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"There is another way, or other ways, to look at the race issue in America," writes Gerald Schoenewolf, a member of NARTH's Science Advisory Committee. "Africa at the time of slavery was still primarily a jungle … Life there was savage … and those brought to America, and other countries, were in many ways better off."
NARTH is a coalition of psychologists who believe it's possible to "cure" homosexuality, a position rejected by the American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association. The controversy over Schoenewolf's apology for slavery has battered the so-called "ex-gay" movement with accusations of racial bigotry for the first time. The movement's leaders and their close allies at Christian Right powerhouses like Focus on the Family have failed to condemn Schoenwolf's inflammatory arguments.
Titled "Gay Rights and Political Correctness: A Brief History," Schoenewolf's angry polemic was published on NARTH's website. In addition to his outrageous historical claims about the conditions of life in Africa, he writes that human rights proponents are intellectually stunted. (Schoenewolf draws upon Swiss child psychologist Jean Piaget, who theorized four stages of intellectual development, with the most advanced stage consisting of abstract and complex thinking. "[F]ollowers in the human rights movement," have not reached this stage, according to Schoenewolf.)
Schoenewolf, a psychotherapist who lives in New York City, is director of The Living Center, an online therapy center for people in the arts. He has authored 14 books, among them "The Art of Hating," in which he writes, "Many people talk about hate, but few know how to hate well."
When interviewed last week for this article, Schoenewolf stood by his comments on the intellectual inferiority of civil rights movement supporters. "The civil rights movement has from the beginning and today seen itself as good and others are evil, like slaveowners are evil," he said.
During the interview, Schoenewolf lambasted civil rights, women's rights, and gay rights. "All such movements are destructive," he said. He also claimed the American Psychological Association, of which he is a member, "has been taken over by extremist gays."
Schoenewolf's essay first appeared on NARTH's website in the fall of 2005, but apparently went unnoticed by critics until mid-September, around the time the executive director of the National Black Justice Coalition, a black gay and lesbian advocacy organization, delivered to NARTH a formal letter of protest. "In the name of propriety, respect, common decency and professional integrity, the National Black Justice Coalition strongly urges NARTH to issue a public apology on the front page of its website for publishing such an outrageous and offensive article," wrote H. Alexander Robinson. "We also hope that you reevaluate your relationship with Dr. Schoenewolf, whose peculiar views have no place in civilized discourse."
Then, in late September, the gay rights group Truth Wins Out called on Focus on the Family to cancel a speaking appearance by NARTH executive director Joseph Nicolosi scheduled for a Focus on the Family conference held Sept. 23 in Palm Springs, Calif.
Nicolosi appeared as planned. But the Schoenewolf essay was erased from NARTH's website the same day as the Focus on the Family conference. Then, on Oct. 6, NARTH posted this statement to its website: "NARTH regrets the comments made by Dr. Schoenwolf about slavery which have been misconstrued by some of our readers. It should go without saying that we do not wish to minimize the suffering of those who have been mistreated because of race, sex, religious beliefs or sexual orientation." The statement makes no mention of the civil rights movement.
Nicolosi has yet to publicly address the future of Schoenewolf's relationship with NARTH. He also did not respond to multiple voice mail messages and emails seeking comment for this article. Michael Haley, manager of Focus on the Family's homosexuality and gender department, likewise did not respond. Calls and emails to Focus on the Family press managers went unanswered.
For now, Schoenewolf remains a member of NARTH's Science Advisory Committee. This committee has "the authority of opinion and the authority of their recommendations," over what is published by NARTH, according to former committee member David Blakeslee, who resigned in protest over the Schoenewolf essay Sept. 29.
"Whenever a scientific organization speaks inaccurately about science and conflates it with politics, the general public can be significantly misled and harmed," he wrote in his letter of resigation.
In an interview for this report, Blakeslee said: "Schoenewolf's article was so over the line that it justifiably outraged a number of people."
