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Blame for Iraq Extends Far Beyond the GOP

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted November 5, 2006.


It's dangerous to allow history to be written that it was "the Republicans" who got us into Iraq -- a lot of America's mushy moderate media and political establishment thought the invasion was a great idea at the time.
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Anyone out there see the Letterman-O'Reilly dustup that went down recently? On the surface it looked like a seminal moment in modern television history, a Godzilla v. Megalon monster epic in which Godzilla was finally toppled just outside the Tokyo city gates. Keeled over, its rubber eyes flitting dumbly against the cardboard landscape, we finally saw the great lizard's vulnerable side. It was almost possible to feel sorry for Bill O'Reilly, who had trotted out on set with the peace-offering of a plastic sword and shield, expecting to make nice with his fellow overpaid TV icon -- but who instead ended up skewered and turned over the video-spit by the end of the segment, with an apple in his mouth and Sumner Redstone's massive billionaire foot wedged firmly in his ass.

For the rest of his days, few people will forget the image of O'Reilly sitting glumly and taking it while some smug ex-weatherman called him a "bonehead" to raucous studio applause. Which is too bad, because Bill O'Reilly wasn't even the dumbest person on the set that day. For that honor my vote goes to Letterman. Here's Letterman's explanation of his initial position on the Iraq war:

Here is my position in the beginning. I think I sort of felt the way everybody did. We felt like we wanted to do something, because something terrible had been done to us. We did not understand exactly why, all we knew was that something terrible, something heinous, something obscene had been done to us. So, while it didn't exactly make as much sense to go in to Iraq as it did perhaps to go into Afghanistan, I like everybody else felt like, yes, we need to do something. We need to do something. And as the weeks turned into months, turned into years, and as one death became a dozen deaths became a hundred deaths became a thousand deaths, then we began to realize, you know what, maybe we're causing more trouble over there than the whole effort has been worth.

That's a hell of a speech -- back to it in a moment. For now, consider the context in which it was delivered. We are in the last week before midterm elections in George Bush's second term, five years after 9/11, three and a half since the beginning of the Iraq war. By now we can say without much hesitation that the media establishment has turned not only on George Bush, but on the public attack-dogs of his right flank who dominated the national political media for so long. There's no more free lunch for the likes of O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, the latter of whom also took an unusually savage fragging in the national media last week for his attack on Michael J. Fox. That incident basically moved Al Franken into the national mainstream, with even a normally gentle humorist like Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist Muke Luckovitch (from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution) calling Rush a "big fat idiot" last week.

What's happening is that these talk-radio pit-vipers who for a decade or so had us all wondering "How the fuck do these guys get away with this stuff?" are now no longer getting away with it -- there's now a mechanism in place in the national media that is poised to savage these guys for the same kinds of tactics that for the last ten years ago were mostly left to the likes of FAIR and Eric Alterman to bitch about.

And it goes beyond beating on O'Reilly and Rush. All across the media landscape, once-reviled liberal or Democratic figures are being rehabilitated and celebrated by the same national media that, at best, habitually described Democrats as soft on defense or as unelectable political losers throughout most of the Bush years. This process actually began some time ago, around the time the Iraq war really started to go sour; I remember in particular one week in May when Good Morning America had a fuzzy-warm bit on Al Gore's "comeback" and a laudatory piece on the Dixie Chicks on successive days. Could that have happened in 2003? I doubt it. And it's continuing today; Chris Matthews last week called Nancy Pelosi "stylish" and compared her to Joe DiMaggio, of all people, while David Gregory went on the campaign trail with Michael J. Fox for the Today show. Can you imagine NBC news throwing a tow-line to a liberal Hollywood actor before the 2000 presidential elections? 2004? No way. But this year, it's possible.

Last week we also saw Wolf Blitzer, before the war one of the chief cheerleaders for the invasion, finding himself arrayed in an antiwar pose in another Japanese monster-movie debate situation with Lynne Cheney, with whom he had a fierce exchange over the broadcast of unpleasant footage from Iraq. And of course there was Bob Woodward, who a few years ago published one of the all-time Electrolux suck jobs for the administration with Bush at War, reading the writing on the wall and doing a complete about-face in his new book State of Denial, which came out to much fanfare and an uncompromising 60 Minutes segment last month.

