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Election '06: Great Outcome, Flawed Votes

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted November 10, 2006.


It's a tricky issue to bring up the possibility of voter fraud in 2006 because most election protection activists are liberals who have waited six years for the Bush administration to be stopped.

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Don't confuse a good political outcome with a bad electoral process.

Election integrity activists face a quandary this week. After an Election Day where new voting machines failed from coast to coast, and GOP-favoring voter suppression tactics unfolded in state after state, this largely liberal-leaning community knows all too well that the machinery used to slam the breaks on the dreadful Bush administration is deeply flawed, that Tuesday night's vote counts shouldn't fully be trusted.

But will they say so? Will they stand with, gag, the apparently dethroned Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., and demand the electronic machines in 27 counties be impounded and examined for vote-count problems? That could reveal, once and for all, why new electronic machines need to be junked. Or will political victory throw a wet blanket on a fired-up election integrity movement?

Election integrity activists were true model citizens on Tuesday. As people turned out in droves to vote, activists helped citizens in state after state document failing voting systems. They noted voting system breakdowns that went beyond the nasty partisan mailings, robo-calls, registration challenges and other tactics that largely were GOP ploys to suppress Democratic turnout.

The 866-OUR-VOTE hotline, created by People for the American Way, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and others, logged thousands of complaints about misbehaving machines, in addition to poll worker confusion. Indeed, thanks to the spunk of videographers and YouTube, Americans could watch elected officials -- including members of Congress -- seeing their ballots rejected by optical scan voting machines.

Election integrity issues are no longer conspiracy theory. Too much of Middle America saw just how real voting problems have become. This raises a thorny question: How can new electronic voting systems, used by one-third of the electorate for the first time, fail so miserably during the voting phase of the day but be trusted during vote counting on election night, especially when there is no paper trail to audit results?

That question -- of which races are affected and which electronic tallies can be trusted -- is very hard to answer and won't be known for days, if at all. Unless candidates challenge results and demand machines be impounded and examined, the new electronic voting systems may be packed up until the next problem-plagued election. But even that happens -- and it shouldn't -- there was so much else that went wrong on Tuesday that must be addressed.

As coauthor of the recently released book "What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election" (The New Press), it was striking to see that much of what unfolded on Tuesday across the county had direct precedents in the election that gave George W. Bush a second term. The same voter suppression tactics and voting machine problems that occurred in Ohio in 2004 plagued state after state on Tuesday, despite efforts by the election protection movement to bring them to the nation's attention.

The story of Ohio in 2004 broke down into two main categories: massive voter suppression and widespread vote count problems, some of which we believe produced fraudulent results. As in 2004, the midterm elections experienced: voter purges (this time done with new electronic poll books), voter intimidation (this time letters threatening jail if voters showed the wrong I.D.), long lines causing people to leave and not vote (because machines didn't start up or were pulled from use, and/or delays due to voters not being on precinct lists), the high use of provisional ballots (which were not counted Tuesday and many of which will be disqualified for technicalities), vote hopping (where one candidate is picked but the machine records a vote for his/her opponent). All of these trends happened in multiple states, according to the 2006 election incident reports.

What voters experienced on Tuesday was not conspiracy theory. But the voter suppression and early signs of vote count problems aren't the full Election Day story. The rest of the story is the electronic vote count, which is still hidden and not verifiable. Voting integrity experts, such as Warren Stewart from VoteTrustUSA.org, said on Tuesday night that too many congressional results were simply not verifiable -- even if Democrats were reportedly winning.

This is not to say that Democrats didn't turn out in droves, didn't tell exit pollsters that a majority of Americans wanted Republicans removed from power, and didn't win big. But do we really know how votes were and weren't counted on Tuesday night? No. Can we say the systems that failed so miserably in the day performed flawlessly on Tuesday night? No. Is this a difficult question to ask because most election protection activists are liberals -- and have been waiting for six years for the Bush administration to be stopped? Yes.

But doesn't America deserve a voting system that can be trusted no matter who is in power?

