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The N-Word. Is It Ever OK to Say?

By Derek Jennings, Carolina Independent Weekly. Posted November 29, 2006.


N**ga, Please! One black man gives his take on where "niggas" come from and where the word is going.
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Nigger.

Without question, this is the most loaded word in the English language. Six letters. Say it three times and you've got the number of the beast. Forged white-hot in the fires of hell, that word has, for half a millennia, been seared into the collective psyche of black people in America. N-I-G-G-E-R. Though buried under layers of keloidal scars, those letters still ache and throb like a recent burn, a painful, disfiguring memento of our past -- an unhealed wound on the souls of black folk.

This is "hate speech" -- an entirely different category from your garden-variety cuss words. When you get down to it, there's very little inherent rationale for the taboo status of words like "shit" and "fuck." They're just combinations of letters, rarely used literally, that we've learned to be offended by. Nonetheless, I try not to piss people off without a good reason, and so, heretical linguistic leanings aside, I tailor my speech to the sensibilities of the reader/listener.

What makes me really uncomfortable, though, is "nigger" and its cousin, "nigga." I generally don't F wit' the N-word(s). I'm quick to playfully deride those who euphemize regular curse words (saying "Darn" when we and they know damn well they meant "Damn"). But I'm so self-conscious about ni**er that even when writing it, I generally self-censor, adding asterisks. As if that makes a bit of darned difference.

The reason for my discomfort? Words like nigger, and hate speech, in general, have an added dimension of meaning, a historical intent to cause harm, communicate a threat or symbolize a power dynamic. There's a saying that goes, "It ain't what you call me, it's what I answer to." In the not-too-distant past, black folks had no control over what others called us, and reflexively, we co-opted the N-word, fashioning myriad alternative meanings and usages of it in an attempt to take the sting out of it. That's why the N-word is so unique among hate speech -- it's now used most frequently by the very people it was meant to oppress.

The word now simultaneously connotes a subhuman, inferior species worthy of scorn and death, and yet it is also used synonymously with friend, or, depending on inflection, best friend. Which is problematic.

"Nigger," I can talk about easily enough -- it's a mirror held up against the sins of white folk, a case study of pathology and human deprivation.

"Nigga," on the other hand, is like chitlins. I understand where it came from and why it exists, but damn, can't we do better by now? "Nigga" is dirty laundry. "Nigga" is a window on the conflictedness of our people. Not that we don't have a right to be conflicted. Shit. We reserve that right.

Nigger.

I first heard the term as a child. I'm not sure exactly where I was, it may have been the playground, but I recall hearing it in a "black on black" context, as in don't "act like a nigger." I grew up in a small, mixed, but mostly African-American town in South Jersey. I remember using it my first time and being chided by my uncle, Gregory, who told me it was a bad word. "Why?" I remember asking. He told me, using a definition he'd no doubt gotten from Grammom Wilson (my maternal great-grandmother), that a nigger is an "ignorant person."

Hmm ... I didn't know a whole lot about niggers, but I'd heard that they looked like me, so I needed clarification. "Can white people be niggers?" I asked. "Yep," he said. "White people can be niggers." Made sense to me. I didn't say the word again, and my curiosity was satisfied.

My father had a, shall we say, more pragmatic approach to the N-word. By the time I was in junior high, he added to my knowledge of the N-word. He grew up in Columbus, Ohio, in a black neighborhood, but attended an almost all-white Catholic high school. He played several sports, and often found himself to be only one of two or three black people in the gym or stadium, let alone the court or field. He'd hear the word thrown at him by opposing fans and players, and would take out his frustrations using the game, itself, affirming his right to exist via a stiff elbow, a crushing block or punishing tackle.

My dad grew up in the late '50s and early '60s, and white folks was bold. A few made the mistake of calling him a nigger to his face, on the street. His response to the challenge was direct: "You see a nigger? Then kick his ass," he'd tell them, fists clenched and ready to connect with someone's jaw. Whether the confrontation led to a fight or not, it always ended with the offending party rethinking his terminology.

Growing up in the '70s and '80s, in a black neighborhood, I never had to deal with that type of situation. My experiences with the word were as different from my father's, as his were from my wife's maternal grandfather, who grew up in Southern Virginia. As a young woman, when she'd walk with him through downtown Baltimore, she'd be furious at the unconscious deference that he, a proud black man and a war veteran, paid to white people. He'd avert his eyes, look down, or move out of the way, when they'd approach from the opposite direction on the sidewalk.


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Disgusting
Posted by: Intraspecto on Nov 29, 2006 12:13 AM   
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I think that portarying the word nigger as either a symbol of a people (IE as with gansta rappers) or as a racial slur is wrong, just as whitey, cracker, or any other racial slur.

We all have the same DNA right?

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still
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 29, 2006 12:54 AM   
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Racism is still alive in the USA though every year it decreases a very little bit. It is part of the different-looking, different acting, different speaking, different history scenario. Maybe someday all Americans can be proud of all other Americans so that we can really have a democracy with freedom and justice for all. Until then be very aware that we still need a lot of progressive change to end the screw ups of corporations and governments.

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Wiggaz?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 29, 2006 2:21 AM   
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That's funny. Spoiled white kids who wear baggy pants, puffy jackets, and ski hats while spending their parents' money at the mall.

The N word (and/or variations) will always be actively with us. We have a love/hate relationship with things we love to hate, like bad words, Janet Jackson's breasts, Michael Jackson, gays, Kramer's video rant...

And the rappers will always need ways to shock and annoy us so the Wiggaz will buy their records and watch their videos...using their parents' money.

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not about black but Green
Posted by: edith on Nov 29, 2006 3:34 AM   
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the language/clothing street culture issue is not about A.Americans.
It's about marketing.

Hip Hop is Crap.

A monotonous chant designed and marketed by Japanese, German, Dutch, British and Jewish owned and manged meida companies.

50 cent is a hired hand.

So N_______ is exactly what the real bosses think of him and all the other phony fools who pose as "real".

Suckas.

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move it along
Posted by: schnoggi on Nov 29, 2006 3:44 AM   
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"Nigger" isn't going to leave the language anytime soon, you can't crush it. I think the only realistic option is to change its meaning. Doesn't mean you have to use it. I think it could mean anyone who through ignorance lets themselves be played or exploited, particularly if that ignorance is willful, and even arrogant. Bush is clearly a nigger to special interests, one of the worst ever. He thinks Iraqis are his niggers to burn. Anyone who makes niggers of others is the worst kind of nigger there is. Keep it contemptuous, and if others insist on clinging to past racial meanings of the word, move out of punching range and tell them that's their problem, you have a different plan. Good luck with that; victims of abuse cling to their pain like a life raft, and will fight you hard to keep it. Allowing only other blacks to use the word nigga, well, sorry, that most certainly makes you one dumb fucking nigger, it keeps it most essentially a racist word, and therein lies its true evil. Using it as a racial epithet says one and only one thing: the speaker is one dumb nigger, to the bone.

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It depends upon what you mean.
Posted by: colinmeister on Nov 29, 2006 3:49 AM   
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As a white immigrant to the USA, I was unused to hearing the word "Nigger", except in archaic childrens' rhymes and as part of the Agatha Christie book title "Ten little niggers". That all changed when I arrived in Chicago.

I heard "Nigger" regularly used by blue collar whites in a negative way to refer to black people. I also soon learned that this word was generally hated by black people.

I finally asked a white man what a "Nigger" was, and he came up with the explanation that a nigger was a person who had lots of children, did not work, and lived on welfare. The children "Young niggers?" were likely to become involved in street gang activity such as selling illegal drugs and other petty crime.

"Wouldn't that include some white people?" I asked. "You don't have to be black to be a nigger" was the reply.

By that definition, the word "Nigger" is used to categorise a social and economic underclass. I don't use the word.

