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The Christian Right Goes Back to Bible Boot Camp

By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet. Posted December 4, 2006.


After a study revealed that less than 10 percent of evangelicals were Bible literate, James Dobson's Focus on the Family is desperately taking a two-day multimedia Bible boot camp on the road, selling "truth" for $179 a seat.
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It's been a rough season for the Christian right. Even for an eschatological movement, these are dark days. First came former Deputy Director of the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives David Kuo's public admission that evangelicals were often derided as "nuts" and "goofy" within the inner sanctums of the Bush administration. Then, weeks before losing their shotgun seat in the 109th Congress, the booming voice of the National Association of Evangelicals, Ted Haggard, was silenced in a scandal involving a gay hooker, massage oils, methamphetamine, and a string of Denver hotel rooms booked under false names.

But even before all that hit the fundamentalist fan, the movement was contending with a quieter, more systemic crisis: functional Biblical illiteracy among the flock. That's right, religious conservatives aren't so religious, after all.

This alarm was sounded by George Barna, chief pollster and CEO of the Barna Group, a Ventura, Calif.-based Christian polling and communications outfit. In August of 2005, Barna reported that less than ten percent of born-again Christians held what he termed a "Biblical worldview." Based on his survey, very few grasped the nuances of scripture or believed in "Absolute Truth" any more than their secular counterparts; the "Body of Christ" had been infected with the virus of relativism, a wasting disease.

"Although most people own a Bible and know some of its content," reported Barna, "our research found that most [professed evangelicals] have little idea how to integrate core biblical principles to form a unified and meaningful response to the challenges and opportunities of life."

The prolific Barna dashed off a book in response to this worrying discovery. Entitled "Think Like Jesus" -- and marketed as "one of those books that really ticks off Satan" -- it quickly sold out in Barna's online bookstore. A second edition of "Think Like Jesus" soon went to press to further aggravate the Lord of Darkness.

Barna's poll and subsequent call to think like Jesus caught the attention of Dr. James Dobson, patriarch of the two most important religious right groups, the $140-million-a-year Focus on the Family, and its more politically minded spin-off, the D.C.-based Family Research Council. Dobson called Barna's report on Christian America's disappearing Biblical worldview "very distressing news" and felt that it warranted a muscular response, one befitting the massive resources at his disposal. The result is Focus on the Family's "The Truth Project: An In-Depth Christian Worldview Experience," a slick and intensive two-day training conference that kicked-off a North American tour last month at a megachurch outside Atlanta. It has since visited sell-out audiences in six cities; there are already 10 events planned for 2007.

Partly because the testimonials sound so scripted -- "The presentation in Boston was wonderful and definitely worth my 12 hour round-trip drive!" -- it's hard to say if The Truth Project is really the transformative Christian experience Focus claims it to be. It is, however, an open window into how the country's largest religious right group sees the world -- and how it would like everyone else to see it. The Truth Project is also a testament to the extent to which the religious right leadership understands it is fighting a desperate and rearguard culture war. How can an Army of Light be expected to conquer Satan when the troops not only march out of step, but can't even clean or load their religious rifles? The training conferences are a natural activity for conservative Christian activists at the dawn of the 110th Congress: a retreat from the front lines to regroup and retrain infantry who the generals fear are going AWOL, even as they maintain nominally Christian identities.

Toward this end, Focus on the Family has developed what is essentially a two-day multimedia Bible boot camp, with more than a whiff of a Holiday Inn get-rich-quick seminar. Held in churches instead of hotels, the seminars explain how to attain "Truth," not financial independence. This Truth comes in the form of a neatly packaged immutable Christian worldview to be taken home and shared with your neighbors. Attendees also receive a 12-DVD set of the lectures; meals are not provided.

The seminar is scripted and presented by Dr. Del Tackett, an energetic yet predictably dull senior executive at Focus on the Family and an adjunct professor at New Geneva Theological Seminary and Summit Ministries. Before joining Focus, Tackett spent 20 years in the Air Force and was director of technical planning for George H. W. Bush's National Security Council. The Truth Project website describes him as a "visionary and a teacher."


