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Be All That You Can Be: Leave the Army

By David Swanson, davidswanson.org. Posted November 30, 2006.


With a military badly in need of reform and a war based on lies, desertion is an act of bravery.

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As long as there has been a U.S. military, people have been leaving it. That choice has never been more appropriate than today. Individuals who signed up to defend the United States are engaged in a war that was sold on the basis of lies, was entirely unnecessary, is making us less safe, has nothing to do with defending anyone, and which involves the horror of slaughtering men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands. The majority of Americans want the war to end and just voted accordingly in the Congressional elections. The majority of Iraqis want the war to end. The majority of American service men and women in Iraq want the war to end. And taking part in this war is illegal, whether you are ordered to do so or not.

Approximately 8,000 Americans have refused to report for duty or deserted in order to avoid taking part in this war, or to avoid taking further part in it. Many have objected to the stop loss program that requires them to serve longer than they had agreed to. Others have objected to the rationale behind the war and the horrors that are part of it. Many are best able to support their families by avoiding military service that is poorly compensated. In the cases we know the most about, one motivation for desertion that is clearly absent is cowardice. While quiet desertion tends not to result in any penalty, public opposition and resistance often means prison.

Lt. Ehren Watada, the first U.S. military commissioned officer to publicly refuse to fight in Iraq, has said that he will not obey an illegal order. He faces court martial on February 4, 2007, for obeying the law. Sgt. Camilo Mejia was one of the first Iraq War vets to publicly refuse to return to Iraq -- for which he served 9 months in prison. Mejia objected to the war as based on lies and to the murdering and torturing of civilians that he witnessed. Sgt. Kevin Benderman is serving a 15-month sentence for the crime of applying for conscientious objector status and refusing to serve any longer in Iraq. Marine Corps reservist Stephen Funk was the first enlisted man to publicly refuse deployment to Iraq, and he spent 6 months in prison as a result. He said: "I will not obey an unjust war based on deception by our leaders." Dan Felushko enlisted as a Marine after September 11, 2001. When ordered to Iraq he deserted, commenting: "I didn't want 'Died Deluded in Iraq' over my gravestone. I didn't see a connection between the attack on America and Saddam Hussein."

Some who have deserted and been AWOL for months or years have decided that it is their proper duty to turn themselves in and face court martial. Ricky Clousing has done this. (Watch his explanation on video.).

Agustin Aguayo has done the same and faces charges with a maximum penalty of 7 years.

In many cases, turning yourself in is not easy. Pvt. Kyle Snyder, who spent Thanksgiving helping restore houses in New Orleans with Iraq Veterans Against the War, is currently AWOL and says that his lawyer has tried to contact the military 75 times.

The Army used to pay bounties for turning in deserters. Now the U.S. military leaves deserters alone but requires the troops who don't desert to serve longer than they agreed to. (These days we even elect deserters president. Bush was AWOL during the Vietnam War, and Clinton too avoided serving.) This is a break with the past, but much about resistance to the military has changed little since 1776.

Robert Fantina has just published a careful survey of past wars titled "Desertion and the American Soldier, 1776-2006." During the Revolutionary War, he tells us, one reason for desertion was the corporal punishment endured in the military. Men were often given 100 lashes. When George Washington was unable to convince Congress to raise the legal limit to 500 lashes, he considered using hard labor as a punishment instead, but dropped that idea because the hard labor was indistinguishable from regular service in the Continental Army. Soldiers also left because they needed food, clothing, shelter, medicine, and money. They signed up for pay, were not paid, and endangered their families' well being by remaining in the Army unpaid.

During the Mexican-American War, in a tribute to a future president, soldiers were branded on the face with a "W" if for some reason they were deemed worthless. This sort of treatment, as in the Revolutionary War, was one reason for desertions, but another reason played a large role and would play an increasingly prominent role in desertions through the course of later wars: lack of belief in the cause.

Through the course of recounting the types of desertions prevalent during the various U.S. wars and peace time, Fantina slowly begins to make a case for reforms in the military that he believes would reduce desertions. By the time he's discussing World War I he's arguing as follows: "Without fundamental change that allows a man or woman to be, first and foremost a human being, and a soldier only by chosen occupation, the military will continue to struggle with desertion."

