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Neocons Call for Japanese Nukes, North Korean Regime Change

By Jim Lobe, IPS News. Posted October 13, 2006.


North Korea's claim that it conducted a nuclear test has neoconservatives making public calls for the most radical policies available to the U.S. establishment.

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Encouraging Japan to build nuclear weapons, shipping food aid via submarines, and running secret sabotage operations inside North Korea's borders are among a raft of policy prescriptions pushed by prominent U.S. neoconservatives in the wake of Pyongyang's nuclear test.

Writing in publications from National Review Online (NRO) to the New York Times, neoconservatives claim, contrary to the lessons drawn by "realist" and other critics of the George W. Bush administration, that Monday's test vindicates their long-held view that negotiations with "rogue" states like North Korea are useless and that "regime change" -- by military means, if necessary -- is the only answer.

"With our intelligence on North Korea so uneven, the doctrine of preemption must return to the fore," wrote Dan Blumenthal, an Asia specialist at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) who worked for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld during Bush's first term, in the NRO Tuesday. "Any talk of renewed six-party talks [involving China, Japan, Russia, the United States and the two Koreas] must be resisted."

The North Korean test "has stripped any plausibility to arguments that engaging dictators works," according to Michael Rubin, a Middle East specialist at AEI, who added that the Bush administration now faces a "watershed" in its relations with other states that have defied Washington in recent years.

"This crisis is not just about North Korea, but about Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and Cuba as well," according to Rubin. "Bush now has two choices: to respond forcefully and show that defiance has consequence, or affirm that defiance pays and that international will is illusionary.

"...(He) must now choose whether his legacy will be one of inaction or leadership, Chamberlain or Churchill," he added in a reference to the pre-World War II debate between the "appeasement" of British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and the war policy of his successor, Winston Churchill.

The neoconservatives, whose influence on the Bush administration has generally been on the wane since late 2003 when it became clear that the Iraq war that they had done so much to champion was going badly, nonetheless retain some clout, particularly through the offices of Vice President Dick Cheney and Pentagon chief Rumsfeld.

They are opposed by the "realists" who are concentrated in the State Department and also include former secretary of state Colin Powell; his chief deputy, Richard Armacost; and a number of top national security officials in the administration of former President George H.W. Bush, such as former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, and secretary of state James Baker, who just last weekend publicly called for Washington to directly engage its "enemies," including North Korea, Syria and Iran.

That stance is anathema to the neoconservatives and their right-wing allies, such as Cheney, who, at one national security council meeting on North Korea several years ago, was reported to have said, "We don't negotiate with evil; we defeat it."

The neoconservatives' main area of concern has historically been the Middle East -- indeed, their central focus in recent months has been publicizing the threats to the United States and Israel allegedly posed by Iran and Hezbollah and opposing any realist appeals to engage Tehran and Damascus in direct talks. But they have also been warning for some time against "the appeasement" of North Korea and its chief source of material aid and support, China.

In their view, Beijing has always had the power to force Pyongyang to give up its nuclear arms programs, and the fact that it has not done so demonstrates that China sees itself as a "strategic rival" of Washington, a phrase much favored by administration hawks during Bush's first year in office.

Indeed, in the most prominent neoconservative reaction to the North Korean test to date, former Bush speechwriter David Frum called in a column published by the New York Times for the administration to take a series of measures designed to "punish China" for its failure to bring Pyongyang to heel.

Among them, Frum, who is also based at AEI and is sometimes credited with inventing the phrase "axis of evil," in which North Korea, Iran and Iraq were lumped together, for Bush's 2002 State of the Union address, urged the administration to cut off all humanitarian aid to North Korea, pressure South Korea to do the same, and thus force China to "shoulder the cost of helping to avert" North Korea's economic collapse.

Frum, who is also based at AEI, urged that Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore be invited to join NATO and that Taiwan, which China regards as a renegade province, send observers to NATO meetings.

Frum, who in 2003 coauthored "An End to Evil" with former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle, also suggested that Washington "encourage Japan to renounce the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and create its own nuclear deterrent."

"A nuclear Japan is the thing China and North Korea dread most (after, perhaps, a nuclear South Korea or Taiwan)," he asserted.

"Not only would the nuclearization of Japan be a punishment of China and North Korea," he wrote, "but it would also go far to meet our goal of dissuading Iran (from trying to obtain a nuclear weapons) ... The analog for Iran, of course, would be the threat of American aid to improve Israel's capacity to hit targets with nuclear weapons," according to Frum.

