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How Democrats Can Win Without the South

By Thomas Schaller, In These Times. Posted November 4, 2006.


The upcoming election guarantees gains for the Democrats. but they won't be coming from the South. It's time to whistle past Dixie.
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Poised to assume their respective posts atop new congressional Democratic majorities, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) can be forgiven a certain giddiness as the 2006 midterm elections approach. Pelosi recently told Time that establishment Democrats in Washington "can't even believe the fact that I'm going to become Speaker, but they're getting used to it." A bit more cautious but no less hopeful, Reid has noted that "history's on [the] side" of the minority party in a president's second midterm cycle.

To become the first female House Speaker, Pelosi will need to gain 15 seats. For Reid to become Senate majority leader, Democrats must net six new senators. A year ago, talk of an electoral upheaval of this sort was limited to the perfunctory cheerleading of Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), the men tasked with recruiting, training and electing Democrats to Congress.

Since then, however, the conventional wisdom has reversed. Most of the "political capital" President Bush claimed to have earned in his 2004 re-election was poured down the Iraqi money pit or squandered in a failed attempt to privatize Social Security. By August 2005, whatever political currency the Administration had left Hurricane Katrina promptly swept over the broken levees.

The pre-election consensus among political handicappers like Charlie Cook, Thomas Mann and Stu Rothenberg is that Democrats will flip the House, and have a decent shot of deadlocking the Senate and an outside chance of capturing it outright. To maintain control, even if narrowly, top Republicans are relying on district-by-district, state-by-state efforts as a local buffer against pervasive anti-Bush and anti-Republican sentiments nationally.

Whatever the magnitude of the coming changes, two things are certain: The Democrats are going to gain seats in the 2006 midterms, and those gains will come from outside the South.

Regionalized partisanship rises

The 1920 elections were a Democratic disaster. Dissatisfaction with Woodrow Wilson created an electoral avalanche that would be nearly impossible in today's era of highly gerrymandered districts and overwhelming incumbent advantages. Republicans picked up 10 new senators and 62 representatives, giving the GOP 61 of 98 Senate seats and a whopping House majority with 302 seats. The resulting 67th Congress mirrored the regional alignment of the two parties, with no Republican senators and just a handful of House members coming from the 11 states of the former Confederacy. Despite their chokehold on the South, the Democrats were a regionally confined party that found little support elsewhere in the country.

It was an era in American politics when presidential and congressional results aligned regionally in ways that have been decidedly misaligned since the collapse of the New Deal in the late '60s.

But regionalized partisanship is beginning to emerge anew. Republicans won every southern state in the past two presidential elections and now have 18 of the region's 22 senators and two-thirds of its House seats. In 2004, despite Bush's two-and-a-half-point defeat of John Kerry, outside the South the Democrats actually gained congressional seats in both chambers. That's right: If the five House seats produced by the re-redistricting of Texas orchestrated by former majority leader Tom DeLay and the five Senate pickups made possible by those southern Democratic retirements are held aside, the Democrats won the 2004 congressional elections.

Four-D Democrats

Today, the Democrats cannot swing enough seats in the near or medium term to invert the electoral maps of the late 19th and early 20th centuries--that is, to confine Republicans solely to their new, southern dominion. Nor would they want to: Democrats will never be shut out of the South the way Republicans once were because there will always be a certain number of districts in the South where African Americans and Hispanics make up the majority. What Democrats can do, however, is accelerate the regional transformation already underway in the quadrant of the northeastern and midwestern states formed by connecting Dover, New Hampshire, and Dover, Delaware, to the east, with Des Moines, Iowa, and Duluth, Minnesota, to the west.

Call it the "Four-D Rectangle."

The Cook Political Report publishes a partisan index that measures the House district-level performance of presidential candidates. Rising partisanship has shrunk the number of split districts, that is, districts that vote for Democratic presidential candidates but have a Republican member of Congress, or vice versa. Republicans currently represent 59 districts that either tilt Democratic or which Bush won by narrow margins, and 44 of these seats are located in the Four-D Rectangle.

Consider Connecticut. Although the Nutmeg State has already drawn plenty of attention for its bloody, intra-party squabble between Ned Lamont and Joe Lieberman in the Senate race, it is Connecticut's House steats that are more indicative of the electoral situation. This blue presidential state has only five House seats, three of which are represented by the sort of moderate, "Rockefeller Republicans" who once formed the backbone of the GOP: Nancy Johnson, Chris Shays and Rob Simmons.