But if, as Fantina proposes, soldiers are permitted to resign at any time, will we not see mass resignations? If troops now serving in Iraq could legally choose to quit, wouldn't many of them do so?

Fantina lists the various rights that soldiers die fighting to supposedly protect but which, as soldiers, they are denied. He views this as hypocrisy and injustice. But is it not necessary in order to get people to kill each other? Fantina describes cases in which deserters have been executed, deserters whose desertion put no one at risk, whose desertion was arguably justified, whose current lives were a threat to no one. "One can only wonder what good such [executions] accomplish," writes Fantina. But those who make war don't wonder much, I think. Does Fantina not see that he is calling into question the entire logic of war?

In the book's final pages, Fantina writes: "The following list of military reforms was suggested in 1903: Over 100 years later, most of them are yet to be implemented, yet they would certainly contribute to a more stable military force:


  • 1. Private soldiers to receive a substantial increase in pay.

  • 2. The employment of trained cooks.

  • 3. Recognition of the right of all soldiers of whatever position to engage in criticism and in free speech at all times and under all circumstances.

  • 4. All the food a soldier wishes to eat, instead of being limited as at present, to an inadequate 'ration.'

  • 5. Absolute amnesty to all deserters from the army and navy.

  • 6. The erection of modern sanitary buildings at all places where troops are quartered.

  • 7. Service in the army to be limited to two years.

  • 8. Abolition of military salutes and all other imbecile and servile practices.

  • 9. Thorough practice in mobility, rapid field movements, quick concentration, with special attention to supplying the troops promptly and regularly with abundant, wholesome nourishing food.

  • 10. All soldiers and officers, whatsoever, to eat exactly the same food, and to be housed or quartered alike at all times and in all places.

  • 11. Prohibition of all forms of torture and violence."



Of course, Fantina is right. It is a disgrace the way we mistreat those who risk their lives for us. But would rectifying this produce a more stable force or a force likely to collapse when ordered to kill innocent people for power-mad cowboys and their oil profits?

Then again, would that be such a bad thing? Does anyone doubt for a minute that if the United States were actually threatened soldiers would sign up to fight proudly in its defense? Many did so following September 11, 2001. Many of them have since deserted. And rightly so. They, the deserters and resisters, are the ones to whom we owe the most gratitude.

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Will the "branding" of DESERTER ever change?
Posted by: zipper696 on Nov 30, 2006 1:32 AM   
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To the unthinking Bush supporter all these men and women that choose to object to an illegal war by walking away from it will forever be cowards, anti-American, unpatriotic and enabling the enemy.

Since it suits the Administration to encourage this as a means of diverting attention (and will no doubt be one of the excuses they will have for "why we lost the war" in due course) we can expect repeated Tony Snow attacks on their motives and integrity.

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» WAR RESISTER Posted by: rwa
errors
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 30, 2006 1:58 AM   
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This Iraq war is simply a huge pile of errors, each error bigger than the one that preceded it. Desertion has become a badge of honor because the war has become increasing dishonorable. The Bushies have created terror piled on top of terror. This is not a war against terror, it is a war for increasing terror. Stop terror by withdrawing from Iraq and by creating an elite international police force targeted to the single job of locating terrorist leaders and arresting them and prosecuting them. Do it legally and honestly without massive bombings and without torture. Be good guys instead of part of the problem. Impeach the baddest of the bad guys, the Bushies.

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Uh, we're not in a war, we're in an occupation mode.
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 30, 2006 4:31 AM   
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That would be the best and most clear reason to leave the army. Think about it. You wouldn't join the army in the first place if you knew that you were really being used as an occupying unit for and not a real freedom fighting soldier now would you? I seriously doubt most in the army would either. Limiting the debate to torture and violence alone is playing into the neoconservative frametrap which this article has done. Most of these authors don't understand that the deserters are actually making a point by delivering this simple message "Hey, I signed up to fight for freedom, not occupy a country to plunder more black gold !" It's long past time to unite the army against the neoconservative agenda not with it.

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A lack of understanding?
Posted by: fsquared on Nov 30, 2006 5:36 AM   
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I am a military member who happens to object to the strategic directions the action in Iraq has taken. Every day I hope to wake up to headlines that we are pulling out. I am tired of trips to Arlington for something that seems more and more like a black hole sucking us deeper and deeper into debt and death.

