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Was the CIA Involved in Bobby Kennedy's Assassination?

By Shane O'Sullivan, The Guardian. Posted November 20, 2006.


The story goes that Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated on June 6, 1968 by a lone gunman, but an author has compiled evidence implicating three CIA agents in the murder.
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At first, it seems an open-and-shut case. On June 5 1968, Robert Kennedy wins the California Democratic primary and is set to challenge Richard Nixon for the White House. After midnight, he finishes his victory speech at the Ambassador hotel in Los Angeles and is shaking hands with kitchen staff in a crowded pantry when 24-year-old Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan steps down from a tray-stacker with a "sick, villainous smile" on his face and starts firing at Kennedy with an eight-shot revolver.

As Kennedy lies dying on the pantry floor, Sirhan is arrested as the lone assassin. He carries the motive in his shirt-pocket (a clipping about Kennedy's plans to sell bombers to Israel) and notebooks at his house seem to incriminate him. But the autopsy report suggests Sirhan could not have fired the shots that killed Kennedy. Witnesses place Sirhan's gun several feet in front of Kennedy, but the fatal bullet is fired from one inch behind. And more bullet-holes are found in the pantry than Sirhan's gun can hold, suggesting a second gunman is involved. Sirhan's notebooks show a bizarre series of "automatic writing" - "RFK must die RFK must be killed - Robert F Kennedy must be assassinated before 5 June 68" - and even under hypnosis, he has never been able to remember shooting Kennedy. He recalls "being led into a dark place by a girl who wanted coffee", then being choked by an angry mob. Defence psychiatrists conclude he was in a trance at the time of the shooting and leading psychiatrists suggest he may have be a hypnotically programmed assassin.

Three years ago, I started writing a screenplay about the assassination of Robert Kennedy, caught up in a strange tale of second guns and "Manchurian candidates" (as the movie termed brainwashed assassins). As I researched the case, I uncovered new video and photographic evidence suggesting that three senior CIA operatives were behind the killing. I did not buy the official ending that Sirhan acted alone, and started dipping into the nether-world of "assassination research", crossing paths with David Sanchez Morales, a fearsome Yaqui Indian.

Morales was a legendary figure in CIA covert operations. According to close associate Tom Clines, if you saw Morales walking down the street in a Latin American capital, you knew a coup was about to happen. When the subject of the Kennedys came up in a late-night session with friends in 1973, Morales launched into a tirade that finished: "I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard." From this line grew my odyssey into the spook world of the 60s and the secrets behind the death of Bobby Kennedy.

Working from a Cuban photograph of Morales from 1959, I viewed news coverage of the assassination to see if I could spot the man the Cubans called El Gordo - The Fat One. Fifteen minutes in, there he was, standing at the back of the ballroom, in the moments between the end of Kennedy's speech and the shooting. Thirty minutes later, there he was again, casually floating around the darkened ballroom while an associate with a pencil moustache took notes.

The source of early research on Morales was Bradley Ayers, a retired US army captain who had been seconded to JM-Wave, the CIA's Miami base in 1963, to work closely with chief of operations Morales on training Cuban exiles to run sabotage raids on Castro. I tracked Ayers down to a small town in Wisconsin and emailed him stills of Morales and another guy I found suspicious - a man who is pictured entering the ballroom from the direction of the pantry moments after the shooting, clutching a small container to his body, and being waved towards an exit by a Latin associate.

Ayers' response was instant. He was 95% sure that the first figure was Morales and equally sure that the other man was Gordon Campbell, who worked alongside Morales at JM-Wave in 1963 and was Ayers' case officer shortly before the JFK assassination.

I put my script aside and flew to the US to interview key witnesses for a documentary on the unfolding story. In person, Ayers positively identified Morales and Campbell and introduced me to David Rabern, a freelance operative who was part of the Bay of Pigs invasion force in 1961 and was at the Ambassador hotel that night. He did not know Morales and Campbell by name but saw them talking to each other out in the lobby before the shooting and assumed they were Kennedy's security people. He also saw Campbell around police stations three or four times in the year before Robert Kennedy was shot.


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Patsy One and Patsy Two.
Posted by: edith on Nov 20, 2006 12:18 PM   
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I remember the shock of RFK's assasination: in preparation for an oveseas trip I thought it was some sort of bad joke on the alternative rock station I listened to in 1968.

Recently I reviewed several books written in the past five years about JFK's killing. The inferences lead straight to the Mafia and CIA officers involved with Cuba which had shut down the Mob's lucrative casinos.

