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Five Scandals that Could Put Republicans in Jail

By James Ridgeway, Mother Jones. Posted October 12, 2006.


The Foley cover-up is just the tip of the iceberg. If the Democrats succeed in retaking Congress this fall, here are five investigations they should get started on right away.
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The stately Russell Senate Office Building stands at one corner of a domestic Green Zone, just northeast of the Capitol building at the intersection of Delaware and Constitution avenues. In the past few years a maze of blockades has sprouted along the shaded avenues and curving drives of the Capitol complex. Checkpoints are patrolled by heavily armed police; guards watch for suspicious characters and prohibited items (which now include food and beverages; cans, bottles, and sprays; and bags larger than 13 by 14 inches). At the Russell Building, visitors encounter another set of barriers and metal detectors before being granted admittance to the elegant structure. Then, at the top of a sweeping staircase, they'll find a room walled in white marble, draped in deep red, overhung by a gilded ceiling, and fronted, altarlike, with a raised dais.

Here in the humbly named Caucus Room, the U.S. Congress has held some of its most famous public hearings, beginning with a 1912 investigation into the fate of the Titanic. The Watergate hearings unfolded here in the early '70s, beneath the ever-watchful gaze of Senator Sam Ervin (D-N.C.). It was here that Rep. Barbara Jordan (D-Texas), the first Southern black woman elected to Congress, declared: "My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution."

But in the past six years, congressional investigations of such bold, searching nature have disappeared. In a post-9/11 environment of silence and fear, the mood inside Congress has mirrored the bunkers and barriers outside: No one dares question the military or the intelligence services too closely, or to push the president too far. The Caucus Room continues to be used for party meetings and social events, and every so often there is a potted inquiry, as in the case of the 2003 hearings on the space shuttle. But on issues of war and peace, of corruption and graft, of civil rights, civil liberties, and constitutional breaches, meek questions are the rule, answered by dull assurances from the White House.

If the Democrats win back control of Congress (or even one of its chambers), if they can come up with the requisite moxie, and if they can muster the political will to reach out to their own base as well as to disaffected Republicans, they will have an opportunity to begin to change all that. They will need to overcome the myriad obstacles the Bush administration has created to keep lawmakers from obtaining and releasing critical information, such as its resistance to briefing congressional committees on intelligence issues, or its heavy hand in redacting congressional reports. When explosive information has leaked out -- the fact that documents offering "proof" of Saddam Hussein's intent to buy uranium from Niger had been forged, or that the United States is operating a network of secret prisons in other countries -- the administration's response has focused on condemning critics for politicizing national security -- a charge before which the Democrats usually crumble.

Still, there is a chance that some of the gutsier Dems, with the support of an increasingly fed-up public, could make progress toward exposing the truth.

But if lawmakers of either party do not begin to reclaim their constitutional powers -- by asking questions such as those listed below -- it's not hard to envision a time when visitors may come to the venerable Caucus Room as if to a museum, to learn about a bygone era when congressional investigations still served as a check on the imperial presidency.


1. Who lost Iraq?

It goes without saying that a congressional investigation -- a joint inquiry by both houses, given the gravity of the matter -- should address the causes, conduct, and effects of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, going back to the days immediately after Bush's election when the plans for invading Iraq were laid (see "A War Foretold," Page 61). But beyond that, the conduct of the war on terror has raised myriad vital questions that, at another time, would have been subjects of full-fledged inquiries on their own: the Pentagon's failure to adequately equip troops with armor, ammunition, radios, and the like; the use of mercenary forces; the contracting process; and the government's efforts to manipulate the press through outside PR agencies. Also worthy of scrutiny is the role of oil and gas, including the work of the secret Cheney energy task force, which points to prewar discussions with the ceos of major companies about Iraqi oil.

A congressional investigation into the Iraq war must make full use of subpoena power and must be prepared to forward findings of illegal acts to the Justice Department for possible criminal prosecution. Just as important, public hearings could provide an opportunity -- and protection -- for would-be whistleblowers: Recall that Daniel Ellsberg didn't take his trove of documents, showing the Defense Department's true assessment of the war in Vietnam, to the New York Times until after he had been rebuffed by congressional Democrats. Somewhere inside the Defense Department and the intelligence agencies today's Pentagon Papers are waiting.

2. Who blew 9/11?

It's high time to follow up on the startling discoveries of the Senate and House's joint inquiry, back in December 2002, on pre-9/11 intelligence. In reconstructing the hijackers' trail, the inquiry's staff discovered that the FBI had failed to report, and had later balked at making public, information showing that it knew that a bureau informant in the San Diego Muslim community had socialized with two of the hijackers, and that another man who had been investigated by the FBI had rented an apartment to one of them. Both of the future hijackers had been closely followed by the CIA as they made their way from the Middle East to Malaysia; the agents lost track of the men before they boarded a plane to California, where they then lived openly, with driver's licenses and a phone book listing in their own names. So far, no one has been able to discover how they escaped detection by the FBI -- and why the bureau refused to let Congress find out what happened.

The joint inquiry also discovered a Saudi spy operating in California -- the same man who had rented an apartment to one of the hijackers -- along with suggestions of a larger network, according to former Senator Bob Graham (D-Fla.). The spy nominally worked for a Saudi government contractor, and the committee followed a money trail going back to the royal family and the Saudi government, according to Graham. This was a tantalizing find. Congressional sources have suggested that Saudi spooks may have been sent to California to keep tabs on Saudi students who might be tempted by democratic ideas; it has also been speculated that some of these undercover agents could have become enmeshed with Al Qaeda. In any event, the White House has adamantly refused to declassify 28 pages of the final committee report that dealt with Saudi Arabia. When Congress later set up an independent commission to look into 9/11, it pointedly ordered the panel to "build upon the investigations of other entities" such as the joint inquiry. Yet the commission's report glossed over many questions involving Saudi Arabia. A new select committee could pick up where other probes left off.

3. How wide is the domestic surveillance net?

In the mid-1970s, the Church Committee, named after Idaho Democratic senator Frank Church, put out 14 separate reports that exposed the intelligence agencies' abuses of law. The Pike Committee, named after Rep. Otis Pike (D-N.Y.), conducted a parallel inquiry in the House, focusing mostly on the CIA. Among other things, the investigations discovered the notorious COINTELPRO operation to spy on and disrupt left-wing groups. Thirty years later urgent questions are once again piling up: Just what is the extent of the agencies' spying inside the United States? What are the true motivations and outcomes of this surveillance? How much money is going into spying programs? There is much evidence that domestic intelligence gathering is not limited to the infamous NSA surveillance project. The ACLU, for one, has obtained numerous files describing FBI cooperation with local police in joint terrorism task forces that have targeted groups such as Greenpeace, United for Peace and Justice, Code Pink, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, and the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

4. Is Big Oil pulling an Enron?

The last serious investigation of the oil industry concluded in 1952 with the Federal Trade Commission's staff report on the International Petroleum Cartel, published by the monopoly subcommittee of the Senate. That study laid out a now-familiar pattern: A major concern of the oil industry has always been the threat of surpluses driving down prices. To prevent surpluses, oil and gas companies have employed means such as instituting quota systems, closing off reserves from market, and setting up cartels, or agreements among producers.

