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Big Box Swindle: The Fight to Reclaim America from Retail Giants

By Stacy Mitchell, AlterNet. Posted December 7, 2006.


A growing number of communities are fighting back against the rising power of large retail stores like Wal-Mart. But real change won't come until we stop thinking of ourselves as consumers and start thinking of ourselves as engaged citizens.
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[Editor's Note: The following is an excerpt from Stacy Mitchell's new book, Big-Box Swindle: The True Cost of Mega-Retailers and the Fight for America's Independent Businesses (Beacon Press, 2006).]

To Beat Wal-Mart We Need to Shed Our Consumer Identity

Citizens groups are waging a growing number of successful campaigns against big-box retailers. They are winning victories in places as far-flung as Damariscotta, Maine, a coastal village where two stay-at-home moms ignited an uprising this past spring that not only blocked a Wal-Mart supercenter but led several towns to adopt store size cap laws that effectively ban big boxes region-wide, and Inglewood, California, a working class city near Los Angeles where voters handed Wal-Mart a stunning upset two years ago even though the chain spent over $1 million on a massive public relations blitz.

Despite differences in circumstances and demographics, all of these successful campaigns -- and there have been dozens in the last two years -- have one striking commonality: a core part of their strategy involves getting people to see themselves not just as consumers, but as workers, producers, business owners, citizens, and stewards of their community. When people walk into a voting booth or city council meeting with this vastly expanded sense of their own economic and political identity, they are far more likely to reject big-box development projects and to endorse measures that force these companies to adhere to higher standards. This is a crucial lesson as we work to knit these local efforts together into a broader movement to counter the power of global corporations.

In contrast, when the big chains win, they do so by getting people to assume the familiar and narrow role of consumer and to view their relentless expansion and radical restructuring of the economy as simply a matter of shopping options.

Although pervasive in its influence today, this consumer identity is a relatively recent invention. It only became a powerful force in U.S. politics in the years after World War II. To a large degree, it was created and propagated by the first generation of chain retailers-companies like A&P, Kroger, and Woolworth-which encountered such strong public opposition in the 1920s and 30s as to call into doubt their continued existence. The chains responded with a massive PR campaign that managed to transform American citizens into consumers-a sharply circumscribed identity that corporations have used to augment their power ever since.

Chain stores first began to multiply in large numbers in the years following World War I. During the 1920s, the number of chain stores climbed from about 30,000 to 150,000. By the end of the decade, they were capturing 22 percent of all retail sales nationally. Leading the pack was A&P, with some 15,000, mostly small, outlets that accounted for 11 percent of the country's grocery sales and generated over $1 billion in annual revenue. A&P was the Wal-Mart of its day-although it was, in relative terms, significantly smaller, accounting for 2.5 percent of all retail sales, compared to Wal-Mart's 10 percent share today.

As the chains expanded, so too did opposition to their presence. It was a cause embraced by populists, progressives, unions concerned about wage pressures, farmers fearful chain store buying power, wholesalers, and of course local business owners. By the late 1920s, more than 400 local organizations had sprung up around the country to counter the chains. These "home defense leagues" and "better business associations" were varied in their approaches. Some, like the Community Builders in Danville, Virginia, never mentioned the chains, but instead promoted the idea, through billboards and radio programs, that money that stayed in town helped to build the community and its institutions. Other groups attacked the chains directly and exhorted people to boycott them. A campaign in Springfield, Missouri, urged, "Keep Ozark Dollars in the Ozarks," and ran newspaper ads describing chain store managers as "mechanical operators" whose duty was to "get Springfield's money and to send it to the Home Office."


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Stacy Mitchell, author of Big-Box Swindle: The True Cost of Mega-Retailers and the Fight for America's Independent Businesses, is a senior researcher with the New Rules Project, a program of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance. She is the author of "The Hometown Advantage: How to Defend Your Main Street Against Chain Stores and Why It Matters."

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big chain
Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 7, 2006 12:38 AM   
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Opposition to big chain stores would probably greatly diminish if they would all pay a living wage to all of their employees. But we would still have the issue of shipping goods huge distances, increasing global warming and environmental destruction. We are still far away from having sustainable economies for the most part. We are still trashing the earth and creating chaos for the future with our wars and other unsustainable activities.

