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The Sexist Backlash Against the Dixie Chicks
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The story of what happened to the band after lead vocalist Natalie Maines’ fateful comment -- “just so you know, we're ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas†-- is the subject of Shut Up and Sing, the latest documentary from Barbara Kopple and co-director Cecilia Peck. To tell their story, the band made sure their experience would be treated seriously by teaming up with Kopple, whose films include the Oscar-winning Harlan County USA (striking coal miners in Kentucky) and Bearing Witness (women war correspondents in Iraq). On her part, Kopple was drawn to a story that, she says, has “become the center of a larger political debate. Their personal transformation in so many ways has come to represent the political climate we have in the U.S. right now.â€
The Dixie Chicks were country music superstars in 2003 and the best selling women’s band ever. Having been named entertainers of the year by the Academy of Country Music two years before, their Top of the World tour sold out $49 million worth of tickets in one day, and they won eight Grammies including the 2003 best country album. But once Maines’ comment became known, and when the band refused to back down, the country community quickly turned against them.
Did the Dixie Chicks pay a higher price for speaking out because they were women? Kopple believes women get into trouble for speaking their minds when the expectation is that “men are the ones to speak out, to take a stand, and a woman’s role is to stand with her man. I think these ideas still permeate our culture.†Apparently to the country music world, seeming unpatriotic in a time of war is a far worse sin than being a convicted wife batterer like Tracy Lawrence, who has been able to rehabilitate himself with his fans.
The least discussed piece of this story is how the continuing consolidation of media into the hands of a few large corporations created a situation that allowed the Dixie Chicks to be literally erased from the airwaves. “Travelin’ Soldier†was the number one single when it was removed from playing rotation. Cumulus Media, a consortium of 306 radio stations, told their affiliates not to play the Chicks' music. Several disc jockeys who broke the ban were fired according to press reports. First denying there was a blacklist against the band, Cumulus CEO Lewis Dickey was forced to admit the truth during a Senate Commerce Committee hearing on July 8, 2003.Commenting on the dangerous effect of media consolidation, with enormous power and influence falling into very few hands, Kopple says, “too often those hands are attached to men more interested in the bottom line and blind ‘patriotism’ than creativity, risk-taking and progress.â€
The hate pouring onto these women was clearly sexist. Fans trashed their cds. At arenas, protestors’ signs and slogans ranged from the ugly to the ridiculous -- “strap her to a bomb and drop her over Baghdad†and “try the chicks for treason†to “free speech is ok except in public.†Kopple points out an irony: “Women’s voices are often considered dangerous. Ours are often the voices of change, of peace, of moderation, and of forgiveness.â€
While shut off from their country fan base, the Dixie Chicks were propelled into a completely different musical and political universe. On the cover of Entertainment Weekly and interviewed by Diane Sawyer, the band was introduced to an audience that fell in love with the music and the message. The recording of their new “comeback†album is highlighted throughout the film. Recording it and writing their own songs for the first time functioned as a catharsis for the hell they went through. Their dismay with the country world is clear in the first single, “Not Ready to Make Nice,†an anthem of unrepentant anger.
Theirs is the best sort of feminist story: all about what happens when women stand up for what they believe in. At the end of the documentary, Kopple shows the Dixie Chicks returning to the arena in London where the controversy began. Maines restates her comment, this time with a big smile on her face. Kopple got to know her subjects well while following them around for over a year. “I think, more than anything,†she says, “their experience has highlighted that -- although the cost of speaking your mind and being yourself can be high -- the cost of being silenced is much higher.â€
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 3, 2006 12:17 AM
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I am also an 8-year veteran of the US Army. Although I had the good fortune of serving during a period when we were not being shot at, the free speech they exercised was part of what I joined to defend, if necessary. All the Chicks did was use one of the liberties/rights that all Americans enjoy. Nothing more and nothing less.
Nat did nothing but express her feelings and the truth that was all too rare in the rah-rah run-up to the invasion of Iraq. History has shown the Dixie Chicks to not only have been brave, but right. Good for them.