Look, there's nothing mysterious about any of this. It's pretty obvious what's going on. We saw this same kind of cultural shift in 1968, after the Tet offensive (an analogy so obvious that even Tom Friedman saw it recently), when the American political establishment soured on the Vietnam War. Despite the conservative propaganda that for decades has insisted that it was the media that lost the war for us in Vietnam, in fact the media didn't turn on the Vietnam war effort until the war was already lost. And the reason the media soured on that war had nothing to do with it being wrong; it had to do with the post-Tet realization that the war was expensive, unwinnable, and politically costly. America is reaching the same conclusion now about Iraq, and so, like Dave Letterman, a whole host of people who just a few years ago thought we "had to do something" are now backing off and repositioning themselves in an antiwar stance.


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Posted by: dhardisty on Nov 5, 2006 9:53 PM   
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Thanks for reminding us. Tell it like it is.

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» Media is about money! Posted by: Conservasaurus
BUSH-AMERIKA IS IRAQ AND IRAQ IS BUSH-AMERIKA
Posted by: victorberry on Nov 6, 2006 4:12 AM   
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Bush-Amerika's priorities of God, family, and country are the same as Iraq's priorities of Allah, tribe, and country.

The common characteristic of both "democratic" governments is tyranny of the majority.

I've heard military officials on the ground in Iraq say that the only thing Iraqis understand is violence.

Look in the mirror Bush-Amerika. What do you see?

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I kind of agree...
Posted by: mutant on Nov 6, 2006 6:07 AM   
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The political middle is gutless. Their fear of taking a stand, which could end up being unpopular is a disgrace. But that doesn't excuse BushCo. at all. They are evil, calculating criminals.

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vote them all out of office
Posted by: droe on Nov 6, 2006 6:22 AM   
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Anyone, especially Democrats, who authorized the war in Iraq should be voted out of office when their time comes. Enough intelligence was available to know there was no justification for war in Iraq. I think now that we are being reminded what war actually means we are starting to wake up, unfortunately it is too late.

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Holocaust Denial
Posted by: rwa on Nov 6, 2006 7:31 AM   
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Terry Jones
Sunday November 5, 2006
The Observer

In 59BC, Julius Caesar declared he was so shocked by the incursions of the dangerous Helvetii tribe into Gaul, and the suffering of the Gaulish peoples, that he had himself appointed 'protector of the Gauls'. By the time he'd finished protecting them, a million Gauls were dead, another million enslaved and Julius Caesar owned most of Gaul. Now I'm not suggesting there is any similarity between George W Bush's protection of the Iraqi people and Caesar's protection of the Gauls.

For a start, Julius Caesar, as we all know, was bald, whereas George W Bush has a fine head of hair.
In any case, George W Bush is not personally making huge amounts of money out of it. The money-making is all left in the capable hands of companies like CACI International, Blackwater Security and Haliburton.

It's true that Vice-President Dick Cheney's stock options in his old company, Haliburton, went up from $241,498 in 2004 to $8m in 2005 - that's an increase of 3,281 per cent.

But then Dick Cheney is bald.

The point I'm trying to make is that there is absolutely no comparison to be made between Julius Caesar's invasion of Gaul in 58-50BC and George Bush's invasion of Iraq.

I mean, Julius Caesar had the nerve to pretend that the Roman state was being threatened by what was going on in Gaul. He claimed he had to carry out a pre-emptive strike against the Helvetii in the interests of homeland security. In reality, his motives were political. He desperately needed a military victory to boost his standing in Rome and give him the necessary popular base to seize power.

George W Bush, on the other hand, was already in power when he invaded Iraq and, in any case, he didn't need to boost his popularity, because the popular vote had nothing to do with his getting into power in the first place. Julius Caesar was also a very adroit propagandist who made damn sure that his version of events prevailed. He even wrote eight books about his wars in Gaul to make sure it did. George W Bush doesn't need to go to such lengths. He has Fox News.

When Julius Caesar claimed his glorious victory over the Helvetii, he made it sound as if he had destroyed a vast army of 'wild and savage men'. Julius Caesar reckoned he had slaughtered more than 250,000 'insurgents'. In fact, documents found in the remains of the Helvetii camp showed that out of 368,000 people, only 92,000 had been capable of bearing arms.

