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What the Dems Will Do If They Take Over

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted October 17, 2006.


Will Democrats spend their first moments in the majority issuing a nasty payback for a decade of Republican punishment?

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Late last week, toward the tail end of my research for the "Worst Congress Ever" story in the current Rolling Stone, New York congressman Charlie Rangel told me an interesting story.

Rangel recounted an incident in the House in which he went over to say hello to Florida Republican Clay Shaw, who had been ill. Although the two men had been longtime political antagonists, and had frequently ripped each other in public during hearings of the Ways and Means committee (Shaw is the committee's second-ranking Republican, while Rangel is the ranking minority member), they had always maintained a friendly personal relationship. So when Rangel saw that Shaw was back at work, he went over to pay his respects.

"But then a funny thing happened," said Rangel. "When I got back to my seat, a young Democrat [congressman] leaned over to me, and he said, 'What was that all about?' Like there was something wrong with saying hello." Rangel sighed. "Even in our party, for the younger generation of congressmen, this is all they know. That's how bad things are between the two parties."

Rangel was one of a number of people I talked to in congress who spoke wistfully of an age long gone, when congressmen could cross party lines to socialize. But starting in the mid-to-late nineties, things began to change. Among other things, the famed freshman class of 1994 was comprised to a large degree of young congressmen who ran against the institution of congress in their campaigns, promising to shun "Washington politics" and spend more time in their home districts. A new strategy of ironclad party discipline ushered in by Newt Gingrich furthermore decreased opportunities for crossing the aisle on votes; the old days of horse-trading and committee compromises brokered over the weekend on the links of northern Virginia were replaced by party line votes and the three-day work week. A decade later, congress was setting the record for fewest working days ever, and House freshmen don't even shake hands with the guys on the other side of the floor.

"We used to travel the world together," sighed Rangel. "Now we don't even come to Washington long enough to get to know each other."

There is no question that congress has plunged to historic lows in the last six years, rolling up an impressively ugly record of corruption, failing to get much of anything accomplished in the way of major legislation, racking up an $8 trillion debt and provided the ultimate in matador-defense oversight for the most dangerously incompetent president in recent memory. But there's a big question about exactly how much of that is the fault of the Republican party alone.

While the fall from grace happened on the Republicans' watch, the institution in general has seen a massive influx of campaign money and a radical change in the way its members do business since the beginning of the Gingrich years, with lobbyists actually writing the legislation in some cases and members of both parties routinely cramming bills chock full of earmarks and other favors. On the '04 election cycle, the Republican party and its politicians collected an obscene $782 million in hard money contributions, but the Democrats weren't far behind, at $679 million. Those numbers dwarf the amounts seen the last time the Democrats controlled congress - the '93-'94 totals were $244 million and $133 million, respectively.

While congressional Democrats have undoubtedly indulged mightily in the earmark revolution, it's hard to find their fingerprints on the worst abuses of the past decade for the simple reason that the Republicans have done such an incredible job of dominating the legislative process. They have not been targets of corruption because Tom Delay and co. have literally left them with nothing to sell.

"Seriously, one of the reasons you're not seeing Democrats getting indicted in corruption scandals is that we've been out of the loop," says Rangel, laughing but not joking.

What no one in congress knows -- and a lot of staffers I spoke to worried aloud about this -- is if Democrats will be any different in that respect than the Republicans if they win this November. The corruption issue is only part of it. More than anything, a lot of Democratic staffers are worried that ten years or so of having the light shut out on them by the majority, being frozen out of conference committees, having cops called to rouse them out of the library, and being denied the chance to offer even the most harmless amendments -- that all of this will lead to a long, ugly period of payback time.

"I hope we don't do the same stuff," says Jim Berard, a Democratic staffer on the Transportation and Infrastructure.

The upcoming congressional elections are going to important for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being the dramatic change in Congress's oversight profile should the Democrats win one or both houses. But I don't see any reason to expect that there will be a dramatic increase in civility or a sudden challenge to corporate influence on the Hill if the Democrats take the House. And as for political partisanship -- who knows, it might just be that politics are different now. There are plenty of people out there who think that a lack of cross-party primary voting (leading to fewer centrist candidates) and the increasing sophistication of party fundraising mechanisms (which allow party leaders to exercise greater discipline of its members) are just contributing generally to a more polarized congress, divided up into two homogenous bodies of legislators utterly hostile to each other. The young Democrat sitting next to Rangel who looks at a Republican like a Crip lining up a Blood might be the future of politics generally.