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WalMart Is Coming to the White House-REAl Soon.
Posted by: edith on Dec 7, 2006 12:46 AM   
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Without favorable zoning decisions, Wal-Mart, strip malls, treeless malls and other concrete "downtown" substitutes would not exist. How do you think this came to be? Because the "'consumer" demanded the death of small town and big city downtown shopping districts?

Try paying off the pols to push middle class housing and businesses out of core cities and small towns alike, building interstate highway system, defunding railroads, and destroying city and town school systems so that white flight denudes cities and forces a population transfrer to the suburbs.

The winner? Wal Mart!

Enablers? Thousands of sleazy local pols including William Jefferson Clinton and Hilary Rodham, Esq, Counsel for WalMart.

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Interesting history
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 7, 2006 2:44 AM   
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I assumed that everybody loved those old megastores back then because they had everything.

Nowadays, consumers aren't even smart at being consumers. I doubt that they're capable of thinking outside the big box.

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wisegalah in Sydney
Posted by: wisegalah on Dec 7, 2006 3:49 AM   
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All of you who are interested in this article would also be interested in what is happening in the small town of Maleny, Queensland, Australia. Just search for 'Woolworths' and 'Maleny'.

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It's about choice.
Posted by: colinmeister on Dec 7, 2006 3:52 AM   
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The problem with Wal*Mart and other big box stores is that in many cases they remove customer choice. If Wal*Mart is as successful as they want to be in a geographic location, they drive every other retailer in that location out of business.

The customer is then left no choice. Either the customer buys what Wal*Mart sells, or goes without. With durable goods, the Internet has opened up a mail order alternative, but for items such as fresh foods, mail order is not an option.

I avoid Wal*Mart most of the time because I want to have a better choice of what I can buy.

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» RE: It's about choice. Posted by: Guy
» Small towns no longer have a choice. Posted by: Michael Robin
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» A refreshing trend Posted by: aussidawg
nice to have choices but..
Posted by: aislinnluv on Dec 7, 2006 4:29 AM   
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if the only way you can afford to EAT and buy clothing is to shop at someplace like Walmart, then you have to hold your nose and plunge in. I know, because last year I earned less than $10,000. Try being a single mom of two teenagers and shopping for groceries at places like Kroger's, Randall's or HEB (a Texas grocery chain). Sure you get a wider variety of produce and exotic cheese, etc. but the prices are far higher. I appreciate mom and pop retailers but my spending power is so limited that, without WalMart, it would be difficult for us to eat nearly as well as we do. Plus, the gas I save by being able to purchase a variety of merchandise (clothes, hardware, auto supplies, etc.) makes a difference as well, out here in the 'burbs. When it comes to big box retailers, I have to say... hate the sin but love the sinner.

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Useful History
Posted by: Urstrly on Dec 7, 2006 4:36 AM   
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So we see that the big box stores did not suddenly appear out of nowhere, that they are part of a progression. So maybe we can turn that progression around, one consumer at a time.

My small hometown's Main Street was literally sucked dry by Walmart. Now Walmart wants to "consolidate" its store there with a superstore in an adjoining county, and of course the local pols are panicked because that will suck the tax dollars out of the county. When Walmart arrived, they were welcomed with open arms because many people are poor or working class, and they perceived local merchants as greedy because their prices were higher. Of course no one pointed out that their prices are high because they don't have access to Walmart's enormous wholesale apparatus, or anyone else's. Local merchants were perceived as whiners unable to see reality or the future.

The real solution would be to rachet up the expectations at the local schools so that graduates would have a better shot at decent jobs. But that would mean hitting up the local textile mills, who are threatening to leave the country and probably will, and overcoming the endemic Southern resistance to unions.

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» RE: Useful History Posted by: SteveO
Value isn't just about money
Posted by: hagwind on Dec 7, 2006 5:12 AM   
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I worked for an independent bookstore in the 1980s, when the big chains were gaining momentum. Over and over and over again I had to listen to affluent, supposedly liberal-to-radical customers apologize for buying this or that popular title at a chain store for 10% off -- then come to us for the books that the chain store didn't carry (often because they were too controversial) and wouldn't special-order (too much work). I'd explain the cost of carrying titles of which we only sold a copy or two a year, and of tracking down and ordering single copies. I'd try to explain that the chain store could offer those deep discounts on best-sellers because it didn't offer the various services we did, because it paid its staff poorly, and because it was capitalized out the wazoo. The customer's eyes would almost always begin to glaze over. I finally gave up.