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Thomas F. Schaller is associate professor of political science at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, and author of Whistling Past Dixie: How Democrats Can Win Without the South (Simon & Schuster).

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Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 4, 2006 12:26 AM   
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And then there is the nasty Rove squeezing the votes with his ugly tentacles.

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Ask yourself a question-
Posted by: Intraspecto on Nov 4, 2006 12:59 AM   
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Even if the Dems win, do you thik we are just going to pull out of Iraq overnight and end the GWOT? Also, do you really think they are going to put all those reforms forward into actions as they claim? I don't think so, and they are just as stagnant as the Republicans. Furthermore, would you vote for people whom would take a larger percentage of you tax money and then destroy your 2nd Amendment rights?
It would seem that they are no better than the right. We need new parties based upon the constitution and no not the constiution party (bunch of whackos) and law. These folks are in it for money, power, and control. We also need to limit congressional terms as well...

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The Demo party need no longer kowtow to southern racists?
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 4, 2006 3:09 AM   
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You had to live through it, as I did, to realize the extent to which the progressive possibilities of the Demo party were held back by its need to placate the race-baiting old south politicians.

Under Reagan they became the Boll Weevils, Demos in name only. Reagan's complicity with racist policies lured them to switch parties. Consequently, the Demo political base was shattered, as the long-term politicos from the south held powerful congressional positions because of their tenure.

But the Demo party was always handicapped by the good old boys. Now it can become the genuinely progressive generator of political problem-solving that the US so desperately needs.

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Wait till all of the e-machines coutn the vote
Posted by: mat38 on Nov 4, 2006 5:01 AM   
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Until the E-count is made and determines what most of us want, a Demcoratic avalanche, big or small, I have no hopes of ridding our nation of the most corrupt and sexually perverted Political force called Republicans and Evangelical Christians since the Ku Klux Klan back in the aerly 1900's.
Will it take a leader of the modern Klan movement to torture rape and cannabalize a young woman as it did in the 1920's to bring Americans to their senses and lead them away form the God Guns and totally Gay party? It's not surprising if it happens given that the news about their sexual perverstiy and corruption gets even stranger as each day dawns.
Maybe Jerry Falwell is a a baby sodomizer?

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» Defending Them? Hokay. Posted by: edith
I'd just settle for a Congress that is not Un-American
Posted by: DanYHKim on Nov 4, 2006 6:05 AM   
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While I would welcome a truly progressive leadership, at this point I would be happy to be rid of the fascists. It might be that the game has gotten so bad that the Democrats should take a fall-back position on restoring democracy. To pursue traditional progressive aims at this time would unduly dilute from the critical danger our country is in.

Should balance be restored next week, the fundamentals will take up plenty of attention and resources.

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Tempting but Dangerous
Posted by: Urstrly on Nov 4, 2006 6:18 AM   
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Democrats should never forget that there is still a large contingent of Southerners who are poor and often people of color. To simply abandon them to the Republicans is a mistake. After all, we still have the voting rights act and other measures to secure the black vote (although GA's ID provision comes close to threatening that). Now that Mexican immigrants have flooded into the South to take its non-union jobs, Republicans play it both ways: they hire the immigrants over locals and then blame them for being illegal and deny them services. John Edwards, at least, understands this, but we need to encourage more Southern Democrats to be bold rather than turn our backs.

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» RE: Tempting but Dangerous Posted by: Elmowilcox
decent folks in the south forgotten once again...
Posted by: xenacat on Nov 4, 2006 6:53 AM   
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The southern dems who aren't religous nuts or foaming-at -mouth racists (and there a more than three of them around, I swear!) are once again being pushed onto the political scrape heap. The national Dems would do well to understand the rage at the carpetbagging repubs who refused to rebuild New Orleans and who have raped Texas with their gerrymandering ways....a progressive vote is a progressive vote no matter what part of the country it comes from. keep that in mind - John Edwards certianly has.

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What about Dean's "50-State Strategy?"
Posted by: soulfulnotes on Nov 4, 2006 7:10 AM   
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I live in Utah, which is almost like a southern state nestled in the middle of the west. Almost all of my friends are liberal/progressive. The demographics of SLC proper are progressive. Our mayor, Rocky Anderson, is one of the most progressive in the nation.

