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'Gifted Child Industry' Preys on Parents' Insecurities
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Alissa Quart takes us on a journey to the dark heart of the parenting meritocracy in her new book, "Hothouse Kids: The Dilemma of the Gifted Child." In her view, an increased emphasis on the early years of childhood by sociologists and educators coalesced with parental fears of failing schools and a faltering economy sometime in the mid- to late 1990s. Stir in some astute marketing by firms such as the Baby Einstein Co. and you have the makings of modern American childhood, a period marked by an increased emphasis on study and structured activity and less on play. Or at least it’s that way for upper-middle-class progeny, the ones with parents who have the extra money to buy their kids extra attention and services.
As the rich are getting richer, their children are gaining the opportunity to get smarter. States are gutting funding for gifted education in the public schools even as well-to-do parents fight for appointments with specialized intelligence evaluators who charge a thousand dollars or more per child. What Quart dubs the "Baby Genius Edutainment Complex†has resulted in a world where extra services for kids are increasingly available only to those who can pay for outside tutoring, extracurricular activities or the high tax rates of elite suburban school districts. Call it the privatization of giftedness, where all too many children are being left behind.
Quart is hardly the first to make these points. Sociologist Annette Lareau’s landmark book Unequal Childhoods pointed to the calendar as the new center of middle class family life, the date book having replaced the dining room table as the center of all household doings. Moreover, within the past year several new books, including "The Kindergarten Wars," by Alan Eisenstock, and "The Overachievers," by Alexandra Robbins, have examined the high-pressure world of upper-income American children. What makes Quart’s book unique is its systemic look at the world of these children and their families, from the Mozart tapes their parents play to them in utero to the conventions held for gifted children and their parents. She spends times with both the true prodigies -- those with unique skills manifested at an early age -- and those with just extra high IQs or other talents that are less than extraordinary but still special.
Of course, child prodigies and their pushy parents have always been with us. The Victorians had the hothouse environments of bourgeoisie homes, where children such as future philosopher John Stuart Mill were tutored as toddlers. More recently, there were the Quiz Kids in the 1940s, those champion knowledge-busters who knew more than the adults asking them questions. What’s new is the mass appeal of the concept, the idea that this is something all parents should aspire to, not just a few particularly achievement-oriented moms and dads.
Yet, are these parents doing their kids any favors? In the end, Quart is unable to decide. A former gifted child herself, she notes that many now-adult prodigies and gifted children grow up with a profound fear of failure, with a sense they will never fulfill they promise of their early childhood talent, despite their more mature accomplishments. However, she also believes she might well have not become a writer without her father’s insistence that she read, write and study when many of her friends were out at play.
I read this book with sadness and a touch of wistfulness. After seven years of parenting, I am all too aware of how little I know about my children’s futures. I am almost in awe of those optimistic souls who believe a bit of enriched formula, mixed with the right infant gym class, followed by the appropriate after-school activities can create a successful, healthy and wealthy adult. As if.
I sat down with Quart recently in New York.
Helaine Olen: How is the world of gifted children different than when you were a child?
Alissa Quart: These products for small children didn’t exist. The seeds of the baby genius edutainment complex were sewn in the mid-'90s. The first Baby Einstein videos were made in 1997. By 2003, almost one-third of infants have a Baby Einstein video. Sales of all educational toys increased 19 percent between 2003 and 2004. Now one looks around sees these products everywhere and hears from parents about the pressure to buy them or not to buy them.
Olen: How did all this develop?
Quart: I see it as a piece of marketing to kids in general, which really did take off in the same period of the mid-1990s. It’s niche marketing. The infants are now a special-interest group, an untapped market that’s been discovered. That’s one factor. Another is science and social welfare programs. There was a Clinton program emphasizing the first three years, often in an interventionist social welfare fashion. But it slid over to the middle class and became a marketing stratagem.
Then there are more college students; there is more competition to get into universities. Competition is sharpening in a young adult’s life, and it has trickled down into infancy as an early breeding ground to let people get leverage as young as possible.
Olen: And do you think business is fanning the flames of anxiety to parents, too?
Quart: I do, actually. My favorite is the theme song of one of the products: "Do your best, never less." Then there is a line of products -- Baby Genius. It’s literally called "Baby Genius." In a way you can see it as relatively innocuous, and in a way it really is. I mean, moms tell me they use it when they take a shower. I don’t think it's evil, but cumulatively, product by product, it changes the complex of childhood. It’s the mindset they are goading. It’s an aspirational framework. Once you start to see it, you see it everywhere. There are karate classes claiming to provide mastery for their child. That catalog is claiming toys that will make a child test even better. This tutoring class is claiming higher scores.
Olen: How do you feel about having been labeled a gifted child?
Quart: There were a lot of benefits. Part of why I became a writer is because of this background. I wrote all the time when I was a child, and studies say 10,000 hours of practice will make for mastery. It’s hard to say all that practice at an early age doesn’t result in an ability, a competence. So it made me a working writer. I read a lot of books really early, as well.