Today, while many experts believe oil will soon run out, there is no actual shortage that could be blamed for driving up gas prices. The hurricanes of 2005 did not put the supply in any serious jeopardy, nor was lack of refinery capacity a real factor. (According to the U.S. Department of Energy, refineries along the Gulf Coast and elsewhere frequently run below capacity, meaning that there was some slack in the system.)

There is, however, evidence to suggest practices reminiscent of Enron's market rigging: Last year, the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, a California-based consumer group, released a series of internal memos from Chevron, Texaco, and Mobil that laid out the industry's thinking. A Texaco memo, for example, warned that "supply significantly exceeds demand year-round. This results in very poor refinery margins and very poor refinery financial results. Significant events need to occur to assist in reducing supplies and/or increasing the demand for gasoline." An investigation would subpoena internal company documents and take testimony from oil executives under oath -- not just in an "unsworn" chitchat like the sideshow put on by the Senate commerce and energy committees last year -- to discover whether the companies conspired to rig prices or manipulate supply.

5. Who's making money off your retirement?

It's been predicted that at least 1 in 10 retirees in 2020 will teeter on the edge of financial collapse or plunge into outright poverty. Social Security is just a small bit of the problem. The potentially much bigger challenge is the disappearance of pensions, most of which have been replaced with 401(k)-type accounts dependent wholly on the securities market. This is an enormous shift: Corporations have succeeded, with amazingly little protest from labor, in transferring the cost -- and the risk -- of retirement from employer to employee. The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. provides some backup when a company with a standard pension plan goes under (think United Airlines). With 401(k)s, there is no insurance. The Securities and Exchange Commission is supposed to regulate mutual funds, which handle most 401(k) money; the sec has nowhere near the resources to keep tabs on the $9 trillion business, so policing is largely left up to the funds themselves.

Before this crisis grows greater, Congress ought to launch a serious investigation into the retirement system. We've got to know all the ways companies are bailing on their pension plans -- by converting them into 401(k)s, by filing for bankruptcy, or simply by quietly not paying into (or "underfunding") them for years at a time. We need to understand who controls the money in 401(k)s, what the hidden costs are, and to what extent these accounts are threatened by Wall Street conflicts of interest. For example, thanks to deregulation laws passed during the Clinton administration, commercial banks can now sell the mutual funds that their investment-banking arms manage, but investors have no recourse if their 401(k)s lose value because of bad management. With Social Security privatization refusing to die, and Wall Street eager to get its hands on that money, Congress should do some due diligence.

BONUS: Grounds for impeachment?

Congressional investigators digging into the aforementioned questions cannot ignore the possibility of impeachment proceedings against Vice President Cheney, who figures prominently in almost every one of the scandals engulfing the administration. It was Cheney who ran the government's response to the 9/11 attacks without constitutional authority, at one point ordering shoot-downs of commercial planes and what would turn out to be a medevac helicopter; who led the secret meetings of administration officials and oilmen to set energy policy; who allowed Ahmed Chalabi to play the U.S. government like a violin; who very well may be the origin of the whisper campaign that culminated in the Plame leak; and, of course, it was Cheney's former employer (and source of continuing deferred compensation paychecks) that benefited enormously from no-bid contracts in Iraq. Judicial Watch, the conservative legal outfit in Washington, has unearthed an email dated March 5, 2003, sent by an Army Corps of Engineers official whose name had been blacked out, that said of a pending deal under which Halliburton would rebuild the Iraqi oil industry, "We anticipate no issue since the action has been coordinated w VP's office." There's plenty more where that came from; whether any of Cheney's actions constitute "high crimes and misdemeanors" is for Congress, and the nation, to debate.

Read about additional questions the Democrats should be asking at MotherJones.com.

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Let the cleansing begin...
Posted by: Thundergod on Oct 12, 2006 12:28 AM   
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Time to find out who did what and when!

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truth
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 12, 2006 12:42 AM   
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If we ever get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth then Cheney/Bush, numerous other administration officials, numerous US Senators and numerous Congresspeople will all be sitting in jail, a location they so richly deserve. Then it might be possible to have a decent government in the USA for all the people instead of just for the richest bribers.

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» RE: truth Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: truth Posted by: rsaxto
Begin with a truly independent investigation of 9/11
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 12, 2006 12:58 AM   
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This is the core issue of where America and the world finds itself today.

There are literally thousands of facts that contradict the official government "conspiracy theory" regarding 9/11.

Just a few highlights to get the investigations started:

1) VP Cheney put in charge of NORAD just before 9/11.

2) The six wargames that were going on the day of the 9/11 attacks. Some of these were live-fly exercises that involved mock hijackings and false radar injects in the northeast air corridor. The total non-response of the Air Force for nearly two hours.

3) President Bush's behavior and statements on the morning of 9/11 and his recollection of that morning.

4) The clear evidence of insider foreknowledge demonstrated by the highly unusual stock trades in the period just before 9/11.

5) The collapse, still unexplained, of WTC 7.

6) The total destruction of the Twin Towers, which even the NIST report does not adequately or scientifically explain. (Where did all the molten steel come from?)

7) No evidence that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon.

8) Flight 93 debris spread over eight square miles, no plane or bodies at "crash" site.

9) Pakistan's ISI chief, Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed, ordering Saeed Sheikh to send $100,000 to Mohamed Atta just before 9/11. That same ISI chief meeting with U.S. government officials during the week of 9/11.

I few resources to get them started:

The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin

The Terror Timeline by Paul Thompson

Towers of Deception by Barrie Zwicker

The War On Truth by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed

The Politics of Heroin by Alfred W. McCoy

Crossing the Rubicon by Michael C. Ruppert

From The Wilderness

Scholars For 9/11 Truth

911Truth.org


Yes, let the cleansing begin and we can usher in an era of true peace as we face the urgent need to address global climate change.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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Continue with an investigation into electoral fraud
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 12, 2006 1:08 AM   
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and organized efforts to suppress voting.

This should focus on the 2004 election, specifically. Begin with a close analysis of the results in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico and Ohio.

This must include a complete investigation/review of all voting technologies currently being used, especially paperless electronic touch screen systems.

Our future depends on free, open and fair elections.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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End with an investigation into Congressional corruption
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 12, 2006 1:30 AM   
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by both parties run by a national citizens grand jury.

