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The End of the World As We Know It?
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And then there's a report by the Global Policy Forum, which, I gather, is a UN watchdog organization, about what's going on with Iraqi oil. Yes, the war is a disaster, but, at least as of last year, the west was moving ahead nicely in its expropriation of Iraqi oil. The ownership of the oil reserves has been public, but now the oil industry plans to use "production sharing agreements" to gain for itself the profits that otherwise would go to Iraqis.
To quote from the Global Policy paper (written by Greg Muttitt):
"It is difficult to overstate how radical a departure PSAs would be from normal practice, both in Iraq and in other comparable countries of the region. Iraq's oil industry has been in public hands since 1972; prior to that the rights to develop oil in 99.5% of the country had also been publicly held since 1961. In Iraq's neighbours Kuwait, Iran and Saudi Arabia, foreign control over oil development is ruled out by constitution or by national law. These countries together with Iraq are the world's top four countries in terms of oil reserves, with 51% of the world total between them... Countries with reserves the size of Iraq's do not use PSAs because they do not need to and are able to run their oil industries on far more beneficial terms... Unfortunately the Iraqi people have not been informed of the pro-PSA oil development plans, let alone their implications, which have transformed so seamlessly from US State Department recommendations into Iraqi government policy."According to Muttitt, if oil were selling at $40 per barrel (ha ha), Iraq would hand profits of between $74 billion and $194 billion over to the oil companies.
Bear with me here. In yesterday's New York Times' better-late- than-never editorial, about how possibly to get out of Iraq, it is suggested that Americans should renounce permanent bases there -- "The people in Iraq and across the Middle East need a strong sign that the troops are not there to further any American imperial agenda." Oh, yes -- war for oil. It all comes clear now.
Part Two
Once upon a time, there was a man named Dick Cheney. He was a contemptuous, selfish, snarling, secretive, bullying sort of man who thought he was very smart, and he had a bunch of cronies whom we shall call "Pnackers". Dick and the Pnackers sometimes liked money more than power and sometimes liked power more than money, but most of the time they liked both equally, and, more than that, they thought they were entitled to both power and money because they were white male Americans and because they were corporate capitalists and other people had been sucking up to them for as long as they could remember. Unfortunately, Dick and the Pnackers were themselves so abysmally unattractive that in order to get elected, and thereby get their hands on the biggest military and the biggest cache of weapons in the world, Dick had to find himself a useful but controllable idiot, preferably one who was entirely corrupt, and came from an entirely corrupt family. He didn't have far to seek.
Pretty soon, Dick, the Pnackers, and, sometimes, little George himself, came up with a plan. The steps of the plan were as follows:
1. Assure their own "election" by any means possible, including denying the vote to registered voters, announcing results early in the count, blocking recounts, and buying off cronies on the Supreme Court.
2. Use flyovers to provoke the guy who no one liked and who owned the big oil reserves.
3. Panic the nation's energy users by engineering a fake "shortage" on the power grid in the largest state in the union. Deny absolutely that conservation works (even though it does).
4. Either provoke or take advantage of a planned attack on American soil that would provide defensive cover for the theft of the oil reserves.
5. Start a pretend war of retaliation against one country (Afghanistan) as a way of mobilizing the troops and the populace, while planning a much bigger war somewhere else (Iraq) for the real purpose of getting the oil.
6. Deny the reality of climate change at every opportunity in order to protect the value of the oil, and reduce, prevent, or slow down any shift from oil to other energy technologies.
7. Use public relations (aka "lying") to terrorize the voters about threats from organizations that are, at most, moderately dangerous to some targets and, at least, gangs of kids with big mouths, no money, and no equipment.
8. Gut the Constitution in order to protect themselves and threaten their enemies.
9. Seamlessly install the oil barons in Iraq.
10. Live forever (hazmat suit necessary, but a small price to pay.)
Once upon a time, Dick, little George, and the Pnackers were indifferent to many things -- to the welfare of other humans (indifferent when they weren't actively hostile), to the health and well-being of the natural world, and especially to not only knowledge but truth. Was the source of their indifference mere ignorance? Active malevolence? A sense of entitlement as "Americans"? as white people? as men? Who knows? But whatever the source, they were proud and protective of it, and they actively cultivated it.
Their plan didn't work. It was a bad plan that underestimated the difficulty, and the cost, of every single step, and also underestimated the gullibility of the hapless world-citizens who were the intended suckers. It was a bad plan because it was not based on any knowledge of how the world of humans and the natural world actually work.
