality for the majority of American students today. And, again, it is one that is easily remediable and not about money.

How can you say students are ready to be sent off into the world if they don't know how to put together a resume? How can they know how to proceed if they don't know what employers look for in a resume, how a base level career can lead to better things and how to see that it does? How can they make decisions and choices about their futures if they don't know the possibilities.

Basic vocational and career skills education during junior and senior year would provide students with skills that are both vitally useful and desirable to the students. And local businesses and professionals are more than willing to participate in such courses, making them that much more useful and tangible.

So let's look at the changes proposed.

Instead of looking ahead to yet more of the same, more history, english, etc., junior and senior years of high school would offer students the opportunity to learn how to start and run a business, basic financial management and investing, and teach them what career choices are out there and how best to pursue them.

So while the Bush Republicans offer mandates and punishments as their solutions but no actual, useful positive changes, and the Democrats simply sit around complaining about what the Bush Republicans offered - which they supported to begin with - The Moderate Independent offers a better way, an actual solution that is not about more money or less money or about reprimands and pressure, but about making a high school diploma something worth having once again.

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» RE: STEP 3 - CAREER PATHS AND SKILLS Posted by: constantreader
Re: public transport & cars
Posted by: scryberwitch on Dec 30, 2006 9:23 AM   
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Sorry to bust your little bubble, but in a lot of places - probably most of the US outside the major metropolitan areas - there is NO public transportation. A car is a necessity, not a luxury. And when you have two people working two or more jobs, there is often no way to coordinate schedules for riding together - therefore, each worker needs his or her own car. It sucks out loud, but it IS the reality for millions of American workers.
Maybe you should try actually gathering some info before you go spouting off theories.

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» RE: e: public transport & cars Posted by: gordonroy
Ignorant americans - treat the cause NOT the symptoms
Posted by: Belgarion on Dec 31, 2006 2:18 PM   
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Geez you americans can be stupid sometimes! (Actually most of the or so it appears to non-american observers!)

The solutions are simple but let me pose them as questions:

1) Does your education system have enough emphasis on basic money management, budgetting and simple economic theory?

2) Why do american 'consumers' make up 70% of the US economy?

3) Is Extreme Capitalism, for this is what the huge growth in the Usuary business is, a facit of a balanced, fair and just society?

Since the Republicans came to power america has been on a downward economic and moral spiral. You morons voted to give Republicans ABSOLUTE authority when you voted for the criminal who is G.W.Bush.

You wreap what you sow. Enjoy the deminishing and bitter crop - you only have yourselves to blame!

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Inside a Wall Street Chop Shop
Posted by: kevinf on Dec 31, 2006 4:19 PM   
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If you enjoyed this article, I wrote an extensive piece that describes how the sub-prime mortgage racket really works:

Inside a Wall Street Chop Shop

I used to work for one of the oldest and largest financial services companies in the world. But you wouldn't have known it from looking at the sign on the outside of the building. You see, the firm kept its name out of public view when it came to this business: the sub prime mortgage lending racket.

Why?

This Wall Street firm, spoken about in hushed tones around country clubs and cocktail parties, DOES NOT want to have its name associated with the financial services equivalent of a chop shop or a whore house. Oh no. It just wants the money associated with this despicable operation, and none of the press. Questions in the media about the propriety of these activities might cause discomfort for investors. Certain public appearances need to be maintained, after all.

This firm premeditated the exit from the crash unfolding before our eyes, both legally and in terms of public relations, years in advance.

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Z
Posted by: zplanet on Dec 31, 2006 6:03 PM   
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I think we may need to review just exactly who and what we want to be as a society in these United States. Our gov. is doing things that are not in our doctrine. I feel that we are hooked into this "wait and see" mentality. Thus,we wait, and usually do not like what we see, but TO LATE! It really is simple economics,(thank you,Belgarion). Perhaps the tube and other visual stimuli are being used to distract us. Why do you think it's called T.V. programming?

