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The Government's Assault on Press Freedom
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The window in America once was open wide and, I thought, permanently so. I used to tell my students on the first day of class that we had the freest speech and press in the world. I can't do that anymore.
In recent years American press freedom has eroded. Many other countries are now ranked freer than the United States -- all of the Scandinavian countries, Belgium, the Netherlands, New Zealand and many others. In the most recent survey by Freedom House, an independent American-based organization that assesses liberties around the world, the United States tied for 17th place, with the Bahamas, Estonia, Germany and others.
The international free-press advocates Reporters Without Borders ranked us 53rd, tied with Botswana, Croatia and Tonga. These rankings may not be scientifically valid, for a lot of subjective judgment is involved. But it is sobering to see the consensus that the United States is no longer anywhere near the top.
By virtue of Supreme Court decisions, the U.S. press remains freer than the press elsewhere in a few respects.
First, our law provides significantly greater protection for the press against libel suits, especially by government officials. In many countries, libel is a bullying tool for officials and the powerful to silence dissent. Under the 1964 decision in New York Times vs. Sullivan, insults, parodies and vicious criticism of officials are protected by the First Amendment.
Second, our law protects the press against almost any attempt by government to impose a "prior restraint" on what can be published. That is, the government is not allowed to censor, in advance, information the press may wish to publish. The famous "Pentagon Papers" case in 1971 allowed the New York Times and the Washington Post to publish information about a classified Defense Department study on American involvement in Vietnam, despite the government's contention that publication would impair national security.
Third, perhaps unique in the world, our law protects the advocacy of dangerous, potentially divisive ideas. One can preach overthrow of the government -- domestic "regime change" -- religious hatred, racial discrimination and even criminal activity. Under the Supreme Court's 1969 decision in Brandenburg vs. Ohio, government may not suppress ideas, however repugnant to most, unless their expression amounts to incitement to imminent unlawful acts.
It also is true that American journalists have not been physically attacked based on what they report, at least at home (although overseas, some have been, and one was beheaded). In some other countries, journalists risk harassment or worse for reporting that offends government officials or powerful figures. The Committee to Protect Journalists reported that 47 journalists were murdered last year.
But U.S. press freedom has been slipping away since Sept. 11, 2001. Now that we are in a seemingly permanent "war" on terrorism, the government claims wartime powers that result in restricting press freedom.
The Bush administration has multiplied exponentially the number of documents it classifies as secret, shielding them from public view. It has classified literally millions of documents "top secret," according to reports filed with the National Archives; and the office of Vice President Dick Cheney claims to be exempt from reporting even the numbers of records it brands with the "classified" stamp. (The administration has also tried to retrieve antique classified documents from columnist Jack Anderson's estate, contending that only the government may possess such documents, however old.) Within weeks after 9/11, President Bush issued Executive Order 13233, allowing him to veto public release not only of his own presidential papers but those of former President Ronald Reagan, Bush's father and former President Bill Clinton.
The administration also is aggressively pursuing leaks, not with a Nixonian Plumbers unit but by threatening criminal prosecution. Some Republicans in Congress have called for Espionage Act prosecution of the New York Times for publishing revelations about the National Security Agency's monitoring of communications by U.S. citizens and tracking international financial transactions. Bush himself said it was "disgraceful" for the Times to reveal these government activities and publishing the security agency's leak was "helping the enemy."
Pursuing leaks inevitably means pursuing the reporters who received and published the leaks, forcing them to give up confidential sources or telephone records or go to jail. Whatever Judith Miller's motivation and however questionable her arrangement with "Scooter" Libby, she went to jail solely because she refused to reveal communications with her source to the federal grand jury.
Although all states (except Wyoming) legally recognize some sort of privilege for reporters to protect the confidentiality of sources, there is no federal shield law, and the Supreme Court held in 1972 that the First Amendment does not itself serve as one, at least where the information is sought by a federal grand jury investigating a crime.
So reporters who dare to report leaked information that may be classified, or information about testimony before a grand jury -- as Chronicle reporters Lance Williams and Mark Fainaru-Wada did in the BALCO proceeding about steroids in sports -- face subpoenas requiring them to reveal their confidential sources to grand juries or go to jail. And now, Williams and Fainaru-Wada have been ordered to serve as much as 18 months in federal prison, a ruling they have appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco.
So far, the courts have refused to protect subpoenaed reporters no matter how important the information they unearthed or how insignificant the alleged crime. It is true that reporters have never had strong protection against federal subpoenas, but they have hardly ever needed it. Until now.
One of former Attorney General John Ashcroft's first post-Sept. 11 acts was to issue a directive to federal agencies restricting access to government records under the Freedom of Information Act. Ashcroft's directive effectively reversed the presumption of openness and told agencies not to allow inspection of records if there was any arguable basis for withholding the records, assuring officials that Justice Department lawyers would defend them if sued.
