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President George W. Bush has flogged the same theme in lashing Democrats who favor a military withdrawal from Iraq.
"If we were to follow the Democrats' prescriptions and withdraw from Iraq, we would be fulfilling Osama bin Laden's highest aspirations," Bush said at an Oct. 19 campaign speech in La Plume, Pennsylvania. "We should at least be able to agree that the path to victory is not to do precisely what the terrorists want."
But these appeals from the RNC and Bush ignore U.S. intelligence information indicating that what al-Qaeda really wants is for the United States to remain bogged down in Iraq so the terrorist band can use the American occupation to recruit and train a new generation of jihadists, who can then be deployed against targets outside Iraq.
In effect, Bush and bin Laden share a common goal in Iraq. They both want U.S. forces to "stay the course."
Recently disclosed internal al-Qaeda communiqués make clear that bin Laden's terrorist band is counting on a long-term U.S. occupation of Iraq to build its movement.
In a letter, dated Dec. 11, 2005, a senior al-Qaeda operative known as "Atiyah" lectured the then-leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, on the necessity of taking a long view and building ties with elements of the Sunni-led Iraqi insurgency who have little in common with al-Qaeda except hatred of the Americans.
Atiyah told Zarqawi that "the most important thing is that the jihad continues with steadfastness and firm rooting, and that it grows in terms of supporters, strength, clarity of justification, and visible proof each day. Indeed, prolonging the war is in our interest." [Emphasis added.]
The "Atiyah letter" -- like a previously intercepted message attributed to al-Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman Zawahiri -- suggests that a U.S. military pullout in 2005 or earlier would have been disastrous for al-Qaeda's militants in Iraq, which are estimated at only about 5 to 10 percent of the anti-U.S. fighters.
Without the U.S. military presence to serve as a rallying cry and a unifying force, the al-Qaeda contingent faced disintegration from desertions and attacks from Iraqi insurgents who resented the wanton bloodshed committed by Zarqawi's non-Iraqi terrorists.
The "Zawahiri letter," which was dated July 9, 2005, said a rapid American military withdrawal could have caused the foreign jihadists, who had flocked to Iraq to battle the Americans, to simply give up the fight and go home.
"The mujahaddin must not have their mission end with the expulsion of the Americans from Iraq, and then lay down their weapons, and silence the fighting zeal," said the "Zawahiri letter," according to a text released by the U.S. Director of National Intelligence.
The "Atiyah letter," which was discovered by U.S. authorities at the time of Zarqawi's death on June 7, 2006, and was translated by the U.S. military's Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, also stressed the vulnerability of al-Qaeda's position in Iraq and the need to buy time.
"Know that we, like all mujahaddin, are still weak," Atiyah told Zarqawi. "We have not yet reached a level of stability. We have no alternative but to not squander any element of the foundations of strength or any helper or supporter."
Into al-Qaeda's hands
So, by extending the U.S. occupation of Iraq -- rather than looking for an early exit -- Bush has played into al-Qaeda's hands. Indeed, looking back over Bush's almost six years in office, his actions -- or some might say his blunders -- have repeatedly benefited bin Laden's strategies.
Not only did Bush fail to react to U.S. intelligence warnings about the 9/11 attacks, he then failed to finish off bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders in the battle of Tora Bora in December 2001.
Then, with al-Qaeda needing a respite, Bush shifted American focus to attack the secular government of Iraq, one of al-Qaeda's regional enemies. That bought time for al-Qaeda to regroup, recover and reorganize.
But the biggest boon for al-Qaeda was Bush's invasion of Iraq in March 2003, which served as a major recruiting tool for Islamic radicals. The U.S. National Intelligence Estimate, written in April 2006, confirmed this fact, calling the Iraq War the "cause celebre" that spread militancy throughout the Muslim world.
Bin Laden also reciprocated, providing a crucial political boost to Bush in the final days of Campaign 2004.
On Oct. 29, 2004, with Bush in a tough fight for a second term, bin Laden took the extraordinary personal risk to break nearly a year of silence and release a videotape that superficially denounced Bush but was interpreted by CIA analysts as a backdoor way to help Bush win.
"Bin Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the President," said deputy CIA director John McLaughlin in opening a meeting to review secret "strategic analysis" after the videotape had dominated the day's news, according to Ron Suskind's The One Percent Doctrine, which draws heavily from CIA insiders.
Suskind wrote that CIA analysts had spent years "parsing each expressed word of the al-Qaeda leader and his deputy, Zawahiri. What they'd learned over nearly a decade is that bin Laden speaks only for strategic reasons. … Today's conclusion: bin Laden's message was clearly designed to assist the President's reelection."
Jami Miscik, CIA deputy associate director for intelligence, expressed the consensus view that bin Laden recognized how Bush's heavy-handed policies -- such as the Guantanamo prison camp, the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal and the war in Iraq -- were serving al-Qaeda's strategic goals for recruiting a new generation of jihadists.
