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Iraq Study Group Offers No Real Plan for Withdrawal
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In fact, in the media, as in the counsels of James A. Baker's Iraq Study Group, withdrawal without an adjective or qualifying descriptor never arrived as a "viable option." In fact, withdrawal, aka "cut and run," has never been more than a passing foil, one useful "extreme" guaranteed to make the consensus-to-come more comforting.
On Wednesday, at the end of a gestation period nearly long enough to produce a human baby, the Baker committee -- by now, according to the Washington Post's Robin Wright, practically "a parallel policy establishment" -- will hand over to the President its eagerly anticipated "consensus" report, its "compromise" plan that takes the "middle road," that occupies a piece of inside-the-Beltway "middle ground," and that will almost certainly be the policy equivalent of a still birth.
Whatever satisfaction it briefly offers, it might as well be sent directly to the Baghdad morgue. At a length of perhaps 100 pages, evidently calling for an "aggressive" diplomatic engagement with neighboring Iran and Syria -- even unofficial American officials advocating diplomacy just can't seem to avoid some form of "aggression" -- it will also, Washington Post reporters Wright and Thomas Ricks assure us, call for "a major withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq" (no timetables, naturally).
It will evidently suggest the following: Talk to those hostile neighbors; "embed" swarms of still-to-be-trained military advisors with Iraqi troops where, so far, they have had little luck except in generating scads of complaints; pull out (or back into our massive Iraqi bases) American "combat forces," except for those slated to be part of an in-country "rapid reaction force," not to speak of all those American trainers and logistics experts; and accomplish this by perhaps early 2008.
All of this will be termed a "short" period of time to change U.S. policy and the path to be headed down will be labeled "phased withdrawal" or the beginning of an "exit strategy." Oh, and while we're at it, make sure to suggest that we embed many of those "redeployed" troops just "over the horizon," probably in Kuwait and some set of small Gulf states, where they can theoretically strike at will in Iraq if the government and military we plan to "stabilize" there turns out to be endangered (as, of course, it will be).
Put in a nutshell, the Iraq Study Group plan -- should it ever be put into effect -- might accomplish the following: As a start, it would in no way affect our essential network of monumental permanent bases in Iraq (where, many billions of dollars later, concrete is still being poured); it would leave many less "combat" troops but many more "advisors" in-country to "stand up" the Iraqi Army (tactics already tried, at the cost of many billions of dollars, and just about sure to fail); many more American troops will find themselves either imprisoned on those vast bases of ours in Iraq or on similar installations in the "neighborhood" where they are likely to bring so many of our problems with them. And those aggressive chats with the neighbors, whose influence in Iraq is overestimated in any case, are unlikely to proceed terribly well because the Bush administration will arrive at the bargaining table, if at all, with so little to offer (except lectures).
All of this should ensure that, well into 2008, at least 70,000 American military personnel will still be in Iraq, after which, in the midst of a presidential election season, will actual withdrawal finally appear on some horizon? In other words, the Baker Commission plan guarantees us at least another 3-5 years in Iraq.
And, oh yes, here's something else no one is likely mention. Those Americans left behind after the phased withdrawers head for the horizon will surely be more vulnerable, which means, as in Vietnam during the Vietnamization years, the ratcheting up of American air power and far more sentences in news reports that read like this: "Two Apache helicopters firing anti-missile flares swooped over Fadhil neighborhood, a Sunni insurgent stronghold in one of the oldest parts of the capital, amid the slow thump of heavy machinegun fire, witnesses said."
And, oh yes, during this "short" period of perhaps 12-14 months when we are supposed to be phasing away, based on present casualty rates, perhaps another 40,000 to 60,000 Iraqi civilians will die horrific deaths as will at least modest numbers of young Americans, reminding us that the definitions of "short," "remarkable consensus," and "horizon" -- after all, your horizon may be someone else's home -- are in the eye of the beholder. And just one more thing: all this will be directed out of the largest embassy in the world, a vast, nearly complete, nearly billion dollar complex set in the heart of Baghdad's Green Zone and armed with its own anti-missile system, which no "exit" strategy on any table in any foreseeable future is likely to mention.
Talk about a plan being DOA, when it comes to changing policy, even before an adamant president has the chance to consider how to reject some of its essential parts! After all those endless months, this, it seems, is the best the present generation of Washington "wise men" (and one woman) can actually deliver. I think I can guarantee that, with eight months and a giant staff of experts at your beck and call, you and a small group of your neighbors -- with no ties to Washington, a cursory knowledge of our 1,347-plus days already embedded in Iraq, and... no, let's say with just eight days, or maybe eight minutes -- could have come up with a plan at least this hopeless.