How we spend our dollars and our hours is at least as important as how we spend our votes. And when something doesn't come with a price tag -- like "community," or "local autonomy" -- it's hard to assign it a value. It's encouraging to hear that more and more people are realizing that there's more to life than the bottom line -- and also to be reminded that consumers are created, not born.

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» RE: Value isn't just about money Posted by: off-the-radar 2
Independence from the Corporate Global Economy
Posted by: Rshaw on Dec 7, 2006 5:14 AM   
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Good article, and I think it's important we think about the alternatives that are already being practiced.

Check out this article:
Independence from the Corporate Global Economy


We are the people we've been waiting for!

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goeswithness
Posted by: goeswithness on Dec 7, 2006 5:31 AM   
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I'm lucky - I live in a big enough city where the Wal marts we have are not the only choice. I sympathize with the person who feels the need to go to wal mart because of limited resources. Driving by the other day, I was thinking about a friend of mine who doesn't make much money and goes there, and it's hard for me to argue too much, but at the same time I noticed all these SUVs in the parking lot...and that idea has stuck in my brain all week:
SUVs at Wal Mart. Obviously people who could make different choices, obviously people who choose to do the selfish thing when it's NOT necessary. That is kind of discouraging.

This was a very interesting article but what I wonder also is, nowadays, what about degrees of "box store-ness?" I know Kroger is unionized, and I feel all right about going there. Where does Target fit into this? Should they be attacked as much, or are the in some degree more responsible?

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» RE: goeswithness Posted by: purplelotus13
Wal-Mart
Posted by: walterik on Dec 7, 2006 6:50 AM   
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By glancing through the articles written about Wal-Mart, this would not be a problem IF the products would be: "Made in USA".
By exployting the misery of the underprivileged in Asia, Africa and elsewere, these Big Box Stores can easily offer prices which cannot be matched by smaller, independent retailers.
The public demanded lower prices (at any cost). Wal-Mart and others are only offering what the majority of the public demands.
While the US Government willingly sees the outsourcing of jobs to other countries it is unable/unwilling to protect it's citizens of robbery.
Ask the members of the Senate and the House who they are working for. They are paid by US citizens - are they earning their wages?
Big corporations are running this world. Money is power. the media is owned by big corporations. The mind of the average citizen is bombarded with mis-information. What is to be expected? The Wal-Marts and others of the like kind will continue to make billions. Some people benefit in that system, others do not.
W.

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» RE: Wal-Mart Posted by: b4upoo
HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOUT FREEDOM???
Posted by: alicelillie on Dec 7, 2006 6:58 AM   
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When is the left going to get a handle on freedom again?

You are advocating a mandatory cap on store sizes, zoning laws and other such.

Have you forgotten about poor consumers? Have you not noticed how much lower Walmart prices are? Sure I have some issues with Walmart too. I have some sort of issue with just about every business as I don't agree with anybody 100%. Walmart may not pay its employees enough in my opinion, and they may turn to Big Brother and whine for the use of eminent domain to get (read steal) land. And I might have to wait in line. These are big issues. But with a small business, I have to pay more to be kept waiting, they may not have everything necessitating another stop, and the proprietor may support Bush, the war, zoning laws, store size cap laws and/or other such which he or she believes protect us all. These are big issues too.

I am a libertarian and fiercely oppose most regulations (including drug laws which the left seems to sympathize with me on) so obviously I disagree with most people on most issues. But I am willing to agree to disagree.

But when you go to Big Brother and beg for more laws I just about get sick.

If you don't like "box" stores, don't go to them. Rather go to small ones and pay more. If enough did that, then the big stores would find it more profitable to pare down. But, pleeeeeeeeze...no more laws. Don't we have enough?

