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Is Dieting Anti-Feminist?

By Ariel M. Stallings, Sirens Magazine. Posted November 1, 2006.


Her efforts to drop pounds made her feel like she was dropping the ball on women's rights as well. Then the epiphany: What's wrong with wanting to be healthy and look hot?

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I grew up without a scale in the house. My mother threw it away when I was 8 years old because she didn't want me to become a slave to it like she had as a teen. I also didn't have any Barbies growing up because my mom didn't want me to have a distorted body image. Hey, makes sense to me: I got My Little Ponies instead ... they have stumpy legs and plump bubble butts and are probably a much better body model for little girls. As a result, I grew up with a solid, healthy body image and a body to match: I'm totally average -- thick, but not fat; strong, not skinny.

However, six-plus years of working as a writer/sedentary lump accelerated my metabolism's natural decline. Despite a daily yoga practice, I've never been an especially active person and having a sit-in-a-chair career is without a doubt my biggest health liability.

I eat healthy foods. My diet is mostly vegetarian (I eat fish a few times a week), and I eat a lot of vegan food (thanks to a strict-vegan husband). I rarely touch fast food, rarely drink alcohol/soda/Starbucks, and my main vices have been sweets, nuts, and oily ethnic foods like Thai and Indian. My diet is infinitely healthier than the Standard American Diet of deep fried everything with a bucket-sized side of carbonated sugar. Despite all that, though, I'd steadily gained weight for the last five years ... three or four pounds a year. I wasn't terribly overweight, but I could already see how my lifestyle and eating habits had become the most unhealthy part of my life. And, well, my chin was starting to disappear into my neck.

I started wrestling with myself: I felt unhealthy -- and then felt guilty for feeling that way. Was I a victim of the patriarchal societal pressures my mother tried so hard to shield me from? Then again, does fighting the patriarchy mean stuffing myself? Was I buying into some clucky NOT ME style national weight obsession by feeling like I wasn't eating right? Then again, since when is eating healthier a national obsession? Americans eat terribly!

I knew that I was eating more food than I needed to, but the mere idea of portion control brought up an enormous set of issues for me. As the feminist daughter of a feminist mother, I've always felt like it was my duty not to think about food. Not only a duty -- it was something I owed to my best friend who'd suffered through anorexia and bulimia in high school, complete with a month of hospitalization. It was my job to be the one who held down the fort of healthy eating, setting a good example for women who were crushed under the thumb of eating disorders and weight issues.

In my mind, the only way to fight eating disorders and the all-too-common feminine weight neurosis was not to think about food or weight at all ... I ate HEALTHY food, but the thought "maybe I should eat less" always felt like it was just around the corner from some sort of Karen Carpenter nightmare, where I suddenly became a neurotic starving skeleton with amenorrhea. But still, I desperately wanted to loose the extra poundage, at least so I'd feel as healthy as I was supposedly being.

I tried various exercise regimes to try to balance my sedentary routine, but because I'm so solidly muscular, the effect was that I just got bigger. I ran stairs for six months and my ass grew (harder, but bigger!). I lifted weights for almost a year and the result was that my T-shirt sleeves stopped fitting.

Then someone recommended Weight Watchers. I know, right? Fucking Weight Watchers? A pay-for-play diet program? Not only was it the feminist in me that balked, but it was also the conscious consumer. Not only was I a victim of the patriarchy, I'd be a victim of consumer fitness culture! You can't pay someone to fix your bad habits! I can't deal with the "bad food/food bad" issues that many chronic dieters seem to embody. I think too many women spend their days connecting food with negativity, and it's just not healthy! Food is good; food nourishes us! Now, is there food that's healthier? Yes. Is there food that you should eat less of? Sure! But is there bad food? No! Then I talked to a woman I respected and she explained, "It's not really a diet -- it's a training for how to eat and cook for the rest of your life and not hate it." Oh, you mean it's not about special foods you can or can't eat? It's just about figuring out how much you can eat in balance with your lifestyle? About being more mindful of the foods you eat and the quantities that you eat them, as it compares with your activity level? Huh. That all made perfect sense. Still, I felt like a traitor to my sex, just a little.


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Ariel M. Stallings is a working wordsmith living in Seattle. Her first book, Offbeat Bride, hits bookstores in January. Read more of Ariel's musings on food, feminism and oddball observations on her blog.

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Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 1, 2006 2:10 AM   
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What could be nicer than feminists who look hot?

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Fitting in
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 1, 2006 2:47 AM   
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I've seen a few of these types of articles: I feel guilty about X because I'm a feminist. Being a feminist sounds awfully stressful and confusing.

But I don't think it's feminism per se that's the problem. It's any kind of groupthink that pressures individuals to fit their program.

I'm a bad progressive because I hate political correctness. I'm a bad male because I hate thin supermodels and Hollyweird brats with no jiggle or curves. I'm a bad American because I think patriotism is BS...

I don't know what the feminist position is on dieting, or if there is one. But I look forward to more debate on our culture's dysfunctional relationship with food, physical beauty, etc...which, again, makes me a lousy progressive, because I should be obsessing about the upcoming elections, and how evil GWB is.