Olen: What were the downsides?
Quart: It was the great expectations thing. Kids internalize stuff, and once you think you are really smart or good at something, you don’t always learn; you are afraid to learn, because you are afraid you will fail. And that had a big effect on me, I think.
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Quart: It’s such a complicated thing. From what I understood, it is everything from wanting to be connected to something special -- getting a special or sublime state through one’s children -- to insurance that somehow their kids won't fall through the cracks. There are a lot understandable reasons that aren’t so nice, like what are their children going to do in the future? There won’t be Social Security, and they better be insulated against the dangers of the world and its insecurities.
Olen: Yet when studies are conducted on our children compared to international norms, we don’t come off looking too hot. So then is some of the desire for the gifted label simply parents trying to get a leg up for their children?
Quart: I think some of these numbers are what they are because we are such a heterogeneous society. They aren’t measuring how the kids at the top are doing. They aren’t measuring what I call the social hydraulics of giftedness, which is the rich are becoming overenriched and those with less money can’t get into a reasonably enriched public school with enriched curricula. These numbers fans the flames of anxiety.
Olen: You use the phrase in the book “the privatization of talent.†What do you mean?
Quart: It’s the appropriation of social welfare notions from the '60s, such as Head Start and Early Intervention that has sort of migrated into the world of toddler education in families that don’t particularly need it, where the enrichment isn’t a counter to the absence of learning during the day.
Olen: What’s the difference between giftedness and a prodigy?
Quart: There are technical definitions. A prodigy is a child who, in a domain like music or math or chess, has extraordinary abilities. They are like expert adult abilities in childhood. Whereas a gifted child can just be a 125 IQ, a child who is just really good at something. It is a more ordinary talented kid.
Olen: Can gifted just be another word for middle class?
Quart: Yes and no. I visited a program for gifted kids in Illinois. It was incredibly moving and sad. Four years ago, Illinois’ gifted program received $19 million in state funds. Now they get none. It really is a "have and have not" situation. In most public schools, they are trying get help for these kids. It’s not crazed parents. But the terms of the giftedness often become weighted with class. One education professor said to me that having a high IQ is just having middle-class social behaviors. If a child has middle-class social behaviors, they probably will be an easier fit in professional situations, but to always call them gifted is a problem.
Olen: Why do we want to label children so much?
Quart: Well, we want to label ourselves as adults too early. Childhood used to be an empty category and unnamed and that was a problem, too. But perhaps it has gone too far. Obviously, if they are bipolar, working with them based on that, it is good. But if they become the gifted kid or the ADHD kid, that becomes a problem. There is now a tendency for everyone to have some sort of name starting in childhood.
Olen: How do we stop the craziness?
Quart: It is really hard to give parents directives. But first it is important to not name, not to label. Don’t say “you are gifted,†say “job well done.†Instead of saying "you are a karate master," say "you did that kick really well." Instead emphasize the individual acts in failure or success so it is not a fixed identity.
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Posted by: edith on Oct 18, 2006 2:32 AM
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How about more articles about average kids and the lousy unimaginative schools they cope with and the lousy jobs the vast majority face when and if they graduate high school. Fewer and fewer will graduate as a result of the Bush-Ted Kennedy No Child Left Alive Act. The gifted, whatever they are, will survive. What about the rest?
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Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 18, 2006 5:46 AM
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Why would anyone want to sell themselves? That's the American cultural myth that covers up the fact that social status is something that comes with birth. It's the idea that, as Bob Dylan sings it, "You can do what's never been done. You can win what's never been won." It's a lie.
And the consequence is a nation of hyper-aggression that desires to rule the world by threat and violence. How does that square with the frequent comment that we are a Christian nation? It doesn't, except that belief in heaven works for warriors who must put their lives on the line.
We are ideologically confused. I hope some Baby Genius can help us get straightened out before it's too late.
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Posted by: graylegend on Oct 18, 2006 6:37 AM
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Now this applies to child enrichment. Note to all: there is no fixed supply of enrichment. The fact that well-educated parents provide a lot of enrichment to their children does not take away the ability of anyone else to provide such enrichment. This is, however, less likely to happen. In our meritocratic society, high-achievers will tend to earn more, plan their families more carefully, and spend the extra time and effort necessary to do the best job possible raising their children. Naturally this confers advantages on those children. But that’s not unfair; that’s just what it means to be a family – doing your best for your children, according to your abilities.
Because it’s asking too much of less advantaged parents to provide more enrichment to their kids, and because the schools are already overburdened just providing the basics, the only solution to any perceived inequity is to get the better-advantaged parents to lay off. Thus we are told not to overschedule or push our kids too hard, lest we damage their tender psyches. From what I’ve seen, reports of burnout are highly exaggerated. The opposite happens much more often – kids are not challenged to rise to their full potential, and wind up drifting through life with no real purpose.