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Posted by: edith on Nov 3, 2006 1:07 AM
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So the Dixie Chicks are really more like country rock folk rebel Steve Earle who likewise has had trouble with major Nashville labels. Earle I believe produces his records on his own label and has moderate success. He plays at many primary clubs around the nation(I heard him last Spring and he's great even when I thought a small number of songs were too 'preachy"0. You also can often catch Earleat "roots" and jamband oriented festivals. His antiwar rhetoric and antideath penalty rhetoric isheard clearly in his recent songs and in his remarks to audiences.
So, I don't think it's a sexist boycott so much as political dissent gets artists in trouble(an old story going back at least to Woody Guthrie). Johnny Cash held unconventional political views and adhered to a basic country blues style as does Willie Nelson. While both were rich and famous, neither made the bucks of a George Strait, Alan Jackson or Tim McGraw/Faith Hill.
Willie Nelson's "Outlaw" movement in the 70's recognized the conservatism of conventional country music, both in musical style and in political activism. Only Johnny's and his wife's recent deaths and the success of a biopic got his music back to occasional play on mainstream radio. He had been on a small but well produced label for years and his recent, highly acclaimed output prior to his passing did not sell in the millions. He didn't care.
The Dixie Chicks are doing fine and they do get radio play on country stations, albeit not as much as they would preBush.
"Country" music is a broad name like pop music that encompasses a variety of styles, locales and influences. Nashville as a symbolic location for country producition likewise is ambiguous; except for true independent labels like Earle's, the same LA based companies like Sony and BMG produce country. Media conglomeration homogenizes much but not all country music.
To the extent the Chicks have been hurt by their politics, it is the reaction of conglomerate owned radio stations and music labels more than sexism per se. But with the Internet, satellite TV, and ipod downloads, routes around the corporate roadblocks should keep the Chicks chirping for quite a while.
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Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 3, 2006 3:35 AM
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Posted by: littlebozo on Nov 3, 2006 5:19 AM
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Respectfully,
Don Sherwood, R- PA
OK, I'm sure I didn't fool anyone. God bless the Dixie Chicks, they are another reason why I love my country.
And why we're taking it back.
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Posted by: charlief on Nov 3, 2006 6:39 AM
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There might be exceptions, Billy Bragg, Steve Earle currently [but they ain't young]. There were however, many, many 'angry' bands from the 70s & 80s in Europe [The Clash, Elvis Costello, The Jam, Tom Robinson Band, Gang Of Four, Steel Pulse, The Ruts, Generation X, Manic Street Preachers, Heaven 17, Les Negresses Verte, Mano Negra and others. But now?
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Posted by: SaraJames on Nov 3, 2006 6:45 AM
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Interestingly, after Hurricane Katrina, Kanye West said something really stupid on the air - "George Bush doesn't like black people." He maligned the character of the president and slandered him -- this statement was far worse than Natalie's statement years earlier, yet the media whooped it up and the guy ended up on the cover of magazines! In one picture he even dressed himself up as Jesus from the crucifixion. Terrifying. It wasn't okay for him to say that and yet people accepted it. Why? I won't ever buy his stuff.
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Posted by: champion on Nov 3, 2006 7:11 AM
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still able to say something critical without being persecuted?
So what, The Dixie Chicks said, "just so you know, we're
ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas."
Big, fuckin' deal! What about DUHbya making fun of not
finding WMD's in 2004 while showing pictures of himself
looking for them in the White House.
Where was the crticism about that? What that fraudulent
president said was many times worse. Did hundreds of
thousands of innocent people die because of what the Dixie
Chicks said, HELL NO!
But that many, and more will die because of the lies, distor-
tions, and spin coming from the Bush cabal and the main-
stream, right-wing media, who worship these criminals.
The people that do speak out about the cabal, whether they
are celebrities or not, is what democracy is all about. These
dictatorial bastards, led by DUHbya (not really, he's a puppet
like the rest of them), want nothing more than to silence all
criticism about them and what they're doing.
People, we NEED voices critical of government and their po-
licies. NEVER, EVER trust government and always have
doubts about what they say and do. Silence and doing the
bidding of the leaders is what the people of Germany did
with the Nazis. And look where that got them.