In other words, it wasn't an army that Julius Caesar massacred, but a whole population including women, children, old and sick, which, I suppose, is one thing that George W Bush and Julius Caesar do have in common: pretending civilians are armed insurgents.

But there the similarity ends. One of the most fundamental differences between Julius Caesar and George W Bush is that Julius Caesar counted his dead, whereas George W Bush can't be bothered. It seems that, as commander-in-chief, George W Bush instructed his soldiers not to count the enemy dead. So the fact that he still sticks to an estimate of only 30,000 dead Iraqis, even when a recently published study in the Lancet suggests he's slaughtered at least 655,000, can only be the result of his extraordinary modesty.

Why else would he dismiss the study as pure guesswork or claim it had used a 'methodology [that] is pretty well discredited', even though the US government has been spending millions of dollars a year to train NGOs in this exact same methodology? Julius Caesar would have seized on the figures with alacrity.

And that is the biggest difference of all: Julius Caesar was an ambitious, vainglorious, would-be tyrant. George W Bush is a modest and self-deprecating one.

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» RE: Holocaust Denial Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» Slight correction about Caesar Posted by: Swatopluk
» Terry Jones...not rwa Posted by: RevRick
» RE: Holocaust Denial Posted by: rsaxto
You forgot something...
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 6, 2006 9:57 AM   
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Uh, Matt - what about the DEMOCRATS? They controlled the Senate when Georgie got his war authorization, or had you forgotten?

Aside from the vote count (a majority of Senate Dems), perhaps the most egregious was John Kerry's role on the committee: Scott Ritter told him, personally, that there were no WMD's (he should know - and no one has been more thoroughly vindicated), and asked to testify;

Kerry refused to put him before the committee.

Let me dot the i's: that's a coverup. Kerry knew the Bushies were lying, but he didn't want everyone else to know. So it's no wonder the "moderate" MSM were cheerleading for the war: the "moderate" Dems were, too. A lot of them still are.

Do you suppose this is why they still aren't trying to hold Bush accountable, and are promising in public that they won't even if they control Congress? It's because they're hoist with the same petard. Politically, they're just as guilty as he is, and they're lying when they say they didn't know (why would a politician boast about being a fool - unless it's better than the alternative?)

I don't want to give the MSM an excuse, because their behavior isn't excusable. That's why the Net is outdoing themn as a source of news. But your indictment is highly selective. You're letting the most important criminals off the hook.

And yes, it matters in this election. Some of the senators who voted for the war are up for re-election this year (Clinton, Cantwell, Lieberman, etc.), and most of them are doing very well. The Dems among them are benefitting from our desire to blame the Bushies for the war that those senators voted for and helped promote.

There are Greens running against some of them, who are genuine anti-war candidates. They deserve our support; pro-war Dems do not.

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» RE: You forgot something... Posted by: techphile
» RE: You forgot something... Posted by: wisconsinpat
The Blame for War on Iran?
Posted by: rwa on Nov 6, 2006 11:04 AM   
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Well that should go to Matt, since he's been busy promoting the basis of the "war on terror" myth, the official 9/11 fairytale.

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» xymphora Posted by: rwa
The WinCult (TM)
Posted by: tuxperger on Nov 6, 2006 12:42 PM   
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This is bigger than just Iraq. Sad as it is, people care more about success vs. failure then about right vs. wrong. It's all about winning -- at any price.

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» RE: The WinCult (TM) Posted by: perri6
Is it Snowing this Early or Is It Just the Jim Baker SnowJob?
Posted by: edith on Nov 6, 2006 3:55 PM   
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Jim Baker eminence grise of the Bush Dynasty and the sponsor of the Baker Institute at Rice U which sponsored the infamous PNAC Report where the blueprint for the financial elites plan for Wall St world domination is set forth, wil issue soon a "nonpartisan" review of Iraq policy. this will give W an "out" to do something alternative to stay the course, The "Iraq Study Group" cochair is lapdog Lee Hamilton, former Democrat chair of the International Relations Committee in the House, and the Establishment's favorite "Democrat" flunkie who cosponsored the coverup on 9/11 with Wall ST Yankee autocrat Thomas Kean Sr. the exgov of NJ(remember him in Brooks Brothers suit on the sands of South Jersey promoting tourism,"visit New Jersey, It's PAHHHHFECT". Only a blue blood like Kean or Kerry can get away with that accent!

