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The Futility of Drug Prohibition

By Kevin Zeese, Freedom's Phoenix. Posted December 13, 2006.


The government's war on drugs is never-ending. Instead of enforcing drug prohibition, we should be spending money on treatment and rehab.

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Since the recent death of economist Milton Friedman, I've been thinking about the times that my life crossed paths with his. I've got a photograph on my bookshelf of me with him at the conference of the Drug Policy Foundation in 1991. In that year we gave him our most prestigious award, a lifetime achievement award named in honor of noted philanthropist and Chicago commodities trader, Richard Dennis.

When we gave Dr. Friedman the award it was controversial. Many in the reform movement are liberal Democrats who are offended by Friedman's view that "the government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem." But, no doubt all in the drug policy reform movement would agree with that statement when it is applied to the government's never-ending war on drugs. As Friedman correctly said: "Most of the harm that comes from drugs is because they are illegal."

Indeed, Friedman came to the conclusion about the futility of drug prohibition early. When President Nixon started the modern war on drugs he wrote a column in Newsweek criticizing the policy. He warned that it would not reduce addiction but instead would promote crime and corruption repeating the mistake of alcohol prohibition. He concluded: "So long as large sums of money are involved-and they are bound to be if drugs are illegal-it is literally hopeless to expect to end the traffic or even to reduce seriously its scope. In drugs, as in other areas, persuasion and example are likely to be far more effective than the use of force to shape others in our image." See "Prohibition and Drugs."

In 1989 when drug czar Bill Bennet was escalating the drug war on behalf of President George H.W. Bush, Friedman wrote an open letter in the Wall Street Journal reminding him that the problems he was trying to combat were the made worse by prohibition. He warned that crack was a product of prohibition correctly pointing out "it was invented because the high cost of illegal drugs made it profitable to provide a cheaper version." He concluded the letter:

"Moreover, if even a small fraction of the money we now spend on trying to enforce drug prohibition were devoted to treatment and rehabilitation, in an atmosphere of compassion not punishment, the reduction in drug usage and in the harm done to the users could be dramatic.

"This plea comes from the bottom of my heart. Every friend of freedom, and I know you are one, must be as revolted as I am by the prospect of turning the United States into an armed camp, by the vision of jails filled with casual drug users and of an army of enforcers empowered to invade the liberty of citizens on slight evidence." See "An Open Letter to Bill Bennett," April 1990.

Friedman's view of the harms from drugs was not only the wasted money -- now about $1 billion per week -- but more so the destruction of inner cities, racially unfair incarceration, corruption of the police, wars in Colombia, Mexico and other countries that cost thousands of lives and the corruption of foreign economies as well as our own. The drug war has spurred the largest prison system in history with more than 2 million behind bars -- one in four of the world's prisoners residing in the land of the free. As Friedman pointed out: "Had drugs been decriminalized, crack would never have been invented and there would today be fewer addicts... The ghettos would not be drug-and-crime-infested no-man's lands... Colombia, Bolivia and Peru would not be suffering from narco-terror, and we would not be distorting our foreign policy because of it."

When Friedman gave his key note address at the Drug Policy Foundation conference in 1991 he did not limit his talk to drug policy. He put forward a wider ranging analysis that covered a host of issues -- schools, housing, medical care and the post office. Of course, this just added to the controversy around his nomination. But it was an opportunity to hear a perspective that no doubt held important truths on the limits and fallibility of government -- truths that could lead to more sensible approaches whether you completely agreed with Friedman or not. (You can read a transcript of his speech and the questions and answers here.

Friedman also appeared on a television show we produced, America's Drug Forum, and I crossed paths with him at two conferences at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and with Arnold Trebach edited a book on the writings of him and psychiatrist Thomas Szasz. He always put forward a clear vision and persistent attitude. Indeed, his persistence is something all advocates can learn from -- he went from being ignored and shunned to winning the nobel prize for economics and being an adviser to presidents. His life should give all of us hope that change is possible, indeed it is inevitable, and if we persist change will move in our direction.

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Kevin Zeese is president of Common Sense for Drug Policy. Many of his writings are included in The Schaeffer Library of Drug Policy.