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» Do you really need those things? Posted by: thistleblower
» FREEDOM??? Posted by: ssmit355
Carry Nothing Day
Posted by: thistleblower on Dec 7, 2006 7:16 AM   
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Like most people in my demographic (middle class desk worker), I own a laptop and an ipod and a cell phone and a pda. Being a computer professional in addition to that, I bring all of said things to work every day. I might call my wife about something on my walk to the office. If not, I'll try to finish Penn Gillette's most recent podcast. When I get to work I break out the laptop in order to sync my pda and update my ipod.

Recently, I forgot to put my backpack in the car and spent a day without those things. At first, I felt a twinge of desperation. I tried to add up in my head the cost of driving all the way home to get them (my commute is 40 minutes). I even considered- gasp- taking time off from work to do it.

But there was a pleasurable side effect that kicked in even on that first day. I heard birds and people and airplanes. I noticed things, for the first time in a very long time. I ended the day feeling like a person reborn. More importantly, I rediscovered the sensation of really feeling like a part of the world around me. Ipods and laptops give you a sense of belonging, too, even nature in an abstract way (Google Earth or The Rainforest Action Network homepages, for instance). But to feel connected to the grass growing under your feet, the birds who live in your neighborhood, and especially, the people. That's the feeling advertisers and retailers want you to forget about, because all that silly stuff is free. But it's empathy with other people that those things erode, and I can't think of a more important thing to hang on to in a world in which all senses are constantly bombarded by commercial messages.

There is already a Buy Nothing Day. I propose a Carry and Nothing and Use Little Day. Empty your pockets. Put down your backpack. IDs and keys too, if you think you can risk a little, because they are by-products of other more deeply rooted mechanisms of division in society. Go visit neighbors, take a walk in the park with your family, sit and do nothing. Resist the temptation to interact with human-made things, especially as shortcuts to communication. If you go to work, try to talk to people in person rather than shooting them an email. Get reconnected, humanity, before it is too late to do anything about it.

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It seems hopeless
Posted by: WitchyNy on Dec 7, 2006 8:26 AM   
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I don't know, it seems hopeless to me. The people who shop at Wal-mart in my town are the poor. The rich go to Costco-better store- better quality goods-better prices..better worker wages-Costco even supported Kerry..but it is $50-or more a year to join.
Oh- and Costco does not take food stamps.

So the poor go where they are welcome.

The closest alternative-Wild 0ats-is over 60 miles away.
It seems like liberals keep trying to 'fix' the system, but the system is so corrupt it cannot be fixed.

Capitalism just does not work for a just and ecologically sane culture. But Americans do not want to hear it. They are too busy living in a world of cars and TV and beer.

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» RE: It seems hopeless Posted by: edith
I am conflicted
Posted by: chaoslegs on Dec 7, 2006 8:33 AM   
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Two of the big box retailers are HQ within 10 miles of my home. Target and Best Buy are both headquarted in the Twin Cities.

I do shop with local merchants, but I just can't seem to get away from Target. The only saving grace is that I know Target does a lot of chartiable giving in the Twin Cities.

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Get "Swindle" + Independent Business Alliances
Posted by: LuisaO on Dec 7, 2006 8:51 AM   
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I just finished Big Box Swindle and can't recommend it highly enough to progressives for themselves and to give to your conservative relatives at Christmas. Why? It makes clear that corporate chains thrive because of government interventions as much as through competition.

Her chapter on the proliferation Independent Business Alliances was the most hopeful thing I've read this year. We're now exploring one in my home.

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Take the Pledge
Posted by: Guy on Dec 7, 2006 9:19 AM   
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Put your money where your heart is. Home is where the heart is. Shop at locally-owned, independent stores wherever possible. We need to take our communities back and this won't be done without some sacrifice.

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» RE: Take the Pledge Posted by: Guy
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» RE: Take the Pledge Posted by: sheena2u
» at least prioritize Posted by: thistleblower
The Electric Car
Posted by: mite on Dec 7, 2006 10:17 AM   
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I watched a DVD the other day- `Who Killed The Electric Car'

I read about NAFTA-CAFTA and believe me it is Congress and the citizens of this republic that allow this destruction of our country.