"If Feingold or whoever is president in '08," says defense analyst and former Senate staffer Winslow Wheeler, "don't expect a sudden flowering of oversight."

Which is not to say the two parties won't work together. They will - -just not on anything constructive. What most people fail to understand about congress is that there have been some highly consistent areas of consensus even in these incredibly contentious past ten years. In the areas in which both parties typically agree, like military spending and giveaways to the more generous donor industries, Democrats and Republicans have worked swimmingly even in the most publicly antagonistic periods of the Bush and Clinton years. They helped each other sign off on the Iraq war and stroke the credit industry with the bankruptcy bill. They cooperated to pass a spate of free-trade agreements, the WTO, the MAI, GATT, and a host of other legislative monstrosities.

Where they couldn't cooperate was in the area of upholding their constitutional responsibilities, and practicing bureaucratic self-defense. The social divide between Republicans and Democrats had to be a big part of the reason congress lacked the institutional stones to really stand up to the president on the torture issue, to fight back when the Vice President ignores a subpoena of the GAO, to demand someone's head when the defense department openly refuses to audit itself. The Republicans in congress have been so busy in the last ten years figuring out ways to shut Democrats out of the process that they forgot how to stop the Executive Branch from giving it to them up the ass. The result is a congress that is not only grossly corrupt and completely beholden to financial interests, but totally castrated in the national political arena, a tawdry little sideshow that drones on idiotically on CSPAN while the White House rules the country more or less absolutely (an additional insult; not only is the congress a disgrace to two millennia of democratic tradition, it's the worst show on television).

Think about it; if there's ever been anything sadder than John McCain "taking a stand" against Bush on the torture bill a few weeks back, have you seen it? I sure haven't. McCain bent over faster than a college student on his first night in Attica. But I wouldn't expect anything better out of the Democrats -- at least not until they show they can act like adults, and not like the hired clowns of their party's financial backers. Until that happens, we can expect more of the same: vicious partisan bitching while the cameras are on, obscene handouts behind closed doors.

"You can either govern or you can get even," says Rangel. "But you can't do both. I hope we make the right choice."

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Censure NOT Impeachment
Posted by: JSquercia on Oct 17, 2006 10:09 AM   
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That is ONLY one reason I support Feingold for President . He suggested Censure rather than Impeachment for Bush and while I wholeheartedly agree that Bush and his entire Phalanx DESERVE Impeachemnt . It would only further exacerbate the situation in Washington . It would waste the time of the country and set the table for an endless wave of Impeachments whenever the Congress changed hands .

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» 50 Years of Democrat Rule Posted by: derfb1
» RE: 50 Years of Democrat Rule Posted by: Steve Adair
» RE: 50 Years of Democrat Rule Posted by: Jamboree
» RE: Censure NOT Impeachment Posted by: LucyFur
» RE: Censure NOT Impeachment Posted by: Just-Asking
Disagree...
Posted by: tuxperger on Oct 17, 2006 11:14 AM   
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> (an additional insult; not only is the congress a disgrace to two millennia of democratic tradition, it's the worst show on television)

Let me take exception to this. Yes, U.S. television is generally not worth watching, but during my last visit I happened to tune in to C-SPAN, the Senate hearing on Iraq. For three long hours I didn't switch while soldiers were testifying.

C-SPAN is the only network that doesn't insult my intelligence.

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Govern or get even?
Posted by: LucyFur on Oct 17, 2006 2:50 PM   
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To Democratic Party supporters and hangers-on:

Democrats are not going to support impeachment, so get over that fantasy. They supported Bush throughout his presidency, why should they change now? Anyway, they'd be inditcing themselves!

I find it instructive to hear so many "progressives" fall for the line that impeachment would be too time consuming. Holding a president to standards of law and justice is just too much bother? They're already working their fingers to the bone?

One of the ways we teach kids how to solve math problems is to have them draw a picture of the problem. So I ask you to do just that.

Draw a picture of Bush calling for invasion of Iraq and lying to ignorant Americans (the politicians pretty much knew the scoop. I did. Most of you on these pages did.)

Next to Bush, draw a picture of weapons inspectors saying Iraq has no weapons and is no threat.