Anyway, here comes the new coverup as Jim Baker's report won't assess blame and "looks forward", according to the most influential man in the US. (and you thought it was W or the chair of the Fed)... Tsk Tsk.

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"Surely that behavior is more shameful than anything coming out of the White House. "
Posted by: LeftWright on Nov 6, 2006 11:43 PM   
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hmmmmmmmmmm, let's see..........

stolen elections

9/11 complicity

warrantless wiretapping

illegal invasions and occupations with depleted Uranium weapons

extraordinary renditions

secret prisons

torture

genocide

killing habeas corpus

Yeah, Mr. Taibbi, you're right, the waffling MSM is definitely "more shameful than anything coming out of the White House."

Would someone please take his word processor away before he debases himself any further.

PLEASE

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» MSM = Main Stream Media Posted by: LeftWright
The Blame for 9/11 Ignorance Extends Far Beyond GOP
Posted by: robin45 on Nov 7, 2006 7:08 AM   
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Since 9/11, critical investigations of the facts of 9/11 have been few and far between. Vapid regurgitations of the official story have been the norm. Acceptance of this false-flag attack by our own government has led to atrocities like the Iraq War. The mainstream media has been singing us to sleep on the issue, while the Internet rages in a three-way debate between truth advocates, deliberate obfuscators, and misguided debunkers. I urge anyone who reads this to also view 9/11 Mysteries: Demolitions, as well as 9/11: Press for Truth, on Google Videos. Also, please check out www.wtc7.net and www.oilempire.us for more information. Don't be silenced by right-wing OR left-wing media dupes. Obviously, they don't really know what's going on. Just look at Thomas Friedman's support of the "Carribbean" Free Trade Agreement !!! (ROTFLOL)

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Hey Matt, Why Not Start With the Man in the Mirror?
Posted by: gretavo on Nov 7, 2006 7:26 AM   
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Everything you write about the shmucks who went along with the invasion of Iraq because, duh, we wuz hit, duh we hafta hit back, duh, applies to you tenfold for your inexplicable insistence on smearing those of us who can see (no f bombs necessary here) how patently absurd the official account of 9/11 is. Buildings don't crumble into dust even when they are hit by planes, OK, Matt? Buildings never hit by planes don't crumble into dust either--got that? OK, now here's the last one, which I hope you can wrap your brain around in time to save your heavily damaged soul--liars and murderers like Bush and his posse do NOT value American lives any more than they value Iraqi lives. They planned 9/11 as a pretext for a new era of fascism and brutality. They framed an entire civilization and then punished them brutally for a crime they did not commit. Following me here? Despite your best (worst) efforts, people are discovering the truth in greater numbers every day--you don't know this maybe because you move in circles that would not care much for you if you didn't parrot the lies they live on. You promised in your last hit piece that you would follow up with an analysis of "the science." I'm waiting, Matt. I'm waiting to see which you choose--admitting after looking at the facts that you were wrong, or continuing a charade that is by now so obviously evil and bankrupt in every way that it will prevent you from sleeping to know you weren't man enough to expose it. I expect another 400 comments here like last time that will make it clear to your readers what Matt Taibbi is really all about. Prove us wrong, Matt. Tell us again why you believe in these vicious, racist lies.

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Taibbi too easy on both Bush and the rest of us.
Posted by: pudnpienh on Nov 7, 2006 7:34 AM   
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Matt Taibbi's article is telling and its main conclusion, our nation is guilty as charged not Bush alone, valid.

It's also evident that Bush and the usual gang that pulls his strings is specially "guilty", and "We the People", including our boys/girls, men and women in the military, have no more moral safe harbor than those who sewed the seed for the moral morass that infected Abu Ghraib, only later to say the morass was attributable to a few bad apples.