While the Iraqis were experiencing an actual civil war, combined with an actual insurgency, combined with actual American attacks from the air and the ground on actual city neighborhoods, combined with actual terrorist attacks, combined with actual widespread criminal activity, combined with the actual collapse of their economy, combined with the actual non-delivery of essential social services, combined with the actual flight of whole populations from ethnically cleansed or simply half-destroyed neighborhoods, combined with actual staggering death tolls, the American media and White House officialdom have passed through their own maelstrom over whether or not to apply the term "civil war" to the Iraqi situation. NBC and the Los Angeles Times have finally voted "yes"; others are waffling; the administration continues to deny that the "sectarian violence" in Iraq could possibly be a "civil war," which is evidently imagined inside the Oval Office as nothing short of Armageddon itself.
While the media, politicians, and administration spokesmen fight over how exactly to characterize the mountains of dead Iraqis, the urban killing fields where militias now deposit tortured and murdered former human beings, and the stuffed morgues of Iraq's cities, there are perhaps a few other words and phrases passing around Washington that might be reconsidered.
Let's start with "phased withdrawal." Withdrawal ("the act or process of withdrawing, a retreat or retirement") usually means sayonara, arrivederci, so long. And a "phase," of course, is a "stage." But put them together and, at least in the present collective Washingtonian imagination, we're still somehow embedded in Iraq the year after next with no actual plan for leaving in sight and none of our basic structures -- 5 or 6 bases the size of American towns and a goliath of an embassy -- in that country touched. Perhaps it's time to relabel this "option," something like "phased staying" or "phased permanency."
In turn, the Iraq Study Group's findings, which, as James Fallows recently noted, have been layered into our world these last weeks via "obviously authoritative leaks," might be relabeled "phased recommendations." They may not, however, faze George W. Bush, who has already responded (or perhaps presponded) by ordering two other sets of reviews to be conducted, ensuring that Washington will be flooded with recommendations. We face a veritable war of the recommendations. All of this is a classic case of Washington fiddling while Baghdad burns.
"Redeploy," according to my dictionary means to "move (military forces) from one combat zone to another." That may turn out to be all too correct, if redeployment, or "a responsible redeployment outside of Iraq," or even (gulp) "phased redeployment" turns out to be the order of the day. Redeploying to, say, various Gulf statelets and Kuwait, we may indeed take our combat zones with us, as we did in the early 1990s when, in the wake of Gulf War I, American troops were plunked down in sizeable numbers in Saudi Arabia. (Does the missing-in-action name Osama bin Laden come to anyone's mind?)
Don't confuse any of this, as often happens in the press, with an "exit strategy." An exit, my dictionary tells me, is "the act of going away or out; a passage or way out." Classically, critics have wondered whatever happened to Colin Powell's famed post-Vietnam dictum that no American war should be launched without its exit strategy in place. The answer was always that the Bush administration simply never imagined leaving Iraq. To a large extent, despite all the ado, this remains true even in Donald Rumsfeld's final, secret memo of options to the President.
So here's a small hint. You'll know something's in the air when some serious panel gets together to sort out our future strategy in Iraq, and you start regularly seeing "withdrawal" surface in the media without an adjective attached, or when you see any sober discussion of permanent bases, American air power, or oil.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 5, 2006 12:51 AM
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We will lose this war and we deserve to lose it. It was brought about against international law and opinion. The fact that this was the stupidest military blunder in American history was, from before day one, obvious to every thinking American - all twelve of us. The damage that this murderous, half-witted little thug has done to our once-great nation and the planet will be palpable a century and a half from now.
One thing is certain: the Dems now have the power of the supeona and they'll use it if they know what's good for them. 'Tis a wonderful thing, indeed, to behold this disgusting administration as it starts to implode before our very eyes. The rats are jumping from the sinking ship and they're starting to turn on themselves. Of this you can be sure: 2007 will be the most tumultuos political year since the eighteen sixties If you thought the Watergate era was fun - OH BROTHER! Hang on to your hats, kiddies!
Tom Degan
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 5, 2006 4:43 AM
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Why would the Congress give Mr. Bush more troops, money and time?