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» RE: Fitting in Posted by: Torgo
» RE: Fitting in Posted by: Conservasaurus
» How so? Posted by: stormchilde1975
race & gender divide and rule race & gender divide and rule
Posted by: mah_favorite_flavor_cherry_red on Nov 1, 2006 3:29 AM   
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Alternet is yet another fakeleft nonprofit funded indirectly by the big nonprofit in order to protect the rich from economics oriented leftism.

the overclass created and funds these nonprofits in order to divert american politics away from economics oriented leftism and instead towards identity politics, where the emphasis is on gays, feminism and race, especially towards racial-gender-sexuality SPOILS politics.


race and gender, divide and rule. It's an old old old story.

disgusting....

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A good diet can make a man or woman look not only slim and sexy but less miserable.
Posted by: NDnative on Nov 1, 2006 3:48 AM   
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It is true that men or women who go overboard to stay slim and lose weight often damage themselves and subject themselves to being nothing more than slave dogs.

However, the author is disgraceful to only limit the suffering to women. No wonder voters keep allowing male chauvinism to thrive. Both sides should STOP GIVING SEX PREFERENCES and SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!

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This article annoyed me
Posted by: BlueStateBitch on Nov 1, 2006 3:53 AM   
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Hated the article. Wanted to put my fist through the computer screen.

I'm sorry that a supposedly intelligent woman like the author of the article took so long to figure out that stuffing herself was bad. Confusing this issue with feminism is just stupid.

Unfortunately I'm a lesbian in New England and I'm surrounded by massively unattractive women who apparently feel as this woman does. Ladies, being fat is not attractive. You can still be woman-identified AND be fit.

The article was a waste of time.

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» RE: This article annoyed me Posted by: Vyking
» RE: This article annoyed me Posted by: pdxlinuxchix
» RE: This article annoyed me Posted by: vangogh69
Forget feminist, fat is unhealthy
Posted by: medstudgeek on Nov 1, 2006 4:01 AM   
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Not that I'm sympathetic to the beauty myth and all its pernicious effects, but being very overweight is just bad for you. Heart disease, type 2 diabetes, etc.

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A self-sufficient ego. Nothing else matters.
Posted by: Torgo on Nov 1, 2006 4:51 AM   
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it's been my goal to deal with the process of losing weight in a positive, self-affirming, self-loving way.

That's commendable. Good for the author. Speaking for myself, I know I'm much happier now that I've become comfortable with my own self-interest (in all areas of life) over the last 8 years or so.

As the feminist daughter of a feminist mother, I've always felt like it was my duty not to think about food. Not only a duty -- it was something I owed to my best friend who'd suffered through anorexia and bulimia in high school, complete with a month of hospitalization. It was my job to be the one who held down the fort of healthy eating, setting a good example for women who were crushed under the thumb of eating disorders and weight issues.

To quote kepstein7777 above: "I've seen a few of these types of articles: I feel guilty about X because I'm a feminist. Being a feminist sounds awfully stressful and confusing. But I don't think it's feminism per se that's the problem. It's any kind of groupthink that pressures individuals to fit their program."

Here's hoping that the author and Alternet readers continue to reject "groupthink" and discover the virtue of selfishness (as long as neither force nor fraud are involved).

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Give her a break
Posted by: simplyme on Nov 1, 2006 5:23 AM   
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I teach women's studies and I think this article will be a good talking point when we discuss women and body image. So much is written about distorted media images of women. Young feminists are encouraged to reject the "media model" but are not given the facts on the soaring obesity rates in America.

The truth is, the chances of women being overweight or obese are far higher than the chances of them being anorexic. We may feel bad about our bodies and *want* to look like models, but the chances of us doing much about it are slim indeed--no pun intended.

The young people in my classes--women and men--tend toward overweight. That is at 18 to 22 years of age. They will nearly all be overweight when they are older. Hearing that they can be feminists AND be body conscious--that it is okay to love your body WHILE fighting patriarchy--is going to be a refreshing change of message for many of these young people.

Give the author a break. This is a new message for a lot of young feminists. Maybe some of the folks reading Alternet already have heard it, but then, maybe the message wasn't meant for them.

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» Your students? Posted by: vangogh69
» RE: Give her a break Posted by: Gravitas
EXCERCISE, people!!!!
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Nov 1, 2006 5:36 AM   
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she admits all she does is sit on her ass and eat. get up, and walk. or jog. or run. or bike. JUST GET OFF YOUR ASS!!!!

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» RE: XCERCISE, people!!!! Posted by: maestra
What the hell?
Posted by: caitlin on Nov 1, 2006 6:24 AM   
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None of this has anything to do with feminism. Not a single bit, not even the paragraph where you threw in the idea that not dieting was sticking it to the man. I'm personally inclined the whole bit about 'feminism/anti-feminist' was thrown in just to attract the wankers of the world. Pretty crappy attempt at snagging attention, y'all.

At any rate, what the author is describing isn't dieting. Dieting is based around special restrictions, and they usually aren't meant to last forever. (Check out the Atkins' Diet, which, if it doesn't kill you through heart or kidney problems, will certainly make you reek like two day old horse shit.) Diets are unhealthy - the dieter drops weight so quickly that it puts stress on the body, and many people attempt them without adding physical activity into the mix.