RFK also in the Mob's view was a double crossing little pushy lawyer who made his reputation by public hot air about Hoffa, while JFK posed clean as a whistle. JFK had style and humor, and I miss him, but he was a bit of a cad too. His mistresses in some cases(not only one) were Mob-supplied, he did favors for Sinatra who in turn worked with Joe SR Kennedy to buy the 1960 elections. Right or not the Mob thought it had bought itself "protectioin" by its technical assistance in W.Va and in Illinois in 1960.

Conveniently Sirhan pops up, w/no access problems, the nite bobby was beginning his final and most likely successful push to power.

I well remember Bobby putting on his sympathatic vulnerable self on a PBS show(Cavettt? Susskind) a couple of weeks before his murder. As he quoted Aeschylus he was not so far up in the Olympic clouds to assure Americans that he would approve the sale of Phantom Jets to Israel, Remember that the Israelis had just conquered much Arab territiory in the previous summer, and were making no effort to comply w/world pressure to withdraw.

What better patsy than a loser like Sirhan. He was Patsy Two, and Oswald was Patsy One. If a tactic works once, try it again in similar circumstances, right?

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» They are not still alive... Posted by: brunowe
» Not so simple Posted by: johndoraemi
» RE: Patsy One and Patsy Two. Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Patsy One and Patsy Two. Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Patsy One and Patsy Two. Posted by: Conservasaurus
» CIA and the Mob Posted by: zipper696
» RE: Patsy One and Patsy Two. Posted by: richviss
Just in time for the holidays...
Posted by: brunowe on Nov 20, 2006 12:49 PM   
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...the 9/11 conspiracy people have a new toy to play with.

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» Oh, that old excuse... Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Oh, that old excuse... Posted by: dubone
» RE: Oh, that old excuse... Posted by: Umberto2
Good Work - rogue CIA elements must be expunged and held accountable..
Posted by: meliom on Nov 20, 2006 12:48 PM   
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This story points out a far too familiar pattern: rogue Intelligence Agents assassinating popular leaders, fomenting terror, training terrorist organizations, and a long bloody trail of similar illegal and immoral actions -- completely under the protection that membership in these agencies provide them.

How can we deal with this nefarious element of our government, without banning the CIA and FBI altogether?

They kill our leaders and the leaders of other nations with impunity, protected by the impenetrable "national security" cover.

We are indeed living in dark times.

FYI: This same rogue element appears to be behind the greatest myth of the 21st century: the 911 terrorist attacks (except that the terrorists are none other than our own agents!)

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» rogue? Posted by: harpy
we will never know
Posted by: revolutionary80 on Nov 20, 2006 2:17 PM   
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I think you are definately on to something, i remember watching a tv show about this a few years ago and coming to my own conclusion that the CIA was behind the death of both Kennedys. Sirhan Sirhan just didnt fit the profile when all was said and done and the note he left at his house definately made me suspect hypnosis but if you think the CIA will ever come clean on this then you must think the KGB will be coming clean soon. Face the feacts we may never know the full truth just like 9-1-1 and many other events I question. Great article nonetheless.

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Did these men kill Bobby Kennedy?
Posted by: John Simkin on Nov 20, 2006 2:31 PM   
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In his fascinating article, “Did these men kill Bobby Kennedy” (20th November) Shane O’Sullivan refers to the statement made by David Sanchez Morales in 1973 about John and Robert Kennedy: “I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard." This information was first obtained by Gaeton Fonzi, a staff investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), who interviewed two men who heard Morales make this statement, Robert Walton and Bob Dorff. What is more, recently declassified documents reveal that Morales was involved in a CIA assassination program in the 1960s.

It is also interesting that George Joannides was also at the Ambassador Hotel on the night of the assassination. Joannides was brought out of retirement to serve as the CIA liaison officer to the HSCA. The CIA did not tell the HSCA that in August 1963 Joannides had a professional responsibility to report on contacts between Lee Harvey Oswald and members of the Cuban Student Directorate (DRE). At the time, Joannides was secretly guiding and monitoring DRE’s leadership in Miami and providing them up to $25,000 a month.

When G. Robert Blakey, chief counsel of the HSCA, recently became aware of this fact, and he issued a statement where he said: "I am no longer confident that the Central Intelligence Agency co-operated with the committee.... I was not told of Joannides' background with the DRE, a focal point of the investigation. Had I known who he was, he would have been a witness who would have been interrogated under oath by the staff or by the committee. He would never have been acceptable as a point of contact with us to retrieve documents.” Blakey started a campaign with the Washington Post journalist, Jeff Morley, to persuade the CIA to release all the records Joannides generated in the summer of 1963. However, despite the passing of the 1992 JFK Assassination Records Act, the CIA is still refusing to allow these documents to enter the public domain.