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Posted by: TMB on Nov 3, 2006 8:12 AM
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Posted by: Andy Lang on Nov 3, 2006 8:15 AM
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Like Cheney who got five deferments to keep out of Vietnam, (the last when he got his wife pregnant as the day before they had changed the rules to draft married men with no children), or President Bush who got his dad to get him into the Texas National Guard, where presumably he defended the Texas borders from Viet Cong incursions--and that was before he decided not to take that drug test, you know the one that detects cocaine abuse.
Well--guess what?
President Clinton has said recently that the GOP is all about the concentration of power and wealth--but eventually the people do catch on, and on Tuesday a powerful message is going to be delivered, strong, clear and unmistakeable.
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Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Nov 3, 2006 9:23 AM
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But the ONE UNFORGIVEABLE gaffe of that era: Hanoi Jane doing People's Revolutionary Pin Up, sitting on the anti-aircraft gun. (That shot was as close to Cheesecake art as the North Vietnamese fighting man was ever going to be allowed to see.)
Long after the SDS the SLA, Rudd, Kupferberg faded from memory ... Baez and Dylan become mastream songsters again ... Peter Seeger morphed into the grand old man of Pure Water and humane sentiments. THEY STILL HATE JANE. Noone holds a grudge for Peter Fonda's EASY RIDER ... or Christopher Jones' WILD IN THE STREETS. Who even remembers Benjamin Spock, (not the actor with the ears) or is able to name BOTH Berrigan Brothers.
Hell, they even forgave Johny Cash for being a honkey tonk doper and Charlie Pride for Singing While Black at the Grand Ole Opry.
BUT -- they're still selling "Spank Jane Fonda" t-shirts and zippo lighters in the Sportsman's Guide catalog of deer hunters' accesssories.
Why ? Well, on top of getting a lot of attention at the time for being Hank Fonda's daughter, and a box-office property in her own right (who WAS Leon Bibb, anyway) Fonda was ONE HOT BABE!! More semen was spilt over Fonda's Barberella posters than any one except maybe Bo Derrick's '10' and famous Farrah Faucett number which I cannot now remember.
Yeah, those manly men with gunracks in their condederate flag bedecked pickup trucks (well, now they're SUVs, with Heritage not Hate bumper stickers) have certain notions of female virtue and place in the world.
Ask a self styled Cowboy what 'Evil' means he'll give you 3 examples right off the cuff:
1) rattlesnakes
2) prairie dog holes
3) mouthy women
After a few minutes reflection his mind may turn to mass-murderers, child rapists and the Anti-Christ ...
Now, does this mean that these guys are 'sexist' ... ??
Only a loud mouth feminazi bitch would say say that !
(Now, lemmie tellya about that c-nt wh-re ex-wife of mine and her f*ing order of protection!)
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 3, 2006 12:12 PM
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Dixie Chicks-
Neil Young-
Who else?
I need to buy some new anti-war- political CD's
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Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Nov 3, 2006 12:39 PM
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Do the wives of Skilling, Lay, Fastout and Cunningham live in denial, or just public denial? Do they privately admit that 'he certainly is a crook, but look at my jewelry'? Do some of them say 'You run along and screw the world, honey, and bring home another big fat check'?
There are a lot more women I'd like to hear from, if we could hear what they really think. Some people claim that women are naturally more compassionate and fair-minded. If that were the case, surely a lot of these high-profile scum would undergo divorce proceedings and public airing of dirty laundry.
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Posted by: Jammer2 on Nov 3, 2006 2:23 PM
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So I think I'll start it off... If I decide tomorrow morning that I want to become a drug abusing homosexual pedophile and force feed my personal interpretation of the law in this country, then I know what I must do. I'll become a hand waving evangelical television minister (or politician) heading up my own church so that I can operate in my perverted shadow world without fear of retaliation. I'll only deal with people that are empty headed enough to shell out millions of dollars to me so that I can continue to pursue my erotic passions. If my secret is ever discovered, I can always scare the hell out my dim-witted congregation, taking their mind off the real problem, by warning them that the Democrats and the terrorists trying to kill them and their way of life. It is a champion of an idea that appears to work in so very well in America today. I'll have it made for life, and the people that supported me will never put it together that they have been had by a traveling carnival side show Carney who saw them coming a mile away. Ain't life grand?