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a rising tide?
Posted by: jsheeler on Nov 29, 2006 3:53 AM   
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after posting some thoughts about kramer's outburst on my blog (nycpoetz.blogspot.com), i received some furious replies and some thoughtful ones, the most interesting of which was from an African-American man who wrote a book called "Bury that Sucka!" which speaks to the same issues raised by Derek Jennings in this post. and, as a wordsmith, i have to commend Mr. Jennings' creation of a new term (or, at least a term i've never heard before): nigganess.

seems clear that the question has been called and the tolerance for the "n-word" within the black community is just about worn out -- whether it's niggers or niggas or niggaz. thank god the word is finally out of the closet and open for discussion on both sides! my problem with it, as a white (or, at least, apparently white) woman has been the inherent racism in one ethnic group being forbidden that word while another gets a free pass to use it at will. i welcomed Mr. Jennings' perspective in asking that the white community back off from the n-word while the black community figures out what direction it wants to take in relation to that term. finally, an explanation that makes sense, is relevant, and not just based on a we-can/you-can't mentality.

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Words
Posted by: cul on Nov 29, 2006 3:54 AM   
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While Michael Richard's is taking his predictable beat-down for his racially loaded public flip-out, this is the most rational and informative response I've heard yet on the N-word topic. Thanks for the insights and kudos for the great writing.

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Either you are of European Ancestry, or "Your a Peon" ancestry
Posted by: Cousin Jack on Nov 29, 2006 5:41 AM   
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That is what I call the White Kristian idea of equality. They are Europeans and they too give the rest of us equality by saying "Your a Peon" too.
Impeach Cheney,that will be an excellent start to get rid of the rasicm that runs AMerica. The LOTT of Congress has to go. He is part of the "Good ol Boy" network who just hang around like a bad "bag of wind." It amazes me that a large percentage of Americans pay the wages, through taxes, of government workers who literally hate us. The White Supremacists are the cowards of America. YO CUZ

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gonzalo1993
Posted by: gonzalo1939 on Nov 29, 2006 5:50 AM   
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I have used the "N" word on occasion, but only in an ironic or satirical sense, and only with people I am sure would understand my intention. But when I do, I generally use it to mean the down-trodden, the oppressed, the "other" whom the majority disdain or despise. For example, more than 20 years ago, I said "The message of the 1980 (Reagan) election was, "Get the niggers." Meaning not just black people, but brown people, gays, leftie Jews, etc.--in other word, troublemakers. Remember the Lennon-Ono song, "Woman is nigger of the world"? I generally use it in that sense. Does anyone see it that way?

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Entitled
Posted by: mcubert on Nov 29, 2006 5:52 AM   
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"Not that we don't have a right to be conflicted. Shit. We reserve that right."

There's your problem right there, pal.

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That Roaring Sound? A Standing Ovation....
Posted by: Nez46 on Nov 29, 2006 6:04 AM   
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For Jennings, who provided perhaps the finest discourse on this issue I've ever read. Mega-kudos to you, fine sir, for bringing clarity and understanding to so many of us ignorant SOBs out here who wander through life dumbed down by the socio/cultural stupidity that permeates our country.

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Of course it's ok...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 29, 2006 6:14 AM   
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...if you don't mind sounding like an idiot,...(comma, wait for it...) "bitches"!

Seriously, though, it is possible to make a distinction between an idiot who uses such language jovially or without intentional, personal malice, and an idiot who uses the same sort of language with venom and malicious zeal. Obviously, being a malicious, venomous idiot is much worse than being an idiot simply ignorant of or uninterested in basic social norms. It goes almost without saying, however, that for most practical purposes--i.e. "we don't tolerate such language in this establishment, goodbye"--simply establishing that someone behaves so should be sufficient; sorting idiots becomes academic.

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Which Side Are You On?
Posted by: wbblack on Nov 29, 2006 6:15 AM   
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I’m a wigger and proud of it. Not because I listened to rap -- maybe KRS, Public Enemy sometimes. For me, it’s like the old song says, “Which Side Are You On?” While most of us white folk have the knife 5 inches in our backs, most black folks have it 8 inches in their back. On the other end of the knife is the same scumbag, ruling class, powers that be, what ever you want to call them. Black and white are social constructions. They have no meaning from a scientific perspective. Genetics has proven that there is no difference between the so-called “races.” I’ve been thinking and writing about race and racism for a long time. Pretty much since I began unlearning what my father taught me.

Most black folk I know think I’m pretty cool for a narrow ass, but I wouldn’t use the “n word.” I might write in a story, but saying it just ain’t right. It ain’t right for black folk either. My one friend used to call me his “nigga.” I used to call him my "white trash." I’m glad my man reached out to “mixed company.” This is something we need to think about and discuss.


WWBLACK

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» RE: Which Side Are You On? Posted by: drmflorida
Race and all the prejudice....
Posted by: Zemiti on Nov 29, 2006 6:22 AM   
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Feelings and expressions of racial prejudice also reflect OTHER peoples's mental and emotional deficiences, inadequacies and incapacity to cope with, adapt to and better able to interpret the ever changing dynamics of the world around them! It shows up the extent of their spiritual bankruptcy, challenged cognitive aptitude and how crudely primitive their make up is. Taunting one another in use of these expressions reflects the deep-seated desire and wish to transcend and defeat the ongoing pain that these slurs cause, thereby underlining the extent to which people have become victims. On the other hand, by having fun with these words, and changing their meaning in broadening their application attests in a way to a victory and triumph over their adverse effect; it does not hurt anymore, it won't keep me down or hold me back anymore! I am no longer the victim!! In a greater sense, it heralds people's victory and intelligence in leaving the bigots behind to swim and remain trapped in their own muck. Also, it underscores the greater spiritual maturity, mental and emotional intelligence of the new generation on "Niggers". Who is smarter now??...

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museonit
Posted by: joeshmo on Nov 29, 2006 6:43 AM   
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I am an old white guy and I like Snoop Dogg songs. what happens if I sing a song and repeat the "n" word? Am I a racist or ignorant? Or just awhite guy singing along. Are all rap tunes with the "n" word off limits at a kareoke bar for white, brown, red or green people? I feel as a white guy that I am being deprived of the pleasure of singing along with one of my favorite kinds of music!

Is it not racism to write and sing songs that are only able to be sung safely by certain colors of people, because if other people sing the song and a person of the other color (who are allowed to sing the song all day long over and over without trouble) hears the white man singing the song of a different colored person, that white man will be the object of anger, even though he is appreciating the "n" word music.

museonit

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» RE: museonit Posted by: caitlin
WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU CAN'T GET ANY LAUGHS ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 29, 2006 6:43 AM   
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Richards should have been able to handle a 'heckler' without dragging him into a fight. He's pissed off because he just isn't funny. So he found another way to get attention. It's not
about offending people. It's Richards' need for attention when he can no longer make us laugh. He's desperate and pathetic. Not a reason to mouth off they way he did. Let's not get carried away. Does anyone want a law against Richard Pryor? I think not. Thanks, ANNA

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Message Learned
Posted by: Jimbo on Nov 29, 2006 6:57 AM   
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What I learned from this article. If one is black it is bad but permissable to say nigga. If one is white then use of the word nigga will result in a "beatdown". Thanks for educating me author. I think I have experienced an epiphany.

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» RE: Message Learned Posted by: kateoneill
marcos
Posted by: marcos on Nov 29, 2006 6:58 AM   
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I think this is an interesting article. I can undertstand. Living here (USA) others see me as a Spic, beaner, wetback, and I've been asked plenty of times where's my stash of weed and cocaine!!! At work everyone is black execpt me. Interesting.

People can't pronounce my name, think I like black beans and tacos, listen to Shakira, admire fascists like Mel Martinez and Alberto Gonzalez. And gringos don't like to here me talk about the US. And that goes across the color line folks.

Oh ja ju alweys tel mi hou gud my eenglis ees. Dude you don't have an accent.

I know this dude who's a haitianamerican and went to school with cubans in Miami who hate the word spic, I grew up in Chicago and never realized I was looking down when whites came close.

back in colombia, where I was born it's not nigger or spic, it's indio. And here I've spoken to indians who have pretty wild stories.

I even have a gay latino friend who once created an organization called SPIC, Spanish People Involved in the Community. But even then I had ask: are we Spanish cause we speak spanish?

I just wanted to throw this out there y Que Viva Zapata Cabrones!!!!

