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Bush's Desire for a Conflict With Iran Is A Crisis Made in Israel

By Scott Ritter, Nation Books. Posted November 20, 2006.


One must recognize the role that the Holocaust plays on the psyche of Israel to understand why it would never tolerate a nuclear Iran.
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The following is an excerpt from Scott Ritter's new book "Target Iran: The Truth About the White House's Plans for Regime Change" (Nation Books, 2006).

To understand Israel's present stance on Iran, perhaps the best place to begin is at Yad Vashem, Israel's main Holocaust museum and memorial. It is at Yad Vashem that Israelis reflect on the very reason there is a modern Israeli state, namely because of the genocidal forces that brought so much suffering upon the Jewish people in the past century. Modern Israelis are also reminded here of the political forces that continue to seek the elimination of not only the Jews, but also Israel itself.

Recognizing the powerful influence that the Holocaust plays on the psyche of Israel is not just important in terms of understanding why Israel would never tolerate the existence of forces opposed to its survival, but also how an issue of such emotional depth has the potential to poison an environment, to the point that Israel and its supporters can support policies that can end up being exploited for purposes that are detrimental to the long-term survival and prosperity of the Israeli state.

Anyone who has visited Israel as an official guest, as I have done a number of times, has been provided a tour of that tiny nation, and as such can sense Israel's perceived vulnerability. There is a certain paranoia that dominates the Israeli psyche, one that is not without some merit. The high number of suicide attacks bears witness to the reality that there are in fact organizations and people "out there" who seek to do harm to the state of Israel and the Israeli people.

It should come as no surprise then that senior Israeli politicians chose Yad Vashem as the place from which to make clear the Israeli policy regarding Iran's nuclear ambitions. On this year's Holocaust Remembrance Day two Iranian-born Jews delivered these remarks. "I call on the Western world to not stand silently in the face of the nations that are trying to acquire nuclear weapons and [who] preach the destruction of the State of Israel," Israeli President Moshe Katsav remarked during prepared remarks made at Yad Vashem. On the same day, at the opening of the Center for Iranian Studies at Tel Aviv University, outgoing Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz highlighted Israel's contention that Iran had funded terror groups operating inside the Palestinian territories with close to $10 million in financial assistance since the start of 2006. Mr. Mofaz went on to say that the Israeli policy should be focused on seeking the demise of the current regime in Tehran.

However, there is an element of hypocrisy inherent in the Israeli position. Israel possesses nuclear weapons capabilities that were acquired surreptitiously, and fields a force of modern ballistic missiles capable of firing nuclear warheads into not only Iran, but also every other nation in the region. The irony of Israel, a nation born of the Holocaust and alone among Middle Eastern nations in possessing the holocaust-generating power of nuclear weapons, condemning Iran for its rhetoric while itself espousing the demise of the Iranian government, is lost on few outside of Israel and the United States, and for a large part explains why the legitimacy of the Israeli concerns about Iran to a large extent fall on deaf ears.

The reality of the Holocaust (from an historical perspective) and the concept of the Holocaust (regarding Israel's future) dominate the national security thinking of the Israeli state. It is wrong to characterize the emotions and beliefs of over five million people in the person of a single individual, especially when it comes to the issue of Israel's national security, Iraq and Iran. However, there is one man who has so dominated these issues for over the past decade that it is impossible to speak of these issues without referring to his name over and over again -- Amos Gilad.

When meeting Amos Gilad, it is at first hard to imagine such serious matters being rolled up into the personage of such a man. He is medium height, with a thinning shock of white hair, possessing a soft, pudgy frame, and pale skin reflective of a career indoors, rummaging through papers and sitting through briefings; one would be hard pressed equating the physical impression of the man with the near-mythological status he holds as one of Israel's premier spymasters. But when the man speaks, and in doing so exposes his intellect to his audience, the physical no longer matters as the sharp insights and analytical capacity of Amos Gilad becomes clear. Whether one agrees with his assessments or not, there is no escaping the fact that with his soft but firm voice and direct presentation, Amos Gilad projects confidence.

This confidence is born of an adult lifetime spent in the service of the Israel Defense Force, serving as an officer within the Aman, or Military Intelligence. Born in 1954 to a father who immigrated from Czechoslovakia to Israel in 1939, and a mother who was a survivor of the Holocaust, Amos Gilad had the history of the persecution and near-extermination of Europe's Jews seared into his being from youth. The legend of Amos Gilad tells of how he wrote a paper on Auschwitz which involved research so detailed that it enabled the young Amos to correct any errors in stories told by camp survivors. A serious student, he enlisted in the Officer's Candidate Academic Studies Program upon graduating from high school, allowing him to earn a Master's Degree in Political Science from the University of Haifa before going on active duty.

With his advanced degree and sharp intellect, Gilad was a natural for assignment to Military Intelligence. He entered military service in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and as such joined an intelligence branch stinging from the embarrassment of failed analysis, a process which has taken on the shameful title of "konseptsia," from the Hebrew word for conception, a derogatory reference to the pre-1973 assessment of the head of Israeli Military Intelligence at the time, Eli Za'ira, who "conceived" that Egypt would not launch an attack against Israel, ignoring a huge amount of intelligence the contrary. In the aftermath of Eli Za'ira's konseptsia, the Aman put in place analytical checks and balances throughout the military intelligence system in order to make sure that never again would Israel fall victim to assessments void of fact.

The rigorous training in the art of intelligence paid off. In 1978, as a junior officer, Amos Gilad made a name for himself when he accurately predicted a PLO terror attack along the Israeli seacoast. In 1982, by now a major, he became embroiled in Israel's invasion of Lebanon. Assigned to the Aman's research branch, Gilad was very critical of Israel's close ties with the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militias. Major Gilad predicted that Israel's decision to allow the Phalangist militia into the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila would result in the massacre of the civilian population. On the night of September 16, 1982, Amos Gilad arrived at a forward command post near Beirut, and started immediately to send warnings of an impending slaughter back to his higher headquarters. His warnings were ignored, largely because analysts in the rear headquarters believed that Gilad was responding to a gut feeling, rather than hard fact?

The official investigation into the role of the Israel Defense Force (IDF) in Sabra and Shatila revealed that Major Gilad was acting on far more than gut feeling; he had overheard conversations between Israeli officers that indicated that a massacre was underway. The horrible events at Sabra and Shatila left a mark on Amos Gilad, making him not only more cognizant of the soundness of his analytical thinking, but the absolute requirement to press this analysis home in the face of doubters or bureaucratic inaction. Gilad worked his way through various assignments within the Aman, until fate had him, by this time a Colonel, serving as the head of the Iraq desk on the eve of the escalation of tensions with Iraq over its nuclear program, Saddam's subsequent threat to "burn half of Israel" with a chemical weapon, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, and the American build-up in Saudi Arabia in response. As the head of the Iraq desk, Amos Gilad monitored Iraqi military developments continuously, and would brief his findings to the Director of Military Intelligence, and more often than not, to the Defense Minister and Prime Minister.