When I hear talk like this, it worries me. What seems to being said here is: "Let's forget about progressives in deep red states." We give money. We blog. We e-mail. We stay informed. We demonstrate. We protest. We make a significant and needed contribution to the progressive movement.

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The Election Farce
Posted by: rwa on Nov 4, 2006 7:21 AM   
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By David Pérez

Scene One: a series of heinous crimes are being committed in front of your eyes. You have the power to stop them but you don’t. The crimes result in rape, torture and murder. Still you do nothing. Later you lament how tragic it all was.

Scene Two: years later, you remind people how awful the crimes were, neglecting, of course, to mention your complicity through inaction – and in some instances, how you actually approved the barbarisms. But you’re confident that people will be on your side anyway, enough at least to let you keep your job. And you’re probably right.

These scenarios are being played out in that insidious farce called the U.S. elections. The witness/accomplice in the crimes is the Democratic Party, specifically the 205 U.S. Representatives, 44 U.S. Senators, and 22 U.S. Governors, who could have stopped the Bush Administration’s barbarous war on Iraq at any time. They could have shut down Congress and State Legislatures, refused to conduct business-as-usual, gone in masse to the battlefields and refused to leave until the bombs stopped, called on the citizenry to take to the street or go on strike, and a host of other actions. Collectively, these Democratic Party officials wield enormous power and influence, with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of resources. Yet they did nothing, except for an occasional feeble protest.

Why do progressive people still vote for a party that can’t even defend them from attack? Not in the mythic future, but right now when it counts? Or yesterday when it counted more?

Make no mistake. The only reason the Democratic Party is against the fiasco in Iraq is because the U.S. is losing the war. It’s all about “bad planning,” or “bad timing,” or whatever. If Bush and Co. had easily subjugated the nation and controlled the oil fields, the entire U.S. ruling class and their paid politicians would be joyous.

And it’s not just the genocidal war against Iraq that the Democratic Party is equally complicit in. They still support the continuing occupation in Afghanistan, and almost unanimously sanctioned Israel’s bombing of Lebanon. They approved and let pass the Patriot Act and the recent Military Commissions Act, which, among other outrages, gives the presidency the power to imprison and torture citizens and non-citizens without charges.

No, the Democratic Party is part of the problem. A vote for them is a vote for imperialist take-over, even if a less maniacal version. As Jeremy Scahill wrote in an excellent article in Common Dreams (11/18/2005), “As disingenuous as the Administrations claims that Iraq had WMDs is the flimsy claim by Democratic lawmakers that they were duped into voting for the war. The fact is that Iraq posed no threat to the United Sates in 2003 any more than it did in 1998 when President Clinton bombed Iraq.” It was the Clinton regime that in 1998 signed the “Iraq Liberation Act,” which codified the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and the subsequent invasion.

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Democrats Also Need To Stop Bowing and Scraping To Their Corporate Masters
Posted by: Douglas on Nov 4, 2006 7:32 AM   
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It is good news that Democrats can win majorities in congress without the southern vote and no longer need to cozy up to southern racists. Until they stop cozying up to the corporate interests and the military-industrial-complex that financed their campaigns, however, they are no more likely than the Republicans to enact programs that will make a positive difference in the lives of ordinary Americans.

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Democrats cannot win without the South !!! Don't forget James Webb !!!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 4, 2006 7:41 AM   
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He's running for Senate here in VA and he's fighting to win and even establishment Democrats up in the North are giving him a boost. DON'T WRITE OFF THE SOUTH !!! Gore and Kerry did it and they LOST, save maybe FL which is another story.

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Whistling Past The Graveyard
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 4, 2006 7:48 AM   
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This is the most lame brained bunch of nonsense I have heard in a long while. It denies the realities of our nation's growth and near-term demographics. The nation's population is moving south and west, more southern than western, and ignoring this fact will not serve the progressive cause in the future.

The fastest growing states by raw numbers (not percentage) are in the southern US, both by birthrate and migration. The outflow from the rust belt and northeast almost exactly matches the net migration to the south. Before long Florida will pass New York to become the nation's 3rd most populous state, and both Georgia & North Carolina will pass New Jersey & Michigan before the 2010 census. Along with these population gains come seats in the house and electoral votes.

