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Is Foley Truly the Worst Scandal in Washington?

By Katha Pollitt, The Nation. Posted October 6, 2006.


Rep. Mark Foley was a cancer in the House, and the GOP leadership screwed up royally in protecting him, but why can't Democrats attack Republicans on more serious issues that matter to the country?

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I know the election is just a month away and the Democrats need every vote, but... Did Mark Foley really deserve to be drawn and quartered for engaging in lubricious instant messaging with male former Congressional pages?

Foley's advances were creepy and disturbing and bordered on sexual harassment, to say nothing of bad taste -- I'd definitely put "I always use lotion and the hand" in the Too Much Information category. But given that by law Senate pages must be 16 years old or more, and that 16 is the legal age of consent in Washington (and most states), to call him a "child molester" (Tucker Carlson on MSNBC) and "child predator" (various pundits) seems rather severe. Almost as severe as, um, calling Bill Clinton's affair with the 22-year-old Monica Lewinsky "vile" and voting to impeach him. Which, as it happens, Representative Foley did. "It's more sad than anything else," Foley went on, prophetically, "to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain."

Foley has resigned and entered rehab: According to him, it was the drink typing, or maybe the results of having been molested by a clergyman in his youth. His fellow Republicans prefer their usual suspect: liberals. Denny Hastert claims the revelations are a Democratic dirty trick. Rush Limbaugh says liberals are the real hypocrites ("In their hearts and minds and their crotches, they don't have any problem with what Foley did, they've defended it over the years"). Which seems ungrateful, given how many liberals wrote compassionately about Rush's addiction to illegally obtained Oxycontin, despite Rush himself having urged draconian punishments for drug addicts. Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council blames "pro-homosexual political correctness."Matt Drudge indicts the teenage "beasts" themselves: "The kids are egging the Congressman on!" They're probably liberals, too.

Unlike White House press secretary Tony Snow ("naughty e-mails"), I don't minimize Foley's behavior. It's wrong for middle-aged men to come on to teenagers, even if they're of legal age and even if, as some of the IM exchanges suggest, the young person seems willing to play ("with a towel you can just wipe off and go"). Let the kids fool around with each other. But there's something unseemly about the festival of ritual humiliation: You'd think he was raping 5-year-olds, not exchanging dirty IMs with high school seniors who could, after all, just log off or not reply. The blasts of indignation sweeping the blogosphere seem awfully opportunistic: "deranged pedophile," "sicko," "children at risk."

As the Republicans are eager to remind us, Dems are no angels: Gerry Studds slept with a page in 1973, ignored the censure of his colleagues and kept his seat until he retired in 1997; Mel Reynolds had sex with an underage female campaign worker, went to prison and was pardoned by President Clinton; Barney Frank -- and we love Barney Frank -- unknowingly housed his boyfriend's prostitution service in his apartment and was re-elected all the same. And don't forget former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevy, the proud gay American, now promoting his tell-all as part of his healing process. Men with power: It's not a pretty sight.

Unfortunately for the Republicans, they are ill positioned to make the everybody-does-it defense. Their whole shtick is that they're the community pillars, and the Dems are tramps and perverts. Now the image is blowing up in their faces, and too bad for them. Nobody forced them to get in bed with the Christian fundamentalists, who think homosexuality is evil and disgusting and sex outside marriage God's biggest preoccupation. If the family-values right wants Hastert's head on a platter, it serves him right. Live by Jesus, die by Jesus.

The Washington Monthly's Kevin Drum thinks Foley will sweep the Dems back into power: Financial corruption like the Abramoff affair is complicated and boring, but everyone understands sexual shenanigans. Perhaps, but are the voters really so brain-dead? Is there no point trying to whip them up into a frenzy about some outrage that actually matters? Like, oh, Bush's refusal to declassify the full National Intelligence Estimate documenting how the Iraq War has created more terrorists. Or Afghanistan, where the Taliban is resurgent -- so much so that Senator Frist said he wants to put them in the government. Have we given up on habeas corpus, just voted away with the help of twelve Democratic Senators and twelve House Dems, including Sherrod Brown, often praised in this magazine? It would be interesting if someone mentioned the record Foley compiled on the rare occasions when he zipped up his pants and went to work -- like his support for that stupid 700-mile fence along the Mexican border, and for denying public education to illegal immigrant children. Now that's what I call child molestation.