At the time of Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, the United States, through the Department of Defense, maintained an intelligence sharing program with the IDF, which operated under the code name Ice Castle. While the history of modern U.S.-Israeli intelligence sharing programs have as their genesis the tumultuous period surrounding the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the specifics of the Ice Castle program were tied to the crisis of Spring 1990, when Israeli intelligence detected a resurgence of activity within Iraq related to nuclear matters, prompting Israeli politicians to publicly speculate about a repeat of the 1982 attack by Israel on the Osirak nuclear reactor outside of Baghdad, an action that many today believe retarded Saddam Hussein's nuclear ambitions by over a decade.

Iraq, for its part, put Israel on notice that any such attack by Israel would result in an Iraqi counterattack, including the use of chemical weapons that would, according to Saddam Hussein, "burn half of Israel." The Ice Castle program revolved around Israel's concerns relating to Iraqi capabilities to launch such an attack, and U.S. intelligence data, specifically satellite photographs of western Iraq, was provided to Israel (via Israeli liaison officers dispatched to Washington, D.C.) to help detect any suspicious Iraqi activity in the deserts of western Iraq. Of specific concern for the Israelis were Iraqi SCUD missiles, armed with chemical warheads, which when operating from locations in western Iraq would be able to range all of Israel. In the period of heightened tensions between Israel and Iraq that followed into the summer of 1990, the Ice Castle cooperation detected a surge of ballistic missile related activity in western Iraq on the part of the Iraqi military, including the establishment of numerous fixed-arm missile launchers oriented toward Israel, and the survey of missile launch sites for Iraq's mobile SCUD launchers.

Theory quickly became reality when, following Iraq's August 1990 invasion of Kuwait, the Iraqi military deployed nearly a dozen chemical warhead-tipped SCUD missiles to the deserts of western Iraq. Even as U.S. forces surged into the Middle East in the months following the Iraqi invasion, Israel pushed the United States for more information on the Iraqi missile threat. However, the U.S. planning priority had shifted away from dealing with an Israeli-centric issue revolving around missile threats in western Iraq, to a larger matter of assembling a large, multi-national coalition comprising many key Arab allies, which would not only defend the eastern oil fields of Saudi Arabia from the threat of expanded Iraqi incursions, but also launch a counterattack designed to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation. Israel's concerns were no longer America's concerns, so much so that Ice Castle imagery was diverted to U.S. military planners (myself included), while Israeli liaison officers sat empty handed in Pentagon briefing rooms.

Israeli military and political leaders grew increasingly irritated by the lack of U.S. sensitivity regarding what they viewed as a serious threat to Israeli security. Many in Israel talked of an Israeli preemptive strike on Iraq, but were pressured by the United States to stand down so as to do nothing that could be detrimental to the Arab-heavy coalition being assembled in Saudi Arabia to confront Iraq. On January 13, 1991, a U.S. delegation led by Assistant Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger went so far as to guarantee that after the second day of military action against Iraq, no Iraqi missiles would ever impact on Israeli soil.

This lack of American attention took on considerable political consequence when, in January 1991, Iraq fired SCUD missiles from western Iraq into Israeli cities following the initiation of military action on the part of a U.S.-led coalition designed to liberate Kuwait. In the early morning hours of January 17, the Israeli seaport of Haifa was struck, in rapid succession, by three Iraqi SCUD missiles. Two missiles impacted in the sea off the city proper, exploding on contact with the water. The third missile struck a shopping mall under construction, located near the checkpoint for the northern entrance to Haifa. Fortunately, the shopping mall was empty, most people had left their apartments for bomb shelters, and there were no casualties.

Shortly after the missile attack in Haifa, five more SCUD missiles struck Tel Aviv. The first missile exploded in the air over the suburb of Afeka, spreading debris over the trajectory flight path. The second missile struck a civilian factory structure in Azur, destroying that building. The third missile impacted in the Ezra quarter of Tel Aviv, completely destroying seventy-six housing apartments, and damaging nearly 1,000 more. It was this missile which caused most of the damage and all of the casualties in this first wave of missile attacks, wounding sixty-eight people, several seriously. Two more missiles fell over Tel Aviv that morning, one crashing into an orchard in Rishon Letzion, and the other exploding in the sky above Ganei Tikva.

But the damage had been done. For the first time in its post-1948 history, the heartland of Israel had been struck a heavy blow by the means of a deliberate attack by Arab military forces. Denied through American diplomacy the traditional Israeli defensive tactic of preemptive strike, and now facing the specter of dozens of wounded Israelis being rushed to hospitals amid the debris of their destroyed or damaged homes, all eyes in Israel turned to their military for swift and effective retribution.

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Scott Ritter served as chief U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until his resignation in 1998. He is the author of, most recently, Target Iran: The Truth About the White House's Plans for Regime Change (Nation Books, 2006) and Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of the Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the U.N. and Overthrow Saddam Hussein (Nation Books, 2005).

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Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 20, 2006 1:01 AM   
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The USA, Israel and all the other countries that are active in the Middle East need to stop spending so much money on war and death in the Middle East and direct their energies to making peace. The blind fixation on war and other violent activity is just plain stupid. If the Middle East is made peaceful then the rest of the world can be made peaceful and the Earth can be saved.

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Holding Our Collective Breath
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 20, 2006 1:22 AM   
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No doubt alot of us will be on pins and needles between now and the first of January. That Bush has ships near and moving towards Iran there can be no denying. If he's going to stupidly attack that country, he'll have to do it before the Democrats take control of Congress. The opposition party could hand the First Fool a major embarrassment by cutting off all funding for an incursion into Iran the moment they take power. This move, however, could be sabotaged be Joe Lieberman. There is alot of talk in Washington these days as to whether or not he becomes a Republican. Keep your eyes on him. He's liable to do anything.

Not that Lieberman jumping ship would mean anyhting in the long run. An invasion of Iran would be the craziest move this disguting administration could make at the moment. When faced with the choice of fighting a third war on top of the two we're in the process of losing, I'm sure that a solid majority of both bouses of Congress would see it for the blunder that it is. This is a no-brainer for even the right wing. Ivading Iran would be suicide.