Because to withdraw would destroy the US Dollar as the world base currency. That would cause a world wide economic disaster, which would have huge consequences for world political power.
Bush and his advisors knew this before going into Iraq. And he knew the uninformed American people would be stuck with his self serving discisions for decades.
The Constitution needs an overhaul. The public must have more control over their elected representatives; and be informed more about the plans and piccadilos of our politicians.
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» I agree, they will fight tooth and nail to stay in Iraq, the agenda is too big to give it up!
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Posted by: billyboy43 on Dec 5, 2006 5:58 AM
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We can't let the new Democratic leadership sit back on their hands and refuse to take responsibility for the Iraq war. YOU can help send this message to Congress. Here's what to do:
- Call the Congressional Swithboard at 202.224.3121 and ask for the office of your Representative or Senators.
- Ask to talk to the foreign policy advisor. If he or she is not there, ask to leave a voicemail.
- Once you have them on the phone, use these talking points:
1. This election was about the Iraq war, and we want a change!
2. I insist that Congress act immediately to bring all U.S. troops home from Iraq NOW! This includes limiting funding ONLY to withdrawal.
3. The US needs to pursue regional diplomacy for Iraq's future. It is the only way that the Middle East can find a way out of the chaos the US has created.
4. Congress has the power to end the U.S. occupation in Iraq and if it fails to do so, we will hold them responsible for the continued violence in Iraq.
Please make 3 phone calls: to your Representative and to each of your Senators. Call the Capitol Switchboard TODAY at 202.224.3121 and help ensure that a withdrawal from Iraq will be a top priority!
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 5, 2006 6:13 AM
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» Impeach the bast*rd and you end the war. Will the dems do that??? No, they said they....
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Dec 5, 2006 6:14 AM
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Progressives would delight in this as it would confirm their predictions that Bush is evil, the repubs are devils etc..etc..
As far as withdrawing on a time table.. why on earth would we want to announce a timetable that would jeopardize our troops??? Does anyone have a logical answer? What purpose would it have?
As for Iran and Syria, the author says their part in Iraq is overestimated???.. I hesitate to suggest that he hasn’t done his research or maybe he is just spinning it “left” for the sake of the article. The Shia’s main leader now, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim was exiled in Iran during Saddam’s reign of terror.
He rose to power in Iran as the head of SCIRI's armed wing, the Badr Brigade - The Sunni's accused him that his party is behind of the hundreds of weekly killings.
Iran is predominately Shia. He’s back and so are his Iranian back insurgents. Hakim stated in his meeting with Bush that the US has to do more to stop the Sunni backed terrorist. Said differently Iran wants the US to finish destroying the Sunni’s , their old enemy, for them!
To suggest the Iran connection is overstated confirms the authors politically induced blindness.
Additionally, the administration was criticized for not rethinking the Iraq war, now the author is criticizing them for “over thinking” the war? Lets be realistic here. To just pull out will have disastrous implications for the US and our allies. It will embolden terrorism in my view. While we shouldn’t have gone in Iraq in the first place with ground forces, we better make sure we exit correctly.
This could have been an information filled article but instead, it is just another effort at "left" leaning misinformation
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» OUT NOW! - No other answer.
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» We are not trusted now as it is.... in fact, if we left, we could begin to rebuild that trust.
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» So by staying, we're doing Iran's bidding
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» RE: There never was an exit strategy
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Posted by: xenacat on Dec 5, 2006 7:18 AM
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» robmikejas, that is a perfect common sense suggestion so you know it won't happen......
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» Aaah, I wasn't talking about the "people", I was talking about our Beltway so called reps.....
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» Well, here is a better one...... "If you don't want to get eaten..
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Posted by: MAD on Dec 5, 2006 7:59 AM
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Well good luck with everything. Keep writing those menacing letters and emails to your Democratic leaders. Be sure to read each and every form letter or email you get in return lest you miss some important information. Who knows - you may be the one person who gets the classified letter of intent to withdrawal. LOL!! Be sure to keep voicing your disgust with your friends and spouses instead of getting off your asses and doing something. Better to let the Dems take their sweet time and end it sometime towards the end of this decade. Don't even consider blocking interstates and risk getting arrested for what you believe in - oh heavens no!! Don't even think about that. Don't do anything to embarrass yourselves like dissent and take action. Don't picket or boycott companies that are making a hefty profit. Don't organize boycotts of any kind. You all love to remind other readers how it's all about the $$$. Well if that's the case then hit 'em where it hurts . . .
