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Death by Taser: The Killer Alternative to Guns

By Silja J.A. Talvi, In These Times. Posted November 18, 2006.


Long touted as a safer alternative to handguns for law enforcement, tasers are potentially deadly weapons that have a growing history of abuse by police and security guards.

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Editor's note: This article is especially relevant given the recent unwarranted and brutal taser attack on a UCLA student. The video to the right is the taped recording of the attack this week.

Taser International Inc. maintains that its stun-guns are "changing the world and saving lives everyday." There is no question that they changed Jack Wilson's life. On Aug. 4, in Lafayette, Colo., policemen on a stakeout approached Jack's son Ryan as he entered a field of a dozen young marijuana plants. When Ryan took off running, officer John Harris pursued the 22-year-old for a half-mile and then shot him once with an X-26 Taser. Ryan fell to the ground and began to convulse. The officer attempted cardiopulmonary resuscitation, but Ryan died.

According to his family and friends, Ryan was in very good physical shape. The county coroner found no evidence of alcohol or drugs in his system and ruled that Ryan's death could be attributed to the Taser shock, physical exertion from the chase and the fact that one of his heart arteries was unusually small.

In October, an internal investigation cleared Officer Harris of any wrongdoing and concluded that he had used appropriate force.

Wilson says that while his son had had brushes with the law as a juvenile and struggled financially, he was a gentle and sensitive young man who always looked out for his disabled younger brother's welfare, and was trying to better his job prospects by becoming a plumber's apprentice.

"Ryan was not a defiant kid," says his father. "I don't understand why the cop would chase him for a half-mile, and then 'Tase' him while he had an elevated heart rate. If [the officer] hadn't done that, we know that he would still be alive today."

Ryan is one of nearly 200 people who have died in the last five years after being shot by a Taser stun gun. In June, the U.S. Department of Justice announced that it would review these deaths.

Over the same period, Taser has developed a near-monopoly in the market for non-lethal weaponry. Increasingly, law enforcement officials use such weapons to subdue society's most vulnerable members: prisoners, drug addicts and the mentally ill, along with "passive resisters," like the protesters demonstrating against Florida Governor Jeb Bush's attendance of a Rick Santorum fundraiser in Pittsburgh on Oct. 9.

Taser has built this monopoly through influence peddling, savvy public relations and by hiring former law enforcement and military officers -- including one-time Homeland Security chief hopeful, Bernard Kerik. And now that questions are being raised about the safety of Taser weaponry, the company is fighting back with legal and marketing campaigns.

Birth of a Taser

In 1974, a NASA scientist named Jack Cover invented the first stun gun, which he named the TASER, or "Thomas A. Swift Electric Rifle," after Tom Swift, a fictional young inventor who was the hero of a series of early 20th century adventure novels. Because it relied on gunpowder, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms classified Tasers as registered firearms.

That changed in the early '90s. According to Taser's corporate creation story, co-founder Rick Smith became interested in the device after friends of his "were brutally murdered by an angry motorist." Smith contacted Cover in the hopes of bringing the Taser as a self-defense weapon to a larger market. In 1993, with money from Smith's brother Tom, they created Air Taser Inc., which would later become Taser International Inc. When Tasers were re-engineered to work with a nitrogen propellant rather than gunpowder, the weapon was no longer categorized as a firearm. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department adopted the guns, but they were not widely embraced by other departments.

Taser's fortunes improved in 1998, after the company embarked on a new development program, named "Project Stealth." The goal was to streamline stun gun design and deliver enough voltage to stop "extremely combative, violent individuals," especially those who couldn't be controlled by non-lethal chemicals like mace.

Out of Project Stealth, the Advanced Taser was born. When the weapon premiered in 2000 -- a model eventually redesigned as the M-26 -- the company brought on a cadre of active and retired military and law enforcement personnel to vouch for the weapon's efficacy. The new spokespersons ranged from Arizona SWAT members to a former Chief Instructor of hand-to-hand combat for the U.S. Marine Corps.

Taser began to showcase the Advanced Taser at technology-related conventions throughout North America and Europe, billing it as a non-lethal weapon that could take down even the toughest adversary. Soon to be among those "dangerous" opponents were the protesters assembling in Philadelphia for the 2000 Republican National Convention.