Of this you can be sure: 2007 will be the most interesting of years. The Chinese have a blessing which is also a curse: May you live in interesting times. For those of us who are old enough to remember Watergate, we always thought that it would never get any weirder than that. Oh, boy! Order your popcorn while it's hot, folks! 2007 will make 1974 seem dull. Of this you may be absolutely sure: it's going to get very interesting next year.

Very interesting, indeed.

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» No need to invade Posted by: zipper696
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Mordechai Vannunu - man of peace; Amos Gilad - man of war.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 20, 2006 3:22 AM   
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Mordechai Vannunu is the Israeli nuclear scientist/technician who played a major role in exposing Israel's secret nuclear weapons program to the world. See his description of Dimona at Youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf39qkvwOhU. He was kidpnapped by Israeli agents (see How Vannunu was captured and made to serve 18 yrs).

There is blatant hypocrisy in secretly developing a massive nuclear weapons program while at the same time denouncing Iran for trying to do the same thing. To such 'patriots' as Gilad, Vannunu is a traitor who exposed state secrets. The rest of the world knows that for a state to secretly possess nuclear weapons is intolerable.

Meanwhile, Israeli mistreatment and murder of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank continues unchecked (Gaza: part gladiator's arena, part open prison); since 2005 over 7000 heavy artillery shells have been fired into Gaza. Israeli cluster bombs also blanketed south Lebanon in a deliberate strike against a civilian population. War crimes?

The main concern of Arab leaders appears to be maintaining their positions of power, and they like to distract their own populations from their domestic situation by pointing to Israel. Would they prefer to support broad based populist Palestinian movements, or radical suicide bombers? Do the Iranian clerics or the Saudi royals want their downtrodden populations to get any ideas? What if 500,000 Palestinian refugees peacefully marched into Israel? Soon you'd see replays in Tehran and Riyadh.

The 1917 British deal with Israel explains the initial role in the region - a colonial 'settler's outpost' in a resource-rich region of the world. This is the geopolitical aspect that the US corporate media won't discuss. Every single US foreign intervention since WWII has had an economic explanation, but saying "we're going to war to get rich!" is unacceptable to the American public, who instead get their Necessary Illusions of 'peace and democracy'.

The Holocaust has also become the public justification for many actions of Israel that really have far more to do with serving US and British interests in the oil-rich MidEast. Why have a secret nuclear weapons program? The Holocaust demands it! Why the need for a 'Jewish homeland'? The Holocaust demands it! It's the answer for everything, but as I was told when I was a small child, two wrongs don't make a right - something Israel has yet to learn.

Israel suffers the psychology of victimhood. Worse, it has made this into a self-perpetuating ideology, and continues to justify horrendous atrocities in the name of self-defense. Eventually there must be a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; if South Africa can reach such a resolution than it is certainly possible for Israel.

The only hope for the Middle East is a diplomatic solution. Iran won't give up a nuclear energy program, and no matter what they say in public, they must want a nuclear weapon in order to prevent invasion by the USA. It also seems ridiculous to worry about "the Islamic bomb" when Pakistan already has many nuclear weapons.

One last point is that Judaism is a global religion. To say that all Jews and Christians and Muslims have some special historical and spiritual relationship with Jerusalem is true. To say that there are 'religious states' is something else again. Israeli's leaders would have you believe that being Jewish and supporting Israeli policies are one and the same, but that's not true, any more than being a Muslim means supporting Saudi Arabia's policies since that's where Mecca is.

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Stephen
Posted by: Stephen888oz on Nov 20, 2006 3:54 AM   
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Until Israel leaves all the occupied territories, it is a legitimate target of attacks by Palestinians and their allies. The Palestinians are only trying to reclaim their land and freedom. If Israel claims the right to pre-emptive strikes, so do all its neighbors. The USA has supplied arms, money, and diplomatic supports to Israel in its occupation of Palestinian land and therefore should not be surprised to find itself the target of attacks.

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» Well thought out Stephen Posted by: ReallyBearish
Hypocrisy is not irony.
Posted by: stevelaudig on Nov 20, 2006 4:23 AM   
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It is written: "The irony of Israel, a nation born of the Holocaust and alone among Middle Eastern nations in possessing the holocaust-generating power of nuclear weapons, condemning Iran for its rhetoric while itself espousing the demise of the Iranian government" this is hypocrisy, not irony.

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» RE: Hypocrisy is not irony. Posted by: Scientz
It's far beyond time to get at least ONE thing straight
Posted by: xbj on Nov 20, 2006 5:10 AM   
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The State of Iran doesn't REALLY want the 51st State of the USA, Israel, and all its people dead; it just wants it (and them) relocated to where it (and they) really belonged in the first place, the US (where all the bright and lucky Jewish folks went, anyway).

Kind of like EXACTLY how the American people of (pick any American state) feel about Aztlan, the new Latin American culture they find themselves living in. IF the government was all Latin, and rolling over their grandmothers with bulldozers and shooting young blond boys in the streets when they threw rocks at La Policia.

Rhetoric is rhetoric, and reality is reality; if Israel was located throughout the US where it belonged in the first place if not for rabid American anti-semitism, there would be and would have been no Mideast conflict for the last 50 years, period. And no upcoming nuclear WWIII, which WILL involve China and Russia and all they've got against the US, over protecting Iran and their source of oil, the lifeblood of their economies and future.

And propoganda like "They want us all dead" and "if we don't fight them there, we'll fight them here" is targeted at and spouted by braindead morons. "They've" never been able to do shit here. 9-11 was our own government and military in cahoots, and anyone that can't see that by now is an imbecile. Do a search on "Echelon" and become enlightened on how nothing happens on American soil without government approval, sanction, and/or complicity.
Since 1995.

There's one law in nature; leave me alone and I'll leave you alone, for I won't even know you're there.

It's time the US started LEAVING OTHER PEOPLE THE EF ALONE. And protecting "HERE" so "they" can't COME here.

Which would solve Israel AND Aztlan. FOREVER.

But no, that's much too simplistic. And would require rounding up and hanging all the corporate war profiteers that start these phony wars in the first place, FIRST.

Luckily, the military which has been decimated, has been looking for the rope for awhile now...

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Democracy would solve problem of Israel
Posted by: Julian on Nov 20, 2006 5:34 AM   
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Israel claims it is a democracy but it is not. Only 2 1/2 million of Israel's 6 1/2 million population were born there. The other four million are there under the openly racist "Law of Return" through which Israel scours the world for Jews silly enough to settle there and disqualifies the other 99.75% of the world’s people as not racially fit. Meanwhile four million Palestinian exiles are forcibly prevented from returning to their homeland. Democracy would mean those people would be voting, and the foreigners would not. The state of Israel exists within Palestine because it receives life support from the USA and Europe on the false pretext that it is a democracy, but it could not survive democracy. It is convenient for the West’s rulers to maintain Israel as a cat’s paw in an oil-rich region, but oil won’t last for ever and therefore neither will Israel. There is reason for great concern about what will follow – democracy if there is an effort in the West to promote it before too late, otherwise a very nasty theocracy like Saudi Arabia or Iran.

