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Turkeys Are Our Friends

By Colleen Patrick-Goudreau, AlterNet. Posted November 23, 2006.


One vegetarian shares the bond she developed with turkeys after finding alternatives to this traditional Thanksgiving comfort food.

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Humans are funny birds. We get so wrapped up in habits, comfort zones, and traditions that sometimes we forget who we are, what we care about, and why we even do what we do. Thanksgiving is one such instance, sadly exemplified by its alternative name: "Turkey Day." Thanksgiving is meant to be a day when we celebrate the bounty of the harvest, pause in gratitude for the abundance most of us experience, and share what we have with others. Most people don't stop to think about the nearly 300 million birds that are killed each year in the United States, just to satisfy our taste buds. Of this number, 45 million are killed for Thanksgiving alone.

As someone who teaches vegetarian cooking classes, I've seen many people turn away from meat, dairy and eggs and embrace the array of delicious, nutritious plant-based foods available to us. I've also seen them change the lens through which they view the world, which I think is critical for shedding the comfort zones of the past and creating new ones. Some people have a real fear that they will no longer have satisfying, filling meals -- especially on Thanksgiving. I can say with confidence that they can put their fears to rest.

Our Thanksgiving feast every year is full of comfort foods galore, prepared with organic ingredients from local farms: mashed potatoes with mushroom gravy, bread & nut stuffing, mashed rutabagas, cranberries with pecans, stuffed acorn squash, corn bread, Brussels sprouts, corn, peas, pumpkin pie with cashew cream, and apple pie. This was our menu last year, and I'm sure I've left something out. Indeed, there is no dearth of food on our table on this special day, as we share it with our closest friends and family.

For those who have never met them, turkeys are magnificent animals, full of spunk and spark and affection, with individual personalities and charms. These animals, who have been abused and discarded by human beings, whose beaks and toes have been mutilated, and whose genetically overgrown bodies are susceptible to heart disease and leg deformities, still display immense affection towards humans. They are incredibly curious and follow you wherever you go, and their wonderful vocalizations include an array of clucks, purrs, coos, and cackles.

Turkeys love to be caressed, and people often remark that they respond just like their own dogs and cats. Turkeys even make a purring sound when they are content, and not until you've had a hen fall asleep under your arm have you lived. She will literally melt under your touch, relax her body, and begin to close her eyes, softly clucking all the while. It's a sight to see, and I'm moved every time I have the privilege to witness it.

Some turkeys are more affectionate than others, climbing into your lap and making themselves as comfortable as can be. At an animal sanctuary I frequent, a particularly friendly turkey became known for her propensity to hug. As soon as you crouched down, she would run over to you, press her body against yours, and crane her head over your shoulders, clucking all the while. It's amazing how so generous a hug can be given by something with no arms.

They're not all saints, but some are heroes. One turkey became my personal protector when I was trying to clean a barn and was continually accosted by a particularly rude and aggressive bird. Each time the aggressor would begin to close in on me, my hero would waddle over and get between me and his barn-mate. It was remarkable, and it happened over and over (turkeys are very persistent). What made this scene even more touching was the fact that these toms suffered from bumble foot, abscesses on the footpads that resemble corns, a common occurrence in domesticated turkeys. Between their grotesquely large breasts and inflamed feet, turkeys walk very awkwardly and with a lot of effort. I was very touched that such an effort was made on my behalf.

I grew up eating turkeys' breasts, turkeys' legs, and turkeys' wings, and I'm still making amends to these extraordinary animals. I believe we're able to mutilate certain animals for our gustatory pleasure because we don't have relationships with them. We've never meet them face to face. Once I met a turkey, I was never the same again. Once I began to celebrate Thanksgiving as turkey-free holiday, I learned for the first time what "Happy Turkey Day" really means.

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Colleen Patrick-Goudreau, a recognized expert in plant-based cuisine, is a food columnist for VegNews Magazine, a contributing writer to Satya Magazine, and founder of Compassionate Cooks.