Saying that giftedness is just a code for middle-class is also an irresponsible statement. It may be that gifted programs are just ways to segregate kids by class, which is a terrible thing and should be changed. But know that giftedness does exist, at all social strata, and for the gifted child it can either be the greatest gift or a staggering burden, depending on how the adults around him/her react to it. Gifted children are a small minority, and they are profoundly different and usually misunderstood.
For what it’s worth, I have inspected the Baby Einstein and other similar products on the market and find them to be of limited utility – just marketing gimmicks. They fall far short of the items in my basic educational toolkit: legos, crayons, library card. Beyond the basics, I think there’s actually a paucity of materials designed to truly nurture talent and develop intellectual ability. I’d be happy to share the few that I have found with anyone who is interested. I don’t see this as a competition for a few fixed resources – the more gifted (and not so gifted) children are encouraged to explore their abilities, the better for everyone.
p.s. It’s not a question of schools doing a better job. Schools do not exist to develop full human potential, and they sure don’t care about the kid who already “gets it” and sits bored in the back of the class while others struggle to learn what he knew three years ago. Not just public schools – very elite private schools are the same way. Once the gifted child achieves something, the school is happy to take credit. The messy process that converts giftedness into achievement is not something they want to be bothered with. It is up to parents, or perhaps some renegade teacher who takes an interest despite institutional pressure, to help the gifted child.
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Posted by: KatieT on Oct 18, 2006 7:14 AM
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It may be true that the dropout rate is high, but could it be that this is because several states have mandated that the students pass one standardized test to prove that they can regurgitate information? This includes students learning English as a second language having to pass language arts tests. These tests don't measure critical thinking skills and don't allow for multiple answers, nor can they possibly be expected to account for all of the learning that a child is to have learned over the 12 years of cumpulsory schooling.
It is the average kids that already get a lot of the attention. It is these kids that many teachers work towards, knowing that, if they can help those kids make it up a few points on their state's test, then their school will not be in jeopardy of losing needed funds. I'm sure it is true that the gifted will survive. But survival is what you do in the worst case scenario. Surviving is a lot different from thriving. How can we expect the baby geniouses to figure it all out for us, as someone said, if we are leaving them in their classroom to figure it out and keep themselves busy or tutor other kids instead of learning and progressing to the best of their abilities- which may mean that we, as their teachers, need to do something a little bit different for them.
It's true that our testing for gifted is biased. We need to make some serious changes in the way we identify these kids. We need to create more programs like EDGE in Jacksonville, FL, that gives potentially gifted kids a boost until they can pass the test that is in place for identifying gifted. But what would be better is if we could redesign the test to make it culturally appropriate for all kids so that we could more accurately identify giftedness in all kids, not just middle-class white kids. But this takes money, something gifted departments don't have, considering more and more of it gets cut every day.
I most definitely have to take issue with the comment that teachers don't care about the kid who already "gets it". There are thousands of teachers across the country who work for these kids every day. It is our responsibility, as teachers, to educate every child. This does not mean teach the same thing to everyone. This means look at every child, find where he/she is, and take them farther. Gifted students need to be given the opportunity to learn new things just as much as the average kid. We cannot expect these kids to grow up to be great world citizens if we believe that their talent doesn't exist or that they will figure it out on their own.
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Posted by: caitlin on Oct 18, 2006 7:26 AM
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Former gifted child here. I started reading and writing well before I was in kindergarten. In third grade, my teacher had no idea what to do with me during reading and writing, so she sent me to the library to tutor first and second graders during that part of the day. I ended up skipping fourth grade. By the time I got to junior high school, though, I was so bored and so unchallenged that I just didn't try. I ended up graduating high school with a 3.7 GPA, while rarely doing a lick of homework in the process.
(Of course this all backfired on me during college. I'm giving it my second go now, with all of my efforts, and I'm now an honors student with straight As. My journalism professor has called me one of the department's finest students.)
Anyways, I could have written this passage myself:
she notes that many now-adult prodigies and gifted children grow up with a profound fear of failure, with a sense they will never fulfill they promise of their early childhood talent, despite their more mature accomplishments.
It's so sad how true this is. I spent much of my early twenties feeling like a complete failure, like I had squandered my brilliance by not attending a school like Harvard, by not finishing my BA in three years, by not getting into law school before I was twenty-two, and so on and so forth. You start to feel like you HAVE to be this bright shining star at everything you do, and it wears on you. No matter how good you are or how many things you do, you always feel like you are letting your family and your teachers down.