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first job
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 10, 2006 2:42 AM   
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The first job of the new Congress should be to completely investigate all of the millions of errors that occured in election 2006, both human and machine, publicise every cause of every error and legislate an effective and accurate solution to every error so that in 2008 we can have a free and fair and accurate election. The shameful details of elections 00,02,04 and 06 must be laid bare and ended in 08 else the USA will remain merely a disasterous cancer on the body politic of the world.

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» RE: first job Posted by: spiritsha
» RE: just junk the machines Posted by: ScottP
» RE: just junk the machines Posted by: willymack
» RE: just junk the machines Posted by: ScottP
» RE: just junk the machines Posted by: rsaxto
» RE: first job Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: first job Posted by: rsaxto
Progressive election integrity activists are revealed to be partisan frauds
Posted by: ISlamIslam on Nov 10, 2006 3:48 AM   
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Progressive election integrity activists are revealed to be partisan phonies and frauds since their activitism stopped when their side won. Why is it a "thorny" issue to seek the truth of the outcome of an election and the will of the people, as we've been told ad nausem is the goal of these self-proclaimed integrity experts? "Let every vote count!" and "Count every vote!" have been their mantra, up until Tuesday.

This article and the absence of any progressive activists speaking out on documented voter fraud or voting irregularities are just more evidence of so-called progressives' inability to be objective and take a stand on right and wrong. They don't believe in playing by the rules...they just have a set of outcomes that they'll do anything to achieve. Don't expect conservatives to whine and complain about the integrity of Tuesday's outcome, because conservatives don't believe in whining (notice the absence of conservative election integrity activists complaining about voting irregularities in Tuesday's election that are noted by even this article's progressive author). Conservatives will instead analyze what went right, what went wrong, and figure out how to come back next time and win.

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» Reality Reversal Once Again Posted by: Earthie
» Hey fuzy -- Posted by: ISlamIslam
» RE: Hey fuzy -- Posted by: mejsmith
» RE: Hey fuzy -- Posted by: LMNOP
» Huh???? Posted by: CatDad
» Literate at all? Posted by: stormchilde1975
» Yes, I slam Islam Posted by: ISlamIslam
» What you are is a troll Posted by: LMNOP
» History Posted by: ISlamIslam
Do The Right Thing
Posted by: Earthie on Nov 10, 2006 4:06 AM   
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The writer seems to fear that Democrats somehow won BECAUSE of "voting irregularities" and might therfore face a reversal of all or part of their victory if investigations are undertaken. It's more likely that they won DESPITE the iregularities.

Fixing and somehow standardizing our national election process must remain a high priority. As with so many other issues, the Republicans have spent significant money for bad products and services. Building verifiable, electronic voting machines is a rather simple and inexpensive task, it's just that the Republicans preferred to buy garbage from cronies at exhorbitant prices under no bid or rigged bid contracts.

We need to make our needs clear, which are a paper trail and accurate reliable performance at the least. Contracts need to be open to competitive bids and we should buy enough machines for use wherever needed. The machines we just wasted all that money on should be recycled as video games or something. We should investigate the manufacturers, prosecute where appropriate and recover funds when possible.

Is that really that difficult to figure out? Of course not, you just make the right thing sound difficult when you prefer to do the wrong thing.

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Post Election Reality Check
Posted by: Chevaliere on Nov 10, 2006 4:25 AM   
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So you think "the system worked", democracy has won out, and that yesterday's election is the first step to straightening out the mess Bush and the Neocons have made on the planet?

Think again. It's not that "the system" didn't work; it worked very well, but you have again been duped.

Nothing has changed. In fact, many of you have been put back to sleep by the staged Democratic victory which was set up just for that purpose; to make you think you still live in a democracy. The fact is, the Zionist halter is as firmly strapped on the head of American State policy as it ever was, and the American voter needs to realize that it is immaterial which party prevails at elections.