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vegies
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 23, 2006 1:07 AM   
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Eating vegies makes a healthier planet and a healthier society and a healthier body and more peaceful minds.

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» RE: Your post started off good, then Posted by: socialgranado
Hows this for an alternative
Posted by: thinkingagain on Nov 23, 2006 1:32 AM   
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Have a look at this for an alternative to Thanksgiving, should make you laugh

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No carnivores, no turkeys
Posted by: helen_0f_romford on Nov 23, 2006 2:17 AM   
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All very nice I'm sure, but if there wasn't an economic need to rear all those turkeys, they simply wouldn't be bred in the first place.

If we mostly went veggie, the first thing that would happen is we'd have to slaughter all the farm animals cos we simply couldn't afford to keep them alive.

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» good for you, number 6 Posted by: grim ripper
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Sounds suspicious
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 23, 2006 4:49 AM   
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I think those turkey were just being nice to you so you wouldn't eat them.

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word from the farm
Posted by: AdamG on Nov 23, 2006 7:15 AM   
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I felt I needed to write to combat this type of veganazi propaganda.

First off, I'll start by saying that I am totally abhorred by how animals are raised in the industrial food system. There are things done to animals that make what happened during the Holocaust like nice. Concentrated Anmal Feeding Operations (CAFO's) should be outlawed.

I'll also say that as a farmer who raises animals humanely, there should be no shame in eating meat. All food is sacred and should be appreciated. Domestication should be seen as mutual indebtedness and not a form of slavery. Animals that are domesticated choose so on some level, otherwise, why wouldn't all animals be domesticated?

As long as you aren't feeding ruminants rations of grain, antacids, and antibiotics they can actually help combat global warming. Poultry can benefit greatly from grazing on pasture as well. Most CO2 is generated by agriculture, primarily in the form of CO2 released by soil microbes because of soil cultivation. Annual grain monocultures are the primary culprit. Perennial pasture management and building up topsoil is one of te main ways to combat global warming other then curtailing fossil fuel use.

Animals are an important part of a farm fertility cycle. Withoput their contributions of manure, soil fertility would suffer. They can also help in making a farm more effiecient by collecting forages that we can't eat and turning them into food for humans and food for the soil.

Domesticated plants and animals are our heritage. Thousands of years of human, plant, and animals cooperation are culminated in all the breeds we have. What would we do if we all went veggie? Just tell the animals, sorry it's been fun but we don't need you anymore? It would mean thousands of years of development and progress, down the drain.

All food, plant and animal, is sacred. As long as their sacrifice for us is observed, acknowledged, and resciprocated, we should feel no guilt. Support your local farmer and rancher. Check out www.westonaprice.org .

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

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Wake up to the truth in Colleen's words
Posted by: joy7 on Nov 23, 2006 7:36 AM   
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As a former carnivore (before I gave up eating all animal products 4+ years ago at the age of 37 and went vegan for ethical reasons — in diet and lifestyle), toward the end of my carnivorous days, I was eating a lot of turkey, mostly turkey burgers because the advertising machine was telling me turkey meat was healthier. I believed it, never once questioning what they were saying or what was happening to the turkeys before they were slaughtered.

When we buy their products, we allow agribusiness to do things to other sentient beings that we consider unconscionable and barbaric if they were done to our own companion animals, e.g. cats and dogs. We allow advertising to brainwash us into think we “need” ridiculous amounts of protein or we “need” these industries to be a profitable society. Neither is true.

Let me tell you: the costs of eating meat and dairy and “raising” animals for food FAR exceed the benefits. We are a nation of overweight, diseased, over-medicated, unhealthy, toxic, artery-clogged human animals due to the non-human animal products we are addicted to, which are rife with chemicals, hormones, pesticides, antibiotics, cholesterol and toxins, and the cost of maintaining and managing our diseases, cancers and illness is staggering to our economy. The planet is suffering because of the overproduction of methane, manure lagoons, manure runoff into streams, depletion of water and aquifers and irreversible loss of topsoil, just to name a few — all the result of animal food production.