The really irritating thing is that people act like my "giftedness" was some sort of innate trait that I was born with. I hate that. The truth is, I was raised by parents who loved to read and who taught me to love to read. If I wanted a telescope, I got it, PLUS my dad would stand out back with me and help me find Jupiter and Saturn with it. If I wanted a microscope, I got it, AND I got to take trips to local ponds to grab Mason jars full of water for me to examine on my little slides. When I asked my mom where babies came from as a five year old, she sat me down and explained the whole process to me, complete with drawings of sperm and everything. I had a library card by the time I was seven. They encouraged me to enter spelling bees and geography bees and to try different instruments and to paint and to sew. None of these things cost a lot of money - the kind of telescope I got as a kid cost my parents about forty bucks, and it was well worth it. There was not a lot of pressure on me - I saw learning as something fun, a natural extension of the curiosity that every kid is born with.
I think most kids have it in them to be considered "gifted", but in our climate of anti-intellectualism, where reading books is enough to have one labeled a "fag" and where all of the joy of discovery and learning and questioning is sucked out by emphasis on rote memorization, standardized test prep, and exasperated parents who lack the patience to deal with the unending barrage of "Why?" We squash kids before they even have a chance to blossom. I look at all of this Baby Einstein nonsense, and to me, it's no different than telling your kid to stop asking so many questions. It turns the process of learning into a chore, like doing the dishes or dusting Mom's knick-knacks. Just another thing to check off the list before going out to play with the other kids, you know? This idea that learning should be fun and enjoyable is foreign in modern education.
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Posted by: staringatthesun on Oct 18, 2006 10:04 AM
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Having an opportunity to work with other legitimately talented students in the first program was really exciting. I really wanted to be in those classes. It is a worthy venture to provide alternative programming to students who don't work at the same pace as the average student.
In high school I even got bored in the advanced placement classes because we had to work too slowly through the material. This was to accommodate the average students who worked extra hard to keep up in classes they should not have been in. These classes should have had tests set up to differentiate between the truly talented students and those who just wanted an advantage on their college applications. I dropped most of my AP classes because they bored me.
There is no point in blaming the corporations. We provide them a market. We want money, they want money; their advantage is they have found a way to market products that promise us more money. The sickening thing to me is that as Americans we routinely buy the product, no matter what it is, or we take that job working for a contractor in Iraq because it pays five times what we get at home. Then when we get shot at and we complain because the company is trying to save money and put us in jeopardy to do it. Really, we are filling the positions that allow them to cut corners and ensure their profit margins so that we can make more money. We the Greedy...will go anywhere and do anything as long as we get rich doing it.
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Posted by: medstudgeek on Oct 18, 2006 4:06 PM
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B) 'Every child is gifted'...or not. Obviously intelligence varies just like athletic ability and height, and just like those things is affected by environment. I do think American anti-intellectualism isn't helping matters here. And of course as lefties we want to decrease inequality, so gifted education just seems like Reaganomics of the mind. Of course smart kids who aren't challenged tend to get into trouble, and I've always suspected that Republicans dislike smart kids because they fear they'll turn into Democrats...but that's probably just my prejudice as a liberal.
C) Class and giftedness. I wouldn't be too surprised if all the scheming of the rich does raise their kids' IQ by a few points, and I bet the deprivation of the poor does depress their kids' IQ. Another problem is race: tracking by test scores tends to segregate by race due to accumulated ethnic income disparities (ever notice how the black and Latino kids always wind up at the bottom?) and cultural values (Harvard had to change their whole admissions policy to keep from being flooded with Jews in the early 20th century, and they may be doing the same thing with Asians now), so this tends to be a problem with the left (which supports lower-status groups) as well.
In short, the left is not going to take up the cause of the gifted. Hey, this is America, we don't value intelligence. That's why we have to import our scientists from overseas, and that's why Bush pretends to be stupid after losing his first campaign to someone who pointed out his Ivy League background. (Intellectually incurious and lazy, yes. Stupid, no.)
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Posted by: 2marina on Oct 18, 2006 4:18 PM
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what i hear in the book's questions is interrelated with the history of american education: the mainstreaming of everything. whether a child is "special needs" in terms of learning disabilities, or "gifted," or just on a particular day "in need" of specialized instruction, our current educational system does not encourage students to perform uniquely or teachers to respond to individual learning styles and situational demands.
what we risk by front-loading "gifted" education is less the gross re-playing of class dynamics (though certainly that takes place, as it does in so many areas of our educational and social systems) and more a systemic arrogance of what smart or "gifted" should be, need, become. this works to discourage the creativity and individuality of truly gifted children, and i would argue, also sets a dangerous pattern for how to recognize and support good work by "average" children.
i believe this is what starts to show up in the comparision tests between american students and their international peers. it is a puzzling and worrisome paradox how democratic education could come to mean aggressively normalized education, with little room for the development of the individual, gifted, challenged, poor, rich, urban, rural, and all that grows in between.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 18, 2006 6:58 PM
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There is also a certain level of genetic potential; for example while almost anyone can train to run a marathon, some people will never win a marathon no matter how hard they train; likewise, there are height limitations when it comes to playing basketball. The eugenics approach of breeding humans for specific traits, as if humans were sheep, is considered by most to be highly distasteful on basic moral and historical grounds - i.e. "Auschwitz Syndrome". Hopefully it will outlive "Vietnam Syndrome".