Read and weep:
Post Election Reality Check

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anthny
Posted by: anthny on Nov 10, 2006 4:57 AM   
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I, being just a regular guy said that at one point we should hack the hackers. In the last two presidental elections there were many irregulairities to say the least. This time around the numbers were not in favor of a hack job. The populace went out in full force and voted, bottom line Rove could not get enough people from the Christian Right on board his sinking ship, and when I say full force I am not being truthful.
The Foley scandle rocked the boat and the book by a christian right hit man rocked and sank the boat completely.
The christian right realized they had been used and abused by Bush and his gang. This time out they the christians did not take the bait and Bush and his fake face were sunk. Did you ever see a lame duck walk, he just goes round and round in a circle, thus the term lame duck.
Luckly for the good guys we won a small but significant victory.
The Rove face failed Bush as he jokingly told Karl that he did not work hard enough this time and thats why we lost.
Mr. Bush says he will work with the demos, but knowing this regime they have a plan of attack that cannot be mentioned on live television. I think another black opts will do the trick and we americans will suffer another 9/11 type incident.
I HOPE I AM WRONG and just being perinoid

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» RE: anthny Posted by: livopete
» Irony Posted by: LMNOP
Election victory was actually bigger
Posted by: heid on Nov 10, 2006 5:06 AM   
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The great mass of election fraud was done by the right wing and supported and promoted by the Republican Party. That means the Democrats' victory should have shown as much larger. Taking just the information uncovered by Greg Palast, at least five percent of the Democrat's votes were stolen, even without taking the voting machines into account. If you move 5% of the votes from the Republican column to the Democrat column, that adds up to an additional 10% increase in the Democrat win. And that's only accounting for what happened before including electronic voting, which we know includes huge numbers of Democrat votes automatically switched to Republican and Democrat candidates names not even showing up.

The win for the Democrats would have been far greater if there had been no fraud.

Uncovering such fraud should be a major issue for the new congressional leaders. I fear, though, that it won't be. As this article indicates, it will likely be forgotten - until the next election debacle.

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According to Palast
Posted by: Rungle on Nov 10, 2006 5:59 AM   
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For the benefit of readers who are not yet on Greg Palast's mailing list (which you must, for your own good, join now!): despite the three-pronged attack of disappearing registration, ID rejection at the booth and ballot spoilage, the best the republicans can do is, as previously mentioned, about a 5% head-start. Significant, yes, but as the recent results show, not insurmountable. What is really needed is a co-ordinated campaign from the Dems: irregularities must be investigated; inquiries must be held to ask difficult questions of vote-machine manufacturers; the registration process must be put under the spotlight. Here's your chance. Never has the phrase "use it or lose it" meant so much.

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Santorum is right for once!
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Nov 10, 2006 6:00 AM   
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Santorum has a right to worry. If the machines can be hacked (and they can), they can as easily be hacked for Democrats as for Republicans. (Or for something none of us would recognize as Democratic or Republican - I've been saying this to my Republican friends for four years now.)

I suspect that with the exit polls being sequestered, no one knew where to set the dial. Sweet irony for those who argued so vehemently against the validity of exit polls.

Think about how hard it is to rig the machines for just enough votes to avoid a recount, but still avoid totally unbelievable results in the precincts you control. The exit polls would have provided the feedback required for those last minute "recalibrations".

I would rather lose a fair vote than win a rigged one. Now my Republican friends get a chance to think that one through.

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we got the majority, now let's use it: impeachforpeace.org
Posted by: grim ripper on Nov 10, 2006 6:25 AM   
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I can't believe I've been reading so much progressive media and come across this site --Impeachforpeace.org--only now.

Some have argued if we impeach Boosh we'll have President Cheney. But we already have President Cheney, don't we? Ventriloquist, right? Anyway, as this site argues, if the momentum for this thing gets going, proceedings against Bitch Cheney will be inevitable.

The site also argues that, although Pelosi has verbalised her disinterest in conducting impeachment proceedings, it was only to prevent future conflict of interest allegation when she decides to run herself. But who cares about her anyway! Let's impeach!

Impeachforpeace.org is a great site because it organizes for a precisely timed landslide of signed petitions onto the congress floor to manually initiate the proceeedings in a way our forefathers had envisioned. They've already got some 600,000 letters. Let's make it millions.