Today's children are going to inherit this polluted and dying planet. It's not too late to wake up, turn off the TV, stop watching all the food commercials, pull our heads out of the sand and be willing to get out of our comfort zones.

Learn about food politics in our country; how it is all a game being played by lobbyists and advertising and uncaring, greedy corporations who are only in it for the money.

Learn about nutrition and how we can thrive on plant-based diets (with a B12 supplement.)

Learn about agribusiness and its pernicious effect on our planet. Learn about the clearcutting done in the Amazon Rainforest to grow soy to feed to the billions of chickens that end up in fast food restaurants or to make room for cattle grazing. Learn about the natural resources that are in jeopardy because of our SAD (Standard American Diet.)

Learn about the cruelty, confinement and suffering that animals endure just to satisfy human cravings and greed (for food, their skin, their secretions and body parts.) Meet a turkey or chicken (or pig, cow or calf). Hold one in your arms like you would your own beloved cat or dog, look in their eyes and ask your heart and conscience if you could still eat one.

This is not easy. People will criticize you and mock you and be threatened if you changed your diet and make a life-affirming choice, but it can be done. My head was in the sand for years. I could avoid responsibility that way. I've been there, so I speak from experience.

There are thousands of people going vegetarian and vegan every day. (It is something I have never regretted. I only wish that I had made the change sooner.) But you won't hear about all the emerging herbivores in the mainstream news. You have to dig deeper or read alternative press. There you will get the truth.

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» You said it, Joy7!!! Posted by: socialpsych
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Deny the truth all you you want, but...
Posted by: Janet4784 on Nov 23, 2006 8:58 AM   
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...causing the suffering of other beings for our pleasure is morally and ecologically devastating. Adam G doesn't need to eat meat and neither do any of us in our spoiled land of abundance, and that makes meat eating nothing but a choice of habit, refusal to see the suffering, or blind adherence to "that's the way we've always done it".
I saw a video of a day at a slaughterhouse 22 years ago and it changed my life. At least Adam G is partway there. Let's be thankful for those like him who see the horrors of factory farming. The nazi claptrap though, rather childlish. People get fearfully childish when their assumptions of entitlement are challenged.

Enjoy and show gratitude for the gifts you've been given at your celebrations today.

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hartsmart
Posted by: hartsmart on Nov 23, 2006 11:06 AM   
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Smart turkeys? Of course, but you will never seen them, the wild, wiley ones, in the bush.Their modern cousins? Dumb, dumb, dumb. In a hell of a fix waiting for artificially insamination to exist. Stopped by a trailerload of white turkeys heading for slaughter, they were smiling--"we are going for a fun ride"!

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Vote with your dollars
Posted by: joy7 on Nov 23, 2006 11:10 AM   
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Early in this century, the demand for animal meat was not what it is today, largely due to lack of advertising and the price of meat. Most people could not afford meat. It was for the wealthy or special occasions.

Along comes mechanized animal food production and suddenly meat is produced fast and cheap. Add into it billions of dollars in agribusiness subsidies, laws that favor corporate agribusiness and the proliferation of fast food restaurants and you'll see where we are today. Two excellent books: Fast Food Nation and Fat Land.

Modern, mechanized animal food production is unbalanced, abhorrent and deranged. Smithfield, Virginia-based Smithfield Foods, the world's largest pork processor, slaughters up to 34,000 hogs a day. Do the math: That's roughly 12.4 million pigs per year. 1417 pigs per hour every day. 23.61 pigs per minute every day. This is why your meat is so cheap.

Most family farms that were in business for generations cannot even begin to compete these days with producers who grow (like they were crops) chickens, turkeys, pigs and cows by the billions, e.g. Tyson Foods and Smithfield Foods. That is why 80-90% of the family farms that once existed in this country are gone.

Most people simply do not want to pay the real price of what meat (and dairy) cost (without subsidies and mechanization to slaughter). The true cost. Most people want their agribusiness-supplied McNuggets and Whoppers and baby-back ribs and grocery store chain meat and dairy dirt cheap.

IF there were only two choices: agribusiness animal products and small family farm animal products, I would chose the small farm products.