But not researching about `North American Union' will totally destroy middle class America. www.spp.gov

Our so called representatives keep denying this and the press refuse to make this an issue- more important then Iraq because when there is no more borders between Mexico- Canada the U.S. will not need a military controlled by the Congress cause the United Nations will control us as a Police-state of the World Government.

Wal-Mart will increase profits as they bring in mechandise from containers on rail and trucks from the coast of Mexico. Just think about the number of jobs lost in this country as the cheap labor take our jobs from Mexico, South America, India, and China.

Now let me pin-point the real problem for us citizens. On December 23, 2006 the Federal Reserve Act will celebrate its 93rd birthday and a few months later so will the IRS. JFK signed Executive Order 11110 to expunge the Fed. Reseerve and 6 months later no longer was President-Bang!

Congress passed this Act against Article 1 Sec: 8 of the Constitution and our debt has increased to over $11 Trillion. Our illegal income tax only pays the interest on this debt, it pays not one cent toward services. The IRS's own tax code makes income tax volunteer. www.givemeliberty.org www.originalintent.org www.freedomtofascism.com

Remember money's value decreases in value the more it takes to buy. You see the money in your pocket is worth nothing at all, it is only a note of debt.

We have to get back to money coined by Congress not printed by banks (U.S. Treasury) as I.O.U.'s (a Tax) on our labor.

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a big unanswered question...
Posted by: zooeyhall on Dec 7, 2006 10:28 AM   
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I, too, am dismayed by WalMart. I live in rural northeastern Nebraska, and WalMart SuperCenters have proliferated in my state. I have seen them dry-up local businesses in the small towns that surround these mega-stores.

However, what does one tell the single mom earning $6.00/hr, when she desperately needs to decide how to buy clothes for her kids AND pay the electricity bill out of this week's paycheck? The bottom line is: in my area, WalMart is generally 20% cheaper on items than other retailers.

In articles such as this one, too often the answer to this question is evaded or ignored.

I suspect that many articles such as this one are written by the more elitist Progressives, the ones that I dub the "Lexus Liberals", who have good professional jobs. Thus they can look at the poor working Joe (or Jane) pulling into the nearby Walmart while going "tsk tsk...you shouldn't shop at WalMart".

I don't know the real answer to the WalMart issue, and I am sure there isn't any magic solution to the problem. But I do know that we should consider the harsh economic realities that send many to these big stores.

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Fascinating article, and a moral conundrum
Posted by: crazyquilt on Dec 7, 2006 10:30 AM   
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This was an excellent article, giving much information of which I wasn't aware. Unfortunately, it doesn't solve my moral conundrum.

I live in a small college town in the Midwest. The town is extremely liberal (we were the only county in Ohio to handily reject the gay marriage amendment, iirc.) Yet, there is a Wal*Mart here.

I, alas, didn't live here when the store went in. I'm sure there was a large anti-Wal*Mart movement. Clearly, however, it didn't succeed.

Now, for many domestic goods, Wal*Mart is the only choice, except for Big Lots. When the college students come in, and need to equip their dorm rooms -- they pretty much have to go to Wal*Mart. The rural folks, who are generally middle class at most, shop at Wal*Mart. And, when the need arises, so do I.

Oddly, Wal*Mart has made some of the ethical choices I've made possible -- compact flourescent lightbulbs, supplies for cloth diapering. Does that 'excuse' my patronage?

I could shop elsewhere; I am lucky enough to be able to afford to do so. But there isn't anyplace else, without driving at least 45 minutes which, even with my high-efficiency Honda Fit, still burns yet more fossil fuels.

I find this entire situation immensely frustrating. I would love to do otherwise -- I do buy a significant amount of goods online, but, then, is that any better. given that it has to be delivered, using even more fossil fuels? If I can get the goods from a responsible merchant, then it is. But I don't always have the luxury of time.

So, I hold my nose, and shop at the Wart when I must, and patronize small businesses, local and online, when I can. It may not be 100% Progressive Approved, but idealism, however well intentioned, tends to break down in the real world of unpleasant compromises.

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Here's A Crazy Idea
Posted by: MAD on Dec 7, 2006 10:47 AM   
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Hate the big boxes? Tired of watching the little guys go under one by one when Wal-Mart and Home Depot roll into town? Now this is just a thought [pay attention here] . . .