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» RE: marcos Posted by: moflard
RE: ACE&GENDER==DIVIDE&RULE-->the FakeLeft is all about black&white so the rich can keep their GREEN!
Posted by: drmflorida on Nov 29, 2006 7:33 AM   
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Your right. The overclass so badly wants the fractured groups of oppressed populations to find solidarity and unite against their common foe. It is the only way they can prevail, if we work together instead of against each other. What flawless logic, why didn't I see it before? We should ignore women's issues, because they're only 51% of the population. We should stop worrying about racism because that isn't really a problem and never was. We should abandon values of fairness and equality because they are counter to our real objective: dividing the working class. Why didn't I see that before? Its our own fault that we have made such advances in humanism, quality of life and civility! If we don't turn back the clock, who will?

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I Disagree
Posted by: R.I.P. on Nov 29, 2006 7:33 AM   
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I think the most loaded word in the English (and any other) language is: God.

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So true, Alternet should be making articles on important issues front page, not frivolous hot button
Posted by: NDnative on Nov 29, 2006 7:39 AM   
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social issues such as guns, abortion, gays, race, etc ... The progressives would do well to spend their earned capital wisely, NOT on frivolous hot button issues.

P.S.: Charlie WRangelE has announced that he'll keep the Paris Hilton Tax Cuts in place and let the Bush
"tax cuts" stay the course !

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» Like Racism isn't a serious issue...... Posted by: Thetorganization
context is important
Posted by: Ghoulman on Nov 29, 2006 7:40 AM   
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I saw "Kramers" stupid crap, but right after seeing "Jesus is Magic" the brilliant Sarah Silverman comedy show. Sarah makes just as racist remarks, but understands how silly it is. Kramer was trying to be hurtful.

In the context of the USA, a country with a RECENT history of slavery and to this day criminalizes and oppresses these same people for no other reason than being a different colour, using the N word to attack and hurt black folk is never acceptable to any moral person.

Twain people. Read Twain.

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Need someone to lead the charge
Posted by: kateoneill on Nov 29, 2006 7:51 AM   
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Thanks, Derek, for a well written, thoughtful essay.

In my undergraduate studies, I did a little digging around on the concept of self-identification and the reclaiming of marked terms like "nigger," "queer," and others. The point about allowing space for being conflicted is right-on, I think. And since the point of a word is to be a semantic package, efficiently stating an idea that most listeners should be able to interpret in a reasonably similar way, there's little value in words that mean such different things to different listeners.

Ultimately, though, it is voices from within a group that can promote widespread change, and too few prominent, credible voices have stepped up to question the value of "nigger." Hip-hop-savvy intellectuals such as Chuck D might be best poised to champion that movement. It would be wonderful to see efforts made to boost the self-esteem of generations of African American youth above and beyond the "gangsta" image institutionalized by the commercial rap music industry and its wealthy beneficiaries.

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No matter what, there will always be bad connotations, but...
Posted by: Thetorganization on Nov 29, 2006 7:53 AM   
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with any derogatory words or slurs aligned towards a specific racial/ethinic group, the person of said racial/ethnic group will take on those terms and use them amongst themselves as poking around, a "term of endearment", or something along those lines in an attempt to take the penultimate sting out of the word.

However, that doesn't change the historical meaning of the word at all in the common sense, because unless definitions are abridged, they still have the same connotations. No matter how you say it or spray it, "n*gger" is still a word laden with 500 years of hatred, lynchings, rape, murder, economic exploitation, and just general distrust towards humanity as a whole. You can't undo things like that because to do that would be a disservice to those who did suffer such injustices...like saying it never happened or things are much better now. They aren't. That word would of never reared it's head if it weren't for the atrocities of the past, but it's essential to remember them.



However, it's just a word in the long run. there are bigger issues than just something like this. Seriously. That'
s my opinion though.



FYI, there's no glib way for a white person to use this word. I'm not saying you can't, but essentially you shouldn't. There's a difference between a black person using this word without any serious epithets or meaning behind it and a white person using the "double standard" cop-out to jusitfy their usage. Coming from your unearned prvileged mouth after reaping the benefits of 500 years of black people's pain, it's nevr going to be funny, insightful, or ironic....just hateful.


Consider that first and foremost. because this word ain't going away, nor is anyone going to stop using it. Even if us as black people stopped using it, there will still be malicious white racists who will use it against us regardless.

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Sly Stone Said It Best
Posted by: roc on Nov 29, 2006 7:56 AM   
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"Don't call me nigger, whitey! Don't call me whitey, nigger!"

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Why are we so obsessed with words?
Posted by: yoursfaithfully on Nov 29, 2006 7:58 AM   
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What Kramer said might be problematic, but given that this week we've had a number of police shootings of unarmed blacks, who really gives a fuck about some stupid words?

The media loves to paint people who say "nigger" as racist, but people who oppose affirmative action, tear apart the welfare system, economically starve inner cities, oppose school funding, oppose election reform, push for stricter drug crime sentencing, and support the proliferation of guns in America are off the hook because they self-censor?

IMHO, policies matter, not words. Republicans and Clintonistas are killing blacks. Kramer, AFAIK, hasn't. So let's focus on the real enemies.

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Where do you live?
Posted by: badkitty on Nov 29, 2006 8:24 AM   
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I am really astonished. I am in my 50s and I never even heard the "n" word spoken by real people in my presence (not movies) until the 1980s. And whom have I heard using it? Black people, only. Now I read it in some books (Invisible Man, Gone with the Wind) when I was in high school and college, but that was the extent of my contact with it until the wonderful rap music explosion. And now that we are the white family on our block (yes, gasp, we bought a house in a black neighborhood), I occasionally hear it from passers by, although not from my neighbors. And on the bus or rapid transit... But I don't hear it from white people. So do I think it's a loaded term any longer? No, I don't. Was it bad once, yes, but if some young black, African-American, whatever, man or woman wants to use it to describe themselves or their friends, they can be my guest. Just do not even begin to think that it is an insult if someone else (i.e., a white person) uses it.

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Richard45
Posted by: Richard45 on Nov 29, 2006 8:28 AM   
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Should the word ever be used? IMO, no. Too much baggage. But it is what it is. Why is it used by black people? Adaptation. Black people are incredibly adaptive. We've had to be. What we can't change, we find ways to adapt to. This is one instance of mastering the madness in the method. Key word with this word? CONTEXT. The manner in which it is used. Same principle as a hammer. You can drive a nail with it and build a house. Or use it to bash someone's head in. Take the word "baby" or "sugar" or other terms of endearment. Your "sweetie" can use it with you and you have no problem with it. A sexist on the job uses it in a lewd way, you got a problem. Take context and add "historical content" and you get a spin off from the river Niger in Africa. Or "substantia nigra" a product of melanin made by the brain that happens to be dominant in black people. The word when used by a racist is more a corruption of speech exacerbated by a corruption of thought. Solution? Education. Genuine education. A history lesson taught in black for both blacks and white. The history behind the history. Same principle as the cross. A symbol of suffering for the Romans. The four directions of the universe for the ancients, of redemption for the Christians. Context. Application. History. America needs an epiphany.

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RE: ACE&GENDER==DIVIDE&RULE-->the FakeLeft is all about black&white so the rich can keep their GREEN
Posted by: pdxlinuxchix on Nov 29, 2006 8:38 AM   
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In other words, women and non-whites, shut up and know your place.

A

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Interesting Points
Posted by: bigtonio15 on Nov 29, 2006 8:41 AM   
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I think everyone bought up some interesting points. I was surprised to see that no one pointed out, however, that other groups have reappropriated hateful words in a "loving" manner or in a manner of reproach. I hear gay people all the time call each other fag, or girl. How about women that call each other bitches or whores or sluts? Isn't it a natural tendency to try to diffuse a word by reappropriating it?

I also agree with the gentleman that said we should not classify certain words as hate speech. By doing so, the words never lose their power because the logic becomes ridiculously circular. Would the following dialogue make sense in any context? "We need to label this word as hate speech because it is incredibly harmful. Why is this particular word labeled as hate speech? Because it is incredibly harmful." This makes no sense at all. Words have the power that we allow them to have, and certainly singling some of them out as "hate speech" is giving them about as much power as I can think of.

