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Rethinking Terrorism: A Jewish American Crosses into Hezbollah Territory
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A man on a scooter zooms around the bus, forcing us to the side. What are we doing here, a bus full of six American reporters and six Middle Eastern reporters. A Syrian and an Iranian. A Jew. A Palestinian.
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We are in the heart of Hezbollah territory. The name, as it staggers off our president's tongue, is synonymous with terrorism. It often comes with other names.
Hamas. Taliban. Bin Laden. Al-Qaeda. Names or ideas meant to strike fear in Americans.
But here we are in Beirut's southern suburbs, driving past barber shops and pastry shops. Music blares out of car stereos. Girls walk hand in hand, some with heads covered, some in tight pants. They bow their heads, or stare intently into the bus, sometimes meeting my blue eyes even if just for a moment. Old men stand outside shops sipping from pink plastic espresso cups.
And then the buildings appear.
Israel laid waste to a dozen city blocks around Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah's former home, once the administrative hub and "security zone" for the group.
A large tent is now used to greet reporters and other visitors. I step into the tent and am drawn to a series of political cartoons posted on its walls.
They caricature America's policies in the Middle East and Israel's perceived defeat in the month-long summer war. A mini George W. Bush marches roughshod across the globe, "democracy" stamped on the bottom of his combat boot. A ferocious Condoleezza Rice, with caricatured lips, delivers a bomb to Lebanon. Sobbing Israeli soldiers walk off the battlefield, their pants soaked in piss.
These pictures momentarily confuse me, but my Arab colleagues are unfazed. I understand that this powerful propaganda is just a mirror image of our own. But still, I feel somewhat alone, an American in Hezbollah's tent.
A few months prior this very spot was bombed by Israeli jets in a war that America ignored for weeks. A war that my country sanctioned, if not actively supported.
Now we, as journalists yes, but as Americans too, stand on this very ground. The rubble has mostly been cleared, or combed into neat piles.
But the ghosts of buildings remain.
I quietly digest the cartoons. I feel parched.
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Like any other office, this Hezbollah press center/volunteer coordination tent is graced with a water cooler.
I ask a man standing around the water cooler for a cup. Drink a few sips.
So, I say, warming into pidgin Arabic, you work here?
He smiles, pours coffee. He is helping coordinate the rebuilding effort.
Ahlan wa sahlan, he says. Welcome.
I greet another, younger man. Where are you from, he asks. America, I say.
The man is bemused. He dials a cell phone and hands me the receiver.
Who's there?
It's his brother in Detroit.
I am standing in the Hezbollah volunteer center talking to a Lebanese guy in Detroit who is not happy to be on the phone. It's 5 a.m. in Detroit.
I tell him I'm from Boise. Nice talking to you.
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It's always been a slightly unnerving exercise. A yogic workout for my journalistic mind.
As I child I learned that Israel was surrounded by enemies.
So when I went there in my college years, I set about meeting these supposed foes.
I toured Gaza City in a United Nations van and, only at the end of the tour, as we observed open sewers running into the Mediterranean, did our Palestinian guide ask me about my T-shirt.
It was a well-worn memento of the Jewish olympics in Baltimore.
I turned the shirt inside out, but that was the last time I denied my heritage in Arab lands.
A few months later I found myself explaining to a group of rural Egyptian lawyers that I was both Jewish and agnostic and believed that we evolved from monkeys trying to reach apples higher on the trees.
They hooted and hollered at the notion and bought me lunch. I later explained my roots to Palestinian mothers, in their living rooms, photos of their AK-47-weilding children peering down at us from the mantelpiece.
Sure I'm Jewish, my mother is Jewish. My intense questioning derives from childhood Torah study. Flirting with the Talmud.
After a failed venture into Syria in 1998, I found myself in front of a squad of Jordanian police, explaining that I could not share in the bread they were offering because it was Eid al-Pesach, a holiday commemorating the Jewish escape from Egypt thousands of years ago.
They offered me yogurt and a spoon.
In all my travels in the Middle East I have repeatedly received the same welcome response. It is one of two Koranic phrases I have memorized.
Lakum dinakum wa ana diin. Roughly, they have their mitzvahs, and I have mine.
I don't pretend to understand the context or interpretations of this phrase, but my entire understanding of Islam -- of the Arab world -- starts here.
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For a moment I thought I had gone too far coming to this Hezbollah stronghold.
As dusk settles in over Haret Hreik, we walk a few blocks over to the former headquarters of Al Manar television, which the Israelis flattened toward the end of the war.
I hang behind the group, Hezbollah spokesman Ibrahim Zarakat strolling to my right. A prominent Lebanese journalist, who is part of a our group, strolls to my left. The question I have been waiting for comes.
Nathaniel. That's a Jewish name, right. You're Jewish?