In his article Shane O’Sullivan points out that one CIA agent, Tom Clines, denied that the photograph published in the Guardian was of George Joannides and Gordon Campbell. This is not surprising as Clines was a member of Ted Shackley’s Secret Team at JMWAVE in 1960s. I sent the photograph to two contacts. One worked with the men in Miami in 1963 and the other has access to the CIA photographic archives. Both said that they were nearly 100% certain that the photograph is of Joannides and Campbell.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcampbellG.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKjoannides.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKayers.htm

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Conspiracy Nonsense
Posted by: Boomerang on Nov 20, 2006 2:46 PM   
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Why does Alternet continue to post these articles? What purpose is served by continually posting this and all the 9.11 conspiracy bullshit? Does Alternet want to lose all credibility?

This intense "THE CIA IS EVERYWHERE!" paranoia is INSANE. Robert Kennedy was assassinated by a CIA hypno-programmed goon? Does that not reek of desperation and nonsense?

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tragic
Posted by: WhatNow? on Nov 20, 2006 3:11 PM   
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It is a terrible shame he was murdered. He would have done alot better job than nixon.

Thanks for the article. I learned a little more.

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» RE: tragic Posted by: edith
Hmmm.
Posted by: slightlyleftof castro on Nov 20, 2006 4:16 PM   
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My husband pointed out a few years ago that a Kennedy was shot in Texas and a Texan became president. A Kennedy was shot in California and a Californian became president. Interesting, don't you think?

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» He was doomed Posted by: edith
Shadow Government
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Nov 20, 2006 4:30 PM   
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"There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy,its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."
— Senator Daniel K. Inouye at the Iran Contra Hearings

“The National Security Act of ‘47 gave us the National Security Council. Never have we had a National Security Council so concerned about the nation’s security that we’re always looking for threats and looking how to orchestrate our society to oppose those threats. National Security was invented, almost, in 1947, and now it has become the prime mover of everything we do as measured against something we invented in 1947."
-- U.S. Navy Admiral Gene La Rocque

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Thank you Alternet
Posted by: RYancey on Nov 20, 2006 4:43 PM   
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The fact is our governments have assassinated many people, including Black Panther members, Native Americans (Pine Ridge), and probably Martin Luther King, as well as JFK and RFK. To be concerned about this behavior and the inability of our congress to investigate these murders honestly strikes at the foundations of our (pseudo?) democracy. I am not a conspiracy theorist but neither am I a fool. One of the most disturbing aspects is the protection afforded the killers. It would seem as though the entire congress, investigative agencies, and media, are in on the cover-up. This violence and dishonesty are the most damaging and bizarre realities in our country. We don't need more theories, we need evidence and the political will to investigate and proscecute. We need men of integrity in our congress like Paul Wellstone, oh wait, he died in a suspicious plane crash...

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» Bush involvement Posted by: harpy
» RE: Bush involvement Posted by: symcokid
I am a cynic
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 20, 2006 5:20 PM   
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I would put nothing past Richard Nixon, nor past the current crop of neocons. Power is everything to them, and they will destroy anyone who gets in their way, either by reputation or murder. Sorry neocons, thats how I feel.

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» Dixiecrats and Neocons Posted by: kogwonton
» Not just Nixon Posted by: indy675
Newsnight Documentary: Part 1
Posted by: John Simkin on Nov 21, 2006 3:53 AM   
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The media is aware that a large percentage of the population is interested in political conspiracies. They rightly believe that the people in power are willing to withhold information that suggests that we do not live in a free and open democracy. The media goes along with this conspiracy that dates back to the emergence of democracy in the 19th century. This is usually justified on the grounds of “national security” but in reality it is a much more complex issue than that. For example, see details of the CIA’s Operation Mockingbird that has been running since the late 1940s:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm
The media in the UK and the US has always been willing to run stories of conspiracies based in foreign countries that don’t involve their own agents, for example the current Alexander Litvinenko case. That is not to say he was not poisoned but it does raise the question why the media has been less interested in exploring the deaths of those who were investigating the JFK assassination. See the following:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdeaths.htm
The same could be asked about the death of David Kelly. The available evidence suggests that it was highly unlikely he committed suicide but the media has largely ignored this story. Despite the media cover-up of these suspicious deaths, the public are not fooled. Public opinion polls since 1963 suggest that over 80% of the American people believe that John Kennedy was killed as a result of a conspiracy. They also know that their government has consistently lied about the assassination and despite the passing of the 1992 JFK Assassination Records Act, the CIA is still refusing to allow over a million relevant documents to enter the public domain. The justification of “national security” is hardly relevant when we are talking about an event that took place over 40 years ago.