End the influence of money in politics, return the government to the people, for the people and by the people.

Only then can we restore our place as a true world leader worthy of respect and admiration.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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Against Ethical Relativism
Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on Oct 12, 2006 1:35 AM   
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Surely if the concept of crime/justice has any meaning our leaders ought to be held before an international war crimes tribunal. According to the Lancet the civilian death toll in Iraq to date is approximately 650,000. If ethical truisms were regarded then mass murder (such as this) would surely trivialize the crimes alleged in this article.
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George Orwell once remarked that political thought, especially on the left, is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of fact hardly matters. That’s true, unfortunately, and it’s part of the reason our society lacks a genuine, responsible, serious left-wing movement.

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Is Big Oil pulling an Enron?
Posted by: Fred on Oct 12, 2006 3:35 AM   
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Why on earth have oil process peaked and then plummeted this year – for no apparent visible cause?

Who is jerking around our economy and other strategic decisions as if we were puppets on a string.

What is the mechanism for crude oil price fixing? We were told shortages were due to hurricanes, BP Alaska oil problems and many other excuses – but it seems now the changes in prices are only talked of as a reflection of the drop in the barrel price of crude - which has nothing to do with any of the above.

Can’t anyone dig out the real facts here? Or are they known and suppressed?

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» RE: Is Big Oil pulling an Enron? Posted by: sapatatanka
Franklin L. Johnson, Director of The Sight Society
Posted by: starhelix on Oct 12, 2006 5:09 AM   
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While the list of political grievences is excellent, there's really only one issue before the American people: If it was wrong to go into Iraq (and even Afghanistan), then it's wrong to stay there. Mr. Ridgeway makes the point too delicately. The Iraq war wasn't a mistake. It was, and is, an ongoing crime against humanity. Everyone who perpetrated this crime should be tried, convicted and jailed. The constitutional question before us is: Can the president unilaterally start hostilities and war without the authorization of the American people? The answer is obviously no. But, the Bush mob went to war without the explicit authorization of the American people and the global community, the false overtures to this effect notwithstanding. The war in Iraq is simply unjust. Our nation and humanity will never enjoy peace on this planet until these unjust wars are ended forever. The greatest threat to peace isn't terrorism. It's the out of control "defense" budget.

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Investigate Very Very Carefully
Posted by: ekinney on Oct 12, 2006 5:15 AM   
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Democrats must be very, very careful about investigating the Republicans and wasting political capital. Governing honestly and correctly should be their goal, not settling old scores. Matters that warrant dispassionate and thorough investigation are: (1) integrity of the election system, (2) Internal survailance, and (3) contract fraud in Iraq.

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» News Flash: The Coup was in 2000 Posted by: LeftWright
» The power of love Posted by: LeftWright
Public-private partnerships in Iraq and the US (and other coverups)
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 12, 2006 5:38 AM   
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The author makes good points, but the list is incomplete:

Bush's 'public-private partnerships' are a huge ripoff of the American people, both at home and abroad. Take, for example, the once-great "avian bird flu scare" which has vanished from the media. It was going to be the 1918 Spanish influenza epidemic all over again, wasn't it - and now dead silence.

This is because the billions went to Tamiflu anit-viral drugs, whose patent is owned by Gilead Life Sciences - and you can bet it's no coincidence that Donald Rumsfled was the CEO and George Schultz is on the Board of that company.

This is closely related to 'Project Bioshield' - take for example the story of the 'anthrax vaccine' - Rumsfeld negotiated for a billion-dollar bailout of Bioport, the Lansing Michigan firm that makes the vaccine - which has caused health problems in US soldiers. Bioport is controlled by Faud el-Hibri and retired Admiral Crowe, and has ties to the Carlyle Group.

The other maker of a new anthrax vaccine is Vaxgen, who sub-contracts all their work to Battelle, the Columbus Ohio biowarfare contract laboratory. This is a very spooky outfit with many secretive divisions - something right out of the Manchurian Candidate (the Denzyl Washington - Meryl Streep version).

Battelle is worth looking closely at because they played a large role in the initial steps of the anthrax investigation; the whole story is well-told in Richard Preston's chilling book, "The Demon in the Freezer" which has the best description I've seen anywhere of the anthrax attacks of 9/18 and 10/9 - dates that should be just as familiar to you as 9/11 is.

Moving abroad, we have the endless ripoff contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan, handed out to the primary contracts like Bechtel, Halliburton, the Louis Berger Group, etc. There are also a who host of smaller/associated sattelite firms like CH2M and Camp Dresser Mckee which subcontract for the majors - everyone gets a piece of the pie except for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Getting back to anthrax, it is quite interesting that 9/11 was an 'act of war', while 9/18 and 10/9 were 'criminal acts'.

Scientists at the USAMRIID determined that the anthrax was a highly sophisticated bioweapon consisting of pure spores treated with additives that caused it to break apart; this was on Oct 16, 2001. Battelle was immediately hired to take a second look; they autoclaved their samples and then claimed that their results (not weaponized) were the accurate ones; Fort Detrick disputed this and was proved right.

Now the FBI has been claiming that the anthrax wasn't a sophisticated bioweapon. Congressman Holt, of the House Intelligence Committee, has request a breifing by the FBI on the case, but has been refused! The bureau also rejected a request for a classified briefing on the case from Rep. Rush Holt, D-NJ. Since New Jersey is where the anthrax was mailed from, Holt has a right to know the details.

You want a good conspiracy theory? Forget 9/11; that was an Al Queda attack that the Bushies blew it on,possibly deliberately.

9/18 and 10/9 are what you want to look at. There are perhaps two real suspects for this sophisticated bioterror attack on the American people: Bioport of Lansing MI and Battelle of Columbus OH are at the top of the list. These secretive biowarfare contrators had the materials and the know-how to produce and use such a weapon. The FBI had nothing to do with the initial analysis of the anthrax weapon; they're just trying desperately to cover up the fact that it was a domestic assault with political overtones.

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» Look at the forest, not the trees Posted by: LeftWright
The Contracting Process
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 12, 2006 5:44 AM   
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This article only briefly mentions the contracting process used in Iraq, but this seems like a scandal that is anxiously waiting to happen. The American public can become as aroused by finding that they have been robbed as they can about a sex scandal.

The non-competitive contract process that has handed billions of dollars to corporations for services not rendered or rendered poorly needs to be brought into public view. A public that has long been irate about $100 hammers should not be so complacent about millions of dollars being paid for delivery of sewer water to our troops to use for drinking and bathing. This same public should be curious about why corporations being paid $1000 per day for laborers who are paid $100 per day or less.