If someone is really interested in being healthy (which may or may not entail losing weight) then they need to have access to fresh foods, they need to stop eating foods with high fructose corn syrup, and they need to get a moderate amount of exercise. If you want to go for a high-protein, low-carb diet with lots of weight training and cardio, knock yourself out. But it's not necessary to be healthy.

I wouldn't tag 'diets' with the label of anti-feminism, but I would tag them as being 'not worth a damn.'

I also disagree that the issue of eating well is something that is specific to women. Women do face certain pressures to be thin that most men don't, but let's be realistic, just as many men eat poorly as do women. I'm thinking of my dad, who has Type II diabetes, thanks to years of eating pots full of pasta and gallons of ice cream in one sitting. I'm thinking of my husband's best friend, who ate nothing but fast food for years and now pays the price with insane health problems at the age of 28.

If anything, I'd say that matters of food, health and weight are class issues, with a dash of race and gender issue, just to make it complicated. Think about it - when was the last time you went into a poor neighborhood and saw a decent grocery store or a farmer's market? How expensive is organic produce compared to non-organic? How cheap are processed, prepared foods? What kind of hormones are they injecting in our meat and our milk to keep it inexpensive? Why are all of our cities, workplaces and lifestyles designed to keep us off our feet and on our butts? Why would people rather watch others being active than just getting out and being active on their own?

This article is a very shallow take on a very complex, critical issue. If you frame your every decision based on whether its feminist or not, as opposed to whether its good for you and good for the rest of the world, then you are approaching the issue from the worst framework possible, because you are still looking for external indicators to tell you what you should and should not do.

What's the feminist choice? It's doing the right thing by yourself and by the rest of the world. It's that easy, really.

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» RE: What the hell? Posted by: Torgo
» RE: What the hell? Posted by: yesman
I thought...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 1, 2006 6:37 AM   
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I thought feminism was about FREEDOM and LIBERATION, not strict adherence to someone else's made up rules of how women are supposed to be. Feminism, it seems, IS the new patriarchy!

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» RE: I thought... Posted by: morticia
Mass Media "Feminism" -- Get used to it ...
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Nov 1, 2006 6:51 AM   
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I've been a NOW member a long time. I'm well aware that advocates and activists have their individual faults and failings -- ego and self-persuasion being high on the list.

But I have never seen this degree of mirror gazing superficiality among women calling themselves feminists until AlterNet introduced me to Sirens and Feministing and their stable of apprentice writers.

Nor have such trivial concerns raised to such levels of sociopolitical importance, except it was a college dorm ... late at night -- and there were psychoactive recreational drugs involved.

I don't know if its just editorial lazyness, incompetence and uncaring ... or a deliberate attempt to discredit and subvert.

Once again though: AlterNet -- Tone Deaf on Feminism.

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Alternet's alternative to the horoscope
Posted by: owleyes on Nov 1, 2006 7:30 AM   
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These "feminist" articles that Alternet publishes on a weekly basis are really beyond dumb. Consequently, they make feminism look dumb, especially to people who aren't naturally inclined to sympathize with the cause. But they are undeniably fun. That is why I read them and respond to them with probably more enthusiasm than to more serious, coherent articles about important things. By the way, I'm listening to the radio right now, and there was just a clip of GW saying "The Democrat plan is this: the terrorists win, and America loses." I'm simply shocked. Please excuse me while I go change my voter registration.

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Rubbish
Posted by: MAD on Nov 1, 2006 7:33 AM   
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"So I've been eating less. I started taking aerobic dance classes instead of yoga classes (although I still have my home yoga practice). And I've lost weight. It feels so simple: I've been eating less and more consciously, although I'm certainly not deprived. I eat a lot of good, rich, healthy foods. Less oily noodles and nuts and cheese, sure. But WW encourages eating lots of vegetables and whole grains and high fiber foods -- foods I already enjoyed and already knew were good for me."

BRILLIANT, absolutely brilliant! Who would have thunk it? Eating less and exercising more = weight loss? I'm just flabbergasted! And it took nothing short of a few thousand words to sum up that incredibly simple point. I really don't see what the hell diet and exercise have to do with feminism specifically as this kind of "lifestyle" choice benefits all.

A couple of things. Most nuts are NOT bad for you at all. Anything in excess can be but walnuts, almonds, cashews and Brazil and pine nuts, just to name a few, are exceedingly good for you. Almonds in particular are wonderful. Everyone should eat about 30 a day. Walnuts are one of the few natural sources of Omega 3 & 6 but we have to assume that she was eating Planter's honey roasted, salted peanuts by the handfull. Second, she may have gained some muscle mass by running stairs, but that is precisely what burns fat and in the long run it's still better for you. Am I being a traitor to the notion of masculinity because I eat Almonds instead of steak? Woe is me.

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A Male Perspective?
Posted by: kenadrian on Nov 1, 2006 7:52 AM   
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Increasingly men too are expected to have "six pack abs". We're seeing things like "manorexia" finally being acknowledged by the media. So, what about the male perspective on gender equality and a correlation to fitness/attractiveness?