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» Aaah a voice of sanity in the wilderness. Thank you, thank you , thank you!!!!!
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» There is one cure..... massive civil disobedience..... but that takes commitment and pain!!
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» January 27 - spread the word
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» Well, I hope that works..... however, the civil disobedience I am talking about is much different...
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» I didn't think so...............! Then don't wonder why they ignore us....... We aren't a threat!
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» As they wrecked Iraq, they are also wrecking the US.
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» Well, ALL SLAVERY IS VOLUNTARY!!!!!! So what is anyone suggesting we do about it???
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Posted by: MAD on Dec 5, 2006 9:30 AM
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US troops withdraw to heavily fortified bases that are under construction as we speak. You know . . . the bases with fast-food restaurants and and swimming pools - in the desert! Anyway, look for most troops to retreat back to those bases (coincidentally located near oil fields I'm sure) so they can safely take in "the show". The show in this case being the all out bloodbath that will ensue once all remnants of military order (if that's not an oxy-moron I don't know what is) have vanished from the streets of Fallujah, Baghdad, Ramadi, Basra, etc. Look for this to continue for a couple years with reinforcements pouring in to fight an Islamic proxy war in Iraq.
Expect American hired guns like Blackwater Thugs, Inc. to venture out for the occasional death squad mass killing should there ever be an actual lull in the violence. Maybe blow up a sacrd Sunni mosque or something along those lines. Anything to facilitate the sectarian slaughter.
Now comes the big decision. The EU, Russia and China along with the rest of the world players will be watching in horror as blood flows in the streets. The MSM plays it up or buries the extent of the violence for reasons I'll explain below. Now, one of two things happens. The US waits for a weakend Iraq to reassert authority over the country or the international community sends in a multi-national force to end the bloodshed. With the MSM hamming it up, a multi-national force arrives that much quicker. With the story buried, the US waits it out and tries to reassert control, again, going it alone. Iran and Syria certainly factor greatly into this scenario but to what degree I am unsure. I expect that the US might even encourage Shi'ites to enter the fray while simultaneously arming Sunnis. Who knows. In any event, a country racked by years of civil war may be brought to heel more easily by the US or a multi-national force.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Dec 5, 2006 10:34 AM
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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2029238.ece
"Robert Fisk: Like Hitler and Brezhnev, Bush is in denial
Published: 01 December 2006
More than half a million deaths, an army trapped in the largest military debacle since Vietnam, a Middle East policy already buried in the sands of Mesopotamia - and still George W Bush is in denial. How does he do it? How does he persuade himself - as he apparently did in Amman yesterday - that the United States will stay in Iraq "until the job is complete"? The "job" - Washington's project to reshape the Middle East in its own and Israel's image - is long dead, its very neoconservative originators disavowing their hopeless political aims and blaming Bush, along with the Iraqis of course, for their disaster.
History's "deniers" are many - and all subject to the same folly: faced with overwhelming evidence of catastrophe, they take refuge in fantasy, dismissing evidence of collapse as a symptom of some short-term setback, clinging to the idea that as long as their generals promise victory - or because they have themselves so often promised victory - that fate will be kind. George W Bush - or Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara for that matter - need not feel alone. The Middle East has produced these fantasists by the bucketful over past decades."
Let me also point out that the real issue that Baker and Rice obsess over is how they are going to maintain their grip over Iraq's oil reserves. The corporate media won't touch this topic; even Fisk and Engelhardt (who are great writers, don't get me wrong) shy away from the primary importance of the oil issue (though Joshua Holland did tackle it at http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045/.) That's the fundamental difference between Vietnam and Iraq - the oil, and the fact that global oil supplies are getting very tight. Otherwise, the Iraq-Vietnam comparison is very valid. If you look at a map of Iraq's oil fields and refineries, and the location of the 'permanent miltary bases' - surprise, surprise, they're right on top of each other.
For the real skinny, you've got to hop over to Asia:
Saudi-Iran tension fuels wider conflict
By Kaveh L Afrasiabi
and
Japan energy: Goodbye Iran, hello Iraq
By Hisane Masaki
If it it weren't for the internet...for heaven's sake, let's preserve net neutrality.
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» DON'T FORGET THE BANKERS, THEY GOT 19.5 BILLION IN GOLD BULLION from Iraq.