It shows you how hapless and shallow the Democrats are that they find so little electoral joy in a principled coherent challenge to Republican rule. Instead, we get tactical theatrics over whatever comes down the pike: last month gas prices, this week Foley. I see why the Democrats feel they have to do it: They're too compromised, the contests are too close and the discourse has been dumbed down for so long, it takes something simple and splashy to get people's attention. But it doesn't say much for the party -- or for the rest of us, either.

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Oh, how the left gatekeepers love to play!
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 6, 2006 12:27 AM   
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Hmmm, let's see...

Stolen elections....9/11....invading Afghanistan, then Iraq.....torture.....renditions....illegal wiretaps....burying Habeas corpus....and on and on....

and they have nothing to write about accept Mr. Foley?

Ms. Pollitt is brilliant!

Perhaps if The Nation stopped snorting Macarthur money they could find a real story to write about.

(pardon the sarcasm)

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» Foley feeding frenzy (yawn) Posted by: LeftWright
» left gatekeepers Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: left gatekeepers Posted by: LeftWright
Pollit perceives
Posted by: edith on Oct 6, 2006 1:10 AM   
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the hypocrisy of the US voter, not just the sleazy members of Congress. It takes a sex scandal to get the average slob's attention. This is true.

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» RE: Pollit perceives Posted by: JSquercia
Ugh. It's not Foley. It's about Republican leaders shielding him, hurting teens to keep power
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Oct 6, 2006 1:53 AM   
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That's the whole thing in a nutshell. Sure, the MSM love sex scandals. But what makes this truly important is how real American Republican children were abused, then ignored when they tried to get it stopped, threatened, thwarted, exploited by the Republican leadership to keep Foley and themselves in power.

That is exactly a mirror of how they operate in everything else-- raw power/and or money is higher priority over any moral, ethical, common good or traditional conservative principles/beliefs.

It is astounding that Pollitt does not get this. Sure, torture, habeas corpus, Iraq and Katrina may be more important, but they are no different. The causes are the same as in this scandal-- a Party reckless in pursuit of raw power and profit, that has no qualms about the wreckage of lives it creates to keep and enlarge its power. And that is what is central to the molestation scandal.

In that sense, on a smaller scale, the MSM is no different. In pursuit of sex scandal and igoring torture and habeas corpus, the MSM pursues profit and ratings power over providing important Constitutional services of its informational journalistic role.

But the other part of this scandal that is important is that Foley isn't the only one. This molestation network may reach further into Congress and high levels in the White House, according to sources Randi Rhodes has spoken to. If so, Pollitt really needs to shut up. Because the sexual sickness of phony puritan Christian busybodies and the bizarre hedonism of Neocons is exposed as part of their pathological destruction of America.

And that is an important story.

And they are still doing it now. Lying, stonewalling and all the rest of their sick behaviors to stay in power instead of cleaning house and submitting to investigations and administering justice for these teen victims and their families. They've blamed the victims, the Dems, the media, everyone but the perpetrators.

It is a huge mountain of sickness, and the American people have a right to have this hellish scandal be pursued by the MSM with tremendous lust and fury.

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» Huh? Posted by: hagwind
Pollitt is full of nonsense on this
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Oct 6, 2006 2:03 AM   
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Pollitt accuses the Dems of running on Foley, which they've barely touched so far and have been reluctant to run on yet, so that makes no sense.

She blames the Dems for what is the media's doing of focusing on the Foley issue instead of torture, Iraq etc. But the Dems have been running on the other issues and not Foley, so that makes no sense at all.

And it's not the Dems fault if Foley gets them Congress, nor is it their fault that too many voters are too stupid to pay attention to non sex scandals.

And it would be incredibly stupid for them to turn down the opportunity to win on the Foley issue. Sheesh, the Republicans mastered that a long time ago-- don't look a shallow gift horse in the mouth just because it's shallow.

And her defense of Foley is beyond belief.

What a super dumb piece of writing on her part. She really needs more coffee to think this one further out before typing. Get off that frickin yacht the Nation rents every year and have some outrage about teens molested by phony, criminal, sanctimonious puritans.