Putting aside, temporarily, HOW we got it---now that we GOT the congressional majority, people are awakening to glimmers of hope again and itching for something to do--here's a helluva good place to start

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The Loser Has to Clean Up
Posted by: Theodore on Nov 10, 2006 7:25 AM   
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It seems to me simple and reasonable that the declared losers are responsible for mounting any effort to challenge the results. That's how it was in 2000 and 2004, wasn't it? As long as the winners don't conceal any information from the public, how can this not be the right way to proceed?

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No Values, No Integrity
Posted by: theracerace on Nov 10, 2006 7:38 AM   
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This is why the Democrats have a public image problem. They have no values and no integrity.

How nice would it have been if Jim Webb had asked for a recount given the extremely slim margin (0.3%) in Virginia.

Dedication to democracy should be dedication to democracy regardless of who wins. Besides, if the Republicans don't let the Democrats win next time, the Democrats will by crying foul and nobody will believe them.

That's the Democrats - always thinking long term.

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» Sore Loser..... Posted by: CatDad
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» It would have been ironic Posted by: Jeanne
concerned citizen
Posted by: fuzypupy on Nov 10, 2006 8:49 AM   
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the answer to the last question is YESSSSSSSSSSS, no matter who has control of our govenment Americans must be sure every vote counts , and we must kill the electorial college, and make mandatory redistricting every 5 years by no partisan judges of the state. i dont know about you but i voted only for judges with other then dem or rep political affilations

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concerned citizen
Posted by: fuzypupy on Nov 10, 2006 8:55 AM   
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Don't expect conservatives to whine and complain about the integrity of Tuesday's outcome, because conservatives don't believe in whining ( WHAT IS THIS A JOKE????

I THINK THIS MUST BE A JOKE , they may not be complaining right now but that may be because they are polishing up a way to fix the machines for 2008.

come- on people be realistic can we trust anyone in power not to try to hang on to it for themselves .

we must fix this voting machine problem and make every vote count while we have people in congress and the senate that really will be shamed by the public if they don't.

the republicans while in control have shamelessly done exactly what they wanted for their corporate sponsers every bill written by lobbiests, without concern for what americans think , everyone on both sides must insist on verifiable , transparent elections, or we don't have freedom or democracy in this country

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» Indeed Posted by: theracerace
We have no way of knowing
Posted by: badkitty on Nov 10, 2006 8:56 AM   
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We have no way of knowing if the results on November 7 were correct. The next to the last paragraph says it all. I am happy the Democrats won, even though some of them are so close to the Republicans they really should change parties, but I have no faith that the results were accurate.

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Possible Solution
Posted by: xyz2002 on Nov 10, 2006 9:09 AM   
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To have the election results verifiable we could have such a system. The machine will give each voter a print-out of actual vote with the voting time, but the print-out has only an unique series number instead of voter's name and address. The machine should also print out a hard copy of the result linked to that number as the official record for recount. After the election, the result from each machine would be posted on internet/local paper with the series numbers and the vote by that number so everyone can double check if their vote is counted correctly. It would be much harder to hack such sytem in a large scale, although nothing is 100% foolproof.

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» RE: Possible Solution Posted by: joking7
Why Use Machines At All?
Posted by: elderwoman.org on Nov 10, 2006 9:26 AM   
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I am a British citizen and have voted in elections both in the UK and in Australia for almost fifty years. I have also worked as a volunteer 'scrutineer', watching the vote-counting process, along with a team of other, eagle-eyed people, one from each party at each table, making sure no mistakes were made.
The traditional system of paper ballots works. It has worked for a very long time. It has built-in safeguards against fraud. (What's more, scrutineers reporting back to their parties can give more accurate info than you get from exit polls because they have seen the actual ballot papers). Other countries are perfectly happy with a paper system. So please tell me: why do Americans seem to think they have to use 'voting machines'? The whole thing seems just plain daft, to me. Am I missing something here?