HOWEVER, when I read pieces like this one, and the comments posted about it, I cringe. I wonder if the author, or those he cites have ever served in the military. The 1903 study reads more like the disgruntled private soldier's sea-lawyer rhetoric than any substantive means for change. Military service requires sacrifice. We sacrifice some of the freedoms we would normally have in civilian life in order to be ready to protect the people of our country. To do otherwise would create anarchy and chaos in a profession that demands dependability. At the tactical level we cannot wonder whether Bob, Joe, or Lynn are going to stand beside us tomorrow. At the tactical level we believe in duty to our brothers and sisters in arms. At the strategic level, this country cannot afford to wonder whether it will have men and women standing in defense of its interests tomorrow.

But do not mistake that for unthinking lemming-like adherence to group think among military members. We are not the unthinking mob that you may imagine. Many military members struggle daily with decisions and orders they do not believe in. Our faith is sometimes shaken to its core when we perceive situations going badly. So why do we stay? Why do we not gang up and stage a huge mutiny? Because we know that if we did so, the country would be unprotected in the face of real threats.

The volunteer military exists because of a profound sense of duty. It is a sense of duty that transcends the individual. We serve because we believe that every single one of you deserve defense from threats that would endanger your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Encouraging desertion or mutiny among the military is NOT the answer to ending our involvement in Iraq. The second and third order consequences to such methods would be disastrous.

Find a way to convince (or force) the civilian leadership to pull us out of the quagmire. Do it without lies, half truths, or exaggerations. And do it without throwing the military baby out with the dirty bathwater.

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When the leadership betrays the troops, it's time to desert
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 30, 2006 6:43 AM   
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Think about it, especially if you're in the military and reading this. Every single interview with every soldier in Iraq I've heard includes the statement, "this sucks". You've got loyal citizens who signed up for the military in order to serve their country being used to boost corporate oil profits in a needless foreign occupation. That's NOT what this country stands for, and military members should get out now.

You want to go back to Iraq and have your best friend blown up by a roadside bomb? You want to lose your temper and shoot some children, and then have nightmares about it for the rest of your life? You want to get thrown out in the street with physical and mental injuries, like they did to all those Vietnam vets? All so some smug oil oligarch can praise your 'patriotism and sacrifice'?

Face it- the 'civilian leadership' of the military are a bunch of well-heeled corrupt plutocrats who don't mind sacrificing your lives for a few bucks and control of Iraqi oil. If they had stayed out of Iraq and focused on getting rid of the Taliban in Afghanistan, then things would be different. As things stand now, however, I'd say it's actually your patriotic duty to desert.

All those who say otherwise are either benefiting financially from the occupation or are living in a dream world. The occupation of Iraq is not keeping American citizens safer; it's actually creating a far more dangerous global situation than existed previously. Notice also that the oil plutocrats aren't sending their kids off to die for oil profits, either.

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The REAL heroes
Posted by: xbj on Nov 30, 2006 7:05 AM   
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The REAL heroes are those that, when the fatcats start a war scheme to steal trillions of dollars, simply DON'T SHOW UP.

As the 60's poster said it perfectly "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

The just side in any war is the side NOT MAKING ANY MONEY OFF IT. The side fighting for principle, at a horrendous cost.

The other side IS THE CAUSE of it IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Follow the MONEY to find the PERPS.

REAL heroes know this, and act accordingly.

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Whose list?
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Nov 30, 2006 7:09 AM   
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"The following list of military reforms was suggested in 1903" -- by whom? Theodore Roosevelt? Admiral Dewey? Eugene V. Debs? It kind of makes a difference. I'm curious, and as a veteran I don't recall most of those things bothering me at all.

Being in an occupation to benefit big business -- I can see how that affects morale.

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Beyond desertion
Posted by: sausage on Nov 30, 2006 7:59 AM   
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Desertion is an individual act of defiance which has traditionally been viewed as an act of cowardice. The age old punishment for deserters has been summary execution. The last execution of a deserter by the US Army was the celebrated case of Pvt. Eddie Slovik.

How far we have come.

But what really would be a show of courage in the face of orders to contudct an illegal war and occupation would be a unit mutiny. Merely 8,000 uniformed service personnal deserting will not stop the killing machine that is the Pentagon and the Bush administration. But a mutiny of the Army in Iraq could very well bring the whole house of cards that is the American government tumbling down.