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Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 13, 2006 12:55 AM   
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The irrational use of drugs is only increased by the irrational violence governments use to punish and suppress. As a total nonuser of harmful drugs it is easy for me to see that there is more harm caused by men armed with suppression and guns and jails and fantasies than is caused by men armed with reason, compassion, reality and treatment. Be armed with reality and safety instead of being armed with violence and fantasy.

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» A perfectly rational reaction. Posted by: YogiBear
Please pass the bong, boomers
Posted by: eddie torres on Dec 13, 2006 1:32 AM   
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Dying to see the financial linkage between the 1972 Milton Friedman article and the "$1 billion per week" now wasted on the drug war. Perhaps the NORML crowd can spend the next 30 years crunching those numbers. If they don't forget where they put their typewriters first.

LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) at least offers some concrete policy experience and conservative credibility to the drugs issue.

And yes, money really is wasted on the drug wars. But don't take a moral stance on this issue - addicts are as good as free-fire-zone-targets in GWB's Amerika.

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» Addiction to failed policy Posted by: eddie torres
» RE: Addiction to failed policy Posted by: Chris420
Friedman's points are not all correct
Posted by: cmd on Dec 13, 2006 3:21 AM   
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Crack was invented because the drug smugglers were too good for their market and too much cocaine was flooding into the US. In order to find a way to sell all of their extra product, the dealers made a cheaper form, crack. Crack was not a response to government restrictions, it was a response to too much supply for the demand.

I think that drug offenders, especially when those offenses are not part of a violent crime, should be sent to rehab instead of prison, however, making drugs legal only makes them more accessable. Look at commonly used drugs like tobacco and alcohol. As someone who has a family history of substance abuse, I've seen far to many lives torn apart by drugs to want more of them legalized. The fact that the drugs are illegal isn't the problem, the way that it is inforced is the problem.

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we all want to get back to The Garden
Posted by: wawa on Dec 13, 2006 3:46 AM   
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Chemical substances open the windows in our mind that are also opened by deep meditation/contemplation.

It is a spiritual thirst and hunger that fuels addiction, for we all really just want to get back to The Garden.

My first book:
"KEEP HOPE ALIVE" has six fictional characters that interact with actual people -but the six fictional characters all represent six different ways to get back to The Garden.

Two of them are:

Jack Hunt who found his way through weakness, addiction and then service to others.

Brother Harold, a theologian lush who is never without his Crown Royal.

All Good 2U,
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http://www.wearewideawake.org

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What will legalisation achieve?
Posted by: colinmeister on Dec 13, 2006 4:20 AM   
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If one is addicted to drugs, it is hard to find a legal way to live. Pre-emplyment drug screening ensures that addicts, and even some casual users, are locked out of the workforce. The saying is, I believe, "You deal or you steal". Of course, in the case of women, there is a third way - prostitution.

If drugs are legalised and sold over the counter at drug stores, the crimes of drug posession and dealing will no longer put people in gaol, but the crimes of theft, burglary, and prostitution to generate an income to feed drug habits will put the addicts in prison instead.

Alcoholism is still a problem in the USA many years after prohibition ended - city streets are full of bums and pan handling alcoholics. Legalising drugs may be nice for the occasional user who wants to buy a small bag of weed, but it won't help with the larger social problem of addiction.

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» Instead? Posted by: YogiBear
Comparing coca leaf to cocaine is like comparing a grape to wine...
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Dec 13, 2006 4:24 AM   
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I live near the salt water. Last summer, I went to Peru. As soon as I stepped off the plane in the Andes highlands, I was felled by high-altitude sickness for 36 hours.
The only thing that saved me from having to fly back to the coast or have a doctor come to my roon with oxygen was coca leaf tea. I drank it every few hours until I adjusted to the altitude. When I took a 5-hour bus ride on mountainous roads, the buses stopped every 1.5 hours at stands that served coca tea. It is served in all the hotels and restaurants.
I was so ashamed to come from a country that invades the airspace of Peru and other South American countries and sprays poison to eradicate this plant that has been used for thousands of years for health reasons. This, just because the infantile brains that make up the money-wasting war on drugs can't think of anything better to waste our dollars on.
Comparing coca leaf to cocaine is like comparing a grape to wine. Coca leaf has to go through a special process to be converted to cocaine, just like grapes do for wine. Many Muslim countries ban alcohol. Do they follow a grape-spraying program on the soil of other countries?
Everyone admits the war on drugs is a complete waste of money. Cocaine is purer and cheaper now than it was at the beginning of the "war". The mental midgets at the ONDCP and the DEA should be fired for continuing to throw our money away. Both agencies should be disbanded entirely. They are useless. Money should be put into prevention and rehabilitation. Let sovereign states alone! It is up to us to deal with the problem.