Part Three
The lies, cheats, and crimes Dick, George, and the Pnackers have committed have done what all lies, cheats, and crimes do -- they have led to more and more lies, cheats, and crimes, and now the misconceived nature of the whole enterprise is apparent to all. It doesn't matter at this point if they manage to steal the mid-term election this year or not. Iraq is such a mess that even Dick's friends and allies can't think of a way to save it or to clean it up. The Iraqis, I am sorry to say, have to pay the price, but at least they know who's to blame.
But to get back to Lovelock, horrible as it is, Iraq is not the point, Iraq is only the canary in the mine, giving voice to the coming cataclysm. Not even the US is the point, although since 1980, the Republicans have been pandering to the greedy appetites of Americans for driving big vehicles, arming themselves, and thinking themselves superior to everyone in the world. They have egged Americans on to destroying the world's environment for the sake of more and more goods, and now America is in big trouble. But empires come and go. Get over it.
What is the point is human survival. If Americans had started taking the meaning of oil dependence seriously in 1977, when Jimmy Carter asked us to, or had not ridiculed the idea of climate change in 1992, when Al Gore brought it up, we might have gotten a start by this time in reducing emissions, we might not be looking at one horrific disaster paving the way for another.
But we are. There aren't many tyrants in history who can truthfully say they put the entire future of civilization at risk just to make a buck and feel the power, but Dick Cheney and the Pnackers can. So here's a word to the 200 million who will someday be left: Good luck, and it was these guys who pulled the trigger.
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Posted by: moflard on Oct 28, 2006 12:17 AM
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Is it possible that one of the reasone the USA has done nothing about this threat is the fact that both Europe and China, the USA's main rivals, would suffer more from Climate Change through having massive borders impossible to maintain? Is it possible that the USA is attempting to use Climate Change as a new weapon to guarantee their Thousand Year Reich?
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Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 28, 2006 12:44 AM
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Yes, folks, 9/11 truth staring y'all right in the face, again.
And it's not just about oil, but also about keeping the U.S. dollar as the dominant currency of foreign exchange.
Take a look, it's all there for any open-minded person to see.
If you only read one book this fall, make it this one:
9/11: Synthetic Terror Made in USA by Webster G. Tarpley
Don't panic, brothers and sisters, we can still get through this, we just have to prepare by:
1) Creating local community resources, especially for fresh food and a reliable water supply,
2) Decreasing our use of energy, especially oil,
3) Engaging in, and thus strengthening, local community government/politics so that the infrastructure is in place to deal with the coming crisis,
4) Always appeal to the better natures of your neighbors, do not give in to fear and ignorance.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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Posted by: JP2 on Oct 28, 2006 1:35 AM
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My feeling is that there is a superior agenda in the cards, which is the reason why the elite in the background (bankers, corporations, international organizations and so forth) has supported these criminals in charge. They are assigned to the last step in the reaction against individual liberties, which is necessary to corporate fascism in order to finally have its perfect world set: one narrow elite who owns everything (the land, the workforce, the energy, the food, the technology, the police-states) and a large mass of slaves without any rights left, scared and numbed down.
In other words the end of the boring, too much free, unpredictable and educated middle-class.
Anyway, I liked the point 4) you made: "Either provoke or take advantage of a planned attack on American soil that would provide defensive cover for the theft of the oil reserves"
I think this point is important because it is so outrageous it may really wake up people from their televisual stupor. A new 9/11 investigation is a must, now, before is too late.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 28, 2006 3:56 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, that day just can't come soon enough. Look on the bright sine of things: it will make the impeachment of the First Fool a whole hell of alot more palatable. Not that Cheney's ever going to be president of the United States, you understand. If the democrats regain control of both houses of Congress on the seventh of November, it is well to remember that both he and Bush are guilty of some serious crimes. And, in a strange kind of way, Cheney's death - again, from natural causes, guys! - will be a blessing for him. It will enable him to avoid the very, very long prison sentence that Bush and many members of what is inaruably the most criminal administration in American history will end up serving. Of this I have no doubt.
Would it be a federal offence to send a Tripple Whopper with cheese to the vice-president's residence? Just wondering.
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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» RE: Question: When Is Dick Cheney Going To Die?
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» Sorry, Tom, he is already dead. He just forgot to lay down. LOL
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» Aright, Here's How We Do It!!!