I'm for equal rights. I'm male... and I definitely feel the pressure to be thin and, therefore, attractive to women. To top it off, many of the same "feminists" who talk about body-image issues are the very people who ridicule men with "beer bellies" (even though in many cases being overweight has nothing to do with consuming beer). I'd like to hear the same women who are concerned about equal rights for themselves ease off on the pressure for men to look like they should be on the cover of a muscle magazine.

Of course, I'll be bashed for "whining" or whatever for posting this and that will just emphasize my point but whatever...

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» RE: A Male Perspective? Posted by: caitlin
» RE: A Male Perspective? Posted by: vangogh69
Why have these shallow articles?
Posted by: xenacat on Nov 1, 2006 8:01 AM   
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Being a healthy wieght has absolutely nothing to do with feminism. Since when does feminism tell women to be fat? It doesn't. These types of "blame the feminists because I'm youthful, shallow and buy into negative mainstream thinking about feminists" do alternates' readers a great diservice. Christ Almighty, please get some deeper thinkers involved here. Once again, Alternate has published tripe instead of some sort of valuable discourse on gender.

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Oh, God, not another one
Posted by: cowgrrrl on Nov 1, 2006 8:50 AM   
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What is it with these silly, anti-feminist articles on AlterNet lately?

This one is just as atrocious as last week's "Is it so wrong to want a man?" article.

There are very real issues about inequality and oppression surrounding relationships and body image issues -- but NOBODY is saying that feminists can't like men or want to be fit!

Please, people, stop twisting the words of legitimate feminist critique into something they're not.

And please, AlterNet, would you hire an editor who GETS mainstream feminism? Stop wasting our time with these falsely accusatory non-stories.

Feminism, fat, beauty, health and loving men are NOT mutually exclusive!

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» RE: Oh, God, not another one Posted by: LeeAnnG
Fat is not feminist
Posted by: harpy on Nov 1, 2006 8:52 AM   
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There's nothing feminist about being fat. Fat is unhealthy, not a political statement. There's nothing politically correct about having your arteries clogged or your organs smothered by excess fat. That's just stupid. We've let ad agencies convince us that we needed those huge portions because we paid for them, whether at the restaurant buffet or at the store. Making or letting yourself get fat because you think it politically correct is just plain stupid. Your clothes are NOT a good indicator of weight, they can stretch into a 20 pound weight gain before you know it, and then it's hard to get rid of. Weigh yourself every day, this PC thing about not being a slave to a scale is stupid. If you weigh yourself everyday, you know exactly what will have the most impact on your unique body weight, and it's not the same for everybody. Besides, you can correct yourself at 5 pounds, it's 30 or 40 that's hard to deal with.
Get on that exercise program, your heart and other organs will love you for it.

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» RE: Fat is not feminist Posted by: yesman
Insulting & ignorant
Posted by: tlCampbell on Nov 1, 2006 8:58 AM   
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This article is terribly insulting to women and men who do place their health at the top of their priority list.

Food =/= evil.
Taking the time to evaluate and be selective about what you shovel into your mouth =/= evil.
Having the desire to feel good by not having to shuffle about excess slabs of body fat =/= evil.

Assuming that feminism has anything to do with eating responsibly and exercising to keep your weight down in order to prevent chronic illness and suffering does however, = evil.

When are people going to figure out that eating healthy and exercising is about personal health safety and responsibility and not some hidden spin agenda? Frankly, if you are not taking the time to eat consciously and attempt to stay fit, you’re just going to be another number taxing the system with heart disease, diabetes, depression, and over consumption; just to name a few common and very serious problems with our culture.

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» RE: Insulting & ignorant Posted by: owleyes
» RE: Posted by: tlCampbell
Stop the sizism!
Posted by: jackie on Nov 1, 2006 9:26 AM   
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It is pretty sad when someone who considers herself to be a feminist can engage in the denigration of others so easily. Despite what the Diet Industrial Complex would have you believe, being fat is not a health problem. If you get some exercise and you eat somewhat healthy food, you will be healthy regardless of your size. Our society's demonization of fat is a reflection of class, race and gender bias and it is sad when a so-called feminist buys into it. The article stinks of elitism and unexamined prejudice.

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» RE: Stop the sizism! Posted by: owleyes
» RE: Stop the sizism! Posted by: yesman
where do these weird ideas about feminism come from?
Posted by: Julia Cat on Nov 1, 2006 9:28 AM   
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Seems like every day I read something by a woman wrestling, or pretending to wrestle, with some ridiculous thing "feminists" supposedly believe. I suppose you can find feminists who think being fat is great if you look hard enough, but the author gives no evidence of having actually met such people. Her mother, the only feminist she mentions, sounds quite sensible.
The feminists I know of who resist the dieting culture tend to say things like: your body type is basically genetic, just eat healthily and exercise and you'll be fine, our cultural expectations of slenderness are unrealistic, etc. NOT: pay no attention to what you eat and how you live because to do so is to be the slave of the Man. However, I also know plenty of feminists who are trying to lose weight!
So who, exactly, is she talking about? And why them?

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Who are you exercising for?
Posted by: rellots on Nov 1, 2006 10:04 AM   
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I think that one of the main questions about feminism and living in a culture that promotes a certain beauty ideal is who are you exercising for? Yourself or for the patriarchy?