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Friedman, Pinochet and Kirkpatrick together at last!
Posted by: Izzy Stoner on Dec 13, 2006 5:47 AM   
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Milton Friedman preached liberty, but he worked with murderous fascists. How many Chileans paid with their lives so he could have an economic laboratory to test his "free" market principles? He's the Josef Mengele of economics. If he's not in hell, then he's certainly doing a stint in Purgatory to pay for his sins.

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Legalization, treatment, and meaning
Posted by: BeeGee on Dec 13, 2006 6:22 AM   
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As I see it, the antidote to our current situation is three-pronged:

Decriminalize drug use, production, and merchandising.

Treat those who are currently addicted.

Change society so that there is a more equal distribution of wealth coupled with education on changing values from consumerism and fandom to more meaningful pursuits such as creating and enjoying art, music, theater, literature, poetry and even actually participating in sports.

Even today, we could all be alcoholics except some of us -- even with genetic predisposition to drinking -- have found meaning in other activities. The same can be true of drugs if society offers more meaningful alternatives to addictions and encourages its citizens to participate in them.

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Marshall Plan for Addiction
Posted by: jmooney on Dec 13, 2006 7:07 AM   
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We need a Marshall Plan to combat addiction, not drugs. Drugs are a symptom of a disease or, if you don't like that word, disorder or, if you don't like that word, dysfunction. Some of that of course is caused by family dysfunctionality in the lives of young people and some is caused by negative societal influences. Our society sure seems to be a fertile breeding ground for addiction.

I've said it before and I will say it again, I am not an anti-12 stepper. Many people, including me, have benefited by participation in those programs. However, according to their own statistics, they aren't all that effective for most people. That may well be because of the nature of addiction rather than the nature of the 12-step movement. Regardless, we must press on to find more scientifically-based and psychologically-based ways of addressing addiction.

Every so often we read about new initiatives to treat addiction. Scientists are obviously looking into it. As Friedman said, government isn't the answer to everything, but government can direct more funding toward such initiatives. Yes, if we could move a portion of what we spend on jailing sick addicts and designate it for treatment, particularly investigation into new treatment modalities, we could make some progress. We can't arrest our way out of drug abuse and/or addiction. Most addicts go to prison and become more dysfunctional in that environment. Of course, some do learn their lesson in prison and seek help and get better. I know a few such people. But I think prison, for the most part, isn't a real solid treatment modality.

If we diverted incarceration money to treatment but just pipe it into the same old 12-step centers I'm not so sure that will make a big difference. But if we invested in new scientific, anti-addiction initiatives, provided more options for addicts such as treatment centers that offer less religious-like alternatives such as Secular Organizations for Sobriety, Women for Sobriety, Life Ring, etc., we might increase the odds for people in recovery and pull the addiction treatment industry into the 21st century. In recovery, as in most of life, one size doesn't necessarily fit all. We need to provide a menu of options for people seeking recovery. Seek new pharmaceutical and talk therapy initiatives. Become open to new ideas. Some of the old timers in AA believe that all one needs is to read that 1930s era text they have (The Big Book) and all your troubles will be solved. That just doesn't hold water.

So, yes, let's change our way of doing things. Stop trying to arrest ourselves our of our drug problem. Address the root causes. Give modern science and psychiatry big bucks to seek out new solutions to this old plague.

It is reported by AA itself that less than 10 percent of those who come into the rooms actually attain a durable recovery. AA largely blames the addict (or, the alcoholic, they are also big on semantics!). Rather than blaming the 12-step movement or the addict, let's just blame the nature of the disease (disorder, dysfunction, whatever) and work together to find solutions. A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. If one can't get better in the 12-step fellowships, let's provide some other alternatives to go along with 12 step groups or in lieu of them, whatever it takes.