Remember, World War I was not lost by the German Army in the field but by the mutiny of the common sailors of the North Sea Fleet.

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» RE: Beyond desertion Posted by: Conservasaurus
Finally!
Posted by: badkitty on Nov 30, 2006 8:13 AM   
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"And taking part in this war is illegal, whether you are ordered to do so or not." Yes, it is an illegal pre-emptive war of aggression. Let's not praise the soldiers taking part in this war/occupation or the military command structure. Is anyone arguing that our invasion of Iraq has made the United States or the world safer or more secure? What do you do to a group of people who deliberately and intentionally act in such a way as to harm you, and for no good reason (I refer to complete lack of WMDs used as an excuse for this invasion, and information about the lack of WMDs was general knowledge for anyone with a brain)? My 89 year old mother in law volunteers for a group which helps soldiers (and their families) who want to go AWOL, and she says the phone rings off the hook. I will support any soldier who refuses to serve in Iraq, but as for those that do (like the ones I see in the puff pieces on the news), don't underestimate my anger about their service (and boy, is that using the term loosely!). If they want to defend the United States, Iraq is the wrong place to do it. They are endangering their country, not defending it.

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In Service of Treason
Posted by: edhowes on Nov 30, 2006 8:20 AM   
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It is a well established legal principle a contract entered into under conditions of fraud is null and void and has no legal force. Aside from frequently fraudulent recruiting practices plied on young people who have not been taught their arse from their elbow when it comes to law or history, the Loyalty Oath is a fraud on its face and it is sprung on unsuspecting ("Raise your right hand and repeat after me") recruits who cannot possibly know what it means except they have sworn an oath of some kind and must now do as they are told by those who outrank them and "know" what is best. There is no one now serving in the military who can tell you what it means to support and defend the U.S. Constitution, most have never studied. They have no means to identify enemies, foreign or domestic or they would refuse to serve domestic traitors such as the Commander-in-Chief, who aided the escape of thousands of Al Qaeda from Konduz, Afghanistan in November 2001, as reported by Seymour Hersh on a PBS NOW with Bill Moyers program on 21, Feb.,2003. Not only did George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and the entire chain of command down to the field commanders of Delta Force at Konduz; betray the people and U.S. Constitution over several days of a Pakistani airlift of Al Qaeda to safety in Pakistan, these men betrayed the whole world.

Weeks after perhaps millions of people around the world learned of this incident, which was not called treason on the program, George was invading Iraq. As punishment for his treason, America re elected him and now wants to slap him on the wrist with impeachment.

The entire U.S. Armed Forces have been in the service of a traitor for five years because the only part of the Loyalty Oath which they uphold is loyalty to the Commander -in- Chief. To serve a traitor is to be a traitor. But if that's OK with the American people and the United States Congress, it is OK with me. Tthe only honor left to Americans today is to withdraw all support of treason and form a NEW GOVERNMENT. While people die by the millions, the U.S. Government uses the Constitution for toilet paper and it is business as usual.

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Posted by: rwa on Nov 30, 2006 8:41 AM   
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If you or someone you know has questions about GI rights or seek an honorable discharge under military authority, visit:
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Gang America
Posted by: philobat on Nov 30, 2006 8:42 AM   
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The military (any in the world) is nothing but a sanctioned and legal street gang. There is no difference. Since the creation of nuclear weapons and biological weapons, there is no need for soldiers. It is the most cowardly and cruel act to brainwash young people into believing that "to be all you can be" is a good thing, when infact, it means your just a murderer.

They should print up a brochure that say's "We will teach you how to torture and kill people we don't like and we will even pay you to do it!" But if you get hurt in the process...your pretty much on your own!

I wonder how many people would sign up?

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My oath of office is to the CONSTITUTION.
Posted by: fsquared on Nov 30, 2006 10:41 AM   
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I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

In case you wonder where that oath came from: Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962. In other words, we, the people, elected a congress who enacted legislation on our behalf requiring military allegiance to the constitution. Pay attention to that. The president has powers as commander-in-chief to order military action. But we are not responsible to him (or her). Congress has the power to declare war. But we are not responsible to Congress nor are we responsible to the Supreme Court. We are not even responsible to fickle public opinion. We are responsible to uphold the constitution.