"Certainly," Miscik said, "he would want Bush to keep doing what he's doing for a few more years."
As their internal assessment sank in, the CIA analysts were troubled by the implications of their own conclusions. "An ocean of hard truths before them -- such as what did it say about U.S. policies that bin Laden would want Bush reelected -- remained untouched," Suskind wrote.
Bush's campaign backers, however, took bin Laden's videotape at face value, calling it proof the terrorist leader feared Bush and favored Democrat John Kerry.
In a pro-Bush book entitled Strategery: How George W. Bush Is Defeating Terrorists, Outwitting Democrats and Confounding the Mainstream Media, right-wing journalist Bill Sammon devoted several pages to bin Laden's videotape, portraying it as an attempt by the terrorist leader to persuade Americans to vote for Kerry.
"Bin Laden stopped short of overtly endorsing Kerry," Sammon wrote, "but the terrorist offered a polemic against reelecting Bush."
Sammon and other right-wing pundits didn't weigh the obvious possibility that the crafty bin Laden might have understood that his "endorsement" of Kerry would achieve the opposite effect with the American people.
Bush on bin Laden
Bush himself recognized this fact. "I thought it was going to help," Bush said in a post-election interview with Sammon about bin Laden's videotape. "I thought it would help remind people that if bin Laden doesn't want Bush to be the President, something must be right with Bush."
In Strategery, Sammon also quotes Republican National Chairman Ken Mehlman as agreeing that bin Laden's videotape helped Bush. "It reminded people of the stakes," Mehlman said. "It reinforced an issue on which Bush had a big lead over Kerry."
But bin Laden, a student of American politics, surely understood that, too.
Now, as the Republicans face the prospect of losing control of the U.S. Congress, Bush and the RNC are not waiting for bin Laden to show his face again to -- in Mehlman's words -- remind American voters "of the stakes." Only a couple of weeks before the Nov. 7 elections, Bush and the RNC are doing it for bin Laden -- and in the scariest possible terms.
"If we were to leave Iraq before the job is done," Bush said at that Pennsylvania campaign stop, "the enemy would follow us here to America. We know this, because that's what the terrorists tell us."
"These are the stakes," declared the RNC's new ad.
But an examination of what "the terrorists tell us" suggests that al-Qaeda would be delighted to keep bleeding the U.S. military in Iraq, while exploiting the widespread anti-Americanism in the Muslim world that the war has engendered to recruit tens of thousands of young jihadists.
With so many new terrorists in training, there's also no reason to think that the enemy will have to wait for the United States to leave Iraq before sparing a few for attacks outside Iraq or -- in Bush's words -- to "follow us here to America."
What is at stake in the Nov. 7 elections is whether Bush will continue to have a free hand in prolonging the war in Iraq and possibly spreading the conflict to other nations, such as Iran and Syria.
As for Iraq, despite the mounting death toll and the deepening chaos, Bush told the Pennsylvania campaign rally: "There is one thing we will not do. We will not pull out our troops from Iraq before the terrorists are defeated. We will not pull out before Iraq can govern itself, sustain itself and defend itself."
If those are Bush's standards for withdrawal, it looks to be a very long war indeed.
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Posted by: rockpicker on Oct 23, 2006 12:52 AM
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While Waiting for News Of The Collecting Armada
The click of hooves on concrete interrupts
my digging. Across Mill Street, a little whitetail,
her flag tentative in alarm, signals embarrassment
on noticing my form. It's nearly dark.
This light of a weekday's usually safe, she's
come to know. But these elbows and knees
that should not be here flailing put her off.
I straighten in fading daylight with my spade.
I take account of the small pile of carrots
I have dug and think of ships collecting
in the Gulf. Apple trees stand barren
at the north end of this garden. They bloomed
to beat the band last spring, then bore
almost nothing. Cowbirds came Labor Day
and picked their poor limbs bare.
I'm left here leaning on a spade
in failing light, wondering, when will the media
tell us of the camps built to incinerate
our dissenting bones? When will my neighbors,
who do not think it polite to talk politics,
see that white flag wagging in alarm?
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Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 23, 2006 1:13 AM
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Speak the truth. Fear not those who doubt or ridicule you.
The truth shall set us free. Fear not this freedom.
Love is the only way forward.
We are all brothers and sisters on this big beautiful bue ball.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 23, 2006 1:48 AM
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They don't seem to worry that their latest lies contradict their earlier lies, and that must be because they believe that no media personality will ever call them on it.
For example: Joby Warrick in the Washington Post wrote a series of articles in the fall and winter of 2001 detailing the high-tech nature of the anthrax spore powder used in the attacks, and how it must have been the product of a 'state biowarfare program' - such as Iraq's. All the evidence pointed to a domestic source, however - the Ames strain was one used in the US Army 'biodefense' program, and USAMRIID researchers rapidly determined that it was a highly sophisticated bioweapon, as reported by Richard Preston in his book, Demon in the Freezer. Likely source? Battelle Memorial Institute of Columbus OH, the only manufacturer of the anthrax vaccine at the time and a long-time military biowarfare contractor - and who also tried to cover up the high-tech nature of the anthrax by steam-sterilizing it before they analyzed it (see the book).