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Silja J.A. Talvi is a senior editor at In These Times. Her work appears in the anthology, "Prison Nation" (Routledge, 2003).

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Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 18, 2006 12:59 AM   
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The top officers of Taser International should be indicted and prosecuted for false advertising and for mass murder.

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Right on
Posted by: famouspipeliner on Nov 18, 2006 1:24 AM   
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A timely article.

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Ban these things....
Posted by: decembrist on Nov 18, 2006 1:30 AM   
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Police have begun to rely on these weapons as if they're a a substitute to actual communication. Obviously, with so many deaths, tasers are no substitute for talking to a SUSPECT, someone who has not actually been convicted of any crime.

Stop the use of tasers. They should be illegal. Either that or every police officer who wields one should be tasered 3 times (rapidly) in a row, every single year. If tasers are non-lethal, than that should be okay. Maybe it'll curb their use.

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» RE: Ban these things.... Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: Ban these things.... Posted by: TWilliams
cops and toys
Posted by: Finnbar on Nov 18, 2006 3:19 AM   
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I don't know which is worse.
Cops with tazers, or these puke security guards.
www.wintersteel.com/RobertDuncanOFinioan.html

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RE: the video....
Posted by: waves999 on Nov 18, 2006 3:42 AM   
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God! I feel so terribly sorry for you dumb-ass Americans as you allow your Constitution to go down the drain! How can you allow this shit to go on... and on... and on?!! I was absolutely shocked and outraged by this overt act of totally unnecessary violence in the video toward this kid by your ever increasingly militarized police force. I am still shaking with rage! You all should have attacked those cops and beat the living shit out of them!! And then stuck their fucking Taser up their asses and pulled the trigger!! Fuck ‘em!! Good-bye democracy, civility and free speech -- hello fascism!!!!! I will never EVER visit your police state again. Being an outspoken progressive I’m just too afraid to. It is all about FEAR isn’t it?

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» RE: the video... illegal? Posted by: nicoKno2
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Tasers coming out too fast-Fear of HIV
Posted by: owlbear1 on Nov 18, 2006 4:45 AM   
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Cops see the taser as a means to subdue somebody from 5 feet away. No biting, no spitting, no puke, no urine, no sharing of bodily fluids at all. Plus mace stinks and is bitch to wash out.

ot-
One word you can use to help determine what kind of cop you are dealing with is, "Why?" That word has a fascinating effect on the overgrown 10 year olds playing at cops and robbers.

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200 died by taser, but 90,000 died from lack of universal healthcare. fakeLeft/Alternet don't care
Posted by: not_the_preferred_nomenclature on Nov 18, 2006 4:46 AM   
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The article claims that 200 people have died from tasering in the last 5 years. Well. whoop de doo! 18000 Americans die every year from lack of universal healthcare. That makes 90,000 murdered for obscene healthcare profits in the last 5 years. But has Alternet or any other fakeleft website or media ever run a headlne about these deaths? Oh no! The Fakeleft is funded by nonprofits that were set up by plutocrats and corporations and funded by the upper class. You think that fakeLeft outfits like Alternet are going to report on the ongoing healthcare slaughter? No way! That would be like the fakeLeft biting the overclass hand that feeds them!

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» The Fakesane Posted by: LMNOP
No winners
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Nov 18, 2006 6:17 AM   
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a cop can't win. They are banned from using 'choke holds' thanks to the media and some unfortunate events. They, obviously, can't shoot people. So they accept this companies' marketing and get a Taser to try to be more humane. Well, I guess, some people die (most of whom it appears had some heart defect, drug intoxication, over-weight conditions, or had exerted themselves more than usual.) Yes, that sucks but I guess its better than the chances from a .38.

A cop can't win. Here is Texas a cop is being sued because he DIDN'T shoot a suspect during a 'standoff' who ended up killing his mother. But, of course, if he would've shot the poor disturbed guy the mother/family would probably sue.

I'm thinking the main problem with any of these weapons (hand-to-hand, gun, taser, nightstick) is training. You'll notice a large number of these incidents are from pseudo-cops (security guards, campus police, etc.) These people are often people who wanted to be regular police but had something wrong with them and couldn't hack it (mental, physical). Often they have a 'chip on their shoulder' and also don't get enough training as regular police or troopers. Also there has been a 'militarisation' of the police which has been paid for by the Federal gov't grants and training. So there has become even more of an 'us' vs 'them' mentality thought to police.