STOP CONSUMING SO MUCH USELESS SHIT!!!

Then watch as Wal-Mart suffers one down quarter after the next. Before long they will be closing stores in those smaller, rural areas in order to save money, then watch as the little guys come back to fill the void. Look at what GM has been forced to do recently. How the mighty have fallen.

Unfortunately the problem of American conspicuous consumption permeates every aspect of our rapidly decaying society and the effects go beyond the Big Box stores. So if you really want to watch our society collapse in our lifetime, keep spending (not saving) and prepare to meet your new Chinese overlord.

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» RE: Here's A Crazy Idea Posted by: purplelotus13
Mom and Pop stores are for elitist phantasizers
Posted by: Franco33 on Dec 7, 2006 11:02 AM   
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I grew up in a little town in upstate New York where all we had was the Mom and Pops. Believe me, I don't miss them. They were usually run by greedy bastards and their greedy bastard wives. They paid far worse wages than Walmart, treated their customers worse unless you were in their "old buddy" network, jacked up their prices as far as they could and had far fewer choices.

Thankyou Walmart. They give the working people incredible value and good customer service. People who affect a nostalgia for Mom and Pop stores are generally suburban liberals who never had to suffer that culture.

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» RE: Bullshit Posted by: Techubus
Watch The End of Suburbia
Posted by: joy7 on Dec 7, 2006 11:18 AM   
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I just watched an excellent documentary last night: “The End of Suburbia: Oil Depletion and The Collapse of the American Dream”. www.endofsuburbia.com/ It is the perfect complement to “Who Killed the Electric Car?” and fits in well with the conversation about big box retailers.

Those interviewed for the film say that the lifestyle that most US citizens enjoy (aided by big box retailers) cannot sustain itself and that our consumptive ways of live — especially in the surburbs (because of long commutes into the cities and the oil and gas this uses) – cannot continue.

They say we may have already hit peak oil. Sometimes the only way to tell is to look back. It surely will be here by 2010. This doesn't mean that we will run out by 2010; rather, that it will cost more to extract resources after peak oil. This will drive up the cost of everything we purchase and consume.

Those interviewed for the film also posit that peak oil will reverse globalization and production of good will have to change and adapt...meaning bringing the manufacture and growing of products and food back to local economies.

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A different kind of consumer
Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 7, 2006 12:23 PM   
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I think we need to go further. I think we need to rethink what types of consumers we are. People shop at Wal-Mart because they think they don't have the money to shop elsewhere. My wife works with a group of women who all get their clothes from Wal-Mart. We never sho there because the clothes fall apart. We're just as finnancially destitute as her co-workers, but we shop less and buy goods that last longer.

When I went looking for a charcoal grill for my back porch, I went to Wal-Mart and Ace Hardware. The Wal-Mart grill was about $30 cheaper, but was a flimsy piece of junk made overseas. The grill I bought from Ace was made by Americans in Illinois, and is sturdy and built to last. (Of course, Ace is a chain store also, but they are franchise owned, smaller than the big boxes, and still carry a lot of American-made products)

I wish people of low wealth would consider just what they're getting as consumers when they shop at Wal-Mart for all their goods. I wish they would consider just what they're giving up as Americans (manufacturing jobs, money flowing directly back into their communities) when they shop at Wal-Mart.

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This is capitalism, not People-ism (can't unite)
Posted by: Landbaron on Dec 7, 2006 1:35 PM   
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In business money is the last thought, or reason for all of our actions. Wal-mart gives an offer you can't refuse, nobody is forced to work there. If I can save money from shopping there I have more money for my family, not some stranger that wouldn't care if I lived or died.

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No consumers
Posted by: ssmit355 on Dec 7, 2006 3:12 PM   
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An economic illusion might just be powerful enough to wreck the world. There's probably a precedent, but Keynes Economics did it best: divide the concept of producer/consumer in two--producers and consumers. As if you could be just one.

Think about this first though: let's keep this in context. An economy happens only after you meet the survival needs of a community, then members can enjoy specializing and trading. Base--produce. You must produce real goods to trade. If you cannot, then you have nothing to trade. If you have nothing to trade, you cannot consume. There are not ever consumers. There are only producers--they can and will consume.