Ashcroft's Justice Department also proceeded to round up mostly Muslim immigrants and conduct deportation hearings in secret, not allowing the press or public even to know that any hearing took place, which caused one federal judge to remark that "democracy dies behind closed doors." Ashcroft's moves toward greater secrecy were of a piece with Cheney's refusal when sued under the Freedom of Information Act to disclose even the identity of the corporate executives he met with to determine the administration's energy policy.
Unlike in Sweden, where the right of access to government documents is enshrined in the Constitution, our 1966 information act is solely a legislative creation. Unlike in South Korea, where the Supreme Court decided in 1989 that the right of access to government documents was an integral part of the constitutional freedom of the press, the U.S. Supreme Court held (in a case I lost, Houchins vs. KQED) that there is no such thing as a First Amendment right of access to government information or facilities. Consequently, Americans' right to know what their government is up to is not as well recognized as it is in some other countries.
Nor is government propaganda healthy for a free press or the citizenry. The Bush administration did not advance press freedom by producing and canning favorable "news" stories with fake reporters and peddling them to television stations, or by clandestinely paying friendly columnists for publishing opinions supporting administration policies.
Other recent U.S. government actions also cut into press freedom. The Federal Communications Commission's campaign to stamp out "indecency" and "profanity" in the broadcast media, with congressionally increased fines of $325,000 per violation for allowing a breast to be glimpsed or a dirty word uttered, has intimidated broadcasters.
The campaign may initially have been aimed at Howard Stern, but it puts at risk serious programming like a CBS documentary on 9/11 in which strong language escapes from the lips of firefighters and others in the inferno, "Saving Private Ryan" and even Masterpiece Theater's "Prime Suspect." Other countries like Sweden are bemused by American prissiness about sex and impose no comparable restrictions on their broadcasters.
The press is free in countries that trust the people to make wise decisions when they're fully informed, countries that remain willing to take the risks of dissent, rude discourse, instability and some insecurity, that tolerate eccentricity and unorthodox ideas. The erosion of press freedom in the United States, relative to other nations around the world, is disheartening. We have always had high expectations of freedom, which we now don't live up to.
It is hard to stomach the hypocrisy of claiming to spread democracy abroad while restricting at home the very freedoms that make democracy possible.
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1200 (Carta) to 1800 (USA) years to get it back. I wonder how long it will take humanity this time?
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither" Benjamin Franklin.
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Posted by: anothername on Dec 12, 2006 4:18 AM
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The government may not censor what is reported about it, but journalism in a democracy needs to serve the grassroots as well as the government. In this regard, censorship continues to be alive and well. It is present in the limited representation of African Americans and women, or more accurately, the stories and news that reflect the inequality in our country.
When newspapers and television started needing individuals to go on record by name, but continue to allow government officials to be incognito, censorship increased. As stories that do not impact men in power, such as the decade plus effort a woman in Pennsylvania has made to get that state to prohibit asking women about their martial and motherhood status in job interviews, are ignored, censorship grows.
Whenever newspaper publishers cater to advertisers or readers' requests for more soft stories, censorship exists. This is one of the major reasons why censorship and loss of press freedom started long before 9/11/2001.
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 12, 2006 5:49 AM
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The MSM is controlled by corporate interests and it is
ALL about the $$$
On the borderless Internet,
We the People of the world are doing what the
Fourth Estate is too
AFRAID to do:
SEEK and
Report the
TRUTH without censorship.
Pro-bono
Internet MUCKRAKERS
Driven by
PASSION
Are
Doing IT on
WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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Most every CEO/Representive from the media, Banks to Microsoft attend meetings of the Bilderbergs, CFR, and Trilateral Commision every year to plan the destruction of this Republic. (U.S.)
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The story of how slickly the MSM "catapolted" the Bush/Cheney message while being attacked as the "liberal media" by the same crowd who then, jailing journalists and classifying Dick Cheney's ENRON papers (oops? Did I say too much?), goes to show just how connected the MSM is to Washington. Ah, those BBQs at the ranch...
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while covering a protest demanding justice
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Posted by: meliom on Dec 12, 2006 11:00 PM
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How many blows to the face need you suffer before you realize you are being assaulted -- not by some pre-fabricated "terrorists", but by your own government!
The wealthy elite, the corporate oligarchy -- well embedded in our system of government -- have taken control, year by year, election by election, putting in place cronies pliant to their agenda, while we the people wonder what has happened.
Wake up, my fellow Americans!
If we are to reverse this trend, we will have to press for the following measures:
1. Remove the Rights of Personhood from corporations.
2. Reduce the military budget by REMOVING THE PROFIT MARGIN FROM MILITARY SPENDING. If these so-called super-patriots are sssssoooooooo patriotic, let them produce these weapons of destruction AT COST! This will separate the TRUE patriots from the PURE PROFITEERS. And ban them from PUBLIC OFFERINGS OF THEIR STOCK.