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» Dancing in the street!
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» Then VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBANTS and the message will be received. Thats if the elections aren't.....
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» Excuse me??? Don't worry about rigged elections, rather make both parties serve the people????
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» RE: xcuse me??? Don't worry about rigged elections, rather make both parties serve the people????
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» RE: xcuse me??? Don't worry about rigged elections, rather make both parties serve the people????
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» Lincoln, I like you but really, IF THE ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED even that threat you propose won't work!
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» As Johnny Cochran would say, "If the elections are rigged the people are frigged!".
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"The People should not be afraid of their government;
The government should be afraid of the People."
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Posted by: mite on Oct 28, 2006 7:57 AM
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Diogenes was a Greek philosopher, teacher and founder of the creed called Cynicism. (c.412-323 B.C.) He taught by example; Diogenes said " all should live naturally, for what is natural is normal and cannot possibly be evil or shameful. Live without conventions, which are artificial and false, escape
complexities and superfluities and extravagances: only so you can live free. The rich man believes he possesses his big house, bank accounts and other means materialism. He does not. He depends on them, he wories about them, he spends most of his life's energy looking after them; the thought of losing them makes him sick with anxiety. They possess him. He is their slave. He has sold the only true lasting good, his independence."
...an excessive desire for liberty at the expense of everything else is what undermines democracy and leads to the demand
for tyranny. -Plato-
If the people really cared about their fellow man and Earth, they would control their appetites (greed, procreation, etc.) so that they would not have to operate on a credit and welfare social system which steals from the worker to satify the bum.
All of us in the industialize world are guilty of this but only a few admit it. Don't get me wrong; I know the truth is hard to accept but not everyones at fault. Only those of us who know the truth and do nothing.
I thank-you Jane for your article and hope it creates a question or two in us to examine the issues and our responsibilty. The truth- all of us and our Government- is to blame for the positions we have allowed our country and the rest of the world to become. We allowed our nation to be controlled by private big banks, (Federal Reserve) United Nations, Internationl Companies and Secet Societies.
Our Congress takes an Oath along with other elected officials but fail to honor this Oath and we keep electing the same system in. (Demorcat-Republican) If we the people would stop our own greed long enough to look at this Government, we would see it has nothing to do with "We the People" only Banks and IOU's.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 28, 2006 8:15 AM
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Take a look at the new push for biological and nuclear weapons research and production under Cheney. The pharma companies and nuclear engineering firms just see it as a way to make a lot of money, and they don't even think about the potential consequences - nuclear armageddon and plagues of genetically-engineered smallpox, for example.
Are the heads of governments and industry really that short-sighted, stupid and arrogant? Yes they are! Just look at the record of kings down the years - surrounded by hordes of nodding yes-men (like Rumsfeld) and believing in their own infallibility, they've always led their countries into the pit.
It makes one wonder if a large brain is really an evolutionary dead end.
If you give a damn about what kind of world your kids and grandkids inherit, get rid of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice - and don't let the nuclear-fossil fuel-pharma-military complex continue to run the world. By the way - that means taking a look at what and who your pension fund and bank is investing in. Strident 'liberals' who invest in Big Pharma are a classic example of this rubric.
Speaking of yes-men, check out the brilliant Yes-Men activists: Yes-Men Taunt Halliburton
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» RE: The planet can get along just fine without us; save the humans!
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» It's nothing to do with a large brain in particular.
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» Would you please expound on that "taking you away" part????
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"Mite" says that Plato and Diogenes said it best. I fear that we cannot have it both ways.
Locked in our fearful ideological cages, we are truly well advised to pay heed to the ancients. We should, however, get it right. To object (as I must) that Antisthenes, not Diogenes, was the founder of Cynicism is (I admit) merely pedantry. In East Jesus, Kansas, no one really cares. To insist that we remember that Plato and Diogenes were fierce opponents is important, however, for if we do not remember our history, we are condemned to repeat it and all that).
We should especially recall that Plato and his mentor, Socrates, originated the concept of the "big lie," which Hitler and Goebbels used so effectively almost 2500 years after those egregious Greeks had turned to dust. Plato was the quintessential proto-fascist and Socrates, who is hilariously known as a martyr to free speech, was little better than a Spartan fifth columnist seeking relentlessly to undermine Athenian democracy, such as it was.