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Z
Posted by: zplanet on Dec 31, 2006 6:05 PM   
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I think we may need to review just exactly who and what we want to be as a society in these United States. Our gov. is doing things that are not in our doctrine. I feel that we are hooked into this "wait and see" mentality. Thus,we wait, and usually do not like what we see, but TO LATE! It really is simple economics,(thank you,Belgarion). Perhaps the tube and other visual stimuli are being used to distract us. Why do you think it's called T.V. programming?

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There is Another Side To This Story
Posted by: faultroy on Dec 31, 2006 8:03 PM   
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While I am very empathetic to the focus on this story, there is another side.
It is true that there are many predatory fringe marketeers, but we have predatory economics in every field.
Let me give you a few examples. Take schools. Have you ever heard the teachers unions strike because of a lack of books, lack of security, lack of computers? No, but, if and when they strike for money and benefits for themselves, the old refrain is: "the children will suffer." We continue to pay much more money for schools and educational services than we receive on our investment.
How about medical costs? Medical costs are going sky high, and people can barely keep up with it. Is the AMA or the Nurse Associations going on strike for the welfare of the patient? Not that I can see. Has any doctor's organization ever boycotted a hospital because of too high medical costs? How about Nursing Organizations? Not that I can see. Let's just keep in mind that medical related illnesses are the leading cause of bankruptcies. Why aren't all these bleeding heart Nurses and Doctors raising a stink about the incredible rise in medical costs--which they are personally responsible for?
Let's look at Local civil employees. In my state: Wisconsin, property taxes are going up 100 per cent every 10 years. Well my salary does not go up 100 per cent in ten years. Nor does the cost of doing municipal business go up 100 per cent in 10 years. Where is all this money going? No one seems to be able to say. Do my municipal employees strike to lower my taxes? Do they offer to not take their annual pay hikes because of the high costs of doing municipal business? Do they acknowledge that there is no correlation with the amount of tax increases and the individual's ability to pay? No...they couldn't care less.
There are very few organizations out there that are not predatory in nature--regardless of the field and regardless of the ethnicity of income of the various individuals involved. The difference is that in the situation with these predatory lenders, the individual borrowers have a choice--they can choose to lower their expenditures. Regardless what anyone says, it can be done.
I however have to accept the status quo with my schools, my municipality and my state. The real culprits here are the fringe economy itself and individual people's inability to control their urges and spend more than they have and they make.
We need to recognize that the only way that we can eliminate so many of these unjust practices is to allow everyone--on every tier of the economy-- a living wage. This would eliminate so many of these nefarious practices.
While I agree that these businesses are unsavory, and I agree they should be checked, I just don't understand the refusal of so many Alternet readers to recognize the personal responsibility aspect of this problem.
Until we start holding these individuals that support these dubious businesses also responsible, we are not going to change anything.
All conservatives want individuals to take personal responsibility for their position and their predicament. Liberals are looking for the government to take control and fix it without individuals taking personal responsibility.
To date, government has done a very poor and ineffective job in not only controlling the private sector, but coming up with efficient and effective programs that address real needs. This is not to say that we do not need government involvement, but rather we must seriously and effectively scrutinize and require government to be as efficient and effective as the private sector has been in our free market economy. Until this happens, our country will continue to be theoretically divided.

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Real Simple Solution
Posted by: BAKslider on Jan 5, 2007 6:43 AM   
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There needs to be a numeric, Federal definition of usury. If you are looking for a deal on credit, you will be in luck if you are Christian or Jewish. The Bible forbids loaning money at interest to fellow believers. So the first question to ask your loan officer is if they are Christian. If so, ask for the interest-free God commanded rate of 0%. Gosh, bet they become less Christian on the way to showing you the door. Of course any bank or lending institution that will not make free loans to fellow believers are TOOLS OF SATAN!!!

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» Simple Solution PS Posted by: BAKslider
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