And that is what we do. Do we find ourselves facing tough ethical and moral crossroads in upholding that oath? Of course we do. Some situations are impossibly convoluted.

I follow the lawful orders of those appointed over me. I do my best to give lawful orders to those I am in charge of leading. I speak up when I disagree with an action. But I also shut up and move out smartly when ordered otherwise. To do differently will destroy the fabric of discipline that binds the military man or woman to our trade. If I cannot act on an order out of moral or ethical concern for the constitution, I will take my leave of the military. If I must do that outside of lawful means (i.e. desertion), then I will do so knowing I must accept the consequences for taking such a stand, as some have done already. I will not, however, subborn the leadership above me and attempt to recruit a mutiny. I will not commit a treasonous act against my oath above.

You should not suppose that many military members are not struggling mightily with moral and ethical issues on a daily basis, whether regarding Iraq or elsewhere. You should not suppose that we have not considered alternative actions, and that our military leaders do not voice dissenting opinions. We are not automatons. We ARE YOU! We are not anything other than U.S. citizens, sworn to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States.

It is a duty that we are prepared to die for if necessary. One does not discard that duty lightly. It simply isn't the same thing as quitting your civilian job when you don't like your boss's unpopular project. Do not cheapen our commitment by asking us to do exactly that. The greatness of the constitution so carefully framed by our forefathers transcends momentary issues in time like Iraq.

If, as some have argued, the Iraq war is illegal and unconstitutional, let us private citizens work to end it. But do not advocate a second and far more grave threat to the constitution by encouraging mutiny and thereby leaving it unprotected. In doing so you ask the impossible of the duty-sworn military member, whether or not they agree with you on the question of Iraq.

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?????
Posted by: fsquared on Nov 30, 2006 11:02 AM   
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"There is no one now serving in the military who can tell you what it means to support and defend the U.S. Constitution, most have never studied. "

What a singularly patronizing and ignorant remark!

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Resistance is far more courageous than following orders of liars and thieves
Posted by: Frank J Ranelli on Nov 30, 2006 11:14 AM   
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After almost four years now, the United States has engaged in a pre-emptive war of choice in Iraq. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent, hundreds of thousands of lives have been senselessly lost, and two countries – Iraq and ours – are now near hopelessly torn apart. This begets a few queries such as when and if do we start asking our troops to make moral choices against an immoral war? At what point does the military – and therefore the troops themselves – bear some responsibility for following “unlawful orders?” When the military is no longer defending the Constitution, our borders or our people – engaged in an act of a baseless and pointless war – do we ask them to make a “moral choice” and rise up in opposition to the continuance of a crime against humanity?

Our current President, George W. Bush, engaged in a concerted and unified effort to deceive Congress and the American people. He lied that Iraq was a threat and that Iraq not only possessed weapons of mass destruction, but also their intent was to cause us immediate and pernicious harm. George W. Bush did so willingly, and with great malice. This is a violating of his oath of office and in doing so also violated the Constitution. Even after incontrovertible evidence showed his massive dishonesty, he furthered and continued a "war of choice" and used mass propaganda and lies to ask others to engage in his crimes against the United States and humanity. These actions are tantamount to sedition and treason and can no longer be discussed in the context of dubiousness but irrefutable facts.

In the path of Bush’s treacherous exploitations in Iraq rests the uncomfortable question of whether those that continue to engage in anticipatory warfare, support, justify, or approve of such egregiousness are guilty too of sedition or are they “just following orders?” Where is the proverbial line that must never be crossed – from justifiable defense to transgressions against humanity – and how do we define it? As nation, are we so full of hubris, patriotic pride, and inerrant beliefs in our nation that we cannot see through the eyes of the people of Iraq that we may have already crossed that “proverbial line?” If we cannot at least indulge that thought, we are on a fast track to fascism and more hegemonic, imperialist wars for political and profiteering gain for a chosen, aristocratic few.