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Posted by: ryyath@inbox.com on Nov 3, 2006 8:58 PM
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We must unite if we wish to prevail against the horror that the Republican Party now embodies. Do not think for a second that the same horror could never come of feminism or any other political or social movement, no matter how well meaning it may start out.
If we wish to grow and continue to evolve as a nation, as well as a species we must put these sexist outlooks behind us. May all of the noble PEOPLE who have sacrificed be recognized and applauded for their contributions.
Thank you one and all. VIVA LA REPUBLICA!!!! VIVA LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS!!!
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I admire the dixie chicks for their stance very much, but to say that they suffered more because they were women is stupid and sexist in and of itself. How about all of the other people, both men and women, who have had their careers put in question or utterly destroyed because they dared to speak out against the present regime?
We must unite if we wish to prevail against the horror that the Republican Party now embodies. Do not think for a second that the same horror could never come of feminism or any other political or social movement, no matter how well meaning it may start out.
If we wish to grow and continue to evolve as a nation, as well as a species we must put these sexist outlooks behind us. May all of the noble PEOPLE who have sacrificed be recognized and applauded for their contributions.
Thank you one and all. VIVA LA REPUBLICA!!!! VIVA LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS!!!
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Posted by: LeftWright on Nov 4, 2006 2:45 AM
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What HOOEY.
I'm not sure how much sexism has to do with this. I think that the blackballing of them was a purely corporate decision by the intellectually bankrupt media cronies of Cheney/Bush.
In order to really know how much sexism played in their treatment, there would have to be a similar male country group of comparable fame making a similar statement in the same time period. My guess is that they would've been just as Clear Channeled as Maines and company.
Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights - Bob Marley
See you on the street, brothers and sisters.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 4, 2006 6:09 AM
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The reaction was to be expected, because this country is so ****ed-up. It showed our true colors and the reality of so-called "free speech".
What if there wasn't a big stir?: "Just some singer chick blabbing about something...but she's kinda hot looking..." Do we want women to be taken seriously?
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Posted by: slydad on Nov 4, 2006 7:49 AM
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These "chicks" (I guess I can use that sexist term since it's their name) were very disrespectful by voicing their opinion in the manner that they did. The backlash that they experienced from that was understandable, but not sexist. Women and men alike boycotted their albums. There was nothing sexist about it at all. There are a number of male musicians that have lost some record sales for being outspoken too, but because of the manner and the place in which the Dixie chicks did it, a lot more was made out of that.
I think that the old adage "The bigger they are, the harder they fall" also comes into play here. The Chicks are almost like the Beatles of country music. Remember what happened to them when John Lennon made the statement that they were "bigger than Jesus". There was a huge public outcry on that . . . maybe even a bigger one than the Dixie Chicks experienced.
The thing is that neither group really suffered that much because of it. I never stopped playing them on my jukebox at the sports bar that I own and I don't even like country music that much plus I'm a Republican. It was all just a bunch of flap and apparently still is now with the release of their new album. In a way, it might have even helped album sales. You know after they broke all those Beatle records, people had to go out and buy them again and sometimes controversy like that gets others interested that might not have been before the controversy as has been alluded to in this thread on another post. Remember, there's no such thing as bad press.
As far as First Amendment rights, nobody stopped them from speaking. It's just that a lot of us would like for them to just shut up and sing.
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Posted by: sallyjrw on Nov 4, 2006 8:34 PM
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The problem is that the msm decided to make an example out of them. If you ask ten random people who say they don't like the Dixie Chicks what the Dixie Chicks actually said, they couldn't tell you. The situation was completely blown out of proportion. People think that the Dixie Chicks don't support the war, or don't support the troops, or hate America. A woman at work said to me "I don't like the Dixie Chicks. If you hate America, then don't live here." If I thought someone hated America, I would think they were unpatriotic, too. And I probably wouldn't buy their music, either.