BBC Newsnight is to be congratulated for running the Shane O’Sullivan’s piece. However, it is important to recognize that there were serious problems with this report. The identification of Gordon Campbell is highly dubious. Although the CIA does have photographs of Campbell, they have not entered the public domain. My sources, who have seen photographs of Campbell, say that the man in the picture shown on Newsnight looks like him, but they cannot be certain.

In the film Bradley Ayers and David Rabern suggest it is Campbell. Rabern is a new name to me and I found his testimony unconvincing. Ayers was definitely at JM-WAVE in 1963. His books, The War That Never Was (1976) and The Zenith Secret: A CIA Insider Exposes the Secret War Against Cuba and the Plot that Killed the Kennedy Brothers (2006) recount the rumours that were circulating about David Sanchez Morales in 1963. However, he is unable to provide any evidence that Morales was behind the assassination of either JFK or RFK.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKayers.htm

But Campbell is a red herring. As a close colleague of Morales his presence in the Ambassador Hotel would have been interesting but not conclusive.

What is important is the testimony of two very respectable witnesses: Wayne Smith and Ed Lopez. They are convinced that the pictures show that David Sanchez Morales and George Joannides were both in the hotel on the day RFK was assassinated.

The CIA has managed to keep all photographs out of the public domain. However, thanks to the great work of James Richards, we do have several pictures of Morales.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CIAmorales.htm

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go
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 21, 2006 3:53 AM   
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Assassinations come and go as surely as the new fallen snow for we are all built by Nature and human beings are still beasts who kill to advance their stubborn obsessions.

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Newsnight Documentary: Part 11
Posted by: John Simkin on Nov 21, 2006 3:54 AM   
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In fact, the photograph and caption of the picture of Morales that appeared in the Phoenix newspaper in 1977 was the main reason he was murdered in 1978. It was also necessary because Gaeton Fonzi, chief investigator of the House Select Committee on Assassinations had discovered evidence of Morales’ role in the death of JFK and he had been ordered to appear before the HSCA.

Most people would find it difficult to believe that the men involved in the planning the assassinations of JFK and RFK would have wanted to be at the scene of the crime. However, you have to understand the arrogance of these men. They were working for the CIA and knew that they would be completely protected if any information came out about their involvement. Here for example here is a photograph of another CIA operative who worked closely with Morales at JMWAVE in 1963, Rip Robertson, at Dealey Plaza:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrobertsonW.htm

David Sanchez Morales was definitely involved in the assassination. According to a filmed interview with Gene Wheaton last year, Carl E. Jenkins and Rafael Quintero, two other CIA operatives at JMWAVE, were also involved in the killing of JFK. Jenkins and Quintero refused to answer my questions (via Don Bohning) about their involvement in the assassination. Quintero died last month but Jenkins is still alive and needs to be interviewed on camera.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKjenkinsC.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKquintero.htm

Hopefully, the BBC will commission a follow-up documentary on Morales, Jenkins, Quintero and other members of Ted Shackley’s Secret Team (Tom Clines and Edwin Wilson who both refused to identify Morales in the Newsnight documentary were both members of Shackley’s team and were later sent to prison for their involvement in illegal contract work).

For more information on these characters who were not only involved in the assassinations of JFK and RFK, but also brought down Jimmy Carter in 1980 and helped to make sure that Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush (Shakley even wrote some of his speeches) were elected, see:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm

If you want to provide me with information on this or any other political scandal, send me an email at: johnsimkin1945@hotmail.com

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Who owns the CIA?
Posted by: shangrilalad on Nov 21, 2006 6:27 AM   
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Who do you think controls the CIA, liberals or the Rabid Right?

How many liberals do think are employed by the CIA?

If there are any liberals at the CIA, what do you think their chances are of career advancement?

Most of the Director’s of the CIA, (like George Herbert Walker Bush) came from the plutocratic class, or were their handpicked cohorts

I think both Kennedy’s were killed at the behest of the Rabid Right.

The day John F. Kennedy was assassinated, a Dallas newspaper headline reviled him as a traitor. The Rabid Right despised the Kennedys for their stance on civil rights.

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REALITY to SNAKE OIL
Posted by: Hal on Nov 21, 2006 11:37 AM   
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P.T. Barnum never denied saying the words “there is a sucker born every minute”.

Anyone that takes the RFK, JFK, MLK assassinations or 911 cover-up at face value is either a fool or sellout. A country rife with one or the other easily explains why the U.S. with its American sheep and wolves are held in contempt the world over.