Sure, it's a Jewish name. I wait for a sign. Is that going to be a problem, I ask.
Hezbollah leaders have a reputation for slow deliberation, so I let out a deep breath as I wait for a response.
Jews lived among Arabs for thousands of years and even Hezbollah, a sworn enemy to Israel, has not forgotten this.
Minutes earlier, Hezbollah senior political advisor Hassan Ezz Eddine had recalled for us fondly the Jewish neighborhood in Beirut, Wadi Abu-Jamil.
Hezbollah exists for the official purpose of defending Lebanon from "Israeli aggression," a mission for which wide swaths of the Lebanese population are now quite appreciative. Zarakat, and my Lebanese journalist colleague assure me they have no problem with my religion. They point around at the destruction and ask me who the terrorists are. They recall a delegation of rabbis that visited Haret Hreik some years ago.
In Lebanon and across the Middle East, journalists and experts are too eager to point to sectarian divisions -- Sunni vs. Shia, Christian vs. Muslim -- as causes of conflict. In the Middle East I know, in the very heart of Jerusalem even, people from every religious background lived as neighbors for centuries.
The Muslim attorneys in Egypt called out to a priest as he walked by and told him about this Jewish American who thinks people were once monkeys. The priest shook his head and kept walking.
Countless Lebanese told me about their "other-sect" wives.
And even as a brilliant sun set on buildings bombed by Israel just a few months prior, members of a group that the United States deems "terrorist" all around me, I, an American Jew, was taken at face value. I was treated as an individual.
This is a skill that many Americans lack. And the more time I spend on U.S. soil, the more I tend to group people into huge categories.
When President Bush condemns Hezbollah or Islamo-facism or however he puts it, despite my better judgment, an image of thousands of Lebanese villagers gearing up for our slaughter is unfortunately conjured in my head. It is an image I know to be false, an image quickly dispensed with by visiting the villages.
But it creeps into my mind anyway.
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As we pull away from the ruins of Haret Hreik I am struck by the absurdity of this conflict. How does the bombing start when we can we stand here chatting politely, drinking coffee, asking questions about Israel and Lebanese politics? Who are the people who start the bombing? Who are the kidnappers and the killers? And why can't they talk a little more first?
On the bus ride home I suggest to another Lebanese journalist that one day he'll be able to drive a few hours south to Tel Aviv to hit the beach.
No, he says. We are in a state of war with Israel. It is impossible.
There are a few moments of silence. He looks my way again.
How many hours away is Tel Aviv, he asks.
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Posted by: richholland on Dec 5, 2006 12:28 AM
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In Europe we have christiandemocrats, liberal= yr republicans and socialists.
I fear that the Jews are not willing to cooperate with other religions but I am not sure about the Islam.
However the american view that people that want their own democrazy are terrorists or communists is not true and very dangerous for Americans.
In my youth the USA were the exemple for the future wealth and freedom for everyone, what happened that changed this
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» We create stereotypes to quickly assess our complex world....
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Posted by: asilsfable on Dec 5, 2006 12:54 AM
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Where is the disconnect and how did it settle in the minds and hearts of Jews? I'm offended, really offended, when people claim that 'it's always the Jews' whenever something bad goes down. It's isn't always the Jews--please, recent history proves that enough without even going through the past.
Perhaps a day or two of stepping out of one's comfort zone should be as mandatory as Yom Kippur--a day of atonement.
By the way, I'm going to Tehran in February and leaving for Cairo tomorrow. And I plan to have a smashingly great time. I'll let you all know how it was when I get back.
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» RE: We need to unite the Muslims and Jews peacefully. Tough to do of course.
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Posted by: amazed again on Dec 5, 2006 5:50 AM
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We as humans are also animals and therefor act out the same story. Some things that put us above the rest of the animals are our ability to empathise and a willingness to share our campsite though usually only for a limited time. Compassion and caring also feature high on our list of admirable traits.
Unfortunately some of our kind still have a strong territorial instinct and a need to spread their own seed to the far corners of the earth. Therefor we will continue to watch territorial fights and clans will alway be more important than strangers.
Having said this I am drawn to people who treat me with respect and care, and I am always looking for the opportunity to show caring and compassion for my fellow man. and I am pleased to note that Hezbolah treated you with respect and dignity.
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 5, 2006 6:21 AM
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December 5, 2006 WAWA BLOG:
I posted the first excerpt from my second book:
THIRD INTIFADA/UPRISING :
NONVIOLENT: But With Words Sharper Than a
Two Edged Sword
subtitle:
Memoirs of a Nice Irish American Girl in
Occupied Territory
On December 1st WAWA BLOG:
I don't have a degree in journalism, but when I was a kid, I wanted to grow up and be Brenda Starr: the red-headed ace investigative journalist of the Sunday comics. I even worked as a copy girl for one year after high school, but decided to go into nursing and that led me to marry a doctor, which enabled me to travel four times to the Occupied Palestinian Territories in the last year and a half...