It's similar to high heels and make-up. Are these things for the benefit of the wearer or are they really patriarchal markers? ~eric

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interesting debate about the health of Americans, not just feminists
Posted by: tlannin on Nov 1, 2006 10:08 AM   
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From the range of responses, it's easy to see that many women are pretty sensitive about this issue, which means that Naomi Wolff's "The Beauty Myth" is still very relevant today.

My two young daughters and I recently visited a Charlotte diner noted for breakfasts. It's frequented by a multi-racial, multi-ethnic group ranging from lower to upper-middle class. My guess would be that if you separated them demographically, you would see an interesting mix of reasons as to why some were fat, some were thin, and some were athletic.

What was obvious, however, is that there was an over-abundance of severely fat people. No sooner had we been seated then three morbidly obese men walked through the door to populate an establishment that already had plenty of them. Their wives were thinner, but not by much. They all ordered and soon mountains of fat-and cholesterol-filled food settled in front of them. I couldn't help but sense that these guys were wantonly ignoring available facts about how poor nutrition and lack of exercise lead to obesity.

Americans are pretty good about ignoring ugly truths, and our poor diet reflects our incredible ability to deny things. People with addictive eating or dieting habits continue this trend. For women it's harder because they naturally have higher percentages of body fat than men. Sadly, feminists are, and have been, arguing among themselves for years about their looks when the "weighty" issue is really health.

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I can relate
Posted by: nazrafel on Nov 1, 2006 10:09 AM   
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I consider myself to be a strident feminist. For most of my life I have carried extra weight and for most of the time it wasn't a major health issue, I was overweight but not by a whole lot. Like the author, I struggled with feminist ideas about not caving to body image sterotypes and never gave much thought to my eating habits. However as I got older, I gained weight to the point that it became unhealthy. I look at it this way, trying to be healthy is not giving in to the patriarchy, trying to be size 2 when you are meant to be a natrual 12 is. I've seen what not paying attention to your health has done to family memebers, just like I see others who excercise and take care of themselves (not obsessively) and though they are 50, they move feel like 40. I want to enjoy life after 50, not take 20 different medications and not suffer from osetoarthritis. Taking care of yourself IS a feminist choice, but like the author it isn't something I realized immediately. I think this is a good article for young feminists who may feel that ANY attention paid to weight, body type and food is giving in to patriarchal ideas of female beauty. That is not the case, we need to take care of ourselves so we stay healthy and happy until the end of our lives.

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America, land of the fatties!
Posted by: vangogh69 on Nov 1, 2006 10:13 AM   
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America is notorious for its grotesque levels of consumption, be it from food to oil. While I see the validity of the author speaking about "personal responsibility" (is she a republican?), I'd challange her to take a longer look at our society and to see obesity as a systemic problem, not only personal. Fact is, America in 2006 is geared towards people being fat.

Most of us have to use a car to get around, thanks to years of infrastructure investment in roads and tax breaks to the auto industry; "healthy eating" can be extremely expensive for someone living on a fixed income; for someone working two or three jobs, it's much easier to take "lunch" (the alloted 30min jobs give their emps to eat) at McDonald's where the food is ready in one minute versus the vegan restaurant where it might take 20min just to prepare your meal; the hormones and other crap put into food so that it tastes "natural"; and so on.

I'm a very fit guy who works out 5xs a week. I'm also a vegetarian and limit my options of fast-food to once a week. I'm lucky that I have a job which affords me the opportunity to move around, to not work 10+ hrs a day, and live in a place where I can do things outside if I so choose. While I'm disgusted by the beer bellies or the cottage cheese I see on fatties sometimes, I recognize that it is BOTH their fault AND the fault of a society geared to keep them that way.

(PS- In an unrelated note, you can always spot an American tourist overseas by how loud or fat they are...as well as how darn earnest!)

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Baloney on white
Posted by: morticia on Nov 1, 2006 10:32 AM   
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It's silly articles like this, which suggest that "feminism" requires adherence to some rigid dogma, that supply Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh and their ilk with a steady supply of material.

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» RE: Baloney on white Posted by: morticia
» RE: Baloney on white Posted by: owleyes
» RE: Baloney on white Posted by: morticia
Feminist or no feminist, obesity is unhealthy--period.
Posted by: tlannin on Nov 1, 2006 11:44 AM   
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Look, being very fat is hard on the arteries, heart, and other vital organs--period. Both the alternative science of Dr. Andrew Weill and mainstream medical reports support this fact. Why misrepresent or deny it? Want to give the Bill O'Reillys of the world more fuel for their fire? Want to help them perpetuate the stereotype of fat, bitter lesbian-feminists hating everyone who isn't marginalized as they are? Feminists who advocate how Fat = Beautiful do more harm than good for feminism. Likewise, anyone with a lick of common sense would cringe at the thought that fat boys and girls are beautiful, healthy creatures. We have an epidemic of fat Americans that is affecting industrialized nations, too--face up to it! This goes way beyond feminism.

For the record, I'm married to a beautiful feminist who knows that maintaining a sensible weight relative to her age and height, as well as exercising regularly, will not only increase her life span but lower our health costs over time. We're both middle-aged and know that if we want to keep up with two young girls we need to stay active. We couldn't hike, cycle, or run with them if we were obese. Not unless we wanted to have a heart attack! Being fit helps both of us function better mentally and emotionally. Each gender has "issues" specific to them, but given that more women than men suffer depression, doesn't it make sense for fat--and usually depressed--women to shed excess weight and live healthfully rather than stuff and over-medicate themselves?