Even so, other NARTH members have leapt to Schoenewolf's defense on the organization's official blog, whose administrator, "Sojourneer," summed up the outcry over the essay as "lies and distortion, in an attempt to discredit Narth [sic] and Dr. Shoenewolf [sic].
"Just because Schoenewolf said some good can come out of a bad situation [slavery] does not make him a racist," the NARTH administrator wrote. "It was just his opinion and does not reflect Narth's [sic] position on the topic."
So what exactly is NARTH's position on equal rights for nonwhites? On the NARTH website, the section marked "NARTH and Civil Rights" states: "It is NARTH's position that science, not activism, should inform legal decisions and public policies," a position that could easily be read to support Schoenewolf's hostility towards the civil rights movement. NARTH's position statement is particularly ironic in light of the organization's close relationship with Focus on the Family, which clearly engages in political activism.
Blakeslee isn't the only NARTH supporter to sever ties with the organization over its failure to denounce Schoenewolf.
"This was a slam dunk. They should have said, 'These are not our views.' People have asked them to clarify what they meant by this and [instead] they've in fact defended it," says Warren Throckmorton, a professor of psychology at Grove City College and a former member of NARTH.
Before the Schoenewolf controversy, Throckmorton was slated to present at NARTH's annual conference in November in Orlando, Fla. Now, he's pulled out, and wants nothing to do with the group.
"This stuff about political correctness and slavery is very far outfield," he said. "I'm appalled by it, and a lot of people within NARTH are as well, but they don't have the authority to speak out on it. And those who do have the authority aren't."
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Methinks all the original author was saying is that there are usually more than two sides to a story, and that we ought to take a look at some of those other views. The world isn't a binary zone. We ought not place artificial constraints on thought.
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Progressive Oregonian Jefferson Smith recently called the movement for equal rights regardless of sexual orientation "the civil rights movement of our generation." Maybe the current struggle for same-sex marriage and other basic human rights is not comparable in scale to the civil rights movement of the 1960's, but perhaps it would be if sexual preference were as obvious as one's skin color.
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Less well understood is the disruption created in the African states and communities through slavery. Slavery would have made difficult the stability required for social development in all its forms and decimated the concentration of citizens in the prime of their lives who represent the central person power to lead such development. The physical and psychological dislocation continued into the terrible experience of crossing the Middle Passage in the massive numbers of those who died in those horrific conditions where they were dehumanised. It persisted in the distortions represented by forced dislocation to another land to work as beasts of burden for generations. Even after emancipation, they were not regarded as fully human, they were not seen as sharing the humanity of their former enslavers so they were segregated and downtrodden, a reality that is the central reason for the existence of the combative force represented by the civil rights movement which the original writer and his supporters denigrate. The African-American communities and the locations settled by freed slaves, such as Sierra Leone, have still not recovered fully from this physical and psychological trauma.
Colonialism rewrote the character of African communities in terms dictated by the Caucasian overlords, and set in motion a process of global marginalisation of Africa that continues today. It is reinforced through structural management of the global economy as well as the direct and indirect connivance of African collaborators.
Within the line of thought represented by Schoenewolf and those who are argue that he is making a balanced argument, therefore, the Jewish Holocaust and African slavery are not so much an expression of the utmost barbarism but an acceleration or even a catalyst for positive social developments.
This way of contextualising such shallow thinking indicates the frightening repercussions of such ideas.
Its also not truethat Africa before slavery was a savage place. Historians have demonstrated that pre-slavery and pre-colonial Africans have developed all the fundamental structures of civilisation, and had their own state structures. See the UNESCO History of Africa.
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They just want to run other people's lives be it gays or blacks whoever. That's always a dangerous game. I'm sure if you dig deep enough into the members of this organization there are some Nazi sympathizers as well.
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As someone said, maybe the Holocaust should be viewed as having been a good thing, for now jewish zionists can bomb up the middle east, displace thousands, make their own camps/ghettos, and have an unbalanced relationship with the United States. After all, they did get Palestine (er, Isreal)!