3. BAN ALL CLANDESTINE ORGANIZATIONS (the CIA, DIA, FBI, and Homeland Security, for a start).
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Posted by: meliom on Dec 12, 2006 11:35 PM
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In the words of a judicial giant: "In the First Amendment, the Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfill its essential role in our democracy. The press was to serve the governed, not the governors. The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the Government. The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell." -- Justice Black. NYT v. US. 403 US 713
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They did the same thing with the drug, oil, insurance and health care companies for the lobbyist dollars they got to keep them in office. Repubs are Repubs and they will never change because these activities of selling out 'we the people' is a core component of Republicanism, and someday the Americans who just keep voting repub will begin to understand. The repubs also sold out to and made promises to the religious groups, both white southern Baptists and the Catholic religion, my religion. But religions are run by human beings and as such are just as corruptable as any other special interest group like the Neocons, all of whom are nothing more than war and fear mongers. So the upshot of all this is that our democracy is trapped in a stranglehold by the aforementioned groups who each have their own agenda for America which is always not the agenda the American people have for America. So the three Pillers of the Republican Party platform must be either defeated or at the very least put under severe control and restriction in order that government be returned to the American people and taken away from these special interest groups all of whom no have 'we the people' in a terrible and destructive stranglehold, as we continue to lose our civil liberties and get more wars and killing, the end of the middle class, loss of services to the poor and really all american taxpayers who pay almost everything (93%) for the running of our gov't. Let's take back America after all we own it in the first place and we pay for nearly all of it. Just imagine the concept of using OUR tax dollars to benefit us instead of a few special interest groups. There are 295+ million of us and less than 5 million of these special interest groups.
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Does a journalist reports on his freedoms inside the newsroom? Since when can a corporate journalist tell the establishment his true feelings on how a news item is portraited?
The press has been stolen from us. There isn't much alternative voices about what happened and why. We have a group of Katie Courics who say they are going to interview people about freedom of speech and we get a washed out viewpoint by an elitist who might be scared to speak out.
The status quo message goes to the person who might open the classifieds to look for a job or the person who reads his sports teams. The main stream media doesn't do the big investigations. Are they going to see how easy it is to get on an airplane? How safe is our bus stops? Are the police doing a good job policing themselves?
Spike Lee will make a movie about the LA Riots and I am worried that his take on it will define how it all led up to that point. I was in it and have yet to see anyone put two and two together. One main element and if it is missing the whole thing is misrepresented. Taking what someone sees on television and dramatizing it for the big screen is the most effective way to change people's opinions on what happened and why.
Look at all those made for television movies about Jim Jones, Waco, The Reagans, or the ABC movie about 9-11. Those directors are the ultimate journalists. Their versions of events are the most lasting or remembered because rarely will someone open a book.
My contentions with the field of journalism is we have people who are the real gatekeepers determining what is and what isn't a journalist. As long as we have the first amendment we are the press, speaking and assembling. If people don't understand that then we need to assert that right even more.
Spike Lee can make any movie he wants and he doesn't have to get it totally right. But he better believe I will rip it apart if he misses the main thing that led to the riots. It wasn't Rodney King, Latasha Harlins or Reginald Denny or verdicts. It wasn't about race and it wasn't a racial riot.
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Posted by: jaketail on Dec 12, 2006 4:03 AM
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1200 (Carta) to 1800 (USA) years to get it back. I wonder how long it will take humanity this time?
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither" Benjamin Franklin.
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Posted by: anothername on Dec 12, 2006 4:18 AM
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The government may not censor what is reported about it, but journalism in a democracy needs to serve the grassroots as well as the government. In this regard, censorship continues to be alive and well. It is present in the limited representation of African Americans and women, or more accurately, the stories and news that reflect the inequality in our country.
When newspapers and television started needing individuals to go on record by name, but continue to allow government officials to be incognito, censorship increased. As stories that do not impact men in power, such as the decade plus effort a woman in Pennsylvania has made to get that state to prohibit asking women about their martial and motherhood status in job interviews, are ignored, censorship grows.
Whenever newspaper publishers cater to advertisers or readers' requests for more soft stories, censorship exists. This is one of the major reasons why censorship and loss of press freedom started long before 9/11/2001.
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Posted by: wawa on Dec 12, 2006 5:49 AM
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The MSM is controlled by corporate interests and it is
ALL about the $$$
On the borderless Internet,
We the People of the world are doing what the
Fourth Estate is too
AFRAID to do:
SEEK and
Report the
TRUTH without censorship.