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Craniac
Posted by: Craniac on Nov 7, 2006 11:46 AM   
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Matt:

You promised to review the science of the 9.11 attacks and report as to your findings. We will continue to remind you of this until addressed in your column.
In your search for the truth, you might visit www.pilotsfor911truth.org, since the prevailing wisdom among supporters of the official fairy tale is that 9.11 truthers are nothing but a bunch of left wing nutcases and tin-foil hatters. I'd be hard pressed to call any member of the pilotsfor911truth any of those things.


I'll let you alone now. You've got lots of studying to do.

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some of them
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 8, 2006 2:29 AM   
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There are a lot of Republicans and a lot of Democrats who are guilty of sucking up to bad policies and war crimes. The worst of the bunch are Republicans who actually ordered up the bad policies and war crimes = Bushies. The lower tier of Bushie pushers are partially guilty for they knew or should have known that the authorized war was wrong but are not directly responsible. The international community should convict the worst Bushies of war/other crimes and toss them in jail. The others need to be identified and wrist-slapped. The Congress should impeach/investigate the worst of the Bushies and turn them over to the international community. Get the truth out and maybe decency can survive.

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Good point...Dangerous logic.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 8, 2006 3:45 AM   
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Like Germany around 1945, many of those complicit in the madness will try to slink away, blend into the crowd, or talk their way out. You make a good point in not letting them off.

You take it too far when you put Bush et al on higher ground than the main targets of your article. That's a dangerous bit of logic: the fanatic is better than those who run with the crowd? It's a lesser crime to have blood on your hands so long as you believe in what you're doing and are willing to stick it out?

This is the same logic which has helped keep Der Fuhrer in office: Many think he's a sincere guy who's doing what he thinks is right and what God tells him...and isn't a flip-flopping baby-kisser like Clinton--or something like that.

That's BS. I don't care if you're a sincere Nazi or a Nazi because it's good for business. You're both Nazis.

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Good points, Matt
Posted by: hagwind on Nov 8, 2006 4:46 AM   
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Now that the Democrats have won control of the House and maybe control of the Senate, what I feel in the pit of my stomach is dread: now the Dems are going to prove right out in public that they're as gutless and as ethically and politically bankrupt as I've been afraid they were but hoping they weren't. And the mainstream media? It's been so long since we had anything close to competent investigative and analytical journalism, I'm afraid there's no one out there who remembers how to do it. On the brink of the Nicaraguan elections I clipped this lead paragraph from the Boston Globe website, Boston.com:

"Nearly three decades after coming to power behind the barrel of a gun, Washington's Cold War-era nemesis Daniel Ortega has joined hands with former battlefield enemies, changed his campaign colors from revolutionary red to peace-loving pink, and could be on the verge of an electoral comeback."

How about a rewrite? "More than two centuries after coming to power behind the barrels of many muskets, the descendants of rebels and traitors are poised to wrest control of Congress from their former allies. The former avowed revolutionaries claim that they are committed to a peaceful transition."

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There was no mistake on WMDs - they lied and lied and lied
Posted by: Julian on Nov 8, 2006 5:02 AM   
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It was blindingly obvious in early 2003 that the WMD talk was a deliberate lie told by practically every newspaper, every radio and TV station, every politician in the USA and its satellites.
How does one know this? The answer is in a single word: Blix.
Let's join the dots as anyone not motivated by ill-will towards "lesser breeds" could do back then.
Saddam had finally given Blix's team carte blanche to go anywhere in Iraq looking for WMDs. No exempt palaces. No exempt barracks. No sacred sites.
To find any WMDs that were there the UN team needed two things - time and resources. Not all that much time and not all that much treasure (nothing to what was poured into massacring the Iraqi civilians on Day One alone).
Now suppose that the US administration believed there was the slightest possibility that WMDs were there. And suppose their urgent mission was to find them if they werfe there, and remove them. They would have backed Blix to find them, log them and report them -- and THEN demanded they be handed over or there would be war.
But they didn't.
Therefore they could not have believed there even MIGHT be WMDs in Iraq.
Nor could the commentariat. Nor could the Democrats. Nor could anyone else with a brain bigger than a pea - and even Bush's brain is (marginally) bigger than a pea.
All who continued -- after the US had hastily brushed Blix aside -- to bleat about supposed WMDs was and is a liar complicit in the most monstrous crime since the rape of Vietnam and before that the invasion of Poland. David Letterman's excuse is contemptible.