Diogenes, on the other hand, was a master on the bon mot, a true advocate of personal liberty and a plague upon the powerful, the hypocritical and the wilfully ignorant in his (or any) society. No wonder Plato called him "a Socrates gone mad!" Diogenes had clearly demonstrated that Socrates was not a "gadfly"; he was a horse's ass.
We would do well to rehabilitate the concept of large-C "Cynicism" (not the small "c" cynicism that is commonly associated with the hideous combination of greed and misanthropy in our much depleted language and betokens our current state of cultural illiteracy). Were we to think like Diogenes , we would not only see through the lies that the authorities propagate and seem to embody, but we would do so without fear, for we would know that we can "handle the truth" and that "the truth will make us free".
Were we to become emancipated, generous and self-reliant, Cynics would surely prevail over authoritarian and plutocratic world and local leaders - or we would at least be able to beat the heck out of Bush and Cheney in an apocalyptic round of "Jeopardy"!
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Posted by: edith on Oct 28, 2006 9:31 AM
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s emissions.
Is Smiley's reliance on one writer's estimate of a five to eight degree increase in temperature irratiional? I don't know, and neither does anyone else, scientists included. It is important that some consensus be reached on what the acceleration, if any, of warming will be in the next few years. Resources diversion to address new kinds of energy production and conservation are in order, but how much to do without causing mass unemployment, social unrest and even war not an easy question. Do we really know the scope of the problem of the human component in warming as contrasted with the Nature component about which we can do very little.
I will read the forthcoming NY Review of Books article with interest and will await the response of climate scientists(not the general science community) to judge the relevance and accuracy of the drastic changes predicted by Smiley on the basis of this one source.
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» Fencesitting At The Center Of The Universe
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» sittin in the center of the universe and watching nothing go by
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» Perhaps it's more important what we DO about it...?
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» we can in the meantime...
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Oct 28, 2006 9:36 AM
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The crimes of this administration MUST be investigated in order for all to see just what we have lost, so we can begin back down the road of open democracy.
A new movement called "CONGRATULATIONS DEMOCRATS NOW DO YOUR JOB" is doing just that. See:
www.CongratulationsDemocratsNOWdoYourJob.com
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» Miracle Cure for cheney Saves the World?
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» Miracle Cure for cheney Saves the World?
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Oct 28, 2006 2:02 PM
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There's a passage in Bob Woodward's "State of Denial" in which he describes a group of Iraqi women visiting the Oval Office shortly after the fall of Baghdad. One woman speaks an Arabic word, and when the translator tells Bush that it means "liberator," he breaks down and cries. So I ask you (because I really can't decide): is it indicative of congenital idiocy or of serious emotional pathology when an habitual, adroit liar starts believing his own bullshit?
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Posted by: redgreenbrown on Oct 28, 2006 2:33 PM
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Planetary life systems will rebound after a few million years, but humans, pah! Expendable for a quick buck. Ask Dickhead Cheney and his sneering cronies for further details if you are confused. They figure they can go to mars or the moon, that technology will save them but if there is a god(ess) they are only going one way and that is down.
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» A bit of modesty would be in order, dont you think?
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» Has the human race really contributed NOTHING of value?
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Posted by: Soco on Oct 28, 2006 7:23 PM
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Cheney and his cohorts will bring about their own destruction. It's built-in to their methodology. They cannot suceed because their logic is flawed and self-serving. Look into the symbol of the Tao, darkness turns to light. Note the left side has an element of light within it.
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Posted by: wake_up_america on Oct 28, 2006 8:27 PM
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Posted by: Wildlander on Oct 29, 2006 2:00 PM
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Gore has done much to educate the public on global warming but he utterly fails when he suggests that the earth will survive us.
The facts are before you. But it seems everyone still wants to stick their head in the sand. We are losing the ozone layer. We are LOSING OUR ATMOSPHERE!
And only a complete idiot and a fool would suggest life would continue without it.
You all know we are having an influence on our atmosphere. And if we lose it, the earth WILL become another Mars.
Plain and simple.
Without an atmosphere.
Without life.
The earth will just be another rock and dust spinning around is space.
So please, quite your bambi-like gaia syndrome thinking of a future that does not exist. We either fix it now or we screw it up for everyone and everthing....
EVERY LIVING THING.
I am an ecologist and while I praise Gore for what he has done, I think he is a fool to understate the consequences.