When our troops begin to lack any sense of appreciation for human life, often due to and after multiple tours in hell, is it not our place to tell them they do have choices? These soldiers do indeed have a choice. Every human being has the power of choice. Maybe this is waxing philosophically, but if we all stopped believing in the impossible, so much in the world that is possible today simply would not be in existence now. Solemnly, we must now ask this – in the same way that over 3,000 conscientious objectors already have, laid down their weapons and refuse to follow “unlawful orders” – what would happen if “All 140,000 men and women serving in Iraq exercised their right to chose life over mayhem, butchery, and death?” There is nothing cowardice about what this suggests, for it takes far more bravery to stand up to evil and defy it, than to destroy, maim, and kill people. The ability to resist is far more courageous than the compliance to follow orders of liars, criminals, and despots.

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Crimes Against Humanity or “Just Following Orders”?

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» Of liars and thieves . . . and deserters? Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
some random thoughts
Posted by: Trazom on Nov 30, 2006 12:26 PM   
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After reading all the above posts I cannot but help come to the conclusion that most major US wars (including Iraq) post dating WWII have been spawned more out of fear than from pure defensive purposes. That is not to say that there weren't real dangers posed during any of these conflicts, just that there may have been better ways to cope than through premature military action.

That being said, I agree that if you signed up to be a volunteer in the reserves, then you should fulfill that obligation and not abandon your post. You took the plunge, and you agreed that you would be ready to go to work for your country. Desertion will only break the military chain of command, as been said numerous times before, putting either your or your buddies or both at risk during times of battle.

The ultimate patriotic decision is to decide to sign up in the first place, or in the case of draft, whether to be a consicentious objector and face the consequences. I feel that after (or more aptly if) the Iraq conflict is settled, the army reserves will see a sizeable slide in new recruits anyhow (from true believers), which will put the pressure on even greater recruitment efforts. I honestly believe there will never be a draft, because too many people will object after this conflict, and there wouldn't be enough jail space to house them all. Not going to happen. Unfortunately it is economics that still dictates a large percentage of the people signing up for the reserves, and as the economy worsens for the poor and middle class this will help fuel the reserves.

What bothers me most is the military chain of command mantra that must be followed in order to achieve success and reduce soldier fatalities. Orders must be followed, but we must be aware of the consequences. On other shores, our soldiers are in hostile enemy territory, often scared, and need direction to combat the enemy. They cannot take more than a second or two to reason out a response that requires split-second action, else he or someone in his unit loses his life. But I wonder, what if the action were here in our streets, in America? Hypothetically speaking, what if a soldier is ordered to shoot his mother, or brother, or sister, or whomever, because that person is involved in a mutiny against say, the US government? Is it still the solider's duty to carry out the action? How many soldiers will follow orders when it becomes that personal? Does it make that soldier unpatriotic to put down his weapon? If you answer "no", then don't you also agree that that man he shot in Iraq might have been someone's brother, or father, or son? Then what is the difference?

Logically you can either believe in killing or no killing. There cannot be any choice in between. To take a stand in between is either dishonest or hypocritical.

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» RE: some random thoughts Posted by: pedex
STOP THE WAR - DON'T ENLIST!
Posted by: truthteller on Nov 30, 2006 12:47 PM   
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I have been pushing for a campaign to call for this for almost 2 years, including buttonholing Operation Code Pink officials at the DC Greenfest. They have said they push for young people not to enlist, but I have yet to see any evidence of it. I have been told that it is unrealistic to expect the poor and immigrant youth who are the primary targets of recruitment to go without the work and pay that comes from joining the military. I've even been accused of being out of my mind - you'll cause a draft! (Fine, then let's have the debate.) But by-golly, you've got to start somewhere, and starving the war machine of canon fodder seems as good a place as any. You can't fight a war without soldiers, and a one year boycott of military enlistment should bring 'em to their knees. We should be able to convince a large number of high school students to flip burgers for that much longer. The Army needs what, 35K bodies a month to meet their quota? How many ads, protests in front of recruitment centers and high schools is it going to take to dog the recruiters back inside. Can we force the MSM to accept paid advertisements against joining up?

I'm picky about what I give to, but I would surely give to a stop enlistment campaign. How about it?

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A lot of decent, honorable people enlisted after 9/11
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Nov 30, 2006 4:34 PM   
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expecting to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan. Then they got caught up in Bush's unrelated obsession.