Today I offer the next excerpt from Chapter 1:
So, What's a Nice Irish American Girl Like Me Doing in Occupied Territory?
In January 2005, during my second journey to Israel and Palestine, seven Americans and a Brit, rode in a van through the Kidron Valley on the un-maintained bumpy winding narrow roads that Palestinians must go, in order to reach Jericho and the Dead Sea. Our guide was from Beit Jala, a Christian community on the west side of Bethlehem who told us,
"Do you know what is more dangerous to the Israeli government than a journalist? A tour guide, for we always tell the truth and cannot be censored!"
I know it sounds crazy, but on that bus trip through the Kidron Valley, I saw an upside down rainbow that was inverted above the mountain tops. I wondered if it were a sign from God confirming the fact that in this Orwellian world of Israel and Palestine: wrong has become right. After the rainbow vaporized from view, my traveling guide told me, "In Israel the only law is the law of the jungle...
MUCH MORE on WAWA:
www.WeAreWideAwake.org
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 5, 2006 6:41 AM
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But,
I did NOT meet any "terrorists"
Before Emperor Constantine brought Christianity into the mainstream, all the early Church Fathers taught that Christians should not serve in the army but instead willingly suffer rather than inflict harm on any other. The term Christianity was not coined until three decades after Christ walked the earth. Until the day of Paul, followers of Christ were called members of The Way; the way being what he taught!
Christ was never a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up/intifada and challenged the corrupt Temple and disturbed the status quo of the Roman occupying forces by teaching that God was on the side of the poor and the outcast.
Clement, Tertillian, Polycarp and every other early Church Father taught that violence was a contradiction of what Christ was all about.
There have always been those Christians who spoke out against this corruption of scripture and they have been ignored, reviled, rejected, mocked, persecuted and maligned throughout time.
There have always been Christians who have never abandoned the true teachings, such as the Quakers, Mennonites, some Catholics and Protestants who have been faithful witnesses to Christ by denouncing violence and caring for the poor.
There have also always been Jews, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, secularists and other's who have lived lives that embody the message of Christ.
I have had the opportunity to meet some of these people in Israel and Palestine and they too, are the inspiration for my second book.
They fill me with hope to believe that as greater numbers of global citizens come together -which is inevitable with the borderless World Wide Web-in solidarity with The Universal Declaration of Human Rights we will find the way to challenge and remedy the wrongs committed by the princes and principalities of this world that perpetuate violence for violence.
It is a spiritual battle we all fight, for both good and evil cut through every human heart. Because all life is interconnected and interdependent we are all forced to deal with the war within the individual human heart when ever it erupts into society and issues forth from the political realm...
www.wearewideawake.org
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 5, 2006 6:45 AM
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2 1/2 years after he was released from 18 years in jail for telling the world The Truth:
That Israel had gone nuclear.
Reporter and full time CPT/Christian Peacemaker Teams volunteer, Jerry Levin, reported Vanunu's answer in a December 3, 2006 email:
Jerry: "Do you see an element of persecution in all this governmental pressure?"
Unhesitatingly, Mordechai answered. "There is. It is my Christianity that they cannot accept. That is the source of my problems with my case."
The rest of Jerry's report follows, but first let me tell you a little about Jerry.
Jerry Levin, a secular Jew and CNN's former Mid East Bureau Chief in the 1980's was kidnapped by the Hezbollah in Lebanon and held for nearly a year. Meanwhile, his wife Sis, a Christian had been praying and persistently working for his release. On Christmas Eve, Jerry had a mystical experience of Christ and shortly thereafter escaped unharmed.
Ever since, the couple have dedicated their 'retirement' years working for peace and pursuing justice in the Holy Land. Jerry's book "My First Noel" about that event and his hard hitting expose "West Bank Diary" can be purchased through
www.hope-pub.com
I met Jerry for the first time on the third Tuesday in June 2005, when he 'shepherded' me through Hebron. Hebron is where 450 Israeli settlers are protected by 3,000 Israeli Defense/Occupying Forces. I was nauseous the entire day for the oppression is visceral and the visuals reminded me of every photo and movie I had ever seen of the ghettos the Jews were forced into during the Holocaust. The settlers [who are are illegal colonists according to International law] spray painted "GAS THE ARABS" and Stars of David upon what had once been peaceful Palestinian homes.
A main street in Hebron where the colonists/settlers live on one side and Palestinians on the other is connected by a thick yet deeply sagging netting above ones head. Huge rocks, shovels, electronic equipment, furniture and all manner of debris have been flung onto it by the settlers with the hope that it will give way and hit a Palestinian on the head.