IF I still ate meat and dairy, I would buy them from an organic farmer or one who at least has a modicum of respect for the animals and feeds them properly and allows them to express their natural instincts and treats them humanely while they were living, similar to what Farmer AdamG is doing. Most small (organic, grass-fed, free-range) farms these days have come into existence as a backlash to agribusiness. Perhaps AdamG is one of them, and for that it is better to have a positive alternative than none at all.

Fortunately, there are many choices, one being that I chose to remove all animal products from my life. Ethically, I am for nothing less than the complete liberation of all animals. I knew I didn't need to eat animals to live and stay healthy (in fact, I am healthier without eating them), so why continue to eat them?

We simply do not know that “Animals that are domesticated choose so on some level.” How in the hell can we presume to know what any animal chooses?! (Even with a common language, we cannot even understand our own species.) Would a chicken choose to be debeaked or crammed in a batttery cage with 5-6 other chickens and have no room to fly or move around? Would a pig choose to have its tail docked? Would a calf choose to be chained in a stall and raised for veal? Would a dairy cow choose to be impregnanted and milked for 4-5 years, then sent to slaughter for hamburger meat?

Non-human animals should be allowed to live their lives without human animal (people) intervention. With the exception of Native Americans, humans have twisted and contorted and abused animals (on land, in the sea, in the air) to suit our purposes and satiate own appetites, and it has only caused havoc.

People, vote with your dollars. It's the only way to send a message to corporate agribusiness that you do not support their practices. Bypass chain restaurants and fast food places. Buy your own ingredients. Make your own meals. Move toward a plant-based diet. Eat at home more.

And if you really still live with the myth that you must eat animals, at least know where it comes from (besides the grocery store) and how the animal was treated while it was living.

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Nice sentiment, but not always feasible.
Posted by: carcinoid112 on Nov 23, 2006 4:31 PM   
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Ya know, I love it when my fellow Alternet progressive liberal folks get all into everybody's face to push their agenda. To be "correct" i'm supposed to give up my faith. To be correct, i'm supposed to modify my diet.

Ain't gonna happen, y'all. Lots of reasons. We'll start with the most problematic. I have cancer. A rare neuroendocrine cancer that is expressed as gastrointestinal cancer. I've had a chunk of my liver and a good sized part of my stomach removed. My cancer causes a need for LOTS of protien. Add to that an egg allergy. I cannot digest a lot of vegetables, including the ones I love the most. (I can still digest English Peas. I hate English Peas.) Oh, tofu and most soy products make me extremely ill as well...

The minute people hear that i'm a cancer "survivor" they go into their vegetarian rant. NO MEAT!! Protien shakes!! So, where do they get the protien for those shakes?? From eggs and soy. Hmmm, anaphylactic shock and death OR eat meat?? I'll eat the meat, thanks. Locally raised, organic-fed, eco-friendly meat?? Sure, as soon as somebody around here sells it at prices I can afford. Yer friendly Federal Gub'mint thinks that it's perfectly OK for the disabled and elderly to try to live on $580-$800 a month. (I say try it. Shelter and utilities get most of that, even on special reduced costs for the poor, medical co-pays and such get the rest.)

So, i'll take my $45 a month that I can sorta afford for food and see if I can get enough locally grown eco-friendly mostly protien food for a month. Nope, can't do it. Yep, that person searching the "scratch and dent" meat selections at the grocery store (and looking for the yellow markdown label at WalMart)?? that's me.

I've tried the alternatives. The lovely person that wanted to feed me when I came home from my last surgery--oh, no meat or fish or chicken!! It's BAD for you. At my three week check-up (6 days on her vege diet) I was anemic...at my 4 week check-up I was in the hospital with anaphylactic shock, severe anemia and non-healing incisions and drains because I was so malnourished. Seems the protien sources weren't as pure as advertized--egg and soy!!

Not everybody can do this, or should want to. Chiding us all for not following your dietary choices is...so terribly evangelical of you. Telling me how much healthier i'll be on a diet that could kill me only makes me want to tell you to climb down off the eco-cross, we need the wood for the supports for the compost box.