The next 20-30 years will see a steady erosion of electoral power as the sunbelt continues to gain in both population and Congressional representation even as the rust belt and northeast lose house seats and electoral votes. The future is not in the geographic box the author proposes- it is in recapturing the south.

As people migrate to the south from the rest of the country Democrats can reinvigorate the party there and move it to a more progressive stance. The 50-state policy Howard Dean has been advocating makes sense as it acknowledges this very fact. If the Democrats write off the south they will cease to be a major national political force within one generation. Embrace the south or cease to be relevant.

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By the way, the south always gets a bad rap
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 4, 2006 7:58 AM   
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If you really think the North is all that great, then why are places such as Kansas and rural IL heavily red? Or try winning some Democrats in eastern Washington, eastern Oregon, or even Idaho or Wyoming. Very few there though I must say most of them I hear have taken genuine populism seriously and have earned a better reputation with the voters compared to most National "Democrats". Or what about red areas in even the supposedly bluest states CA, NY, and most of the northeastern states? Plenty of rural red areas there. And try making the Dakotas blue. Sure, there are Democrats in the House and Senate from those states so nothing new but no blue victories there on the presidential level. I've visited the rural North and especially in swing states such as PA, OH, WI, etc ... are those who are "conservative" are even more staunch about it than down south where there's at least some room for openness though most readers on this site wouldn't know it. The last thing Alternet has to stoop to is posting another write-it-off article telling Democrats to go tippy-toe AGAIN ?!?!? The Democrats have already written off the south in past elections first by moving to the "right" and then being even more ignorant about the plight. Back here in VA, at least some Democrats thought differently and understood the real plight and even if they have a long ways to go at least they're not so ignorant about it.

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The South has for a long time gained EVs at the expense of the North. Even SD had 5 EVs 92 yrs ago !
Posted by: SDres11 on Nov 4, 2006 9:03 AM   
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For all the idiots who think that writing off the south is a great idea, here's proof of the trend that shows that the South CANNOT be written off.

The Electoral College map in 1912

The Electoral College map in 2008

It's bad enough that Democrats have to write the midwest off and push it into rottenbelt status as if rustbelt weren't bad enough !

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Ridiculous!! Stop standing against the South.
Posted by: harpy on Nov 4, 2006 9:27 AM   
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Why do you (obviously) smug, self-important Northerners insist on denigrating and throwing away the Democrat voters in the South? Don't you people have a clue yet that your arrogance and elitist dismissal of the South as a bunch of red-neck crackers that will always be Republican is the reason YOU'RE LOSING US!!! We're tired of being treated like racist, ignorant wingnuts that don't have a clue. If anything it's the Democratic party that abandoned us long ago. The reason that the formerly, not so long ago, Democratic South was lost to the Repugnicans is because of the attitude that the national Democratic party has taken concerning Southerners!! YOU CANNOT WIN WITHOUT THE SOUTH!!! PERIOD. END OF STORY. Don't you realize the reason born-in-the Northeast -Dubya took up residence in Texas was to appear Southern? The last real President was a SOUTHERNER!!!

The people of the South are for the most part good, decent people, but when we get pushed down, we generally push back. We CAN read, so we know that many of you don't really have a clue, nor have you taken the time to even talk to us or understand us. If Al Gore, a native Tennessean, had taken the time to base his campaign and spend time in Tennessee when he was running, voters would not have turned their backs on him. If the Tennessee vote had been sought after, there would not have been a chance to steal the election via Florida.

Southerners want the same thing everybody else in the country does, decent wages, health care, real security and privacy in our homes and lives. Most of us are not wing nuts, but we don't take too kindly to being constantly judged and ridiculed. Till you "separatists" figure that out, and hold out your hand instead of shoving us away, you can never unite this country.

Just an hour and a half ago, I left a Harold Ford breakfast that was attended by a standing room only crowd. The program started at 8AM. I'm usually not even up on a Saturday at 8, let alone at a political rally, this same sentiment was echoed by many who attended, as he is a promising force. This is one of the reddest districts in Tennessee, but people all across the age, class, gender, and yes, skin-color are standing together and demanding change. When is the rest of the country gonna grow up and stand with us instead of against us.

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Blue States of America
Posted by: jmooney on Nov 4, 2006 9:51 AM   
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Is is just me or am I noticing that the states that the Dems need to stitch together to have power in the Unites States seem to follow an arc that would probably be the United States had the southern states sucessfully seceeded in the 1860s?