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Common Sense????No Way
Posted by: picket on Dec 13, 2006 7:16 AM   
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....Big Pharma, Criminal Injustice System, Alcohol and Tobacco, Prison Industrial Complex, Big Banks.. Underworld of the Untaxed there is just too much $$$$$$$$$$ for Prohibition. Money talks.....no news there!

Down in South Carolina a couple died in a swamp because Officials did not search the area described by a passing motorist as an accident. Under similar circumstances if a motorist reported seeing a small patch of "weed" or the smell of Cannabis the DRUG TASK FORCE would be out in a flash. There is $$$$$$$ in confiscating cars, cash and other valuables, of many innocent victims. Just a comparison, I do not mean to put down officials who are just , honest and working hard for the common good of mankind.

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» RE: Common Sense????No Way Posted by: jmooney
» RE: Common Sense????No Way Posted by: purplelotus13
» RE: Common Sense????No Way Posted by: aussidawg
People In Pain....
Posted by: picket on Dec 13, 2006 7:40 AM   
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are they addicts? Are they dysfunctional criminals? Richard Paey is a victim of botched surgery following an accident. He is wheelchair bound and on a morphine pump in a Florida prison doing 25 years to life. His crime less than what Rush Limbaugh did re prescription medication.

There is a movement to urge outgoing Gov Jeb Bush to commute Richard Paey's cruel and unusual prison sentence....call 1-850-488-7146. Will Richard Paey be home to his wife and three children in time for Christmas? The request and more info is posted on Drug Policy Alliance.

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» RE: People In Pain.... Posted by: aussidawg
Slaves to the Morality of Others
Posted by: RobertFrancis on Dec 13, 2006 8:33 AM   
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Drug prohibition and other consensual crime laws make all of us slaves to the morality of others.

These issues are personal moral issues, often influenced by religion.

When uppity politicians pass laws that prohibit consensual crimes they are treating the entire population as if we are their children, not adults.

If we are not hurting someone physically or hurting their property, without their consent, what is the problem?

Its called Personal Responsibility.

Its time we as a people demand to be treated as responsible adults and no longer allow our government to treat us as children.

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SLAVE LABOR CAMPS...
Posted by: ignition on Dec 13, 2006 9:35 AM   
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...prison labor needs are what fuels the war on drugs. The fact that the USA has the highest rates of incarceration and use of prison labor is no accident. What better way to staff your labor needs than with the drug war? That's where the real story on this issue is, not the CIA running drugs or the banks running the proceeds.

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Favorite Drug War Quote
Posted by: YinRising on Dec 13, 2006 9:58 AM   
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"The Drug War isn't so much about stopping drugs or drug abuse, it's about making sure all the drugs are coming from the RIGHT people."

DML

http://pot.tv/archive/series/pottvseries-12-0.html

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» My favorite was always... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
No vested interest in legalization . . . quite the contrary
Posted by: MAD on Dec 13, 2006 10:16 AM   
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Although the US Government is replete with incompetent half-wits, they do know exactly what they are doing as regards the intentionally bungled war on drugs(TM). In this case, doing the right thing and doing what enriches them [politicos, businessmen] are mutually exclusive endeavors.

This year's Afghani opium harvest was pushing (no pun intended) 6400+ tons. That's an historic high (ok, pun intended) and particularly interesting given the US occupation of that country. It should be noted that opium production has actually increased each year subsequent to the US occupation with 2001 marking the low-point in production at 185+ tons. Moreover, the amount of cocaina being smuggled out of countries like Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, and of course, Mexico is hardly diminshed despite hundreds of millions in "aid". The annual estimated street value of all illegal drugs comes in at just under $1 trillion. So what does this tell us?

1) The War on Drugs is having little or no impact on global production and distribution of drugs.

2) Illegality, not scarcity, is what drives up prices on drugs such as heroin, cocaina and even marijuana.

2) The global drug trade generates ENORMOUS sums of money that cannot be laundered through traditional means aka run through the Badda Bing Club. Fortune 500 companies are necessarily involved with the blessing of the Fed.

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We need a new drug
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 13, 2006 10:25 AM   
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Huey Lewis (and The News) was right. Can't big pharma come up with something as good as cocaine/heroin (depending on your personal likes) but without the possible physical side-effects or addicition issues? It would seem that with all the knowledge we have that some chemists could cook up something that the people would like but wouldn't be physically or mentally harmful. After all we need to drug the populace into a sense of false pleasure so that they will continue in their dead-end jobs and not recognise that their freedom and country have been taken from them, or given away, and that they live in a police state serving the whims of the uber-rich corporate internationalist bankers. Sports franchises and alcohol/tabacco are not enough for the modern man. We need a new drug to medicate us so we don't have to deal with the harsh reality.
ps: Friedman was also against the FED.