I don't digest fiber well (broccolli, my favorite veggie, even chewed well--3 days in the hospital when I ate a cup of broc/cheese soup--most organic/health food cereals, even high fiber breads), I can't eat soy and I can't eat eggs.

I guess i'll just have to continue destroying the planet and offending the animals. It's a tough, thankless job, but not just any turkey can do it.

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» RE: Nice sentiment, but not always feasible. Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
I met a turkey once...
Posted by: Scientz on Nov 23, 2006 4:49 PM   
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I got hungry.

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What a waste of an article
Posted by: Jordon on Nov 23, 2006 6:36 PM   
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This is stupid. Oh my god, 300 million turkeys are slaughtered each year?!! Wow. I don't care, they are turkeys, they have no more capacity for self awareness than plants. We cannot extend our care to all living creatures without overtaxing our emotions, we have to draw the line somewhere, I choose humans (and to some degree dogs, dolphins, monkeys and other creatures who have shown some signs of sentience). A turkey has no more emotion than a NPC in a computer game, it is simply a machine that doesn't want to die, its not a self-aware creature, it does not posses the complex emotions of a human. If we hold all life to be sacred, we won't move anywhere because we wouldn't want to kill any tiny micro organisms. The health concerns aside, meat tastes good, and I will continue to eat it and enjoy it. Now bring on the angry vegetarian's responses! I don't fear hippy pussies!

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» RE: What a waste of an article Posted by: mandiwrite
Turkeys are our food
Posted by: Jordon on Nov 23, 2006 6:42 PM   
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Just realized that my previous entry should have been titled as above. Its funnier.

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There are Alternatives....
Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 24, 2006 9:07 AM   
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www.madcowboy.com
This man was a lifelong cattle rancher who educated himself and is now a vegan.

www.peta.com
This site has great information about what really goes on with industrial animal 'farming' as they send people undercover to film it. Also great veggie recipes.

Tofu Turkey tastes good.
People who say it does not have never ate any.

We no longer live in a time where people must hunt for food.
To catch a wild salmon or shoot a healthy free buffalo is one thing...to buy meat full of chemicals from animals raised in cages and sent through a slaughterhouse is quite another.

Eating this meat is not progressive. We need to stop voting with our dollars for the very systems that inslave us.

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I agree with Colleen!
Posted by: Mark Hawthorne on Nov 24, 2006 9:19 AM   
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Thank you, Colleen, for reminding us that all sentient beings deserve our respect and protection.

As increasing numbers of individuals become aware of the cruelties involved in today's confinement-oriented animal agriculture, more people choose to pull support from these abusive industries and are leaving meat, eggs, and dairy products out of the grocery cart. The physical and psychological abuse inherent in poultry factory farming means that turkeys raised for food spend their days in overcrowded warehouse-type sheds with tens of thousands of other animals. These plants emphasize high volume and profit with minimal regard for human health, food safety, humane treatment of animals, or the environment. Not exactly something to give thanks for.

Yet the average consumer knows nothing about this or of factory farm conditions. By the time a turkey arrives in the frozen-food section of our neighborhood markets, he or she has literally been through a house of horrors. Hatched in an incubator, mass-produced turkeys know nothing of a caring mother. While the birds are young, workers amputate the turkeys’ toes and use a hot machine blade to burn off the tips of their beaks -- both without painkiller -- causing such physical disabilities that eating, walking, and even standing are often painful.

Denied access to the outdoors, factory farmed turkeys are not allowed to indulge in natural behaviors like foraging for their food, roosting, or even raising their young. Instead, these birds spend their brief lives living in their own excrement, as their eyes burn from the noxious ammonia permeating the sheds.

