Joe Lieberman's Dangerous Alliance with Christian Zionists [VIDEO]

Evan Derkacz's comments are on the right track; Sen. Lieberman has bought into the Christian Zionism movement that is based on the apostacy and heresy of "Rapture" doctrine. So have the Bush Administration exploited Israel for gaining a foothold in the oil rich Med-East.

The facts: The word "Rapture" does not appear in the Bible or any concordance. Rapture had its genesis in 1830 in the visions of 15 year old Margaret McDonald, a parishioner of her pastor, Edward Irving, who was kicked out of the Presbyterian Church and now credited with being the father of the Penticostal churches. She was on her sickbed and delirious. Her vision was of Christ's returning twice, not the biblically correct once (called 'Pre-millennialism') where the 'Saints' will be plucked directly up into heaven before the tribulation refered to in the Book of Revelation. This corrupted theology provides the fictional basis for Tim LeHaye's "Left Behind" novels and to the Christian Zionists. The Christian Zionists believe that they can conjure Jesus down for his first and invisible second coming to take them all bodily up into heaven by razing the Moslem Dome of the Rock in the Jerusalem Temple Mount, and rebuilding the Jewish Temple! The Christian Zionists hold one strong belief in common with the Lukid fascists and extreme Orthodox Jews. That is that the nation of Israel will be extended to its farthest all time historical reaches before the Messiah comes (for the first time). This is extemely fortuitous for the oil corporations agenda of conquering the Mid-East and the Bush, oil-men, Administration. Geo. Bush and Karl Rove may not personally buy into the Rapture-Zionist fanaticism, but they continue to exploit it as embodied by the TV preachers like Falwell and Robertson, etc.

Readers, know your Bible better than the enemy, join your mainline local church and hang out with the ministers who know their Christian and Jewish theology. Realize that the Armageddon, tribulation, Apocalypse have already happened in the Roman Empire days. The 'Beast' was Caesar Domitian, and his name was 666. Read Apartheid Anglican priest and author, Allan Boesak. Also, read Matthew Boyd's most important new book, The Myth of the Christian Nation and Rabbi Michael Lerhner's new book, The Left Hand of God: Taking Our Country Back from the Religious Right.

Remember, Israelis readily admit that less than 20% of Israeli ethnic Jews are religious; they are agnostic in a theocracy. However, theocracies are by definition, Corporatism, a form of fascism. Theocracy is also the agenda of the religious right here in the US in the form of Faith Based government. No less than Hitler and Mussolini combined Christian Church and state to legitimize their fascist regimes and warfare.

But above all else, read the words of Jesus in the Book of Matthew Ch.5-7 to hear the real Jesus speak for himself and for what Christians all should aspire to be, pacifists.

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The Christian Zionists and their American Jewish counterparts have most certainly harmed Israel and will likely contibute to its complete, final destruction. But one should also remember that there is hardly a Democratic politician that expresses views any different from either of these groups or supports Israel any less blindly and stupidly. Right now a majority of Dems are onboard to attack Iran, something Israel demands. The blowback from this will be catastrophic.

I would also suggest, as many Israeli writers have, that the right-wing Israeli government and its actions are more responsible for world wide anti-Semitism in recent years than any other cause. This does not increase the small state's chances of survival. When you're this small, and surrounded, it is not wise to piss off a billion people, whether one has nukes or not.

Finally, what will eventually do Israel in is its own arrogance, supremacist beliefs, narcissism, corruption and unbridled belligerance. The American people are already tiring of this parasitic relationship, especially fighting wars for Israel while they gallantly hold our coats. I believe a day will come when the majority of us finally say "enough" and Israel is removed, once and for all, from the tit. This will be the end, for the country simply cannot survive without American financial transfusions.

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Friends,

For the most comprehensive source of information on Christian Zionism, I encourage you to visit www.christianzionism.org, the website produced by the Institute for the Study of Christian Zionism.