Draw a picture of top weapons inspector, Scott Ritter, handing John Kerry a stack of documents showing that Iraq was not a threat and had no WMDs. In this drawing, show Ritter pleading with Kerry to sponser his testimony to Congress so that the American people can see the farce for what it is and maybe have a chance to stop the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation who did nothing to us.

Show John Kerry ignoring Ritter and his evidence. Show Kerry and his Dem cohorts saying, "YES!" to invasion and occupation.

Show John Kerry and most Dems going along, for years, with the occupation and slaughter of Iraqis and the needless deaths of thousands of American soldiers.

Draw pictures of all your beloved Democrat Senators and Congressmen and women bending over backwards (forward?) to collude with the Bush agenda, sniffing around for the sweet, inticing fragrance of money and power.

And now draw a picture of half a million innocent Iraqis, mostly children, with their bodies blown to bits and the Democrats looking down on them., copies of their "Yea!" votes in hand, waving above the corpses.

Your last picture is of yourselves, putting out flyers and sticking up signs in your yards advertising for your Democratic Party. Show a "blind faith/hypocritical" kind of look on your faces, like the one you refer to when talking about fundamentalist Christians.

The last picture is for you to imagine. It's in the future, say 2008, 2009.

Mine shows Dems and Repubs holding hands, kissing and making up. Soldiers and Iranians are being slaughtered in the battlefield. "Progressives," "liberals" think up new ways to love and support the Democratic Party. Traitors like me and Ralph Nader will be further marginalized. Maybe you'll make us illegal.

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» I bet you voted for Nader Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: Govern or get even? Posted by: BlueStateBitch
» RE: Govern or get even? Posted by: xennonette
» RE: Govern or get even? Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Govern or get even? Posted by: hapibeli
» RE: Govern or get even? Posted by: LucyFur
» Reid, corrupt? Posted by: BillC
» RE: Govern or get even? Posted by: heech
Matt Taibbi: YOU, LEFT GATEKEEPER
Posted by: fifthworld on Oct 17, 2006 4:11 PM   
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Whatever the strength or weakness or inanity, the main problem with this piece is that it is written by the incorrigible Matt Taibbi, who along with Rothschild and Cockburn lost me and many others a few weeks back, all with perfectly lame 9/11 anniversary timing, when they went on their bizarre and unjustifiable (by any measure) screeds against the 9/11 truth movement. They all clearly are looking more and more empty-minded as prominent public figures and an array of experts in relevant sciences, internationally, continue to affirm government complicity in 9/11. Matt's own arrogant, obnoxious and dismissive tone at the time, in his Rolling Stone piece posted here on Alternet, betrayed his desperation - for whatever reason - not to acknowledge anything of the obvious lies and cover-ups that have been uncovered.

Until he issues an apology for that article, he does not deserve my time. This note is all I will offer.

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» Matt - another well balanced article Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Do I smell a Troll? Posted by: mirimac
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» Was that for me or Matt? Posted by: fifthworld
» For Matt. Posted by: mjabele
» Abkhazia, I'm impressed... Posted by: brunowe
» Simply advocating Posted by: fifthworld
» What is it you want to know? Posted by: LeftWright
» Ah, but there was wreckage Posted by: brunowe
» Dude! Where's the plane? Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Simply advocating Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Info you want, info you got! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Good riddance... Posted by: brunowe
» I look forward to reading it. Posted by: LeftWright
» To be honest and fair, Posted by: LeftWright
Does it matter anymore?
Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 17, 2006 10:29 PM   
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First assumption: That elections will be "fair" -- that is votes counted as cast. Hasn't the outcome already been decided in the software? How else are Mehlman and the White House so confidently smiling?

Second assumption: That the Dems would have the courage of their alleged convictions to vote for investigations much less impeachment. It seems to be all a pompous performance, like the McCain/Warner/Graham comedy routine of a few weeks ago. "I'm opposed to torture . . . NOT!" (Borat take note.)

Third assumption: The public cares about or is aware of the high crimes of W's administration; or, that Congress just voted away the right to habeas corpus; and for good measure, appointed W dictator with the sole right to determine and designate who (citizen or non-citizen) is an "enemy combatant." This includes such terroristic acts as donating to organizations that are later "determined" to be "supporting" terrorism. I dare say that sending money for food to quake-ravaged Pakistan might soon be an act of treason since someone saved by the relief effort might later be recruited by the Taliban. No one who watches network news could possibly know that the "Bill of Rights" is now merely a quaint document that no longer applies to the citizenry of the USA.