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Posted by: Una Voce on Nov 29, 2006 8:44 AM   
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Hello all-
this was an excellent article. In Genesis it says "In the beginning was the Word. " Words, as we well know, are so powerful-hence everyone's need and desire to put them in places like this!
There are hundreds of old English words no longer in use. This, in the study of linguistics, is common in many languages and is known as part of the evolution of a language.
When an object - eg a typewriter, is no longer produced or used , the word itself may disappear from common use after about 50 years or so. About 60 years ago my grandparents and parents were often referred to as 'wops', 'guineas', and other slurs I can't even remember now. Our grandparents, back then, referred to black people as sp? "melenzana"
or a Sicilian dialect of same. I'll bet $ not one reader here has ever known this. Italians and Italian Americans and Americans of Italian ancestry stopped using that reference (def. 'eggplant' - dark and shiny/- a description) with my generation about 50 years ago. Our children have never known how this word was once used. What we teach our children is how language changes. My grandmother owned a grocery store and rented rooms. Our lesson of respect had to do with a person's age- not skin color. Elders were respected and if they needed help to cross a street or an errand done, we were taught to come to the aid.
This word and it's history will not go away until this generation teaches their children Respect. Period.

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Excellent points
Posted by: lahlah on Nov 29, 2006 8:46 AM   
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The author makes excellent points as to why these words have evolved in our vernacular but also need to be left behind. There is still a lot of pain and hatred in these words. How much benefit is there in using the word "nigga?" An American teaching English in Turkey recently remarked that her students were using the word "nigga" when practicing English because they have heard it in rap music and consider it a term of endearment. She had to explain to them the hundreds of years of oppression behind that term. The popularity of music that uses these terms has exported the concepts of this oppression all over the world.

It will take conscious work to leave these words behind; they will not just disappear. Growing up white in Alabama, I was all too aware of the people that used the N word when only white people were around. After leaving the south 15 years ago, I was surprised to learn that racism exists all over the US and all over the world. The N word and its variants frighten me; they evoke the hatred and intolerance that motivated people to treat people inhumanely, to torture people, to enslave people. These words distance people from each other and help fuel the fear that can never substitute for respect.

Racism is subtly taught but must be aggressively fought. It starts with simple lessons like the one my mother (who was beaten with a stick of firewood by her father in 1963 for agreeing with MLK) taught me: "Don't use the N word."

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DNA 99% the same in all people
Posted by: kathat on Nov 29, 2006 8:51 AM   
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"Human DNA consists of more than 3 billion building blocks whose sequences form genes, just like letters spell a word. For any two unrelated people, these letters are 99.9 percent the same. But that leaves millions of single-letter differences, called SNPs (pronounced “snips”) that provide genetic variation between people."
There are 5 genes in this 1% that regulate color in humans.

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Disgusting
Posted by: pocomoco on Nov 29, 2006 8:59 AM   
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Many words in our language can be taken out of context. Nigger is one and does not mean everybody of color. As an example: At a company meeting the manager used nigger in his comments, then remembered that a black employee was in the small group there. He quickly said, "John, you realize that there are black people and there are niggers". Nobody was uneasy or upset with the comment. I think many black people today use nigger to describe a bad, black person.

My wife was speaking to an employee at the local school who told her that he hates being referred to as an African-American. He added that he is an American and would rather be called a nigger, as that name doesn't bother him.

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thanks
Posted by: stanettex on Nov 29, 2006 9:08 AM   
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why can't we white readers admit that we have no idea. just listen. take a deep breath. no need to rush into wordy comments, defense, or our self-important opinions on this subject. and it isa important, and it is real. thank you for writing this article, it was interesting, now i'm going to go think about it.

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Good Article, Good Point
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 29, 2006 9:11 AM   
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The term trailer trash/white trash is another term that needs to be retired. I hear comedians, political pundits, etc throw the word around in a way that would not be tolerated if it were directed at any ethic/religious/racial group by the very same people. It smacks of the class/economic divide that is becoming more pervasive in our nation every day.

I work in a job that put me in contact with lots of people from every walk of life every day. Most people living in trailer parks have jobs- many times more than one and pay their own way in poorly paid jobs with poor benefits. They fall in the 'doughnut hole' making too much for assistance but not enough to live in the 'burbs. Too much for Pell Grants but not enough to pay their kids way through college. A paycheck or two from financial disaster not due to spendthrift habits, but basic survival. Increasingly, many people of color are falling into this 'doughnut hole'. For every person in such conditions that fits the Jerry Springer stereotype you will find countless people who 'work hard and play by the rules' to use a famous Bill Clinton phrase.

The 'N-word' is a hideous word that needs to be put out to pasture from everyone's vernacular, but the trailer trash/white trash term smacks of a similar harshness and venom for people unlike middle america.

Our nation is getting squeezed and the middle class is shrinking by the day. Some may climb up into the top 20%, but some in suburbia are clearly headed downward. Will their kids become white trash just because they have fallen into the downdraft of our economy? We can do better and should be better.

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This is going to get me in trouble
Posted by: BlueTigress on Nov 29, 2006 9:15 AM   
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I propose that until black people can agree that the expression "nigger" or "nigga" can be used by non-black people and not automatically be an insult, NO ONE AT ALL can use the word.

This also means that all recordings with either of those expressions, whether visual or audio can never be played over the public airwaves (radio, TV, subscription radio, Internet) or in any public venue. All copies of these recordings (except those in private hands, who will be encouraged to destroy all their copies) including the studio master tapes and all raw recordings must be destroyed. All columns, papers, books, movies, plays, etc no matter how artistically valuable must also be destroyed. All further exhibitions are banned. Any new work with either of those words, no matter what the context are to be automatically rejected until the offending words are removed. And yes, this means no pussyfooting around by using "n******", "n------" "the n-word", etc.

This edict is to be in place until the last living person who has either heard, seen, or used the offending words is dead, or 100 years, whichever is longer.

I grant you that this will not make the word go away, but it should lessen the usage over time.

I realize that this is a lot like your mother taking away the toy that you and a sibling were squabbling over, but we seem to not be too far from that point.

Either that, or the black leadership needs to say in print and on the record that "nigger", "nigga" or whatever is OK for black people to use, but not OK for non-black people to use under any circumstance, period.

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Using the term "nigger" neither dismisses nor changes its meaning!
Posted by: Mr. Terrific on Nov 29, 2006 9:48 AM   
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The ignorant black males of this generation and the prior, who use the term nigger in an effort to somehow diminish or change its meaning in the eyes of the general public, only make themselves a symbol of the same Stephin Fetchit stereotypes, blatantly utilized in early American media.

Using this inane term that is rooted in a history of degradation and oppression, only proves to those who expouse this whole non-scientific term of "race", that black americans {so-called African americans}, are inferior. If anyone has an education, of which I do, you will find that the history of the human "race", has its origins in Africa! We as the entire populace of America are all "African" Americans due to this simple fact of science!

In closing, as a black male who grew up in the 1970s-1980s, we as black people found no such freedom nor empowerment, in using the term "nigger", "nigga" or "niggas". It is simply I G N O R A N T!

Black americans need to embrace the term "education" not E G U M A C A T I O N. Then perhaps the current generation of black people will excel in the various socioeconomic levels of American society, as we rightly should have generations ago!


Eugene Purnell III

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Theou
Posted by: theou on Nov 29, 2006 10:02 AM   
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Some years ago I spent a month in a refuge in Harlem, NY.
I observed mothers invariably using the term "nigger" when speaking to their children.

I came to the conclusion that "nigger" is what your mother calls you and "motherf----r" is what you call anyone who isn't your mother who calls you "nigger".

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Niggers, Fags, and Bitches
Posted by: vangogh69 on Nov 29, 2006 11:17 AM   
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It amazes me how people act as if language were this thing, set in adamantine, which never changes meaning. Language evolves, words lose or gain meaning, and things change. The words "nigger", "fag", and "bitch" have also been affected in this way and depending on the context and user, as well as the intention, can be either used as a term of endearment or to hurt. I (a "fag nigga" sometimes is a "bitch") can call my friends "fag" or "girl" (they're men), yet I mean this out of love. Marginalized groups have a history of taking words used against them and re-invigorating them with positive connotations. "Nigger" is no different, though properly the difference is between "nigga" and "Nigger" (the former being acceptable while the latter is not).