However, there also is a culture that treats police as totally evil-->not without some justification but the time/place to fight the 'police state' is not during a traffic stop, a DUI, whilst drunk/drugged in public, during a party, etc.

Most of these 'incident's could've been avoided if the suspect didn't cause more trouble for himself: Don't run, don't cuss, look them in the eye, don't make sudden moves. If you have a problem with the stop or the arrest call your lawyer. Don't argue your rights at the scene other than in very calming and rational matter. Don't spout off on a rant. Don't spout off on non-germane topics. Don't try to 'get the crowd' behind you. If you don't like the militarised police state protest that with voting, letter writing, spreading the word, but don't try to take it out on the individual cop (especially when you're drunk or committing some crime.)

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357 magnums are much better
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Nov 18, 2006 6:46 AM   
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Is there nothing that you limp wristed lefties won't whine and complain about? More people die from falling in bathtubs than are killed by tasers. Personally I prefer the more lethal methods of dealing with miscreants and liberals. A 357 magnum with hollow points or better yet.....the TALON for ending the miserable lives of the whine and cheese crowd. If I were to acquire a taser I'd buy the version that shoots 100,000 volts into these perps and other America haters. Maybe one that connects to house current with 20-30 amps. SWEET!

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» RE: 357 magnums are much better Posted by: dikaiosyne
The Brownshirts of Law Enforcement
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 18, 2006 7:13 AM   
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I'm really tired of the GI Joe wannabes of local law enforcement. They all want to dress like something out of Soldier of Fortune, except with a pot belly from heavy doughnut abuse and extended arse-sitting in patrol cars.

The TASER is just the latest toy in their abuse arsenal.

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» RE: The Brownshirts of Law Enforcement Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: The Brownshirts of Law Enforcement Posted by: Conservasaurus
The less likely it will be lethal, the more likely it will be used.
Posted by: WhatNow? on Nov 18, 2006 8:55 AM   
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I was watching NBC's To Catch a Predator. The perp was fleeing with his back to the cops. They yelled a few times to stop but he didn't. He quickly realized he wasn't getting away so he did stop. He raised his hands over his head and turned around. Then 5-10 seconds later another pig ran up and tazed him good even though he was standing still with his hands raised as high as possible. If I were the pigs superior I would want him fired. It was unnecessary and made them all look bad. I would guess the pig was a sadistic scumbag that wanted to do a little punishing himself or perhaps he just had real slow reflexes and should have been checked for drug or alcohol use. Whatever it was it made me sick there was no justification for it than the cop wanted to be judge, jury, and electrocutioner.

Tasers ought to be severely limited and only given to the most professional police that can be trusted not to use them unless absolutely necessary. I can only imagine how many might get them that will use them to satisfy their sadistic pleasures.

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The Terror Conspiracy
Posted by: waves999 on Nov 18, 2006 9:34 AM   
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Yes... my post was a little vulgar... but that Taser video upset me so much, you can’t imagine. I still cannot conceive of these puny campus cops (losers who couldn’t get into a real city police force if they tried!) doing that to a kid who was “passively resisting” like Mahatma Gandhi did... like Martin Luther King did. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR COUNTRY??!! To learn the TRUTH I invite you to read the latest book, The Terror Conspiracy, by my favourite and bravest investigative reporter Jim Marrs. It’s the best I’ve read to date and answers a lot of questions about what is wrong with your country. It’s those damned Illuminati again....

