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The Hidden Opportunity in Global Warming

By Marjorie Kelly, Tellus Institute. Posted December 21, 2006.


The U.S. media might have missed the significance of the Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change, but the public shouldn't miss the message: It's about hope.

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While the Baker-Hamilton report from the Iraq Study Group dominates the news in recent weeks with its rebuke of the colossal mess the United States has made in Iraq, there is another report released at the end of October -- even more vital in its import -- that has gone virtually unnoticed. I'm referring to the Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change, released by the U.K. government, which has received far too little attention in the U.S. press. It too is about a colossal mess we've made, not in a single nation but in the atmosphere of the entire planet, with possible consequences for all life on earth.

If the news in the Stern Review is scary to think about, it's ultimately a message of hope: It's not too late to act on global warming -- provided we take strong, united global action, starting now and increasing over the next 10 years. Indeed, "delay would be dangerous and much more costly," the Review warns. What's powerful about the report is that it positions the issue in easy-to-grasp economic terms. It estimates that acting now to stabilize climate change could cost 1 percent of global GDP each year -- which is relatively manageable -- but not acting could create losses that dwarf that. Likely the losses from inaction, the Review estimates, would reach 5 percent to 20 percent of global GDP year after year, "now and forever."

For politicians who argue that taking action now to reduce global warming emissions is too costly in economic terms, the Stern Review offers a stern rebuke: The real economic damage will come not from action but inaction. And as a measure of the report's economic credibility, it was commissioned by the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, was prepared by one of the world's leading economists, Sir Nicholas Stern, and has been endorsed by four Nobel Prize-winning economists plus the president of the World Bank.

The Stern Review offers powerful economic ammunition for the global warming debates that will play out in politics in coming months and years. But as useful as it is, it takes us only part of the way. An analysis by my colleagues at the Tellus Institute shows that the report stops short on two counts.

First, it looks only at environmental damages that can be monetized and quantified, when the risk of catastrophic changes in the climate and ecological systems are far more unknowable. "The Stern Review should be considered a conservative estimate of the dangers," says Tellus President Paul Raskin. By using only monetized values, he added, "it's like looking at a mountain through a pinhole."

Second -- and more consequential -- is the question of how we get to a world of reduced emissions. The Stern Review concludes that climate stabilization will require that annual greenhouse gas emissions be brought down more than 80 percent below current levels. And it predicts that this can be achieved without significantly compromising world economic growth -- since the shift to a low-carbon economy will create huge business opportunities in developing low-carbon and high-efficiency products. As the U.K. Treasury put it in a public statement,

"Tackling climate change is the pro-growth strategy."

While this optimistic assessment may in an economic sense prove true, it underplays the enormous lifestyle changes that will ultimately be necessary if massive global climate change is to be averted. "It's a question of both necessity and opportunity," Raskin says. The necessity is that we can't get to a sustainable world by any other pathway than that of deep and fundamental changes in how we live. The opportunity is that this could lead us "to a world of greater human fulfillment," he adds.


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Marjorie Kelly (MKelly@Tellus.org) is a senior associate at Boston's Tellus Institute, a 30-year-old nonprofit research and consulting organization focused on creating a Great Transition to a society of sustainability and well-being. Kelly previously was editor for 20 years of Business Ethics magazine.

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People Aren't So Nice
Posted by: edith on Dec 21, 2006 1:01 AM   
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The Stern Report calls for a reduction in the standard of living of most people at least in the West. This may be necessary to offset greater systemwide injury that could threaten civilization. However the article is a panglossian effort to sugarcoat radical reformation of consumer culture, which in my view has been endorsed by consumer choices every step of the shrinkwrapped way.

Most people want to drive their own car and people continue to buy McMansions for relatively small sized families. Significant gas price hikes have slowed but not stopped SUV purchases or new home construction in already crowded exurbs and suburbs.