The CIA has overthrown 20 democracies since WW2 at the cost of millions of innocent lives for cashbox corporate greed. That was just the democracies (Saddam was installed by CIA and British agents from 1959 to murder up to a million of his own for Iraq Petroleum Co. until officially suckered to take Kuwait and betrayed for Gulf War I).

A secret police agency created and designed to prosecute oligarch mob agendas would hardly stop at home to promote monopolist corporate crime. Those that doubt CIA and DC complicity for the RFK hit know less than nothing of global history or its cartel lessons.



“IT (THE WARREN COMMISSION) WAS THE GREATEST HOAX THAT HAS EVER BEEN PERPETRATED.”
PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON (as recorded on tape, speaking about the Warren Commission as the official JFK assassination government “investigation” to his chief of staff and special counsel in the oval office. May 15. 1972)

"THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T READ."
ALLEN DULLES (a quip attributed to ex CIA director and prime member of the Warren Commission when asked about dramatic inconsistencies in the final report that claimed to prove Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of JFK. 1964)

“THERE EXISTS A SHADOWY GOVERNMENT WITH ITS OWN AIR FORCE, ITS OWN NAVY, ITS OWN FUNDRAISING MECHANISM, AND THE ABILITY TO PURSUE ITS OWN IDEAS OF NATIONAL INTEREST, FREE FROM ALL CHECKS AND BALANCES, AND FREE FROM THE LAW ITSELF.”
SENATOR DANIEL K. INOUYE – (on secret government – Iran Contra Hearings.1987)

"I NEVER WOULD HAVE AGREED TO THE FORMATION OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN '47, IF I HAD KNOWN IT WOULD BECOME THE AMERICAN GESTAPO. "
PRESIDENT HARRY S TRUMAN (conservative Democrat on abuse of police state power, 1961)

“HOW FORTUNATE FOR GOVERNMENTS THAT PEOPLE THEY ADMINISTER DON’T THINK.”
ADOLF HITLER (German fascist dictator and conqueror of Europe, 1889-1945)

"THE REAL RULERS IN WASHINGTON ARE INVISIBLE AND EXERCISE POWER BEHIND THE SCENES."
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE FELIX FRANKFURTER. (on the nature of political and money power 1951)

“BEHIND THE OSTENSIBLE GOVERNMENT SITS ENTHRONED AN INVISIBLE GOVERNMENT OWING NO ALLEGIANCE AND ACKNOWLEDGING NO RESPONSIBLILITY TO THE PEOPLE. TO DESTROY THIS INVISIBLE GOVERNMENT, TO BEFOUL THE UNHOLY ALLIANCE BETWEEN CORRUPT BUSINESS AND CORRUPT POLITICS IS THE FIRST TASK OF THE STATESMANSHIP OF TODAY.”
PRESIDENT THEODORE ROOSEVELT (denouncing a global money power cartel, President from 1901-1909. Quote1906)

"THE REAL TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, AS YOU AND I KNOW, THAT A FINANCIAL ELEMENT IN THE LARGER CENTERS HAS OWNED THE GOVERNMENT EVER SINCE THE DAYS OF ANDREW JACKSON.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (describing oligarch rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House, confidence man for the cartel and founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. House also handled President Wilson in the foisting of a private and unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation and its IRS in 1913. FDR speaks of monopolists at cartel centers of New York & London that own the U.S. Government. November 21st, l933)

“THE RULING CLASS HAS THE SCHOOLS AND PRESS UNDER ITS THUMB. THIS ENABLES IT TO SWAY THE EMOTIONS OF THE MASSES.”
DOCTOR ALBERT EINSTEIN (Nobel Laureate and refugee from Nazi fascism. 1879-1955)

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Federal Reserve Question
Posted by: aonghus36 on Nov 21, 2006 12:23 PM   
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There has been questions about Kennedy's plan for removing
Americans dependence on the Federal Reserve, namely Executive Order 11110. Someone calling himself/herself "Mite"
has brought this up. Is there anything to it? I don't suggest that this would be the one and only factor in the JFK, and later RFK assasination, especially since there may be more than one working in concert with each other.

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CIA Keeping Secrets
Posted by: hole11 on Nov 21, 2006 5:19 PM   
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I imagine the primary duty of the CIA is to keep secrets from the rest of us.

Perhaps the Kennedys were close to exposing well kept secrets.

I would like to sit back and find out who did it all and why. That is the most interesting thing about life. The secrets. The undiscovered. I would hate to find out that everything is set up against me. You name the organization or government and it's all against me from getting ahead in life as a slave paper carrying wage serf.