The Institute and the website approach the topic from both political and theological perspectives, advocating for a truly evangelical (where's the Good News in Christian Zionism?!?) and biblically-based understanding of Christian witness.

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Lieberman is such a smarmy douchebag. He's running this ad out here in Westchester County (adjacent to Connecticut) that entirely consists of people "on the street" who say, "I don't know what Ned Lamont stands for," and "I know his stance on Iraq, but what else does he stand for?" and "I don't think he has enough experience," on and on, and then you see Lieberman with "I approved this message." What message? That you can't campaign on your disastrous political history? It's a pretty pathetic situation when Bush won't publicly endorse the Repub Senatorial candidate b/c Lieberman's been in bed with the other party for years! What, Lieberman wants votes based on voter ignorance? Do these confused voters ever think of going to the Lamont campaign website? Absolutely ridiculous.

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Christians can be bad and Zionists can be bad but Christian Zionists are the worst.

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If you can get beyond the hypocrisy on both sides- the Christian zionists and the extreme rightwing zionists, there's actually a fascinating symmetry to this all:

Zionists took a religious concept, the Jewish homeland, and made it into historical fact. Indeed, during the 19th c. among zionists' biggest opponents were orthodox Jews.

Christian Zionists are taking an historical truth, the Middle East wars, and are conferring it religious meaning, namely the first steps to the second coming.

Of course, the Right wing Israeli zionists most certainly give a hoot about the Second Coming; and the Christian Zionists aren't about to bring along Jews to Heaven when Christ returns.

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Has anyone floated this explanation for Lieberman? One that might explain everything from his race-baiting to his abandonment of his own party to his insistance on acting like one of Bush's toadies? One that makes sense of his sometimes nonsensical opinions?

It may have been whispered behind his back in the halls of power. . .

Dare I say it?

O.K. I will. . .

Lieberman is just. . .is just. . .

WHACKO!

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And Now My Son, The Trinity
And now my son, it’s time for you at three times three, to learn of the trinity. First son put Jesus first. "Jesus First, got it Dad." Good, then put Hate Second, "hate second got it Dad." Then put Truth third; "truth 3rd, got it Dad." Now son, lets begin. We must always follow the teachings of Jesus. First, Western European people who came to this country are the true Americans. Ok, Dad. Now the Ten Million lower class red men that lived here we killed, and that is good. "That is good, got it Dad." Now son, we realized that we didn’t have any lower class after that, so we goes to a bad country called Africa, and we took the low class from there, and we brought them here to fill in for the Injuns we kilt. "Black replaces red as our lower class, Got it Dad." You learn fast son. Now, what we did next was genius son, we taught the black about Jesus, and threw in the Devil to keep them savages under control. "Scare the lower class, got it Dad." See son, what goes on between some men's ears is what to really fear. "Fear what's between the ears, got it Dad." Ok, now we formed a government of Western Europeans, and we used the religion written by the Southern Europeans from Italy to hold all this together. Western European government, Southern European religion, got it Dad. Ok, now we put together a Constitution son, and a Bill of Rights for the folks who are not lower class. Wow, Dad, is that were the “all men are created equal came in.” No son it doesn’t say in the Constitution all men are created equal, and son take my word for it, it never will. "Ok Dad, all men are not created equal." Good son, now your catching on. Now son Jesus rules over all, so as I said, put Jesus first. "Dad, did we kill all the red men?" No son, we kept a few and put them on reservations, and then we give them money for stealing their land, and then we sent a Jew called Abramoff to get some of it back. "I don’t understand Dad." Well son, if you want to steal from the treasury, you have to pay the people’s money to someone legal like, and then take some back. See. "Oh, I get it Dad, you steal from the treasury legally." "Is there any other way to steal from the treasury Dad?" Sure son, good question, you have a war based on a good principal like Operation Iraqi Liberation, and your friends make money selling weapons. "Wow Dad, you sure are smart." "Dad what is an acronym?" Good question son; and acronym is like, well take Operation Iraqi Liberation, and take the first letter of each word and capitalize it, what does that spell? "Uh, the O from operation Dad, the I from Iraqi, and the L from liberation and O-I-L spells OIL Dad, OIL. " Very good son, now you know what an acronym is. Now son we have to hate the Jews too? "We have to hate the Jews, got it Dad. Dad, why do we hate the Jews?" Well son, they kilt Jesus. "Really Dad, the Jews kilt Jesus?" Yes son they did, and now we hate them.. "What was the name of the Jew who kilt Jesus Dad?" Well, there wasn’t just one Jew who kilt Jesus son, they all did. "How does that happen Dad?" Well son it just does. Don’t doubt anyone who teaches you of Jesus son. "Don’t doubt teachings of Jesus, got it Dad." "If someone kills a lower class black Dad ,and they are Christians, did all Christians kill lower class blacks?" Son, don’t get too smart now, that is not in the Christian Bible. "Does it say in the Christian Bible that all Jews kilt Jesus Dad." Yes son it does. "Where Dad?" I don’t know son, I don’t read the Bible, I listens to my preacher. "Oh, ok Dad don’t ask questions, listen to the preacher." Good son, Good. "DAd, I'm tired can we do this tomorrow." Sure son Sure.