Fourth assumption: That successful impeachment would change a thing. With the Bush-supported oil cartel poised to seize control of Iraq's oil for all time to come, everything to do with prosecuting W and Co. for the lying becomes moot. The war has already been successful, at least the war that Bush/Cheney/Rummy are conducting. That other little matter of insurrection and sectarian fighting, and killing US soldiers, that's just to distract the rest of us.

Hmmm, maybe ignorance IS bliss.

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» Maybe we're just too late Posted by: makeadifference
The Democratic Party's Last Stand
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 18, 2006 12:44 AM   
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If the Democrats win, and that's a big if, and they fail to start investigating 9/11, electoral fraud, the fiasco's in Afghanistan and Iraq; then they are finished as a viable party.

The true progressive base will abandon them and move elsewhere, I hope the Greens.

By early next year, the 9/11 truth movement will have reached the tipping point and all those who remain in denial will be on the wrong side of history.

Open your eyes, get out of your box, free your soul.

The Second American Revolution is coming, and sooner than you think.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» RE: The Democratic Party's Last Stand Posted by: makeadifference
» Hear Hear ! Posted by: LeftWright
If the elections are STOLEN again
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 18, 2006 12:49 AM   
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Millions will take to the streets and

The Second American Revolution will begin.

Wear purple, be peaceful.

THe truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» RE: If the elections are STOLEN again..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» Millions will take to the streets Posted by: Lincoln fan
subserviency
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 18, 2006 12:50 AM   
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I agree that Ds and Rs have the same subserviency to the corporate rulers and that there may be craven acts against Rs if Ds get majorities. But it doesn't have to be that way. If it is that way it would just be another travesty of justice built on top of the Rs now travesty of justice. We need to insist that pols work for the people instead of for the money else we can kiss civilization good bye.

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» RE: subserviency Posted by: mutant
» I'll take the lesser of two evils, Posted by: Lincoln fan
follow the money
Posted by: edith on Oct 18, 2006 12:56 AM   
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when and if the Dems control the Appropriations Committee, the "slaughter" begins.

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» RE: follow the money Posted by: Jamboree
Why 9/11 truth is the key
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 18, 2006 1:03 AM   
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9/11 truth not only exposes the charade that is the "war on terror" it also completely exposes the complete corruption of the American elite class.

The sweeping changes that will come from this process will restore and reinvigorate American democracy so that it is able to face the great challenges of the 21st century.

9/11 truth is not a partisan issue as Democrats and Republicans have both conspired to bring us to this dungeon in our history.

9/11 truth is a human issue

Open your eyes, get out of your box, free your soul.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» RE: Why 9/11 truth is the key Posted by: symcokid
» RE: Why 9/11 truth is the key Posted by: mdruss42
Definition of Representative
Posted by: SBK on Oct 18, 2006 2:58 AM   
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Point your fingers all you want, but the responsibility to get corporations out of our government and pass real legislation lies with WE the people. This is hard for a remote control wielding, car dependent public who get their lunch from a drive through, but indeed it's true. Accountability, responsibility, and supervision is OUR job. Do you keep in contact with your reps and senators on the state and local level? Do you go to the debates or email them with questions like "who paid for your campaign and who are you beholden to this year?" How much work does the citizenry put into our democracy? The crazy thing is we are empowered to tell them what to do. We are just too busy consuming to really do the work democracy requires. Don't whine about them, they are YOUR representatives—what actions will YOU take for accountability? If the Dems get in, how will YOU be different? I want healthcare, renewable energy, trains and kids who can do higher math and it's my job to let my reps know it!

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» RE: Definition of Representative Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Definition of Representative Posted by: Lincoln fan
I hope they IMPEACH and JAIL this idiot
Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 18, 2006 3:09 AM   
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The sooner the better. IMPEACH and JAIL this idiot along with CHENEY and RUMSFELD.

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Impeachment? No way! Execution is in order.
Posted by: oneyedjack on Oct 18, 2006 3:53 AM   
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I get such a kick out of the so-called progressives, kicking themselves with their Birkenstocks all the while pondering what change will be wrought if the (just as corrupt as the Repugs) Dems win. Impeachment, censure, getting even time; and Taibbi gets in with his corporate/corrupted two cents worth. And the progressives dutifully respond, all the while taking their eyes off the issue as they have been propagandized to do. There is only one solution, one answer as to just what to do with war criminals; try them and shoot them - all of them.
All this bs about damaging the Amerikan psyche with long drawn out impeachment sh** is just that, feces! The war criminals are guilty of genocide and we (you and I fellow Amerikans) are culpable in that genocide.
The only way healing can be done for the victims is war crimes trials and executions.
George Bush is evil. George Bush is a criminal.