I could go back to the revolution for conspiracies. Talk about Benedict Arnold and all those people claiming there is another conspiracy nut in the midst just suddenly stfu.

I could mention the civil war and mention the most interesting man during that whole time and how he wound up in France with a whole new name after he worked as the queen of england's personal barrister. The conservative conspiracy accusers would also stfu.

Then what? Financial market manipulations. Market panicks? Communism? WWI? WWII? New Deal? Federal Reserve System? No conspiracies?

Then we get to the 60's after a Korean conflict and there is no more conspiracies? Wow.

I can tell you that we can lock up everyone we can with Nixon or Clinton's police state/crime bill and we will never get the true criminals.

So I sit back and try to figure out what is the truth from the fiction. Shouldn't be a crime in that.

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CIA Disinformation on Shane O'Sullivan's Film (1)
Posted by: John Simkin on Nov 22, 2006 3:57 AM   
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It has been suggested by disinformation agents on the web that in his Newsnight film, Did the CIA kill Bobby Kennedy, that Shane O’Sullivan has falsely claimed that David Sanchez Morales, Gordon Campbell and George Joannides were in the Ambassador Hotel on the night that RFK was killed.
For example, Mel Ayton, posted this on the BBC Newsnight blog: “I believe David Morales has been misidentified. I have run the LAPD film footage through numerous times since last night's programme. I believe it is a ridiculous stretch of the imagination to take O'Sullivan's clips, match it with the only photo of Morales available, which O'Sullivan referenced, then conclude it is Morales.”
For a start, there is not only one photograph of Morales available. See the following photographs here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CIAmorales.htm

On the far left of the bottom picture is Robert Walton, one of those in Shane O’Sullivan’s film who helped to identify Morales. Details of the rest of the people in the photograph can be found here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm

Walton was not the only one. Wayne S. Smith, who worked with Morales in the American Embassy in Havana in 1960 also identified Morales from the film. So did Bradley Ayers who knew him at JMWAVE in 1963.

The most important result of Shane’s film is that he has helped to publicize the existence of Morales. Unlike other CIA agents, Morales, did not keep his secrets. The problem for Morales was that he was indiscrete when drunk. In 1960 Wayne Smith was a State Department officer in the American Embassy in Havana whereas Morales was stationed there as an undercover CIA agent. Wayne tells the story of being in a bar in Havana with Morales. After a heavy drinking session Morales began talking about the CIA’s secret operations that involved frog men operating out of Guantanamo Bay.

Another example of Morales indiscretion was allowing his photograph to be taken by Kevin Schofield at the El Molino restaurant on 4th August, 1973. The picture appeared in the Arizona Republic with the following text: “Feted by friends at a fiesta Saturday was former American counsul to Cuba, David Sanchez, left, who was in that country when Castro took over… In government service for 28 years, Sanchez is now consultant in the office of deputy director for Operations Counter-insurgency and Special Activities in Washington.”

This was the greatest crime any CIA agent can commit and as a result he was forced to resign from the agency. However, he continued to make regular trips to Washington. When asked about this by his friend Ruben Carbajal, Morales replied: “Oh, they run into some problems, I have to go up there and take care of them. These people never let go of you.”

Morales built a new house at El Frita, which is about half-way between Willcox and the Mexican border. Morales told another friend, Bob Walton, that he had put in the best security system in the United States. Walton said, “What do you need so much security for? You're still thirty miles from the Mexican border.” Morales replied, “I'm not worried about those people, I'm worried about my own."

Morales had lots of enemies within and without the CIA. According to fellow CIA agent, Robert N. Wall: "He (Morales) was a rough-neck. He was a bully, a hard-drinker and big enough to get away with a lot of stuff other people couldn't get away with.” During the 1950s and 1960s Morales became known as the CIA's top assassin in Latin America.

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CIA Disinformation on Shane O'Sullivan's Film (2)
Posted by: John Simkin on Nov 22, 2006 3:59 AM   
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According to CIA agent Tom Clines, Morales helped Felix Rodriguez capture Che Guevara in 1965. "We all admired the hell out of the guy. He drank like crazy, but he was bright as hell. He could fool people into thinking he was stupid by acting stupid, but he knew about cultural things all over the world. People were afraid of him. He was big and aggressive, and he had this mystique. Stories about him permeated the Agency. If the Agency needed someone action-oriented, he was at the top of the list. If the U.S. government as a matter of policy needed someone or something neutralized, Dave would do it, including things that were repugnant to a lot of people.”