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Glad someone besides me said it.
Posted by: bookwoman on Nov 8, 2006 6:14 AM   
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The fault for Iraq belongs on the shoulders of every member of Congress who voted to give Bush permission to attack. They could have stopped him and forced him to go through the process we are now following with Iran and North Korea. Instead, in order not to look like Dick Gephardt with Desert Storm, voting against an operation which was quick and, at least, partially successful, they lined up to rubber stamp this nonsense.

The plaintive "we didn't know he really intended to do it" is stupid. He had been telling us for six months that he intended to do it. It was like giving matches to a three year old. I hope, now, that the Dems can stop back peddling from their responsibility for this "Quagmire" (Rumsfeld's own words), and get us out of there. With deaths in double digits each morning, we are obviously not doing the Iraqis any good.

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Write on!
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 8, 2006 7:38 AM   
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But now is the time for progressives to not forget who voted for and endorse or quietly allowed the Junta to do its evil-doin'. We gotta make these milquetoasts start bowing and scraping in gratitude for putting them in power. We need to extort the hell outta them by holding their asses to the fire and saying: IRV in all single seat elections (constitutional amendment level), like yesterday, you bonejobs who rubber stamped shrub's illegal wars, Impeachment, right now, right this minute, you last-minute-quarterbacks who now claim to be antiwar, Get the frack outta Irack, you wishy-washy establishment snobs who wring your hands and did nothing while more than half-million Iraqis died and 5K of 'Mer'kuhz finest died with them... Just to name a few things that are vitally needed.

Now that the White Supremacists have been smacked down (Except in CA where they won... at least by smaller margins this time), it's time to ensure constitutional purity and start the purges. I'm not holding my breath though, a protest smackdown is what this was and all the flip-floppin' is evidence that the facists can come right back in, next time with more lethal vengeance as is their historical m.o. Come on, Pelosi actually make change? A Shrub yes-chick change her sztripes? Don't count on it.

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Many Democrats
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 8, 2006 8:10 AM   
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voted for Bush to go into Afghanistan, not Iraq. Bush went into Iraq with inferred approval, under a veil of lies. And since the Repukes had control anyway, what did it matter?
We are in Iraq because George Bush is a f'in liar and should be put on trial. First time I've been in favor of capitol punishment.

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Americans WANTED to believe their president
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 8, 2006 8:20 AM   
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and continued to believe him too long. But is it wrong for Americans to have faith in their government? Isn't it George Bush who abused that trust?

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» No we didn't. Posted by: gretavo
Forget the Blame Game, Let's Get Busy: BAN dU Weapons NOW
Posted by: LeftWright on Nov 8, 2006 9:08 AM   
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Call on the Senate and House to ban depleted Uranium weapons immediately

Coalition forces have used more than 120,000 kg of dU weapons in Iraq since 2003.

This is in addition to the 2700 tonnes of dU used in the 1990-1991 Gulf War.

Depleted Uranium has a half-life of 4.5 billion years.

U.S. forces continue to use these WMD's in Iraq.

We must end this insanity ASAP.

Please contact your local House and Senate members, Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Murtha today and once a week on this issue until they ban dU weapons.

Speaker Pelosi
2371 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

Rep. Murtha
2423 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

Only mail POST CARDS, as letters get screened for bio-weapons.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Be well.

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We the People
Posted by: bookie on Nov 8, 2006 9:26 AM   
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Let the war happen. When Bush was first Declared president, my first reaction "Oh shit, the little fucker will send us right into a war in Iraq." But after 9/11 when the Bushies wrapped themselves up in the American flag, most of the country followed them dumbly like sheep. Go back and look at the old polls. As a group, Americans supported this stupid war. We wanted it. We believed what the little Texas Turd had to say. Our Representatives in Congress voted the way the majority of people back home wanted.
Now I'm delighted with the election results. I think Bush and his little butt buddies are evil. But, really, this war was not started without the country's implicit consent.

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Robert Gates is NO improvement over Rumsfeld
Posted by: LeftWright on Nov 8, 2006 10:43 AM   
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Can you say:

IRAN/CONTRA

Gates and DNI Negroponte have the blood of death squads all over their hands and will get along very well. This is not a good thing, brothers and sisters.