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» RE: Impeachment? Posted by: BillC
» RE: Impeachment? Posted by: oneyedjack
Necessary tasks for the Congress:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 18, 2006 4:31 AM   
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-A complete review of the domestic spying program, from the NSA to the FBI to the DIA to the DHS and JTTF as well as links to local police departments and private telecom companies.

-A complete review of the intelligence for going to war in Iraq, - biological, chemical and nuclear weapons didn't exist, and there were no ties, financial or otherwise, between Iraq and Al Queda.

-A Congressional investigation into the FBI, CDC and USAMRIID-Battelle response to the anthrax attacks of 9/18 and 10/9, as well as more hearings on the Rice-Tenet meeting of 7/10 and the PDB of 8/06.

-A complete review of Iraq, Afghanistan and Katrina reconstruction contracts given to firms such as Bechtel, Halliburton, Louis Berger Group, etc. This should also include an investigation of billions of dollars of Project Bioshield contracts given to the private sector.

Before the subject of impeachment or censure comes up, wait and see what is revealed by such investigations.

As far as taking action, start by repealing all PATRIOT ACT provisions related to surveillance. The previous rules under FISA, if competently implemented, would have prevented 9/11.

Repealing the new torture-is-okay-and-so-is-secret-unjustified-detention law would also be a good idea.

Now, if the Democrats get back in power and spend all their time and energy investigating "The Mark Foley Scandal", as the Republicans did with "Clinton & Monica", all while continuing to serve the same interests as the Republicans and refusing to address troop withdrawal from Iraq- well, what then?

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» At least we have no shortage of prisons Posted by: thoughtcriminal
The Future Is Ours I We Want It
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 18, 2006 5:02 AM   
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The very worst mistake the democrats could possibly make if they take back both houses of congress in less than three weeks (and that's a big if, folks) would be to play out the scenario as out-lined by Matt Taibbi in the above piece. If they go that route, they'll blow everything.

Their main focus should be on impeaching the president and the vice-president, emphasizing to the country that this is not political revenge but justice served for high crimes and felonies committed against the American people. Taibbi referred to Bush as "the most incompetant president in recent memory". Ah, sweet understatement!

Pray for peace

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"the Rant" by Tom Degan

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Make federal elections non-partisan
Posted by: Moonray on Oct 18, 2006 5:06 AM   
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Why not make federal elections -- for president and Congress -- non-partisan? By doing that, and banning all private money from those election campaigns, we would eliminate much of the corruption now plaguing our political process.

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» Yes, it's human nature, but Posted by: Moonray
Otto
Posted by: otto on Oct 18, 2006 5:16 AM   
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It would be great if the Democrats won, and then learned the lesson in politics that the Amish in Pennsylvania were teaching about morality: Forgive and Love your enemies. (A lesson the Bush administration has been trying to get rid of for 6 years!)
Otto

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Prosecuting criminals isn't "getting even"
Posted by: Christian Southern Liberal on Oct 18, 2006 5:51 AM   
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Mr. Taibbi, I believe you are way off of the mark. Since Jimmy Carter's time (far back as I can remember), Democrats have been persecuted or prosecuted for any injustice they have done. Minor things like "sleep overs" at the White House have been aired like dirty laundry. The Republicans have been impervious to being held accountable. It is my opinion that the war profiteers, those that have lied us into war, those that are selling government contracts, those who have participated in destroying years of government work (outing of Plame), and those that are money laundering (Abramoff) should be held accountable. These people are criminals and should not be let off of the hook. The Democrat criminals have been prosecuted as their crime became known. Republican criminals have been given a pass. The Republican politicians are a group of organized criminals, admittedly with some exceptions, and they need to be stopped permanently.

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It's the money, stupid!
Posted by: keefus55 on Oct 18, 2006 6:00 AM   
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I'm always amazed how our US Congress as a whole often polls lower on the "doing a good job" question than even the current sitting President. Yet, I believe we are now poised to once again re-elect most of the same, bottom-feeding scumbags (on both sides of the aisle) that have become semi-permanent fixtures there now. By all accounts, the upcoming election will still be a "squeaker" between the various factions of "Republicrats". And, exactly which faction ultimately controls things when it's all over is STILL too close to call. Why is this?