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Posted by: medbear on Nov 5, 2006 3:19 AM
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Looking at the US in 2003 and forward from the outside was kind of surrealistic. Knowing that it can never be like living there - for better or worse, I am not the one to tell - and that the news we get are filtered and selected by journalists and editors in order to point out certain issues, there were a few oddities that really made me wonder if I should despair, laugh or cry.
My favourite is re-naming a wrongly named Belgian dish to make it more "patriotic". French fries became Freedom fries. Puh-lease!
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Posted by: bookwoman on Nov 5, 2006 8:46 AM
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There is no question in my mind that the DC got nailed worse than they would have if they had been men. After all, we got to keep these women in their place. Heck, pretty soon they're going to think they have the right to vote and use birth control..
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The Dixie chick’s problems started back when Natalie called Toby Keith’s song Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue (The Angry American) "ignorant, and it makes country music sound ignorant." Keith then responded by belittling Maines' songwriting skills. Maines wore a T-shirt with the letters FUTK on the front at the Academy of Country Music Awards.
What Maines did was disrespectful of another artist and his / her work. You DO NOT call the people who pay your salary “ignorant”, and expect thing to be fine and dandy.
And you DO NOT call another artist’s or their work “ignorant” in public. A “professional saves their professional disagreements for the private arena. I imagine if Maines had been a man, then the two of them would have come to physical blows. So in one sense it is about sexism, since being a woman saved Maines from a good-old fashioned, richly deserved, ***-kicking.
Once the fan base “knew” how Maines really felt about them, it was open season on her and the band. If it hadn’t been what she said about Bush, it would have been something else that caused the explosion.
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Posted by: DirtyDave on Dec 16, 2006 1:51 PM
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Country and western music comes from the heartland of America and is very pro-American. This is nothing new.
Perhaps the Dixie chicks should've learned an old saying , while playin country.
You don't s@#% where you eat
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So there you go, the Dixie Chicks were cowards and should move to England or France or wherever i dont care if I never here another one of their songs. I dont own any of their albums, but now i find myself changing the station if their songs come on.
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I am also an 8-year veteran of the US Army. Although I had the good fortune of serving during a period when we were not being shot at, the free speech they exercised was part of what I joined to defend, if necessary. All the Chicks did was use one of the liberties/rights that all Americans enjoy. Nothing more and nothing less.
Nat did nothing but express her feelings and the truth that was all too rare in the rah-rah run-up to the invasion of Iraq. History has shown the Dixie Chicks to not only have been brave, but right. Good for them.
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Posted by: edith on Nov 3, 2006 1:07 AM
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So the Dixie Chicks are really more like country rock folk rebel Steve Earle who likewise has had trouble with major Nashville labels. Earle I believe produces his records on his own label and has moderate success. He plays at many primary clubs around the nation(I heard him last Spring and he's great even when I thought a small number of songs were too 'preachy"0. You also can often catch Earleat "roots" and jamband oriented festivals. His antiwar rhetoric and antideath penalty rhetoric isheard clearly in his recent songs and in his remarks to audiences.
So, I don't think it's a sexist boycott so much as political dissent gets artists in trouble(an old story going back at least to Woody Guthrie). Johnny Cash held unconventional political views and adhered to a basic country blues style as does Willie Nelson. While both were rich and famous, neither made the bucks of a George Strait, Alan Jackson or Tim McGraw/Faith Hill.
Willie Nelson's "Outlaw" movement in the 70's recognized the conservatism of conventional country music, both in musical style and in political activism. Only Johnny's and his wife's recent deaths and the success of a biopic got his music back to occasional play on mainstream radio. He had been on a small but well produced label for years and his recent, highly acclaimed output prior to his passing did not sell in the millions. He didn't care.
The Dixie Chicks are doing fine and they do get radio play on country stations, albeit not as much as they would preBush.
"Country" music is a broad name like pop music that encompasses a variety of styles, locales and influences. Nashville as a symbolic location for country producition likewise is ambiguous; except for true independent labels like Earle's, the same LA based companies like Sony and BMG produce country. Media conglomeration homogenizes much but not all country music.