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Oct 29, 2006 2:52 PM
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Who would have thought that the current white house administartion would be a pack of thieves & imbiciles. Is it beacuse all their intellegent planners previously in the white house have now left the building?
Even worse those who were only half-smart were probably asked to leave/resign as they have been deemed disruptive to the all-out process of corruption, greed & deception. Only those endowed with the qualities of a smart planner would have 'seen' this coming, and they split......
So the obvious consequence is that any intellegent people in the white house have already gone. That says mountains about how stupid (& extremely corrupt) Dick Cheney really is. Not only is he contemptuous, selfish, snarling, secretive, & bullying he has no concept of staffing for 'good forward planning". He has surronded himself with other stupid political cronies. Eventually enough backs will be stabbed. The captain will soon have no seaworthy sailors & the good ship america will crash, sink, explode or all or these....
Are you a passenger or a patriot?
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Posted by: punkbuster on Oct 29, 2006 8:27 PM
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Remember that one of the first no bid contracts for the military that Halliburton got - was for KOSOVO under CLINTON.
I guess the question is for you ultra lefties is this-
Has America been the root of all evil ALWAYS or just when Bush became president? Just when did we start killing the world? And if we are what country is the answer? Russia, China (sic). Or is it world tribunal no borders no antiquated religion, the REAL new world order. (sounds very biblical to me- read Revelations and you will see outline thoroughly a future one world government that has no "religion".)
While I agree with the needfor recycling and a change of lifestyle, it is wrong to completely blame America for anything. Like it or not this is paradise on earth- you are all free to move to any "Peoples Republic" on earth that you would like.
I know I am a neandrathal and I need to be "cleansed" of my impure thoughts so that i can be a good world citizen so that we can have a future of hope. But alas I will stumble on in my ignorance, rely on you brilliant secular atheists to save me. And hope for the day that the criminals in the white house get booted out and put up before a world tribunal for their crimes of making it possible for girls to go to school in Afghanistan and for people to speak their minds freely in Iraq without the secret police coming to rape their daughters and take the fathers and brothers away to prison (forget the Shiite/Sunni violence of today- that is not our fault- simply two factions who have fought for centuries, we are not going to stop that. If we give them the opportunity to be free and they dont take it and shoot themselves in the foot- then let them kill each other).
Oh and like it or not oil is the "grease" of modern society - like it or not- it makes the bikes you ride, the batteries in your cars and the computers you blah-g on, like it or not I want wars to guarantee the free flow of oil.
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Posted by: GVon on Oct 30, 2006 12:48 AM
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But what I just started to realize is the time scale involved here. With everything that's happened so far, such as the government promoting torture and talking in double-speak, and the Military Commissions Act, it's starting to become clear to me that the transition is almost complete. The final phase will likely be within the next two years.
The final phase will look something like this: there will be some sort of nationwide disaster, necessitating a "temporary" state of martial law to restore order. From that point on, there will be no going back to the way things were.
I don't think Americans can depend on the Democrats to help us either. In the 2004 election, the Democrats failed to contest the widespread election irregularities, effectively turning their back on democracy and siding with the neo-conservatives. They try so hard to appeal to our crowd, to convince us that they are on our side, but when it counts the most they side with the neocons. They are another half of the same entity, the department meant to fool the more thoughtful and intelligent citizens into trusting them, while the neocons do the rest.
I really hope that I'm wrong, and that the next two elections will actually change things. But we are using the same voting machines as last time. And even if the Democrats do somehow take back congress or win the presidential election, it will all be for nothing if the President declares martial law, giving him even more power then he has now, mobilizing the military to suppress those who resist, perhaps even refusing to step down "until order is restored to the country" (meaning indefinitely).
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Posted by: moflard on Oct 28, 2006 12:17 AM
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Is it possible that one of the reasone the USA has done nothing about this threat is the fact that both Europe and China, the USA's main rivals, would suffer more from Climate Change through having massive borders impossible to maintain? Is it possible that the USA is attempting to use Climate Change as a new weapon to guarantee their Thousand Year Reich?
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Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 28, 2006 12:44 AM
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Yes, folks, 9/11 truth staring y'all right in the face, again.
And it's not just about oil, but also about keeping the U.S. dollar as the dominant currency of foreign exchange.
Take a look, it's all there for any open-minded person to see.