When they've reached market weight, the turkeys are grabbed by catchers, packed into crates, and loaded onto a truck. They travel for hours without food, water, or protection from the elements to the slaughter plant, where they are shackled upside down to a moving rail. Many slaughter plants first stun the birds in electrified water to immobilize them; however, the electrical current is often lower than what is required to render the birds unconscious because of concerns that excess electricity might damage the carcasses and diminish their value. Consequently, many turkeys are dismembered while fully conscious. Butchered, plucked, cleaned, and wrapped, the frozen turkey carcasses you see in the market have been stripped of all that made them individuals.

I spent my "Turkey Day" this year amid a number of domestic turkeys, each of whom was at one time destined for the dinner table, but is now free to demonstrate his/her curiosity, intelligence, and love of life. And I shared a delicious, cruelty-free meal with friends, sitting around a large table filled with mouth-watering vegetarian fare. We enjoyed a colorful, creative holiday that also embraced compassion. What better way is there to celebrate Thanksgiving?

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Thanks Compassionate Colleen!
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I really enjoyed this article and especially if you did too, please visit

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it could make a world of difference...

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I am soooooooooooo sick of turkey
Posted by: crusty on Nov 25, 2006 4:47 AM   
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That I have decided that from now on I will replace that stupid tasteless bird with Pork beef and mutton!

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We're all meat
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 25, 2006 4:55 AM   
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I believe we're able to mutilate certain animals for our gustatory pleasure because we don't have relationships with them.

The cats in my yard hunt birds for food and for fun. What kind of relationship is that? Is that "acceptable" because you don't believe that cats have souls? I do. I believe in the souls of cats and birds and cows and snakes and insects and everything else we eat that we or something else hunts. Our system of consumption is teribly out-of-whack (how much meat gets thrown away at the end of every day?), but that doesn't mean I buy that eating meat in of itself is cruel. Harmful to the individual animal killed, of course. But harmful to our existence? No.

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Chew on this, meat eating progressives:
Posted by: ToughLiberal on Nov 25, 2006 8:08 AM   
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Cesar Chavez (1927-1993, humanitarian, vegetarian)
Kindness and compassion toward all living things is a
mark of a civilized society. Conversely, cruelty, whether it is
directed against human beings or against animals, is not the exclusive province of any one culture or community of people; The love for justice that is in us is not only the best part of our being but it is also the most true to our nature.

Coats, C. David (Author, Old McDonald's (Factory) Farm)
Isn`t man an amazing animal? He kills wildlife -
birds, kangaroos, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes,
beavers, groundhogs, mice, foxes, and dingoes - by the
millions in order to protect his domestic animals and
their feed. Then he kills domestic animals by the
billions and eats them. This in turn kills man by the
million, because eating all those animals leads to
degenerative - and fatal - health conditions like
heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer. So then
man tortures and kills millions more animals to look
for cures for these diseases. Elsewhere, millions of
other human beings are being killed by hunger and
malnutrition because food they could eat is being used
to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, some people are
dying of sad laughter at the absurdity of man, who
kills so easily and so violently, and once a year
sends out a card praying for "Peace on Earth.

Darwin, Charles (1809 - 1882, English biologist, known
for his theory of evolution)
The love for all living creatures is the most noble
attribute of man. (The Descent of Man )

Da Vinci, Leonardo (1452 - 1519, Italian scientist,
painter, sculptor, and architect)
I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and
the time will come when men such as I will look upon
the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder
of men. (from da Vinci`s Notes )
Truly man is the king of beasts, for his brutality
exceeds theirs. We live by the death of others: We are
burial places! (from Merijkowsky`s Romance of Leonardo
da Vinci )

Einstein, Albert (1879 -1955, humanitarian, scientist)
It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living by
its purely physical effect on the human temperament
would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.
(Letter to Vegetarian Watch-Tower, December 27, 1930)
... Our task must be to free ourselves by widening
our circle of compassion to embrace all living
creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty.

Emerson, Ralph Waldo (1803 - 1883, American writer and
philosopher)
You have just dined; and however scrupulously the
slaughterhouse is concealed in a graceful distance of
miles, there is complicity. (Fate)

Francis of Assisi (1181 - 1226, Saint known for his
compassion for animals)
If you have men who will exclude any of God`s
creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you
will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow
man.