Could it be that we have all become so enamored with the "pork" that our own representatives in Congress continually "bring home" to their districts, that we fail to see the larger picture? When their campaigns concentrate on "lookie here what I did (or will do) for the district" vice "look what I've done for the country as a whole" it speaks volumes about where their (and our) priorities really lie.

I've often been said that many a US Congressman's idea of "government waste" is a tax dollar spent in someone else's district. It would now seem those words apply to most, if not ALL of them.

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» devolve Posted by: edith
censure or impeachment, who cares?
Posted by: cold2touch on Oct 18, 2006 8:09 AM   
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the proper thing to do is hand them over to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.
Don't tell me that cold-blooded murder of close to 1 million people and utter destruction of a nation (Iraq or USA? take your pick) for purely nefarious (political and personal enrichment) reasons should be swept under the rug of Rangelian "civility".
If so, what is to stop the new elite from repeating such crimes elsewhere?
Bush is precisely the same person who as governor of Texas presided over the most executions in history, with a smirking refusal to entertain a single pardon, be it for dubious evidence, mental retardation or underage status, yet he may well issue a slew of pardons to every Republican in sight, starting with Scooter Libby.
Is this the justice the article advocates?

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It's not the Rs or the Ds, stupid!
Posted by: scott balogh on Oct 18, 2006 8:10 AM   
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We have a government and a corporate elite class that is one and the same. Those who have clawed their way or were born into positions of power have grabbed more power as recent years have passed. They have virtually done away with real democracy through campaign financing from the corporations. The corporations run everything at the federal level. Am I just hysterical? Is the due process of our laws being subverted? Do we really have to revolt, as in rip apart the corporate boardrooms and strip the elite of the wealth and power? Come on folks, are we so stupid not to see that our democracy is lost, gone, stolen by robber barons. The time for talk has passed. It is time now to drag the mob out of their castles and do what must be done to their ilk and re-start our government.

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» The time for talk has passed. Posted by: Lincoln fan
But I don't --- expect that there will be a -- challenge to corporate influence.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Oct 18, 2006 8:24 AM   
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Anyone who does expect this should click on Open Secrets and save him/herself later disappointment. The tragic truth is that we can't vote the corporate establishment out of power.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative

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But we're not going to win!
Posted by: arclight on Oct 18, 2006 10:16 AM   
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Why the fact that our elections are STOLEN (2000, 2002, 2004, and most likely 2006 and 2008) isn't more of an issue even on a really progressive website such as AlterNet is totally beyond me. We won't win back the House. We won't win back the Senate. The Republicans (and Diebold) have made sure of it.

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» RE: But we're not going to win! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» PBS NOW says the same Posted by: SBK
» RE: But we're not going to win! Posted by: canipanic
nit-picking
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Oct 18, 2006 10:20 AM   
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Nice piece, but ...

...in the most publicly antagonistic periods of the Bush and Clinton years... they cooperated to pass a spate of free-trade agreements, the WTO, the MAI, GATT

GATT was passed in 1948, and the MAI was killed during negotiations in the OECD and never came up for ratification.

They passed the WTO, CAFTA and a gaggle of FTAs with Jordan, Chile, Singapore, etc. during that period, and they gave the preznit the abominable Fast-track authorization.

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(What if) the democrats take over?
Posted by: willymack on Oct 18, 2006 11:34 AM   
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Ignoring the very real possibility of another fradulent election, with a rethug "win", and assuming the democrats DO take over one or both houses of Congress, here's what they shouldn't do: 1. Forgive. 2. Forget. 3. Fail to do what's right and proper by our people and begin proceedings to arrest, try, convict, and imprison the vile criminals responsible for so much death, destruction, treason, and theft of our national treasure. Their oath of office, common decency, and sense of justice demand no less.

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Won't be fooled again?
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Oct 18, 2006 12:41 PM   
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"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

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Get Even? Get Ahead!
Posted by: ashkewoof on Oct 18, 2006 1:51 PM   
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War was declared on the heads of Democrats and they were too self involved and too interested in their own illusion of power to either recognize or do anything about it.

Work with Republicans? ARE YOU ALL F&@*ing nuts?

The sick football game of my side winning, your side loosing is not going away or even being talked about or addressed in any real or tangible fashion.