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» RE: The Contracting Process Posted by: JSquercia
Socialism or bust.
Posted by: shangrilalad on Oct 12, 2006 6:10 AM   
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Not one of our federal security agencies works for the benefit of the people. Not the FBI, not the CI A, not the NSA, none of the dozens of security agencies work for us. They work for the plutocrats who own the Military Industrial Complex and the government.

Every security agencies was formed and specifically designed to protect the ruling elite from the unruly masses. We are merely livestock to be managed, controlled and repressed to preserve the privilege, wealth and power of the ruling elite. The United States is not a democracy and never has been.

The Plutocrats control everything: the president, the politicians, the courts, the media, the military, and the police. Our freedoms are an illusion fostered by incessant propaganda devised to divide and control us. Our lives are sacrificed in wars to preserve and increase their wealth and power over the entire world.

Now, for the first time they have stepped from behind the curtain of secrecy to reveal themselves. Don’t delude yourself into thinking there will be any serious investigations or meaningful reforms to change anything. That’s not how capitalism was designed to work. Capitalism was designed to serve those who have the capital. The system is rigged to protect and preserve the system.

Socialism is the only way to defeat capitalism, and they will wipeout half the population to prevent that happening.

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gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on Oct 12, 2006 6:27 AM   
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THEY SHOULD BUT THEY WON'T.

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Wishful thinking.
Posted by: arclight on Oct 12, 2006 6:36 AM   
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This is all wishful thinking. While the number of actual voters voting for Democrats will almost certainly be greater than the number of Republicans, the "results" will show that the Republicans will retain one, if not both, houses. (Who knows, they may give up one just to throw us off from realizing the whole thing is rigged.)

I sound like a broken record, but seriously, without free, fair and transparent elections, all of this is totally 100% moot.

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Context of Jordan quote
Posted by: wobblies on Oct 12, 2006 6:38 AM   
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Hi~
The author should put Barbara Jordan's quote in context.

God Speed,
David

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But first, above all....
Posted by: outlander55 on Oct 12, 2006 6:50 AM   
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The Democrats have to win the majority.

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» RE: But first, above all.... Posted by: Knowmad
The Biggest Criminal Cabul in U.S. History.
Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 12, 2006 7:15 AM   
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It never ceases to amaze me just how corrupt this admininstration is. Almost every week, there is some new revelation about another corporate handout, illegal law passed, new law ignored, or new lie expressed. This regime needs to experience the three I's...Investigate, Impeach, and Imprison.

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We have real poblems to fix
Posted by: mdwoade on Oct 12, 2006 7:42 AM   
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I am angry as the next person about the last six years of bad government, but if, God willing, the Democrats win the House and/or the Senate, I think the last thing they should do is spend millions of dollars and thousands of hours on a useless and vindictive policy of partisan witchhunts. Of course, THEY are greedy, underhanded, mean, power-hungry hypocrites. But, ask yourself if it is really worth all the time, money, and bad feeling on both sides to pursue these low lifes. Don't we have real problems like war, racism, and poverty left to fix? We need to win in 2006 and we need to win in 2008, and we need a country left to win in 2008. If we spend our energy harrassing Bush-Cheney-Big Oil-Rove and so on, will we get anywhere and will we anger the general population so we lose in 2008? People stuck with Clinton through his deceptions. People dislike Bush's policies, but they like Bush (I don't, but apparently a lot of people do). The last thing we need is to make that guy into a martyr. Or we could spend the next two years in a Whitewater/Monica gridlock while our soldiers die in Iaq and we feel righteous and vindicated.

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» RE: We have real poblems to fix Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: We have real poblems to fix Posted by: grammasanity
Don't Hold Your Breath
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 12, 2006 7:52 AM   
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About 1/3rd of the Democrats currently serving up on the Hill are DINOs= DEMOCRATS IN NAME ONLY. With a few exceptions they will vote just like most any Republican. #1 in that group will be Harold Ford, Jr, who despite being a Democrat from a district full of poor people, voted for the Bankruptcy Bill pushed through by the Repugnicans.

I blame the Democrats almost as much as the G.O.P. for the current mess our country is in. With few exceptions Democrats bent over and grabbed their ankles for BushCo, DeLay & Frist. The fact that Holy Joe could even be close this late shows the farce of the Red/Blue state theory.

Yes, the NeoCons have been a bunch of strong arm bullies but an awful lot of Democrats voted with them when they didn't have to for cover, but did anyhow. I live in a state with 2 DINO Senators- Blanche Lambert-Lincoln and Mark Pryor.

Progressives have to give voters a real choice in the primaries to avoid having to choose between two flavors of Republican on Election Day. No DINO should ever run again without opposition in the primaries.

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» Caucuses and Primaries Posted by: grammasanity
Underfunded pensions
Posted by: chaoslegs on Oct 12, 2006 7:53 AM   
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Not sure on this one, but the underfunding could be partially caused by a downturn in the stock market.

For example if a pension fund was fully funded in July 2000 to meet it liabilities at $600,000,000 but half of that was in the stock market. Of that $300,000,000 in the stock market, there is a loss of 50% in value in 2001. That is a 25% loss overall of its full funding to meet its liabilites and we would be correct to label it as underfunded.

I have no idea of this happened, but it definitely could be part of the problem in underfunding pensions.

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foreknowledge of 9/11 attacks
Posted by: kellysgarden on Oct 12, 2006 8:01 AM   
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this is the big one. They for sure knew of the attacks BEFORE they happened, and are right now in the process of covering up for that. This alone demands impeachment. The cover-up is the tip of the iceberg.

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Deja vu all over again!
Posted by: project69 on Oct 12, 2006 8:12 AM   
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Doesn't this sound familiar? Isn't this the same bunk they
said about Iraq? People, wake up and don't let this happen
again! Why do you think they want to attack Iran? Because
they have nuclear weapons, they DON'T! Because they have
threatened us, they HAVEN'T! Then why I ask you?

I'll tell you why. Because they have had "this" planned for a
long time. The "this" is another unprovoked attack/occupa-
tion of an oil-rich country that they need to further their cri-
minal agenda, world domination. They already have Iraq,
Afghanistan (no oil, but opium and the gas/oil pipeline worth
roughly $11-12 trillion dollars!), Lebanon getting pummeled
time and time again by the other partner in crime, Israel, and
now it's on to Iran.

This has to stop before it's another chip in the bucket for the
monsters who are the "real government". Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc. are just the puppets and frontmen and
women for the secret, hidden government of criminals and
sociopaths who really are running the world.

So here's a country, North Korea, with nuclear weapons,
threatening war with any nation that imposes sanctions, and
what does the puppet (Bush) say, " we have no intention of
attacking them", WHAT?? Does this make sense to you? This
proves that they care not about WMD's, but pre-planned
political agendas, period!