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» we had one.. Posted by: alterhead
» RE: we had one.. Posted by: albrechtkrausse
Controled By Fear
Posted by: revolutionary80 on Dec 13, 2006 11:54 AM   
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I have an uncurable disease and I smoke 2 bowls of pot a day to ease my pain... Does that make me a criminal? If so then I am prepared to serve time. The War on Drugs is always has been a joke, but for some reason no one can do anything about it. As long as the government is making a profit it will not change. Our society is controled by fear, think of how suburbia would react if tommorrow the headlines read "Drugs Are Legal Again". The word mass hysteria comes to mind, it's all because they are controled by fear. The sad conclusion is that they will never be legal in our lifetime not even marijuana, which has never claimed a life. (never)
The prison system along with the government are the one's reaping the rewards.

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» RE: Controled By Fear Posted by: revolutionary80
» RE: Controled By Fear Posted by: jmooney
» RE: Controled By Fear Posted by: MT512
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» RE: Controled By Fear Posted by: purplelotus13
Drug War Facts
Posted by: fanny666 on Dec 13, 2006 1:36 PM   
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This is a worthwhile resource...

PDF Format

Here's a place where the activist Left and the US libertarians should work together, though many libertarians (as the term is used in the US) would rather just legalize than shift focus from punishment to treatment.

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DRUGS OR MEDICINES?
Posted by: drricklippin on Dec 13, 2006 2:42 PM   
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My belief is if you really want to understand who is pushing drugs just examine the unscrupulous(at best) tactics of Big PhRMA- especially over the last 20 years.

Appended in my forecast from July of 2002 much of which regrettably has become manifest

“Major Trouble Ahead for Pharmaceutical firms”

1)Classical example of how greed and arrogance and the excesses of the free market takes something that is truly miraculous (life saving drugs/vaccines) and moves it to excess which then "backfires" See Teller -"When Technology Bites Back" or Dutton “ Worse Than The Disease"

2)Direct marketing to consumers on TV is a real debacle- the pharm companies come across as bone-fide drug pushers which they have become!

3)Science will show an increasing number of pharm products do more harm than good. They may be "efficacious" BUT THEY ARE NOT SAFE- grossly underestimated as contributing to cancer for example-see prempro story recently


4)Polypharmacy is running rampant- too many drugs for too many conditions in an individual- will get MUCH WORSE as naive boomers age and take more and more mixed meds

5)Psychotropics, analgesics and sedating antihistamines are contributing to serious safety problems on America’s highways and workplaces and who knows what other errors in judgment by leaders with this stuff swirling around their brains

6)Medications, especially psychotropics and analgesics are migrating in alarmingly large quantities to illicit market (eg. Oxycotin)


7)Yet politically, denying NEEDED drugs to elderly is hottest political issue going-another one is denying affordable drugs to millions dying of aids especially in Africa. So some populations are UNDERMEDICATED. Many in US are OVERMEDICATED

8)In high density populations there is the issue of ultimate ENVIRONMENTAL FATE in soil and water of human excreted medicines and/or their metabolites

9)Congressional Hearings ahead with tone of Tobacco and Asbestos

Richard A. Lippin, MD
Health Sector forecaster-July 2002

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Friedman Sounds Good But...
Posted by: hole11 on Dec 13, 2006 5:07 PM   
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Thomas Szasz is the man. Someone needs to stop the machinery of madness.