Although it probably won't happen anytime soon, it is interesting to consider what a blue state government might look like loosened from the grip of southern hegemony: less bureacratic, more responsive, less imperialistic, and more united. Simply put, we'd have a lean, not-so-mean, governmental machine.

Again, it isn't about to happen, but when one considers how quickly the Soviet Union fell, nothing is truly impossible. And now that we thankfully no longer have the slavery issue roiling the situation, a separation would be much cleaner than perhaps would have been the case in the 1860s.

Just something to chew on.

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Voting is a joke that makes no difference!
Posted by: hot_rad_man on Nov 4, 2006 10:22 AM   
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The puppet speaks, the strings are pulled, you hear what you want, and then it's all a big lie and the devil comes out of the closet. Every politician is managed by money. If you think your vote counts, you do not know the score of what is happening in America. It has been sold to the highest bidder and that bidder is big money!

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Is Schaller Rahm Emanuel's brother-in-law?
Posted by: JackieGiles on Nov 4, 2006 10:38 AM   
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This sounds like a thinly disguised effort to justify Rahm Emanuel's tantrum in DNC Chair Howard Dean's office when, last May, Dean refused to throw money contributed to the DNC by people like ME into the hand-picked states that Emanuel wanted to target. Dean's 50 State Strategy to rebuild the Democratic Party in states that had been abandoned to the Republicans for years IS WORKING.

Last night on the PBS News With Jim Lehrer, Mark Shields gave Dean's 50 State Strategy credit for Democratic threats to Republican house and senate seats thought to be "safe". You can't win if you don't show up.

Emanuel, longtime Clinton operative, wants to seize control of the Democratic Party to help Hillary Clinton get the presidential nomination in 2008. Dean has broad and deep support from the "red" state Democratic leaders who want their people's voices heard.

The political climate is gradually changing in the "South". It won't be transformed overnight, but that is no reason to abandon the fight to rebuild and reform the Democratic Party. The party of diehard bigots in the South is the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is the voice of the unemployed poor, the underpaid and exploited working poor and the disenfranchised. Howard Dean deserves enormous credit for his foresight and refusal to cave in to the likes of Emanuel and the DLC Republican-Lite cabal who think the way to "beat" the GOP is to "be" the GOP.

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We don't have to ababdon anybody!
Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Nov 4, 2006 12:58 PM   
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Recent elections have shown that progressives can win in some very red places. . .IF they focus on issues of ECONONIMIC JUSTICE, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, and FAIRNESS FOR ALL! Get candidates who are passionate about these things, who speak about them with real moral conviction, and they win. . .period. It doesn't matter what church they do or don't go to, what stands they take on "hot button" issues, if they connect with ordinary people about bread and butter they can and do win.

It's not necessary to abandon the south, or any place (as Howard Dean is showing us). I hope that Dean's strategy pays off and that the ass-kissing DLC DINOs like Rahm Emmanuel et al are totally discredited (as they should have been two or three election cycles ago!)

When nobody is left behind, when we can get our s*** together and flex our real muscles, the GOP (Greedy Oligarchic Perverts) will return to its true status as a miserable little minority party that represents no one.

Oh, and by the way, JOHN EDWARDS IN 2008!!!!!!!!!

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» Why Not? Posted by: edith
Well Hell's bells...
Posted by: xenacat on Nov 4, 2006 1:13 PM   
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After reading some of these comments, I now truly have hope. It surely does look like the South is gonna rise up and crush the North. At least in terms of the unwarranted abuse we get heaped upon us. 'Bout time we stop the redneck/cracker streotype dead in its tracks and get on with the business of running the country in a respectable manner. That is something those Bushies have failed to do...never forgot that fine old New England family moved to Texas to exploit the hell out of it...

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» Damn straight Posted by: Elmowilcox
For the record ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Nov 4, 2006 2:38 PM   
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Schaller (who's a colleague of mine at the Gadflyer and who struck me as a nice guy in our limited contacts) is not suggesting the Dems abandon anybody, he's not a critic of Dean's 50-state strategy and he doesn't believe that Southerners are a bunch of brain-dead racist hicks (like CryOfan does).