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It's nice to read the "Bible": WHICH ONE?????????
Posted by: edith on Dec 4, 2006 12:59 AM   
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so the bible literalists want to understand the "bible". they have a problem?

"Although most people own a Bible and know some of its content," reported Barna, "our research found that most [professed evangelicals] have little idea how to integrate core biblical principles to form a unified and meaningful response to the challenges and opportunities of life."

Well higher order thinking, which religious Jewish and Catholic scholars have done for over 2,000 years might be a tad much for the home schooled good ol boys to do, but an even greater challenge will be WHAT The HELL BIBLE WILL THEY READ? Jewish, Muslim and Christian scholars with such accessories as PHds and years of training at seminaries at which original texts and even documents are analyzed, are fluent in the languages of the Bible. Ya mean that ain't Suthern Englush?????????

No Ham Boy it ain't. Try Aramaic(hebrew dilaect of Rapper J of Nazareth, Hebrew(will that be Temple or Street Variety on your Fries?, Greek(Alexandran or Mainland? and Latin(Oh gimme that big hard Vulgate).

What 's a christian to do? Study the Bible(Old or New, Gnostic included or Not) for decades like some dirty ol Rabbi in williamsburg or some irish drunkmonk in Rome?

It could drive a Man to the Flesh of Tempation.

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» The King James of course Posted by: Swatopluk
» King James was a homo! Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: King James was a homo! Posted by: cosmicgold
» RE: King James was a homo! Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: What does it matter? Ask any evangelical. nm Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» My bad... Posted by: moflard
» Get flocked Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: Get flocked Posted by: moflard
confirmation
Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 4, 2006 1:04 AM   
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Thanks for confirmation that fundamentalist believers are created primarily by brainwashing. If most believers don't even read most of their primary text then they are at the mercy of whatever bullshit their contemporary leaders feed them. It is a great system for creating a flock of thougthless assholes who believe all the lies the Bushies tell them. It is propaganda pretending to be truth.

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» RE: confirmation Posted by: Guy
» RE: confirmation Posted by: willymack
» The Benefits of Religion? Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: The Benefits of Religion? Posted by: mike1986
True enough to be said...
Posted by: equidave on Dec 4, 2006 1:12 AM   
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...again (and in CAPS):



THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT IS NEITHER!


Until people, without recourse to the rules of their "faith" (or fear of their courts), are naturally compassionate and inherently consider/honor the inter-dependency of all creatures and systems in our biosphere, we are doomed to suffer repackaged versions of the same evolutionary dead-end.

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One mass training program is like every other mass training program.
Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 4, 2006 2:00 AM   
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Revivalism in its traditional format has died, so now it reappears in the guise of education.

The author of this piece compares it to the "get-rich-quick" seminar circuit that promises to teach you how to make a million dollars in investments, real estate, whatever. The clever attendee will realize that the best way to get rich is to put on seminars; otherwise why would someone who knows how to get rich need to charge anyone for teaching it.

So instead of passing the offering plate, evangelists (of whatever stripe) now sell tickets. Erhardt Seminar Training did it for years, basically teaching attendees how to recruit new legions to buy more tickets.

What sells is the basic strategy that the trainer will teach you how you can be just like the trainer. It's a snake oil that cures you of poverty, sin, and loneliness.

Sagan did the same thing when he was alive, selling the discoveries of science as 'awesome insider knowledge' to willing ticket-buyers. And the anti-communist crusade did the same (and probably still is doing it?).

After you've seen one recruiter, you've seen them all. It's as American as Barnum's "Sucker born every minute."

It's religion as a "How To (fill in the blank)." Self-improvement sells. Always has, always will.