Jerry told me, "It gets cleaned out about every year or so. Come back in a few months and there will be more. The settlers just throw what ever they want onto the netting, they do what ever they want and get away with it. The CPT's run interference by non-violent resistance, we get the children and woman to where they need to be going and back again. Sometimes the settlers curse and stone us all; it keeps it interesting."
For Jerry's report see Dec. 4th WAWA BLOG:
www.WeAreWideAwake.org
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» The Hebron scene is a part of what war is all about. Hezbollah is "at war" with Israel.
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» Israel wants to end the war. Its neighbors want to end Israel. If you can't see the difference, it's
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» That's nuts.
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» soup to nuts
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» "Israel hasn't really been threatened by any of its neighbours in over 30 years." True
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Posted by: edhowes on Dec 5, 2006 6:53 AM
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When one has been fearful for twenty or thirty years, fear becomes an old friend and a way of life. Fearful parents create fearful children, who become fearful parents who raise fearful children. In two generations we have created a fearful nation. One that turns to authority to know what to believe. They are afraid they cannot trust what they know or their intuition. They become totally dependent on the external world for guidance and internal cripples. Once one's life is all about coping with fear, life without fear has no meaning.
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Posted by: laoma on Dec 5, 2006 7:25 AM
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"What are we doing here, a bus full of six American reporters and six Middle Eastern reporters. A Syrian and an Iranian. A Jew. A Palestinian."
Why is the religious preference of this writer important and those of his 'colleagues' not? This is apples and and oranges, folks. TO remain pertinent the correct word should have been 'American', or include the religious preference and nationality of each of his colleagues. But he continues....
"...but my Arab colleagues are unfazed."
This guy is clueless. Iranians are not Arabs. And the assumption that all Syrians or Palestinians are is equally unfounded.
"A few months prior this very spot was bombed by Israeli jets in a war that America ignored for weeks. A war that my country sanctioned, if not actively supported."
Not actively supporting? First, any inactivity supports the status quo. Second, it was widely reported that when Israel was running out of heavy explosive munitions, the US was shipping from California and other bases. No support, indeed.
"Now we, as journalists yes, but as Americans too, stand on this very ground."
Only now we are told that his associates are also Americans. Or are they? It is impossible to tell.
"...that was the last time I denied my heritage in Arab lands."
Indeed, what is the heritage of a white caucasian from Boise, Idaho who believes in Judaism? This is the typical mythological hook to grab real estate in the Middle East.
"Sure I'm Jewish, my mother is Jewish."
The other classic mythological hook. A tenet in the Jewish religion that for some reason the rest of the world believes, even though they're not Jewish. Sort of similar to the 'one drop' blood laws in the US to determine who is not white.
I could go on, but this is an essay or article that wouldn't get a passing grade in Freshman Composition. Hoffman's "journalistic mind" is confused in more than one way. This is precisely the kind 'journalistic writing' that has earned journalism its sterling reputation in the past 20 or so years: solid writing skills, impeccable research, a command of the language, and logical consistency.
All of it BOGUS!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Dec 5, 2006 10:12 AM
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However, for those who want to now the actual details about the situation in the Middle East, look to authors like Robert Fisk (general rule of thumb - the more truth you tell, the more people you piss off - and since Fisk is roundly condemned, he's worth listening to).
For example:
Like Hitler and Brezhnev, Bush is in denial
A French colonial legacy of despair
'I think there are enough weapons for the next war'
Gemayel's mourners know that in Lebanon nothing is what it seems
Lebanon is like America, in many ways - a multicultural society where nothing is as it seems.
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Posted by: Lord Ichmael on Dec 5, 2006 12:23 PM
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While I don't really support Hezbollah; or any group involved in the Arab-Israeli conflict, I think its resistance (and also the insurgency in Iraq), though not all of its actions, is justified by the occupation and abductings of thousands of Lebanese civilians (called "arrests" by the US media) that Israel has and is doing. Hezbollah, in response to Israel's seizing several thousand innocent Lebanese citizens, seized two Israeli soldiers. That gave Israel its excuse to attempt to steamroller Lebanon like it does usually to most other countries around it, but this time it failed.