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Now son, this is important. We now ..excuse me Dad, what does haggard mean. Oh, haggard means like my horse son, or your pony after a hard days ride, sometimes we say boy the horse looks like he was rode hard, and put away wet, that would define haggard son. Oh, ok pop, haggard means worn out. You got it son, Haggard is worn out. What does Foley mean Dad. Oh, well we had this Red State Senator called Foley who did some bad things, but it’s ok now, cause Karl Rogue took care of it, with a priest. I don’t understand Dad? Well Karl Rogue is in charge of the “Kansas City Shuffle son” and what that is, is he makes you look to the left while he does what he wants on the right. It comes from a movie about luck son. Oh, ok, Rogue is a Kansas City Shuffler. Right son, right. What else does he do Dad? Well son, he makes fun of people with funny chins, like Kerry. Who is Kerry Dad? Well son, Kerry is a man who messed up a joke, and Rogue was able to make him look worse than a Haggard Foley. That is the true beauty of the “Kansas City Shuffle” Oh, ok Dad, got it. Rogue is a true Beauty. Well son I wouldn’t…well ok yeah, leave it at that. Dad, what is a shotgun? Well son a shotgun is what rules. We rule cause we have and sell the most guns. Wow Dad really. Yes son really. How does a gun rule Dad. Well son, a recent story will make that clear. Shotgun Cheney recently shot his lawyer in the face. Wow Dad really? Yes son. Did he go to jail Dad? No son, men who are in power don’t go to jail, they are our fearless leaders. Like King Arthur dad, when he led his troops into Battle? No son, our fearless leaders don’t lead the troops into battle, they are much too important for that. Are they fearless Dad? Yes son, they have all kinds of protection to keep them fearless. Oh, ok he who is protected is fearless. Good son, Good. Anyway, Shotgun is so powerful, that he was able to get the guy to apologize to him on National T.V. for the stress he caused Shotgun and family for him being shot in the face. Wait Dad, the guy who was shot in the face apologized on National TV to the guy who shot him? Yes son, that is what we call a “Crap Shoot.” A crap shoot, got it Dad. Dad, I’m gettin tired, can we take a break. tonight. Sure son, sure. Remember son, we hate the red man, the black man, the j man and the m man; and some other letters too.. Who is all these other men Dad? I’ll tell you tomorrow son. Dad, I looked at the cross, and it looks like a sword. Why son, you are right, I never saw that before. Wow, that is where we get, “Onward Christian Soldiers, Marching to any War, with the Sword of Jesus, helping us get more.
Ned Laup

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What is it with people like Joe Lieberman, Wolfowitz, Perle and others?

I do not understand why it is that some Jewish people seem to come completely unhinged when it comes to Israel; certainly, by far, not every Jewish person, nor politician, worldwide, but enough to be flabbergasting to most rational people.