I'm sorry, but my white brothers and sisters, you all need to shut the fuck up about how confused and sorry you are that you can't say the "N-word" when other (non-whites positively) do. Seeing as how whites pretty much are running shit in this country (the USA) and always have, we can call it justice that there are going to be certain words that will forever remain off-limits to you. Sorry, but it's not fair just as society isn't fair, just as it's not fair that I'd get 25years for possession of crack while you'd get 2 for cocaine, not fair that I need a MA to get a job you got with a GED because of your connections (aka "abilities"), not fair that I get followed around a store when I have more money in my bank account than the people working there who are white.

The word will never be outlawed, nor should it be. Instead, people ought to wake up to the fact that intention makes a difference, not everyone can say everything, and no precious, life ain't fair.

My 2 cents.

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Adaptation
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 29, 2006 11:20 AM   
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Cool article. Asks more questions than has answers to, which means society still needs to think some things through.

I know it's not the same thing, but when I moved to the south, everyone -- even the people pretending to be nice -- used the word "Yankee" derisively. So eventually, instead of getting offended, I started referring to myself as a "Yankee." The way I used it was a sort of "in your face" reflection of their mocking. It has worked quite well. I'm a Yankee and proud of it. Proud that my very existence is a thorn in the side of those who can't accept where I come from.

Maybe "Nigga" works the same way. By adopting the term, blacks can say "I'm a N-, I'm here, I'm proud that I'm black, and nothing you say or do is gonna change it."

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RE: Lenny Bruce's Take on the Subject...
Posted by: alterhead on Nov 29, 2006 11:54 AM   
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and i agree wholeheartedly! Words are words...nothing more... WE make them into weapons by stringing them together in a hateful manor. ALthough the word in question, I despise.

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Let's change the spelling
Posted by: aida1200 on Nov 29, 2006 11:15 AM   
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to "nigr." Figuratively, it's already a four-letter word.

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Food for thought.... the cultural assault on Black America
Posted by: xbj on Nov 29, 2006 11:55 AM   
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In the 60's, when a sole black man controlled much of black popular music (Berry Gordy) he gave his artists charm school classes, taught them how to speak "proper" English, how to talk, walk, and even "smoke" with "class". And in the music he oversaw, he incorporated high society jazz-influenced big band instrumentation and symphony orchestras, mixed with all the glory of black gospel right out of the churches. The masterpieces created by his organization rank with some of the greatest musical achievements in pop music history, indeed, in all of music history. It was argued then (futily and erroneously) that he was somehow making black music "white", that in making R&B "pallatable" to an essentially middle aged white audience, he was raping the music of its realism, reality, and essence.

On the contrary, he was taking that music and making it greater than it ever would have been without his influence. Showing that black music was not "as good" as white music; indeed, that it could be infinitely better. In spirit, in quality, and in the level of success that was achieved.

Contrast that to the gansta rap "music" of today. Controlled by mostly white record executives, the majority of it is the worst possible unmusical noise that could be created, some barely more than yelling epithets proclaiming violence against every possible target, backed by endlessly repeating basic rhythm loops with the bare minimum of harmony and meldoy possible. How much of this music is uplifting to the spirit of anyone of any color?

Ditto the stars. Snoop Dog is once again arrested for the third time immediately after a Tonight Show appearance, for God's sake. How long is the black community going to let a few white record executives and the tinier handful of black execs they've co-opted create and spew this poison into the world? How long are they going to make people who really legitmately do belong in prison rich celebrities by buying their crap? How long is black radio going to play what they're paid to play no matter how onerous and dangerous to the black community?

When are people going to realize that gansta rap is the crack of popular music? That gansta rap is the "niggah" of culture, taking the least possible common denominator and declaring it the pinnnacle of musical achievment through payola, endlesss repetition, and the absence of anything more?

This is not to say that a lot of hip hop, in particular neo soul, is not trying to come close to Berry Gordy's vision for black music. But for every artist and producer trying to create such uplifting music, there are thousands of successful and wannabe gansta rap "artists" tyring to spew the most hateful garbage imaginable, and that is what the white record executives choose to pay the radio stations to play. Why? Does it go merely beyond simply making money?

What are their motives? Don't tell me that garbage is the only thing that sells. No, whatever people hear the most and whatever they are told by the MSM is good is what they buy.

Or is there another, possibly unconscious racist agenda at work here. When are black people going to wake up and stop feeding it?

When are the young black men killing each other over crack-selling territory going to realize they're doing the KKK's work FOR THEM?

When indeed. I agree with the author, it's far beyond time for EVERYONE to quit using certain words. And it's also time to jettison certain kinds of pop music as well. 20 years of degradation should be more than enough.

No wonder most kids have dumped music for the even more addicting violence of video games.

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The N word should be saved for
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 29, 2006 12:25 PM   
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any black Republicans. They are selling out their people for their own wealth. Hear that Armstrong Williams?

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Re: Nigger
Posted by: boogie1 on Nov 29, 2006 12:29 PM   
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Once and for all can we get off this stuff? I use 'nigger' 'chink' 'rag-head' 'fat' 'skinny-ass' and every other 'bad' phrase I can think of if I'm pissed off at somebody who appearance accords as such. IT MEANS NOTHING BEYOND THIS. My black friends used to call me a 'white nigger' and I took this as a sign of respect. If you are so angry that you're ready to become verbally or physically violent with someone what does it matter what you call them? They are just words.

And is anything more stupid than referencing words like the 'N' word that either you know means nigger or if you don't know what it means it is poor communication.

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The African American and the N-word
Posted by: goldfingers on Nov 29, 2006 12:36 PM   
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BOOK CRITICAL OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO USE THE N-WORD

Los Angeles, CA., - Author H. Lewis Smith has written a thought provoking, culturally divided book that will not only spark heated conversation, but can also bring about real change. The N-word is often used in the African American community amongst each other and is generally not a problem when spoken by another African American. However, once the word is used by a Caucasian person, it brings on other effects. The question is "who can use the word and why?" Smith believes it is a word that should be BURIED!!!!

The book is written in a manner that all can understand. The points are well-taken and the wording is easy to follow. There are quotes from great people in our history including Martin Luther King, Jr., Harriet Tubman, James Baldwin and many, many others. Smith has mixed history with honesty, love with life, education with effects. This is a great book for educators, parents, managers, professionals, newsmen, and anyone else wanting an in-depth look at the N-word, the effects and the solutions. A MUST READ!!!!


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Remember This Russian Proverb
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Nov 29, 2006 12:42 PM   
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Words and their connotations go both ways in everybody. How a word is used can hurt or help a person, but when the N-word is used (yes, I've been called nigger before many times when I lived in Texas, but not in New Jersey oddly enough but the word is not relegated to provincial usage) it stirs up passion as we have seen in the past.
We should be wise to this Russian proverb: Once a word leaves your mouth, you cannot take it back. So I hope we as humans realize the power of (derogatory) words. And there are plenty of us who use the word freely and make lots of $$$ from it.

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Princess and the Pea
Posted by: ceebert on Nov 29, 2006 12:45 PM   
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Nigger is a crude and insulting term in most contexts. It is rude and provocative. That's precisely why it is utilized as an insult or provocation. Having said that, it is only one of many, ranging from the mundane characterization of an anthropomorphic colon sphincter to more radical such as an apple-knocking pig F*&^%$er. Another particularly offensive one, perhaps most used by African-Americans, is the reference to oedipal acting out. Not for polite society. But let's be frank. I have trouble keeping a straight face when I see some rather "macho", for lack of a better term, 20-something African American protest how traumatized they are at receiving a crude and unimaginative insult. Sorry, I don't buy it. It's hard to respect someone who makes a life out of being a victim. Sticks and stones. . . I have received many racially based insults from African Americans over the years and I have not filed a suit or developed PTSD. Response depends upon the circumstances, but does not merit status as a major event. It only speaks about the character of an individual in a given instance at a given time and has no global or teleological significance.

It is one's privilege to be insulted, but let's not lose credibility by over-doing it.

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» RE: Princess and the Pea Posted by: flairndip
Us and them
Posted by: yesman on Nov 29, 2006 1:31 PM   
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"Forget internalizing somebody else's value systems, we need to spend more time acting like us. "

Very true. The same thing happens to gay people. Either we destroy ourselves acting like the trashy, sex-crazed drug fiends that homophobes say we are; or we try to be just like middle class married suburban normalites (even as the real version of those folks continually vote to deny us equal rights).