Nevertheless, Joby Warrick entirely ignores his earlier reporting on the issue in his latest piece for the WP: FBI Is Casting A Wider Net in Anthrax Attacks
By Allan Lengel and Joby Warrick, Monday, September 25, 2006
There's no mention of a retraction of his earlier reporting - down the memory hole! FBI says it wasn't so, so it must not be so? Not one mention of the glaring contradiction to the 2001-2002 reporting! Call up the WP and ask them if they're going to print a retraction (if you dare).
At the time, the Republicans were happy to use the anthrax attacks as a fear prod to get support for an Iraq invasion. Recall Colin Powell's display of a tube of 'simulated anthrax' at the UN?
The point is, they could never get away with this kind of thing without the wholehearted support of significant elements of the US corporate media. There is a whole stable of prominent media personalities that Bush & Co. rely on to 'get their message out'.
If you read "Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq" by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, (http://www.prwatch.org/books/wmd.html), you can find out exactly how they were used to sell the Iraq invasion to the US public.
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Posted by: JP2 on Oct 23, 2006 2:32 AM
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So it's time to go over the blabbering about the incompetence of the Bush administration. Because Afghanistan (tripled production of Heroine, Talibans on the rise), Iraq (the hellhole), Katrina (the big forced-gentrification experiment) and 9/11 (the oh, you really caught us off-guard big pretext):all these failures were not caused by incompetence. When the democrats and liberals will wake up to this? It's all getting really old.
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Oct 23, 2006 5:21 AM
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The story is absolutely right-on in stating that the invasion and continued occupation of Iraq has been a godsend, windfall, thank-you-allah blessing for Bin Laden and the jihaddist movement.
Where are the Democrats?!!!!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 23, 2006 5:42 AM
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Oh really? Would someone please explain to the First Fool that we already fulfilled his "highest aspirations" by invading Iraq in the first place! Do you remember in the days immediately following the 9/11/01 attacks? Do you remember how we had the good will of the entire planet showering down apon us? I sure do! And I can't forget that it was all squandered by the half-witted bastard sitting in the oval office.
So help me Mitch Miller, if the democrats blow this one, that means the end of everything. Can you inagine this hideous jack-ass with no re-election or mid-term to look forward to with a compliant and corrupt congress at his bidding to boot? It gives me thew dry heaves just thinking about it. As reckless and stupid as he's been these past six years, he was actually being politically expediant the whole time! Give him another two years and the game's up.
What worrried me the most was his calm assurance that the republicans were going to win on 7 November. If he didn't believe that, he wouldn't have said it because the results would have made him look foolish. Is there another theft in the works that they plan on attibuting to another 1948 type of fluke? Is that the reason for all of their Harry Truman references of late? Recent polls are showing 57% of the voters voting democratic with 37% voting republican. Back in '48 it was alot closer than that. Are ther arrogant enough to think that they can pull it off? The answer is yes.
Pray for peace.
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Posted by: Rathan47 on Oct 23, 2006 6:18 AM
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No folks, this is not a War for Freedom of the Iraqi People, or a War on Terrorism. It's a war to reshape the Middle East and to gain control of potentially available Middle Eastern oil resources. And it's not going to end any time soon.
And my worst fear is this...once the Administration loses open support from Congress, it will take another major US catastrophe to shake the foundation and mindset of the American politicians, and those of the public that has swayed to the other side.
In fact, my greatest fear is that something will happen before the elections, or that the elections will be "stolen" again...
Time will telll...
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Posted by: keefus55 on Oct 23, 2006 7:39 AM
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Thanks largely to the work of President George W. Bush, the goons in his Administration and his willing band of co-conspirators in the US Congress, we now have an arrogant, imperialistic government populated with frauds, crooks, thieves, liars, perverts and hypocrites.
Sadly, under the iron-fisted, despotic rule of our "Liar In Chief", the United States of America is now a country that projects an image to the rest of the world of everything that it is not, while condemning everything that it is.
Our nation deserves better…much better.
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Posted by: rockpicker on Oct 23, 2006 7:38 AM
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The entire world is on a stand-by war footing, as we type. The US and its allies have been gathering ships in the Persian Gulf for a month. Nato forces have come together in the eastern Mediterranean, under German command. Russia, and its allies,
have been conducting live-fly and live-fire exercises since end of August, with NORAD intercepts off the coast of Alaska. Oh, and let's not forget the target, Iran, continues to be in a heightened state of readiness.