To the extent the Chicks have been hurt by their politics, it is the reaction of conglomerate owned radio stations and music labels more than sexism per se. But with the Internet, satellite TV, and ipod downloads, routes around the corporate roadblocks should keep the Chicks chirping for quite a while.
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Respectfully,
Don Sherwood, R- PA
OK, I'm sure I didn't fool anyone. God bless the Dixie Chicks, they are another reason why I love my country.
And why we're taking it back.
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There might be exceptions, Billy Bragg, Steve Earle currently [but they ain't young]. There were however, many, many 'angry' bands from the 70s & 80s in Europe [The Clash, Elvis Costello, The Jam, Tom Robinson Band, Gang Of Four, Steel Pulse, The Ruts, Generation X, Manic Street Preachers, Heaven 17, Les Negresses Verte, Mano Negra and others. But now?
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Interestingly, after Hurricane Katrina, Kanye West said something really stupid on the air - "George Bush doesn't like black people." He maligned the character of the president and slandered him -- this statement was far worse than Natalie's statement years earlier, yet the media whooped it up and the guy ended up on the cover of magazines! In one picture he even dressed himself up as Jesus from the crucifixion. Terrifying. It wasn't okay for him to say that and yet people accepted it. Why? I won't ever buy his stuff.
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Posted by: champion on Nov 3, 2006 7:11 AM
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still able to say something critical without being persecuted?
So what, The Dixie Chicks said, "just so you know, we're
ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas."
Big, fuckin' deal! What about DUHbya making fun of not
finding WMD's in 2004 while showing pictures of himself
looking for them in the White House.
Where was the crticism about that? What that fraudulent
president said was many times worse. Did hundreds of
thousands of innocent people die because of what the Dixie
Chicks said, HELL NO!
But that many, and more will die because of the lies, distor-
tions, and spin coming from the Bush cabal and the main-
stream, right-wing media, who worship these criminals.
The people that do speak out about the cabal, whether they
are celebrities or not, is what democracy is all about. These
dictatorial bastards, led by DUHbya (not really, he's a puppet
like the rest of them), want nothing more than to silence all
criticism about them and what they're doing.
People, we NEED voices critical of government and their po-
licies. NEVER, EVER trust government and always have
doubts about what they say and do. Silence and doing the
bidding of the leaders is what the people of Germany did
with the Nazis. And look where that got them.
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Posted by: Andy Lang on Nov 3, 2006 8:15 AM
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Like Cheney who got five deferments to keep out of Vietnam, (the last when he got his wife pregnant as the day before they had changed the rules to draft married men with no children), or President Bush who got his dad to get him into the Texas National Guard, where presumably he defended the Texas borders from Viet Cong incursions--and that was before he decided not to take that drug test, you know the one that detects cocaine abuse.
Well--guess what?
President Clinton has said recently that the GOP is all about the concentration of power and wealth--but eventually the people do catch on, and on Tuesday a powerful message is going to be delivered, strong, clear and unmistakeable.
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But the ONE UNFORGIVEABLE gaffe of that era: Hanoi Jane doing People's Revolutionary Pin Up, sitting on the anti-aircraft gun. (That shot was as close to Cheesecake art as the North Vietnamese fighting man was ever going to be allowed to see.)
Long after the SDS the SLA, Rudd, Kupferberg faded from memory ... Baez and Dylan become mastream songsters again ... Peter Seeger morphed into the grand old man of Pure Water and humane sentiments. THEY STILL HATE JANE. Noone holds a grudge for Peter Fonda's EASY RIDER ... or Christopher Jones' WILD IN THE STREETS. Who even remembers Benjamin Spock, (not the actor with the ears) or is able to name BOTH Berrigan Brothers.
Hell, they even forgave Johny Cash for being a honkey tonk doper and Charlie Pride for Singing While Black at the Grand Ole Opry.
BUT -- they're still selling "Spank Jane Fonda" t-shirts and zippo lighters in the Sportsman's Guide catalog of deer hunters' accesssories.