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» RE: Why Use Machines At All? Posted by: Theodore
» RE: Why Use Machines At All? Posted by: oregoncharles
» Because ... Posted by: Jeanne
concerned citizen
Posted by: fuzypupy on Nov 10, 2006 9:44 AM   
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yes you are missing something, its the republican party who claimed switching to electronic machine will protect the vote while making their freinds at these manufacture companies( dibold etc) rich by selling these faultly hackable machines to states they infact passed a law making it mandatory the states had to buy these machines, thus ensuring their victory. there are videos on youtube.com showing a computer programer testifing to a politican coming to him to make a program to hack the machines called flipping the votes , this happened many times in 2004 . bush did not win they went to key states holding the most electrorial votes and flipped the machines giving bush victory , this time activist groups had people at every polling place where a large problem could happen and even then before our recent election some states run by republicans passed laws making it illigal to have exit polls ..

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concerned citizen
Posted by: fuzypupy on Nov 10, 2006 9:52 AM   
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oh yeah i forgot about the judge who said it was legal for dibold to keep their voting software secret.. talk about activist , partisan judges ... there has never been a better example of the kettle calling the pot black as Republicans accusing Democrats of this or that, every dirty trick in their bag they have accused demcrats of using. every policy they passed every law does exactly the oposite of what they call it. hence the clear air act allows pollutiers to pollute freely, the no child left behind act leaves every child behind that can not proform to their tests, the help america vote act helps make it eaiser for the system to be hacked keeping americas votes from counting, or being counted.
and all the while some privite donor to their party gets rich, in the case of no child the bush family makes money, the prescription drug plan makes the Frist family money, this adminsitraion as well as the older bush and reagan administrains made it possible for Enron to get away with what they did. all the while they are allowing multible companies to take away part or all of retired persons pension and trying to privitize social security so the elderly wont even have that.. this has got to be the most immoral , corupt, greedy govenment in the world .

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Another job for Congress: gut and reform the "Help America Vote Act"
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 10, 2006 11:17 AM   
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The real name of that act should have been the "Help America Vote Republican Act".

Some key points:
1) Public elections should not ever be allowed to be contracted out to private companies, whether it's Sequoia Voting Systems, Diebold or whoever.

2) There can be no proprietary or secret information - it all must be publicly available, including software, electronic hardware, or mechanical devices.

3) Touch screen voting should be banned, period. The voter must make a physical mark on a paper ballot, whether by hand or assisted by a machine. That paper ballot then forms the basis of the electoral count.

4) Make Tuesday a National Voting Holiday, so that people don't have to juggle jobs and voting. We could even move some other holiday to keep things balanced - George Washington Day could be Voting Day.

5) Institute serious criminal consequences for tampering with elections. A good model would be the currency counterfeiting laws - no country likes having it's currency counterfeited, and no democratic country should tolerate election tampering either.

6) The question of optical scan machines vs. hand counting of paper ballots has been somewhat controversial. Modern technology easily allows such machines to make entire digital copies of paper ballots, and then the ballots can also be saved. What is needed is transparency, accountability, and oversight by independent auditors.

7) No election system should EVER be connected to the phone, broadband, or wireless networks, period. No such capability should be allowed. You need duplicate copies, secure couriers, etc. etc. For example, an optical scan machine should be able to burn two CD's with the voting data - one CD goes to election headquarters, one stays locked in the machine, and the only key belongs to the independent auditor.

Just ask a casino how they secure their electonic systems, or the US military, or a major corporation - come on!

Finally, the fact that votes and voter registrations are 'lost' is in itself blatant evidence of fraud. Every day in this country, billions of dollars flow through the financial networks via electronic tranfer, and money doesn't "go missing" - believe me, someone would notice. (Unless your talking about the Pentagon budget, but that's somewhat different).

This is all pretty obvious, but the fact is that the corporate class in this country hates democracy and transparency. After all, what is a 'limited liability corporation' (LLC) but a front group designed to protect the 'shareholders' from legal responsibility for their actions?

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Trust, But No Way to Verify?
Posted by: Liger on Nov 10, 2006 1:32 PM   
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The federal government is investigating the takeover last year of a leading American manufacturer of electronic voting systems by a small software company that has been linked to the leftist Venezuelan government of President Hugo Chávez.

The inquiry is focusing on the Venezuelan owners of the software company, the Smartmatic Corporation, and is trying to determine whether the government in Caracas has any control or influence over the firm's operations, government officials and others familiar with the investigation said.