More importantly, people should recognize that mental skill development requires training, just as strength and endurance do. Segregating children into 'gifted', 'average' and 'challenged' at an early age becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. The classic example of this is the perfectly healthy child who was dropped off at an orphanage for the mentally under-developed by his disaffected mother. As he grew up, he behaved as expected and mimiced the behavior of the other children, who actually did have severe physical and developmental problems. It wasn't until he was a teenager that an observant doctor noticed he had no real problem, and within a few years, with much assistance, he was able to live independently.
For an even more startling example, see theage.com.au - The Girl who Really Runs with the Wolves"
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Posted by: MEL810 on Oct 18, 2006 9:08 PM
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The ONLY topic of interest and the ONLY topic that is taught is "Will it be on the test?"
This continues into college. I've sat in many a college classroom where students asked: "Will this be on the test?" and if the information was not on the test, they tuned it out. Students actually expect 'test cheat sheats' where they study a copy of the test and memorize the answers to parrot back on the test.
After working in a community college and seeing many, many freshmen who could not read, write and do math as well as an elementary school graduate of years past, it's evident our foundational education system is a failure.
The solution? A solid foundation of the three r's with no computers until those skills are solid. Teach reading with phonics, not see-and-say.
After the student builds solid basic skills and gains a grasp of other subjects(including computers), let them explore their own interests a bit. Another must: Parental and community involvement.
After school hours, let kids be kids. Let them have unstructured play outside and with other children. Limit TV and computer game time. If kids are interested in other activities such as a hobby, arts, music or sports, let them pick one. Don't send them to various lessons and interest groups seven days a week.
Doing it all at peak, multi-tasking perfomance is a modern American myth and our children shouldn't be made to live up to the myths of psychologically insecure parents. By trying to do it all at top speed, we're not doing anything worth doing.
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What happened to going to the creek and catching snakes? Or hanging out at the mall just to kill time?
Some of these middle class soccer moms need to get a life, and stop making their kids their hobby.
Quart's last comment isn't bad: Stop telling kids what they are and let them figure it
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I really enjoyed reading all these comments. I'd like to recommend a website that I feel confirms them and my own feelings about the American education system:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
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Posted by: rclord on Oct 19, 2006 4:21 PM
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John Taylor Gatto wrote the book "Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Public Schooling.
Check out his site:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
I think a lot of what he says about our schools is right on the money.
Cheers.
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Posted by: Callibrarian on Oct 19, 2006 10:26 PM
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But even if they could concentrate, school has been made so boring I'm surprised students haven't started diving out the window. When my mother started teaching she was allowed to bring in puppets, show colorful books, direct crafts, take the kids on field trips, host cultural events---in other words, make class entertaining. By the time she retired, she and her fellow teachers were reduced to reading off scripts provided by McGraw-Hill and told there was not time to do anything else, nor were there any buses for fields trips. At a dinner for retired teachers I discovered several who taught foreign languages at my middle school---until the district cut them out. At my mother's poor school this would not be suspect. But my district was not poor, and this happened before huge rounds of budget cuts, which makes one wonder what exactly the people on high are up to. If they were intentionally trying to create a subserviant class of yes men, they did a marvelous job of it. Only problem is, now that innovation is taking place in the factories and labs we moved overseas, our undereducated, overfed, understimulated, uncultured children will be saying yes in a foreign language (that we have yet to learn) instead of to the American elite.
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Oct 20, 2006 11:36 AM
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I thank you so much for this sharing. I linked to your glorious assessment in my own recent missive.
I fear families thrive or suffer regardless of the income. Money may ease the pain or alter it.
Schools are not supplementing the losses children face. Nor do I believe they can fully.
Parents, educational institutions, and society as a whole can do a much better job than they are.
In a world where students [or their parents] are reduced to consumers, the depth, and details of growing greater are lost.
I invite you to review my own exposé, Single and Married Parents Spend More Time With Children. Much is Lost. ©
Please share your thoughts. I welcome learning from you.
It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull . . . Betsy
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How about more articles about average kids and the lousy unimaginative schools they cope with and the lousy jobs the vast majority face when and if they graduate high school. Fewer and fewer will graduate as a result of the Bush-Ted Kennedy No Child Left Alive Act. The gifted, whatever they are, will survive. What about the rest?
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Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 18, 2006 5:46 AM
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Why would anyone want to sell themselves? That's the American cultural myth that covers up the fact that social status is something that comes with birth. It's the idea that, as Bob Dylan sings it, "You can do what's never been done. You can win what's never been won." It's a lie.
And the consequence is a nation of hyper-aggression that desires to rule the world by threat and violence. How does that square with the frequent comment that we are a Christian nation? It doesn't, except that belief in heaven works for warriors who must put their lives on the line.
We are ideologically confused. I hope some Baby Genius can help us get straightened out before it's too late.