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKclinesT.htm

Morales moved to Chile in 1970. He was a member of the team that used $10 million in order to undermine left-wing forces in the country. Morales told friends that he had personally eliminated several political figures. He was also involved in helping Augusto Pinochet overthrow Salvador Allende in September, 1973.

After arriving back in the United States Morales moved to Washington where he became Consultant to the Deputy Director for Operations Counter Insurgency and Special Activities. Larry Hancock has recently found evidence that indicates that during this period he provided advice to right-wing governments involved in Operation Condor (Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile, Brazil and Argentina).

Gaeton Fonzi, staff investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HUCA) found out about Morales from CIA asset, Paul Bethel, who worked for David Atlee Phillips. It was suggested that Morales might have been the “Latin-looking” man seen with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans during the summer of 1963.

Fonzi had also read David Phillips’s autobiography, ‘The Night Watch’. It includes a reference to a CIA agent who used the code-name Hector (Rip Robertson) and his “sidekick ‘El Indio’, a massive American of Mexican and Indian extraction I had seen only briefly during the revolt (the CIA-stage 1954 Guatemala coup) but was to work with in other operations over the years.” El Indio was of course Morales.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKphillips.htm

When Fonzi interviewed Phillips on behalf of the HSCA he asked him about Morales. Phillips said that Morales was an unimportant figure in the CIA and suggested that he might have died as a result of his heavy drinking. At this stage Morales was still alive. What is more, Morales was far from being an important figure, he had in fact been Chief of Operations at JM/WAVE in 1963 and at the centre of the operation to kill Fidel Castro. The operation that was later turned to kill John F. Kennedy. Fonzi also discovered that Morales had worked very closely with John Rosselli, who also played a key role in the plots against Castro. Rosselli was to be one of the first people to be interviewed by the HSCA but went missing in July 1976. His body was later discovered in the Intracoastal Waterway in North Miami. He had been cut up and stuffed into a 55-gallon steel drum.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKroselli.htm

No wonder that Morales was worried about his own health during the HSCA investigations. Rip Robertson had died in 1970 and could not be interviewed. William Pawley had committed suicide in 1977. The other key figure, Carl E. Jenkins, had remained deeply undercover and was not being investigated by the HSCA.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrobertsonW.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKpawley.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKjenkinsC.htm

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CIA Disinformation on Shane O'Sullivan's Film (3)
Posted by: John Simkin on Nov 22, 2006 4:00 AM   
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Morales made his last trip to Washington in early May, 1978. Ruben Carbajal had a drink with Morales a few days later. Carbajal told him he looked unwell. He replied: “I don’t know what’s wrong with me. Ever since I left Washington I haven’t been feeling very comfortable”. That night he was taken to hospital. Carbajal went to visit him the next morning. As Carbajal later recalled: “They wouldn’t let no one in, they had his room surrounded by sheriff’s deputies.” Later that day (8th May) the decision was taken to withdraw life support. Morales’s wife, Joanne, requested that there should not be an autopsy. The CIA took good care of her and she moved to a fine house in Boston and according to Fonzi spent her time “pursuing her studies in Chinese antiquities”.

Fonzi never got the chance to interview Morales. Unlike, the recent case of Alexander Litvinenko, the poisoning of Morales received no publicity. After all, it is only the Russians who kill people who pose a threat to the stability of the state.

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JFK, RFK, Nixon and the CIA (1)
Posted by: John Simkin on Nov 22, 2006 11:34 PM   
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RFK was concerned about the reputation of the Kennedy family. He knew that any attempt he made in the future to become president, the reputation of his brother would play a significant role.

It has to be remembered that when JFK was elected in 1960 he was judged to be more right-wing that Richard Nixon on foreign policy issues. For example, John Foster Dulles and Richard Bissell both provided JFK information about the proposed invasion of Cuba during the election campaign. As a result, JFK was able to attack Nixon for being soft on communism as the Eisenhower administration had done nothing to get rid of Castro. Nixon was of course unable to reveal what was really going on behind the scenes.

Nixon believed that the CIA leadership played a vital role in his defeat in 1960. He never forgave the CIA for this treachery and this is why he attempted to sort out the agency when he became president in 1968. The CIA fought back and set up Nixon over Watergate. When Richard Helms, refused to help him cover-up Watergate, he threatened Helms with exposing him for the role he played in the cover-up of the JFK assassination.