Yes, Hezbollah has killed a fair amount of Israeli civilians (which it believes to be justifed) (and that's why I don't support it), but as British politician George Galloway noted, the amount of civilians killed by Hezbollah is about a thirtieth of the innocent deaths in Lebanon that Israel has caused. Also, Hezbollah was among the governments and groups within the Arab-Islamic world that condemned Al-Qaeda's 9/11 killings, and its leader, Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, stated, "What do the people who worked in those two [World Trade Center] towers, along with thousands of employees, women and men, have to do with war that is taking place in the Middle East? Or the war that Mr. George Bush may wage on people in the Islamic world? ... Therefore we condemned this act -- and any similar act we condemn. ... I said nothing about the Pentagon, meaning we remain silent. We neither favored nor opposed that act .... Well, of course, the method of Osama bin Laden, and the fashion of bin Laden, we do not endorse them. And many of the operations that they have carried out, we condemned them very clearly." Hmm... seems he either didn't have an opinion on the Pentagon attack, or might have approved it but didn't want to say so. I've heard rumors that Hezbollah has ties to Al-Qaeda, but from what I've read I'm almost certain those are false. Al-Qaeda's status as a terrorist organization is indisputable, but I don't think Hezbollah qualifies for such a term.
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» I see no differences between a genuinely popular Chicago gang and a terrorist organization.
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» Nonsense
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» My "nonsense" in this thread began with me dismissing the popularity of Hizbollah with Christians.
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Posted by: lessbread on Dec 5, 2006 12:39 PM
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My praise goes out to Hoffman for writing this essay.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Dec 5, 2006 6:06 PM
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That pales in comparison to the reports of nuclear fission products in Israeli bombs however. This take a little explaining. To run a nuclear reactor, you need to take naturally occuring uranium, a mixture of the isotopes U-235 and U-238, and refine the uranium from 0.7% U-235 to around 3% U235. The leftover U238 is the infamous 'depleted uranium' that was widely used by US forces in Iraq (to make a uranium bomb it needs to be enriched to a far greater extent, something like 80% U235).
Now, if you use the enriched uranium in a nuclear power plant, numerous fission and 'neutron capture' products are formed (including plutonium, a raw material for nuclear weapons) - thus, anyone who is running a nuclear power plant can eventually accumulate enough plutonium for a nuclear weapon - some reactors do this far faster then others. Disposing of this waste is impossible and is a damning argument against nuclear power.
Apparently, what Israel did is put this spent nuclear waste in bombs and use it against civilian targets. It seems to me that any member of the Jewish faith has a moral responsibility to stand up and denounce Israel for such incredibly insane actions. I mean, this is a war crime by any stretch of the imagination - and the US media barely touched this. It's at least as bad as anything Saddam did, and if he is hung then the leader of Israel (Ehud Olmert) and the generals of the IDF Air Force should also be hung.
Having said that, Hezbollah's idiotic cheerleading for war is of no benefit to anyone; the claim that they 'won' the war ignores the fact that they stupidly provided an excuse for Israel to kill at least 1,000 people and shower Lebanon with cluster bombs and nuclear-based weaponry. Bush and Rumsfeld and Rice are also responsible, as they could have ordered Israel to halt the assault at any moment. There are still sick people who rejoice when war breaks out - that's the ugly fact behind the whole Mideast conflict.
The issue of Israel's use of radioactive nuclear waste as a munition deserves far more attention; it is a monstrous action that reveals the perverse mentality of Israeli war planners.
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Posted by: gellero on Dec 5, 2006 6:55 PM
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The biggest use or depleted uranium is in armor piercing ammo, due to its high mass. Virtually all armies use it.
Hizzballah is dedicated to Israel's distruction. If the Lebanese government allows them to operate independently, they can expect a massive retaliation. I'm surprised the Israelis held back. Civilians can expect more war and destruction if they allow militias to operate in their neighborhoods. The Israelis aren't going away, and the Arabs are doomed if they don't accept this fact. Thery are not going to get back all the land that was taken in the '67 war. The Israelis will never trust the Arabs enough to give them strategic turf like the Golan. Why should they put their population at risk? To show they are reasonable?
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 7, 2006 2:15 PM
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I did NOT meet any terrorists!
I have lived in-and reported from the occupied Palestinian territories since June 2005.
If you are ready to WAKE UP:
The Truth is out there:
WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Opednews.com:
http://www.opednews.com/author/author1112.html
http://www.opednews.com/author/author1112.html?entry=diary
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Posted by: richholland on Dec 5, 2006 12:28 AM
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In Europe we have christiandemocrats, liberal= yr republicans and socialists.
I fear that the Jews are not willing to cooperate with other religions but I am not sure about the Islam.
However the american view that people that want their own democrazy are terrorists or communists is not true and very dangerous for Americans.
In my youth the USA were the exemple for the future wealth and freedom for everyone, what happened that changed this
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Posted by: asilsfable on Dec 5, 2006 12:54 AM
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Where is the disconnect and how did it settle in the minds and hearts of Jews? I'm offended, really offended, when people claim that 'it's always the Jews' whenever something bad goes down. It's isn't always the Jews--please, recent history proves that enough without even going through the past.
Perhaps a day or two of stepping out of one's comfort zone should be as mandatory as Yom Kippur--a day of atonement.