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one last word
Posted by: revolutionary80 on Dec 14, 2006 9:54 AM   
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I like what both you guys are saying and here is some points I would like to add about legalization (its a real debate and one our senators should be having) 1) some people would abuse the system(if its legal) 2) think of how many drug dealers would then have to go get a job and pay taxes that to me is reason enough 3) I think (keyword I think) that the use of drugs would go up right at first and then it would go down fast, alot of people do it because its illegal 4) some people are responsible users like myself I use pot and pills occasionaly for my condition (never do I expose pot to my daughter, I do not sell it, I do not use with other people) it's private 5) I have to go back to No.2 you put the drug dealers out of business 6) no more overcrowded jails (drug users often stay in prison longer than child molesters) thats sick and finally hard drugs (herion, and the likes) could be obtained only by prescription or in a controled setting of some kind like in Britain.... the debate is a worthwhile one it's just to bad the government is too worried about losing profit than thinking of our well being because to me nothing is scarier than "illegal drugs" because no one knows how they are made and whats in them... at least if they are legal they can be controled right now it's out of control

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I was reading a letter from my grandmother
Posted by: JBravoEcho11 on Dec 14, 2006 2:11 PM   
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It was written back in the 1940's (she talked about them catching Moussolini) and in there she talks about my grandpa and how she wishes they could move out of town because it has too many taverns. My grandpa would go straight to the taverns after work and drink and gamble half his paycheck away. I'm reading this to my mom and she goes, "It wouldn't matter if they moved back to town, he would have still gotten drunk every night." Same thing with the illegal drug problem. Just because it isn't available (the supposed goal of The War on Drugs) doesn't mean that people will stop doing them.

People are crazily inventive. Why are drugs available in the first place? Somebody that came much before myself and everyone else here probably noticed that drinking fermenting grains causes your legs to go all wobbly. Somebody noticed that eating a few particular buds makes you feel all tingly inside. They were man-made, (and for the orginals, not the completely man-made stuff) nature gave them to us for a reason. Regardless of your opinion of drugs and their usage, everyone with a little bit of logic has to disagree with the War on Drugs.

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What no one is talking about!
Posted by: Gazza126 on Dec 14, 2006 2:37 PM   
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Its interesting to notice what's not being mentioned.

Namely, what's already being done in other countries. No one has mentioned the Swiss heroin trials of a few years ago, nor Switzerland's decision, as a result of those trials, to make heroin available by doctor's prescription. The results, although predicted by the trials, have still surprised everybody.

Freed from the need to spend their days raising the money for an illegal hit to feed their habit, Swiss junkies are getting jobs - and holding them, renting homes - and paying the rent every week and most surising of all, once they are confident their heroin supply is assured, they have actually started reducing their daily dosages (presumably so they can still get high on weekends by supplementing their official supply with something illegal).

Also not mentioned is Portugal's bold move in treating all drug crimes as a medical problem rather than a criminal one.

You can read the details of Potugal's bold experiment here.

Although the jury is still out in the Portugal case, two things are clear: a) Portugese society has not fallen into chaos and disarray despite this radical move and b) the country has saved a small fortune by keeping (most of) its drug users out of jail.

Assuming Portugal persists with its bold experiment, it may find down the track that it has saved itself a lot of social problems by keeping a large slab of its population out of jail.

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cannabis legal in holland
Posted by: richholland on Dec 16, 2006 7:31 AM   
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since we can buy softdrugs in holland (netherlands) in special licensed shops;
1.less hard drugs addicts
2. no increase of soft drugs addicts.

Is it possible that the Rich use the war on drugs to control the honest and hardworking Americans???