Read More:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=103106A

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Computers could help--but not for voting
Posted by: mwildfire on Nov 10, 2006 3:56 PM   
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First, I agree with the person who said we ought to just use paper ballots. One respondent who claimed to also be familiar with the British and Australian systems claimed they're just as hackable, but I don't see how that could be true.
Second, the notion that we should shut up and be happy with the victory we got fails to take into account the January Surprise--in which Lieberman switches to Republican, thus making the Senate 50/50, with Darth Cheney breaking the tie (anyone know how they apportion committee chairmanships in that case?). And, I hate to say this, I just voted for him, but Senator Byrd is getting pretty long in the tooth. So I wouldn't count on control of the Senate remaining in Democratic hands beyond the lame duck interval.
So--simple solutions--yes we should scream for investigations, we can save money by returning to paper ballots, and we should toss the antidemocratic electoral college.
One more solution, to the rigging of the game via redistricting. Computers are a lousy way to vote, but they would be an excellent way to redraw district lines, because they're innocent of politics. Just program them to draw the lines based on maximum and minimum numbers of voters in each district, with a preferance for drawing lines to follow county/township/municipal boundaries where feasible, and natural boundaries like rivers as second preference. Do NOT program in any information about voting patterns.

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THE 2006 ELECTIONS AND THE COMING TRAINWRECK
Posted by: bonzo2_2 on Nov 10, 2006 8:21 PM   
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In the next few months, a financial crisis will arise somewhere in the world which will jolt the American economy and trigger a swift and precipitous decline in the value of the dollar.This is not speculation; it will happen and there is nothing that the Bush administration can do to stop it. All of the traditional supports for the dollar have been removed by the shrinking economy, a massive $800 billion account deficit, dramatic increases in the money supply, and the reckless manipulation of interest rates. Now, the noose is tightening. Our foreign trade partners can see that we are drowning in red ink and are refusing to buy back our debt in the form of US Treasuries. This is a death sentence for the dollar. It means that in a matter of months the once-mighty greenback will crash through the floor and free-fall through open space. Mike Swanson of the WallStreetWindow explains the worrisome details related to last month's trade deficit:

a few days ago the US Treasury reported that the net capital inflows from the rest of the world into the US fell for a 6th month in a row. Private (purchases) from abroad fell to $34.7 billion in August and from $72.9 billion in July. Asian central banks made up for the shortfall. If they hadn't the current account deficit would have exploded. The NY Times quoted Ashraf Laidi, a currency analyst at MG Financial Group as saying, "foreign central banks saved the dollar from disaster. The stability of the bond market is at the mercy of Asian purchases of US Treasuries."

Swanson poses an interesting theory, but it can't be verified since we the Fed stopped printing the M-3 (which would provide the relevant facts about the current cash inflows) and since China and Japan have slowed their purchases of UST Bonds. Jim Willie of GoldenJackass.com, offers an entirely different theory in his recent article "Spent Dollar Momentum". Willie opines: "Behind the scenes are the many illicit London-based firms busily buying US Treasury Bonds with freshly-printed money from the Dept of the Treasury. Their tracks are covered by the blackout on the money supply statistic. (M-3) An isolated US government with a well-oiled printing press as the primary support device makes for a dangerous currency situation."

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I agree with rick santorum
Posted by: lordzombie on Nov 10, 2006 8:27 PM   
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I never ever thought I would write that. america should put its enery to completely redefining the elctoral process, lets get the machines thrown out, lets create ballots as beautiful as currency, uncounterfeitable (sp?), lets have voting on saturdays, we can head down to the polls, and then go out for beers, lets celebrate it, fireworks, BBQ's, do it when the weather is nice, it always fucking rains on election day, lets really turn it into the amazing event that it should be.