Suerly they are not so ignorant of fundy dogma and doctrine, as to believe all the clap trap about how they just love Israel and the Jewish people? As a matter of fact, any Jew that does not accept Jesus as their personal savior is doomed to an eternity of roasting and toasting in the fres of hell, according to the fundies. Only 144,000 Jewish people will be saved from eternal damnation, according to the same literalist, twisted interpretation of scripture.

Makes me wonder who is using whom. Still, I really cannot understand how this unholy alliance is helpful to any of them.

More than anything else, Lieberman is simply a spoiled, entitled little man. I was hoping we would not have to be seeing him in the Senate anymore.

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"We now have Iran.

It’s alleged [by the White House] to have a nuclear weapons program. And yet the International Atomic Energy Agency, the inspectors who have had full access to the sites in Iran, have come out and said, "Well, we can’t say that there isn’t a secret program that we don’t know about. What we can say, as a direct result of our investigations, there is no data whatsoever to sustain the Bush administration's claims that there is a nuclear weapons program."

(Ritter revealed in the public discussion with Hersh that Israeli intelligence has also been unable – despite considerable use of on-the-ground human intelligence and analysis of spy-satellite images – to find any indication that Iran does have a secret nuclear program.)

"And yet, the Bush administration once again is putting the onus on Iran, saying, 'It’s not up to the inspectors to find the nuclear weapons program. It’s up to the Iranians to prove that one doesn’t exist.'

Why do we go down this path?

Because you can’t prove a negative!

There’s nothing Iran can do that will satisfy the Bush administration, because the policy at the end of the day is not about nonproliferation, it’s not about disarmament.

It’s about regime change. And all the Bush administration wants to do is to create the conditions that support their ultimate objective of military intervention.

Read the 2006 version of the National Security Strategy, where Iran is named sixteen times as the number one threat to the national security of the United States of America, because in the same document, it embraces the notion of pre-emptive wars of aggression as a legitimate means of dealing with such threats.

Look, Bush has already said that he doesn’t want to leave Iran to the next president, that this is a problem he needs to solve now."

And why does Bush feel he needs to effect regime change in Iran? Because of pressure by the Likudniks, here and abroad.

"Israel has drawn a red line that says, not only will they not tolerate a nuclear weapons program in Iran, they will not tolerate anything dealing with nuclear energy, especially enrichment, that could be used in a nuclear program.

So, even if Iran is telling the truth – Iran says, 'We have no nuclear weapons program. We just want peaceful nuclear energy'– Israel says, 'So long as Iran has any enrichment capability, this constitutes a threat to Israel,' and they are pressuring the United States to take forceful action."

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Hope for the best...expect the worst. 2006 in the United Staes of America. It ain't over yet.

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about his silence on Pakistan being the biggest bastion of terror harbouring ! The couple used to live in CT but moved in a few years ago.

Here's a portion of the letter what LIEberman wrote back to him in response (early 2002) :

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Dear Sir:

I respect your personal concern about Pakistan being a potential threat but at this time, it is Iraq, not Pakistan, that possesses WMDs along with a brutal leader harbouring terrorism. Pakistan is our friend in the war against terrorism whereas Iraq has a connection with the 9/11 hijackers. We've already defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan and India and Pakistan are ready to cooperate on the nuclear standoff. India must continue to negotiate with Pakistan and not be quick to start a nuclear war with America's most trustworthy ally.

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It is ironic that the elections in Israel and the elections in the US will involve two similar political characters named Lieberman. The Lieberman of Israel is described by Uri Avnery as a man who, "advocates the expulsion of the Arab citizens from Israel. He threatened to destroy Egypt by blowing up the Aswan Dam. He demanded the execution of the Israeli Arab Knesset members for meeting with Syrian and Hamas leaders."