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Holocaust does not justify mass detention of another Nation-Palestine.
Posted by: edith on Nov 20, 2006 5:50 AM   
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1. the president of Iran is a cruel idiot. he mocks the holocaust knowing it drives most Jews nuts, and even hurts the survivors and relatives of survivors. Zionist misdeeds don't justify pretending to believe that the Holocaust didn't exist. If the Germans did anything well in WWII. it was to keep meticulous records of every detail of death and concentration camps.

2, The Israelis are like the Iranians and Hizbollah they are all great Holocaust "users". By comparing any unfrirendly act as the equivalent of the Holocaust, the Israelis for 60 years have tried to hitch a free ride on the world's sympathy vessel. Largely, Israel has succeeded.

World peace thus is subject to Zionist manipulation. The Iranians are devout Muslims and do not agree with the concept of a Jewish state. They are entitled to their opinion, as Zionist who believe that "Jews" are a nationality with a 'homeland" in Palestine are entitled to an opinion. where I get off the zionist boat is when my tax dollars and the safety of me and my neighbors are taken hostage to zionist strategies to dominate the Middle East instead of trying to become a Middle Eastern nation with a large, if not majority Arab population.

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» Excellent Observation! Posted by: Douglas
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Iran does not want the destruction of Israel
Posted by: pingoo on Nov 20, 2006 6:00 AM   
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The comment Ahmadinejad made about the distruction of Israel was mis-interpreted and used against him and the nation of Iran to gain credibility for a possible military strike. What Ahmadinejad was really talking about was the destruction of Zionism, which is a threat to Iran as well as other Middle Eastern countries. If you watch the clip of the speach you will notice many banners in the room indicating that it was a conference about Zionism and not about the existance of Israel, wqo entirely different subjects.

This is another example of the US trying to drum up fear of a non existing threat.

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You All live in the Ozone Layer
Posted by: gellero on Nov 20, 2006 6:04 AM   
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Let's see now ....the PRESIDENT of IRAN states in no uncertain terms that the "Zionist entity" (aka Israel) must be wiped off the map. The IRANIAN GOVERNMENT send THOUSANDS of missilles to a non-government army (aka Hizballah) on Israel's northern border. The IRANIAN GOVERNMENT sends hugh caches of arms via Egypt to HAMAS in Gaza, which Israel had handed back to the Palestians. These religious fanatics think that death is somehow glorious and suicide bombing of innocents is just OK, an easy way to get to some virgins in 'paradise'. And these guys want NUCLEAR WEAPONS.??? Sorry, but that's like giving a paranoid schizophrenic a .45 for 'protection'.

And Mr. Ritter thinks the Israeli's are paranoid merely because of the WW 2 extermination camps??

Perhaps you should go to www.debka.com to see what's going on.

I like the post above that calls them 'Bush's Ships' in the Gulf.....listen genius.....those are OUR ships and the guys and girls on board risk their LIVES so you can sit at your computer and don't have to worry about a suicide bomber in the supermarket.

Don't delude yourselves. The foreign policy of the Democratic congress will be no different than it is now.

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» Macaca: the new goy. Posted by: edith
The FACTS on Vanunu and Israel's HYPOCRICY
Posted by: wawa on Nov 20, 2006 6:30 AM   
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I met Vanunu for the first time June 2005.
I returned from my 4th visit with him 11/14/06.

V spent 18 yrs. in jail for telling the world the truth that Israel had gone nuclear.

He was released April 21, 2004 but denied the FREEDOM to leave Israel and he is denied FREEDOM of SPEECH.

V is currently on trial for speaking to media in 2004-and they have been missing in action during this historic case.

But WAWA has been doing the job.

My March 2006 video interview with V will be shown 11/23/06 at the House of Commons in London.

YOU can see it FREE on WAWA:
www.wearewideawake.org

On 11/24/06 V will learn if the restrictions against him continue or if the Jewish state will finally do Micah 6:8:
Be JUST, MERCIFUL and humble.

YOU can learn more truth:
September 7, 2006
Lennon, Vanunu and "Give Me Some Truth"
http://www.opednews.com/author/author1112.html


October 27, 2006
Democracy in Name Only
http://www.opednews.com/author/author1112.html

MUCH more on WAWA:
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eileen fleming, author, activist, agitator of church, state and the limp MSM.

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Irony
Posted by: paschn on Nov 20, 2006 6:59 AM   
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Ironic,...the U.S. sheeple not only allow a minute country like Israel to control our "leaders"....kill our troops,...imprison practically world wide for simply THINKING the "facts" around the holocaust are not accurate.....but they will gladly lay down their money,sons,daughters to protect a terrorist nation who was complicit in framing and murdering the founder of their faith.

A nation of sheep, led by a cartel of whores, controlled by big business. Welcome,...to the REAL Evil Empire.

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Apologist for Israel
Posted by: laoma on Nov 20, 2006 7:03 AM   
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Sounds like Ritter is an apologist for another theocratic state in the Middle East. The Holocaust is simply a horrific, yet convenient historic series of events to bolster Zionist political philosophy. Christian anti-Jewish sentiments thoughout Europe and the US are the forces which planted and allowed Zionists to establish a political religious identity. What is happening today is simply the unintended, but nevertheless dreadful consequences of those historical actions. History is the result of previous actions and the lack of true democracy anywhere effected the displacement of one religious group into the midst of another. Neither groupencultured nor wanting 'democracy' except for its own 'people'. Sounds familiar, right? South Africa, US, apartheid-states everywhere.

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Part 1, November 17, 2006 http://www.opednews.com
Posted by: wawa on Nov 20, 2006 7:04 AM   
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I Predict: 110th Congress Can DO SOMETHING

by eileen fleming


During World War II the Nazis cold bloodedly murdered six million innocent Jews. Afterwards, the UN, the USA, and the European states decided to create a Jewish state in Palestine.

In 1947, with the termination of the British Mandate and rising violence and terrorism between Jews and Palestinians, the UN called for a Jewish-Arab partition of Palestine. Neither side liked the deal, but the secular Zionists jumped at the chance while the Palestinians and Arabs opposed it, citing the injustice of demanding Palestinians pay for Hitler's atrocities.

Israel proclaimed it's independence in May 1948 by affirming:

"One the day of the termination of the British mandate and on the strength of the United Nations General Assembly declare The State of Israel will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel: it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion it will guarantee freedom of religion [and] conscience and will be faithful to the Charter of the United Nations."