These criminals will stop at nothing to further their agenda
of a controlled, one world government, secretly run and lead
by them. We need to stop this now before it's too late for
all of us. We are to blame as well if we just sit and take it,
like we've done for far too long. Stop and think for a mi-
nute. Ever since 9/11, hasn't governments power increased,
while ours has diminished?

People, wake up and realize what's going on. Don't trust the
government. They only care about those closest to them.
They will stop at nothing to complete their agenda of world
tyranny, no matter how many lives are lost. The world we
know will cease to exist anymore if we the people don't stop
these madmen/women NOW!

They want to control us, not have a democracy for the people, by the people. They crave power and control over
anything and anyone, period. I know this may sound crazy,
but I too was skeptical until I searched the truth, and found
the answers to my many questions. I am horrified and scared that unless we do something now, we will all be con-
trolled, not by ourselves, but by a dictatorial regime of crimi-
nals who care nothing for anyone but those closest to them.

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» RE: Deja vu all over again! Posted by: fan43fever
» RE: Deja vu all over again! Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Deja vu all over again! Posted by: grammasanity
Too much mud
Posted by: edith on Oct 12, 2006 8:15 AM   
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The dirt will fly in all directions particularly on the national security and war questions. The military and CIA were not as dormant under Clinton as Clinton haters in the GOP would have you believe.

9/11 especially will not be re-heard. The potential for upheaval that would sweep away the current constitutional form of govt is too great.

A coherent third party that opposes Big Government whether in the military or in education is needed. Privacy and individual rights are threatened by both corporate parties.

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Like you think
Posted by: saretto on Oct 12, 2006 8:23 AM   
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All this about people going to jail is a wonderful joke. Did anyone notice that 4 out of 5 Enron execs convictions have been overturned.

You will not get satisfaction nor conviction of anyone. You, as a people, are powerless.

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"Chomsky is a Left Gatekeeper" - nice talking point!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 12, 2006 9:04 AM   
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Except that when you repeatedly use the exact same phrase all over the Internet, you make it rather obvious that the 9/11 Truth Movement, Inc. is distributing sets of talking points - a classic public relations operation approach.

It is also very obvious that you don't want to discuss the argument, so you attack the source of the argument and attempt to discredit them by any means available.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time .

Now can we get back to impeaching Bush for high crimes against the people of the United States and Iraq?

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» Fools fool only themselves Posted by: LeftWright
» Fooling the people Posted by: indy675
THE GOP's OWNERSHIP SOCIETY SEEKS TO TRANSFER ALL MARKET RISK TO THE POOR
Posted by: fiskhus on Oct 12, 2006 10:16 AM   
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See Yale and Social Science Research Council studies on the detrimental effects to US society when the GOP implements plans to transfer all market risk to the poor (and thereby insulate the leisure class from market risk - a great perversion of the principles of capitalism) at: privatizationofrisk.ssrc.org

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Future is Progressive
Posted by: Ray S on Oct 12, 2006 10:27 AM   
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The relationship between the electronic voting machine manufacturers and the current Republican cabal is a necessary investigation. That investigation may yield more links that need further investigation.

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AlterNet as Left Gatekeeper
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 12, 2006 11:31 AM   
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Just so no one can miss it and I apologize for the repitition.

In the past several weeks we have seen AlterNet raise issues in name only,without following the logic of their own statements or delving deeply into the facts to see where they lead and thus exposing the underlying forces behind these facts.

This is like a doctor who treats symptoms but never looks for the underlying cause Thus, there is no cure, only endless "treatments."

This is the role of the left gatekeeper is to give voice to dissent but never any substance to feed it. This allows the MSM to provide the illusion of a free and objective press while simultaneously limiting the level and direction of "credible" inquiry. All part of a very subtle and effective propaganda machine.

The truth of 9/11 and its threatened exposure, pushes the left gatekeepers (esp. the icon of the left: Noam Chomsky) to the limits of their rhetorical contrivances. When faced with the overwhelming and irrefutable evidence of Cheney/Bush complicity in 9/11 Noam Chomsky refuses to turn his greatly regarded intellect and analytic ability on the subject and resorts to attacking the credibility of the "conspiracy theorists" instead. This is precisely the tactic he has ridiculed for the last 40 years. His hipocrisy would be hilarious if it were not so tragic.

In the case of 9/11, as in any other investigation, the more facts you have the more those facts point to the truth. The facts in no way support the official "conspiracy" theory that 19 Arab al Qaeda "hijackers" committed the crimes known as 9/11.

These publicy available and verifiable facts are readily available to anyone.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» Typical conspiracy-mongering Posted by: brunowe
» Another failure of logic Posted by: LeftWright
» The failure is yours-- Posted by: brunowe
» A friendly suggestion Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: A friendly suggestion Posted by: brunowe
» AlterNet, in their own words Posted by: LeftWright
For the record...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 12, 2006 12:31 PM   
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Let me explain my thought processes on why I think much of the 9/11 conspiracy theory is actually a public relations operation.

First of all, after 9/11 I was, like most Americans, dumbfounded. The fact that Bush wanted no investigation into 9/11 was immediately suspicious. The anthrax attacks seemed very suspicious in their timing - no anthrax attacks, no Patriot Act, was my conclusion.

Knowing that the US corporate world spends at least 2 billion (and probably more like 6 billion) a year on public relations, i started wondering what kind of PR effort would be mounted by the government.

This area of public relations work is called 'crisis management'. Poke around on any public relations firm website and you'll find a link to their 'crisis management team' - if Exxon runs a tanker aground, the first thing they do is call these people; if a Dow chemical factory explodes, the story is the same.

I also know that right after 9/11 the Saudi Prince Bandar contracted with Burson-Marstellar to clean up the Saudi image, and that Donald Rumsfeld and his team were running covert public relations operations through the Pentagon (contracted through The Rendon Group).

So I asked myself, what kind of crisis management team was put together to deal with the aftermath of 9/11, 9/18 and 10/9? What kind of strategies would they use to discredit investigations into 9/11, 9/18 and 10/9? I also noticed that Bush constantly talked about how he wasn't going to address any 'outrageous conspiracy theories'.

Spend enough time looking at public relations strategies and you get a feel for how they are run - there are experts, there are spokesmen, there are 'astroturf' grassroots movements, there is mainstream media coverage - and the 9/11 Truth Movement fits into those categories like a glove.

Anyhow, that's my opinion. Quite frankly, I think there are far more important issues to deal with, like getting the US off of foreign oil and getting the US troops out of Iraq. So there you are - curse all you want, but that's my viewpoint.

Cheers!

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» Humans are irrational..... Posted by: LeftWright
Cheney is the stinking black hole around which the Bush/neocons swirl.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Oct 12, 2006 1:03 PM   
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From the article:
"...whether any of Cheney's actions constitute "high crimes and misdemeanors" is for Congress, and the nation, to debate."