Other neoconservatives echoed Blumenthal's position that the Six-Party Talks should be abandoned and called for the administration to resist any further appeals for bilateral talks between Washington and Pyongyang -- repeatedly made by China, South Korea and Russia, as well as by realists here, over the past several years.

"There will be renewed calls for bilateral talks between Washington and Pyongyang. That would be a mistake," according to the lead editorial in the neoconservative Wall Street Journal, which also urged the United States to "make clear that a military response is not off the table."

Other commentators called for strong efforts to achieve regime change. James Robbins, senior fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council, called for covert action, including "sabotage, espionage, information operations, subversion, deception -- the works. A highly paranoid totalitarian regime like Kim (Jong Il's) will be highly susceptible to these methods," he predicted.

At the same time, former House Speaker and DPB member Newt Gingrich, who is also based at AEI, said he favored continuing shipments of U.S. food aid but through a covert delivery system "consciously designed to undermine the dictatorship."

"Food might be parachuted into the country, delivered from submarines and small boats by clandestine services, shipped in from China and Russia through anti-regime middlemen and delivered in every way possible to divert energy and authority away from the government and toward an alternative organizing system of individuals dedicated to a better more prosperous life," he wrote.

Like his fellow neoconservatives, Frank Gaffney, the president of the Center for Security Policy, called for accelerated development and deployment of Washington's embryonic but extraordinarily costly missile defense system, including a ship-launched system that can shoot down ballistic missiles of various ranges "whether launched from places like North Korea or from tramp steamers off our coasts."

He also urged Washington to resume periodic underground nuclear tests of its own, ending a moratorium on such testing announced by former President George H.W. Bush in 1992.

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Jim Lobe is the Washington bureau chief for Inter Press Service.

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Newsflash!
Posted by: Temporary on Oct 13, 2006 12:40 AM   
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The Japs ALREADY have nukes just like Israel and Iran! The issue really is, how OPEN are they going to be about it!

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» Yeah that would be a Newsflash Posted by: Elmowilcox
» RE: Yeah that would be a Newsflash Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Newsflash! Posted by: glorybe
» RE: Newsflash! Posted by: COC
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» RE: Newsflash! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Newsflash! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Nuking anyone is a very bad idea. Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Newsflash! Posted by: artie
worthless bums
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 13, 2006 1:31 AM   
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Neo cons are simply worthless bums making money from the stupidest ideas imaginable which will only cause mass death throughout the world. The top neocon, Cheney is the world's #1 creator of mass death and torture which means he is the world's #1 source of human death, injury and destruction. We are being led by deranged immoral criminals.

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Yet another deeply offensive neocon.
Posted by: Colin on Oct 13, 2006 3:38 AM   
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I can't believe that people like this idiot think it's okay to say such things. Given not only Japan's history relating to nuclear weapons and, of course, America's prominent role in that history - where does this person get off thinking he can talk like this? The rest of the world is not a tool which can be used to implement the narrow minded foreign policy of one almighty rogue state.

Although I doubt it would matter too much to American policy makers, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe went on record pretty well immediately after the nuclear tests to state Japan’s position on the matter.

“We have no intention of changing our policy that possessing nuclear weapons is not our option… There will be no change in our non-nuclear arms principles. We want to seek a solution through peaceful and diplomatic means.”

Source for quote.

That was an official response given to a parliamentary committee, not an off-the-cuff remark.

Now, can you imagine what would happen if senior Japanese officials went on record a few days after the American president had stated America was going to act in a certain way, undermining their sovereign right to chose their own path and instead deciding how America should act?

Don’t worry – you won’t have to. There’s only one county in the world where such behaviour is not just acceptable but apparently the norm.

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Uneducated idiot neocons
Posted by: colinmeister on Oct 13, 2006 4:11 AM   
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"Frum, who is also based at AEI, urged that Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore to be invited to join NATO"

Wher did you go to school, Mr. Frum? NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, and since when have Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore been anywhere near the North Atlantic?

As far as "Punishing China", the way the US could do that is to stop all imports of Chinese manufactured goods into the USA. Of course, that would mean that companies like Wal*Mart wouldn't have anything to sell US consumers...

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» Let me add Posted by: COC
Neocons: the greatest danger to American liberty since WWII
Posted by: DougScott on Oct 13, 2006 6:10 AM   
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For the truth about Bush and his cabal of treasonous neocons, visit -- www.FreedomCentralUSA.com.