To that end, if Democrats think that they can try to be better than their foes by putting on an illusion of working with Republicans, then they get what they deserve. Further marginalization and further downward spiral into the abyss.

You just had to look at Hillary's face on the Iraq vote to sum it all up. No reports, no proof of who knew what and when. She and all the Democrats knew what they were voting for and what it meant. They knew it was a lie and they participated in the lie because they wanted to keep their jobs. It was etched on her face and the face of all who supported it.

The grotesque game is not over and while this sick running of the ball goes back and forth between goal posts, the "People" will continue to be ignored, their rights trampled, forgotten and their voices tuned out to the roar of the crowd.

Hey, Democrats! Are you listening? If you get the power, USE IT! Blast your enemies into oblivion! Don't try to be bigger, better or more dignified than those hypocrites on the other side.

Come out guns blazing and do not stop until your enemy is obliterated!

American public. Are you listening????

We are getting screwed by both sides. This is not a game.

We need to flush the entire government! Not by bloody revolution, but through the peaceful tools our great forefathers, despite their flaws gave us!

Our vote can still count if we do not allow it to be stolen.

We can focus a representative government on tangible results and not paper tiger issues.

We all are loved and all are worthy of equality, dignity and liberty.

In 2008, lets elect an entirely independent government. Don't give Democrats or Republicans your vote. Commit to vote for an independent candidate who supports your views and supports a government that is accountable to it's people.

We have time to grow and field such a movement while the Nero's on both sides play their sick little tunes.

Fully funded elections with no private money could be the first step. Some smart people have come up with some very brilliant methods to do this that ensure a fair playing field and give us back out democracy.

No to the game!
That is my motto for the next 2 years.

This beautiful, precious world, and all it's inhabitants are worthy of our sincere and diligent efforts to be wise, compassionate stewards. Not owners and not self serving gluttons.

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» RE: Get Even? Get Ahead! Posted by: Steve Adair
Dems aren't winning because they have great ideas and courage
Posted by: mat38 on Oct 18, 2006 2:26 PM   
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The repubtards are messing themselves to scrambled crap soup. The democraps will be as wimpy and stupid as usual as they try to be like Republican light. I'm sick of the whole stinking lot of them. If Bin Laden had crashed planes into congeress and killed every one of them our country would be better for it today.

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It would be hard to resist...
Posted by: danielgeery on Oct 18, 2006 3:36 PM   
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the final solution!

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canipanic
Posted by: canipanic on Oct 18, 2006 8:18 PM   
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if bush gets impeached...we end up with cheney...it wont happen.after 2008 i would support trying them both for their criminal activities..lying to congress and the people of the usa to further their own financial goals.when the dems take over..i want to know who the oil people were that met with cheney to develop our energy policy(and this time put them under oath).thats where the real crime is.while our gas prices go up,they get 300 million bonuses?thats almost 1 million a day..if we are addicted to oil,they are the pushers..correct me if i am wrong,but aren't pushers out for only one thing?money.who was it that said"let them eat cake" when the people were starving?cake meaning bread.didn't the people revolt and behead that person..thats what they are saying to us"let them eat cake".history repeats itself.the people will prevail!!

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Birds of a feather...get rich together.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Oct 18, 2006 10:34 PM   
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From the article:
"In the areas in which both parties typically agree, like military spending and giveaways to the more generous donor industries, Democrats and Republicans have worked swimmingly even in the most publicly antagonistic periods of the Bush and Clinton years."

In other words, when it comes to being good little toadies to the real government of this country, corporations, in return for access to power and wealth, nothing separates Democans and Republicrats. The rest of the rancor between the parties is just eye and earwash for a gullible public.

I say, throw 'em all out and start over; maybe that will put a little "fear-of-God" back in Washington – and remind the greedy bastards who should be running the show.

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Best way to proceed after winning control of Congress
Posted by: paul_revere on Oct 19, 2006 3:59 AM   
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I believe that the Dems should start with investigations, just like Watergate. Trying to impeach immediately only would lead citizens to look at the Dems as sore losers (from the prior elections).

Don't get me wrong -- I am sure that both the 2000 and 2004 elections were hacked and that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfailed and Gonzalez deserve to be the only prisoners at Gitmo, . But the best scenario for our country would be to first start with investigations and watch all the Rethug slime ooze out of the woodwork, then come up with articles of impeachment, then convict the bastards, then jail them at Gitmo.