Back home, things look grim for the "grand ol' party." Rove's promised us an October surprise. Bush is smiling and cool. Cold, in fact, to his evangelical base. So what's up?
"Fool me once...and...uh...shame on you. Fool me twi...uh..uh...you should't fool me twice."
What would be simpler, or more expedient, than touching off a small device somewhere inside the USA, blame it on Iranian operatives, declare martial law and pounce on Iran with the country's blessing? Way out there?
9/11 was way out there. Prepare for the unexpected.
Aho.
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Posted by: Una Voce on Oct 23, 2006 7:47 AM
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The GOAL in Iraq is to plunder oil- everything else, including civilian and our military death toll, homeland "security" are irrelevant to this administration. Do we know what is going on in the rest of Iraq? I have not seen any reports of 'progress'.....have the companies set up their rigs- are the pipelines in action ? How long does it take?, a year or 2 to get oil from the ground into pipelines.....that's how long this "war" will continue......
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Oct 23, 2006 9:12 AM
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I greatly appreciate your assessment of “These Are The Stakes.” The clock is ticking on America or so we are told.
You mention what Bush, the Republicans, [and others] ignore. I observed similar and wrote of this. In my exposé, I traveled a different path than you did, though I acknowledge the validity and value of your journey.
I am grateful for your analysis. In the last five years, I have marveled. Bush and Bin Laden seem to have the same speechwriter.
For years, if I listen to or read the text of one, I realize I have read or heard the other.
Each was raised in the world of the elite and each sees evil in others. For either man, all that disagree with them are their enemies.
They both believe God walks with them, or speaks through them. They are a fascinating pair.
What I fear most is that a supposed well informed populace; the people within the only world “superpower” actually placed a zealot into office! That they accept one fanatic and fear another that, for me, is frightening!
I invite you to review my own perspective. “Be Afraid; Be Very, Very Afraid.” I Am. ©
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Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Oct 23, 2006 10:01 AM
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The War On Terror has produced the shame of Tora Bora, deception on such a massive scale that it should lead to impeachment and courts martial by any truly competent government, and the biggest fall from grace of any nation or empire in world history. Bush's bumbling has left us to face the world knowing it's done with virtually complete unaccountably and shameless discredit, and worst of all -- severe repression on the American home front.
Not in his wildest dreams did Osama do the 9/11 Attacks hoping he would be as successful as he's been in deluding Bush and Congress to hand over America on a platter to the Banana Republicans.
It's almost sad in a way -- Bush the dry drunk chasing bogeymen one day and re-inventing them the next. It's sadder still to see the cable news pundits act like enough people will fall for Bush's scare tactics one more time -- without having to fix a general election to do it.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 23, 2006 5:20 PM
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There is no reason for Muslims and Arabs to be enemies of the USA and the USA should not make them its enemies. But if you go in with a big stick and with support and weapons to support the illegal actions of countries like Israel, then the problems begin. Big mistake.
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Posted by: slydad on Oct 23, 2006 8:02 PM
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Hey! I’ve got a couple more to throw out there too. Let’s see . . .
Bush caused the gas prices to come down to help Republicans in the mid-term election . . . Oh wait . . . they already used that one.
Here’s one: Bush caused there to be less hurricanes this year to give his brother a break down in Florida so Jeb can focus better on the election campaigns.
How ‘bout: They actually caught Bin Laden a while back. They’re just waiting for the right political timing to release this information. Oh yea, they already used that one too.
I know! The Foley scandal was actually done on purpose just to get the gay vote.
I don’t know. None of mine seem to be as good as the ones I see on this site, so I guess I’ll have to retire from fictional writing and just enjoy all the fiction on this web site.
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Posted by: keefus55 on Oct 24, 2006 5:40 AM
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And, how come the NSA and the CIA can easily read my license plate from space as well as tap my phone, read all my e-mails at will, and even know when I post a comment on the Internet, yet seem to have an extreme amount of difficulty locating a Bedouin like Bin Laden and his henchmen, all of whom are supposedly traveling ON FOOT (and dragging a dialysis machine along, no less!) in a clearly defined mountainous region of the world?
Could it simply be that Bin Laden and the Taliban might be FAR more valuable to Bush and the Republicans alive and kicking than dead?
60 years ago, at the height of World War II, our then President Franklin Roosevelt told us the "Only fear we had to fear was fear itself". However, THIS President and his Republican goons are actually now running campaign TV commercials pointing to the face of Bin Laden and telling us over and over again to "Be afraid…. be very afraid."
Mr. President, terrorism only works when people are afraid!. So, why have you and your merry band of despots now crawled into bed with Bin Laden and the terrorists to foment and perpetuate those EXACT same fears?
Could it be that without Bin Laden still at large (and his "detainees" firmly behind bars for Mr. Bush and his ilk to keep pointing to) his "War on Terror" simply evaporates in the shallow minds of the millions upon millions of ignorant lemmings who STILL eagerly and unquestioningly swallow such manufactured BS hook, line and sinker…. thereby keeping Bush and his Congressional Cabal in office?