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a little too self righteous, perhaps?
Posted by: joey on Oct 13, 2006 6:11 AM   
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I think the first and smartest thing to do would be to stop calling these countries and their leaders "evil". If someone called me evil, I think I might be just a little insulted. I guess I can't see how calling somone evil and then saying "hey let's talk" would open up a chance for honest negotiations when the "axis of evil" knows our true desire is to defeat the "evil". The word "evil" has a religious intonation and it's all too apparent that none of these countires are Christian. Their approach is single-minded and gives the impression we truly are fghting a holy war and that our purpose truly is to take over their countries and convert their people. And we can't imagine why they would want to arm themselves against us?

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Resume nuclear testing?
Posted by: Uncle Crabby on Oct 13, 2006 6:50 AM   
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How many neocons, do you imagine, we can stuff down that hole with the nuclear device? I would like to suggest ... ALL OF THEM!

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mark
Posted by: mikmojo06 on Oct 13, 2006 8:16 AM   
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It's frightening that Frum and other agents at AEI get so much exposure in the media. Their analysis of nuclear proliferation and diplomacy is juvenile at best. Rubin, Frum and Gingrich debating international policy makes a dialogue between Dim Bulb and Arnold seem academic.
God help us all if they can actually influence foreign policy again.

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Ah Sweet Mystery of Life
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Oct 13, 2006 8:42 AM   
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It seems odd to me that the way to enforce nuclear proliferation would be to encourage another country to develop the bomb. Then again is it more weird than punishing China for not interfering in N. Korea?
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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The rabid right has gone insane.
Posted by: shangrilalad on Oct 13, 2006 8:43 AM   
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When are a majority of Americans going to realize that the rabid right has gone insane? Bush, Cheney and most of the republican leadership are psychopaths. Their belligerence and preemptive wars have convinced the world that no one is safe unless they have a nuclear deterrence and they will strive to buy or acquire one by any means. No one buys the crap that their only intent is to spread democracy.

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The neocons have influence because.....
Posted by: tap17x on Oct 13, 2006 9:02 AM   
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...........Bushit has no knowledge, no ideas, no insight, and no brain. If his IQ were over 40, he wouldn't listen to them and we'd be in much less danger.

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Some thoughts
Posted by: Jesse on Oct 13, 2006 9:03 AM   
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There are several issues that come up with a nuclear Japan. Aside from their constitution, there is the fact that a right-wing nationalist has been elected twice now, and that scares everyone in Asia. People in the Phillipines and Korea haven't forgotten WWII, nor have the Chinese. Imagine if the Germans started talking about remilitarizing and you get the idea. (Remember when Maggie Thatcher used to say she thought a re-unified Germany was the worst possible idea?).

In any case, the Japanese government has been divided over remilitarizing and the Japanese right has been pushing it, which hasn't been helpful in this situation.

The Japanese can build weapons because they have a (relatively) large nuclear industry. By definition you could build a bomb with that, the constraint being how fast you want to do it and what kind you want to build.

The DPRK has only one reactor (if it had more a satellite photo would show it-- reactors are big things that are kind of hard to hide, unless Kim Jong Il has found a way to subvert the laws of physics). So unless they dismantle it and use the fuel rods, they can't make more than a small number of bombs. It is still a toss-up as to whether they even built one. If they really wanted to have a military advantage they wouldn't be telling the whole world about it.

I don't think the Chinese are all that worried about a nuclear South Korea per se, as it's been clear what would happen if they invaded it-- the Korean War, which ended in a stalemate. War with the US would hurt their economy badly. Heck, the trade with the South Koreans is pretty darned profitable too. The Chinese have quite publicly told Kim Jong Il to behave, and they are his only friends, sort of. Even if the Dear Leader was an irrational megalomaniac--and I have seen no evidence that he is irrational, anyhow--he would think twice about taking the Korean peninsula down in flames, and himself with it.

Then there are the South Koreans, who are also players here--they have made it clear that they will not tolerate another war--or the belligerence on any side that leads that way. The last one was bad enough, thank you.

The DPRK has been asking for direct talks and a peace treaty with the US (we're still technically at war with them). That's not a lot. The second is pretty meaningless, except to demonstrate we won't invade. If anything it's a PR coup for the US. It might even demonstrate to the rest of the world that we aren't a bunch of warmongering freaks. Take the high road and all that.