If you only read one book this fall, make it this one:
9/11: Synthetic Terror Made in USA by Webster G. Tarpley
Don't panic, brothers and sisters, we can still get through this, we just have to prepare by:
1) Creating local community resources, especially for fresh food and a reliable water supply,
2) Decreasing our use of energy, especially oil,
3) Engaging in, and thus strengthening, local community government/politics so that the infrastructure is in place to deal with the coming crisis,
4) Always appeal to the better natures of your neighbors, do not give in to fear and ignorance.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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Posted by: JP2 on Oct 28, 2006 1:35 AM
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My feeling is that there is a superior agenda in the cards, which is the reason why the elite in the background (bankers, corporations, international organizations and so forth) has supported these criminals in charge. They are assigned to the last step in the reaction against individual liberties, which is necessary to corporate fascism in order to finally have its perfect world set: one narrow elite who owns everything (the land, the workforce, the energy, the food, the technology, the police-states) and a large mass of slaves without any rights left, scared and numbed down.
In other words the end of the boring, too much free, unpredictable and educated middle-class.
Anyway, I liked the point 4) you made: "Either provoke or take advantage of a planned attack on American soil that would provide defensive cover for the theft of the oil reserves"
I think this point is important because it is so outrageous it may really wake up people from their televisual stupor. A new 9/11 investigation is a must, now, before is too late.
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As far as I'm concerned, that day just can't come soon enough. Look on the bright sine of things: it will make the impeachment of the First Fool a whole hell of alot more palatable. Not that Cheney's ever going to be president of the United States, you understand. If the democrats regain control of both houses of Congress on the seventh of November, it is well to remember that both he and Bush are guilty of some serious crimes. And, in a strange kind of way, Cheney's death - again, from natural causes, guys! - will be a blessing for him. It will enable him to avoid the very, very long prison sentence that Bush and many members of what is inaruably the most criminal administration in American history will end up serving. Of this I have no doubt.
Would it be a federal offence to send a Tripple Whopper with cheese to the vice-president's residence? Just wondering.
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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» Lincoln, I like you but really, IF THE ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED even that threat you propose won't work!
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"The People should not be afraid of their government;
The government should be afraid of the People."
"V" (?)
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Posted by: mite on Oct 28, 2006 7:57 AM
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Diogenes was a Greek philosopher, teacher and founder of the creed called Cynicism. (c.412-323 B.C.) He taught by example; Diogenes said " all should live naturally, for what is natural is normal and cannot possibly be evil or shameful. Live without conventions, which are artificial and false, escape
complexities and superfluities and extravagances: only so you can live free. The rich man believes he possesses his big house, bank accounts and other means materialism. He does not. He depends on them, he wories about them, he spends most of his life's energy looking after them; the thought of losing them makes him sick with anxiety. They possess him. He is their slave. He has sold the only true lasting good, his independence."
...an excessive desire for liberty at the expense of everything else is what undermines democracy and leads to the demand
for tyranny. -Plato-
If the people really cared about their fellow man and Earth, they would control their appetites (greed, procreation, etc.) so that they would not have to operate on a credit and welfare social system which steals from the worker to satify the bum.
All of us in the industialize world are guilty of this but only a few admit it. Don't get me wrong; I know the truth is hard to accept but not everyones at fault. Only those of us who know the truth and do nothing.
I thank-you Jane for your article and hope it creates a question or two in us to examine the issues and our responsibilty. The truth- all of us and our Government- is to blame for the positions we have allowed our country and the rest of the world to become. We allowed our nation to be controlled by private big banks, (Federal Reserve) United Nations, Internationl Companies and Secet Societies.
Our Congress takes an Oath along with other elected officials but fail to honor this Oath and we keep electing the same system in. (Demorcat-Republican) If we the people would stop our own greed long enough to look at this Government, we would see it has nothing to do with "We the People" only Banks and IOU's.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 28, 2006 8:15 AM
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Take a look at the new push for biological and nuclear weapons research and production under Cheney. The pharma companies and nuclear engineering firms just see it as a way to make a lot of money, and they don't even think about the potential consequences - nuclear armageddon and plagues of genetically-engineered smallpox, for example.
Are the heads of governments and industry really that short-sighted, stupid and arrogant? Yes they are! Just look at the record of kings down the years - surrounded by hordes of nodding yes-men (like Rumsfeld) and believing in their own infallibility, they've always led their countries into the pit.
It makes one wonder if a large brain is really an evolutionary dead end.