Oppose the Gates nomination.

Please contact your local House and Senate members, Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Murtha today and every day in opposition to Gates..


Speaker Pelosi
2371 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

Rep. Murtha
2423 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

Let's keep it non-violent, brothers and sisters. Let others be violent and show their true colors and desperation.

Stay in the light and fight for what's right.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Be well.

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Get back on topic. The real problem's the media
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 8, 2006 10:55 AM   
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The problem with the media-- left, right, or mush middle-- is that they're a pack of simpletons that can only deal with superficial shallow factoids.

There's a number of issues that should have come up prior to this election that went right under the media's radar. Why? Because they can't handle complexity, just simple "talking points". Rove's genius is that he can create small morsels for the media idiots so that he can get his message out. The press is just like a gaggle of children with little ability to analyze information.

Take the issue of gasoline prices. Everyone spoted the fact that prices fell significantly and steadily up to the election. It certainly looked like some kind of market manipulation. How did the press handle it?. They asked the White House Press Secretary if the White House was "manipulating gas prices". To no one's surprise, his answer was that George Bush didn't have the power to do such a thing and that only conspiracy nut cases could possibly believe it.

Right under the reporters' noses, Goldman Sachs made a radical change to one of their indexes substantially lowering the weighting of gasoline in the index. This forced funds to sell off billions of dollars of paper based on gasoline futures prices. Additionally, the White House had failed to return oil to the strategic petroleum reserve (contrary to law, by the way), and the Pentagon had sold substantial amounts fuel they had stockpiled. Of course the price of gas plunged. (One might also find the same evidence for rigging up a Dow Jones Industrial Index that conveniently rose just prior to the election.)

The problem is that this kind of info is just too complex for someone with a 5th grade understanding of math. The real question is this: can we afford a press that's this plain dirt stupid?

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» I wasn't excusing the press for Iraq Posted by: ReallyBearish
Signing and impeaching
Posted by: Julian on Nov 8, 2006 12:31 PM   
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Speaker-elect Pelosi was quick to assure her congressional and administration colleagues there would be no move to impeach Bush. The election was over, time for the politicians to close ranks and protect their own.

This was perhaps the first really clear post-election warning that representative goverrnment had again prevailed over democracy.

If the Demcrats were serious they would at the very least leave the impeachment weapon on the table - to be used the very minute that the twice-unelected President used the "signing" stratagem to bypass the Congress.

They could even have tried democracy itself, promising that if Bush signed into being one more attack on liberty or one more foreign adventure there would be an impeachment referendum.

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BAD THEATRE @ AMERIKA CORP
Posted by: Hal on Nov 8, 2006 1:06 PM   
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Another M. Taibbi dollop of transparent rubbish parading as “journalism”.

Bogus “war on terror” starring Iraq War Incorporated was in the pipeline from well before the neo-con foisted “Iraq Liberation Act” of 1998 as unanimously passed in the Senate.

After an MSM pumped 911 cover-up, an equally phony “war on terror” greased the skids for Big Oil grabs from Iraq to Eurasia. And this over people like UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter and a dozen others that knew and said there were no WMD or real reasons for war outside of blood money greed.

Now that Democrats have supposedly taken over the Senate and Congress, it will be the bad theatre of pretend good cops replacing bad cops that conned the nation into $2 trillion dollar war that continues to enrich the usual suspects.

Of course, what goes unseen and unreported is an entire poodle machine at Washington thru MSM for a fig leaf farce bought and paid for by corporate crime monopoly.

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EVERYONE of the assholes should be prosecuted
Posted by: Burtonger on Nov 8, 2006 1:13 PM   
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All and any person or corporation that had anything to do with promoting this illegal war should be prosecuted to the fullest extent and watched for their entire life ,if not executed in public. These people are war criminals for life,even bar their relatives from ever holding public office.
Fuck any law that is not for transparency of purposes of law and governments. Secrecy should be illegal in any government agency,even national security needs a fair watchdog.