The first part--direct talks--isn't all that difficult either. It isn't like the DPRK is in any position to demand all that much. Can anyone honestly come up with a realistic scenario in which they "win?" Where Dear Leader rules Korea? It would be like the East Germans saying they were going to hold the FRG hostage unless the country was unified under Communism--and saying it without a USSR to support them.

I am not a big fan of Kim Jong Il, but realistically an invasion to topple him is just plain silly and dangerous. The US would not be greeted as liberators there either. (The Koreans were none to happy with US troops there the first time, nor did they like the US-imposed military dictator). Leaving aside the destruction it would cause. The South Koreans have said they will continue to build ties, which will go a long way towards toppling the Communists--a longer way than any military posturing in the US. In Eastern Europe it was Westerners going as tourists to the East, and showing what the system there was not delivering, as much as the burdens of attacks from the CIA, that brought the Communist parties down.

The problem with the neocon approach is that it makes Kim more dangerous, not less, and only escalates tensions, and divides what allies we have over there. I don't see this as helpful.

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» RE: Some thoughts Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Some thoughts Posted by: yellow
Not to Worry !!!
Posted by: james2021 on Oct 13, 2006 11:52 AM   
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Nothing to worry about here, there is no OIL in North Korea, and no way for Halliburton to make lots of money.

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» RE: Not to Worry !!! Posted by: AllenM
Ramping up for nuclear profiteering and an attack on Iran
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 13, 2006 11:57 AM   
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First of all, the North Korea's nuclear test created a huge PR problem for Bush's plans to bomb and/or invade Iran on 'weapons of mass destruction grounds'. How are they responding?

First, by throwing doubt on the nuclear nature of the test - see the alternet link http://www.alternet.org/wire/#42981. It's unlikely that an underground nuclear test would eject radioactive material into the atmosphere, don't you think?

Second, by hauling the neocon crazies out into the spotlight and having them call for invading Iran in response to North Korea's nuclear test, as the above article shows:

""This crisis is not just about North Korea, but about Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and Cuba as well," according to Rubin. "Bush now has two choices: to respond forcefully and show that defiance has consequence, or affirm that defiance pays and that international will is illusionary."

The call for the US to resume underground nuclear testing falls right into the overall strategy of the Bush Administration & their cronies. The two nuclear weapons labs in the US, Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos, are most likely going to be managed by a coalition including the University of California, Bechtel Engineering (government contractor), BWXT Technologies (nuclear weapons), The Washington Group (engineering and nuclear power), and Battelle Memorial Institute/ Battelle Energy Alliance (biological warfare research, active RFID spy technology, and other creepy spook activity).

These companies all hope to make a ton of cash off of a new US push for nuclear weapons production and biological warfare (i.e. anthrax vaccine and smallpox vaccine - prerequisites to using anthrax and smallpox as weapons).

These companies are just using the University of California for cover - because the public would be outraged if the nuclear weapons labs were taken over by private companies - which is exactly what is happening, even though the craven media appears to be unwilling to report on it.

The level of corruption and deception is truly mind-boggling.

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The USA Bully is Slapping Everyone Around
Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 13, 2006 1:10 PM   
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Just how stupid can these neocons be? IT'S A FACT OF LIFE, if something or someone is threatening you, coming after you, trying to make your life miserable if you do not do it there way, that you fight back. This is true for individuals and certainly for countries. The neocons seem to actually want countries like Iran and N Korea to somehow kow-tow, and "acknwoledge the brilliance of the USA." So, if they do not comply, the USA approach is to threaten them, blockade them and or nuke em. I don't know about you but this is only a recipe for war. War, war, war and more war. So, the other part of the neocon approach is to gut social spending to the max, and pour more and more money into defense, into the war machine. So World, what is the solution? When the neighboorhood bully is slapping everyone around, what is the world going to do? Sing Kumbya to the USA and bow at their feet?

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OhMyGod
Posted by: AllenM on Oct 13, 2006 1:30 PM   
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An interview on that subversive radio station National Public Radio (NPR) this morning with a cartoonist who was allowed the highly managed freedom(!?) to live in North Korea while compiling his new comic book on the country illustrated the direct link and relationship between North Koreas dictator and ours; by keeping their populations in constant fear by the villification of each other and the people they are contolling, the average Baby Eating N. Korean and the Babies Blood Drinking American are sharing the same fate.... ignorance. Now that he mentioned it, they do sort of resemble each other when they get mad and animated! Just think... Kim and George... blood brothers in fear and ignorance. Self perpetuating brinkmanship towards war.

Kind of makes you proud to be led by the same kind of character that can decimate and starve millions of his children while leading them into the Stone Age. Makes you sleep better at night, does't it?