If you give a damn about what kind of world your kids and grandkids inherit, get rid of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice - and don't let the nuclear-fossil fuel-pharma-military complex continue to run the world. By the way - that means taking a look at what and who your pension fund and bank is investing in. Strident 'liberals' who invest in Big Pharma are a classic example of this rubric.
Speaking of yes-men, check out the brilliant Yes-Men activists: Yes-Men Taunt Halliburton
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Posted by: goodsensecynic on Oct 28, 2006 9:30 AM
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"Mite" says that Plato and Diogenes said it best. I fear that we cannot have it both ways.
Locked in our fearful ideological cages, we are truly well advised to pay heed to the ancients. We should, however, get it right. To object (as I must) that Antisthenes, not Diogenes, was the founder of Cynicism is (I admit) merely pedantry. In East Jesus, Kansas, no one really cares. To insist that we remember that Plato and Diogenes were fierce opponents is important, however, for if we do not remember our history, we are condemned to repeat it and all that).
We should especially recall that Plato and his mentor, Socrates, originated the concept of the "big lie," which Hitler and Goebbels used so effectively almost 2500 years after those egregious Greeks had turned to dust. Plato was the quintessential proto-fascist and Socrates, who is hilariously known as a martyr to free speech, was little better than a Spartan fifth columnist seeking relentlessly to undermine Athenian democracy, such as it was.
Diogenes, on the other hand, was a master on the bon mot, a true advocate of personal liberty and a plague upon the powerful, the hypocritical and the wilfully ignorant in his (or any) society. No wonder Plato called him "a Socrates gone mad!" Diogenes had clearly demonstrated that Socrates was not a "gadfly"; he was a horse's ass.
We would do well to rehabilitate the concept of large-C "Cynicism" (not the small "c" cynicism that is commonly associated with the hideous combination of greed and misanthropy in our much depleted language and betokens our current state of cultural illiteracy). Were we to think like Diogenes , we would not only see through the lies that the authorities propagate and seem to embody, but we would do so without fear, for we would know that we can "handle the truth" and that "the truth will make us free".
Were we to become emancipated, generous and self-reliant, Cynics would surely prevail over authoritarian and plutocratic world and local leaders - or we would at least be able to beat the heck out of Bush and Cheney in an apocalyptic round of "Jeopardy"!
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s emissions.
Is Smiley's reliance on one writer's estimate of a five to eight degree increase in temperature irratiional? I don't know, and neither does anyone else, scientists included. It is important that some consensus be reached on what the acceleration, if any, of warming will be in the next few years. Resources diversion to address new kinds of energy production and conservation are in order, but how much to do without causing mass unemployment, social unrest and even war not an easy question. Do we really know the scope of the problem of the human component in warming as contrasted with the Nature component about which we can do very little.
I will read the forthcoming NY Review of Books article with interest and will await the response of climate scientists(not the general science community) to judge the relevance and accuracy of the drastic changes predicted by Smiley on the basis of this one source.
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Oct 28, 2006 9:36 AM
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The crimes of this administration MUST be investigated in order for all to see just what we have lost, so we can begin back down the road of open democracy.
A new movement called "CONGRATULATIONS DEMOCRATS NOW DO YOUR JOB" is doing just that. See:
www.CongratulationsDemocratsNOWdoYourJob.com
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There's a passage in Bob Woodward's "State of Denial" in which he describes a group of Iraqi women visiting the Oval Office shortly after the fall of Baghdad. One woman speaks an Arabic word, and when the translator tells Bush that it means "liberator," he breaks down and cries. So I ask you (because I really can't decide): is it indicative of congenital idiocy or of serious emotional pathology when an habitual, adroit liar starts believing his own bullshit?
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Planetary life systems will rebound after a few million years, but humans, pah! Expendable for a quick buck. Ask Dickhead Cheney and his sneering cronies for further details if you are confused. They figure they can go to mars or the moon, that technology will save them but if there is a god(ess) they are only going one way and that is down.
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Posted by: Soco on Oct 28, 2006 7:23 PM
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Cheney and his cohorts will bring about their own destruction. It's built-in to their methodology. They cannot suceed because their logic is flawed and self-serving. Look into the symbol of the Tao, darkness turns to light. Note the left side has an element of light within it.
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Posted by: wake_up_america on Oct 28, 2006 8:27 PM
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Posted by: Wildlander on Oct 29, 2006 2:00 PM
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Gore has done much to educate the public on global warming but he utterly fails when he suggests that the earth will survive us.