Britain withdrew from the land and war erupted. The well equipped Israeli forces created a triumph for the Jews and birthed the ongoing disaster for Palestinians and the world. Over 750,000 Palestinians became refugees and the roots of 21st century terrorism were birthed.

The Holy Land is one piece of property that two peoples who have been victimized, terrorized and oppressed are fighting over and neither side will ever give up.

There can be no remedy, no winning any war on terrorism without going to the root: the history and suffering of both people must be addressed and only with an honest third party seeking justice will there ever be security and peace in the world.

World leaders have failed at the task of securing security and peace in the Holy Land and Israelis and Palestinians distrust the other. But, repeated polls in Israel and Palestine prove the people are way ahead of their leaders. Majorities on both sides want a negotiated peace and a viable two state solution which would require a great compromise.

The bad news is that many Israelis and Palestinians lack HOPE that peace is possible. Peace requires justice and that demands dialogue not unilateral action. Peace and Justice require open hearts to feel the pain of the other and see all peoples as equals, as sisters and brothers.

It is because of my Christian faith that I have HOPE that all things are possible and on November 18, 2006, I will be speaking in Washington DC to a small group of committed progressive young Christians and agitators about my first book, KEEP HOPE ALIVE, the Christian Exodus in the Holy Land and Mordechai Vanunu's Freedom of Speech trial in the democracy of Israel.

"Never doubt that a few, thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."- Margaret Mead

Everything is connected and the law of karma is what ever we send out will return to us. USA and Israel are best friends, and the rise of fundamentalism in all faiths, the increasing anti-Semitism and fear of Islam throughout the world are WAKE UP calls for those of good will to break their silence and DO SOMETHING.

Six decades ago six million innocent Jews were cold bloodedly murdered because good people did nothing. What will it take to WAKE UP good people to DO SOMETHING now about the innocents caught in the crossfire of violence in the land we claim is Holy?

What will it take for USA leadership to WAKE UP and be an honest broker for justice and peace; to support Israel's dream of security and Palestinian's hope for justice?

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So what, Israel is a renegade neo-coloniast state that should not exist
Posted by: ScottGregory on Nov 20, 2006 7:04 AM   
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The Unites States must break its ties with Israel, and stop all military and non-,military aid to that nation. Israel must be forced to accommodate the Arab and Palestinian peoples that it displaced with vicious terrorist wars in the 1920's thru 1970's. Germany is the nation that should be paying for and accommodating the relocation of any European Jews who do not wish to live in the legitimate Arab nation of Palestine. As an American citizen, I resent my tax dollars going to defend a Jewish theocratic and increasingly terrorist state in the Middle East the presence of which is the major cause of our difficulties with access to Middle East oil. Israel needs to pay for itself and U.S. Jewish "private" contributions to Israel should be stopped as violations of the U.S. Neutrality Act. My sympathies are with Iran. Why should it face continual threats from a nuclear Israel and United States, without nuclear weapons of its own. Yes, there should be general disarmament in the region, but Israel's nukes must go first.

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» Then DO SOMETHING Scott Posted by: wawa
Part 2
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"We have it in our power to begin the world again" [Tom Paine] and with a newly elected Congress America's dream and commitment to justice, human rights and freedom is within our grasp, if we the people rise up and demand they do the right thing.

"The greatest menace to freedom is an inert people."-Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis

The "fierce urgency of now" [Rev. MLK, Jr] should compel we the people of the United States to rise up and demand the 110th Congress hold President Bush to the promise he made in his Second Inaugural Address:

"In the long run, there is no justice without FREEDOM. There can be no human rights without LIBERTY. All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know the United States will not ignore your oppression or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for liberty, we stand with you."

The "war on terror" must be fought at the root and all roads lead to Jerusalem.


"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."-Tom Paine

Common sense understands democracy cannot be achieved through the barrel of a gun. Justice and equal human rights for all people is the only way to security and peace. May we all do something and demand the 110th Congress and this Administration to uphold the promise of President Bush's Second Inaugural Address.

Now is the time to bring into reality Tom Paine's vision of what America was originally based upon.

"You must give birth to your images: They are the future waiting to be born."-Rilke

Only in solidarity do we have it in our power to begin the world again.

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A Pox on Both Houses
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 20, 2006 7:14 AM   
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One Simple Fact:
If the US were energy independent, all of this would be little more than a curious sideshow between people more dedicated to their position than reason or peace.

The Plain Truth:
Yes, the Holocaust happened and it was an awful thing. It was not the only genocide that has ever occurred and the Jewish people and the state of Israel have no divine right to act like it was. The evil visited on Jewish people in Europe in no way legitimizes their racist evils against the Palestinian people.

One Ugly Fact:
Zionism is racist at it's core and in it's modern context is also theocratic. One can be anti-Zionist and not be anti-semitic, despite what the Pro-Israel lobby pimps in all forms of US media. What Israel has done/is doing within it's borders and in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank is wrong by any standard.

An Ugly Truth:
The Palestinian people have a very legitimate set of grievances against the racism and theocracy of Israel & Israelis. Every time Israel grinds their face harder, they are making the problem worse and diminish the chances for Middle East peace.. Every time we give cover to this kind of racist & theocratic nonsense we plant the seeds for future terrorism, discord and pain.

A Modest Proposal:
Tell Israel flat-out to end the racist policies that have defined the modern Israeli state from inception or we cut you loose. Plain & simple. We can afford you no more. No more aid, no more weapons, no more trade.

When you allow dispossessed Palestinians the right to return as full citizens, file and press their claims over property in court, withdraw the theocratic laws and rules that define your state, pay reparations to Lebanon and the Palestinian people, and disavow any right to unilateral intrusion in the affairs of any other state- we will begin to normalize relations. Israel is a state based upon nationalism, racism, and increasingly- theocracy. Supporting such an entity is against American values and interests.

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» RE: More Ugly TRUTH Posted by: wawa
Americans troops are dying for Israeli. The US is a bought nation.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Nov 20, 2006 7:29 AM   
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Bush stated publicly that the US war in Iraq was to protect Israel and oil. The oil Was owned, and belongs to the Iraqi people. The oil could have been negotiated by the Iraqis and the oil companies. That leaves Israel. Those "Yellow" people have known that US policy is controlled by Israel. Everyone sees it except the American people. Actions in the UN practically prove it.

American troops are not dying for American freedom. They are not heros. Our troops are sent to die for Israel and Zionism.