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no excuse
Posted by: Gregor on Nov 18, 2006 9:44 AM   
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Cops feel they are on the "front lines" of an increasingly violent society. They are not taught to discriminate when they need to use compassion and concern and communication, or aggression. Something that is obvious to the average citizen in a lucid moment, is not something they see in the heat of the chase. However, if they really want to stop citizens deaths, they should have a Peace Officer along with them who can make the lucid, analytical judgements on people who do have mental illinesses or "gee, just how bad IS this situation, do I need to use extreme force?" However, if they get paid by the Police Department, they will be corrupted, because apparently when you wave money at people they have no resistence to being "paid off" and then the corruption spirals. So, again we are back to the "sheeples" the people who cannot resist or lift a finger to save themselves. All the anger in society is directed at gaining more money and more toys et. al. Why our anger is directed at actually obtaining a spine? Economic reasons. Every young person I know is a debt slave and CAN'T organize. You take time off of work to stand in a Peace march? Put my life on the line for PEACE? What? NO! Go unarmed against a bunch of NAZI's? The problem with our aggressive society is it will bury us. We cannot find nurturing people anymore. There is a shortage of nurses, CNA's, pre-school caregivers, etc. Why? There is not enough money in the business to survive. And who the heck wants to CARE. Too emotionally damaging, eh? We can care, but heck, not long term. We want to sprint through life, not have a marathon in caring. So, unless we change our focus in society, to think Rich is UNcool, and extravagance is DISGUSTING, we will never have change.

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» RE: no excuse Posted by: YogiBear
terror, post traumatic stress
Posted by: caru on Nov 18, 2006 12:15 PM   
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yes we need universal health care now ... health care that includes healing the whole person ... i cried when i saw the video. i imagine it can happen to any of us. if one suffers from pts then one is more likely to act erratically when approaached by a big scary person with a weapon of torture. yes you may prefer a 357 to shoot liberals ... that makes me cry too ... people you dont even know, you are willing to shoot. can we stop practicing power over and start practicing healing from abuse and the need to abuse.

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Houston....Another Violent Police Action....
Posted by: picket on Nov 18, 2006 2:13 PM   
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AlterNet just posted this story...44 janitors arrested and held on $888,888 cash bond. The police chose to use horses which resulted in injuries including an 83 year old female janitor from NY. "The horses came all of a sudden they started jumping on top of me....I was terrified...I never thought the police would........."
Peaceful protests...freedom of speech.....watching is a real exercise in ANGER Management.
http://www.houstonjanitors.org/

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Police Attitudes
Posted by: dkm on Nov 18, 2006 5:50 PM   
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Several posters on this message board see nothing wrong with killing someone for no good reason. Most of the examples cited in the article were of people who were no danger to anyone, not even themselves, such as the kid who was running away, the couple examples who were walking around naked, etc. How can you justify killing them?

The way to justify murder is to be a psychopath, and just as the priesthood attracts people with sexual dysfunctions, so law enforcement attracts people with psychopathic predilections. There is a reason that spousal and child abuse are at high levels among policemen and it is not that the jobs are so stressful. The cops who indulge in this type of behavior are in law enforcement because law enforcement is a legal way to indulge their need to hurt other people. How can you possibly justify four or five cops beating up an unarmed woman? How can you possibly justify a bunch of cops spraying pepper spray in the eyes of people who were already in handcuffs? Only by realizing that these cops are vicious people who would be in jail if they weren't wearing badges.

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» RE: Police Attitudes Posted by: Zarquan
» RE: Police Attitudes Posted by: TWilliams
» RE: Police Attitudes Posted by: Mycos
Fighting Crime Doesn't Pay
Posted by: TWilliams on Nov 18, 2006 9:19 PM   
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We should just give police rubber sticks and let the bad guys run free.

With all of the crime in this country it shocks me that people are so quick to condemn law enforcement and support methods that let criminals run free. In any given society people are going to get hurt and killed when encountering law enforcement but overall the situations where this happens are slim. Not to forget that these are CRIMINALS the police are dealing with.

Next time someone breaks into your house try to stop the robber with a baseball bat when he has a gun and see how far you get.

It is obvious the majority of the people who post here have never lived in a high crime area or have never been a victim of violent crime. They will never learn.

Hopefully the USA will ban guns like they have in Australia and in South Africa. The crime rates down there have sky rocketed. Furthermore, noting is going to stop gang members and criminals from smuggling weapons in from Mexico - and heaven forbid protecting the border - that is racist.

The more we restrict law enforcement and innocent, law abiding Americans from defending themselves the more crime and violence we will see.