Necessary as the 80 or whatever percent reduction in emissions may be, do not underestimate the laziness and sloth of the American people and the parallel passion of emering powers like China and India to have what the former colonial masters in the West have had. The racial and nationalist factor in an effort to reduce emissions during a time period when Asian nations will try to consume like the West consumes today should not be underestimated. If it was good enough for Americans to have three cars or more per family and to have big houses w/AC, it's good enough for 1.1 billion Chinese. And should peace ever come to the Middle East, that region's oil wealth would give rise to a splurge there in consumer consumption. I don't think Iraqis want to live in perpetual self-sacrifice, whether forced by war or by the Stern Report.And who is going to tell Iraqis and Palestinians that they must continue to sacrifice, now for the good of the world? The USA and the Zionists?

All of a sudden, Asians will say, when we approach US living standards, a British ecoonomist, (how ironic) tells the former colonial doorsteps that they have to sacrifice for the "common" good. Especially when conspicous consumption in the West no doubt will continue in some significant way. (Will the celebs the US public models itself after really give up those big houses on the beach in Malibu and Maui?) Will corporate exex give up the homes in Aspen and the jets needed to fly them there? Will a public that for th most part was born into thinking shopping means going to a traffic choked mall buy products from carts owned by local merchants in reconstituted "town squares" accessible by foot and public transit?

I think that we will see, if temperatures and geographic changes really occur in the next decade, what "Man's essential nature really is, i.e., selfish or selfless. The historical track record for the past 20,000 years is not reassuring if Stern sacrifice is what you believe is required for species survival and prosperity. The article was a nice but naive effort to convince the consumer(for that is what those in the West and the emerging Asian nations have become) that less is Good. In the eventual success of that PR for the People campaign, I am not optimistic. May I be proven wrong.

A mass consumption society is ethically questionable for reasons that go far beyond potential negative effects of warming. Perhaps nuclear or other war will reduce populations to sustainable levels. The chances of that grim future seem to me as possible as voluntary and public acceptance of 80% reductions in emissions.

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» RE: People Aren't So Nice Posted by: laoma
» RE: People Aren't So Nice Posted by: bornxeyed
» There is hope Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: People Aren't So Nice Posted by: jbohland
» RE: People Aren't So Nice Posted by: grammasanity
hope
Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 21, 2006 2:02 AM   
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The message here is not survival; it is hope for survival. If enough of us do the right thing there is hope. If not it becomes hopeless rapidly like Iraq has clearly shown us. We must remove all all those from power, like the Bushies, who thwart survival action. We must start rapidly and escalate rapidly, not stupid killing wars but a brilliant survival regime in order to avoid creating doom. Since we can do it we must do it to save us and our living world.

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» RE: hope Posted by: grammasanity
No US press coverage of the Stern Report?
Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 21, 2006 5:26 AM   
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Professor of Journalism, Jay Rosen, has a marvelous piece on HufPo about how the press cannot cope with idiosyncratic events (like the Bush administration).

In other words, the press squeezes things into pre-existing formats and misses the significant peculiarities. He lists a half dozen approaches the press might have taken with Bush/Cheney that would have revealed what really was going on.

The same dynamic is underway with the Stern Report. It's a new approach. For all the vaunted press interest in news, the Fourth Estate really cannot handle something new.

Rosen's piece is long but a worth-it read. here

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Or Not.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Dec 21, 2006 6:08 AM   
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"Climate change might, in the end, prove itself an optimal crisis. It could be among the catalytic forces -- along with reaching peak oil production and other forms of ecological exhaustion -- that are grave enough to break us out of our cultural trance, yet not so insurmountable as to crush our spirit. It might spur human society to the fundamental transformation that our culture so desperately needs, to move us from a culture of consumption and waste and isolation to one of sustainability and community and, yes I'll say it, happiness."

This reminds me of the Steve Martin bits, in which he makes a statement like this one, then pauses and says, "Nah!"