If it walks like a duck………
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Posted by: opeluboy on Oct 24, 2006 6:43 PM
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When Dems rear up on their hind legs and beat their chests, like little Hillary, swearing to killl more brown-skinned people than the Repugs, and lend credence to the whole foolish and impossible notion of waging war against a tactic, they allow ridiculous ads like this to exist.
There is no War on Terror. The only way to make us safer is to honestly address the issues that have made us targets.
Unfortunately, this is not something either side will do.
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Posted by: jreal on Oct 24, 2006 10:01 PM
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Republican controlled congress spent 600,000 investigating 9/11.
Lies. Deceit. Cover-ups.
Why do Republicans hate Americans?
Why did they go against Democratic objections that invading Iraq instead of a thorough invasion of Afghanistan, would fuel terrorism?
And why are they now using that terrorism that they supported in Iraq to make Democrats look weak who objected to it in the first place?
Was this there tactic the whole time?
Is it safe for us to keep these people in control?
A vote for a Republican is a vote for terrorism.
Now it's up to you. Do you want to keep fueling terrorism?
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INSOFAR AS STOPPING THE FLOW OF MONIES VIA RESOLUTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE SELECTED ELITE CLASS OF CRIMINALS CALLED THE U.S. CONGRESS, FORGET IT, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN…MY ARGUMENT IS WELL RESEARCHED AND BE SUBSTANTIATED BY THE ARTILCE LISTED BELOW AND SOME SELECTED EXCERPTS :
Bush's Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq's Oil
By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted October 16, 2006.
…It's clear that the U.S.-led invasion had little to do with national security or the events of Sept. 11. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill revealed that just 11 days after Bush's inauguration in early 2001, regime change in Iraq was "Topic A" among the administration's national security staff, and former Terrorism Tsar Richard Clarke told 60 Minutes that the day after the attacks in New York and Washington occurred, "[Secretary of Defense Donald] Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq." He added: "We all said … no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan."
…But serious planning for the war had begun in February of 2002, as Bob Woodward revealed in his book, Plan of Attack. Planning for the future of Iraq's oil wealth had been under way for longer still.
In February of 2001, just weeks after Bush was sworn in, the same energy executives that had been lobbying for Saddam's ouster gathered at the White House to participate in Dick Cheney's now infamous Energy Task Force. Although Cheney would go all the way to the Supreme Court to keep what happened at those meetings a secret, we do know a few things, thanks to documents obtained by the conservative legal group JudicialWatch. As Mark Levine wrote in The Nation($$):
… a map of Iraq and an accompanying list of "Iraq oil foreign suitors" were the center of discussion. The map erased all features of the country save the location of its main oil deposits, divided into nine exploration blocks. The accompanying list of suitors revealed that dozens of companies from 30 countries -- but not the United States -- were either in discussions over or in direct negotiations for rights to some of the best remaining oilfields on earth.
Levine wrote, "It's not hard to surmise how the participants in these meetings felt about this situation."
…But the execs from Big Oil didn't just want access to Iraq's oil; they wanted access on terms that would be inconceivable unless negotiated at the barrel of a gun. Specifically, they wanted an Iraqi government that would enter into production service agreements (PSAs) for the extraction of Iraq's oil.
PSAs, developed in the 1960s, are a tool of today's kinder, gentler neocolonialism; they allow countries to retain technical ownership over energy reserves but, in actuality, lock in multinationals' control and extremely high profit margins -- up to 13 times oil companies' minimum target, according to an analysis by the British-based oil watchdog Platform (PDF).
MOREOVER, I SAY AGAIN, THAT THE TROOPS ARE NOT COMING HOME UNTIL THE OIL/GAS PSA’S ARE SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED TO THE FOUR OIL PHARISEES- EXXON, MOBIL, BP AND CHEVRON…REMEMBER :
S+JIM+RODRIGUEZ+++ECLECTICIST SEEKER+++
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While Waiting for News Of The Collecting Armada
The click of hooves on concrete interrupts
my digging. Across Mill Street, a little whitetail,
her flag tentative in alarm, signals embarrassment
on noticing my form. It's nearly dark.
This light of a weekday's usually safe, she's
come to know. But these elbows and knees
that should not be here flailing put her off.
I straighten in fading daylight with my spade.
I take account of the small pile of carrots
I have dug and think of ships collecting
in the Gulf. Apple trees stand barren
at the north end of this garden. They bloomed
to beat the band last spring, then bore
almost nothing. Cowbirds came Labor Day
and picked their poor limbs bare.
I'm left here leaning on a spade
in failing light, wondering, when will the media
tell us of the camps built to incinerate
our dissenting bones? When will my neighbors,
who do not think it polite to talk politics,
see that white flag wagging in alarm?