The only trouble is, once you stop acting on the basis of either accepting or rejecting the stereotype of "us," then what does it mean to be "us." Then "us" becomes just a bunch of people trying to get through life as best they can. "Us" (and "them") becomes pretty much meaningless.

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Words don't hurt people . . .
Posted by: Rune on Nov 29, 2006 1:32 PM   
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. . . the thoughts of speakers and listeners hurt people.

Point being, we give words power when we use and interpret them. "Nigger" is no different. It's all in our heads. And we can use our heads to reclaim this word, just like other loaded words (e.g., cunt, which now shows up as a term of endearment or femme power in certain contexts after once being treated with the same awe and horror still reserved for "nigger").

The real issue is the acceptance of cartoonish, two-dimensional identity politics in which a person's whole being is reduced to some poorly understood charcaterstic that is used as proof of a pack of emotionally charged myths, which are then substituted for information about actual human beings. That is the real mechanism of hurt behind "nigger." The thing is, cruel and even deadly identity politics do their damage with or without simple expressions like cunt, beaner, faggot, slut, or nigger. Even if we effectively censor such words, we really haven't addressed the problem until we reflexively challenge the cruel identity politics that dehumanizes people we never really know.

I say let's get on with the real work of understanding each other and not get stuck on words that are tossed out specifically to short circuit human trust and understanding. It's our power and our choice to use as we please.

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Get Over It
Posted by: mite on Nov 29, 2006 1:35 PM   
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If they (Monarchs-Elite, CFR, Bildebergs) can keep us focused on fighting among ourselves; we are to busy to focus on their acts to enslave us all.
If the Hate Crime Bill Passes our First Amendment Rights and all 10 Bill Of Rights will be No More.

Read the difference between Democracy and Republic.

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A Tired Topic
Posted by: hole11 on Nov 29, 2006 2:55 PM   
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I didn't see one nigger in the LA Riots. I saw all kinds of people who were tired of getting beat by the police. Shot by recent immigrants for stealing orange juice. Beat by the bankers (yes, McCaine was involved) in the Savings and Loan crisis. And just treated like zoo animals wherever they went by people shocked to see them.

Someone who cares about a word like nigger is missing the big picture. If we live in america we call people anything we can. It doesn't bring us any closer to the other person.

Our society is getting stricter and not closer to more freedom. You couldn't tell me all the pejoritive words out there. Most don't even know what MUST means. Why would you care about a six letter word?

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The use of such words is a sign of ignorance:
Posted by: PT Alden on Nov 29, 2006 5:49 PM   
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No matter who you are or what your skin color is, those words, including the so-called "nigga" are a sign of ignorance. Intelligent, educated people don't feel the need or desire to use words like that, not just because they are racist, but because they display a lack of knowledge and decorum.

Racial epithets, along with the "slang word of the week" make me pity the speaker when I hear them, because if you cannot speak proper English it just shows a willful ignorance that may help you look cool around a child, but does nothing to advance your standing as an erudite adult.

"Nigga" is slang and slang is lazy. When I hear people talk that way, no matter who they are, I pity their ignorance. If it's obvious they know better, it lowers my sense of respect for them. That type of talk is fine if one wishes to belong to the lowest common denominator, but I thought (and would hope) most people would care to rise above that.

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NIGRA
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Nov 29, 2006 7:18 PM   
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anyone remember this form of the 'word'. It was alledged by many a politican that this was an 'non-racist' term and was a accent term for negro (at the time 'negro' or 'coloured' was the acceptable term.) I even recall a linquist claiming that 'nigra' was not racist during a time when a chancellor of a university used the term in the early 70's. Any thoughts on that? I know some older Americans (and Brits) who still use 'coloured' and some Southerners who use to the word 'nigras'. Some people in Scotland told me several years ago that 'blacks' was a racist term and they used 'coloured'. Of course 'coloured' means Asian (or Indian) in South Afrika. Funny how different countries deal with it.

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Let's not put all the racially charged words away just yet
Posted by: AdamG on Nov 29, 2006 8:56 PM   
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There's a few I want to keep handy, especially for the likes of Cryofan/rebel pig/political outcast/whatever his favorite name of the month is.

Cracker is one.

Honky is another.

White trash seems appropriate.

Peckerwood has a nice ring to it.

Why don't you move on up to Canada or Europe, the two "socialist heaven" you seem to idealise so much. You're a tool of the overclass yourself you whiney white boy fakeLeft asshole.

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cazador
Posted by: cazador on Nov 29, 2006 9:15 PM   
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Man, allow a word to offend you and you simply empower the offending party. Remove the pain/angst/anger from your existence and you've effectively disallowed the offender to offend you by removing his/her weapon. Keep worrying about a word like nigger and you've lost the game. Lastly, consider our species early attempts at language, communicating through rough verbal cues. The notion of a "bad" word? Come on! Get over it. A word like "huck" isn't bad, despite it's structural similarity to "f*ck", nor is the intended meaning, explicitly, "intercourse," what we call bad. Get over the word offense thing people, you're too stuck in your head, you niggas and wasps and waps and rednecks and redskins and stoners and whathaveyou.

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The thing is,...
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Nov 30, 2006 3:35 AM   
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...is it really progress that people stop using the 'N' word, not out of respect, but because they're afraid of getting their asses kicked?

Take the whole Michael Richards debacle; anyone else get the feeling that he didn't apologize out of sincerity, but was just desperately backpedalling and trying to steer around the shitstorm he caused?

I'm a white man, white as they come, virtually. I don't use the word because from the first time I heard it on the playground, I saw the face of the kid it was aimed at just crumple like paper, and I knew then and there, it was a word meant for hurt. That was a good enough reason for me, for anyone, never to use it.

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45 year old white woman gets called Nigga by students
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Nov 30, 2006 6:57 AM   
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i am a middle school teacher in a san francisco bay area town. the demographics of our students approximates 70% hispanic, 25% filipino, and 5% other (african american, white, pacifica islander, asian).

all teens who are into hip hop culture and gang culture call each other nigga. in our town, filipino teens call chinese teens "nigga." white kids call latin kids "nigga."

sadly, it means "friend" at this point.

my students even call me nigga from time to time, as in, "Yo, My Nigga." I am a 45 year old white woman.

Although I repeatedly request my students to NOT use the words (nigger, nigga, etc..), it is in almost every song they hear in their music.

until the music industry stops marketing violence, hatred, racism, sexism, misogeny, and gang-culture mentality, our children are doomed.

shame to the hip hop artists who glorify the thug life.

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Nigger is only a word
Posted by: philobat on Nov 30, 2006 7:02 AM   
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It is strange to me how this word has become such a controversy. It is just ridiculous. Some African Americans use it in lawsuits to make money, yet when a gay person gets called a "Faggot" they have no rights, and nor can they make a case in court out of it. Either of these words when used in a nasty way have the same effect.

Call me anything you like, I don't care. Good or bad, your opinion of me is none of my business. If anyone wants to get mad about a word, then they are stupid. Its only a word it doesn't mean a damn thing unless you allow it to. Grow up people.

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Internalized Oppression
Posted by: bluejean on Nov 30, 2006 11:58 AM   
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It seems to me that the adoption of the "n-word" or any modified form of it, is an example of internalized oppression. Oppressors need not use the word themselves if the oppressed group starts to use it against each other. The same is true for all marginalized groups who argue that they are "taking back" a misogynist/homophobic/racist term.

I don't think you can take them back .... they were created to marginalize, dehumanize and demean a group which those in power want to oppress .... now we're just doing their dirty work for them.

The mainstreaming of the n-word in the African American community is similar to the propagation of the idea that doing well in school means you're not "black" enough. If you adopt that idea, you don't study, don't improve yourself, guess what, you've now limited your opportunities for success more than any oppressor ever could.