We are living the classic experiment in which flies are placed in a bell jar with an essentially inexhaustable food supply. In the experiment the population increases until they are overwhelmed by their own waste and overcrowding, then they slowly die off in an increasingly unhealthy environment, leaving a jar full of dead flies.

But we started with a balanced environment. And we have our intelligence. The Earth will always maintain balance. The question is if and how mankind will once again become a part of that balance.

You have to wonder when some of the most powerful people in America argue vehemently against conservation, and against even recognizing global warming, while at the same time fighting any form of population control.

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» RE: Or Gaia Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Or Gaia Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Or Not. Posted by: hot under the collar
» RE: Or Not. Posted by: grammasanity
Fascinating Twist
Posted by: madmac10 on Dec 21, 2006 6:15 AM   
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I find the whole issue of global warming extremely entertaining. At the forefront is how this issue has twisted the conventional politcal spectrum into a dazzling rainbow. What used to be under the purview of conservatives--protecting our natural resources for future generations--has now become anathema to those right of center. Conservatives now act like the grasshopper in Aesop's fable: steadfastly refusing to stop fiddling to gather even one little nut in the face of encroaching winter. Meanwhile, the left calls for austerity and a slowing of progress, sounding more like a gilded age bear than even Teddy Roosevelt!

But watching Tweedle-Dum become Tweedle-Dee is only part of the fun. It is also highly entertaining to see history's winners finally get their come-uppance. Of course the kings will never heave their fat asses off their thrones of bone, except to inflict another round of extinction on whatever has aroused their avarice. History's winners have always celebrated their thefts (see esp. Thanksgiving and Christmas) by steadfastly refusing to pay a tuppence in retribution for extinguishing those cultures and ecosystems that might have kept us off this path.

But the funniest thing: it's over for humanity. Might as well start blowing "Taps" because there is no f'ing way we are getting past this one. Butter up the popcorn and watch as men react to catastrophe by desperately igniting even more disasters. Oh well, we had our chance and we did do a bit better than the dinosaurs. Hopefully the next species to own the Earth will have a sense of humor.

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» Dinosaurs lasted... Posted by: Bbear41
» RE: Dinosaurs lasted... Posted by: monkeywrench
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» RE: Fascinating Twist Posted by: planet doomed
» RE: Fascinating Twist Posted by: planet doomed
No reduction
Posted by: Taurus on Dec 21, 2006 6:39 AM   
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If Americans switched to as many compact flourescent bulbs as their lamps and fixtures could take (not all of them are designed to take these bulbs) and bought or leased hybrid cars and/or reduced the number of cars, how would that harm their standard of living? We're both retired early and we switched to one car--all it took was a little coordination of our calendars and it's been a snap. When this lease runs out, we're going to a hybrid which the dealer has allocated for us. We changed about 3/4 of our light bulbs to compact fluorescents, and have significantly reduced our energy footprint thereby. I don't see any reduction in our lifestyle, but I do see that we're setting an example, because our kids are making similar changes based on what we're doing.

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» RE: No reduction Posted by: bornxeyed
2050???????
Posted by: rwa on Dec 21, 2006 7:14 AM   
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>Future speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi -- along with 109 others -- has recently endorsed legislation, sponsored by Rep. Henry Waxman of California, that sets a target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent by 2050.

These Dims think they can pretend to address global warming by proposing to meet the challenge after theyr'e dead?

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Lead By Example?
Posted by: JCR on Dec 21, 2006 7:21 AM   
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It's all a question of priorities isn't it? Pretty tough to confront "fruity, nutty" issues like global warming when you're busy trying to steal oil from a sovereign nation, in turn permitting our own decadent nation to keep those F-350's rollin' . . .

Forgive me for what I'm about to say, but the world and its biodiversity are pretty much fucked and we know it. I am holding out hope against hope like many of you, but let's face it - America, China, Russia, India and other mega-polluters are not exactly part of the vanguard of nations giving this matter the serious attention it deserves. Moreover, green(er) places like Europe are only setting the bar slightly higher while still doing one hell of a lot of polluting in their own right.