ANY?! By my estimation, ALL of Cheney's actions in his capacity as Vice (...VICE) President are grounds for impeachment – and some of them are grounds for indictment as crimes against humanity as well.

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What's this about 9/11 conspiracy buffs=gov't trolls?
Posted by: cold2touch on Oct 12, 2006 2:18 PM   
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It is becoming popular to denounce them. I believe for a # of reasons that the government was complicit in 9/11 tragedy.
Does it qualify me for Armstrong Williams type payment?
I mean, here I am, bravely promoting 911 theories while ready to provide wire transfer information to my offshore account. If you don't hear from me again, it is because I retired from my government job as a fake leftie.

But chew on this please:
1) conspiracy trolls are actually Karl Rove's enablers, ok?
2) Popular Mechanics brilliantly exposed the bullshit behind 911 theories,
3) It was written by PM senior researcher, 25-yr old Benjamin Chertoff, a nephew of Mike Chertoff, the Homeland Security tzar. The link was originally denied (another "fake" conspiracy theory) but subsequently proven beyond doubt.
4) As for Mike Chertoff's ethical credentials, read about his sweetheart deal with an old buddy that netted them hundreds of millions of taxpayers' funds ripped off from Katrina victims.

So, to summarize:
The conspiracy theorists are government paid trolls who are fearlessly battled by Chertoffs, those progressive champions of the Left.
Folks, we got you cornered: either you are with us or with Chertoffs.

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» Well said, cold2touch! Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Not so loud, LeftWright! Posted by: cold2touch
mdruss42
Posted by: mdruss42 on Oct 12, 2006 7:24 PM   
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We are addicted to WHO SHOT JOHN...it is even better when it is a real crime and a horrid one with a huge amount of mystery involved. FOR GOODNESS SAKE, PEOPLE, GET A GRIP. WE HAVE ALL WE CAN POSSIBLY DO TO TAKE THE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES BACK FROM SOME SERIOUSLY SCARY PEOPLE. We have little chance of any gains if we are not as focused as they are. The reps have a base of seriously scary people who are lead by folks who wish to dismantle government by the people and replace it with ....GOD´S LAW, THE FIRST 5 BOOKS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT...STONING AND ALL. It would be good if we knew if the tail is wagging the dog because if you think 9/11 was awful, wait till your children start being thrown from airplanes after having been in the local torturehouse for a few weeks.....or how about a local stoning, with compulsory attendance and complicity...........FARFETCHED........How much of the regulatory function of our government has already been dismantled.......What the hell is Faith Based Social Services but just another collector of taxes not called taxes but tithes.......Read what Gary North and his ilk have to say then tell me we need to be spending our time chasing phantoms.............AND I HAVE NOT EVEN SAID A WORD ABOUT THE TOXIC EFFECT OF THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR FANTASIES OF WORLD DOMINATION.....TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF DOMINIONISTS JOINED IN AN UNHOLY ALLIANCE..... HAVE ON THE OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD WHO WE WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH LONG AFTER THESE JOKERS ARE WORM FOOD. These are not nice pictures and the fallout is going to last a long time so we need to get busy trying to get rid of the seriously crazy and reversing the worst damage and see if we can fix it so our grandchildren have a world fit to live on.........TOO LATE FOR US.......WE HAVE S--- IN OUR OWN NESTS.

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IMPEACH THEM ALL
Posted by: penguins8me on Oct 12, 2006 9:11 PM   
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I miss Bill.

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» I don't Posted by: LeftWright
Mark Perry exposes crimes against humanity
Posted by: rwa on Oct 12, 2006 9:40 PM   
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The most responsible nation-states that use cluster bombs "double fuse" their munitions to cut down on the failure rate of the "bomblets" after they have been deployed. During the administration of US president Bill Clinton, defense secretary William Cohen agreed to the double-fusing of US cluster munitions and a phase-out of the "high dud rate" munitions in the US stockpile, which was intended to cut the failure rate of these munitions from 14% (some estimates are higher) to less than 3% (though some estimates are lower).

While investigations into Israel's use of these munitions is not yet complete, it now appears that the IDF deployed single-fused munitions. Recent reports in the Israeli press indicate that artillery officers carpeted dozens of Lebanese villages with the bomblets - as close to the definition of the "indiscriminate" use of firepower as one can get.

The Israeli munitions may well have been purchased from aging US stockpiles that were not double-fused, making the United States complicit in this indiscriminate targeting. Such a conclusion seems to fit with the time-line of the resupply of munitions to Israel on July 22. The IDF may well have been able to offload these munitions and deploy them quickly enough to have created the cluster-munitions crisis in Lebanon that plagues that nation still - and that started on July 24.
atimes.com

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» 100,000 cluster bomblets Posted by: LeftWright
Who blew 9/11? Who blew the 17 year old page and got reelected five more times?
Posted by: Gun Bunny on Oct 12, 2006 10:05 PM   
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A Democrat from Massachusetts, that's who. He also became chairman of a full standing House committee (Marine and Fisheries) after he admitted to the indiscretion.

Gun Bunny

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Jail all the Democrats while you are at it!
Posted by: hot_rad_man on Oct 13, 2006 3:12 AM   
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I am in favor of jailing all the jerks in Washington! They all supported the war in Iraq that wasted our money and performed genocide on an innocent nation! No more blaming just the Republicans, both parties are corrupted to the core and voting is a useless act that does no good whatsoever. Just replaces one asshole for another! DON'T VOTE!!!!!

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The correct title
Posted by: farahart on Oct 13, 2006 6:54 AM   
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The correct title of the article should be: Five scandals that SHOULD put republicans UNDER the jail. They deserve nothing less.

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Thanks, LeftWright, for posting this. No, we're not preaching to the converted ...
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Oct 13, 2006 7:37 AM   
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... for people just don't want to go there, the simple physics and chemistry of what could have brought down the twin towers. Who did it? God knows. A proper court would certainly be able to establish that, given the overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence - and maybe a witness or two, when the first person dares to say: "The emperor has no clothes on."