By the way, I'm going to Tehran in February and leaving for Cairo tomorrow. And I plan to have a smashingly great time. I'll let you all know how it was when I get back.
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Posted by: amazed again on Dec 5, 2006 5:50 AM
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We as humans are also animals and therefor act out the same story. Some things that put us above the rest of the animals are our ability to empathise and a willingness to share our campsite though usually only for a limited time. Compassion and caring also feature high on our list of admirable traits.
Unfortunately some of our kind still have a strong territorial instinct and a need to spread their own seed to the far corners of the earth. Therefor we will continue to watch territorial fights and clans will alway be more important than strangers.
Having said this I am drawn to people who treat me with respect and care, and I am always looking for the opportunity to show caring and compassion for my fellow man. and I am pleased to note that Hezbolah treated you with respect and dignity.
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 5, 2006 6:21 AM
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December 5, 2006 WAWA BLOG:
I posted the first excerpt from my second book:
THIRD INTIFADA/UPRISING :
NONVIOLENT: But With Words Sharper Than a
Two Edged Sword
subtitle:
Memoirs of a Nice Irish American Girl in
Occupied Territory
On December 1st WAWA BLOG:
I don't have a degree in journalism, but when I was a kid, I wanted to grow up and be Brenda Starr: the red-headed ace investigative journalist of the Sunday comics. I even worked as a copy girl for one year after high school, but decided to go into nursing and that led me to marry a doctor, which enabled me to travel four times to the Occupied Palestinian Territories in the last year and a half...
Today I offer the next excerpt from Chapter 1:
So, What's a Nice Irish American Girl Like Me Doing in Occupied Territory?
In January 2005, during my second journey to Israel and Palestine, seven Americans and a Brit, rode in a van through the Kidron Valley on the un-maintained bumpy winding narrow roads that Palestinians must go, in order to reach Jericho and the Dead Sea. Our guide was from Beit Jala, a Christian community on the west side of Bethlehem who told us,
"Do you know what is more dangerous to the Israeli government than a journalist? A tour guide, for we always tell the truth and cannot be censored!"
I know it sounds crazy, but on that bus trip through the Kidron Valley, I saw an upside down rainbow that was inverted above the mountain tops. I wondered if it were a sign from God confirming the fact that in this Orwellian world of Israel and Palestine: wrong has become right. After the rainbow vaporized from view, my traveling guide told me, "In Israel the only law is the law of the jungle...
MUCH MORE on WAWA:
www.WeAreWideAwake.org
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 5, 2006 6:41 AM
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But,
I did NOT meet any "terrorists"
Before Emperor Constantine brought Christianity into the mainstream, all the early Church Fathers taught that Christians should not serve in the army but instead willingly suffer rather than inflict harm on any other. The term Christianity was not coined until three decades after Christ walked the earth. Until the day of Paul, followers of Christ were called members of The Way; the way being what he taught!
Christ was never a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up/intifada and challenged the corrupt Temple and disturbed the status quo of the Roman occupying forces by teaching that God was on the side of the poor and the outcast.
Clement, Tertillian, Polycarp and every other early Church Father taught that violence was a contradiction of what Christ was all about.
There have always been those Christians who spoke out against this corruption of scripture and they have been ignored, reviled, rejected, mocked, persecuted and maligned throughout time.
There have always been Christians who have never abandoned the true teachings, such as the Quakers, Mennonites, some Catholics and Protestants who have been faithful witnesses to Christ by denouncing violence and caring for the poor.
There have also always been Jews, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, secularists and other's who have lived lives that embody the message of Christ.
I have had the opportunity to meet some of these people in Israel and Palestine and they too, are the inspiration for my second book.
They fill me with hope to believe that as greater numbers of global citizens come together -which is inevitable with the borderless World Wide Web-in solidarity with The Universal Declaration of Human Rights we will find the way to challenge and remedy the wrongs committed by the princes and principalities of this world that perpetuate violence for violence.
It is a spiritual battle we all fight, for both good and evil cut through every human heart. Because all life is interconnected and interdependent we are all forced to deal with the war within the individual human heart when ever it erupts into society and issues forth from the political realm...
www.wearewideawake.org
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 5, 2006 6:45 AM
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2 1/2 years after he was released from 18 years in jail for telling the world The Truth:
That Israel had gone nuclear.
Reporter and full time CPT/Christian Peacemaker Teams volunteer, Jerry Levin, reported Vanunu's answer in a December 3, 2006 email:
Jerry: "Do you see an element of persecution in all this governmental pressure?"
Unhesitatingly, Mordechai answered. "There is. It is my Christianity that they cannot accept. That is the source of my problems with my case."
The rest of Jerry's report follows, but first let me tell you a little about Jerry.