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Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 23, 2006 1:13 AM
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Speak the truth. Fear not those who doubt or ridicule you.
The truth shall set us free. Fear not this freedom.
Love is the only way forward.
We are all brothers and sisters on this big beautiful bue ball.
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They don't seem to worry that their latest lies contradict their earlier lies, and that must be because they believe that no media personality will ever call them on it.
For example: Joby Warrick in the Washington Post wrote a series of articles in the fall and winter of 2001 detailing the high-tech nature of the anthrax spore powder used in the attacks, and how it must have been the product of a 'state biowarfare program' - such as Iraq's. All the evidence pointed to a domestic source, however - the Ames strain was one used in the US Army 'biodefense' program, and USAMRIID researchers rapidly determined that it was a highly sophisticated bioweapon, as reported by Richard Preston in his book, Demon in the Freezer. Likely source? Battelle Memorial Institute of Columbus OH, the only manufacturer of the anthrax vaccine at the time and a long-time military biowarfare contractor - and who also tried to cover up the high-tech nature of the anthrax by steam-sterilizing it before they analyzed it (see the book).
Nevertheless, Joby Warrick entirely ignores his earlier reporting on the issue in his latest piece for the WP: FBI Is Casting A Wider Net in Anthrax Attacks
By Allan Lengel and Joby Warrick, Monday, September 25, 2006
There's no mention of a retraction of his earlier reporting - down the memory hole! FBI says it wasn't so, so it must not be so? Not one mention of the glaring contradiction to the 2001-2002 reporting! Call up the WP and ask them if they're going to print a retraction (if you dare).
At the time, the Republicans were happy to use the anthrax attacks as a fear prod to get support for an Iraq invasion. Recall Colin Powell's display of a tube of 'simulated anthrax' at the UN?
The point is, they could never get away with this kind of thing without the wholehearted support of significant elements of the US corporate media. There is a whole stable of prominent media personalities that Bush & Co. rely on to 'get their message out'.
If you read "Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq" by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, (http://www.prwatch.org/books/wmd.html), you can find out exactly how they were used to sell the Iraq invasion to the US public.
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Posted by: JP2 on Oct 23, 2006 2:32 AM
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So it's time to go over the blabbering about the incompetence of the Bush administration. Because Afghanistan (tripled production of Heroine, Talibans on the rise), Iraq (the hellhole), Katrina (the big forced-gentrification experiment) and 9/11 (the oh, you really caught us off-guard big pretext):all these failures were not caused by incompetence. When the democrats and liberals will wake up to this? It's all getting really old.
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The story is absolutely right-on in stating that the invasion and continued occupation of Iraq has been a godsend, windfall, thank-you-allah blessing for Bin Laden and the jihaddist movement.
Where are the Democrats?!!!!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 23, 2006 5:42 AM
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Oh really? Would someone please explain to the First Fool that we already fulfilled his "highest aspirations" by invading Iraq in the first place! Do you remember in the days immediately following the 9/11/01 attacks? Do you remember how we had the good will of the entire planet showering down apon us? I sure do! And I can't forget that it was all squandered by the half-witted bastard sitting in the oval office.
So help me Mitch Miller, if the democrats blow this one, that means the end of everything. Can you inagine this hideous jack-ass with no re-election or mid-term to look forward to with a compliant and corrupt congress at his bidding to boot? It gives me thew dry heaves just thinking about it. As reckless and stupid as he's been these past six years, he was actually being politically expediant the whole time! Give him another two years and the game's up.
What worrried me the most was his calm assurance that the republicans were going to win on 7 November. If he didn't believe that, he wouldn't have said it because the results would have made him look foolish. Is there another theft in the works that they plan on attibuting to another 1948 type of fluke? Is that the reason for all of their Harry Truman references of late? Recent polls are showing 57% of the voters voting democratic with 37% voting republican. Back in '48 it was alot closer than that. Are ther arrogant enough to think that they can pull it off? The answer is yes.
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
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Posted by: Rathan47 on Oct 23, 2006 6:18 AM
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No folks, this is not a War for Freedom of the Iraqi People, or a War on Terrorism. It's a war to reshape the Middle East and to gain control of potentially available Middle Eastern oil resources. And it's not going to end any time soon.
And my worst fear is this...once the Administration loses open support from Congress, it will take another major US catastrophe to shake the foundation and mindset of the American politicians, and those of the public that has swayed to the other side.
In fact, my greatest fear is that something will happen before the elections, or that the elections will be "stolen" again...
Time will telll...
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Posted by: keefus55 on Oct 23, 2006 7:39 AM
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Thanks largely to the work of President George W. Bush, the goons in his Administration and his willing band of co-conspirators in the US Congress, we now have an arrogant, imperialistic government populated with frauds, crooks, thieves, liars, perverts and hypocrites.
Sadly, under the iron-fisted, despotic rule of our "Liar In Chief", the United States of America is now a country that projects an image to the rest of the world of everything that it is not, while condemning everything that it is.