People don't want to go to the simple pysics and chemistry of what is possible. Ask Dr. P. at Sydney University, and he will tell you that you should have more sense than to believe in any such rubbish. Ask the head of one of America’s biggest media empires, who makes no bones about the fact that he hates George Bush (so it can’t be Rupert), and he will tell you that, no, if there was any truth in it, the Dems would have used it by now. Ask Ian, the successful architect, and he will tell you that those building were designed to come down that way. Ask F., a Ph.D. in literature, and she will say: "Well, there must have been a very good reason why there were all those explosions. Maybe the hijackers had explosives in their luggage." And S., the pretty Indian girl from Malaysia, who hates Muslims for discriminating against her race in her home country, and she will tell you straight out that she doesn’t want to go there; nor does C., the religious person from the South, who wrote back to me saying:

“And don't talk about my President that way because he is the only man on this planet that has the guts to do what is RIGHT no matter the cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The other two being Tony Blair of England and the new Prime Minister of Israel!!!!!!!! Anybody that is dumb enough not to believe in God and HIS WORD needs to keep HIS mouth shut. YOu are only embarassing yourself amongst people with great knowledge and wisdom and truth and honor!!!” (verbatim).

And even James Ridgeway and Mother Jones, the well-informed and obviously non-Bush-loving authors of the above artcle, will only ask the peripheral, circumstantial questions, about what the FBI knew about the hijackers, etc., instead of looking at the simple physics and chemistry of what could have brought down those twin towers.

Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney, Australia

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Quite right. The murder of 3000 is enough of a real crime, I would say.
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Oct 13, 2006 7:44 AM   
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So, who rigged those three buildings for their controlled demolition in the weeks and months before 9/11? If it was Al Qaeda, the perpetrators should certainly be brought to justice!

Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney, Australia

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Please explain so many things, like the enormous beams flung sideways ...
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Oct 13, 2006 8:07 AM   
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Enormous beams of steel were flung sideways, some for a few hundred feet. The concrete was pulverised. The buildings came down in 8.4 and 10 seconds, the time it takes for objects to drop from their top floors in free fall. Explosives were heard by everyone present, and recordd and picked up on seismic monitors. People were seriously injured and killed by the explosives. A retaining wall, keeping out the Hudson River, was dislodged by around a foot. Molten steel can be seen dripping along the walls of the building. The huge steel beams of the core came down cut to transportable pieces. And then there is the pictorial evidence of the two (what looked like) rockets impacting the buildings at the same time as the planes did. For heavens' sake, you've got hundreds of video and audio tapes of the controlled demolition of the two buildings (using explosives and possibly thermite), seen right around the world! What more do you want? If a video of a rape or a burglary was submitted in court, the trial would be over in 20 minutes. No, I'm not saying Bush did it. I'm saying someone did it, someone brought those buildings down in a controlled demoltition, in the same way that building 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition, as someone admitted then retracted to the world's media.

Robert Hoogenboom
Sydeny, Australia

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It's a conspiracy theory, all right!
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Oct 13, 2006 8:25 AM   
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Yeah, matey, yeah! You see, the same thing happened to me recently in our apartment building. The kerosene heater in my apartment toppled over. Well! It was as though someone had set off an incendiary bomb! The curtains, the carpets and the woodwork quickly caught fire and then, to my amazement, the whole kerosene heater just melted! I rushed outside, where some of the other occupants had already come out and were standing watching. Then the explosions started, all caused by the kerosene fire. An old man, who lives a few floors above me, came out injured by one of the explosions, flesh hanging off his arms. And then suddenly, the whole building started to collapse, floor by floor, from the top down. As each floor came down, there were more explosions and the concrete pulverised and the structural steel beams were flung sideways onto the neighbouring properties (in small pieces almost as though cut to size). The entire ten-storey-high building was down in a couple of seconds, razed flat to the ground. The explosions were so fierce that a garden retaining wall was moved about a foot. And the amazing thing was that the kerosene fire was so hot that it must have even melted the entire fire sprinkling system, which had failed to go off. And now, a few weeks later, some of the steel within the mass of rubble is still at melting point, so hot. So, you see what a kerosene fire can do?

NOT!

You guys are beyond belief! You go to: "It's a conspiracy theory", "It ain't a conspiracy". Just go to the simple physics and chemistry, and what demolition experts and structural engineers and fire professionals will tell you (from right around the world, not your own, too dangerous to talk in America, where you have just lost habeas corpus). It's got NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES! It’s the simple physics and chemistry of controlled demolitions. You see, Bush is too stupid to think of such a plan, so it couldn't have been him! It was Al Qaeda! The three buildings came down in controlled demolitions and Al Qaeda did it! OK? Now, let's nuke the shit out of Al Qaeda, wherever they are, Iran maybe, because they are responsible for the controlled demolitions of the three building on the WTC on 9/11. Now, where did I say Bush and the neocons did it?

Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney Australia

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You've got more patience than me, LeftWright ...
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Oct 13, 2006 8:27 AM   
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... much more patience.

Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney, Australia

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Well said, LeftWright, that molten steel is not explained by a kerosene fire.
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Oct 13, 2006 8:39 AM   
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To me, it's that free fall thing. A pancacking building, where each floor is dislodged (perfectly) by the floors above it collapsing on top of it, doesn't come down as if in free fall, 8.4 seconds.

Now, where did I say Bush did it, all you people who cry "Conspiracy theory!" Bush is too stupid to think of something as clever as this. Let the courts decide who did it. No doubt they'll decide it was Al Qaeda, or, on appeal, the Supreme Court will decide it was Al Qaeda. As long as we are all agreed it was a controlled demolition (using thermate to melt the steel).

Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney, Australia

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By the way, why didn't the fire sprinkling systems, present in every high-rise building, go off?
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Oct 13, 2006 8:50 AM   
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All these high-rise buildings have automatic fire-fighting systems, that go off and quickly douse fires. Did they go off? Are they heat-activated? Would they have gone off throughout the two buildings?

Robert Hoogenboom
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I agree, LeftWright, a whole lot of people are simply to stupid to follow simple logic.
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Oct 13, 2006 9:12 AM   
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You know, I've been told that in Texas, a fairly frequently referred to state these days, they have a saying, that if something looks like a duck and it waddles like a duck, and it quacks and squawks like a duck, and it even tastes like a duck, then chances are, it's a ... conspiracy theory!

Take it from me, all you people whose opinions in this matter are based on the unrecognised fear that your world would fall apart, THOSE WERE ALL THREE CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS. So, let's find the perpetrators - after all, they did kill 3000 people, either by way of first degree murder (the aim was to kill those 3000), or by second degree murder (the evacuation failed), or manslaughter (the demolitions went off accidentally). Now, George Bush, being a religious man, couldn't have done it - how could I even entertain the thought! In fact, it bears all the hallmarks of Al Qaeda or some other group of ungodly fanatics that did it. So let's, on the basis of these having been controlled demolitions, start an investigation as to how Al Qaeda could have been so clever as to pull off all of this without raising any suspicion whatsoever. Agreed?

Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney, Australia

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» Fundamental change is required Posted by: LeftWright
WHY Republican's protected Foley
Posted by: therose on Oct 13, 2006 12:12 PM   
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Department of Homeland Security/Operation Predator
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=1067
Bush's words/law in reality.
WHY did Republicans IGNORE their own laws and protect Foley????