The facts are before you. But it seems everyone still wants to stick their head in the sand. We are losing the ozone layer. We are LOSING OUR ATMOSPHERE!
And only a complete idiot and a fool would suggest life would continue without it.
You all know we are having an influence on our atmosphere. And if we lose it, the earth WILL become another Mars.
Plain and simple.
Without an atmosphere.
Without life.
The earth will just be another rock and dust spinning around is space.
So please, quite your bambi-like gaia syndrome thinking of a future that does not exist. We either fix it now or we screw it up for everyone and everthing....
EVERY LIVING THING.
I am an ecologist and while I praise Gore for what he has done, I think he is a fool to understate the consequences.
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Oct 29, 2006 2:52 PM
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Who would have thought that the current white house administartion would be a pack of thieves & imbiciles. Is it beacuse all their intellegent planners previously in the white house have now left the building?
Even worse those who were only half-smart were probably asked to leave/resign as they have been deemed disruptive to the all-out process of corruption, greed & deception. Only those endowed with the qualities of a smart planner would have 'seen' this coming, and they split......
So the obvious consequence is that any intellegent people in the white house have already gone. That says mountains about how stupid (& extremely corrupt) Dick Cheney really is. Not only is he contemptuous, selfish, snarling, secretive, & bullying he has no concept of staffing for 'good forward planning". He has surronded himself with other stupid political cronies. Eventually enough backs will be stabbed. The captain will soon have no seaworthy sailors & the good ship america will crash, sink, explode or all or these....
Are you a passenger or a patriot?
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Posted by: punkbuster on Oct 29, 2006 8:27 PM
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Remember that one of the first no bid contracts for the military that Halliburton got - was for KOSOVO under CLINTON.
I guess the question is for you ultra lefties is this-
Has America been the root of all evil ALWAYS or just when Bush became president? Just when did we start killing the world? And if we are what country is the answer? Russia, China (sic). Or is it world tribunal no borders no antiquated religion, the REAL new world order. (sounds very biblical to me- read Revelations and you will see outline thoroughly a future one world government that has no "religion".)
While I agree with the needfor recycling and a change of lifestyle, it is wrong to completely blame America for anything. Like it or not this is paradise on earth- you are all free to move to any "Peoples Republic" on earth that you would like.
I know I am a neandrathal and I need to be "cleansed" of my impure thoughts so that i can be a good world citizen so that we can have a future of hope. But alas I will stumble on in my ignorance, rely on you brilliant secular atheists to save me. And hope for the day that the criminals in the white house get booted out and put up before a world tribunal for their crimes of making it possible for girls to go to school in Afghanistan and for people to speak their minds freely in Iraq without the secret police coming to rape their daughters and take the fathers and brothers away to prison (forget the Shiite/Sunni violence of today- that is not our fault- simply two factions who have fought for centuries, we are not going to stop that. If we give them the opportunity to be free and they dont take it and shoot themselves in the foot- then let them kill each other).
Oh and like it or not oil is the "grease" of modern society - like it or not- it makes the bikes you ride, the batteries in your cars and the computers you blah-g on, like it or not I want wars to guarantee the free flow of oil.
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Posted by: GVon on Oct 30, 2006 12:48 AM
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But what I just started to realize is the time scale involved here. With everything that's happened so far, such as the government promoting torture and talking in double-speak, and the Military Commissions Act, it's starting to become clear to me that the transition is almost complete. The final phase will likely be within the next two years.
The final phase will look something like this: there will be some sort of nationwide disaster, necessitating a "temporary" state of martial law to restore order. From that point on, there will be no going back to the way things were.
I don't think Americans can depend on the Democrats to help us either. In the 2004 election, the Democrats failed to contest the widespread election irregularities, effectively turning their back on democracy and siding with the neo-conservatives. They try so hard to appeal to our crowd, to convince us that they are on our side, but when it counts the most they side with the neocons. They are another half of the same entity, the department meant to fool the more thoughtful and intelligent citizens into trusting them, while the neocons do the rest.
I really hope that I'm wrong, and that the next two elections will actually change things. But we are using the same voting machines as last time. And even if the Democrats do somehow take back congress or win the presidential election, it will all be for nothing if the President declares martial law, giving him even more power then he has now, mobilizing the military to suppress those who resist, perhaps even refusing to step down "until order is restored to the country" (meaning indefinitely).
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