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» Sagan Posted by: kepstein7777
» Granted. Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Granted. Posted by: jack alexander
» I admire your skills, Mr Peanut Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties
Sheeples
Posted by: Lector on Dec 4, 2006 2:11 AM   
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The people who have been infected for generations with the need to be true believers want to be sheared, herded, and categorized into their proper corrals and be told what to believe, and the jackals or the priests or whoever, are willing to provide any ”true” interpretation of the bible that suits these times. This is another reminder why the concept of organized religion has always been a dangerous thing. To have the people think independently would put all the “religious corporations” out of the business of making money and influencing politics forever. But most of us are intellectually too lazy to pursue and examine life on our own because we prefer the easier answers which religion readily and greedily provides, often incorrect or unrealistic.

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» RE: Sheeples Posted by: aussidawg
Careful what you wish for.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 4, 2006 2:31 AM   
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Having a Biblically-literate flock is counterproductive. There's stuff in there about humility, materialism, hypocrisy, peacemakers, Samaritans, Pharisees...all of which could be misinterpreted as the opposite of what the preachers have been telling them.

These "re-education" boot camps are the right idea: "We'll tell you what it says in there--AGAIN. But this time, please try to pay attention."

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» RE: Careful what you wish for. Posted by: mike1997
What the right really lacks is Spirituality
Posted by: wawa on Dec 4, 2006 2:54 AM   
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There is too much religion in USA: religion provides the rules, dogma, doctrines.

Spirituality connects us to The Divine and Tom Paine got it:


"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."-Tom Paine


Common Sense was lost when Bush's Doctrine of Fear took over the American soul.

Bush claims his favorite philosopher is Christ, but he doesn't know jack about the philosophy.

Thomas Jefferson weeded out the miracle stories from the gospels and clarified the teachings of Christ in
The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth

1. Be just: justice comes from virtue which comes from the heart.

2. Treat people the way we want to be treated.

3. Always work for PEACEFUL resolutions, even to the point of returning violence with COMPASSION.

4. Consider valuable the things that have no material value.

5. Do not judge others.

6. Do not bear grudges.

7. Be modest and unpretentious.

8. Give out of true generosity, not because we expect to be repaid.

9. Being true to ones self is more important than being loyal to ones family...those who think they know the most are the most ignorant......


public service from WAWA:
www.WeAreWideAwake.org

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» Sounds like Epictetus Posted by: churchofone
So what else is new???? sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Dec 4, 2006 3:28 AM   
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Any thinking person knew the Religious Right was wrong. As the old saw goes, actions speak louder than words and the actions of most of the "leaders" aka Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and James Dobson to name a few of the most prominent were not behaving as Jesus or the Constitution tells us to conduct our daily lives. Also Bush USED to be seen sitting sanctimoniously in church and then behaving exactly the opposite. Is there a reason we no longer see Bush in Church, does he still go or is it no longer newsworhy. Not only the government but the religous communuty need to clean up their act.

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Another cowardly Alternet article slamming Christians
Posted by: ISlamIslam on Dec 4, 2006 3:35 AM   
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Christians are an easy enough target to mock and criticize, as this article does in typical Alternet fashion. I'm still waiting for comparable articles mocking and criticizing Islam (which, more so than Christianity, purports that all of the answers to life can be found in one book)...including the wide-spread proseletizing that goes on in American prisons by Saudi Arabia to convert inmates to Islam. But I'm not holding my breath. After all, criticizing Islam takes courage since any Imam can issue a fatwa for your death (ask Salman Rushdie), while picking on passive, sheep-like Christians, who believe in turning the other cheek, is like shooting fish in a barrel.

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» Other cheek? Posted by: kepstein7777
» Happy now? Posted by: ISlamIslam
» RE: Happy now? Posted by: hms2004
» You're right, they should look at Islam too Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» passive and sheeplike... Posted by: gargirl
» That Jesus, such a kidder. Posted by: MatthewSavage
» I think you're wrong... Posted by: ISlamIslam
» RE: I think you're wrong... Posted by: hms2004
» You made your point Posted by: ISlamIslam
» RE: You made your point Posted by: moflard
» RE: You made your point Posted by: ISlamIslam
» RE: You made your point Posted by: moflard
» Too risky Posted by: ISlamIslam
» OK that's your opinion. Posted by: moflard
» Christianity has its "turrorists" too Posted by: doctorsquared
» TROLL: The Game, the Rules Posted by: AdamSelene40
» Well, you gotta admit ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: TROLL: The Game, the Rules Posted by: ISlamIslam
For $179 plus tax, get a little religious hoodwinking & enlightenment.
Posted by: symcokid on Dec 4, 2006 4:53 AM   
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If a person wants to get the latest paraphrasing of parables, these religious Bible Camp seminars are the only way to go. They are comparable to military Boot Camp, a little indoctrination and everybody is on the same page. After the Crash Course, a little test is administered and the answers are all multiple choice. Get a little Modern Day - Old Time Religion and then spread the word!