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Seven Policies to Conquer Addiction in our Lifetime
Posted by: onthelevel on Dec 16, 2006 3:02 PM   
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I am definitely on the side of providing education and support for everyone who is an addict, or is connected to and or associated with any drug addict and or alcohlic. Be it the addicted person as well as their families and friends or loved ones. After all, there is really not one person in the addicts life that isn't affected by their abuse of drugs and or alcohol. ** Remember that an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Education should be a national topic and not just a local thing. Education does not stop at reading and writing. Come on now, how many of us wouldn't have benifited a little if we had been mandated to how a credit or 2 in human behaviour or what does it take to raise a child or to be a husband and or wife. Our society puts more importance on our ability to drive a car than it does on raising a healthy family. We are more concerned with making someone FEEL sexually accepted than we are with birth control, we have chosen to teach how to have Sex rather than how to be a Man or a Woman of Honour and respect. We have become fixers rather than preventors.
Off topic- Sorry!
Tthere are also addictions and hangups that are out there with the same long term affects that could be prevented and or arrested if proper education was previously in place.
Drugs/Legalizing them- CRAZY PEOPLE THOUGHTS, this type of thinking can only be started by those that have not been seriously harmed or hurt by the damaging Damning effects of Drug Abuse and the places that it takes you. Also this type of thinking is definetely without thought of anything more than making more MONEY, and finding another way of monopelizing on the misfortunes of the Sick and Suffering.
TITLE : Seven Policies to Conquer Addiction in our Lifetime, By Johnny Allen can be found at the following link-
http://johnsoninstitute.org/resourses/index.php?DocID=59
I hope that I am not overstepping any boundaries by sharing some, what I call Hope, with others that otherwise may never get the opportunity to find an alternative to your average recovery hotline. I found the above website just by searching for help for myself, I thought that the Idea of me realizing that I had a sickness, and not just that I was weak and useless was of some support and shed HOPE on what was becoming a hopeless situation.
Can we as a nation or nations, U.S.A. and Canada, not only learn how to fight together against other nations that would (if they could) like to see us fall by the wayside because of our weeknesses and or FEAR of ????, but also fight together against the struggles and sickness caused by the misuse and abuse of Drugs and Alcohol or ?? whathaveyou.
We stand our ground, do we not? Yes We do stand strong when it comes to national security and world threats.
How long will it be before we come to an understanding that the largest battle and toughest we have may be right here at our own doorsteps? Yet we generally shrug it off as THEIR PROBLEM>
Their choice, their decision.
What if you where diagnosed with cancer and your neighbours and doctors just said to you to pull up your socks and smarten up, use your willpower, No not going to happen.
A sickness is a sickness, whatever the root cause is or was, drug addiction is still a disease that KILLS- Yet Unlike cancer, Addictions harm and ultimately cost a lot more in terms of all round human damage, usually the disease is drawn out over years and years of abuse, passed on sometimes through generations, just like any other good familiar family habit and or function- whether it is playing the guitar, or writing books and or playing sports; abuse in ALL forms can and do get passed on.
Follow the link I gave you and see what a differance you can make.
http://johnsoninstitute.org/resourses/index.php?DocID=59

on the level

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Biggest scam in history!
Posted by: hudgeliberal on Dec 18, 2006 5:41 PM   
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This so-called war on drugs is one of the biggest,most vile scams ever wrought upon the American public. I am a recovering oxyconting addict that has been clean for 3 years now. I support treatment,education and understanding..that is the only way that you will ever make a dent in the drug trade. Prescription drugs are all the rage now. After a knee surgery that was caused by a basketball injury..at 32 for the first time in my life I was introduced to pain killers. I can remember lying in bed after the initial pain of my surgery had subsided(2-3 weeks after)and I started to notice just how talkative and engaging I would feel about 45 minutes after taking my medication(Tylox at the time). Still,for about a year I really didnt get back on the medication,then me and a friend were watching a basketball game one night and he had recently had a severe mining accident and had injured his back...he was prescribed..OXYCONTIN. The rest as they say...is history. I can now understand first hand just what many heroin and morphine abusers have known for years...just how bad the addiction can get. I lost everything to my addiction...my marriage,home,vehicles. Thanks to methadone(which sometimes is the only thing that will help some regardless of its bad reputation)I was able to resume living my normal life. It is funny,just like crack invaded the inner cities in the late 70's and 80's..Oxycontin exploded in rural W.VA,VA and Kentucky..places that are usually the last to get anything..whether it be trendy clothes,gadgets etc. Yet we were the first to experience the Oxycontin boom. My little hometown now has a huge drug task force that is probably one of the largest per capita in the nation. Many of my friends are serving time because of their addiction to OCs as they are called here. It really makes you wonder if this area was some sort of test group. It seemed as if doctors all of a sudden everywhere here were prescribing oxycontin and with our rampant poverty and lack of good paying jobs..the drug took hold and proceeded to ravage our little communities and families. Now,the solution is not to ban drugs or throw everyone who is an addict in jail..that has been tried since the days of Nixon and has failed miserably. Its only making the task forces,DEA agent and attorneys more money in grants to fight the system. It is a failed policy..miserably failed. I am not saying that you should legalize all drugs,but possession should be decriminalized. I urge you to have compassion on those with addiction problems. Most people have no idea just what a hellish life that someone with addiction leads. Thanks for listening..and urge the government to use treatment and education not just tougher laws that will make addicts hardened criminals once they are jailed.

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