Right now, in America, Semite Jewish Orthodox Rabbis protest Zionists and Israel, just as Christians and Jews did in the 1920s and 30s. The Jewish faith was highjacked by Ashkenazi and Khazar reform "Jews". The World Zionist Council brought out Hebrew which had not been spoken for over a millennium, and brought in a militant form of racist, genocidal Judaism that has worked with the same Modus Operandi since the beginnings of Zionist terrorist operation. Kill the goyim and put an Arab or Muslim face on it.

The west is owned "almost literally" by Zionists. They should never be confused with Jews. Zionists will kill any group that gets in their way to control the power, wealth and expansion of land that they want including their own. They brought hundreds of thousands of Zionists to Palestine directly against British demands in the 1930s.

They celebrate the slaughter of innocent people by groups such as the Irgun gang, the most ruthless of all terrorist groups beyond any other religious or political fanatic group which has provided the majority of their leadership to this day. Celebration of the Bombing of the King David Hotel, the slaughter Palestinians in the first war in Palestine. They don't care about the Levon affair, USS Liberty, the death Rachel Corrie and several bombings and assassinations carried out.

Anyone can say what they want about any group except Zionists. Then it is a hate crime regardless of intelligent discourse or debate. So much for the first amendment. The US has destroyed it's own Constitution and Bill of Rights on behalf of the Zionist controlled media and our nation's representatives. NO ONE in Congress, Senate, the Administration or the Supreme Court even dares say one word against AIPAC, JINSA, Israel. No one even wins a seat or the Presidency without allegiance to Israel. The government even gives away a total of $6 Billion to Israel each year regardless of how they use the weapons or money. Our leaders were proud of the slaughter and punishment of Lebanon by a vote of 410-8 in the congress and 100-0 in the Senate. American representatives, intelligence and the DoD don't care about the Palestinians.

It is no wonder we are now the most distrusted and hated nation on earth. The US is now considered twice the threat to peace than Iran, the next closest "competitor" (Angus-Reid study 11/2006). China and Israel are tied for third.

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» Khazar canard Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Khazar canard Posted by: cold2touch
» RE: Khazar canard Posted by: rwa
» Murdoch Posted by: justaguy
» Neither is true Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Neither is true Posted by: jreinhart1
» Wow, you are just a bigot Posted by: brunowe
» About that mitochondrial gene: Posted by: jreinhart1
» Settle, settle Posted by: HeroesAll
» "Probably" is a fair point Posted by: brunowe
typo
Posted by: just john on Nov 20, 2006 7:37 AM   
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I suspect the title of the book contains "Target Iran," not "Taget Iran." (Unless it's from "We're a'goin ta get Iran" ...)

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» "Probably"is NOT a fair point Posted by: werewolf
Both are wrong and fanatical regimes
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Nov 20, 2006 7:42 AM   
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Isreal is not the only crazy state involved in this potential conflagration. The leaders of Iran are not blameless. Ahmadinejad with his crazy version of Islam awaiting, and calling for, the 12th Iman (who has been hiding in a well for over a thousand years reading people's prayers when they through him letter down the well) to rise up on his flaming horse and bring justice to the infidels of the world. And his newest 'cleric' leader Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi, whose certifiable. From a crazyness perspective Iran is probably more nuts (flying horse, kids living in wells for a thousand years waiting to rain fire onto the infidels, kill all jews and christians, etc.) Israel is nuts also but let's not gloss over the schizos in charge of Iran.

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Jim Lobe:
Posted by: rwa on Nov 20, 2006 8:26 AM   
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PNAC was founded in 1997 with the issuance of its “Statement of Principles,” which pledged “to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.” Among PNAC's 25 charter signatories were eight people who would become senior members of the future administration of President George W. Bush, seven of whom—Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, Khalilzad, Peter Rodman, and Elliott Abrams—would play key roles in fulfilling PNAC's agenda five years later. Most of the others—notably Christian Right leader Gary Bauer; former Education Secretary William Bennett; DPB member Eliot Cohen; and Center for Security Policy President Frank Gaffney (as well as Kristol and Kagan)—would work closely with these administration insiders in making the public case for aggressive action, first against the PLO and Iraq's Saddam Hussein, and then against Syria and Iran.

“A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” Around the same time that Kristol and Kagan were developing their ideas and creating an institutional umbrella (PNAC) a task force of pro-Likud neoconservatives led by Perle at AEI and organized by the Israel-based Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies was working on a strategy to liberate Israel from the Oslo peace process and the “land-for-peace” formula that had been U.S. policy since the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. Drafted by David Wurmser with the support of a coterie of neoconservative consultants, including Perle protégé (and later undersecretary of defense for policy) Douglas Feith, the “Clean Break” paper focused primarily on persuading incoming Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to “destabilize and roll back” the Ba'ath government in Syria as the key to transforming the regional balance of power. That goal would be more easily achieved, the paper emphasized, if Saddam was replaced by a pro-Western government: “Removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq is an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right.” Wurmser, who under Bush has held key posts in the Pentagon, State Department, and since late 2003 has served as one of Cheney's main Middle East advisers, later developed this theme at length in subsequent publications.

PNAC effectively incorporated the “Clean Break” group's Mideast regional strategy into its early public statements. In 1998, PNAC fired off two open letters regarding Iraq: one to President Bill Clinton in January, and several months later, another to the Republican leadership of Congress. The missives argued that the containment strategy against Iraq was neither effective nor sustainable. “The only way to protect the United States and its allies from the threat of weapons of mass destruction is to put in place policies that would lead to the removal of Saddam and his regime from power,” argued the second letter. Among the signatories to these letters were Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rodman, Abrams, Khalilzad, Bennett, Perle, Bolton, Woolsey, and a pair of realist-oriented foreign policy elites, Richard Armitage and Robert Zoellick. The two open letters on Iraq became part of an intense neoconservative-led lobbying effort for change there—both Perle and Wolfowitz played major roles in this endeavor—which resulted in congressional passage later that year of the Iraq Liberation Act, making “regime change” in Iraq official U.S. policy.

While their numbers in the senior ranks at the Pentagon have been reduced, neoconservatives have retained an active presence there. In a particularly ominous turn of events earlier this year, the Defense Department established an “Iranian Directorate,” an office staffed and overseen by the same individuals that ran the Office of Special Plans (OSP), which “cherry-picked” and “stove-piped” raw and questionable intelligence about Saddam's supposed ties to al-Qaida and WMD programs.

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GET REAL ABOUT ISRAEL
Posted by: greenpagan on Nov 20, 2006 8:33 AM   
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Let the leadership of Israel deny the overthrow of the Iranian Democracy & the installation of the Shah (whose father was allied with Nazi Germany) --by the Anglo-American petro-imperialist interests--who brutalized the population & ruled by fear through his dreaded secret police the SAVAK (trained btw by Stormin‘ Norman Schwarzkopf‘s father) ; & constantly talk about wiping the Islamic Republic of Iran off the face of the planet & see what happens?