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Now this applies to child enrichment. Note to all: there is no fixed supply of enrichment. The fact that well-educated parents provide a lot of enrichment to their children does not take away the ability of anyone else to provide such enrichment. This is, however, less likely to happen. In our meritocratic society, high-achievers will tend to earn more, plan their families more carefully, and spend the extra time and effort necessary to do the best job possible raising their children. Naturally this confers advantages on those children. But that’s not unfair; that’s just what it means to be a family – doing your best for your children, according to your abilities.
Because it’s asking too much of less advantaged parents to provide more enrichment to their kids, and because the schools are already overburdened just providing the basics, the only solution to any perceived inequity is to get the better-advantaged parents to lay off. Thus we are told not to overschedule or push our kids too hard, lest we damage their tender psyches. From what I’ve seen, reports of burnout are highly exaggerated. The opposite happens much more often – kids are not challenged to rise to their full potential, and wind up drifting through life with no real purpose.
Saying that giftedness is just a code for middle-class is also an irresponsible statement. It may be that gifted programs are just ways to segregate kids by class, which is a terrible thing and should be changed. But know that giftedness does exist, at all social strata, and for the gifted child it can either be the greatest gift or a staggering burden, depending on how the adults around him/her react to it. Gifted children are a small minority, and they are profoundly different and usually misunderstood.
For what it’s worth, I have inspected the Baby Einstein and other similar products on the market and find them to be of limited utility – just marketing gimmicks. They fall far short of the items in my basic educational toolkit: legos, crayons, library card. Beyond the basics, I think there’s actually a paucity of materials designed to truly nurture talent and develop intellectual ability. I’d be happy to share the few that I have found with anyone who is interested. I don’t see this as a competition for a few fixed resources – the more gifted (and not so gifted) children are encouraged to explore their abilities, the better for everyone.
p.s. It’s not a question of schools doing a better job. Schools do not exist to develop full human potential, and they sure don’t care about the kid who already “gets it” and sits bored in the back of the class while others struggle to learn what he knew three years ago. Not just public schools – very elite private schools are the same way. Once the gifted child achieves something, the school is happy to take credit. The messy process that converts giftedness into achievement is not something they want to be bothered with. It is up to parents, or perhaps some renegade teacher who takes an interest despite institutional pressure, to help the gifted child.
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Posted by: KatieT on Oct 18, 2006 7:14 AM
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It may be true that the dropout rate is high, but could it be that this is because several states have mandated that the students pass one standardized test to prove that they can regurgitate information? This includes students learning English as a second language having to pass language arts tests. These tests don't measure critical thinking skills and don't allow for multiple answers, nor can they possibly be expected to account for all of the learning that a child is to have learned over the 12 years of cumpulsory schooling.
It is the average kids that already get a lot of the attention. It is these kids that many teachers work towards, knowing that, if they can help those kids make it up a few points on their state's test, then their school will not be in jeopardy of losing needed funds. I'm sure it is true that the gifted will survive. But survival is what you do in the worst case scenario. Surviving is a lot different from thriving. How can we expect the baby geniouses to figure it all out for us, as someone said, if we are leaving them in their classroom to figure it out and keep themselves busy or tutor other kids instead of learning and progressing to the best of their abilities- which may mean that we, as their teachers, need to do something a little bit different for them.
It's true that our testing for gifted is biased. We need to make some serious changes in the way we identify these kids. We need to create more programs like EDGE in Jacksonville, FL, that gives potentially gifted kids a boost until they can pass the test that is in place for identifying gifted. But what would be better is if we could redesign the test to make it culturally appropriate for all kids so that we could more accurately identify giftedness in all kids, not just middle-class white kids. But this takes money, something gifted departments don't have, considering more and more of it gets cut every day.
I most definitely have to take issue with the comment that teachers don't care about the kid who already "gets it". There are thousands of teachers across the country who work for these kids every day. It is our responsibility, as teachers, to educate every child. This does not mean teach the same thing to everyone. This means look at every child, find where he/she is, and take them farther. Gifted students need to be given the opportunity to learn new things just as much as the average kid. We cannot expect these kids to grow up to be great world citizens if we believe that their talent doesn't exist or that they will figure it out on their own.
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Posted by: caitlin on Oct 18, 2006 7:26 AM
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Former gifted child here. I started reading and writing well before I was in kindergarten. In third grade, my teacher had no idea what to do with me during reading and writing, so she sent me to the library to tutor first and second graders during that part of the day. I ended up skipping fourth grade. By the time I got to junior high school, though, I was so bored and so unchallenged that I just didn't try. I ended up graduating high school with a 3.7 GPA, while rarely doing a lick of homework in the process.
(Of course this all backfired on me during college. I'm giving it my second go now, with all of my efforts, and I'm now an honors student with straight As. My journalism professor has called me one of the department's finest students.)