Joe Lieberman and his namesake are similar in that they are both blind faith right wing Zionists. Joe an eighteen year US Senator, lost the primary in the Democratic party to a neophyte, albeit a very rich neophyte, Primarily because of his goose stepping to the marching tune of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and supporting the war in Iraq. With the help of AIPAC and about eighteen million Dollars or more he is thumbing his nose at the party and may go back to the senate as an Independent.

One congressional staff person was quoted as saying, "We can count on well over half the house, 250, to 300 members, to do reflexively what ever AIPAC wants."


The Council Of National Interest Foundation (a Washington DC based organization that calls for a two-state solution in the Middle East) has released the following statement.

"A new poll commissioned by the Council for the National Interest Foundation shows that a significant number of Americans are wary of the power of the Israel lobby, and believe it is behind the invasion of Iraq and the current belligerent tone of the White House and Congress toward Iran.

The poll, which was carried out by Zogby International, reveals that 39% of the American public "agree" or "somewhat agree" that "the work of the Israel lobby on Congress and the Bush administration has been a key factor for going to war in Iraq and now confronting Iran." However, a similar number, 40%, "strongly disagreed" or "somewhat disagreed" with this position. Some 20% of the public, or more than one in five, were not sure.

The poll suggests that the espionage charges against two employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the publicity given to a new study of the power of the Israel lobby by two mainstream academic professors has had an affect on people's awareness of the lobby."

The problems in the US are not unlike those in Israel. There is an ever-growing divide between the have and the have-nots. Poverty in Israel and poverty in America are both reaching dangerous proportions and the two Liebermans will soon face the wrath and leaderless rage of the miss-lead, here-to-for powerless people. The above mentioned poll shows a beginning of a new awareness in the US.

Joe Lieberman may get elected. If he does he will emerge as the most powerful man in the US Senate; bigger than his own party that rejected him, and he will have an open door to the white house where he will be welcomed like a long lost son.

Perhaps he will even get another Kiss from G.W. Bush and return it, but on another part of the anatomy.

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It's high time the Christian Zionists stood firmly behind their Saviour's people (the Jews) and their nation (Israel) and help prevent the Muslim fundamentalists from ruining Israel. The Israelis who show far more compassion and understanding to their Arab neighbours (they are represented in the Knesset) than they do to them (not even recognised by Hamas) deserve support from all the democratic nations in the world including the Muslim ones. Without Judaism the Muslim religion would not even exist!
And Right or Left doesn't really matter, because all great democratic nations are a disparate group of tribes, who through consensus, agree to live under the one set of laws.
Opeluboy's analysis that Israel is arrogant, narcissistic, corrupt and beligerant could very well apply to any nation (including the USA) and is not very helpful.
The Christians may be waiting for a second coming, but the Jews are still waiting for a first coming and so religion is still obviously a very important part of many people's lives.
I don't care who (which religion) is right, as long as whoever comes along (in the form of a saviour) can easily prove the existence of a universal God with a set of understandable universal laws. And as a consequence they somehow miracuously manage to bring about everlasting peace to all nations on Earth. Amen.

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Caritas is a Roman Catholic relief agency with services in Palestine. They serve the oppressed Maronist Christians as well as other Israeli and Palestinians in war torn Palestine/Israel. It is a great relief from the dominant propaganda of Israel that is propounded by a descriminate US media. The Palestinian Christians are about 10% of the population there (45% in Lebanon). They have been oppressed the same as Moslem Palestinians and ended up in the same refugee camps and are caught up in the crossfire just as Moslem civilians. Example: http://www.caritas.org/Upload/C/CJ_JulAug06.pdf

Now is the time to get really motivated to cure the real ulcer in the Mideast- the theocracy of Israel and its alliance with the US plutocratic government. We must push the Democrats, unseat lukewarm Pelosi, repudiate Liebermann and Clinton and adopt an agenda of imposing (diplomatically) a peace on Israel/Palestine. The election was a repudiation of corporate domination and corruption of Congress and oil corporate war profiteering, not of the Administration per se.

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