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Sad Sad Article
Posted by: Gravitas on Nov 1, 2006 12:32 PM   
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What a sad article.

#1) If she had a mom who was antidiet, she should consider herself the luckiest women in the world. I can't tell you how many girls I have known who were harassed to the point of insanity over their weights. Try reading Paul Campos' The Obesity Myth where one dad forced his daughter to jog before her dates showed up.

#2) Many of the ill effects of fat are really the result of dieting. Yo-yo dieting (and 98% of diets do fail in the long run) increases the risks of heart disease and diabetes. It makes us fatter by raising our setpoints. (Rats put on a diet then refed the exact same amount of food gained 20x the amount the control rats did. And these were rats in a controled environment. They weren't in denial like so many fat people are accused of by morons who can't seem to get that weight is about much more than exercise and eating habits! Find a copy of The Dieter's Dilemma written by Bennet and Gurin. Dr. Bennet is editor of the Harvard Medical School Newsletter.

#3 The diet industry is behind many of the scare studies and distorted fear of fat. When a fat person supports a diet organization, you are not only paying to harm your health but then to have it blamed on your own lack of will. Not to mention how big diet loves to scapegoat obesity for all society's ills.

#4 Diets lead to eating disorders. Not just anorexia and bulemia, but binge dieting. People pig out because our bodies don't like to take weight off quickly, or even moderately. Fat was our primary survival mechanism and will be again soon as we face food shortages from global warming.

#5 Everyone out there considering a diet should visit this site.
http://www.any-body.org/ (Scroll down about 4 articles)

It was founded by Susie Orbach, former eating disorder therapist to Lady Di. She is trying to sue Weight Watchers to bring public attention to how deceptive they are. (I wouldn't be surprized if this article was really sponsored by WW, it reads like a commercial. But then again, when one joins the cult of dieting, one tends to be a good girl and tow the line. Which is why it is definately a feminist issue!!!!!

"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."

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» "toe the line" Posted by: supercrisp
You've Come A Long Way Baby!
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Nov 1, 2006 12:40 PM   
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Remember the Virginia Slims advert from years past. Probably the most evil marketing ever equated freedom for women with smoking! Well, I think a lot of adverts, companies, magazines, and films have/are tried to associated certain products or 'ideal' body type to feminist ideology. Heck now we even have hard-core pornographers claiming that "porn is liberation" and young women are sucked into the porn industry more frequently than ever before.

Point is to be healthy, and don't let society or someone else dictate how you need to 'look'. Personally, I think just about everyone I see in 'real life' is over-weight, including myself, but I think that its due to the lack of activity and large portions we eat in America now.

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Ignorance is your problem !
Posted by: SM_Quebec on Nov 1, 2006 2:08 PM   
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You mention “I eat a lot of good, rich, healthy foods. Less oily noodles and nuts and cheese”

This is an idiotic comment.

First, noodles are healthy except you need to buy quality ones, like the ones made of spelt, buckwheat, kamut, etc.

Seconds, nuts are extremely healthy; they are full polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats, associated with low cholesterol.

Third, stop buying KRAFT shit, you need raw-milk cheese.

You see, you have to think in terms of ingredients.

A grilled-cheese is made of bread and cheese. So look into the quality of the ingredients you put into it and the fat you use to grill it.

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Is 'Sirens' the only "feminist" link that can be found?
Posted by: crisman on Nov 1, 2006 3:00 PM   
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I guess have a few separate but somewhat associated comments to make.

What I've seen posted thus far by "Sirens" writers as well as what is on their link seems to me to be as feminist as "Cosmopolitan" or the other fashion magazines I see at supermarket checkouts. If the Sirens content was any more banal it too would feature "Makeup Tips," "How to Please Your Man in Bed," etc...

There are plenty of liberal/radical/socialist feminist sites available that cover contemporary women's issues, so why is there a dearth of feminist perspectives published here?

Re: Cry0Fan (Rebel Pig, Cherry Red)

While I agree on some of your points (e.g., too much focus on "single issue politics," "identity politics" and not enough about economic issues) I feel that all systems of oppression need to be confronted.

I remember some time ago hearing an Old Left person basically say that "it's the economy, stupid!" Though capitalism is a form of economic oppression that also perpetuates other oppressive institutions (racism, patriarchy, heterosexism, etc...), an African-American is just as valid to reply, "Hmm...that's odd. I thought they lynched my relative because he/she was black." Racial and gender oppression too need to be confronted.

As long as we pick and choose our pet oppressions to address and choose to ignore oppression that doesn't seem to directly affect us we will remain an aggregate of bickering factions instead of a cohesive popular movement.

John

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Uh, okay.
Posted by: opeluboy on Nov 1, 2006 6:09 PM   
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Yes, I would be willing to bet you can be a feminist, even a lesbian, and still opt for healthy and attractive. Going out on a limb, I would even venture that one could shave one's legs and armpits and still be a feminist.