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» Annie! Grab your Gun Posted by: Mycos
Keep your guns!
Posted by: waves999 on Nov 19, 2006 4:08 AM   
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At the rate your Fascist authorities are building detention camps in your country right now - a fact - it looks like all Alternet contributors eventually will be locked up under your draconian PATRIOT Act! Anyone who disagrees with, or peacefully protests the Powers That Be - the Illuminati - will be “detained.” This already has happened to thousands of peaceful protesters at the Republican Convention in New York two years ago. With virtually no MSM coverage! Right now every comment we make here... plus every phone call, fax and email we send (particularly from progressives like me outside your country) are monitored and red-flagged by the two, huge, highly illegal, all-encompassing, super-snooper supercomputers Echelon and Talon. Wake up Amerika, it is happening to you right now and has been for many, many years. And if you think things are going to change under the Dems, think again, they are just Repugs-light. BTW keep your guns folks (maybe buy yourself a Taser), you’re gonna need ‘em soon - big time - to protect yourselves against your own Gu’ment!

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» RE: Keep your guns! Posted by: stressederic
» RE: Keep your guns! Posted by: YogiBear
Silence...
Posted by: picket on Nov 19, 2006 5:30 AM   
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Some young men just can't make enough money to pay fines that an unjust society places on them for non-violent offences. If you watch the TV Show COPS, you will see young men or women with warrants out on them. Parking tickets for the underclass results in suspension of license which leads to loss of job which leads to probation violation which leads back to JAIL which leads to bail which leads to HELL. There are hundreds of good paying jobs at $5.50 an hour so what is the problem? Well what if the probation officer says be in at 10.00PM and jobs for underclass go to 11.00pm??? OK so now the child support for the baby [which many will say should never been born] IS DUE. Another warrant, another court order. For millions this is a hopeless society.
When prison business was privatized it became big business. Probation violation is big business it keeps a continuous flow of warm young bodies. OK not to worry when you pay the price for your non-violent crime there will be a good job waiting for you. We are a rich society and we CARE!
Meanwhile, back at the farm, instead of investigating the rape case COPS are staked out watching 12 small MJ plants.

It is true they are coming for some of us for speaking out.

"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men" Abraham Lincoln

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Puh-lease
Posted by: Boomerang on Nov 19, 2006 10:04 AM   
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Tasers have never been a "non-lethal weapon." There is no such thing as a "non-lethal weapon," that's an oxymoron. Any time there is force applied in an altercation there is the implication that someone could die in an unfortunate accident. A taser could potentially give someone with a previously unknown condition a heart attack, just like tossing someone to the pavement could potentially crack their skull and give them a brain hemorrhage. Less-lethal weapons are called this because they are generally less than lethal when used to subdue someone, but there's no guarantee for every situation. They give cops alternatives to having to resort to physical violence (beating, takedowns) or even worse, their firearms (something no cop ever relishes).

I've known many police officers in my life, and they all love the addition of less-lethal weapons to their arsenals, whether they are tasers or bean-bag shotguns. In a situation with an unruly suspect, the more options the officer has, the better. Start taking away those options, and suddenly the only ones left are the ones we're most familiar with: beating, shooting, and rough treatment. We charge officers with maintaining the law and order of our communities, and I think we should give them a little leeway in doing a job that absolutely has to be done. Constantly vilifying and hamstringing police efforts doesn't help anyone. Taker tasers away from cops? Okay, but don't be surprised when police suddenly begin to revert back to just shooting people.

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» RE: Puh-lease Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Puh-lease Posted by: Boomerang
It's too late already....
Posted by: waves999 on Nov 19, 2006 12:13 PM   
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It seems that it is always the underclass that receives the brunt of Police violence, whether by Taser or bust asses or gun shots... blacks, traffic offenders and drug addicts mostly. Your numskulled War on Drugs seems to be a War on Blacks. And drug addicts should be put into forced treatment not prison - they have a disease. Your police are out of control, in fact your whole so-called Justice System is in deep trouble! Look at your Supreme Court nowadays. All designed by the Illuminati to induce FEAR into your population. So that the Powers That Be can do anything they damn well please, just like they are doing right now. Witness the increasing militarization of your police forces. SWAT teams were originally developed to interdict in serious life threatening criminal situations - not to bust drug dealers. And now your military will be involved in peace keeping at home. And don’t forget the detention camps I mentioned already. Wake up Amerika! Or say good-bye to freedom - and hello to fascism. Unfortunately, I think it is too late already.... Nuff said.