He's simply challenging the conventional wisdom held by many Democrats that the national party has to move ever further to the right in order to win the most conservative states in the country (outside of Alaska, which is fiercely libertarian rather than socially conservative).

Schaller's a numbers-cruncher -- a bean-counter -- and his argument is what you'd expect: based on demographics and electoral trends. It's not primarily a cultural argument.

So, unless you think it's a good thing that so many Dems think they have to bend over backwards to pull in conservative states, cut the guy some slack.

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Two-fer
Posted by: the republic on Nov 4, 2006 2:55 PM   
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I am a lifelong Southerner, and I'll offer you a two-fer, free of charge.

Purge DLC centrists like Rahm from power and create a real wedge in Red States. A win-win.

Fundies are gonna vote abortion and gays until the Rapture, but they are not the majority.

Since Clinton decided to govern as a Rockerfeller Republican, working class Southerners that aren't fundies figure since Dems don't have their back economy-wise, they might as well vote guns, or not at all.

Put some populist cadidates in the right places and they'll do well in the South.

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Dumb
Posted by: the republic on Nov 4, 2006 2:57 PM   
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And oh by the way, running this story three days before a crucial election that will be decided at the margins - how smart do you reckon that was?

It will piss off every Southerner who reads it.

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» Some people like being pissed off ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Find out how the Democratic Party stands on Iraq
Posted by: autonomie on Nov 4, 2006 4:27 PM   
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I can understand calls to vote Republicans out of office. I agree with them 100%. There's one unfortunate thing, though, that the Democrats aren't any different on Iraq.

Don't believe me? Have a look at these Iraq war votes. You'll see Democrats voting exactly the same way as the repugs. The sad truth is that the Dems don't want the war to end.

Under the circumstances, I think it would be a very positive change for the GOP to lose its control over government. However, since the Dems don't really want to end the war either, we shouldn't be satisified with only a Democratic Party win on election day.

Let's focus on ending war altogether, once and for all.

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Now I'm no Karl Rove
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Nov 4, 2006 4:51 PM   
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but as far as strategies go win trying to win a majority of anything, choosing the path of least resistance means that you end up giving up some crucial portions that have to be fought for. If the elections up north will be "easy" to win it's because the other candidate doesn't stand much chance, so why focus on gimmes when you could rake in some serious seats down south with a little effort and organization?

All your base are belong to us.

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Yeah, well, maybe
Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 4, 2006 7:31 PM   
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I am cautiously optimistic that the nation has awaken from its deep sleep, at least enough to jerk the chain on the gang of thieves, thugs, and whores currently residing in the White House and in control of Congress.
However, I remember Ohio in '04 and Florida in 2000. Faced with the result of a Democratic shift in power; the investigations, subpoenas, the uncovering of the crimes, Cheney and Rove and their operatives are capable of anything. New electronic voting machines are being used in many places.
If they steal this one, .......

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Bad strategy
Posted by: Vyking on Nov 5, 2006 10:03 AM   
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It's like it didn't even occur to the author that a lot of the southern Republican victories are the result of extensive gerrymandering instead of some sort of universally held set of quasi-conservative principles. I live in Minnesota, and I can assure you that the South does not have a monopoly on Congressional candidates or registered voters that embody all the "racist, fundy, nutjob" stereotypes the author suggests are the sole province of the South. Google Michelle Bachmann is you don't believe me. Rick Santorum is one of the most loony candidates out there, and the last I heard, he wasn't a southerner.

Also, if the Dems gain control of Congress, I would hate to see them rule like the Republicans have by completely ignoring an entire swath of their constituency. The problems of the south are the same as the problems faced by the north. We are a nation united, and our fortune will rise or fall collectively. Democrats speak about the south as if it were just a demographic, or a strategy or a battle or some other abstract notion, but it's not. The South is about its people, their lives, their goals, their problems, and whether Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, or Little Green Martians hold the majority in Congress, they need to govern as if the problems of the ENTIRE nation matter, because the do.

Northerners and Southerners are friends. We share far, far too much in common to dismiss each other so lightly.

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Vote Peace
Posted by: rwa on Nov 5, 2006 12:23 PM   
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It makes little sense that well-qualified anti-war Green Party Senate candidates in states like Wisconsin, New York and California – where pro-war incumbent Democrats are projected to win by a huge majority – have failed to get much popular support. A strong showing by the Green nominees would send a powerful and badly-needed message to Washington without jeopardizing a Democratic victory.