This guy is disgusting and should wallow in a pit of shit and vomit...even that might be too good for him.
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As someone said, maybe the Holocaust should be viewed as having been a good thing, for now jewish zionists can bomb up the middle east, displace thousands, make their own camps/ghettos, and have an unbalanced relationship with the United States. After all, they did get Palestine (er, Isreal)!
This guy is disgusting and should wallow in a pit of shit and vomit...even that might be too good for him.
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And furthermore, all human life has been found to have started in Africa. Does that mean that we should all of us be deprived of rights and be in slavery? Who would be master in that case?
This article bespeaks of total ignorance of geography, science, anthropology and history- not to speak of humanity.
It is well that Alternet offers this to us so that we can know and can be forwarned about the nonsense coming from the totally uninformed and ignorant.
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....but I guess that would be savage of me wouldn't it?
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At the very least, it's reason enough for African-Americans and gays to understand the need to guard each other's backs against a common enemy.
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Then came the 1964 US national election and everything began to change. In true dialectical fashion, what seemed like the beginning of a new demise of the right-wing white South with civil rights also presented a new political beginning which would manifest more boldly a decade and a half later. The Republican Party began to take over the South from the Southern Democrats. As Walter Cronkite said, "Overnight, the Party of Lincoln became the Party of Jim Crow!" The south began to realign politically and with the collapse of the northern industrial rust belt and the rise of the sunbelt the south was ready to take over by 1980! Their adage could well have been "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em!" Indeed, by gradually attempting to take over the US political system and then wage a culture war for the heart of the US value system they will have won the old Civil War at this rate. Of course, not all southerners are reactionary theocrats and not all northerners progressive liberals. However, they are concentrated respectively south and north and the general thrust of what is going on today is very possibly a north/south culture war with small groups of opponents on each side of the Mason-Dixon Line. The drivel expressed by this racist anti-gay bigot is standard Southern fare. Opposition to it concentrated North. The deep South wants to extend its cultural/political sphere over the whole of US civil society. The socio-economic orientation of the Bush Regime and its political connections are southern and specifically Texan. Globalization has led back again to regionalism and localism in the pursuit of global economic and political hegemony and power. A Gramscian style struggle for counter-hegemony in a "war of position" in both the north and south to reorient US thinking and attitudes is needed to stop the impending fascist horrors that await us if people like these bigots get their way.
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let me repeat that:
1/3 DIED ON THE WAY THERE.
no matter how "jungle" you view Africa as, that's better than dead.
second: you are ware that a. not all of Africa is jungle, b. there have been, you know, cities in Africa since, umm, well since there have been cities, and c. there has been science, culture, art, government, i.e. civilization in Africa since, oh yeah, since there has been any of things things anywhere.
third: in cities like Newark the life expectancy for a Black male is about the same as a man in Bangladesh and other "3rd World" nations (the "3rd World is in quotes because who gets to decide which is first anyway?). so your "so much better" doesn't apply to all Black folks in America.
and finally: all Black people in America, all People of Colour, in fact all people, have been and continue to be damaged by the legacy of slavery. whether White folks want to believe it or not racism (their own, not some reverse crap) is painful and harmful to them. an example would be someone looking at a vicious history and being able to say, "not so bad." to me that is delusion and suppressed pain.
i stopped looking at this site for a bit because i am always amazed that we even have to debate these kinds of things IN THE FRICKIN' LEFT.
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and not all of us here are liberals.
some of us would call ourselves revolutionaries.
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We value free speech just as much as our southern neighbors, but careers have been broken for much less in here. In fact, if you say it, you gotta prove it, and if you don't, you gotta pay for it.
Dearly.
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The Africans who were valued as slaves were gentle farmers and artisans, mostly from West Africa. The more fierce tribes of the Savannah were avoided.
"Savages" make very bad slaves! It was the ferocity of the North American Indian tribes that kept them from suffering the fate of their South American cousins, who were enslaved by the Spaniards. Nobody sane would try to put a captured Comanche in charge of their nursery, not if they liked their kids!