Why ? Well, on top of getting a lot of attention at the time for being Hank Fonda's daughter, and a box-office property in her own right (who WAS Leon Bibb, anyway) Fonda was ONE HOT BABE!! More semen was spilt over Fonda's Barberella posters than any one except maybe Bo Derrick's '10' and famous Farrah Faucett number which I cannot now remember.
Yeah, those manly men with gunracks in their condederate flag bedecked pickup trucks (well, now they're SUVs, with Heritage not Hate bumper stickers) have certain notions of female virtue and place in the world.
Ask a self styled Cowboy what 'Evil' means he'll give you 3 examples right off the cuff:
1) rattlesnakes
2) prairie dog holes
3) mouthy women
After a few minutes reflection his mind may turn to mass-murderers, child rapists and the Anti-Christ ...
Now, does this mean that these guys are 'sexist' ... ??
Only a loud mouth feminazi bitch would say say that !
(Now, lemmie tellya about that c-nt wh-re ex-wife of mine and her f*ing order of protection!)
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Dixie Chicks-
Neil Young-
Who else?
I need to buy some new anti-war- political CD's
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Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Nov 3, 2006 12:39 PM
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Do the wives of Skilling, Lay, Fastout and Cunningham live in denial, or just public denial? Do they privately admit that 'he certainly is a crook, but look at my jewelry'? Do some of them say 'You run along and screw the world, honey, and bring home another big fat check'?
There are a lot more women I'd like to hear from, if we could hear what they really think. Some people claim that women are naturally more compassionate and fair-minded. If that were the case, surely a lot of these high-profile scum would undergo divorce proceedings and public airing of dirty laundry.
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So I think I'll start it off... If I decide tomorrow morning that I want to become a drug abusing homosexual pedophile and force feed my personal interpretation of the law in this country, then I know what I must do. I'll become a hand waving evangelical television minister (or politician) heading up my own church so that I can operate in my perverted shadow world without fear of retaliation. I'll only deal with people that are empty headed enough to shell out millions of dollars to me so that I can continue to pursue my erotic passions. If my secret is ever discovered, I can always scare the hell out my dim-witted congregation, taking their mind off the real problem, by warning them that the Democrats and the terrorists trying to kill them and their way of life. It is a champion of an idea that appears to work in so very well in America today. I'll have it made for life, and the people that supported me will never put it together that they have been had by a traveling carnival side show Carney who saw them coming a mile away. Ain't life grand?
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Posted by: ryyath@inbox.com on Nov 3, 2006 8:58 PM
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We must unite if we wish to prevail against the horror that the Republican Party now embodies. Do not think for a second that the same horror could never come of feminism or any other political or social movement, no matter how well meaning it may start out.
If we wish to grow and continue to evolve as a nation, as well as a species we must put these sexist outlooks behind us. May all of the noble PEOPLE who have sacrificed be recognized and applauded for their contributions.
Thank you one and all. VIVA LA REPUBLICA!!!! VIVA LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS!!!
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I admire the dixie chicks for their stance very much, but to say that they suffered more because they were women is stupid and sexist in and of itself. How about all of the other people, both men and women, who have had their careers put in question or utterly destroyed because they dared to speak out against the present regime?
We must unite if we wish to prevail against the horror that the Republican Party now embodies. Do not think for a second that the same horror could never come of feminism or any other political or social movement, no matter how well meaning it may start out.
If we wish to grow and continue to evolve as a nation, as well as a species we must put these sexist outlooks behind us. May all of the noble PEOPLE who have sacrificed be recognized and applauded for their contributions.
Thank you one and all. VIVA LA REPUBLICA!!!! VIVA LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS!!!
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Posted by: LeftWright on Nov 4, 2006 2:45 AM
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What HOOEY.
I'm not sure how much sexism has to do with this. I think that the blackballing of them was a purely corporate decision by the intellectually bankrupt media cronies of Cheney/Bush.
In order to really know how much sexism played in their treatment, there would have to be a similar male country group of comparable fame making a similar statement in the same time period. My guess is that they would've been just as Clear Channeled as Maines and company.
Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights - Bob Marley
See you on the street, brothers and sisters.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 4, 2006 6:09 AM
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The reaction was to be expected, because this country is so ****ed-up. It showed our true colors and the reality of so-called "free speech".