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"Marriage" initiative on the VA ballot BACKFIRING against "conservatives" ! Webb for Senate !
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 5, 2006 2:38 PM   
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Mr Arkadin
Posted by: Mr Arkadin on Nov 5, 2006 7:52 PM   
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I grant you that it is nitpicking. Yet when Mr Schaller says that in the election of 1920, "Republicans picked up 10 new senators and 62 representatives, giving the GOP 61 of 98 Senate seats and a whopping House majority with 302 seats," it doesn't add up. There were 48 states in 1920, so there should have been 96 Senators. Where did the other two come from?
When I was getting my doctorate in French History, I was about 30 years older than most of my fellow grad students. They used to say things like, "Anybody can get the facts, it's what you do with them that matters."
I would always take issue with that kind of statement. Getting the facts is never easy, and what you do with facts that are incorrect or incomplete is not worth doing. Getting the facts is the whole point of studying history.
When you use history to support your argument, it undercuts the force of it to get it wrong.

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Forget the South? Don't be stupid.
Posted by: OleMissBoy on Nov 6, 2006 9:11 AM   
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I'm from Mississippi and have been a Dem almost my entire life. It would be foolish for the Democrats to abandon the South. We need to abandon our old way of campaigning, but not the entire region. Focus on issues like the minimum wage, corporate abuses, and the ridiculous wealth of the Republican leadership and people will come around. The problem for Democrats in the South is that Southerners hate snobby elitists that run the media who have never done a hard day's labor in their life and think they're better than the common man . "Ahh! But that isn't true, that's not who we are!", you are probably thinking. I know it isn't but that's what the South is led to believe. We need to change this and then we can change the region.

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Elitist Northernism
Posted by: dbatterman on Nov 6, 2006 10:55 AM   
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This might seem redundant, but my two cents, thusly:
It is terribly unfair that the rest of the country, especially the "up-East-ers" tend to think of the South as a solid block of ignorant Republican crackers. Anyone who holds this opinion should come and visit Atlanta, or Asheville, or half a dozen other towns across the Southeast that are liberal to the core. It's insulting to be disregarded so.
Conservativeism isn't limited to the South, it is widespread across the nation, as are more Progressive lines of thought. When we generalize whole swaths of the country, whatever our motivations, we use the same playbook the Repubs use when they talk about "Degenerate Hollywood" or "Pelosi/San Francisco Values."

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The real divide isn't North vs South
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 7, 2006 7:23 AM   
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It's urban vs rural. Rural voters tend to be knee-jerk reactionary, xenophobic, racist, uninformed, poorly educated (by their own design). This has been true since the founding of the republic.

Also note that they're grossly over-represented in the halls of government.

Take a good, hard look at those red states and you'll see empty space thinly populated by over-represented rural folk.

You might also consider why Republican insiders are so contemptuous of their religious base-- who tend to have a grade school education and live outside the cities.

If our constitution finally goes down, we'll be looking at the "conservative" constitution drawn up by a group headed by Nixon-appointed Supreme Court justice Warren Burger. This consitution explicitly targeted over representation of empty space, our own version of the British "rotten borough" system.

The older Warren court may have saved our system for a few more years by eliminating the "trees can vote" gerrymandering of state houses that nearly wrecked state governments in the 1950s and 60s.

Dibold and the coming Great Depression will do wonders for straightening out this mess.

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Sounds like a Civil War is breaking out
Posted by: shampnois on Nov 9, 2006 6:06 AM   
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Comments are dividing along the Mason/Dixon line. Or along rural/city boundaries. But it's all a bunch of cartoonish hogwash. One cartoon throwing bombs at another cartoon. I'll stop making cartoons of you if you stop making cartoons of me. North/south, rural/city divisions probably exist in thinking patterns but they're awfully hard to define. And almost anyone can be caught thinking stupidly from one minute to the next. Things are really all that clearly different from one region to another. Here in Upstate New York, it's what some might call redneck. Rural, right-wing and demonizes New York City with as much vigor as many do from more distant states. Who would know that, if all you hear is northern or New York stereotyping? And the same is even more true for people in the south. We're thinking too much like those money-addled marketers or demographers (now, see, I'm doing it), with all their silly little labels for different brands of people. If we really want to change then we have to start looking at each other with respect, not as cartoons.

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