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Hillary Clinton and My Visa Bill
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I just got my Visa bill for my final election donations -- all those click-and-donate appeals in my email box and on the Web. I gave more than I thought I had, more than I'd intended to spend, and more than I'd ever given before. You make enough $25 to $50 contributions, and soon you're talking real money, a tenth of my annual income.
But I feel just fine about my giving -- doing my part to help Democrats in close races, even if they ultimately went the other way. However, what doesn't please me, in fact disturbs me immensely, is discovering that Hillary Clinton raised $52 million dollars for her Senate campaign and allied leadership PAC, HILLPAC. She spent $36 million of it on a race that she could have won staying home in her pajamas, not spending a dime. Now she's sitting on a $13.5-million-dollar war chest, which she'll roll over to her presidential campaign.
I know political money is hard to raise, particularly with the new contribution limits, and that some of Hillary's spending went to build a grassroots donors' list that she'll tap in the future. But according to the wonderful site of the Center for Responsive Politics, the entire Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee raised only $107 million, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign $103 million. Hillary spent a third as much as either of these, more than any candidate in America, for a race that was never in doubt. She did distribute $2.5 million to various Democratic institutions and candidates, but imagine if she'd transferred $20 million into the dozen Congressional campaigns that Democrats lost by margins as close as a few hundred votes. Or into Harold Ford's Senatorial campaign, to close the gap between the $10 million spent by Ford and the $15 million that Republican Bob Corker spent.
Hindsight's always easy, but by late summer it was clear that the Democrats had a huge opportunity and were scrambling for the funds to respond to it. A few more ads would almost certainly have tipped the balance for some of the under-funded candidates who came heartbreakingly close. That's why so many of us were digging deep to contribute, and then digging deeper, even when it hurt. Evidently Hillary had other priorities.
When Bill Clinton first surfaced as a leading Presidential contender, I asked a mutual friend what he thought. "He's smart," said my friend. "He reads good books. He wants to do the right thing." Then he paused and said, "But he won't go to the mat for anything except his own political future." To me, that was Bill's core flaw (even more than his pursuit of Monica Lewinsky). Hillary seems to share Bill's hunger for power. You can always rationalize dubious choices by the good you'll do when you gain just a little more clout, and I'm sure she truly believes her candidacy will benefit the United States. But she had a chance to make a major difference in this critical election -- and she blew it.
Hillary is far from the only Democrat vulnerable to the charge of hoarding scarce resources: As of mid-October, John Kerry with $13.8 million in his campaign account, and Evan Bayh had $10.6 million. But Kerry transferred over $3.5 million to Democratic candidates and used his networks to raise almost $10 million more. Between his inept 2004 campaign and the damage done by his foot-in-the-mouth military joke-telling, I don't want him as a Presidential candidate; but compared to what Hillary transferred from five times the resources, Kerry at least dug deeper to help. I have even more respect for potential contenders like John Edwards and Wesley Clark, who campaigned throughout the country to support Democratic candidates, but did relatively little fundraising for their own campaign committees and PACs, mostly to maintain basic infrastructure. Their top priority was to help other Democrats to win this 2006 election
I'm sure Hillary would say she did all she could, and then some, and she definitely lent major star power to the campaigns and fundraising efforts of many worthy candidates. But I think about all the ordinary citizens who gave more time and money than anyone would have expected and as a result made a critical difference. In comparison, Hillary falls short. The money she spent may have gained her a few extra points of electoral margin in a race she won by 36 points, and buttressed her already massive frontrunner status. But it did nothing to increase the Democratic victory. Those of us at the grassroots aren't going to stop volunteering and donating merely because some of our most prominent political leaders fall short. But it's a measure of their character that I hope we'll remember when the Presidential primaries begin.
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Posted by: edith on Dec 20, 2006 12:55 AM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 20, 2006 1:13 AM
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Make no mistake- the woman wants the power and will do, say and deal to whomever she has to if it will get her there. She is intelligent, well connected and wise to the ways of Washington and national politics. She has, in her husband, probably the most effective stump politician in the US. She gets the kind of free media that money cannot buy and has a truckload of the real kind. Very formidable- but vulnerable.
If you are a progressive and are tired of Republican Lite DINOs (Democrats In Name Only), you need to look elsewhere. This former Wal-Mart Board Member knows where the money is at and where it will be in the future.
If anyone is going to seriously oppose her in the primaries they had better be getting ready now. Otherwise, when she gets the Democratic nod you will have a November 2008 choice between two Republicans- Hillary and whoever the GOP runs.
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» Oh, c'mon! She'll give us the best damn democracy that money can buy!