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Pity the Soldiers, Expendable Pawns, God Help Them All
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 30, 2006 6:45 PM   
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Today's soldiers have become pawns for politicians who want to use the military for "strategic objectives" or in GW Bushes case, "to export democracy." Now, tell me, just what do 140,000 soldiers fighting 12,000 miles away in Iraq have to do with self-defense or defending America? Like Vietnam before them, just what are they fighting for? It is almost like the Roman Legions of centuries ago who were spread across Europe for the Empire. So, some brainwashed kids go into the military believing the nonsense like "fighting for democracy," until they see the face of war and they become disillusioned when they see America is only in it for its own "strategic objectives," or really for the elites who own the government and the country. The soldier then realizes he or she is but a disposable pawn, to be swept away into a nursing home after the legs or arms are blown off. Pity them all. And, especially pity the brainwashed "special forces" guys. Operating clandestinally across the world, once again for USA "strategic objectives." Schooled and educated in the "science of war." Until they kill or are killed for nothing more then the bottom line of Chevron, Texaco and Halliburton. As for desertion, what else can one do when realizing the truth? Perhaps if you split they will track you down and send you to war anyway, but better to lose your life then your soul.

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Pity the Soldiers, Expendable Pawns, God Help Them All
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 30, 2006 6:45 PM   
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Today's soldiers have become pawns for politicians who want to use the military for "strategic objectives" or in GW Bushes case, "to export democracy." Now, tell me, just what do 140,000 soldiers fighting 12,000 miles away in Iraq have to do with self-defense or defending America? Like Vietnam before them, just what are they fighting for? It is almost like the Roman Legions of centuries ago who were spread across Europe for the Empire. So, some brainwashed kids go into the military believing the nonsense like "fighting for democracy," until they see the face of war and they become disillusioned when they see America is only in it for its own "strategic objectives," or really for the elites who own the government and the country. The soldier then realizes he or she is but a disposable pawn, to be swept away into a nursing home after the legs or arms are blown off. Pity them all. And, especially pity the brainwashed "special forces" guys. Operating clandestinally across the world, once again for USA "strategic objectives." Schooled and educated in the "science of war." Until they kill or are killed for nothing more then the bottom line of Chevron, Texaco and Halliburton. As for desertion, what else can one do when realizing the truth? Perhaps if you split they will track you down and send you to war anyway, but better to lose your life then your soul.

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you coward...you servant...you blindman
Posted by: Torgo on Nov 30, 2006 7:32 PM   
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Life planned out before my birth, nothing could I say
Had no chance to see myself, molded day by day
Looking back I realize, nothing have I done
Left to die with only friend
Alone I clench my gun


Words of wisdom from Metallica

"Disposable Heroes" is a song that pulls no punches. It expresses the slight regard that we productive civilian taxpayers should have for those who willingly sell themselves into slavery. I sure as shit could have used further financial assistance with my student loans after I earned my doctorate, but being a historically and politically aware man of self-esteem who values liberty I refused enticements to enlist in the military and thus continue to live off of taxpayers.

To quote Sonny Corleone, "Your country ain't your blood." So I'm neither a sap nor a servant, nor a blindman. I do, however, "support the troops" when the men with guns threaten me with prison unless I pay my taxes, but that's about it, and I don't apologize for that.

From "Ayn Rand Answers": Napoleon was once asked: "Sir, you are the greatest military genius in existence; what would you do in this situation?" The questioner then described a completely hopeless military situation, to which there is no solution. Napoleon replied: "I became the greatest military genius in the world by never getting into such a situation."

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AVOID ALL THE LEGAL WRANGLING......
Posted by: ALANHESTER on Dec 1, 2006 7:38 AM   
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.....and don't enlist in the first place. I spend a lot of time convincincing young people not to even consider the military anymore. T

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thanks for all the comments
Posted by: davidswanson on Dec 1, 2006 8:37 AM   
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It's great to see such a good discussion following an article i wrote. And it's great to see so much support for honoring the courage of resisters.

I'm not willing to call tens of thousands of other people i haven't met cowards however. Many of them have many good reasons for not having yet taken the very courageous step of resisting.

On another site, several posters raised this issue, and i posted this:

It's a topic that's hard to cover in a short essay. The real criminals here are Bush, Cheney, and gang. They ordered troops into an illegal war, lied to them about it, lied to the world about it. There's no need to blame the troops for it. Rather, we should apologize to them, for sending them to fight and in many cases to be injured or killed in an illegal war for profit and power.