Slowly, people are starting to take this issue seriously but a rundown of Green Party politicians in America, and around the world, should convince you that *bangs head on table* environmental degradation is not all that pressing for the vast majority of humanity. How do we expect the populace to get motivated when our so-called leaders are trailing the pack? After all, who needs trees, oxygen, water, animals, etc. God help us.

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» RE: Lead By Example? Posted by: MPballet
One Third of All CO2 emissions in the US come from transportation
Posted by: Douglas on Dec 21, 2006 8:17 AM   
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"Increasing transportation efficiency is the best place to start efforts to reduce emissions of . . . CO2. . . . Of all CO2 emissions in the United States," about 33 percent come from transportation," according to Steve Heckeroth, "Why We Need Electric Cars," Mother Earth News, October/November 2006, p. 94. Heckeroth adds:

". . . if we switched from gasoline cars to EVs (all-electric vehicles) and plug in hybrids recharged by our existing utility grids (which mostly use fossil fuels) we would see a 42 percent national average reduction in CO2 emissions, according to research by Peter Lilienthal of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory."

A 42 percent national average reduction in CO2 emissions is slightly more than half of the 80 percent reduction needed to stop global warming. Electric powered transportation is an idea whose time has definitely come!!! If you must drive, drive an EV!!!

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Stop Whining and Start Acting
Posted by: lunamom on Dec 21, 2006 8:35 AM   
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Or the last several months, I've read a number of AlterNet articles in which the authors have attempted to find some silver lining, some opportunity for transformation in the midst of what appears to be an incredibly bleak future of total planetary destruction. I've appreciated these articles, because as one who has both organized to create change and has studied others who have successfully done so, I know that doomsday scenarios will only take us halfway.

Hitting people over the head with extreme consequences and rants about how "there's no way out" doesn't ultimately encourage the majority of people to change their way of life or actions in any positive way. Rather, such fear-mongering without any suggestions of hope or opportunity for change has the opposite effect, and tends to direct folks to stick their heads in the sand and continue with business as usual, because if there is no way out, what's the point of changing?

Perhaps the world's populations and leading governments will not alter their course, and the worst effects of climate change will go into effect. We have no way of absolutely predicting the future at this point in time, and I don't believe that anyone has the crystal ball that can foresee our fate. However, even if there's the slightest, most remote chance out there, isn't it worthwhile to pursue it?

A lot of the comments posted on this site suggest more of a misanthropic perspective than one that is actually committed to doing anything and everything we can to save the planet and all its inhabitants -- including us!! Excuse me, but those of us on the left who have been fighting for social and environmental justice have always been up against the greatest most insurmountable odds around. I draw my inspiration from the Civil Rights Movement, from the Women's Movement and from the anti-colonial movements of the last centuries. If activists in those movements had just stuck their heads in the sand and said "this is the way it has been and always will be," where would we be at this time?

I'm no polyanna, and I recognize the bleak and utterly depressing possibilities out there with regard to our planetary future, but I choose not to be immobilized them, no matter how much gloom and doom is preached. That's why I've appreciated the perspective that some contributors to AlterNet have shared that suggest that this moment can alternatively be viewed as one of promise. The way I see it, this is a make or break moment for our species, we either choose hope, possibility and opportunity, or we choose doom, destruction, and death. Myself, I'm going with the former.

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» Continuation of that idea... Posted by: MatthewSavage
Global cooperation? You've got to be kidding!
Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 21, 2006 8:38 AM   
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From the article:

"It's not too late to act on global warming -- provided we take strong, united global action, starting now and increasing over the next 10 years."