Allen

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Frank
Posted by: FRoller on Oct 14, 2006 10:37 PM   
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I think it's time we bring our troops home from Afganistan and Iraq and send in all of the declared neo-cons to finish their f'kd up war themselves. Most likely they'd do a piss poor job and get themselves killed. North Korean problem, solved!

Neo-cons sure do love going to war. I can't see how they can call themselves 'conservative'. How about we call them Neo-Idiots instead???

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» RE: Frank Posted by: yellow
North Korea is unique
Posted by: timebomb734 on Oct 15, 2006 10:52 AM   
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"This crisis is not just about North Korea, but about Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and Cuba as well," according to Rubin.

North Korea is the only existing autarky on the globe. Its isolation is dangerous, thus I would hardly compare it to the likes of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, and Cuba, all of whom are loads more integrated when compared to N Korea. This seems like nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse to treat these states as if they behaved like a North Korea. But then again, that would only be too convenient.

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» RE: North Korea is unique Posted by: Conservasaurus
North Korea Nukes.
Posted by: yellow on Oct 15, 2006 12:08 PM   
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The recent UN Security Council 15-0 vote in favor of sanctions against the Regime of Kim Jong-Il sent a very strong message to the defiant leader about his nuclear program. But is it really about nukes and international security? It seems that the much maligned diarmament program that was begun by Clinton and Carter in 1994, and which was destroyed by the US Senate Republicans, could have been successful if pursued as tenaciously as was saber rattling and UN sanctions. It seems from the sanctions, and the many military clauses dropped from the original US authored UN sanctions resolution at the insistance of Russia and China, that the goal is to contain, provoke, and destabilize Korea and ultimately pursue regime change.

One of the reasons for this goes even beyond regime change. South Korea's "Sunshine Policy" in the early 1990s could have led to a reunification of the two Koreas much like the 1980s reunification of the two Germanys. If this occured further independant measures to determine the future of a unified Korea would have moved in a more peaceful and multilateral direction much reducing the need for US military bases and troop presence from which the US economy and corporations glean much profit. Finally, peace would mean Chinese and to a lesser extent Russian influence would eclipse US influence and imperial perogative with regard to determining political outcomes in the region. In the early 1990s, Japan was discouraged by the US from giving a badly needed emergency loan to Russia so that the US could finance a much smaller loan with greater political terms attached in order to get Russian policies in line with US led globalization and WTO rules. This influence would be greatly reduced without crisis after crisis enhancing US military power in the region. The Korean crisis was exacerbated by US imperialism. Its continuation is needed by those same imperialist forces in order for the US not to be ultimately politically and economically marginalized in the Pacific Rim.

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so they want to punish china, ? [sic]
Posted by: denk on Oct 16, 2006 12:22 AM   
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Indeed, in the most prominent neo-conservative reaction to the North Korean test to date, former Bush speechwriter David Frum called in a column published by the New York Times for the administration to take a series of measures designed to "punish China" for its failure to bring Pyongyang to heel...........

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listen up, they want to bring pyongyang to heel, thats the whole problem -- they dont want dialogue, they want nk to declare kaput.

first they sabotaged clinton's agreement with nk, then scuttled south korea's sunshine policy to reconcile with the north, they classified nk as a member of the axis of evils and threatened preemptive nuclear stike. when nk felt that it was backed into a corner and decided that the nuke was their gaurantee against a us attack, uncle sham cried foul, using nk's reaction to justify more sabre rattling, er, more juice (trillions of bucks for their buddies in lockheed martin etc) for the socalled star war missile defence system and.....more pressure for china.

if china lean on nk too hard, it risk antagonising one of its few allies, ie, if it hasnt done so already, at a time when unce sham is trying to tighten the noose around its neck. if it eased off somewhat and nk refuse to budge, its blamed for blocking a solution to the korean "crisis."
take a look at all the "crisis" from korea to taiwan to iraq or palestine....., first uncle sham formented the crisis, then refused all peace gesture from the target, finally declared the victim as beyond reasoning and called for a military intervention. the whole nk "cirsis" was a set up right along, it has the standard us modus operandii all over it.

china is in a no win situation, exactly where the us wants it.
the us media is full of craps like china is using nk as its "pit bull", thats why it shows no interest in reigning in the nks.
oh really, who sabotaged china's peace effort in 1980 and who wrecked it again in 2003?
the sobs have the cheek to blame it all on the "chicoms",
wtf

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