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Tutti culpa
Posted by: willymack on Nov 8, 2006 7:01 PM   
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Wow! what a reaction to Lettermen's skewering of Bill O' Reilly! Lest we forget, Letterman is a comedian whose job is to get laughs. The extension of this is naming bush, cheney,et.al, the media, and various nitwits, knuckleheads, nincompoops and numbskulls among our citizenry as culpable in creating the mess we're in at present. While all these folks contribute to our problems, it's the Unseen Ones-those shadow figures who manipulate us all to their purposes, which is the acquisition of vast and illegal wealth, and who operate safely out of sight, that run the show. What's the best way to accumulate obscene amounts of money? Why, start a "war". Even the most transparent pretext will do when a large majority of our people are so easily led down the garden path. Just get them emotionally stirred up, like the fools in megachurches, and you can get them to support almost anything. By the time these people wake up, the money will have been stolen from our national treasury, never to be recovered. Want an example of this? Look at the 8.8 billion dollars that simply "disappeared" in Iraq. No investigation was conducted, because it's already known whose pockets the money ended up in, and how much in kickbacks was received by our "leaders". This evil alliance of business interests and crooked politicians, if allowed to continue, will be the ruin of us all.

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My God, what a bunch of loonies
Posted by: SALLY EVANS on Nov 8, 2006 8:38 PM   
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The media has become even worse than I thought it was. I stopped watching their nonsence a couple of years ago sticking to the facts via the intenet on webs like truthout.org. My TV is used for very selective entertainment which eliminates the so called news media. What a bunch of jokers. The most stupid guy that ever occupied the White House and still the media supported him? SICK! REALLY SICK.! THERE NEEDS TO BE A MASSIVE INVESTIGATION BUT DON'T FORGET WHERE THE BUCK STOPS. THAT'S AT THE WHITE HOUSE DOOR. BUSH AND CHENEY ARE TRAITORS ALONG WITH THEIR WHOLE ROTTEN BUNCH! INDICT THEM NOW.!

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And what of Lieberman?
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Nov 9, 2006 10:03 AM   
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If the Democrats welcome Lieberman back into the fold, with all his perks and honors intact, I will know that nothing has changed.

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» RE: And what of Lieberman? Posted by: opeluboy
Letterman
Posted by: reinaldok on Nov 9, 2006 11:29 AM   
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Hey: Who is this "everybody" that Letterman keeps talking about? I don't know that guy. I sure know many who were willing to give Hans Blix a chance. But "everybody" no way.
I sure will agree that there were vary many of us who just didn't go along with the absurd concept of pre-emptive war.
We sure lacked the guts not to have spoken up with real courage. But at least we were not "everybody"

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» RE: Letterman Posted by: opeluboy
almost correct
Posted by: opeluboy on Nov 9, 2006 4:08 PM   
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Taibbi of course leaves out the Dems in this whole thing, but he's right on Letterman, whose position at the start of the war was no different from Al Franken's. And Franken still thinks Afghanistan was a wise and heroic move. Dumb fuck.

And this view was no different from (the Jerusalem Post's) Blitzer's. Or any other American Zionist. Kill Arabs and Muslims? Give Israel a hand? Some many Arabs to kill, so little time.

Letterman's amorality is repugnant. With a possible 650,000 dead (not counting the 500,000 that died during Clinton's sanctions, you know, that insignificant episode that was "worth it" to the gargoyle Madeline Albright) one would think he could muster a bit of sympathy, a tone of sorrow but as usual it is just more narcissism. It's all about him.

Wanna bet he supported the near-destruction of Lebanon and the coming bombing Iran?

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An imaginary media-insulated conversation
Posted by: jayco999 on Nov 9, 2006 4:42 PM   
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An imaginary media-insulated conversation

We think these guys should be tortured and by god (with whom we have a personal relationship, and it’s a good one) we’re going to torture them.

Well, we’re against torture when anyone’s looking, but if you’re really sure they need to be tortured, ok then, wouldn’t want to be seen going against god. (Can we watch?)

Some time later…

God told us to smite these guys - or was it the drugs the devil, a liberal, tempted us with. Let’s pray we’d have the strength to do it all again: find it in your heart to forgive us, you know you want to, it’s so ennobling, and we’ll all get back on the ride to redemption.

They told us it was necessary, we just believed them, is that so bad, anyway you elected them remember, you wanted us to believe them. (How come you get the jet and I get the moped. Oh, must be hard with six sets of servants, oh, yeah the side car’s real nice, thanks.)

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