"Woulda, shoulda, coulda." United global action?! We can't agree on ANYTHING globally: global "free trade" (which exacerbates global warming) has been engineered to benefit U.S.-based mega-corporations; the U.S. is occupying a middle east country and is sucking up the resources of much of the world at enormous profit; China wants to take over Taiwan AND is hell-bent for explosive economic growth, the environment be damned, AND owns a huge chunk of our stupid, Bush-generated national debt; the continent of Africa is collapsing both economically and socially; India is growing nearly as fast as China, with the accompanying increase in energy use. Where is global cooperation going to come from in this reality?

Also, the corporations of the world are not going to give up their lucrative present markets to new technology, no matter how useful or advanced. This is the myth of the "free market" system: that new ideas supercede old ones. Bullcrap! Entrenched companies will do everything in their power to STOP new technology, if that technology infringes on their profit-margins, and they only worry about their profit margins for TODAY – they don't care about some environmental "might-be" in the future. History (if we still have history in the future) will show that uncontrolled capitalism is the most environmentally damaging and unfair economic system ever devised.

We're not a world that cooperates as one to solve problems – but we will be a world that will sink as one if we don't. We are very good at "locking the barn door after the horse has run away;" but we are hopeless at looking far enough beyond our own noses to see that the damn door is open in the first place. In the end, our end, Nature will prevail – and likely will replace us with a more intelligent and compassionate species, after it cleans up the mess we have made.

We congratulate ourselves for being so smart; but we are only clever, not smart – and certainly not wise.

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GLOBAL WARMING HURTING THE ECONOMY
Posted by: hot under the collar on Dec 21, 2006 9:01 AM   
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Growing up in Toronto, Ontario, Canada during the 1970's winter was long and brutal. We skated on outdoor natural rinks from mid December until mid-March. Nowadays these outside rinks are dormant except for a few weeks in the middle of winter. THe only question surrounding a "white Christmas" during that time was how much snow will there be. 8 of the last 15 Christmas' have been green. Last winter we had 2-3 snow storms and other than that it was to warm for the snow to stay on the ground.

As you drive by Lake Ontario and see the various marina's you can clearly see on the support beams where the water level used to be and now it is about 6 inches lower. The lake is slowly evaporating due to warmer summers and the fact the lake no longer freezes in the winter.

The ski hill operators in Ontario's ski country have shut down the hills over one of the most lucrative parts of their season, the Christams holidays. It isn't even going to be cold enough to make artificial snow over Christmas.

So we are now experiencing the beginnings of how global warming will hurt the economy. The overall economy is not just based on manufacturing, it is also heavily reliant on service, and there is a huge amount of money generated in the economy for leisure activities like skiing. As the snowball effect goes (mind the pun) when the ski hills are closed, then the retailers suffer, when the retailers suffer so do the manufacturers of the equipment, the clothing etc. Not to mention how the local economy of the ski towns themselves will suffer.

Oil is last centuries energy and trying to hang on to it because of the fear of change will ultimately create the scariest of all changes.....our planets. The earth doesn't care about the economy or the potential loss of jobs that the oil junkies claim will happen if we stop putting carbon into the atmasphere.

As my example just proved global warming is already hurting the economy and just becasue it is a ski resort and not a manufacturing factory is of no concequence. I am quite sure the ski resorts owners worries are just a legitimate and valid as the CEO of an oil company.

Thank goodness the current US administration is almost over. Hopefully the next US government will be worried about more serious issues other than putting a noose around Saddam Huesins neck and protecting all of George Bush's oil buddies.