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Posted by: TheStranger on Dec 5, 2006 1:34 PM
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Fix-Master Baker knew he didn’t have to present a winning case in 2000 – not with five Republicans on the Supreme Court. He just needed to construct one that was sufficiently plausible so they could get away with calling Florida for the guy who lost Florida as well as the national popular vote by a margin of 530,000.
Baker spat out just enough lawyer-speak to give the Gang of Five their excuse, landing the most egregious blow to our democracy since the Dred Scott decision. If roles were reversed, if Baker had an actual winning hand instead of the bluffing cards he used to get the victory, it wouldn’t have taken him an entire month. Swindles are more complicated and take more work than honest business.
Back to Gates. At least two CIA whistle-blowers told Congress under oath that he’d doctored intelligence under orders from the secret society within the Administration that got Reagan re-elected while he was already debilitated from Alzheimer’s. The group then ran the government for him. Baker, first White House Chief of Staff and later Treasury Secretary when he switched jobs with Donald Regan, was a key member of this collective presidency to whom Gates gave his allegiance.
Under oath, Gates, desperate to run the spy agency, denied conversations during which he defended presenting false intelligence for political purposes. With Nixon's old tape recorder in a museum somewhere, he got away with it -- just barely.
Gates took a giant step forward when he conceded today that the U.S. is not winning the Iraq War, and Anybody But Rumsfeld makes a kind of sense. But he also made it clear to anyone really listening that he doesn't have the imagination to exit, which is a death sentence to a lot of troops there now and the ones he'll feed into a pointless grinder during the next two years. It would be a mistake to buy a used car from either this devious ward heeler or co-conspirator and Fixer-in-Chief Baker.
From Digging Deeper, by Ivan G. Goldman
http://ivangoldman.blogspot.com/
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Dec 5, 2006 3:15 PM
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It's all about the money!
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Posted by: Hal on Dec 5, 2006 4:08 PM
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After a 911 false-flag attack, the plan was simple enough. As Colin Powell as much as said – the idea going in was to “break” Iraq so that a corporate crime state that rules a whorehouse Washington and MSM could “own” it.
This would be accomplished thru a trumped up Orwellian “war on terror” without end.
Put another way, Iraq War Inc. is a key part of a divide and conquest scheme for the Mid East and Eurasian theatres decades and more in the planning.
The Hamilton-Baker mob (emphasis on Baker) is part of the same crew that foisted 911 cover-up and its arrantly bogus “war on terror” at public cost for private greed.
Global village idiot GW Bush and primary Iraq War planner “neo-con” Paul Wolfowitz were chosen to front the “bad cop” end of the plan.
Now it’s all bad theatre as we get the first “good cop” in a Hamilton-Baker mob to rescue BushCo’s “bad cop” (a Democratic flunky regime in ’08 fronted by someone like oligarch shill Barak Obama will be the next bogus “good cop”).
But James Baker’s “good cop” routine to puppet boy GW Bush’s “bad cop” is a transparent farce. As it turns out Baker is at least as dirty. Aside from Baker’s corrupt BushCo Big Oil and cartel banking hooks, he was lead council in defending the House of Saud against the 911 families.
This is the same House of Saud that offered up its favorite CIA son Osama Bin Laden (CIA asset codename Tim Osman) to play out his final act from Dubai in 2000 where CIA handlers wound up old Timmy as a shill for a false-flag 911 op. This is also the same House of Saud in bed with every corporate snake from DC to London. And the same House of Saud that financed CIA created Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood for going on a billion dollars.
To recap: the plan from decades before the unanimously Senate passed neo-con “Iraq Liberation Act” of 1998 was to install a series of puppet garrison states from Iraq to Afghanistan as beachheads to dominate the greater region for an oligarch ruled corporate crime state. There will be no real deviation from the original plan. Any pretense of a plan change will be a red herring.
So, there are virtually no “good cops” here. They are dirty as the cartel system they flog. And in a core sense, these are the acts of a blood money Vampire State. One with less than no interest in real democracy or free market capitalism that are pumped as empty slogans from MSM to Washington carnival barkers.
Quotes worth repetition:
“LET’S LOOK AT IT SIMPLY. THE MOST IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NORTH KOREA AND IRAQ IS THAT ECONOMICALLY, WE JUST HAD NO CHOICE IN [INVADING AND CONQUERING] IRAQ. THE COUNTRY SWIMS ON A SEA OF OIL.”