Jerry Levin, a secular Jew and CNN's former Mid East Bureau Chief in the 1980's was kidnapped by the Hezbollah in Lebanon and held for nearly a year. Meanwhile, his wife Sis, a Christian had been praying and persistently working for his release. On Christmas Eve, Jerry had a mystical experience of Christ and shortly thereafter escaped unharmed.
Ever since, the couple have dedicated their 'retirement' years working for peace and pursuing justice in the Holy Land. Jerry's book "My First Noel" about that event and his hard hitting expose "West Bank Diary" can be purchased through
www.hope-pub.com
I met Jerry for the first time on the third Tuesday in June 2005, when he 'shepherded' me through Hebron. Hebron is where 450 Israeli settlers are protected by 3,000 Israeli Defense/Occupying Forces. I was nauseous the entire day for the oppression is visceral and the visuals reminded me of every photo and movie I had ever seen of the ghettos the Jews were forced into during the Holocaust. The settlers [who are are illegal colonists according to International law] spray painted "GAS THE ARABS" and Stars of David upon what had once been peaceful Palestinian homes.
A main street in Hebron where the colonists/settlers live on one side and Palestinians on the other is connected by a thick yet deeply sagging netting above ones head. Huge rocks, shovels, electronic equipment, furniture and all manner of debris have been flung onto it by the settlers with the hope that it will give way and hit a Palestinian on the head.
Jerry told me, "It gets cleaned out about every year or so. Come back in a few months and there will be more. The settlers just throw what ever they want onto the netting, they do what ever they want and get away with it. The CPT's run interference by non-violent resistance, we get the children and woman to where they need to be going and back again. Sometimes the settlers curse and stone us all; it keeps it interesting."
For Jerry's report see Dec. 4th WAWA BLOG:
www.WeAreWideAwake.org
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» "Israel hasn't really been threatened by any of its neighbours in over 30 years." True
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Posted by: edhowes on Dec 5, 2006 6:53 AM
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When one has been fearful for twenty or thirty years, fear becomes an old friend and a way of life. Fearful parents create fearful children, who become fearful parents who raise fearful children. In two generations we have created a fearful nation. One that turns to authority to know what to believe. They are afraid they cannot trust what they know or their intuition. They become totally dependent on the external world for guidance and internal cripples. Once one's life is all about coping with fear, life without fear has no meaning.
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"What are we doing here, a bus full of six American reporters and six Middle Eastern reporters. A Syrian and an Iranian. A Jew. A Palestinian."
Why is the religious preference of this writer important and those of his 'colleagues' not? This is apples and and oranges, folks. TO remain pertinent the correct word should have been 'American', or include the religious preference and nationality of each of his colleagues. But he continues....
"...but my Arab colleagues are unfazed."
This guy is clueless. Iranians are not Arabs. And the assumption that all Syrians or Palestinians are is equally unfounded.
"A few months prior this very spot was bombed by Israeli jets in a war that America ignored for weeks. A war that my country sanctioned, if not actively supported."
Not actively supporting? First, any inactivity supports the status quo. Second, it was widely reported that when Israel was running out of heavy explosive munitions, the US was shipping from California and other bases. No support, indeed.
"Now we, as journalists yes, but as Americans too, stand on this very ground."
Only now we are told that his associates are also Americans. Or are they? It is impossible to tell.
"...that was the last time I denied my heritage in Arab lands."
Indeed, what is the heritage of a white caucasian from Boise, Idaho who believes in Judaism? This is the typical mythological hook to grab real estate in the Middle East.
"Sure I'm Jewish, my mother is Jewish."
The other classic mythological hook. A tenet in the Jewish religion that for some reason the rest of the world believes, even though they're not Jewish. Sort of similar to the 'one drop' blood laws in the US to determine who is not white.
I could go on, but this is an essay or article that wouldn't get a passing grade in Freshman Composition. Hoffman's "journalistic mind" is confused in more than one way. This is precisely the kind 'journalistic writing' that has earned journalism its sterling reputation in the past 20 or so years: solid writing skills, impeccable research, a command of the language, and logical consistency.
All of it BOGUS!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Dec 5, 2006 10:12 AM
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However, for those who want to now the actual details about the situation in the Middle East, look to authors like Robert Fisk (general rule of thumb - the more truth you tell, the more people you piss off - and since Fisk is roundly condemned, he's worth listening to).
For example:
Like Hitler and Brezhnev, Bush is in denial
A French colonial legacy of despair
'I think there are enough weapons for the next war'
Gemayel's mourners know that in Lebanon nothing is what it seems
Lebanon is like America, in many ways - a multicultural society where nothing is as it seems.