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Posted by: inanaturallight on Dec 20, 2006 4:46 AM
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Hillary will take care of Hillary and the Ruperts of the world, us paeons are on our own. I suppose I'd vote for her if 'Dead-eye' Dick Cheney was on the other side, short of that I can't pull that lever in good conscience.
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Posted by: nobuko on Dec 20, 2006 4:54 AM
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Obama is no better than Hillary, and I don't give a damn how well he delivers a speech; after approving Condi Rice for Secy of State, KNOWING she SWORE by Bush's Lies to invade Iraq, did it for me. There is NO recovery, he told me all I needed to know when he approved Condi.
Bill Clinton may have been a decent President, but after he approved that NAFTA Bill, ALL his good efforts went down the drain! I don't want to see He, nor Hillary anywhere near the Oval Office ever again!
If we are to take our country back, we just don't need money to do so, we need to show Hillary and the rest of them who have a War Chest, that we can do it without the funds, especially if they are not willing to share their war chest to help get other good candidates elected. To me, they are worse than the Repukes; at least we know where they stand, and what they will do to defeat us ... LIE CHEAT STEAL and MURDER!
In Oklahoma, I dislike Sullivan, and the man that ran against him did not have the funds to campaign against him. When I voted, I just looked for the Democrat, and voted for him, despite the fact I didn't know anything about him. This is what we Americans need to do, GIVE the other guy/gal a chance despite the fact we know little about them. After all, we do KNOW what the individuals in office will do, have done, and will continue to do, and that includes the "Good Ole Dems!" We need to get rid of them too for they have become to Republican LIKE!
Its time to start being smart, not just giving up the bucks! I don't understand HOW anyone state voted to put another Republican in office after 6 years of Rubber Stamping everything that the Bush/Cheney wanted. Not one of them should have found their way back to Washington to continue TO destroy America and the World.
I tell you, I am truly ashamed to be an American, and wish I could leave this country! After this last election, its been a painful awakening that we still have too many stupid Americans who can be swayed by LYING Ads, rather than relating to what has happened to our country under Republican Control. TALK ABOUT STUCK ON STUPID, its just Mind Boggling!
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» Blame the American system of 2 parties
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Posted by: xi_people on Dec 20, 2006 6:24 AM
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I don't have any personal animosity towards Hillary; she's merely a symptom of a system gone bad.
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1.) Track voting history of our "leaders"
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1989-1993
- George Herbert Walker Bush
1993-2001
- William Jefferson Clinton
2001-2009
- George Walker Bush
2009 - ?
- Hillary Rodham Clinton
And to think I used to laugh at the English for their loyalty to the monarchy.
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Posted by: Metesh-ah on Dec 20, 2006 8:45 AM
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I don't trust any of those mongrels to care about anyone but themselves, their families and the rich bastards that put them in office in the first place.
My belief is, is that they may start out honest, but by the time they get elected to anything past dog catcher, they are part of the system....
I just study up on what they say by how they vote...and nag the DNC to put some money into MY state...I donate local, not national...cause OK fell to the dogs a long time ago and I'd like to get it back...[snort] doubt that will ever happen...money talks...and poops on the rest of us.
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Dec 20, 2006 9:13 AM
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Now who's a "good" candidate we can get behind for the 2008 primary?
Right now I can think of only two. Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards.
As far as I'm concerned the rest are self-serving shills for corporate interests.
I was very upset in 2004 about Edwards' initial support for the war, but his actions since that time have given me confidence in his integrity.
And Kucinich doesn't have the best charisma for our celebrity society, but his integrity is certainly not in question. He has demonstrated time and again that he will put principle ahead of personal ambition.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 20, 2006 10:32 AM
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It is also the reason that I, as a life-long Democrat, would not vote for Hillary Clinton if she were the only human being on Earth running for office. She should put her well-worn finger up into the political wind, something she does oh, so often, for real this time, and pledge all of her campaign war chest to other candidates – because if I'm anywhere close to the middle of the voting public, she doesn't have a popsicle's chance in hell of becoming president. And God help us if, by some miracle, she does.
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Posted by: dover23 on Dec 20, 2006 10:45 AM
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For a glimpse at the true character of Hillary, check out the brilliant Meryl Streep in Demme's The Manchurian Candidate. Frightening stuff, and more a reflection of our shared reality and this Senator from NY than most of us would like to admit.
http://clinton.senate.gov/~clinton/speeches/iraq_101002.html
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Posted by: ng1944 on Dec 20, 2006 10:52 AM
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Disgusting
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Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 20, 2006 2:06 PM
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I don't want a candidate I can love. We got enough of that with Ronnie Boy Reagan. Wasn't he cute. He got to start his own war in Nicaraugua, invade that dangerous enemy in the Carribean and promise missiles to the Iranians if they'd hold Americans hostage until after the 1980 election. But he's so lovable. Remember him running away from the Iceland disarmament conference where Gorby had to beg him to disarm? Reagan still gets credit for that, because he's so cute.
