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Free-market types went to town. Oil is set by market forces, not Washington, rang the unified voice of analysts. "If only Bush had that kind of control," mused White House spokesman Tony Snow. But subtle manipulation is a form of control.
Let's back up. In July, legendary investor Jim Rogers -- who got his start with George Soros -- and other Wall Street analysts were saying that within the scope of the bull market, oil prices would head over $100. This would translate to roughly $4.00 to $4.50 per gallon at the gas pumps.
Meanwhile, the White House was evading blame for gas prices having doubled like Olympian dodgeball champions. It's not us. It's unrest in Iraq. Nuclear threats from Iran. Growth in China. Economists said, It's supply and demand, stupid.
Following their logic, and given the second-fastest drop in gas prices ever, we'd expect a noticeable reversal of those factors: an end to the war in Iraq, perhaps; India and China halting production; the Iranian president warmly embracing Bush and the home team. None of this happened. As far as supply goes, this spring US crude oil inventories were at their highest point since May 1998.
Manipulation can be physical or psychological. No, Bush wasn't calling his broker to short the market and Cheney probably wasn't conversing with oil execs to back it up. But long-term mutual back-scratching relationships are potent. An overly speculated market like oil (the most traded commodity in the world) picks up on subtle signs. Just as traders push the market up, they can take it down, depending on those signs.
If detectives from CSI were investigating the plummet in oil prices, they'd look for motive and method. Motive's obvious: strategically important midterm elections. With Iraq and swarming allegations that the Administration has created more terrorism than before, there's not a lot the GOP can control. According to Doug Henwood's Left Business Observer study, there's a 78 percent correlation between the direction of gas prices and approval for the GOP.
Republicans have been pleased to focus on what they can manipulate, if not overtly control. Big Oil gave the GOP 81 percent of its $63 million in campaign contributions since Bush took office. Republicans are giving Big Oil a $5 billion helping of tax breaks. Last November the Republican-led Senate Commerce Committee, headed by Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, gave oil companies a post-Katrina break to keep their exorbitant profits. Democrats called for windfall profits. Republicans didn't.
After Katrina oil companies like Exxon, which also happen to own the major oil refineries in the country, increased their refining profits, which had direct implications on the price of gas at the pumps -- that made them higher than the rising price of crude oil would dictate.
In September the difference between the cost of crude oil and the price of gas after the refining process (called the "crack spread" in the markets) has narrowed substantially, meaning oil refiners are extracting less profit because they're charging proportionately less at the independent gas station pumps.
Just as Enron and others could manipulate, if not directly control, California prices by closing power plants at will, so can oil companies reduce refining profit margins (which were gigantic) to keep their friends in power. That's easier to control than futures where other players are in the market, and it's something retailers pass on to drivers. This is not conspiracy, but self-preservation.
Other strong messages came from Washington. My favorite is the one that came directly from the Federal Reserve. For two years, the Fed has been raising interest rates due to inflationary pressures (such as the high cost of gas). Then, it stopped -- the day after gas prices reached their August 7 peak of an average $3.04 per gallon. The next day, the Fed said that despite high energy prices, inflationary pressures would "moderate."
The market slide started that day, not a sudden change in supply or demand. On September 20, the Fed again left rates unchanged, saying energy prices were in check, causing a further slide. Global crude oil prices fell, but gas prices fell faster.
Wall Street analysts, traders and hedge funds don't care about any of these reasons. They just don't want to be caught behind the ball, so they sell the market, causing further price drops. Yes, those are market forces -- but they are market forces with a lot of push from Washington-related signals. Why now? To say the election has nothing to do with it would be naïve. To say gas prices won't be up again afterward would be wrong.
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Come on, Nomi Prins, you can do better than this.
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What I can't believe is that the rest of the world is not also at work setting up some protections for itself. Yes, the USA burns up more oil, per person, than anywhere else. So the resentment against US manipulation (even while it also favors the oil cartels) must be running deep.