Richard Helms was in overall control of the CIA investigation into Oswald and replaced John Whitten as chief investigator with James Jesus Angleton when he got too close to the truth.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwhitten.htm

William Sullivan, the man who carried out the FBI investigation into Oswald, worked for the Nixon administration and had told him the full story of the Warren Commission cover-up. Sullivan was murdered before he could appear before the House Select Committee on Assassinations but his heavily censored autobiography, that were published after his death, makes clear that in his opinion Oswald was not a lone gunman.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsullivan.htm

When Helms refused to help, Nixon sacked him and replaced him with James Schlesinger. On 9th May, 1973, Schlesinger issued a directive to all CIA employees: “I have ordered all senior operating officials of this Agency to report to me immediately on any activities now going on, or might have gone on in the past, which might be considered to be outside the legislative charter of this Agency. I hereby direct every person presently employed by CIA to report to me on any such activities of which he has knowledge. I invite all ex-employees to do the same. Anyone who has such information should call my secretary and say that he wishes to talk to me about activities outside the CIA’s charter.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKschlesingerJ.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhelms.htm

This was dynamite and the CIA now had to destroy Nixon before he destroyed them. This is why the CIA, in the form of Richard Ober (Deep Throat), provided information on Watergate to Bob Woodward at the Washington Post.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKober.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwoodward.htm

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JFK, RFK, Nixon and the CIA (2)
Posted by: John Simkin on Nov 22, 2006 11:34 PM   
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This is why the CIA felt so betrayed by JFK over the Bay of Pigs. Before his election he had assured Dulles he would fully support the plan. Not only did he not do this, he punished the CIA by sacking Dulles and Bissell for trying to carry out a plan he approved.

An important ingredient of the Bay of Pigs plan was the assassination of Fidel Castro. In fact, without the death of Castro, the plan stood no chance of success. JFK allowed these assassination plots to go ahead. In fact, he put RFK in charge of them. As CIA officers testified later, RFK put them under a great deal of pressure to carry out this assassination. However, this was called off by JFK after the Cuban Missile Crisis. One of the reasons that JFK was assassinated was because in 1963 he was carrying out secret negotiations with Castro via Lisa Howard. She was murdered in 1965 but the documents about these secret talks have now been released:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhowardL2.htm

This was one of the stories that RFK was being blackmailed with. The original plan was to blame Castro for the assassination (motivation – retaliation against JFK for the attempts on his life) in order to trigger an invasion of Cuba. This would have got rid of Castro and blackened the reputation of the Kennedys.

The other thing RFK was being blackmailed over was the death of Marilyn Monroe. Of course, he had nothing to do with it, but they had collected a great deal of evidence to suggest that RFK had organized the killing. For example, see Dorothy Kilgallen’s report in the New York Journal American the day before Monroe died. Kilgallen was murdered in 1965.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkilgallen.htm

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CIA?
Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 23, 2006 1:30 PM   
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I always thought it was the FBI, with some help by the Teamsters. J. Edgar despised RFK and the crooks who ran the Teamsters Union knew he (RFK) was coming after them.
In any event, I never thought it was a lone crazed gunman.
It probably was the CIA. The FBI would have botched it.

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» RE: CIA? Posted by: symcokid
Imagine
Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 25, 2006 10:06 AM   
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Imagine our world if John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and John Lennon were alive today.

Just these four men. Imagine.
Do I think the government murdered these men?
You bet.

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» RE: Imagine Posted by: give_peace_a_chance
Who shot Bobby Kennedy?
Posted by: boing007 on Nov 27, 2006 8:41 AM   
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Did the entry and exit bullet wounds arrive from different angles?

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» RE: Who shot Bobby Kennedy? Posted by: symcokid
DID THE CIA KILL BOBBY KENNEDY?
Posted by: Mel Ayton on Nov 29, 2006 12:30 PM   
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SEE:http://hnn.us/articles/32193.html

http://www.crimemagazine.com/05/robertkennedy,0508-5.htm

This is what Miami reporter Don Bohning said about Ayers in his book 'The Castro Obsession: U.S. Covert Operations Against Cuba, 1959-1965'.
"Ayers was to become so emotionally involved, both in the Cuban exile cause and with a Cuban refugee woman, that Shackley terminated him. Shackley, (JMWAVE station chief) in an interview, recalled Ayers as a 'strange guy' although acknowledging Ayers potrayal of the station activities was generally accurate as far as it went. 'He [Ayers] was assigned to do training...real gung ho. He came with the impression he was going to train and then lead a team into Cuba. That was always a problem with the Special Forces. When they found they were not going to lead a team they became enamored of the Cuban cause. He started messing around with some female down there. We could see problems and ordered him to return to his parent unit. He was basically a good guy, but they go native.' Shackley said that the station had "maybe fifteen or so military trainers at any one time."

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