The best part is it's affordable and you can use your credit card if you're a little short on cash.

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GOOD NEW FOR SALE
Posted by: jeanmo on Dec 4, 2006 4:55 AM   
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I've listened to various evangelicals on television - they 'preach' good news, always positive, always the same message. It is how they fill up the megachurches. People attend those churches to be redeemed and placated - religion lite. They don't really want to think about tough issues - like poverty - so the pastors don't mention it. Its no surprise to me they don't know the bible - reading it may make them think too hard.

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» Holier than thou Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» You are so wrong Posted by: KatieOpinion
» RE: You are so wrong Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: You are so wrong Posted by: hms2004
What is The First Christian Principle?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 4, 2006 5:02 AM   
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Show me the money.

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Mrs. Betty Bowers for President?
Posted by: colinmeister on Dec 4, 2006 5:04 AM   
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All this funamentalist crap makes me want to get a "Betty Bowers for President" bumper sticker or tee shirt. Maybe a few people will notice it, do a google, and realise just how wierd the fundamentalists are! It often takes parody to illustrate the more bizarre beliefs of some who try to direct how we live.

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» Betty Bowers Slut For Christ Posted by: BAKslider
Same old crap..different cloth
Posted by: cosmicgold on Dec 4, 2006 5:23 AM   
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Dont want to sound like a broken record...but remember..Christ,Buddha,Mohammed,Krishna,Confucious, the popes,GOD,Satan,Most of the world's monarchies, Most psychologists,Imams, all the US presidents, are all Male...whats wrong with this picture??? Until half of the world's population which has been silenced (women)..nothing will be accomplished..except the same rhetoric we all have been pounding away at...peace

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Hierodule
Posted by: Hierodule on Dec 4, 2006 6:20 AM   
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It's so easy to be against gay marriage and abortion - it doesn't cost anyone anything. Feeding the hungry, on the other hand, ...
Also, re: the (extremist) murdering Shiites, Sunnis, et. al., I'm still trying to figure out why men shouldn't be required to wear that veil thingy across their ugly faces. Oh, well, it's all good, right?
Oh yeah - almost forgot - good thing, isn't it, that Africa was made so peaceful and loving by the Christian missionaries. I'm sure Dobson's minions can do the same to the U.S.

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» Veiled men Posted by: BlueTigress
» RE: Veiled men Posted by: Hierodule
Fundies are nuts...
Posted by: xenacat on Dec 4, 2006 6:56 AM   
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Well, I've maintained for some time that the religious right bible thumpers were absolute morons who refused to think for themselves, opting instead for the easy answers given to them by their greedy, meglomanical leaders. Unfortunately, these folks are dangerous to the rest of us in their ignorance, as we have seen with Dumbya and the worldwide inferno he created with his unthinking beliefs. Willing ignorance does not a good person make...by the way, what is the Tackett fellow's problem with poor ol' Carl Sagan? Dear Carl has long since joined the star stuff...you'd think Tackett would find someone live to obsess about.

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GodSpeed their friggen Rapture
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 4, 2006 7:02 AM   
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GodSpeed their friggen Rapture. I hope they all beam up to heaven or wherever they think they're going and leave the earth to the rest of us heathens to work on environmental healing and world peace. Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.
May Jesus come back to earth and take them all away NOW!