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Posted by: Lord Ichmael on Dec 5, 2006 12:23 PM
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While I don't really support Hezbollah; or any group involved in the Arab-Israeli conflict, I think its resistance (and also the insurgency in Iraq), though not all of its actions, is justified by the occupation and abductings of thousands of Lebanese civilians (called "arrests" by the US media) that Israel has and is doing. Hezbollah, in response to Israel's seizing several thousand innocent Lebanese citizens, seized two Israeli soldiers. That gave Israel its excuse to attempt to steamroller Lebanon like it does usually to most other countries around it, but this time it failed.
Yes, Hezbollah has killed a fair amount of Israeli civilians (which it believes to be justifed) (and that's why I don't support it), but as British politician George Galloway noted, the amount of civilians killed by Hezbollah is about a thirtieth of the innocent deaths in Lebanon that Israel has caused. Also, Hezbollah was among the governments and groups within the Arab-Islamic world that condemned Al-Qaeda's 9/11 killings, and its leader, Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, stated, "What do the people who worked in those two [World Trade Center] towers, along with thousands of employees, women and men, have to do with war that is taking place in the Middle East? Or the war that Mr. George Bush may wage on people in the Islamic world? ... Therefore we condemned this act -- and any similar act we condemn. ... I said nothing about the Pentagon, meaning we remain silent. We neither favored nor opposed that act .... Well, of course, the method of Osama bin Laden, and the fashion of bin Laden, we do not endorse them. And many of the operations that they have carried out, we condemned them very clearly." Hmm... seems he either didn't have an opinion on the Pentagon attack, or might have approved it but didn't want to say so. I've heard rumors that Hezbollah has ties to Al-Qaeda, but from what I've read I'm almost certain those are false. Al-Qaeda's status as a terrorist organization is indisputable, but I don't think Hezbollah qualifies for such a term.
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» My "nonsense" in this thread began with me dismissing the popularity of Hizbollah with Christians.
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My praise goes out to Hoffman for writing this essay.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Dec 5, 2006 6:06 PM
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That pales in comparison to the reports of nuclear fission products in Israeli bombs however. This take a little explaining. To run a nuclear reactor, you need to take naturally occuring uranium, a mixture of the isotopes U-235 and U-238, and refine the uranium from 0.7% U-235 to around 3% U235. The leftover U238 is the infamous 'depleted uranium' that was widely used by US forces in Iraq (to make a uranium bomb it needs to be enriched to a far greater extent, something like 80% U235).
Now, if you use the enriched uranium in a nuclear power plant, numerous fission and 'neutron capture' products are formed (including plutonium, a raw material for nuclear weapons) - thus, anyone who is running a nuclear power plant can eventually accumulate enough plutonium for a nuclear weapon - some reactors do this far faster then others. Disposing of this waste is impossible and is a damning argument against nuclear power.
Apparently, what Israel did is put this spent nuclear waste in bombs and use it against civilian targets. It seems to me that any member of the Jewish faith has a moral responsibility to stand up and denounce Israel for such incredibly insane actions. I mean, this is a war crime by any stretch of the imagination - and the US media barely touched this. It's at least as bad as anything Saddam did, and if he is hung then the leader of Israel (Ehud Olmert) and the generals of the IDF Air Force should also be hung.
Having said that, Hezbollah's idiotic cheerleading for war is of no benefit to anyone; the claim that they 'won' the war ignores the fact that they stupidly provided an excuse for Israel to kill at least 1,000 people and shower Lebanon with cluster bombs and nuclear-based weaponry. Bush and Rumsfeld and Rice are also responsible, as they could have ordered Israel to halt the assault at any moment. There are still sick people who rejoice when war breaks out - that's the ugly fact behind the whole Mideast conflict.
The issue of Israel's use of radioactive nuclear waste as a munition deserves far more attention; it is a monstrous action that reveals the perverse mentality of Israeli war planners.
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The biggest use or depleted uranium is in armor piercing ammo, due to its high mass. Virtually all armies use it.
Hizzballah is dedicated to Israel's distruction. If the Lebanese government allows them to operate independently, they can expect a massive retaliation. I'm surprised the Israelis held back. Civilians can expect more war and destruction if they allow militias to operate in their neighborhoods. The Israelis aren't going away, and the Arabs are doomed if they don't accept this fact. Thery are not going to get back all the land that was taken in the '67 war. The Israelis will never trust the Arabs enough to give them strategic turf like the Golan. Why should they put their population at risk? To show they are reasonable?
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 7, 2006 2:15 PM
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I did NOT meet any terrorists!
I have lived in-and reported from the occupied Palestinian territories since June 2005.
If you are ready to WAKE UP:
The Truth is out there:
WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Opednews.com:
http://www.opednews.com/author/author1112.html
http://www.opednews.com/author/author1112.html?entry=diary
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