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nigger no more
Posted by: Ministry_of_Mutation on Nov 30, 2006 12:39 PM   
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nigger no more

 

that old nigger burned inside of my head

an industrial brand hidden under milky skin

 

history’s nigger a scar that never heals but weeps

aching behind the eyes and burning in the gut

 

America’s nigger a country club key I refuse to use

an offer from the grand masters of a lost race

 

my nigger the barrier in the brain holding hate

the boundary beyond which all humanity bleeds out

 

whispered nigger a retarded idiot uncle who’s dying

holding our world hostage with dehumanized slurs

 

our nigger the untold American history lesson

a Huckleberry tale of subversion and slavery

 

slavery’s nigger the broken branches of an evil tree

bearing bloody fruit in the darkest of dreams

 

realize nigger can’t exist except to reveal you

so read this poem in silence and never aloud

 

B.Z.B. Evans

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Why users of the n-word are wrong...
Posted by: eyejam on Nov 30, 2006 12:55 PM   
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... because even in casual and colloquial usage the word can't escape its origins of despair. In my own experience--as a middle-aged white guy living in a racially diverse, urban-lite area of Venice CA--the n-word is used much like the word "bitch." To my ear the purpose in choosing both words is the same: edginess, irreverence, and shock value. Girls, black girls more words forged in despair. You might think that users of such language must find concepts as decorum and politeness rather quaint. But, these are children: innocent of history, ignorant of those whose shoulders they stand, disinterested in propriety, and unconcerned with improving on such deficiencies. They are but mirrors of a larger culture.

It's analagous to those black-clad and made-up goth kids so fascinated with death only because in reality they are so far from it. (I doubt if children in Iraq find the subject so entertaining...)

Those whose intent is NOT racism or oppression have no justification for such words. Referring to your friends as n-words, b-words, hos, etc, is simply not cute. Friends deserve better.

Bottom line: It's a language of despair. It doesn't elevate, it only escalates. It is not productive. It only expands the cultural illness. Whatever Richard Pryor and others had in mind when using the word 30 years ago, that noble purpose is now lost.

As long as we're on the subject, why don't we stop casual use of words like f**k, s**t, c**t, muthaf***er, etc, as a matter of mutual respect.

(Oh, I'm a dreamer, aren't I?)

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Niger in Latin means Black (and pronounced "Nigger")
Posted by: cold2touch on Nov 30, 2006 2:22 PM   
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The etymology of the word is simple but its journey in time is very convoluted. No one entertains the idea of renaming the countries of Niger and Nigeria, Black or Blackia.
It is offensive only by mutual consent. At one time, the use of the term "black" was offensive and "brown" or "colored" was preferred. I supppose the time will come when "black" is offensive again and at any rate it hardly corresponds to the actual skin tone. Consider too, that there are many Euro specimens, especially from Mediterranean region, whose skin is darker than that of many Somalis and Ethiopeans, yet the terms stick.
They will stick as long as people skirt the real issues of equal opportunity and affirmative action, preferring to deal in symbols only.

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the most loaded use....
Posted by: 2marina on Nov 30, 2006 3:37 PM   
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the most loaded use of the 'nigger' i have ever been around is in the phrase 'nigger lover'...which i don't see mentioned in this thread yet....somehow that phrase -- by embodying the very divided forces the use of 'nigger' covers -- allows it to be hurled with a deeply violent and annhilating force.

when a woman is called a 'nigger lover' she is not only called out for crossing the color line, she is charged with both accepting love for/of blackness and somehow destroying it along with her self and place in "acceptable" society.

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"THE WORD" IS NOT THE ISSUE
Posted by: Exodus Mentality on Dec 2, 2006 8:54 PM   
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Mr. Jennings is insightful, his analysis is extremely well written, and the comments thus inspired show that there are indeed people of conscience left in the world. But unfortunately, the article and ALL of the subsequent comments miss the true point.

Ever since Michael Richards orchestrated his return to media prominence (never assume they don't have an underlying purpose for their actions) there have been reams of opinions proliferated regarding "THE WORD". In response to another well written essay by Earl Ofari Hutchinson, I was moved to pen my own brief diatribe regarding "THE WORD". RESPONSE

I rarely use "THE WORD", although sometimes, it's the only word that fits the circumstances. However in an effort to inform, rather than antagonize, I shall refrain from using it, so as to not deflect attention from the real issue.

"THE WORD" IS NOT THE ISSUE. All of this dialogue about that word actually deflects attention from the true issue. The word we should be discussing is RACISM. Many people refer to racism when they discuss the use of "THE WORD", however I submit to you that there is a fundamental misunderstanding regarding racism. As commonly defined, the term racism has been diffused to suggest that any and all people are capable of racism or being racist. The term "reverse racism" is a prime example of this fundamental misunderstanding. I submit to you that there is only one functional and factual definition of "racism" and that is WHITE SUPREMACY. I will not presume to adequately summarize this fact in such a limited forum. Instead, I implore all people of good intent to please take the time to read "The Cress Theory of Color Confrontation" written by Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. It can be found, along with a collection of her essays, in "The Isis Papers". In that essay, she demonstrates quite conclusively that there is only one true definition of racism and that is "WHITE SUPREMACY". And the most profound pronouncement she makes is that if you understand that racism is and can only be white supremacy, then you understand all you need to know about racism. If you do not understand that one critical point, everything else that you think you know will only confuse you.

I fully expect to be marginalized as some sort of "Black Supremacist" for having the unmitigated gall to present such a theory as scholarly or having any merit. I am well aware of the myriad writings and analysis that claim to put such nonsense in it's proper place . I stand by my position and even invite further discussion as I am more than willing to engage the pseudo-erudition that attacks the fringes of this theory, rather than address its more salient points of fact. First we are ignored, then ridiculed, then violently opposed, and finally accepted as wisdom.

Suffice it to say, that you can remove "THE WORD", and all it's derivations from the vocabulary, and even the thought processes of the entire world, and it will change NOTHING. I can appreciate that the discussions about that one word serve to foster intelligent reasoned dialogue about race relations. But unless and until the human race is willing to engage in honest, open debate about the true nature of color confrontation throughout world history we will continue to suffer through our ignorance, and apply band-aids where much deeper intervention is required.

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Well
Posted by: Soco on Dec 3, 2006 7:21 AM   
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I say change the meaning or don't use it regardless of which race is using it. Banning the word as "hate speech" implies a loss of freedom. Which other words will we ban as "hate speech" the word "race" when race clearly exists? Banning words sounds Orwellian to me. How about black people taking responsibility for it's use (Especially people who profit from it's use, e.g Entertainers and Comedians). If I were black, I'd boycott the Black profiteers who used it. "I don't use it and I ask you don't either." If I were in fact black, it would be difficult not to find it offensive.

I often hear it used as "My nigger" which seems to say "I'm dominate and you belong to me" from Black Americans. No race "owns" a word. You cannot use it exclusively in a group and bar the use of it in another.

Sure the word can be offensive if you let it offend you. Often it's meaning in defined in the context of which it's used. Being respectful, it should not be used by anyone. When used negatively it's often the lowest common denominator to immediately "hit below the belt." People sometimes do say hurtful things they don't mean, which in turn does just as much damage to themselves.

Fact is, Black Americans are not slaves and White Americans are NOT guilty of the sins of their fathers, regardless of what self-loathing far-left liberals believe (I'd like to think I'm a moderate). White people fought with Blacks to end slavery in this country. White people marched with MLK. There are black and white people that are assholes, and the asshole word is an equal opportunity employer. I say let's use asshole in anger since it has EOO status among everyone.

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SLAVE
Posted by: Mr Mann on Dec 4, 2006 12:29 PM   
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With all the current attention on the use of the word nigger, I refuse to substitute “N-word for the word nigger, all the while a most insidious word is still in use, in fact taught in school and used by some of the most elite and so called learned Negroes, Skip Gates to name just one, in the country. It is a word that pales in comparison to the impact of the word nigger or niggah.I have read it in context in dozens of books written by so call freethinking authors. That word is slave.

Now before you start gnashing your teeth take a while and masticate on this. How can there be a “Run Away Slave” an Escaped Slave” or a “Slave Rebellion”? When by definition slaves, one who submits to the master, have done just that submitted. It would then be oxymoronic and complete paradoxes for the two to even exist.

As any true scholar knows to think critically about any subject one has to know what a word means. Since in the English language words have multiple definitions and anyone can define them rather they are accurate or not I think it wise to determine the origin, thus the true mean, etymology, of the word. The word slave is actually from the word slav, people from the Slavic speaking part of eastern Europe. Because there were repeatedly defeated in battle and thus submitted the word slav came to be known as someone who submits to be a subject of another.