Gandhi, Mohandas (1869 - 1948, Indian Hindu social
reformer and nationalist leader)
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can
be judged by the way its animals are treated. (The
Moral Basis of Vegetarianism )
It ill becomes us to invoke in our daily prayers the
blessings of God, the compassionate, if we in turn
will not practice elementary compassion towards our
fellow creatures; To my mind, the life of a lamb is no
less precious than that of a human being.

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Part Two:
Posted by: ToughLiberal on Nov 25, 2006 8:13 AM   
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Merton, Thomas (1925 - 1968, author, philosopher,
mystic)
The mistreatment of animals in "intensive husbandry"
is, then, part of this larger practice of
insensitivity to general values and indeed to humanity
and life itself - a picture which more and more comes
to display the ugly lineaments (features) of what can
only be called by its right name: barbarism. (Unlived
Life )

Muir, John (1838-1914, Sierra Club Founder)
None of our fellow mortals is safe who eats what we
eat, who in any way interferes with our pleasures, or
who may be used for work or food, clothing or
ornament, or mere cruel, sportish amusement.

Pythagoras (580 - 500 B.C., Greek philosopher,
mathematics)
As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer
of lower living beings, he will never know health or
peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will
kill each other. (quoted by C. David Coats, Old
MacDonald`s Factory Farm, p. 157)

Schweitzer, Albert (1875 - 1965, theologian, renowned
medical missionary in Africa, winner of Nobel Peace
Prize, 1952)
We must fight against the spirit of unconscious
cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animls
suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow
us to impose such sufferings on them. ... Until he
extends the circle of his compassion to all living
things, man will not himself find peace. (The
Philosophy of Civilization )

Shelley, Percy Bysshe (1792 - 1822, British poet)
If the use of animal food be, in consequence,
subversive to the peace of human society, how
unwarrantable is the injustice and barbarity which is
exercised toward these miserable victims. They are
called into existence by human artifice that they may
drag out a short and miserable existence of slavery
and disease, that their bodies may be mutilated, their
social feelings outraged. (On the Vegetable System of
Diet )

Sinclair, Upton ( 1878 -1968 ; American author,
including "The Jungle")
At the same instant the ear was assailed by a most
terrifying shriek; the visitors started in alarm, the
women turned pale and shrank back. The shriek was
followed by another, louder and yet more agonizing -
for once started upon that journey, the hog never came
back; . . . (The Jungle )

Singer, Isaac Bashevis (1904 - 1990; author, winner
of Nobel Prize in literature)
I believe that the religion of the future will be
based on vegetarianism. As long as people will shed
the blood of innocent creatures there can be no peace,
no liberty, no harmony between people. Slaughter and
justice cannot dwell together.

Tolstoy, Leo (1828 - 1910; Russian novelist and social
commentator
A man can live and be healthy without killing animals
for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates
in taking animal life merely for the sake of his
appetite. And to act so is immoral. ... As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields.

Walker, Alice (American author)
As we talked of freedom and justice one day for all,
we sat down to steaks. I am eating misery, I thought,
as i took the first bite. And spit it out.. . ... The
animals of the world exist for their own reasons.
They were not made for humans any more than black
people were made for white people, or women created
for men.

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Time for some leftover turkey...
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With giblets!

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Weston Price was a nut job despite the cult that loves him
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Someone above mentioned Weston Price a few times as a sage of human diet, more or less. There's a whole cult who follow his butter worship -- really, these people worship the intake of butter.

Besides Mr. Price's fixation on butter, he went around the world photographing and measuring the widths of people's noses. You see, nose-width is a key to understanding human health, or at least it was for this nutjob back in the 1930's.

With the avalanche of modern scientific research on nutrition and diet (since Mr. Price's heyday), it's a wonder he has a following at all. But he does. Kind of like the Scientologists and how they are hell-bent on "debunking" modern psychiatry and psychology, and the science behind them, instead prefering the supposedly irrefutable and everlasting word of their nose-measurer and sci-fi novelist demi-gods.

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