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Subordinated Youth
Posted by: ssmit355 on Nov 19, 2006 1:02 PM   
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Remember if you can or understand if you didn't know: America's education system primarily involves teaching young people to follow rules. Designing Education, produced by the Education Department in the early part of the 1900's, redefined "education" after the Prussian concept of "a means to achieve important economic and social goals of a national character" (read Everything You Know Is Wrong). So, accordingly, the kids standing and watching are doing just what the education system designed them to do.

Damn. I have great hope in the spirit of folks; I own great hope that we'll rise up and reclaim reality from the National-Association-Of-Psychologists-Against-America (not a real organization). These Corporate Fascists like the Carnegies designed the system to create pawns for their amusement and profit. So now people fight G.W.'s war. One that I know fell easy victim to the racist attitudes developed by the military; the attitude makes it easier for her to fix helicopter engines and keep our war machines alive.

But my job works the other end of the system. Because many folks are hopelessly entrenched in debt, tv, driving around, and working, working, working, that they see no light. I give light. I teach people to Act, Act, Act. None of those people in the video are my students, but damn do they need a teacher. You probably can't find them at Universities anymore. Even bums are better role models than most cowering University Professors (are you reading this?). Many homeless folks own deep philosophies of freedom; they live their words. A great amount of them are not hopelessly lost in drugs, and thus they are better professor than papered professors. (Sorry, Prof. you're a product (with a UPC Code) of the Education System too.)

I teach people Combat Tai Chi and imbed philosophies of action in the practice. Help me. There's not enough. Let's relax (to reduce fear reactivity), then, when necessary, kick some ass. But we cannot believe that the ass we'll kick is some bum or thug in an alley nor a terrorist on a plane; the real asses are the lawmakers, judges, lawkeepers. Kick them if they taser you or your friend and let's talk about ways to survive the onslaught of Public-Official Violence.

It's illegal by some Case Laws, by the way, to promulgate doing violence to public officials. (How convenient.) So let's just live with learning to act violently when necessary. The irony is that if individual citizens can use physical means, en masse, when necessary (like the case in the video), then perhaps less violence will happen overall. The lack of action in the video only encourages the fear-filled lawkeepers to do more violence. Don't encourage them.

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Why white collar criminals like Ken Lay don't get the Taser treatment
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 19, 2006 6:05 PM   
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Crime in America is a funny thing - the 'legal standard' isn't what's ethically or morally responsible, it's "what you can get away with".

The Congress is robbing the American people with the full support of the Bush Administration (or is that vice versa?). We are relying on a handful of people to get subpoenas and hearings on the crimes - but when the criminals have the head of Justice and the FBI on their side, it's unlikely that any action will be taken.

What did Coppala's Godfather say? One lawyer with her briefcase can steal more in a day than a whole room full of men with guns?

Tasers should of course be banned - but then a certain politically connected company would lose its sole source of revenue - and then their only hope for financial survival would be to sell electric cattle-prods to third world torturers in places like Iraq, China, Burma, Uzbekistan, Israel, and so on.

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hRIOR
Posted by: hRIOR on Nov 19, 2006 6:37 PM   
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Earlier this year a scared, upset and confused "mentally ill" man, who was holding a TWO INCH knife was killed by a group of New Orleans police with about two dozen bullets or so. Pistols, TASERS, shotguns... who cares which? Is the training of police so pathetically inadequate that they don't feel capable, especially as a group, of disarming one person with a minimal weapon? This in a country that childishly sucks up movies with "heroes" singlehandedly taking on and defeating whole armies of badguys and girls, without getting a scratch.

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Stop2Think
Posted by: Stop2Think on Nov 20, 2006 7:31 AM   
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if all human are created equal...
why did the UCLA student feel he was above all other students in thinking he didnt have to show his ID?
Why should his arrogance be rewarded & defended by other students? Do the protesters think they are better than other people?
Maybe he (and others) should read the opening line
S2T

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choose higher mind over your reptile brain
Posted by: caru on Nov 20, 2006 8:22 AM   
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c'mon y'all --- why continue to choose violence over our lower reptile brain? why? to just continue practicing violence. hell yeah. kill kill kill. kill kill kill. i am so sorry i cannot relate to your righteous protection of any weapon.

the rest of us will move to our higher minds.



i live in the most peaceful place on earth. we create this peace every day. you cannot bring your weapons here, ever.