Here is where it gets real tricky. Most people of color I know when asked to close their eyes and think of a slave will almost automatically share that the image of a person looks like them. Why is that so? They will then grow up and refer to their own ancestors as people whom submitted. That is the power of words. If you see yourself as the descendant of slaves then perhaps you too are a slave and just don’t know it.

A letter represents a picture or glyph and when they are strung together they can represent symbols, concepts and thoughts. When you don’t know the meaning of these pictures only what they have come to be defined for you, you are living someone else’s illusion and when you apply the symbology and mythology, in this case the myth of white supremacy, of someone other than yourself and you make that your reality, you are delusional.

I think people from the continent of Africa were kidnapped and sold into imprisonment and forced to labor on prison farms. Now I urge you to think of your ancestors as prisoners rather than slaves and think of plantations as prison farms rather than mint julep drinks, and happy darkies just a chopping cotton and singing old Negro spirituals. Are your impressions the same?

That’s the importance of understanding language and knowing that you are what you answer to. J.A. Rogers said, you were brought down from Superman to Man then why in hell would you even debate what you are? Who do you answer to? If your creator was Massa, and you, slave, were created in his image, then I understand. What I don’t understand, what I think is not understandable is what so called black people are trying to prove in the first place. What difference does it make to me if anyone uses the words nigger? None, I am not in that game. I walked from under that totem a few years ago. I

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Nigger, Nigga, Niggah
Posted by: Mr Mann on Dec 4, 2006 8:55 PM   
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NIGGER, NIGGA, NIGGAH, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGA, NIGGA, NIGGA, NIGGAH, NIGGAH, NIGGAH, NICCA, NICCA, NICCA!!!!!!!

So ok you are offended, so what? It's your offense and? If the word offends you perhaps there is part of yourself you see as inferior of actually being a nigger, whatever that is.

Since no one has traced it real roots and I have read all the modern day explanations, then it must be defined by someone else? Now who are those someone's that define the word?

When did their definitions become the rule or the law of the language? It really is up to the individual to define for oneself what it means to them since there is no authority on if the word should and when it should be used.

If it offends you then you'd be stupid to use it, if it doesn't have at it as you see fit. Personally, I don't care. I will use it if I want, I take no offense at its use rather directed at me or someone else. I know what and more importantly who I am.

There are a lot more important issues facing the planet, global warming, the energy crisis, cancer causing agents especially dioxin, even in breast milk, population explosion, murder, illiteracy, mass ignorance of so called black people, rampant poverty, a whole goddamned city almost deserted, not to mentions the AIDs crisis in the USA and Africa and what do niggers choose to debate? Some stupid shit like rather it is proper to use the “N” word. Nigger please!

So if those niggers were so offended at what Richards said, you are what you answer to or are offended by, then why cry like punks? The thing to do if you claim you were that offended was to beat his monkey ass, or at least hum a bottle at him. That what super niggers do. Punk ass niggers, Negrostien and the dreaded African Americans

Namaska,

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Here the term "Nigger" is defined and its historical references
Posted by: philobat on Dec 8, 2006 11:49 AM   
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The fact remains that this word was never meant in its origin to be derogatory, but later became that way. Just as the "swastika" was originally an acient symbol of peace and love.

Just an FYI people!

Etymology and history

Main article: Negro
The Spanish word negro originates from the Latin word niger, meaning black. In English, negro or neger became negar and finally nigger, most likely under influence of French nègre (also derived from the Latin niger).
In Colonial America, Neger (sometimes spelled "neggar") prevailed in northern New York under the Dutch and also in Philadelphia, in its Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities. For example, the African Burial Ground in New York City was originally known as "Begraaf Plaats van de Neger."
In the United States, the word nigger was not originally considered derogatory, but merely denotative of black, as it was in much of the world. In nineteenth-century literature, there are many uses of the word nigger with no intended negative connotation. Mark Twain, Charles Dickens, and Joseph Conrad (who published The Nigger of the 'Narcissus' in 1897) used the word without racist intent.
The perception of the term nigger as derogatory is no doubt related to the fact that the black people were a race regarded by many white people of the time as inferior, lazy, simian in appearance, stupid, and criminally inclined.
Other terms denoting black people were intended to be derogatory from their conception, among them darky, jigaboo, porch monkey, coon, and Spook. All of these terms, although considered acceptable by many groups of white people until recent decades, are now almost universally regarded as offensive among English-speakers worldwide.
In the 1800s, as nigger began to acquire the pejorative connotation it holds today, the term "Coloured" gained popularity in as a kinder alternative to negro and associated terms. For example, abolitionists in Boston, Massachusetts posted warnings to "Colored People of Boston and vicinity". The name of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People reflects the the preference for this term at the time of the NAACP's founding in 1909.
Southern dialect in many parts of the southern United States changes the pronunciation of "Negro" to "nigra" (used most famously by Lyndon B. Johnson, a proponent of civil rights). The form "nigger" may have come about from "nigra" through metathesis.
Black was generally the preferred term from the late 1960s until the 1990s, but has now been displaced in politically correct usage by African American, which resembles the term Afro-American that was in vogue in the early 1970s.

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you can call me racist
Posted by: frank666 on Jan 21, 2007 12:59 PM   
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You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey", "Gringo" and you think it's OK.

...But when I call you Kike, Towelhead, WOP, Camel Jockey, Gook, nigger or Chink you call me a racist.

-You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

-You have the United Negro College Fund.

-You have Martin Luther King Day.

-You have Black History Month.

-You have Cesar Chavez Day.

-You have Yom Hashoah

-You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi

-You have the NAACP.

-You have BET.


-If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.

-If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.

-If we had white history month... we'd be racist.

-If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.

-If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.

-In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.

-Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them... they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.

-You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.



I am white.

I am proud.

But, you call me a racist.



Why is it that only whites can be racists?

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There Are Niggas in America (By a Black Man)
Posted by: rdmjr on Feb 2, 2007 12:07 PM   
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There are Niggas in America

There are Niggas in America. Take it from a Black Man, there are Niggas in America. Why yaw botherin folk about whether or not they use the word nigga. There are niggas in America. Niggas are folk who refer to themselves and their children and their loved ones and they momma and they daddy as niggas. Nigga is a term or endearment they say. You have to ask the question “Is the word used to express the closeness of relationship to the one they closest to?” Hell yea, niggas say “they my nigga, you know.” They say “We should eradicate the word Nigger.” Even the Dictionary.com got sense enough to know that niggas call niggas, nigga. It’s in the dictionary like the word Nigger. The difference is that nigga is (ethnic slur) extremely offensive name for a Black person; ((when not said by another black person (a nigga)) "only a Black can call another Black a nigga" [syn: nigger . It originated and started long time ago. White man said “yaw niggas get busy.” A black man heard him and said “yeah, yaw niggas get busy.”

There are Niggas in America. Definition 1a from Dictionary.com, writes ...nigger however, is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way. Nigger (syn: nigga)–noun Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive a. a black person. b. a member of any dark-skinned people. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. A person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc. . . . Definition 3 is not normally considered disparaging—as in “The Irish are the niggers of Europe” from Roddy Doyle's The Commitments—but the other uses are considered contemptuous and hostile. 3. A victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised. Yeah right, I have never heard anybody call somebody a nigga that was not a nigga (except niggas) or someone with black skin.

There are Niggas in America. The word ain’t even in my spell check. There is Nagger, Nigh, Nigel and Niger but not nigga. What’s a nigga to do, if they want tocall each other niggas. You gonna arrest them all? There are little niggas and big niggas but the thing they all have in common is that they proudly call themselves niggas. “Girl, I married a sho nuff nigga.” “A big ass nigga.” “A ugly nigga.” “A rich nigga” and don’t forget “bitch-ass niggas.” You know the drill.

There are Niggas in America. Leave them alone; better yet give them their own classification of the next U.S. Census. Other folk can check the box “other” and niggas ought to be able to check the box that says nigga. Or better yet the box that reads “other niggas.” That way we know exactly how many niggas are in America. Cause yaw know There are Niggas in America. Everybody denies that there are niggas and niggas even know that there are niggas. Do away with Nigger, but niggas ain’t gonna stop. As the Police office said “Before we arrest them, did they say Nigger or nigga?” Take it from a black man that knows some niggas.

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