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HOPE and naivete
Posted by: fifthworld on Dec 21, 2006 9:22 AM   
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"Hope" is what keeps America innocent (and thereby a force for evil). Like John Trudell says, "I don't believe in hope. If you want to see something happen, it's better to pray, and to act." And better, James Hillman:

"It is the capacity for denial, of using belief as a bulwark against sophistication of any kind -- moral, aesthetic, intellectual -- that keeps the American character from awakening." (The Soul's Code)

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» Great quotes. Posted by: Sojourner
Peak Oil for a Better World
Posted by: oregoncharles on Dec 21, 2006 9:35 AM   
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She's right, you know. It would be a much better way to live. I've put my pessimism in sub-comments up above, so I'll be optimistic here:

Peak oil may save our butts. In all, it may be the best thing that could happen. The sudden prohibitive spike in prices will serve as a wake-up call like no other: we won't be ABLE to keep on spending the stuff like there's no tomorrow, which there won't be if we do.

The great danger is a switch to coal: it's even worse. Nuclear power is almost as bad, but uranium is getting scarce, too. Altogether, the Club of Rome's book "Limits to Growth" was right on the money - it all starts running out around the turn of the century. Bingo.

This article is trying to get us mobilized to deal succesfully with that wake-up call. It is possible, if not too likely, but it's a political issue: individual efforts help, for sure, but only coordinated action can actually save us. Yet another reason for impeachment.

My greatest concern is that we can't avoid a human die-off. After all, we ARE the problem; Nature has her own approach to these situations: the Biblical Four Horsemen. Not nice, and quite likely not avoidable - we're at least 4 times over the world's carrying capacity for a decent life.

Don't confuse "standard of living" with "standard of consumption". As a couple of commenters noted, they aren't the same. To a point, we can live very well while consuming much less: precisely the main point of the article, though I'd rather see something technical and very detailed. Maybe Kelly can provide that, too. Anybody listening, Alternet? That wouldn't be enough, though. We'll also have to redefine the good life. That's harder, and goes against the whole grain of our present setup. Can we really face living like prosperous peasants? Do we really have a choice?

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» RE: Peak Oil for a Better World Posted by: grammasanity
There is NO HOPE!
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Dec 21, 2006 9:57 AM   
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Forget it you left wing weenies. There is no hope for positive climate change no matter what scenarios you come up with halt global warming. You're going to watch sea levels rise and I'm going to continue growing bananas here in Maryland till the very end. I'm going to enjoy your screams as the water levels rise up over your noses or as you die from hysteria. More likely the latter since global warming is nothing but preposterous BUNKUM put out by environmental whackos. You don't contribute to it and you can't affect it significantly but the fear of it can put such stress on you that it will shorten your lives. That would be a good thing. In fact a very, VERY GOOD THING. Less liberal weenies means more living space and quieter surroundings.

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» RE: There is NO HOPE! Posted by: monkeywrench
» RE: There is NO HOPE! Posted by: hot under the collar
» RE: There is NO HOPE! Posted by: grammasanity
Said it before in response, but bears repeating.
Posted by: MatthewSavage on Dec 21, 2006 11:32 AM   
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If the government doesn't move fast enough with regulations, don't whine about it... take action! I planned my life around not having a car. Anyone can, if they care to.

Every day at work I do my best to reduce the paper we use, the energy too, for that matter. I buy my vegetables from the greengrocer, who buys it from local producers. When I buy meat, it's from the local butcher who also is supplied by local producers (yeah, I know... eating meat is irresponsible. I used to be vegetarian, but my lifestyle is such that I need the protein and I still eat less meat than most meat eaters). All of us, personally, can take responsibility and take action.

Words mean nothing without action, and whining accomplishes nothing at all. Don't like something? Change it, don't sit there and whine about it on some website's comment board.

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Reduction in US living standard is on it's way
Posted by: lessbread on Dec 21, 2006 9:53 PM   
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There's not enough space to drop all the links I've gathered in the last month regarding the pending recession. A few articles about the falling dollar have made it into the mainstream news but it's deeper than that. It seems to me that the question is whether the crisis will be met with forward thinking approaches such as those touted in the Stern Report or whether it will be met with backward looking approaches such as those touted by the Bush administration, namely the creation of a full fledged police state, possibly in conjunction with a war on Iran that finally breaks the camel's back.

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