(The above comment is NOT an insult to the Comanches; it is a compliment. They worked hard to be the most feared tribe on the plains, and they took pride in it. My distant relatives among the Comanche confirm this.)
Getting back to Africa, note tht the f**king slavers never came to the lands of the Zulu or the Masai --- at least, they never came twice!
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We're ALL slaves (to something or someone) in different forms.
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This guy is almost funny, except he evidently believes this shit, which just makes him sick, sad and not worthy of a minute of my time.
I prefer to live happily oblivious, not knowing there are people like that out there.
Sadly, with the internet I now know way more than I want to know.
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Methinks all the original author was saying is that there are usually more than two sides to a story, and that we ought to take a look at some of those other views. The world isn't a binary zone. We ought not place artificial constraints on thought.
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Progressive Oregonian Jefferson Smith recently called the movement for equal rights regardless of sexual orientation "the civil rights movement of our generation." Maybe the current struggle for same-sex marriage and other basic human rights is not comparable in scale to the civil rights movement of the 1960's, but perhaps it would be if sexual preference were as obvious as one's skin color.
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Less well understood is the disruption created in the African states and communities through slavery. Slavery would have made difficult the stability required for social development in all its forms and decimated the concentration of citizens in the prime of their lives who represent the central person power to lead such development. The physical and psychological dislocation continued into the terrible experience of crossing the Middle Passage in the massive numbers of those who died in those horrific conditions where they were dehumanised. It persisted in the distortions represented by forced dislocation to another land to work as beasts of burden for generations. Even after emancipation, they were not regarded as fully human, they were not seen as sharing the humanity of their former enslavers so they were segregated and downtrodden, a reality that is the central reason for the existence of the combative force represented by the civil rights movement which the original writer and his supporters denigrate. The African-American communities and the locations settled by freed slaves, such as Sierra Leone, have still not recovered fully from this physical and psychological trauma.
Colonialism rewrote the character of African communities in terms dictated by the Caucasian overlords, and set in motion a process of global marginalisation of Africa that continues today. It is reinforced through structural management of the global economy as well as the direct and indirect connivance of African collaborators.
Within the line of thought represented by Schoenewolf and those who are argue that he is making a balanced argument, therefore, the Jewish Holocaust and African slavery are not so much an expression of the utmost barbarism but an acceleration or even a catalyst for positive social developments.
This way of contextualising such shallow thinking indicates the frightening repercussions of such ideas.
Its also not truethat Africa before slavery was a savage place. Historians have demonstrated that pre-slavery and pre-colonial Africans have developed all the fundamental structures of civilisation, and had their own state structures. See the UNESCO History of Africa.
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They just want to run other people's lives be it gays or blacks whoever. That's always a dangerous game. I'm sure if you dig deep enough into the members of this organization there are some Nazi sympathizers as well.
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As someone said, maybe the Holocaust should be viewed as having been a good thing, for now jewish zionists can bomb up the middle east, displace thousands, make their own camps/ghettos, and have an unbalanced relationship with the United States. After all, they did get Palestine (er, Isreal)!
This guy is disgusting and should wallow in a pit of shit and vomit...even that might be too good for him.
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As someone said, maybe the Holocaust should be viewed as having been a good thing, for now jewish zionists can bomb up the middle east, displace thousands, make their own camps/ghettos, and have an unbalanced relationship with the United States. After all, they did get Palestine (er, Isreal)!
This guy is disgusting and should wallow in a pit of shit and vomit...even that might be too good for him.
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Posted by: Maryanne on Oct 14, 2006 4:23 PM
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And furthermore, all human life has been found to have started in Africa. Does that mean that we should all of us be deprived of rights and be in slavery? Who would be master in that case?
This article bespeaks of total ignorance of geography, science, anthropology and history- not to speak of humanity.
It is well that Alternet offers this to us so that we can know and can be forwarned about the nonsense coming from the totally uninformed and ignorant.