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boring.
Posted by: adamk on Nov 2, 2006 9:40 AM   
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alternet used to have interesting articles...what's happened here? oh well, time to go elsewhere i guess.

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see
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Nov 2, 2006 10:24 AM   
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This is the kind of miserable crap that comes out of feminism that really gives me a bad attitude towards it that I wouldn't have otherwise. Women's rights? Awesome. Social equality, fanfriggintastic. Is it antifeminist to diet? Stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life, short of Bush winning any election, ever. Not to mention the female-centric take they have on absolutely everything whether it makes any sense or not, like how rain and sunshine effects women more than men and men just don't want to include women in the discussion.

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Lets get to the real question... is feminism feminist enough????
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 2, 2006 10:50 AM   
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?

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Too much food
Posted by: SFLB on Nov 2, 2006 12:03 PM   
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The issue of weight is one peculiar only to societies with the luxury of having too much food. I submit that the true feminist issue here is the recognition of a patriarchal world with gross imbalances in wealth and power. As Jane Kenyon has written, in her poem "Fat": "...As the evening news makes clear/the starving and the besieged maintain/the current standard of beauty without effort..."

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Check out the Rudd Center's work
Posted by: zinnia on Nov 2, 2006 1:40 PM   
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For a more thoughtful treatment of the dual problems of weight bias ("fat phobia"), and our country's obesity epidemic, everyone should check out the work of the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity at Yale. They do some good stuff - they recognize that, yes America's eating habits are out of whack, but also that bias against fat people is not helping them in anyway (certainly not encouraging them to be healthier!).

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Bring back Lakshmi Chaudry!
Posted by: Vyking on Nov 2, 2006 2:04 PM   
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The quality of Alternet has declined steeply since she left. The well-written thoughtful analyses produced during her tenure as editor have been replaced by this sort of self-congratulatory pablum.

I repeat: BRING BACK LAKSHMI CHAUDRY!

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Feminism doesn't tell us to be fat OR thin
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Nov 2, 2006 3:26 PM   
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Feminism tells us that women are still humans worthy of respect and dignity no matter what shape we are and also tells us that we do NOT have to make any effort to conform to OTHER people's images of what we should be.

Dieting is NOT anti-feminism as long as the woman is doing it for HERSELF and for her health. Feminism is making one's own educated, freely-made choices.

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I Love These Articles
Posted by: faultroy on Nov 2, 2006 3:56 PM   
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I love these articles because they reinforce the contention that the Feminist Movement has pretty much declined into what women are ultimately all about--totally self absorbed, totally insecure and focused on the most pedestrian and inane of issues. Look at the amount of commentary on this birdbrained article. For those of you looking for something of substance; look this author is trying to make a living, she's not trying to change the world, she's giving the feminist rabble what they want--junk food journalism--hey it's all about making a living--she's got to make the donuts--you know?
Rather than focus on issues of economics, healthcare, quality of life, we have the great moral Feminist Debate of the 21st Century--"Do you think I look Fat?????" and as an aside: "Do I look Hot!!!????
I absolutely love it!!!!
It's getting to the point where I am actually becoming attracted to Lesbians!!!--now that is really scary.
I know... let's propose a feminist article that deals with the Ultimate Feminist Question: Can someone be a Feminist Lesbian and Still Be Hot???

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Come on, like it's politically incorrect to be healthy??
Posted by: rclord on Nov 2, 2006 5:58 PM   
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Gee, I didn't realize it was politically incorrect to think for yourself, even if it is healthier for you. Congratulations, Ariel, for daring to follow such all-too-obvious common sense. Seriously, isn't it high time you not follow such mindless groupthink and had a mind of your own??

Like men don't also need to diet if they're overweight.

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Are seat-belts anti-feminist?
Posted by: H_H on Nov 2, 2006 7:13 PM   
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You may laugh at this question, but consider this: Seat-belts hold women back.

Who designed seat-belts any way? Men. That's right MEN. Whenever a man does anything, it's always done with the intention of restraining women. And you can't get more restraining than seat-belts.

And maybe Ralph Nader made "Unsafe at Any Speed" to get seat-belts standardized in cars. But he IS a man, and we all know men can't be trusted. No matter how "progressive" they may pretend to be. They're all out to protect their male privileges, and what better way can they preserve patriarchy by pretending to "protect" us women with "safety" devices?

And if it weren't for men-- who invented cars and traffic lights and built all the roads-- there'd be no car accidents at all, would there? There would be no NEED for seat-belts!

Typical patriarchal plot: create a problem for women and then "protect" us from it. Sounds like a mafia-style racket to me.

All real feminists should refuse to wear seat-belts. Won't you join me?

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» Now, now H_H Posted by: Aussie Kim
FAT!SO? author & weight diversity trainer
Posted by: marilynwann on Nov 5, 2006 11:02 AM   
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With this essay, Ms. Stallings prove herself to be a tool of The Man.

(Please understand, The Man is not any one man. I'm the kind of feminist who defines feminism as the radical notion that men are people, too!)

We live in a society that accords unearned privilege to people who are thin. We also live in a society that heaps mistreatment and discrimination and ostracism and sub-human status on fat people. Our government is conducting a self-righteous witch hunt on fat people right now.