Anyways, I could have written this passage myself:
she notes that many now-adult prodigies and gifted children grow up with a profound fear of failure, with a sense they will never fulfill they promise of their early childhood talent, despite their more mature accomplishments.
It's so sad how true this is. I spent much of my early twenties feeling like a complete failure, like I had squandered my brilliance by not attending a school like Harvard, by not finishing my BA in three years, by not getting into law school before I was twenty-two, and so on and so forth. You start to feel like you HAVE to be this bright shining star at everything you do, and it wears on you. No matter how good you are or how many things you do, you always feel like you are letting your family and your teachers down.
The really irritating thing is that people act like my "giftedness" was some sort of innate trait that I was born with. I hate that. The truth is, I was raised by parents who loved to read and who taught me to love to read. If I wanted a telescope, I got it, PLUS my dad would stand out back with me and help me find Jupiter and Saturn with it. If I wanted a microscope, I got it, AND I got to take trips to local ponds to grab Mason jars full of water for me to examine on my little slides. When I asked my mom where babies came from as a five year old, she sat me down and explained the whole process to me, complete with drawings of sperm and everything. I had a library card by the time I was seven. They encouraged me to enter spelling bees and geography bees and to try different instruments and to paint and to sew. None of these things cost a lot of money - the kind of telescope I got as a kid cost my parents about forty bucks, and it was well worth it. There was not a lot of pressure on me - I saw learning as something fun, a natural extension of the curiosity that every kid is born with.
I think most kids have it in them to be considered "gifted", but in our climate of anti-intellectualism, where reading books is enough to have one labeled a "fag" and where all of the joy of discovery and learning and questioning is sucked out by emphasis on rote memorization, standardized test prep, and exasperated parents who lack the patience to deal with the unending barrage of "Why?" We squash kids before they even have a chance to blossom. I look at all of this Baby Einstein nonsense, and to me, it's no different than telling your kid to stop asking so many questions. It turns the process of learning into a chore, like doing the dishes or dusting Mom's knick-knacks. Just another thing to check off the list before going out to play with the other kids, you know? This idea that learning should be fun and enjoyable is foreign in modern education.
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Posted by: staringatthesun on Oct 18, 2006 10:04 AM
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Having an opportunity to work with other legitimately talented students in the first program was really exciting. I really wanted to be in those classes. It is a worthy venture to provide alternative programming to students who don't work at the same pace as the average student.
In high school I even got bored in the advanced placement classes because we had to work too slowly through the material. This was to accommodate the average students who worked extra hard to keep up in classes they should not have been in. These classes should have had tests set up to differentiate between the truly talented students and those who just wanted an advantage on their college applications. I dropped most of my AP classes because they bored me.
There is no point in blaming the corporations. We provide them a market. We want money, they want money; their advantage is they have found a way to market products that promise us more money. The sickening thing to me is that as Americans we routinely buy the product, no matter what it is, or we take that job working for a contractor in Iraq because it pays five times what we get at home. Then when we get shot at and we complain because the company is trying to save money and put us in jeopardy to do it. Really, we are filling the positions that allow them to cut corners and ensure their profit margins so that we can make more money. We the Greedy...will go anywhere and do anything as long as we get rich doing it.
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B) 'Every child is gifted'...or not. Obviously intelligence varies just like athletic ability and height, and just like those things is affected by environment. I do think American anti-intellectualism isn't helping matters here. And of course as lefties we want to decrease inequality, so gifted education just seems like Reaganomics of the mind. Of course smart kids who aren't challenged tend to get into trouble, and I've always suspected that Republicans dislike smart kids because they fear they'll turn into Democrats...but that's probably just my prejudice as a liberal.
C) Class and giftedness. I wouldn't be too surprised if all the scheming of the rich does raise their kids' IQ by a few points, and I bet the deprivation of the poor does depress their kids' IQ. Another problem is race: tracking by test scores tends to segregate by race due to accumulated ethnic income disparities (ever notice how the black and Latino kids always wind up at the bottom?) and cultural values (Harvard had to change their whole admissions policy to keep from being flooded with Jews in the early 20th century, and they may be doing the same thing with Asians now), so this tends to be a problem with the left (which supports lower-status groups) as well.
In short, the left is not going to take up the cause of the gifted. Hey, this is America, we don't value intelligence. That's why we have to import our scientists from overseas, and that's why Bush pretends to be stupid after losing his first campaign to someone who pointed out his Ivy League background. (Intellectually incurious and lazy, yes. Stupid, no.)