What if there wasn't a big stir?: "Just some singer chick blabbing about something...but she's kinda hot looking..." Do we want women to be taken seriously?
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Posted by: slydad on Nov 4, 2006 7:49 AM
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These "chicks" (I guess I can use that sexist term since it's their name) were very disrespectful by voicing their opinion in the manner that they did. The backlash that they experienced from that was understandable, but not sexist. Women and men alike boycotted their albums. There was nothing sexist about it at all. There are a number of male musicians that have lost some record sales for being outspoken too, but because of the manner and the place in which the Dixie chicks did it, a lot more was made out of that.
I think that the old adage "The bigger they are, the harder they fall" also comes into play here. The Chicks are almost like the Beatles of country music. Remember what happened to them when John Lennon made the statement that they were "bigger than Jesus". There was a huge public outcry on that . . . maybe even a bigger one than the Dixie Chicks experienced.
The thing is that neither group really suffered that much because of it. I never stopped playing them on my jukebox at the sports bar that I own and I don't even like country music that much plus I'm a Republican. It was all just a bunch of flap and apparently still is now with the release of their new album. In a way, it might have even helped album sales. You know after they broke all those Beatle records, people had to go out and buy them again and sometimes controversy like that gets others interested that might not have been before the controversy as has been alluded to in this thread on another post. Remember, there's no such thing as bad press.
As far as First Amendment rights, nobody stopped them from speaking. It's just that a lot of us would like for them to just shut up and sing.
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The problem is that the msm decided to make an example out of them. If you ask ten random people who say they don't like the Dixie Chicks what the Dixie Chicks actually said, they couldn't tell you. The situation was completely blown out of proportion. People think that the Dixie Chicks don't support the war, or don't support the troops, or hate America. A woman at work said to me "I don't like the Dixie Chicks. If you hate America, then don't live here." If I thought someone hated America, I would think they were unpatriotic, too. And I probably wouldn't buy their music, either.
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Looking at the US in 2003 and forward from the outside was kind of surrealistic. Knowing that it can never be like living there - for better or worse, I am not the one to tell - and that the news we get are filtered and selected by journalists and editors in order to point out certain issues, there were a few oddities that really made me wonder if I should despair, laugh or cry.
My favourite is re-naming a wrongly named Belgian dish to make it more "patriotic". French fries became Freedom fries. Puh-lease!
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There is no question in my mind that the DC got nailed worse than they would have if they had been men. After all, we got to keep these women in their place. Heck, pretty soon they're going to think they have the right to vote and use birth control..
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Posted by: qdemn7 on Nov 7, 2006 5:32 AM
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The Dixie chick’s problems started back when Natalie called Toby Keith’s song Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue (The Angry American) "ignorant, and it makes country music sound ignorant." Keith then responded by belittling Maines' songwriting skills. Maines wore a T-shirt with the letters FUTK on the front at the Academy of Country Music Awards.
What Maines did was disrespectful of another artist and his / her work. You DO NOT call the people who pay your salary “ignorant”, and expect thing to be fine and dandy.
And you DO NOT call another artist’s or their work “ignorant” in public. A “professional saves their professional disagreements for the private arena. I imagine if Maines had been a man, then the two of them would have come to physical blows. So in one sense it is about sexism, since being a woman saved Maines from a good-old fashioned, richly deserved, ***-kicking.
Once the fan base “knew” how Maines really felt about them, it was open season on her and the band. If it hadn’t been what she said about Bush, it would have been something else that caused the explosion.
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Posted by: DirtyDave on Dec 16, 2006 1:51 PM
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Country and western music comes from the heartland of America and is very pro-American. This is nothing new.
Perhaps the Dixie chicks should've learned an old saying , while playin country.
You don't s@#% where you eat
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Posted by: livinginarizona on Feb 12, 2007 4:32 AM
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So there you go, the Dixie Chicks were cowards and should move to England or France or wherever i dont care if I never here another one of their songs. I dont own any of their albums, but now i find myself changing the station if their songs come on.
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