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Ignorance
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Dec 4, 2006 7:17 AM   
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Anyone see Senator Westmoreland (R-Georgia) on the Colbert Report when he was asked to list the 10 commandments? He got three of them, and he is (was?) a sponsor of a bill that would require the commandments to be posted in government buildings because, in his (paraphrased) words, "without the 10 commandments, we lose our moral compass." I guess to be a True Believing Christian, you don't really have to know what the Bible actually teaches or what the commandments actually say, you just have to believe that whatever it is, it's true.

I've talked to any number of Christians who consider themselves to be Fundamentalists, and more often than not, they have either no idea or a very limited understanding of what's in the Bible. I have a good friend who is a Christian who told me he believes the Bible literally. I asked him if he really thought Noah put two of every creature in the world in an ark roughly the size of a football field and how he thought Noah got to Australia to get the kangaroos. He said that it didn't matter, that this was not the point of the Bible and that he believes its essence. Hm. This is an intelligent guy, and he didn't understand the literal meaning of the word "literal."

When people say they literally believe in everything in the Bible, they usually do not even know what the English word "literally" means. They also don't know that the Bible says that touching pigskin is an abomination, that it's OK to sell your daughter into sexual slavery, or any number of other ideas that would be offensive to them. (See Sam Harris's "Letter to a Christian Nation.)

So football is out (pigskin), sexual slavery is in, and multiple wives are sanctioned by God. Wow. It's amazing how anyone can "literally" believe in words that have been translated numerous times from ancient texts and ideas from ancient cultures that are truly alien to our society. It's like thousands of years of whisper down the alley.

Speaking of translations, if you translate a modern Italian novel into English and back again, the content will be quite different from the original. It is nearly impossible to take the phrases, nuances, and peculiarities of one language and culture and get an exact fit into another. The King James version of the Bible, so beloved by the "traditionalists," was not ever intended to be an exact translation of the Biblical texts; it was written in large part for the poetry of the language. It is, in fact, quite lovely in many parts, but it's not the words from the mouth of God that many would like to believe.

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» The Pigskin ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: The Pigskin ... Posted by: hms2004
» RE: The Pigskin ... Posted by: LeeAnnG
» RE: The Pigskin ... Posted by: ellarwee
oh goody!
Posted by: catnapping on Dec 4, 2006 7:22 AM   
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more brainwashing for the rabid christianists.

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Dog & Pony Show
Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 4, 2006 7:34 AM   
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It's crap like this being done by Dobson for profit and the lemmings who follow that is among the things that casts a big shadow on the Christian faith in our country. The audience for this kind of stuff come overwhelmingly from the megachurches where the faithful are spoon fed carefully crafted sermonettes, heavy on guilt and light on responsibility. Everything except the chair/pew is for sale.

What I get from the Bible is very different from what these Jesus for fun & profit types espouse. What I get is that we are to love, respect and revere every person as much as we would ourselves. That we are to extend grace and mercy to others and seek peace. That we are to care for those at the margins of society: the orphan, the widow, the prisoner, the sick and the injured. That we show our love for God, not in our words, but our actions. Finally, that as we have received this freely, we are to give it freely.

Jesus warned the people following Him that such types would come into the church (not a building or denomination- the set of all christians) for selfish reasons and purposes. He said that they would be 'as ravenous wolves' even while presenting themselves as harmless.

I would like to admonish the author regarding his smug/smarmy sniping at the church. Maybe you are not a Christian or hold to any faith at all- good for you. Don't turn every discussion relating to Christians into an opportunity to advance other viewpoints. The contention that most of the founders were Deists is about as unfounded as the rantings of James Dobson, James Kennedy and Pat Robertson about the issue and about as inaccurate.