I don't want a candidate who is perfect--sacrifices for her fellow Democrats, gives a tenth of her income to political candidates (isn't that also what GM and GE and Exon and Mobil also do?)
Just give me one (preferably a socialist, but I'll settle for a Demo) who can win. Win. Win. Win. The only alternative is Lose. I'm sick and tired of losing.
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» I give you veteran Bernard Sanders as a perfect alternative.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 20, 2006 2:36 PM
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Dims and Repugs go home. a century of your "solutions" is more than enough damage for all of us.
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Posted by: Jason Jordan on Dec 20, 2006 4:14 PM
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P.S.: DLC leader Bruce Reed is also hated the most even though he's from Idaho.
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Posted by: jaby on Dec 20, 2006 8:33 PM
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The people who contributed to Hillary's campaign donated to her campaign. If they wanted to donate it to the larger Democratic effort or a different democratic candidate, they should have donated it to the DNC or whomever they felt was a worthy individual candidate to give money to. Hillary Clinton for Senate or Hillary Clinton for President is not a charity or a foundation, it is a business and businesses are, or at least should be, run with an eye towards the future.
Now, if you want to talk about campaign finance rules, or the lack of fairness in funding for elections in this country, that is one thing. But as far as I see, the only thing Hillary Clinton did was keep money that was donated to her political campaign, and that is not a sin.
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Posted by: cheneybush2008 on Dec 20, 2006 9:38 PM
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MCCAIN IN THE ELECTION.
BANK on IS.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 20, 2006 1:13 AM
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Make no mistake- the woman wants the power and will do, say and deal to whomever she has to if it will get her there. She is intelligent, well connected and wise to the ways of Washington and national politics. She has, in her husband, probably the most effective stump politician in the US. She gets the kind of free media that money cannot buy and has a truckload of the real kind. Very formidable- but vulnerable.
If you are a progressive and are tired of Republican Lite DINOs (Democrats In Name Only), you need to look elsewhere. This former Wal-Mart Board Member knows where the money is at and where it will be in the future.
If anyone is going to seriously oppose her in the primaries they had better be getting ready now. Otherwise, when she gets the Democratic nod you will have a November 2008 choice between two Republicans- Hillary and whoever the GOP runs.
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» Oh, c'mon! She'll give us the best damn democracy that money can buy!
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Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 20, 2006 3:04 AM
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Posted by: inanaturallight on Dec 20, 2006 4:46 AM
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Hillary will take care of Hillary and the Ruperts of the world, us paeons are on our own. I suppose I'd vote for her if 'Dead-eye' Dick Cheney was on the other side, short of that I can't pull that lever in good conscience.
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Posted by: nobuko on Dec 20, 2006 4:54 AM
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Obama is no better than Hillary, and I don't give a damn how well he delivers a speech; after approving Condi Rice for Secy of State, KNOWING she SWORE by Bush's Lies to invade Iraq, did it for me. There is NO recovery, he told me all I needed to know when he approved Condi.
Bill Clinton may have been a decent President, but after he approved that NAFTA Bill, ALL his good efforts went down the drain! I don't want to see He, nor Hillary anywhere near the Oval Office ever again!
If we are to take our country back, we just don't need money to do so, we need to show Hillary and the rest of them who have a War Chest, that we can do it without the funds, especially if they are not willing to share their war chest to help get other good candidates elected. To me, they are worse than the Repukes; at least we know where they stand, and what they will do to defeat us ... LIE CHEAT STEAL and MURDER!
In Oklahoma, I dislike Sullivan, and the man that ran against him did not have the funds to campaign against him. When I voted, I just looked for the Democrat, and voted for him, despite the fact I didn't know anything about him. This is what we Americans need to do, GIVE the other guy/gal a chance despite the fact we know little about them. After all, we do KNOW what the individuals in office will do, have done, and will continue to do, and that includes the "Good Ole Dems!" We need to get rid of them too for they have become to Republican LIKE!
Its time to start being smart, not just giving up the bucks! I don't understand HOW anyone state voted to put another Republican in office after 6 years of Rubber Stamping everything that the Bush/Cheney wanted. Not one of them should have found their way back to Washington to continue TO destroy America and the World.
I tell you, I am truly ashamed to be an American, and wish I could leave this country! After this last election, its been a painful awakening that we still have too many stupid Americans who can be swayed by LYING Ads, rather than relating to what has happened to our country under Republican Control. TALK ABOUT STUCK ON STUPID, its just Mind Boggling!
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Posted by: granfromwisconsin on Dec 20, 2006 5:55 AM
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Posted by: xi_people on Dec 20, 2006 6:24 AM
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I don't have any personal animosity towards Hillary; she's merely a symptom of a system gone bad.