PAUL WOLFOWITZ (“neo-con” US Deputy Defense Secretary and chief architect of the Iraq War in effect admitting “war on terror” was fought over Big Oil factors. He gave this response to a question as to why the U.S. made war on Iraq and not North Korea, a country that is developing nuclear weapons of mass destruction. Quoted from a talk to an Asian security summit in Singapore 5/ 31/03)
“OIL IS MUCH TOO IMPORTANT A COMMODITY TO BE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE ARABS.”
“MILITARY MEN ARE JUST DUMB, STUPID, ANIMALS TO BE USED AS PAWNS IN FOREIGN POLICY.”
HENRY KISSINGER (ex American Secretary of State as a member of the Trilateral Commission & Bilderberger Group. Henry Kissinger appointed Paul Bremer to oversee the conquest and occupation of Iraq on 5/6/2003. Living. Quotes 1991 & 1990)
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Dec 5, 2006 4:43 PM
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After four years we can't secure the main highway from the capital to the airport. We can't lick the Taliban who are as resurgent and resilient as the Red Army in 1943. Just when you thought they were beaten....
Americans thought this latest crusade in the Middle Eastern sandbox would be a wild ride. We brought our picnic baskets and electronic devices to the "game". We plastered yellow ribbons on our vehicles, waved flags and see them march off to war to a place more than eight thousand miles away.
We saw them climb aboard ships ten stories high, armed to the teeth. We cloaked ourselves in patriotism and arrogance.
It was a fascinating display of bombs bursting in air, men fighting blinding sandstorms, and routing the outmanned Iraqi army.
Now reality has set in. We've grown tired of the war. At times it's not even front page news or lead evening newscasts. We went shopping after Thanksgiving than to pay attention to the incredible carnage in Iraq. People fought and jostled in line to get the latest PS3 or whatever electronic gizmo offered on the market. Egads...
Let's hope we can find an exit off this war road before we ruin ourselves further. The war crusade has long ceased being a joy ride.
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» Simply.... we in the west have NEVER beaten the middle east countries in any war......
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Posted by: RobertGoard on Dec 6, 2006 5:17 AM
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This is their country, shouldn’t they decide?
We sent our troops into Iraq; we sacrificed American lives specifically to bring democracy to this troubled land, and to allow the voice of the Iraqi people to be freely heard. Iraq is still not a democracy. We have still not given the people of Iraq a real chance to be heard, a real chance to vote on anything significant. Voting for a government that can’t quite govern and doesn’t quite represent the people amounts to not quite voting. The nation of Iraq is at war with itself over issues that can be decided by a real vote.
The people of Iraq are still not free and they will not be free until THEY decided by referendum if American troops stay or go. It then will be and it then can be up to the Iraqi people to decide if democracy is to endure.
Isn’t it time to at least try a little democracy? It was always our plan to leave Iraq. Shouldn’t we seize this opportunity to stop the bloodshed and leave with honor, whether or not we are asked to stay a bit longer?
We say NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF DEMOCRACY!
Learn more at http://iraqvotes.com/
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» Yeah, there is irony here...... we say we invaded to "bring" democracy...... and yet....
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Posted by: conductor274 on Dec 6, 2006 2:57 PM
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Iraqi oil is considered the lightest, sweetest and least expensive to produce in the world. Estimates are it can be produced for about $1.50 a barrel and that includes exploration, oil field development and production. Iraq is also considered to have the largest amount of oil of any country in the world.
The troops have done their job. The oil has been secured for the US. Time to go home and only leave enough planes at the air bases to ensure it's production.
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» Not that simple.... don't forget oil production occurs on the ground!
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Dec 7, 2006 5:31 PM
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I thank you for this diagnosis of a dire situation. I agree; the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group report do not provide for a "graceful exit." Surprising to me, I concur with Bush, there will be no "willowy withdrawal." However, I think the notion is flawed. A nation or a "leader" cannot gracefully exit, after they bumble and stumble their way into a situation. An egress is as an entrance; one reflects the other.
I think the report was lacking, though I expected that. Nevertheless, for me, the study did cast one shining light. The idea of "talk" was mentioned repeatedly.
As I assess every aspect of my life, or evaluate history, I am continually reminded; there is power in calm caring, communication.
I invite you to read my missive on the topic. Please share your thoughts; comment if you will. I welcome a dialogue. If only George W. Bush ever had, if only he would.
Iraq Study Group Asks, "When Will We Ever Learn To Talk?" ©
Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org or Be-Think
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