Our nation deserves better…much better.
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Posted by: rockpicker on Oct 23, 2006 7:38 AM
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The entire world is on a stand-by war footing, as we type. The US and its allies have been gathering ships in the Persian Gulf for a month. Nato forces have come together in the eastern Mediterranean, under German command. Russia, and its allies,
have been conducting live-fly and live-fire exercises since end of August, with NORAD intercepts off the coast of Alaska. Oh, and let's not forget the target, Iran, continues to be in a heightened state of readiness.
Back home, things look grim for the "grand ol' party." Rove's promised us an October surprise. Bush is smiling and cool. Cold, in fact, to his evangelical base. So what's up?
"Fool me once...and...uh...shame on you. Fool me twi...uh..uh...you should't fool me twice."
What would be simpler, or more expedient, than touching off a small device somewhere inside the USA, blame it on Iranian operatives, declare martial law and pounce on Iran with the country's blessing? Way out there?
9/11 was way out there. Prepare for the unexpected.
Aho.
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Posted by: Una Voce on Oct 23, 2006 7:47 AM
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The GOAL in Iraq is to plunder oil- everything else, including civilian and our military death toll, homeland "security" are irrelevant to this administration. Do we know what is going on in the rest of Iraq? I have not seen any reports of 'progress'.....have the companies set up their rigs- are the pipelines in action ? How long does it take?, a year or 2 to get oil from the ground into pipelines.....that's how long this "war" will continue......
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Oct 23, 2006 9:12 AM
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I greatly appreciate your assessment of “These Are The Stakes.” The clock is ticking on America or so we are told.
You mention what Bush, the Republicans, [and others] ignore. I observed similar and wrote of this. In my exposé, I traveled a different path than you did, though I acknowledge the validity and value of your journey.
I am grateful for your analysis. In the last five years, I have marveled. Bush and Bin Laden seem to have the same speechwriter.
For years, if I listen to or read the text of one, I realize I have read or heard the other.
Each was raised in the world of the elite and each sees evil in others. For either man, all that disagree with them are their enemies.
They both believe God walks with them, or speaks through them. They are a fascinating pair.
What I fear most is that a supposed well informed populace; the people within the only world “superpower” actually placed a zealot into office! That they accept one fanatic and fear another that, for me, is frightening!
I invite you to review my own perspective. “Be Afraid; Be Very, Very Afraid.” I Am. ©
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Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Oct 23, 2006 10:01 AM
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The War On Terror has produced the shame of Tora Bora, deception on such a massive scale that it should lead to impeachment and courts martial by any truly competent government, and the biggest fall from grace of any nation or empire in world history. Bush's bumbling has left us to face the world knowing it's done with virtually complete unaccountably and shameless discredit, and worst of all -- severe repression on the American home front.
Not in his wildest dreams did Osama do the 9/11 Attacks hoping he would be as successful as he's been in deluding Bush and Congress to hand over America on a platter to the Banana Republicans.
It's almost sad in a way -- Bush the dry drunk chasing bogeymen one day and re-inventing them the next. It's sadder still to see the cable news pundits act like enough people will fall for Bush's scare tactics one more time -- without having to fix a general election to do it.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 23, 2006 5:20 PM
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There is no reason for Muslims and Arabs to be enemies of the USA and the USA should not make them its enemies. But if you go in with a big stick and with support and weapons to support the illegal actions of countries like Israel, then the problems begin. Big mistake.
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Posted by: slydad on Oct 23, 2006 8:02 PM
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Hey! I’ve got a couple more to throw out there too. Let’s see . . .
Bush caused the gas prices to come down to help Republicans in the mid-term election . . . Oh wait . . . they already used that one.
Here’s one: Bush caused there to be less hurricanes this year to give his brother a break down in Florida so Jeb can focus better on the election campaigns.
How ‘bout: They actually caught Bin Laden a while back. They’re just waiting for the right political timing to release this information. Oh yea, they already used that one too.
I know! The Foley scandal was actually done on purpose just to get the gay vote.
I don’t know. None of mine seem to be as good as the ones I see on this site, so I guess I’ll have to retire from fictional writing and just enjoy all the fiction on this web site.
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Posted by: keefus55 on Oct 24, 2006 5:40 AM
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And, how come the NSA and the CIA can easily read my license plate from space as well as tap my phone, read all my e-mails at will, and even know when I post a comment on the Internet, yet seem to have an extreme amount of difficulty locating a Bedouin like Bin Laden and his henchmen, all of whom are supposedly traveling ON FOOT (and dragging a dialysis machine along, no less!) in a clearly defined mountainous region of the world?
Could it simply be that Bin Laden and the Taliban might be FAR more valuable to Bush and the Republicans alive and kicking than dead?