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VOTING IN THE ABSENCE OF CHOICE
Posted by: bonzo2_2 on Nov 10, 2006 8:59 PM   
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Too many Americans harbor the illusion that we live in a democracy simply because we have the right to vote. But let us be clear about something: voting matters only where real choices are allowed. It is universally understood that special interest money runs the American political system and thus defines what the choices will be. So we are left to choose between candidates who are financed by special interest money, which any fool can see, is no choice at all. The system is purposely designed to require enormous expense from its participants. According to the very mainstream USA Today, the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics predicts that $2.6 billion will be spent on Congressional races this year alone, which thus precludes any third party candidate, as well as ordinary people, from all but token participation.

It requires big money to win political office and big money comes from the deep pockets of corporate America. In effect, special interest money has rendered the political process as we know it null and void by restricting our choices to candidates that have been pre-chosen for us by corporate America.

The choice is more illusory than real. Plutocrats and workers have nothing in common. People of ordinary means can no longer ascend to the presidency or even Congress. The composition of both the state and federal governments are very different from the socio-economic demographics of the populations they are supposed to represent, and it is no accident. Regardless where you look the rich are represented and the great majority is excluded. So if the Democrats wrest control of the government from the hands of the Republicans, it will be because conservative Democrats won some important races, precluding any progressive mandate from coming into play.

On the whole the nation will remain well to the right of center, and certainly will not progress toward the left. The bulk of the corporate money will reverse direction and flow from the Republicans into the coffers of the Democrats. The corporations will retain control.

One can cast protest votes, as I often do, for candidates who do not accept special interest money, but they are rarely, if ever, contenders. It requires huge sums of money to get media exposure, and to get on state ballots, yet alone contend for the prize. The system is designed to preclude challenges to the status quo, which leaves us to choose between Republicrats fielded by corporate backers. Corporate money so owns the political process that voters are left to choose only between the finer nuances of the capital system, and between degrees of corruption.

Ultimately the choice is between lesser evils, which speak volumes about the state of decay of American politics. Good never springs from evil, so we witness the steady moral decline of a nation mired in corruption and confusion.

There is nothing benign about corporate financiers who hedge their bets by supporting candidates of the major parties. Corporate CEOs are not philanthropists interested in the well being of America. They are motivated by greed and profits, and when they finance political campaigns, make no mistake about it; they are renting or buying politicians who will help them achieve their objectives. Special interest money is a malignancy that grows in the bowels of government, and it must be removed lest it kill the host. A system in which the high rollers and fat cats feed upon the bloated corpses of the tax payers and is accountable to no one should be an affront to all decent people of every political stripe. Let us see the political system in America for what it is, and for the cruel hoax that it has always been.

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DUH...FuTBAwLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mr. Heathen on Nov 10, 2006 9:55 PM   
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If there is any doubt about America's priorities, observe as Ahians drag their feet (and nukkels) by delaying the count of 38,000 remaining ballots until after "TH' BIG GAME!" Yee haw.
Who cares who their elected rep is? If they don't worship the Buckeyes, there's somethin' wrong with'm.
Today, the cops stopped traffic on the East outerbelt, in Columbus, during rush hour, to search a car which contained -MIDDLE-EASTERN-LOOKIN'-PEOPLE!
Go Michigan...yawn.

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Dems haven't even taken power yet
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 10, 2006 11:20 PM   
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that starts in January. But already repukes and others are complaining about what Dems haven't done. Give them some time to UNPACK for God's sake. It took Bush a few years to DESTROY everything, it is going to take longer to rebuild.

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Add my vote
Posted by: Jeanne on Nov 11, 2006 11:12 AM   
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to those who STILL want voting irregularities investigated. Just because the Dems won (mostly by narrow margins) doesn't mean that the vote wasn't hacked. Exit polls showed 6 of 10 voters wanted a change of course in Iraq. I don't think the voting results turned out 60/40 in many races. Is it because I'm math challenged that I see a discrepancy here? Vote hacking is still an issue, and if we walk away from it now, we will pay in 2008. I think this year the Repub operatives were overwhelmed by the margin. The vote count changes were probably set to a smaller percentage and with a 60% to 40% margin, the sliding of votes from one column to the other wasn't quite enough.

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This picture sums it up
Posted by: thinkingagain on Nov 14, 2006 12:09 AM   
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I guess this picture sums up what some people are thinking

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