Empire is a sometime thing. Just ask the Italians, the French, the Germans, and the Brits. Right now, it's the US's moment for dominance. I only hope we're using it to gear up for the inevitable end.
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http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willie/willie101306.html
The fact is that a select group of traders have been gaming a number of commodities markets with a wink and a nod from the regulators. I'll be more than happy to debate this with any of the right-wing boneheads who pooh pooh this.
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The fact is that a select group of traders have been gaming a number of commodities markets with a wink and a nod from the regulators. I'll be more than happy to debate this with any of the right-wing boneheads who pooh pooh this.
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2004: "WASHINGTON, Oct. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- According to Bob Woodward, in 2004 Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar Bin Sultan promised George Bush that the Saudis would help bring oil prices down before the election by increasing the country's crude oil production."PR Newswire 10-5-2006
In 2002 Russian oil production surpassed Saudi oil production for the first time. The Saudi domination over oil is starting to fade; Bush & Co. hope that by controlling Iraq as well as Saudi Arabia that they can still control the global oil market and keep countries like Russia, India and China in a subservient position. It's a bad idea that reeks of greed, stupidity and arrogance, but that's the Bush-Rumsfeld-Rice-Cheney world.
Notice also that right after 9/11, Saudi Arabia flooded the market with oil and brought prices down - which stabilized the international financial markets. They clearly still have the power to reduce prices unilaterally - and the Saudi royals have always been buddy-buddy with the Bush-Baker crowd.
Right now, the Western industrial world is in thrall to foreign oil sources that are largely controlled via puppet dictatorship-style arrangements. Just like in ancient Rome, the centers of power are entirely dependent on their far-flung holdings for their wealth and power.
The solution is twofold - get rid of the puppet dictatorships and imperial military arrangements, and also shift to renewable energy so that we (the US) aren't dependent on countries like Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, etc. for our energy supplies.
Note that if you take say, 2/3 of the military budget and put it into renewable energy development - problem solved! Would the voluntarily release of power by an imperial state be a historical first? Maybe there is some hope for human civilization after all.
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There's only so much oil in the world and all we're doing is giving ourselves a false sense of security with all these talks of reserves and the like. The truth of the matter is the American way of life is not only killing people, but killing the planet and must be altered to something sustainable, or the future will die. Maybe I'm alarmist, but that's how I think it is.
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Just look at the 'war' economy and the Dow Jones 12,000 record. It isn't the oil stupid- it's the manufacturers of guns, rockets, bombs, fighter jets, helicopters, navy, air force, army, marines. (Cheney and Haliburton) The economy is doing quite well with a 'war' economy. Perpetual commerce through perpetual war. The republicans have already won the Perpetual war part by claiming the 'war on terror'. It doesn't matter if people are dying and suffering from the war on terror. It only matters that the arms market is profiting from it.
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It doesn't matter if we -cut and run- the permanant bases already in Iraq will still be funded by your tax dollars- with the bonus of being able to attack Iran, Syria, and wherever else Israel wants to attack
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I once read that one of the oil shiekhs is fond of saying 'the stone age didn't end because the world ran out of stones.' Give the marketplace enough incentive and alternative energy sources will be popping up all over the place. Gasoline is used because it is still relatively inexpensive. Once other fuels/resources gain cost-parity, alternative energy will become more than de rigeur; it will become commonplace.
Just ask Brazil; motorists calculate which fuel to put into their cars depending on the daily cost of gasoline. Bio-diesel is huge there. Oh, and guess which country put an exhorbitant tariff on importing ethanol from Brazil--that's right, it's us. Another thing for thank the Bushies for.
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Come on, Nomi Prins, you can do better than this.
How about a nice soft piece on stock market manipulation next? Take a long look at where all that Afghani heroin money is going. NOT
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» What role does the strategic oil reserve play in oil prices? Saudis, on the other hand...