Here we are. We are a giant society of fools producing nothing (on average). Managers--what do you make (besides money)? Presidents--what can you do (besides lie, cheat, and steal)? And that's how we work now--our country's leader lie, cheat, and steal from the world so that we can continue to consume! [This paragraph is a bit of venting, let it go, let it go.]

Back to reality: if you have credit then you have purchased against your own production to the point that you could be pushed into survival mode at any moment. That's credit: I'll give you two apples, tomorrow, if you give me one today. It's based on fantasy, prayer, and lies--especially when you don't have an apple tree.

Drill your own oil, out of your own...

Nah...Stop Driving!

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A couple of thoughts
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 7, 2006 3:20 PM   
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1) bring back "blue laws", like they still have in some states and many countries in Europe (although this is changing due to our influence.) This will help allow smaller stores to compete and also allow better life-style for the employees.

2) don't worry about Walmart. They are going to do JUST FINE, remember what influential familial-dynasty from Arkansas is eyeing the Presidency again.

3) sounds stupid but honestly- don't shop there. This will solve the problem. Not immediately but it will solve it if all of us simply don't shop there. I know this sounds simple but just do it.

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Too Poor To Be Politically Correct
Posted by: davidbdr on Dec 7, 2006 3:41 PM   
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I have to agree with some of the other posts. I am disabled and have to live on less than 10 grand a year. Those who believe that us poor consumers don't try to find alternatives are just, plain and simple, boneheads. Most of us are at the mercy of transit systems and availability. Co-ops? Farmer's markets? It is to laugh! I live in a small town with a predominance of malls and shopping plazas. While I feel dirty for having to buy groceries at Wal-Mart, I have NO choice. (and this was even before Wal-Mart's arrival) Yes, there are other supermarkets but the prices there are ridiculous. I have to wonder why anyone WITH the money to buy would fork over what is necessary. It's not like the employees at these places are seing great wages or benefits either to justify supporting them.
Instead of setting up an advesarial position with Wal-Mart, we should be discussing with them why paying a living wage to their employees makes good sense. Happy employees are less likely to steal, sabotage is eliminated and retention is better. Plus they would have more money to spend in the store. This is not just a Wal-Mart problem. The maximizing profits at the expense of the employee mindset seems to be the prevailing attitude in Corporate America.
Stop telling me why I shouldn't be shopping at Wal-Mart. Unless you have had to live at this abysmal income level (outside of college) I really don't think what you say has much merit. Nickel & Dimed my ass. Do it for years then write a damned book.

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Always Greedy, Always
Posted by: Freebirdrob on Dec 7, 2006 5:15 PM   
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I used to work in commercial collections and occasionally had to go to Walmart to attempt to collect debts. I was always told to supply a ridiculous amount of proof and when supplied was always refused with the threat to stop selling my clients' merchandise if I pursued collection attempts. Once I told a client this I was informed they were aware of this practice but the products supplied to Walmart were of lower quality due to their demands and lack of financial ethics.
Over time I have heard several complaints from friends about their Walmart purchased items not lasting long so I decided to do a little test. I purchased 3 items each for my daughter and myself, a toaster, an iron and a coffeemaker. I purchased one set at Walmart and the other at different merchants but by the same manufacturer. Within 1 year all three of my Walmart items were broken yet 3 years later 2 of my daughter's items are still working. Initially the Walmart items saved me $22 but in the end I was the big loser and so are millions of others who shop at Walmart thinking they are getting a good deal.
Of course I do not judge those who must shop at Walmart for financial reasons and sympathize with their dilemma but too many people shop there that can shop elsewhere and I say shame on each and every one of you.
Oh, and I haven't stepped foot in a Walmart since I bought those crappy items. If I cannot afford something at another store I wait until I come up with the money.

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The 'Poor"
Posted by: gellero on Dec 7, 2006 6:31 PM   
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How do the 'poor' shop? I thought they didn't have money?? Maybe they're the frugal (but not as sophisticated as you) consumers??

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» They run up debt Posted by: YogiBear
Politics as usual
Posted by: quixote on Dec 8, 2006 10:35 PM   
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