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....but I guess that would be savage of me wouldn't it?
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At the very least, it's reason enough for African-Americans and gays to understand the need to guard each other's backs against a common enemy.
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Then came the 1964 US national election and everything began to change. In true dialectical fashion, what seemed like the beginning of a new demise of the right-wing white South with civil rights also presented a new political beginning which would manifest more boldly a decade and a half later. The Republican Party began to take over the South from the Southern Democrats. As Walter Cronkite said, "Overnight, the Party of Lincoln became the Party of Jim Crow!" The south began to realign politically and with the collapse of the northern industrial rust belt and the rise of the sunbelt the south was ready to take over by 1980! Their adage could well have been "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em!" Indeed, by gradually attempting to take over the US political system and then wage a culture war for the heart of the US value system they will have won the old Civil War at this rate. Of course, not all southerners are reactionary theocrats and not all northerners progressive liberals. However, they are concentrated respectively south and north and the general thrust of what is going on today is very possibly a north/south culture war with small groups of opponents on each side of the Mason-Dixon Line. The drivel expressed by this racist anti-gay bigot is standard Southern fare. Opposition to it concentrated North. The deep South wants to extend its cultural/political sphere over the whole of US civil society. The socio-economic orientation of the Bush Regime and its political connections are southern and specifically Texan. Globalization has led back again to regionalism and localism in the pursuit of global economic and political hegemony and power. A Gramscian style struggle for counter-hegemony in a "war of position" in both the north and south to reorient US thinking and attitudes is needed to stop the impending fascist horrors that await us if people like these bigots get their way.
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let me repeat that:
1/3 DIED ON THE WAY THERE.
no matter how "jungle" you view Africa as, that's better than dead.
second: you are ware that a. not all of Africa is jungle, b. there have been, you know, cities in Africa since, umm, well since there have been cities, and c. there has been science, culture, art, government, i.e. civilization in Africa since, oh yeah, since there has been any of things things anywhere.
third: in cities like Newark the life expectancy for a Black male is about the same as a man in Bangladesh and other "3rd World" nations (the "3rd World is in quotes because who gets to decide which is first anyway?). so your "so much better" doesn't apply to all Black folks in America.
and finally: all Black people in America, all People of Colour, in fact all people, have been and continue to be damaged by the legacy of slavery. whether White folks want to believe it or not racism (their own, not some reverse crap) is painful and harmful to them. an example would be someone looking at a vicious history and being able to say, "not so bad." to me that is delusion and suppressed pain.
i stopped looking at this site for a bit because i am always amazed that we even have to debate these kinds of things IN THE FRICKIN' LEFT.
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Posted by: dissidentpoet on Oct 15, 2006 6:21 PM
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and not all of us here are liberals.
some of us would call ourselves revolutionaries.
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Posted by: ShoShenQ on Oct 15, 2006 6:28 PM
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We value free speech just as much as our southern neighbors, but careers have been broken for much less in here. In fact, if you say it, you gotta prove it, and if you don't, you gotta pay for it.
Dearly.
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The Africans who were valued as slaves were gentle farmers and artisans, mostly from West Africa. The more fierce tribes of the Savannah were avoided.
"Savages" make very bad slaves! It was the ferocity of the North American Indian tribes that kept them from suffering the fate of their South American cousins, who were enslaved by the Spaniards. Nobody sane would try to put a captured Comanche in charge of their nursery, not if they liked their kids!
(The above comment is NOT an insult to the Comanches; it is a compliment. They worked hard to be the most feared tribe on the plains, and they took pride in it. My distant relatives among the Comanche confirm this.)
Getting back to Africa, note tht the f**king slavers never came to the lands of the Zulu or the Masai --- at least, they never came twice!
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We're ALL slaves (to something or someone) in different forms.
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This guy is almost funny, except he evidently believes this shit, which just makes him sick, sad and not worthy of a minute of my time.
I prefer to live happily oblivious, not knowing there are people like that out there.
Sadly, with the internet I now know way more than I want to know.
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