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ISRAEL
Posted by: fifthworld on Nov 20, 2006 12:45 PM   
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Because there had to be an official State for the CHOSEN VICTIMS.

-Anti-Zionist Jew

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» RE: ISRAEL Posted by: cold2touch
» RE: ISRAEL Posted by: albrechtkrausse
No to IsUreali whining
Posted by: Edward Abboud on Nov 20, 2006 12:52 PM   
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Ritter is ridiculous to insinuate that everyone must realize IsUreal's mass psyche problem and react sympathetically.

I am not interested in UsUreal's mass emotional disturbances. It justifies nothing. It doesn't justify the invasions and destruction of Lebanon, or of Iraq, or of Iran.

IsUreal's emotional claptrap has to get demoted as the rationale of an 'alternative' newsletter like AlterNet.

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Since they are so concerned about Iran...
Posted by: keefus55 on Nov 20, 2006 1:46 PM   
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...perhaps the Government of Israel should now allow UN Weapons Inspectors to also search for evidence of nuclear weapons on its OWN soil.

As Shakespeare once wrote, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

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Real Jews Don't Support Israel
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Nov 20, 2006 1:51 PM   
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because the secular state of Israel was created by man (secret agreements by the UK mainly) and Isreal will not be created until the messiah comes. The fake state of Isreal is not according to scripture. In fact many Jews were against the creation of this false state and a good number still protest it (especially amongst the true orthodox jews.) The media, though, rarely ever covers their protests, letters, etc. And also will not point out how the roots of zionism and founders of the fake state of isreal did terrorism against the British to gain their secular state.

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» BINGO Posted by: fifthworld
Thank You Holocaust: Palestinians Eat Dirt, Israeli's live like Kings
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 20, 2006 2:53 PM   
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Well, during Pol Pot, 2 million died and during Stalin over 20 million. But, no, we are told the PIVOTAL and SEMINAL event in ALL WORLD HISTORY is the Holocaust! Tell that to the millions who starved or were killed during Mao's cultural revolution. But, no Zionism must claim a monopoly on suffering and atrocity. But, let us forget the past for a minute, and look at what now is the real and current atrocity? Millions of Palestinians sit in cramped territories lacking even basic services while a few Israeli's live in spacious homes and shop in air conditioned malls. And, nobody, except a few posters here on alternet and a few others, even seems to care. A Palestinian throws a rock or two at a tank coming in out of frustration and next Israeli US made F-15's and/or/or both US made M-1 tanks are blowing up his house and killing his family. But, no we are suppose to understand this response is in the Israeli psyche from the Holocaust. But, ironically, 90% of the Holocaust survivors in Israel are dead now anyway and it apparently is just their children, children's children, or whacky Zionism adherents who cling to the holocaust as though it was their own personal experience, and it wasn't. Meanwhile, Palestinian children die and nobody seems to care.

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» Lebanese oil spill Posted by: mountainsrock
what it means to be Jewish
Posted by: Gregor on Nov 20, 2006 3:41 PM   
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All my friends who are Jewish have a culture. Just as strong as the Muslim culture. That culture is bound up like the Native Americans in how they perceive their own lives tied to the land that is mentioned in their religion. It is considered Holy Land. It is to be revered, loved and nurtured as Holy Land. Of course they are bound up to it. Anyone who has not had their entire culture tied up with one thing certainly cannot understand the deep, longing, abiding love for the Land of Israel.

And the Jews and the Arabs have been enemies since the Jews left Egypt. It goes way way way back. To say it is ridiculous....Well, everything humans do is ridiculous. Why beat children? That is ridiculous. So where in the human experience do you start fixing things? You don't. Answers are not simple. We just have to try and evolve.

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» RE: what it means to be Jewish Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: The Jews Were Never In Egypt!!! Posted by: Conservasaurus
Suicide bombers
Posted by: dkm on Nov 20, 2006 5:59 PM   
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The Israelis keep talking about how awful the suicide bombers are and how insecure they make people feel. But they neglect to mention that suicide bombers are a relatively recent phenomenon that appeared late in the last intifada as a response to the vicious destruction that the IDF was doing to civilians and their property in Gaza and the West Bank. It was the only response the Palestinians could make. They also seem to forget that for every Israeli killed by a suicide bomber, the Israelis have killed over three civilian Palestinians.

It seems that in order to feel secure, the Israelis needed to learn a different lesson from the Holocaust than the one they learned. From personal experience they learned how to subjugate and oppress minorities within their ranks. What the personal experience should have taught is NOT to subjugate and oppress minorities in their ranks.

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» RE: Suicide bombers Posted by: tashi
What It Means To Be Jewish
Posted by: dkm on Nov 20, 2006 7:34 PM   
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Hillel, one of the great Jewish theologians of the first century BCE, told the man: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and study it."

Now someone tell me with a straight face that the Zionists are believing, practicing Jews. Notice I did not say "Israelis" because there are many Jewish Israelis working to alleviate the oppression of the Palestinians.

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» RE: What It Means To Be Jewish Posted by: Defender of Gentiles
The Basic Problem
Posted by: Panskeptic on Nov 20, 2006 7:35 PM   
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The basic problem that inflames Arab rage is not the absence of a Palestinian state. It is the presence of a Jewish one.
Ever since Mohammed massacred the Jews of Medina, killing all 800 males in a day and selling the women and children into slavery, Arabs have thought it their right to kill Jews whenever they felt like it. When Jews decline to be massacred, Arabs whine about Israeli aggression.
Re Iran: if there is any lesson to be learned from the history of the last 75 years, it is that Jews can't afford to wait for permission from Christians to defend themselves. To save Jewish lives, Jews must make their own decisions.
If Iran declares the intention to wipe Israel from the map, then develops the means to do so, Israel must do what it has to do. The UN will never approve, the Europeans will be irritated, Jew-haters around the world will say "I told you so," but it is nobody else's right to substitute their will for that of the people targeted for death.

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» RE: The Basic Problem Posted by: FastEddy
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» RE: The Basic Problem Posted by: HeroesAll
» YES Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: The Basic Problem Posted by: mdruss42
Richardini
Posted by: richardini on Nov 21, 2006 3:46 AM   
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All this talk about who suffered most gets us nowhere. The American and South American Indians lost more than the Jews in the Holocaust. And the blacks through slavery. However, I do not believe that either of these groups, out of sheer hatred or desire for vengeance would want to endanger the entire world.
I, for one, am sick of our defending Israel to the detriment of Palestine. We have set the Jews up as the chosen people by the American Government and they are truly chosen by us and could bring about the final conflagration. Talk about weapons of mass destruction. The have them all. We were buddy buddy with Iraq and Iran at one time, selling arms to both of them. We would sell our mothers down the drain if there was a financial profit in it. Gen. Barry McCaffey on Hard Ball yesterday said the unthinkable..that we went into Iraq because of oil. I am surprised not to see comments in the media today about that remark.