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Why is this virtual toilet paper back up on the site?
Posted by: fifthworld on Oct 19, 2006 10:42 AM   
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If I'm not mistaken, this Taibbi crotchrot was gone for a couple days. It was an eyesore to find it again. Oh well, free speech I guess.

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SOMEONE IS OUT OF IDEAS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 19, 2006 2:57 PM   
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Your article is premature and has of a judgemental tone. First let's get the bums out. You'll have plenty of time to jump all over the Democrats and I'm sure you will. You'll just have to wait. Thanks, ANNA

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The Big Problem
Posted by: magistre on Oct 20, 2006 3:22 PM   
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The Biggest Problem is: "Ham or Baloney" or Republican or Democrat! Where is it written that "We The People" can only "understand" two parties? This just makes it easier to ease down the road to multi-national fascism.

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Why we can't be friends
Posted by: opeluboy on Oct 20, 2006 5:27 PM   
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There is another reason why the tone has changed. Years ago, Reps and Dems, while differing on the way to get there, were nonetheless usually heading for the same place. It was a matter of means for the most part, and neither side would accuse the other of desiring to destroy democracy or ruin this country.

Not so now. What might have at one time been philosophical differences is now a matter of life and death. The pod people who have taken over the Republican party are not working for what's best for the country. They are endangering all of us, and the world. They are corrupt, and here's a word I rarely use: evil.

We should not even attempt to play nice. While it is admirable, I suppose, that Rangel showed some concern for a colleague, that colleague is responsible horrendous death and destruction and for an America in a serious downward spiral. His health is of no concern to me.

We had better figure this out. We are playing for keeps. These neo-cons are on the verge of unleashing unimaginable catastrophe unless they are stopped. And their fellow travelers in the Democratic party must be removed as well.

Our future, likely our very lives, depend on it. This is not a game.

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» Molly gets it... Posted by: Stop bush now
WHAT THE DEMS WILL DO
Posted by: marrieah on Oct 22, 2006 7:03 AM   
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One of the first things I do hope they will do should they win the majority is have a special procecutor investigation of the Bush era. That is deperately needed. We as voters need a serious accounting of the persons getting paid by our taxpayers money.

True it would be nice to let bygones be bygones but the bills that Bush has put in effect affect us all, and we need answers.

I truly hope that the Dems will get a veto proof victory.

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Save America get Bill on the ballot
Posted by: Kate Q. on Oct 22, 2006 12:54 PM   
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Moyers is the perfect candidate. He is a fearless advocate, unafraid to say that many politicians are simply the shills of selfish, greedy corporate interests,that false prophets are heretics,and that powerful media and lobby groups are peddling corruption.
I would vote for him in a heartbeat!

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SUCKERS to SELLOUTS on the PLANTATION
Posted by: Hal on Oct 22, 2006 10:34 PM   
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More fig leaf limited hangout…

Dems at a DC-MSM poodle show are only marginally less corrupt than their Repug pretend opposition. An opposition led by the most transparent poodle clown president in history and one about as “conservative” as LBJ.

All houses and branches at DC are virtually owned by a de facto monopolist corporate crime state. A grotesque and massive killing farce that Tony Soprano could only wet dream about.

From 911 cover-up to its counterfeit “war on terror’ thru to a “Military Commissions Act of 2006” (a.k.a. Corporate Crime Monopoly Act) this has been one clear and present serial power grab after the next. And all of it for the same old robber baron cartel class.

The real corporate terror on this planet pulls the stings on sellout DC-MSM puppets responsible for at least half a million murdered Iraqis and going on 3000 Americans for blood money hegemony.

Small wonder America is despised worldwide as none of this is news to anyone who’s bothered to look. Americans that can’t face let alone tell the truth are either suckers or sellouts.

No need to wonder which camp is represented here.

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Try the High Road
Posted by: doodles on Oct 26, 2006 7:08 AM   
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Instead of the predictable responses by Dems to winning the House or Senate of either business as usual or payback, why not start with something that all fair thinking people could get behind: Propose changing the House and/or Senate rules so that all investigating committees would actually have power and teeth via having a different structure. The committees' makeup should be equal numbers of both parties, say 4 Dems and 4 Repubs, and alternating Chairpersons. If the person being investigated is a Republican, the Chair would be Democrat, and if a Democrat was being investigaged, the Chair would be a Republican. The other part of this change would have to include guaranteed funding, staff, hearing space, and subpoena power. How different would Washington be if they knew that there would always be someone looking over their shoulder?

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