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» Here's some more documentation:
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What I can't believe is that the rest of the world is not also at work setting up some protections for itself. Yes, the USA burns up more oil, per person, than anywhere else. So the resentment against US manipulation (even while it also favors the oil cartels) must be running deep.
Empire is a sometime thing. Just ask the Italians, the French, the Germans, and the Brits. Right now, it's the US's moment for dominance. I only hope we're using it to gear up for the inevitable end.
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http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willie/willie101306.html
The fact is that a select group of traders have been gaming a number of commodities markets with a wink and a nod from the regulators. I'll be more than happy to debate this with any of the right-wing boneheads who pooh pooh this.
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http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willie/willie101306.html
The fact is that a select group of traders have been gaming a number of commodities markets with a wink and a nod from the regulators. I'll be more than happy to debate this with any of the right-wing boneheads who pooh pooh this.
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2004: "WASHINGTON, Oct. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- According to Bob Woodward, in 2004 Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar Bin Sultan promised George Bush that the Saudis would help bring oil prices down before the election by increasing the country's crude oil production."PR Newswire 10-5-2006
In 2002 Russian oil production surpassed Saudi oil production for the first time. The Saudi domination over oil is starting to fade; Bush & Co. hope that by controlling Iraq as well as Saudi Arabia that they can still control the global oil market and keep countries like Russia, India and China in a subservient position. It's a bad idea that reeks of greed, stupidity and arrogance, but that's the Bush-Rumsfeld-Rice-Cheney world.
Notice also that right after 9/11, Saudi Arabia flooded the market with oil and brought prices down - which stabilized the international financial markets. They clearly still have the power to reduce prices unilaterally - and the Saudi royals have always been buddy-buddy with the Bush-Baker crowd.
Right now, the Western industrial world is in thrall to foreign oil sources that are largely controlled via puppet dictatorship-style arrangements. Just like in ancient Rome, the centers of power are entirely dependent on their far-flung holdings for their wealth and power.
The solution is twofold - get rid of the puppet dictatorships and imperial military arrangements, and also shift to renewable energy so that we (the US) aren't dependent on countries like Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, etc. for our energy supplies.
Note that if you take say, 2/3 of the military budget and put it into renewable energy development - problem solved! Would the voluntarily release of power by an imperial state be a historical first? Maybe there is some hope for human civilization after all.
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There's only so much oil in the world and all we're doing is giving ourselves a false sense of security with all these talks of reserves and the like. The truth of the matter is the American way of life is not only killing people, but killing the planet and must be altered to something sustainable, or the future will die. Maybe I'm alarmist, but that's how I think it is.
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Just look at the 'war' economy and the Dow Jones 12,000 record. It isn't the oil stupid- it's the manufacturers of guns, rockets, bombs, fighter jets, helicopters, navy, air force, army, marines. (Cheney and Haliburton) The economy is doing quite well with a 'war' economy. Perpetual commerce through perpetual war. The republicans have already won the Perpetual war part by claiming the 'war on terror'. It doesn't matter if people are dying and suffering from the war on terror. It only matters that the arms market is profiting from it.
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It doesn't matter if we -cut and run- the permanant bases already in Iraq will still be funded by your tax dollars- with the bonus of being able to attack Iran, Syria, and wherever else Israel wants to attack
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Posted by: gellero on Oct 21, 2006 10:19 PM
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Posted by: asilsfable on Oct 23, 2006 10:36 PM
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I once read that one of the oil shiekhs is fond of saying 'the stone age didn't end because the world ran out of stones.' Give the marketplace enough incentive and alternative energy sources will be popping up all over the place. Gasoline is used because it is still relatively inexpensive. Once other fuels/resources gain cost-parity, alternative energy will become more than de rigeur; it will become commonplace.
Just ask Brazil; motorists calculate which fuel to put into their cars depending on the daily cost of gasoline. Bio-diesel is huge there. Oh, and guess which country put an exhorbitant tariff on importing ethanol from Brazil--that's right, it's us. Another thing for thank the Bushies for.
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Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Oct 25, 2006 2:11 AM
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