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» RE: Dog & Pony Show Posted by: purplelotus13
» RE: Dog & Pony Show Posted by: NoPCZone
BIBLE THUMPING FOR FUN AND PROFIT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 4, 2006 7:47 AM   
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You must admit, these people have made fortunes on their Bible. It seems blasphemous to me. Despite their cliams and superior attitude, they are not truly decent people. They make no attempt to help the destitute or the sick. Or to help out in times of natural disasters. They set up more tax exempt trusts. The good people are the entertainers and other rich and famouse who raise money for many causes. They are not judgemental. Just generous. Thanks, ANNA

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Truth???
Posted by: LoveYourEnemies on Dec 4, 2006 7:58 AM   
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Someone said it earlier and I'm surprised not many other people picked up on it. This little "Truth" fest that claims to teach biblical truth doesn't teach people to read the Bible!!!

I used to be a conservative evangelical. I used to listen to Dobson's show "religiously" (excuse the pun). I bought into the Falwell influenced doctrine. Then the Church made a critical mistake. They actually told me to READ THE BIBLE. OOOPS!!!

I read the Old Testament and quickly realized that it was the story of a group of people justifying their actions after being released from slavery. Case in point: God told the Israelites to go into Canaan and kill all the men, all the women, and all the children (images of babies being ripped from their mothers' breasts and being beheaded come to mind... essentially the same thing that's happening in the Sudan). The BS flag on the stories veracity started flying. I finally got to the New Testament and didn't even recognize Jesus. Wait a minute... "love your enemies"? "Don't pray in public places"? "Don't judge"? Huh? Who's this guy? I was used to finding ways to defeat homosexuality, argue down and despise Richard Dawkins and hate liberals (I couldn't bring myself to do that). I found that we're defined by our works not by saying some "sinner's prayer" or going to the "right" church or going to church at all.

Then I got to the letters in the New Testament (most of them attributed to Paul) and found that Paul actually created the environment where the religious right nonsense could begin to grow and thrive. Women must stay silent. Women can't teach. Slaves must obey their masters. The people must obey their government (even when they're wrong). You're equal only if you believe in Christ. You must give your pastors "double honor". I won't even get started on Peter's letters or Revelation.

Suffice it to say, I realized what was going on and left conservative evangelicalism. I recognized that it was the biggest scam ever to get the populace to conform to the power structure. As Marx said (and conservative evangelicals despise to hear), "Religion is the opiate of the masses." You're fine as long as you stay asleep and don't question the "biblical worldview" handed down to you from the rich and the powerful on high- the recognized "leadership" of the God-ordained movement.

After reading the Bible myself, without study notes, without someone "teaching" me how to do so, I challenged the religious authority in my church and summarily got kicked out.

Again, the leaders who are putting on this sham have no interest in having their followers become biblically literate. It's all a scam to get people to toe the line and have them vote Republican. Even Barna is in on it (which is shocking to me because I actually still respected him). Isn't it interesting that this whole thing is happening after the Republicans lost control of Congress?

If you control the flow of information or control how the information is processed, you control the system. These people are all about control. They don't know Jesus and would kill him if they could.

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It's a form of mental illness
Posted by: MonkeyBoy on Dec 4, 2006 8:00 AM   
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People are drawn to this nonsense due to a mental illness, which is then exploited through hypnosis (prayer). An hour or two a week is enough to keep the trance going. Oh, and don't forget to tithe 10% (that's gross, not net) of your income. You'll burn in hell if you don't.

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Who knows?
Posted by: doctorsquared on Dec 4, 2006 8:13 AM   
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Maybe this could turn out to be a good thing when all these fundies take a look inside the ol' good book and realize what a sadist its god is.

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Greedy
Posted by: BlueTigress on Dec 4, 2006 8:18 AM   
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If this guy REALLY wanted other Christians to know the Bible he would just give away his A/V presentation to any and all, rather than get them to pony up for tickets.

'Hard-working Christians'? One girl I used to work with who subscribed to some weird branch of Christianity (Christadelphian), would spend hours playing with her coloring book when she could get away with it. She and her cousin would also exchange long gossipy faxes. Finally, she was also responsible for entering the salesmen's call report and she would only work on the easily legible, fully filled out ones. When I got that task back, it took me almost a year to get caught up on them in addition to my other tasks.

'Hard-working Christians'? More like minimum-work leeches. My husband used to work with a woman who would write and run off her church's weekly letters using company equipment while on the clock.