I am fat. I am a witch. I stand in solidarity with all of the other groups of people who have been tied to that stake: women, queers, drug users, the poor, sex workers, people with disabilities, Jews, Muslims, people of color, basically everyone who isn't The Man. (And who is?)

Two of the primary unearned privileges that thin people get in our fat-hating society are the presumption of good health and the presumption of hotness.

Weight does not equal health.

If you look at me and see that I am fat, the only thing you can diagnose with any accuracy whatsoever is your own level of stereotype and prejudice against fat people.

Weight also does not equal hotness.

As I point out, above, there is a power dynamic in our society that tilts things so that goodies rain down on thin people and bad shit befalls fatties. Anyone who invests her own efforts into the current, narrow, weight-based definitions of sexual attraction or beauty is -- by definition -- a tool of The Man, in other words, a tool of an oppressive power system.

Feminism is a tool for becoming conscious of oppressive power systems and perhaps even dismantling them, or at the very least, divesting from them in one's own, personal words and actions and choices.

I don't read AlterNet, I'm too busy trying to create Body Liberation out in the real world. I heard about this essay from other people who monitor the web for fat hatred.

Ms. Stalling, I don't care what you weigh. I care that *you* care what you weigh. In so caring about your thin privilege, and in writing about your desire for thin privilege so publicly, you directly create more fat hatred and oppression for me to fight. Whether that's feminist or not, it's seriously uncool.

The Big Fat Lies on this issue are that people can choose what we weigh and that weight equates with health. Please don't try to justify your oppressive words and actions by using these lies. People naturally come in all shapes and sizes...always have, always will. Sure, people weigh more these days, under industrialization and the dumbing down of food sources. I'm pro-veg and pro-exercise! I'm also pro-weight diversity! We're 20 pounds heavier, two inches taller, and living 6 years longer than people in the 60s. We freak out about weight gain in this society, and not about the other changes, because we live during rampant fat oppression.

If you wish to enjoy and explore Body Liberation, I suggest...

FAT!SO? -- Because You Don't Have to Apologize for Your Size! by Marilyn Wann
Losing It: False Hopes and Fat Profits in the Diet Industry, by Laura Fraser
Big Big Love and Zaftig by Hanne Blank
Size Queen 'zine -- For Queen-Size Queers and Their Loyal Subjects, edited by Max Airborne and Cherry Midnight
The Obesity Myth -- How America's Obsession with Weight Is Hazardous to Your Health, by Paul Campos
Big Fat Lies: The Truth About Your Weight and Your Health, by Glenn Gaesser, PhD
Holistic Health, by Jon Robison, PhD

And my favorite fat feminist tome...
Fat Campo Commandoes, by Daniel Pinkwater

Long live Mavis Goldfarb, wherever she is in Outer Space!!!

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Neither feminism nor weight
Posted by: JesseBC on Nov 6, 2006 3:27 AM   
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This isn't an article about feminism or weight.

It's just an infomercial for Weight Watchers.

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Sirens AGAIN?
Posted by: HeidiLockwood on Nov 6, 2006 9:19 PM   
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"What's wrong with wanting to be healthy and look hot" is the same as "what's wrong with needing a man": nothing, except finding more moronic fluff like this on Alternet again, and from the same mag.

What gives, Alternet? You were asked this before - this time, please someone reply.

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Bizarre
Posted by: cjbk on Nov 7, 2006 10:20 AM   
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So where did you get this message:

"thinking about food = victim of patriarchy" again?

It doesn't seem that your mom gave you that message if she was just throwing away your scale and eschewing Barbie dolls.

And, WW doesn't care about your lifelong maintenance of weight loss. Believe me, I know. If you plateau on WW (a natural body process that often occurs) you still have to pay for weekly weigh ins or the privilege of using their online notebook. Explain that. Those are points about WW that are hardly discussed as everyone pats WW on the back.

WW also doesn't take your metabolism into account so while your coworker would be given 24 points at the same weight as you maybe you need more or less because of your metabolism.

Give your money to a sane qualified nutritionist (I'm not one but I see one). WW is about punishment when you get dirty looks from strangers or have to pay money because you're not at goal weight.

Open your eyes.

Eating less or decreasing your weight is not antifeminist but many of these organizations benefit from this patriarchal, anti-fat society.

Ever try to tell a WW leader that you want your healthy goal weight to be above a WW goal weight? They tell you that you're wrong.

Why did you have to mention WW in this entry? Please explain. This is not journalism. This is a commercial.

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Many dieters are feminists or male bashers or liberated or dominating or selfish.. or whatever you s
Posted by: vebulana on Nov 24, 2006 7:09 AM   
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Many women I know who do their best to look sexy are feminists, even if they are afraid to say they are. They all spend most their time at the salon and gym, even if they have kids. They all work outside the home and want to KEEP it that way. They may be feminine with their looks because they plastic themselves up, but the thing is they are not a bunch of sweeties who stay at home and care for kids and cook their hubby's fresh non-microwaved meals like some people think that those type of women do.

I think I prefer a little bit of dieting because I get sick as a dog if I eat too much nasty food. Sometimes I like to compete too..with other women. Hey I tell the truth at least. I know many many many other females out there are doing it more for this reason then for the pleasure of their man/men so don't lie!

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