60 years ago, at the height of World War II, our then President Franklin Roosevelt told us the "Only fear we had to fear was fear itself". However, THIS President and his Republican goons are actually now running campaign TV commercials pointing to the face of Bin Laden and telling us over and over again to "Be afraid…. be very afraid."
Mr. President, terrorism only works when people are afraid!. So, why have you and your merry band of despots now crawled into bed with Bin Laden and the terrorists to foment and perpetuate those EXACT same fears?
Could it be that without Bin Laden still at large (and his "detainees" firmly behind bars for Mr. Bush and his ilk to keep pointing to) his "War on Terror" simply evaporates in the shallow minds of the millions upon millions of ignorant lemmings who STILL eagerly and unquestioningly swallow such manufactured BS hook, line and sinker…. thereby keeping Bush and his Congressional Cabal in office?
If it walks like a duck………
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Posted by: opeluboy on Oct 24, 2006 6:43 PM
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When Dems rear up on their hind legs and beat their chests, like little Hillary, swearing to killl more brown-skinned people than the Repugs, and lend credence to the whole foolish and impossible notion of waging war against a tactic, they allow ridiculous ads like this to exist.
There is no War on Terror. The only way to make us safer is to honestly address the issues that have made us targets.
Unfortunately, this is not something either side will do.
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Posted by: jreal on Oct 24, 2006 10:01 PM
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Republican controlled congress spent 600,000 investigating 9/11.
Lies. Deceit. Cover-ups.
Why do Republicans hate Americans?
Why did they go against Democratic objections that invading Iraq instead of a thorough invasion of Afghanistan, would fuel terrorism?
And why are they now using that terrorism that they supported in Iraq to make Democrats look weak who objected to it in the first place?
Was this there tactic the whole time?
Is it safe for us to keep these people in control?
A vote for a Republican is a vote for terrorism.
Now it's up to you. Do you want to keep fueling terrorism?
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Posted by: hot_rad_man on Oct 25, 2006 10:07 AM
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Posted by: catnapping on Oct 26, 2006 8:14 AM
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Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Oct 26, 2006 10:57 PM
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Posted by: SJR505 on Oct 28, 2006 6:16 AM
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INSOFAR AS STOPPING THE FLOW OF MONIES VIA RESOLUTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE SELECTED ELITE CLASS OF CRIMINALS CALLED THE U.S. CONGRESS, FORGET IT, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN…MY ARGUMENT IS WELL RESEARCHED AND BE SUBSTANTIATED BY THE ARTILCE LISTED BELOW AND SOME SELECTED EXCERPTS :
Bush's Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq's Oil
By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted October 16, 2006.
…It's clear that the U.S.-led invasion had little to do with national security or the events of Sept. 11. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill revealed that just 11 days after Bush's inauguration in early 2001, regime change in Iraq was "Topic A" among the administration's national security staff, and former Terrorism Tsar Richard Clarke told 60 Minutes that the day after the attacks in New York and Washington occurred, "[Secretary of Defense Donald] Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq." He added: "We all said … no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan."
…But serious planning for the war had begun in February of 2002, as Bob Woodward revealed in his book, Plan of Attack. Planning for the future of Iraq's oil wealth had been under way for longer still.
In February of 2001, just weeks after Bush was sworn in, the same energy executives that had been lobbying for Saddam's ouster gathered at the White House to participate in Dick Cheney's now infamous Energy Task Force. Although Cheney would go all the way to the Supreme Court to keep what happened at those meetings a secret, we do know a few things, thanks to documents obtained by the conservative legal group JudicialWatch. As Mark Levine wrote in The Nation($$):
… a map of Iraq and an accompanying list of "Iraq oil foreign suitors" were the center of discussion. The map erased all features of the country save the location of its main oil deposits, divided into nine exploration blocks. The accompanying list of suitors revealed that dozens of companies from 30 countries -- but not the United States -- were either in discussions over or in direct negotiations for rights to some of the best remaining oilfields on earth.
Levine wrote, "It's not hard to surmise how the participants in these meetings felt about this situation."
…But the execs from Big Oil didn't just want access to Iraq's oil; they wanted access on terms that would be inconceivable unless negotiated at the barrel of a gun. Specifically, they wanted an Iraqi government that would enter into production service agreements (PSAs) for the extraction of Iraq's oil.
PSAs, developed in the 1960s, are a tool of today's kinder, gentler neocolonialism; they allow countries to retain technical ownership over energy reserves but, in actuality, lock in multinationals' control and extremely high profit margins -- up to 13 times oil companies' minimum target, according to an analysis by the British-based oil watchdog Platform (PDF).
MOREOVER, I SAY AGAIN, THAT THE TROOPS ARE NOT COMING HOME UNTIL THE OIL/GAS PSA’S ARE SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED TO THE FOUR OIL PHARISEES- EXXON, MOBIL, BP AND CHEVRON…REMEMBER :
S+JIM+RODRIGUEZ+++ECLECTICIST SEEKER+++
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