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"The Good News" not Dobson style....
Posted by: picket on Dec 4, 2006 9:15 AM   
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If "so called" Ministers of God taught the truth the Churches of every Christian Denomination would empty out. Then maybe the sheep that want to do the "Corporal Works of Mercy would come back.
The hardhearted can pose as saints all day long, but it is not hard to pick them out. The so described bleeding hearts are easy to pick. To put the two groups in the same church building is asking for turmoil.
The Good News is not complicated, for those people so inclined to believe by faith. But to group all Christians together is a huge misunderstanding.
People with no faith and people with a form of faith can usually stand together on at least one goal and manage to get along.
The political goal is to support leaders who are more concerned about the PEOPLE and not MONEY for their own selfish interests. It is NOT an easy task.

The BIBLE is an awe inspiring book. Why was it forbidden to be read by the commoner for centuries, why were people hung for leading underground groups in study, why were single torn pages a priceless treasure, why were the American Slaves forbidden to read it???????.........Duh...

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jareilly
Posted by: jareilly on Dec 4, 2006 9:33 AM   
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it might be a good thing for evangelicals to actually become familiar with most of the Bible (to which the article sort of alludes). they might find out that the cranky fire and brimstone they're getting force fed by Dobson et al are kind of a Biblical on-sequiter. outside of Revelations and Leviticus there isn't that much of it. They might even be unable to avoid some of the glaring inconsistencies and conflicts among and between scriptures.

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Buy the Truth and Sell it Not
Posted by: edhowes on Dec 4, 2006 9:41 AM   
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Buy the truth and sell it not." Proverbs. I have been buying what I could afford of it for more than 30 years and familiarity with the scriptures has been a blessing to my understanding of this world, allowing me to clearly see many claiming the Christian faith were as far from it as the secular humanist, if not farther. In 1988 I published a mini magazine called Christian Forum, with the idea of creating dialog by constantly expanding the readers' letter pages. I got 6 issues published, had mostly prisoner subscribers so paid out mostly my own time and money in the effort.

It was not until I had access to the internet, indirectly through an online friend nearly 4 years ago, I saw I could now afford to share much of the truth I had paid for. I published on article directories and just over two years ago, got my own web site. I write to secular society, not about scripture but political and social issues, often using some scripture to illustrate a point.

The great religious deceptions come when leadership pretends it has the whole truth and we can't understand anything without their assistance and most often we will pay for that assistance, if for no other reason than to bring the light of truth to others. Still, the merchandising of religion became clarified to me after I realized the way one particular scripture is often used to deceive the sheep. :For many will come in my name, saying I am the Christ and shall deceive many." Evangelists teach this as THE anti christ claiming to be Christ and deceiving people. In truth, Jesus is saying, many will come in my name, acknowledging me and deceiving many. Jesus was warning us of the evangelists, using some or much truth while promoting doctrines of men, such as the secret rapture. How many books of scripture and commentaries would $179 buy for a genuine, literate truth seeker?

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Dumb Christians eh?
Posted by: MAD on Dec 4, 2006 10:03 AM   
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"Heee, Heeee - look at the dumb Christians!" Meanwhile Alternet readers blindly follow their own religious sect - The Democratic Party, which if I'm not mistaken voted your asses into Vietnam II and is now dragging its feet getting you out - forget impeaching that common thug for a president.

Isn't it obvious by now that Alternet only runs these tired, religious-themed stories for self-righteous atheists who seek affirmation of their inherent superiority in relation to the "ignorant and superstitious" beliefs of Christian, Jewish or Muslim adherents? On a personal note I'm no friend to religion but this article was hardly newsworthy let alone critique-worthy.

So Christians want to rob one another in some "renaissance" bible scam - big fucking deal! Given the antipathy your average Alternet reader harbors for Christians, this should be a most welcome event that just confirms what you already know: that you're right and they're wrong - sound familiar? Now that all you smug atheists have given your sanctimonious $.02, off to Starbucks with you, then who's up for skiing and $80 dollar lift tickets?

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