American People take Action! Stop being outraged by this Administration. Start EXPOSING Them..
Complaining about the Dark and Evil Empire ruining United States of America
does not result in solutions to turn the tide. The American People have to Demand Answers.

Start today, being the collective voices of the masses, in Demanding...... WHY????
WHY did the Republican leader's protect a known sexual predator (the pages say it was common news for the last 6 yrs)
Making him the Head of Missing and Exploited Children when he was a #1 violator of harming children ????????
If this were any other Institutions in United States such revelations would have everyone expelled from authority, immediately.
[see DHS/Operation Predator above]

These are the same Republican's that held our country and government "Hostage" for YEARS
making our TV's x-rated indulging in their fantasy of Bill Clinton's sex life.
Attempting to Impeach Clinton because he received fellatio from a obvious seducing over 21 female intern while the Country, Clinton had been elected to run, was shut down by Newt Gingrich's Contract With America and the Republican's themselves. What kind of surreal world are we in, with the Republican Way of Life??

Why was/is Mark Foley so important to the Republican leadership, the ignored their own laws [see DHS/Operations predator above]
and protected Foley in harming children in the Republican care???
Revealing themselves, in a undisputable way, to be the hypocrites, they are ????
Go beyond the usual Republican bluffing, buying time, passing the buck.
Demand WHY ???
Mark Foley represents Palm Beach Fl. Palm Beach the place that threw the Presidential election to George Bush
over the rightful winner Gore. Much has been written on Foley/Palm Beach was instrumental in creating and covering this up.

Lets go to the SOURCE of the story on Foley. Palm Beach was the start of all Bush's lies.
The Foley/Palm Beach story is the Loose Thread that will unravel this nightmare we have been living in the last 6 yrs and more.
Foley/Palm Beach Swindle is the source of Bush's transgressions of deceit. It is the weak link to bring this Bush House of Lies down.

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Dear Leftists: Ain't Gonna Happen
Posted by: shinseiji on Oct 13, 2006 2:24 PM   
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Please stop dreaming about how the Dems are going to set everything right again. They aren't, since as a party they are completely complicit as enablers of Bush's crimes. Think the Dems are going to push for repeal of the Military Tribunals Act, setting up a permanent Presidential dictatorship, regardless of who becomes President, including a Democrat? Think again.

But even the most ardently pro-Dem leftists secretly understand this. That is why the American left is awash with conspiracy theorizing as a substitute for an analysis of reality, since a pursuit of the latter would lead to the inevitable conclusion that we must organize our own independent political existence separately for the Democratic party. Instead, we are treated to a mishmash of contradictary positions:

- we were told that "A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush" AT THE SAME TIME that we were told that the election was stolen in Florida in 2000 (in this case the latter is what is true);

- we are given the general line that we should vote for Democrats AT THE SAME TIME that we are given as a general conspiracy theory the doubtful notion that the elections are rigged via Diebold, ect, meaning that the same support for the Dems is in fact useless if the theory is true;

- likewise we have as current conspiracy theory that the global price of oil is being rigged to fall for the US elections which, once again if we thought logically, would lead to the conclusion that support for the Dems is strategically useless as the whole system is rigged against us (I do not buy this rigged oil price theory at all - all commodity prices have been falling as a result of the concerted global rise in banking interest rates - ah the next conspiracy theory is in sight: global central bankers are working together to ensure continued Republican party governance!);

- not to mention the hoary old "controlled demolition" 9/11 theories, all poor substitutes for actual thought.

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Gas Price Manipulation is Indisputed
Posted by: rwa on Oct 13, 2006 8:32 PM   
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Even the strategic petroleum reserve(not currently being filled) is being used to effect prices. Not to mention all time record low margins in refining and Saudi's failing to cut production as agreed with OPEC. On top of all that is the Goldman Sachs futures redo.

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Fundamental Change Is Required
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 13, 2006 10:28 PM   
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We need a non-violent revolution in the U.S.A.

The corruption of both parties and our entire political system is so widespread and endemic that only a thorough house cleaning will do. Only a massive shock to the collective consciousness and conscious of the nation will accomplish this.

Our constitution is sound, we just need to return to our roots.

Just as 9/11 was meant to shock the American people into accepting a new global war to replace the cold war and ever increasing limits on their civil rights, 9/11 truth is the most direct route to creating the shock needed to restore Americans their national soul.

Nothing less than the future of democracy on earth is in the balance.

This is not a Republican vs Democratic issue. This is not an American vs European issue. This is not a 1st World vs 3rd World issue.

This is a human survival issue.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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CRIME & PUNISHMENT @ AMERIKA CORP
Posted by: Hal on Oct 15, 2006 12:44 PM   
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Despite a limited hangout MSM and its transparent shills from the faux right to the so-called left (Noam Chomsky etc) the greatest potential crime – by far – is 911 cover-up.

Clear and present 911 cover-up is at the epicenter of every blatant criminal act perpetrated by a puppet DC-MSM complex since the end of 2001. 911 is the lynchpin for domestic and foreign policy hijacked by old corporate crime. A cozy de facto mafia rule that admitted its need for “a new Pearl Harbor” to foist public agendas extorted for private greed.

Controversial it may be but a cover-up at the center of the worst attack on American soil in over fifty years is not in question. Not by anyone credible outside a corrupted process that’s bothered to look. An official 911 fable is no less phony than its “war on terror” offspring responsible for blood money murder of hundreds of thousands for Big Oil and cartel banking clients.

And no less fabricated than its newest horror in a “Military Commissions Act of 2006” that has stripped Americans of due process and their Bill of Rights.

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» Stand & Deliver... Posted by: Hal
» Amen brother Hal ! Posted by: LeftWright
The Democrats KNew About Foley's Problems Also and Covered up for Greed
Posted by: Helpmycountry on Oct 15, 2006 11:52 PM   
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Why did it take so long to come out and come on the In's were old and nothing new. The Im's were bought by George Sorros and held until just the right minute. Other Democrats also knew about these emails. Ask yourself why with the dates it was not releashed until just now. What will be found out in the investigation is top Demcrats also knew about the Im's. I'ms are also not like emails and they had to be saved and this was down to set Foley up. No excusing his part but the man's problems were knew by more people then the Republicans and they bought and used them so when you call it a cover up by just theRepublicans this is just not so. It was two sided all along.

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Could it be true?
Posted by: andrushka on Oct 16, 2006 4:59 AM   
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Could it only be true? I hope so. First let's have the Constitution back to "pre-Bush" corrections. Then a trial in due form for the whole Government and White House. One should build a new prison to contain the whole lot, and please,
no parole, no amenities, no 'nothin'. That 's all they deserve.

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