Pro-bono
Internet MUCKRAKERS
Driven by
PASSION
Are
Doing IT on
WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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Posted by: mite on Dec 12, 2006 10:03 AM
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Most every CEO/Representive from the media, Banks to Microsoft attend meetings of the Bilderbergs, CFR, and Trilateral Commision every year to plan the destruction of this Republic. (U.S.)
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The story of how slickly the MSM "catapolted" the Bush/Cheney message while being attacked as the "liberal media" by the same crowd who then, jailing journalists and classifying Dick Cheney's ENRON papers (oops? Did I say too much?), goes to show just how connected the MSM is to Washington. Ah, those BBQs at the ranch...
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while covering a protest demanding justice
for a murdered independent video journalist
Watch The Video @
http://Fluxview.com
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Posted by: meliom on Dec 12, 2006 11:00 PM
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How many blows to the face need you suffer before you realize you are being assaulted -- not by some pre-fabricated "terrorists", but by your own government!
The wealthy elite, the corporate oligarchy -- well embedded in our system of government -- have taken control, year by year, election by election, putting in place cronies pliant to their agenda, while we the people wonder what has happened.
Wake up, my fellow Americans!
If we are to reverse this trend, we will have to press for the following measures:
1. Remove the Rights of Personhood from corporations.
2. Reduce the military budget by REMOVING THE PROFIT MARGIN FROM MILITARY SPENDING. If these so-called super-patriots are sssssoooooooo patriotic, let them produce these weapons of destruction AT COST! This will separate the TRUE patriots from the PURE PROFITEERS. And ban them from PUBLIC OFFERINGS OF THEIR STOCK.
3. BAN ALL CLANDESTINE ORGANIZATIONS (the CIA, DIA, FBI, and Homeland Security, for a start).
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Posted by: meliom on Dec 12, 2006 11:35 PM
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In the words of a judicial giant: "In the First Amendment, the Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfill its essential role in our democracy. The press was to serve the governed, not the governors. The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the Government. The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell." -- Justice Black. NYT v. US. 403 US 713
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They did the same thing with the drug, oil, insurance and health care companies for the lobbyist dollars they got to keep them in office. Repubs are Repubs and they will never change because these activities of selling out 'we the people' is a core component of Republicanism, and someday the Americans who just keep voting repub will begin to understand. The repubs also sold out to and made promises to the religious groups, both white southern Baptists and the Catholic religion, my religion. But religions are run by human beings and as such are just as corruptable as any other special interest group like the Neocons, all of whom are nothing more than war and fear mongers. So the upshot of all this is that our democracy is trapped in a stranglehold by the aforementioned groups who each have their own agenda for America which is always not the agenda the American people have for America. So the three Pillers of the Republican Party platform must be either defeated or at the very least put under severe control and restriction in order that government be returned to the American people and taken away from these special interest groups all of whom no have 'we the people' in a terrible and destructive stranglehold, as we continue to lose our civil liberties and get more wars and killing, the end of the middle class, loss of services to the poor and really all american taxpayers who pay almost everything (93%) for the running of our gov't. Let's take back America after all we own it in the first place and we pay for nearly all of it. Just imagine the concept of using OUR tax dollars to benefit us instead of a few special interest groups. There are 295+ million of us and less than 5 million of these special interest groups.
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Does a journalist reports on his freedoms inside the newsroom? Since when can a corporate journalist tell the establishment his true feelings on how a news item is portraited?
The press has been stolen from us. There isn't much alternative voices about what happened and why. We have a group of Katie Courics who say they are going to interview people about freedom of speech and we get a washed out viewpoint by an elitist who might be scared to speak out.
The status quo message goes to the person who might open the classifieds to look for a job or the person who reads his sports teams. The main stream media doesn't do the big investigations. Are they going to see how easy it is to get on an airplane? How safe is our bus stops? Are the police doing a good job policing themselves?
Spike Lee will make a movie about the LA Riots and I am worried that his take on it will define how it all led up to that point. I was in it and have yet to see anyone put two and two together. One main element and if it is missing the whole thing is misrepresented. Taking what someone sees on television and dramatizing it for the big screen is the most effective way to change people's opinions on what happened and why.
Look at all those made for television movies about Jim Jones, Waco, The Reagans, or the ABC movie about 9-11. Those directors are the ultimate journalists. Their versions of events are the most lasting or remembered because rarely will someone open a book.
My contentions with the field of journalism is we have people who are the real gatekeepers determining what is and what isn't a journalist. As long as we have the first amendment we are the press, speaking and assembling. If people don't understand that then we need to assert that right even more.
Spike Lee can make any movie he wants and he doesn't have to get it totally right. But he better believe I will rip it apart if he misses the main thing that led to the riots. It wasn't Rodney King, Latasha Harlins or Reginald Denny or verdicts. It wasn't about race and it wasn't a racial riot.
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