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this kind of debate strengthens the Right
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 21, 2006 10:11 AM   
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Back in the 1930s and 1940s it looked like the Republican right was headed for the scrap heap of history. They were wrong on economics with their classical fantasy non-interventionist ideas that did nothing but allow periodic financial upheavals and economic concentration in the hands of a few robber barrons.

But the left had their own virus that allowed the Republicans to finally return to power. That virus was their cozy relationship with 30s style Communists and a sympathy for the Soviet Union. Never mind Truman's cold war crudentials, or the Dem's own housecleaning at the beginning of the cold war. It was that relationship back in the 30s that came back to bite them. In the late 30s Stalin and the Soviets may have seemed like they were on another planet far from the USA. Just a few years later they suddenly got a lot closer.

The public quickly forgot the isolationism and private sympathies that the right had for the Nazis. Had it not been for Stalin, the McCarthy witch hunt may have been for corporate helpers of the 3rd Reich.

Now we have something similar. The Islamic nations of the Middle East are trapped intellectually and politically in the Middle Ages. They are a clear enemy of the West and western liberal philosophies. If the world's oil had been concentrated somewhere else, these folks would be off the radar unworthy of any consideration, legitimate or not.

The Progressives here are backing these Islamics and their hatred of the West. The real reason to get rid of Israel is that they represent the West, that the country shows them up for their outdated ideas. It has little to do with Palestinians, who they have barely helped in the past, except to stir up hatred. (Note that Israel produces more PhDs in science than all of modern Islam.) The problem is that this is more than rhetoric. No matter how good Israel may be militarily, the tiny spot on the map could be quickly overrun by a even partially competent army. the result will be rape, murder, looting and distruction. (Just like any army from the Middle Ages would do.)

Then, for the next 30 years anyway, the right will continually wipe the nose of the left in this piece of stupidity of backing Islam against the West. Political correctness is the trojan horse that undermines the left.

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» Typical raghead logic Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Oh please, get a brain!!! Posted by: ReallyBearish
» That's the best you can do? Posted by: ReallyBearish
» Again, Douglas, get a brain Posted by: ReallyBearish
Shame on Alternet for promoting Glenn Beck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Nov 21, 2006 10:21 AM   
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Anybody find it rather odd that Alternet is advertising for Mr. Rightwinger punk Glenn Beck (excuse me while I puke)?!? The advertisement is above to the left. At first I saw the title “Exposed. The Extremist Agenda” with a picture of mr. right-wing idiot and I thought it was an advertisement for some program showing what a homophobic idiot with an agenda he is. Well, it ends up it is an advertisement for my favorite person’s special on CNN News about what airs in the middle east against the U.S.
No doubt the underlying purpose of his special program will be to fuel more fear of, and anger at, middle easterners, with the goal of justifying further war and turmoil, in other words, the promotion of the agenda of the republican party; hey, isn’t that what Glenn boy is all about?!?
Glenn-boy is so right wing, one would not even know if the program is true or fabricated to further his agenda. So why the hell is Alternet taking his money?!?
Shame on Alternet for advertising for this moron!

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» Beck should never be on CNN Posted by: ng1944
» Beck should never be on CNN Posted by: ng1944
Defender of Gentiles
Posted by: Defender of Gentiles on Nov 23, 2006 9:08 AM   
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The problem is always the Judaics.
Since the Europeans are the ones who feel guilty about the death of Judaics why do they not give those Khazars a homeland in Europe? Why not England, since according to Alfred Lilianthal, in The Zionist Connection, they, the English, were the ones who stole the land and and gave it to the Zionist Judaic Khazars? The Palestinians are the rightful citizens of that land.

The Judaics are trying to take over the world and they have the White Man as their 'nigger' to do the dirty work. One day the Judaics will turn their underlying hatred for the White European into action and then the end will come. I am looking forward to the time when the White European 'Nigger' of the Judaics wake up.

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» RE: Defender of Gentiles Posted by: Australia
More Breaking NEWS from Jerusalem
Posted by: wawa on Nov 25, 2006 8:17 AM   
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November 25, 2006

This Morning's News from Jerusalem
by Eileen Fleming

On 11/23/06, this reporter broke the news about Mordechai Vanunu's impending arrest.

This morning Vanunu wrote from Jerusalem...

STORY can be READ:
http://www.opednews.com/author/author1112.html

HIT "DIARIES"

CLICK TO:

Saturday, November 25, 2006
This Morning's News from Jerusalem

Thursday, November 23, 2006
BREAKING NEWS: Jerusalem and London

LEARN what USA Media will not report: especially regarding the MICROSOFT connection!

Public service from WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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???
Posted by: christoph on Nov 25, 2006 3:40 PM   
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"The legend of Amos Gilad tells of how he wrote a paper on Auschwitz which involved research so detailed that it enabled the young Amos to correct any errors in stories told by camp survivors."

HUH....am I reading Ritters comments correctly.??

"Correct any ERRORS in stories". So Gilad is part of the soviet style propaganda department.

Mr Ritter has admitted that , while a weapons inspector, he relied heavily on Israeli intel re WMD in Iraq.Its also evident that the current Iraq war was instigated heavily by Israel.

Let them do a pre-emptive strike. Problem is as usual it will be American lives that wil be lost, but just maybe Israel will be attacked properly and for once feel the terror that it inflicts on others for a change.

The US did not have any "sensitivity" for Israel during the first gulf war??....please give me a break.

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» RE:"Holocaust" Posted by: gal
Scott Ritter is correct
Posted by: Reader11722 on Nov 25, 2006 9:54 PM   
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Mr. Ritter hit the nail on the head. It's all about Iran. Iraq is a bloody diversion. As the army attacks Iraq, the US gov't erodes rights at home by suspending habeas corpus, stealing private lands, banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, America Deceived (book), rigging elections, conducting warrantless wiretaps and starting 2 illegal wars based on lies. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier) and the US will invade Iran (on behalf of Israel).

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» RE: Scott Ritter is correct Posted by: symcokid
90% of Jews voted Republican in these elections
Posted by: ng1944 on Nov 26, 2006 12:43 PM   
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Though, some of them life long democrats,
were scared by Zionists to vote republican in these elections

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