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Posted by: 2marina on Oct 18, 2006 4:18 PM
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what i hear in the book's questions is interrelated with the history of american education: the mainstreaming of everything. whether a child is "special needs" in terms of learning disabilities, or "gifted," or just on a particular day "in need" of specialized instruction, our current educational system does not encourage students to perform uniquely or teachers to respond to individual learning styles and situational demands.
what we risk by front-loading "gifted" education is less the gross re-playing of class dynamics (though certainly that takes place, as it does in so many areas of our educational and social systems) and more a systemic arrogance of what smart or "gifted" should be, need, become. this works to discourage the creativity and individuality of truly gifted children, and i would argue, also sets a dangerous pattern for how to recognize and support good work by "average" children.
i believe this is what starts to show up in the comparision tests between american students and their international peers. it is a puzzling and worrisome paradox how democratic education could come to mean aggressively normalized education, with little room for the development of the individual, gifted, challenged, poor, rich, urban, rural, and all that grows in between.
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There is also a certain level of genetic potential; for example while almost anyone can train to run a marathon, some people will never win a marathon no matter how hard they train; likewise, there are height limitations when it comes to playing basketball. The eugenics approach of breeding humans for specific traits, as if humans were sheep, is considered by most to be highly distasteful on basic moral and historical grounds - i.e. "Auschwitz Syndrome". Hopefully it will outlive "Vietnam Syndrome".
More importantly, people should recognize that mental skill development requires training, just as strength and endurance do. Segregating children into 'gifted', 'average' and 'challenged' at an early age becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. The classic example of this is the perfectly healthy child who was dropped off at an orphanage for the mentally under-developed by his disaffected mother. As he grew up, he behaved as expected and mimiced the behavior of the other children, who actually did have severe physical and developmental problems. It wasn't until he was a teenager that an observant doctor noticed he had no real problem, and within a few years, with much assistance, he was able to live independently.
For an even more startling example, see theage.com.au - The Girl who Really Runs with the Wolves"
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Posted by: MEL810 on Oct 18, 2006 9:08 PM
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The ONLY topic of interest and the ONLY topic that is taught is "Will it be on the test?"
This continues into college. I've sat in many a college classroom where students asked: "Will this be on the test?" and if the information was not on the test, they tuned it out. Students actually expect 'test cheat sheats' where they study a copy of the test and memorize the answers to parrot back on the test.
After working in a community college and seeing many, many freshmen who could not read, write and do math as well as an elementary school graduate of years past, it's evident our foundational education system is a failure.
The solution? A solid foundation of the three r's with no computers until those skills are solid. Teach reading with phonics, not see-and-say.
After the student builds solid basic skills and gains a grasp of other subjects(including computers), let them explore their own interests a bit. Another must: Parental and community involvement.
After school hours, let kids be kids. Let them have unstructured play outside and with other children. Limit TV and computer game time. If kids are interested in other activities such as a hobby, arts, music or sports, let them pick one. Don't send them to various lessons and interest groups seven days a week.
Doing it all at peak, multi-tasking perfomance is a modern American myth and our children shouldn't be made to live up to the myths of psychologically insecure parents. By trying to do it all at top speed, we're not doing anything worth doing.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 19, 2006 2:38 AM
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What happened to going to the creek and catching snakes? Or hanging out at the mall just to kill time?
Some of these middle class soccer moms need to get a life, and stop making their kids their hobby.
Quart's last comment isn't bad: Stop telling kids what they are and let them figure it
out for themselves.
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I really enjoyed reading all these comments. I'd like to recommend a website that I feel confirms them and my own feelings about the American education system:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
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Posted by: rclord on Oct 19, 2006 4:21 PM
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John Taylor Gatto wrote the book "Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Public Schooling.
Check out his site:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
I think a lot of what he says about our schools is right on the money.
Cheers.
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But even if they could concentrate, school has been made so boring I'm surprised students haven't started diving out the window. When my mother started teaching she was allowed to bring in puppets, show colorful books, direct crafts, take the kids on field trips, host cultural events---in other words, make class entertaining. By the time she retired, she and her fellow teachers were reduced to reading off scripts provided by McGraw-Hill and told there was not time to do anything else, nor were there any buses for fields trips. At a dinner for retired teachers I discovered several who taught foreign languages at my middle school---until the district cut them out. At my mother's poor school this would not be suspect. But my district was not poor, and this happened before huge rounds of budget cuts, which makes one wonder what exactly the people on high are up to. If they were intentionally trying to create a subserviant class of yes men, they did a marvelous job of it. Only problem is, now that innovation is taking place in the factories and labs we moved overseas, our undereducated, overfed, understimulated, uncultured children will be saying yes in a foreign language (that we have yet to learn) instead of to the American elite.
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Oct 20, 2006 11:36 AM
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I thank you so much for this sharing. I linked to your glorious assessment in my own recent missive.
I fear families thrive or suffer regardless of the income. Money may ease the pain or alter it.
Schools are not supplementing the losses children face. Nor do I believe they can fully.
Parents, educational institutions, and society as a whole can do a much better job than they are.
In a world where students [or their parents] are reduced to consumers, the depth, and details of growing greater are lost.
I invite you to review my own exposé, Single and Married Parents Spend More Time With Children. Much is Lost. ©
Please share your thoughts. I welcome learning from you.
It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull . . . Betsy
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