At the same time, we must praise those who see through the lies and see themselves in a position from which they can desert, as the Pentagon says 8,000 have, or resist publicly, as many have done: see this message from United for Peace and Justice on this. See this message from Iraq Veterans Against the War. See my article tomorrow on www.Alternet.org

I understand that praising those who desert sounds like criticism of those who don't. I don't criticize people for not being heroes. That's dreaming. At the same time, we must praise heroes when they come along. Those who do not desert or resist may be brave and well-intentioned. They just haven't gone a huge step beyond.

I understand that praising those who desert sounds like a recipe for destroying the military. I don't think it is. I think it's a recipe for ending illegal imperialistic crimes. If we ever fought a war in defense, recruitment would nto be a problem and desertion would hardly be an issue.

__________

and later this:

No I did not
mean to imply they lacked courage
some no doubt do
some lack information and understanding
some see their duties to their families as conflicting with resisting the war
some see their duties to their buddies as conflicting with it
some think it's more important to obey a criminal order for the sake of obedience and discipline than it is to disobey it
they have not done the particular heroic thing i was simply trying to get away with praising -- they have thousands of reasons why not
i haven't done it either
Now, you say you admire Watada. I don't infer from that that you believe all other service men and women are cowardly swine. Why should I?
But you're going to tell me that tens of thousands of people you've never met are universally motivated by a thought of serving the greater good? I'm sure many are and many are not, some are as the result of a brilliant analysis, some have given it hardly a thought, some are torn and undecided, some are firmly sure of their position, some believe Iraq blew up the World Trade Center, some believe politics doesn't matter and the important thing is to do your job, some get such sadistic pleasure out of raping and murdering that they'd just as soon the war last for decades, some have suffered so much in the war already they're afraid of how the other world will look to them and treat them, some have no job prospects and can count on being screwed by our government, some are torn by guilt, some are torn by what their parents would think of them -- these are people and they all have different stories -- and I have never met most of them and couldn't call them cowards in any meaningful sense if i wanted to


PEACE,
David

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Funny
Posted by: Cthulhu on Dec 1, 2006 9:09 AM   
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4. All the food a soldier wishes to eat, instead of being limited as at present, to an inadequate 'ration.'
- This unrealistic when your on a mission. Maybe we could have a lunch truck follow our special forces around. It could even sound its horn when lunch is ready!
5. Absolute amnesty to all deserters from the army and navy.
- So if you’re in the middle of a firefight you can cut tail and run with out any repercussions. I bet the enemy would love this reform!
6. The erection of modern sanitary buildings at all places where troops are quartered.
- Once again, unrealistic when they’re on a mission. Are they going to carry modern sanitary buildings on there back? They could helicopter in Dipper Dans!
8. Abolition of military salutes and all other imbecile and servile practices.
- This is to keep discipline within the ranks, which you need on the battle field.

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An Army Of One (More Deserter)
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Dec 1, 2006 3:21 PM   
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So there you have it. This article epitomizes what's wrong with our military (goals and objectives, perhaps). Our country calls on our soldiers to fight and this latest excursion into the Middle East was based on lies about Iraq buying uranium and having WMDs, eh Herr Bush?
A soldier will fight given a soild reason, but this war we started was unnecessary and very costly.
And now we have to stomach these army commercials from clean-cut young men. They don't tell the truth.
What the Pentagon won't reveal is that they have an Army of One-all right-an army of one more deserter. And there's nothing the army can do to halt the flight from its ranks. The brass won't have them shot, so soldiers do have a conscience. And people do change their minds if something isn't working. It's time to call it a day and bring these soldiers home.

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A good sentence
Posted by: Rolomax on Dec 1, 2006 10:00 PM   
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'If we ever fought a war in defense, recruitment would not be a problem and desertion would hardly be an issue.'

Well said.

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Albert Einstein:
Posted by: rwa on Dec 2, 2006 9:44 AM   
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" The poineers of a warless world are the youth to refuse to join the military".- Albert Einstein

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Personal responsibility
Posted by: lamar on Dec 5, 2006 2:54 PM   
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You sign up for the Army, you do your tour. That's personal responsibility. Whining that they didn't uphold their end of the bargain is for housewives and little girls. Sorry B.

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