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location of higher mind
Posted by: caru on Nov 20, 2006 8:27 AM   
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no! the higher mind is not located in the anus, or the vagina or the penis. the higher mind is NOT LOCATED AT THE BASE OF THE BRAIN.

y o u c a n f i n d t h e h i g h e r m i n d i n y o u r f r o n t a l l o b e y o u r t h i r d e y e .

go there now!

and stop the lizard fool from running this planet.

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Progressive Police Officer
Posted by: tremphunter on Nov 20, 2006 11:42 AM   
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As a working police officer and a committed progressive I read this article and the associated comments with a great deal of concern. There is a basic misunderstanding of the role that the police play in our society. Police officers are called upon to make split second decisions involving the use of force all of the time. These decisions are guided by both federal and state statutes and department policy. Any time that force is used there is an inherent risk involved, even if it involves simply grasping someone to handcuff them.
Our department recently purchased tasers after two officers were seriously injured attempting to arrest a suspect who had beaten his girlfriend seriously enough to put her in the hospital. The taser is often a better alternative to the two other options at the same force level, the baton (or nightstsick) and pepper spray or mace. I have been hit by a baton accidentally in training, by pepper spray deliberately and tasered in training. Of the three I would prefer to be tasered, it was longest five seconds of my life, but there were no lasting effects. Pepper spray is really nasty and can often splash onto officers or innocent bystanders in close confines and batons can cause serious contusions or broken bones or kill someone.

The fact of the matter is that when a suspect chooses to resist an officer, there is a significant risk of injury to both the suspect and the officer. I want to go home from my shift to my family the same way I started it; alive and healthy.

The taser is an extraordinarily effective tool for law enforcement and I suspect that it has saved more lives and prevented more injury to suspects than it has harmed seriously. Has it been abused, I have no doubt it has, but that is due to poor training, policies or bad officers.

Again to reiterate, any use of force is inherently risky and people will be injured and possibly killed, but the taser often is the best option. As far as the young man who was tasered after fleeing the police, his other option would have been to not flee, and be placed under arrest. If he would have run over a cliff, would that have been the officer's fault as well?

PS I am in no way being compensated by Taser INTL, and like the vast majority of those who read alternet, have no use for those who abuse their position or authority from GW Bush to the patrol officer on his beat.

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The fact is....
Posted by: Mycos on Nov 20, 2006 10:11 PM   
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Shooting deaths of civilians by the police are not down, while taser deaths are -- of course --- on the rise. If they were meant to be an alternative, then shooting deaths would be down. Since they are not, this is statistical evidence that the police are simply using their regular weapons as they always have, simply adding the Taser to the arsenal. There is NO wiggle room out if that.

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OMFG - is this what our country has become?
Posted by: MonkeyBoy on Nov 21, 2006 2:20 PM   
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I am outraged that this type of brutality exists in our country. A jolt from a TASER incapacitates it's victim, yet this poor UCLA student was repeatedly tased for not standing up. How could he? It looks like the Law Enforcement community in the LA area has not learned a damn thing from the Rodney King incident years ago. Welcome to the Police State....

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When billy clubs were introduced,...
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Nov 23, 2006 6:14 AM   
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...I'm sure they were a safer alternative to guns, it didn't stop five cops beating a man into a coma. It's not the weapon, it's the guy behind it.

Still, an important point of this article is being missed. Yes, it's about the abuse of tasers, but it's also about the ignorance of the fact that tasers are a potentially lethal weapon. Ordinary cops and prison guards may be a little quick to use tasers, not necessarily through cruelty, but because they've been assured that they're safe.

The freak case cited of that young man, Ryan, is a good example; although it's possible it was a 'punishment' tasing, for making the cop chase him, it sounds like the officer involved thought he was using appropriate force against a seemingly fit and healthy young man who'd just run half-a-mile. In a case like that, though, it's entirely possible that a warning shot from a pistol might have stopped the boy in his tracks.

Question; do suspects who get tased get medical checks after they've been restrained?

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There's a medical reason why!
Posted by: jlohman on Nov 25, 2006 4:43 AM   
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The heartbeat can both be shocked back into normal rhythm, or purposely put into ventricular tachycardia by sending it a jolt of electricity at a specific moment in the heartbeat cycle. If the Tazer hits at that wrong precise moment, ventricular tachycardia will result and the patient will die.

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