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Posted by: paschn on Dec 20, 2006 7:10 AM
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1.) Track voting history of our "leaders"
2.) Find out which of our "leaders" is responsible for controlling, (yeah, right), credit card issuing banks.
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Posted by: JCR on Dec 20, 2006 7:12 AM
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1989-1993
- George Herbert Walker Bush
1993-2001
- William Jefferson Clinton
2001-2009
- George Walker Bush
2009 - ?
- Hillary Rodham Clinton
And to think I used to laugh at the English for their loyalty to the monarchy.
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Posted by: Metesh-ah on Dec 20, 2006 8:45 AM
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I don't trust any of those mongrels to care about anyone but themselves, their families and the rich bastards that put them in office in the first place.
My belief is, is that they may start out honest, but by the time they get elected to anything past dog catcher, they are part of the system....
I just study up on what they say by how they vote...and nag the DNC to put some money into MY state...I donate local, not national...cause OK fell to the dogs a long time ago and I'd like to get it back...[snort] doubt that will ever happen...money talks...and poops on the rest of us.
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Posted by: Democritus on Dec 20, 2006 8:54 AM
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Dec 20, 2006 9:13 AM
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Now who's a "good" candidate we can get behind for the 2008 primary?
Right now I can think of only two. Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards.
As far as I'm concerned the rest are self-serving shills for corporate interests.
I was very upset in 2004 about Edwards' initial support for the war, but his actions since that time have given me confidence in his integrity.
And Kucinich doesn't have the best charisma for our celebrity society, but his integrity is certainly not in question. He has demonstrated time and again that he will put principle ahead of personal ambition.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 20, 2006 10:32 AM
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It is also the reason that I, as a life-long Democrat, would not vote for Hillary Clinton if she were the only human being on Earth running for office. She should put her well-worn finger up into the political wind, something she does oh, so often, for real this time, and pledge all of her campaign war chest to other candidates – because if I'm anywhere close to the middle of the voting public, she doesn't have a popsicle's chance in hell of becoming president. And God help us if, by some miracle, she does.
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Posted by: dover23 on Dec 20, 2006 10:45 AM
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For a glimpse at the true character of Hillary, check out the brilliant Meryl Streep in Demme's The Manchurian Candidate. Frightening stuff, and more a reflection of our shared reality and this Senator from NY than most of us would like to admit.
http://clinton.senate.gov/~clinton/speeches/iraq_101002.html
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Posted by: ng1944 on Dec 20, 2006 10:52 AM
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Disgusting
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Posted by: Krain61 on Dec 20, 2006 11:18 AM
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Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 20, 2006 2:06 PM
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I don't want a candidate I can love. We got enough of that with Ronnie Boy Reagan. Wasn't he cute. He got to start his own war in Nicaraugua, invade that dangerous enemy in the Carribean and promise missiles to the Iranians if they'd hold Americans hostage until after the 1980 election. But he's so lovable. Remember him running away from the Iceland disarmament conference where Gorby had to beg him to disarm? Reagan still gets credit for that, because he's so cute.
I don't want a candidate who is perfect--sacrifices for her fellow Democrats, gives a tenth of her income to political candidates (isn't that also what GM and GE and Exon and Mobil also do?)
Just give me one (preferably a socialist, but I'll settle for a Demo) who can win. Win. Win. Win. The only alternative is Lose. I'm sick and tired of losing.
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» I give you veteran Bernard Sanders as a perfect alternative.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 20, 2006 2:36 PM
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Dims and Repugs go home. a century of your "solutions" is more than enough damage for all of us.
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Posted by: Jason Jordan on Dec 20, 2006 4:14 PM
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P.S.: DLC leader Bruce Reed is also hated the most even though he's from Idaho.
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Posted by: ossie on Dec 20, 2006 4:22 PM
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Posted by: sabr on Dec 20, 2006 5:42 PM
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Posted by: jaby on Dec 20, 2006 8:33 PM
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The people who contributed to Hillary's campaign donated to her campaign. If they wanted to donate it to the larger Democratic effort or a different democratic candidate, they should have donated it to the DNC or whomever they felt was a worthy individual candidate to give money to. Hillary Clinton for Senate or Hillary Clinton for President is not a charity or a foundation, it is a business and businesses are, or at least should be, run with an eye towards the future.
Now, if you want to talk about campaign finance rules, or the lack of fairness in funding for elections in this country, that is one thing. But as far as I see, the only thing Hillary Clinton did was keep money that was donated to her political campaign, and that is not a sin.
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Posted by: cheneybush2008 on Dec 20, 2006 9:38 PM
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MCCAIN IN THE ELECTION.
BANK on IS.
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