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» Is it? Posted by: 4sense
» RE: Is it? Posted by: doinaheckuvajob
"Are voters really so brain-dead?"
Posted by: rbohan on Oct 6, 2006 2:15 AM   
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You didn't really ask that did you?

What evidence would one provide that would suggest that at least a significant minority are anything but?

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» Proof the voters are brain-dead Posted by: ReallyBearish
other hand
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 6, 2006 2:16 AM   
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On the other hand, this is full-scale use of hypocracy by Democrats - an item most Republicans are hugely equiped with. It is a real shame that Americans have been so deluged over the years with hypocrit media and hypocrit politicians and hypocrit CEOs that our whole society seems to have been built by the great God Hypocracy. Maybe someday America will governed by people who aren't electoral and economic and war criminals so that the whole world can heave a sigh of relief that they survived all of this super-corrupt human tragedy.

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No, Foley isn't the worst
Posted by: Lizmv on Oct 6, 2006 2:40 AM   
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But in a nation that gets its news from People magazine and Fox News, AT LEAST IT GOT THE PEOPLES ATTENTION to the corruption that has infested our federal government, on BOTH SIDES.

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Before you can move forward...
Posted by: nzo on Oct 6, 2006 3:17 AM   
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...you have to see where you are. But don't wait until you have a Fascist regime before you see where you are! From where I look the Dems really don't Get It. If they got it, they would know what to do.

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You just don't understand
Posted by: John Walters on Oct 6, 2006 3:27 AM   
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Yes, Foley taking advantage of his position is one of the worst things that can happen in Washington. With every new Page class Mr. Foley saw a chance for some "fresh meat." No one, especsially a minor, should be subjected to sexual advances while on the job. They are not prepared to handle it. They are not old enough to understand Mr. Foley's sickness or to even help him deal with his own sickness. As a Page it is not their job to help Foley come to terms with his Pedophila. And Mr. Foley's experience as Chariman of the Missing/Exploited Children's Caucus only gave him valuble access to the methods child sexual predators use in the commission of their crimes. The man really loved his job, let me tell you that. The one thing the media hasn't focused on are parents of the Missing/Exploited...they must feel real betrayal right now.

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» RE: Missing? Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Republicans are perverts & pedophiles
Posted by: mat38 on Oct 6, 2006 3:44 AM   
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They are pedophiles because of their repressed sexual inclination that leads them towards the forbidden fruit - specifically, having sex with children. The ones who are not yet having sex with children must wish they were doing so because they hide from authorities and public scrutiny the facts about their peers having sex wiht children.
What would Jesus do? Well, according to them, in 2006 if Jesus were alive he would be torturing, murdering, repressing human rights and dignity, making money from pedophilia porn and the child sex trade, and he'd be a cyper pervert and online predator or an outright child sexual rapist.
Where is MSNBC"s Chris Hanson and that other avenger John Walsh in all of this? - silent.
God Bless the Grand Old Party!

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Corruption
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Oct 6, 2006 4:49 AM   
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No doubt that the Republicans are thoroughly corrupt. Their greatest sin was to lead us into the war in Iraq with lies. But, I think, even this pales in comparison to the total corruption of our government.

Both parties are financed by the same corporatocracy. Both parties advance the agenda of the corporate establishment. We are cut out of participation in our government. Our votes only choose which party helps the establishment screw the working class. We can't vote the corrupters out.

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Not in Kansas anymore
Posted by: hquain on Oct 6, 2006 5:10 AM   
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I'm astonished that as sophisticated a political observer as Pollitt could, at this absolutely critical juncture, be retreating into a clean-hands call for a "principled coherent challenge to Republican rule".

Electoral politics is all about attaching a character to the opponent at a personal level. The Republicans are masters at this and have succeeded yet again, though this time it's their own head they've tossed into the soup.

And there is substance behind the goings on. Scandal is all about the reaction to scandal, poking the anthill to see what's really in it. The more we see, the better.

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No he absolutely is not
Posted by: kelt65 on Oct 6, 2006 5:24 AM   
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The problem with Foley is that he is a f*cked up repressed conservative, not that he acts lewd with young men. He is not a pedophile - that's really a stretch.

I'm not trying to say he is a good guy, far from it.

However, it is rather depressing actually, to see that media pundits think telling a young guy he's hot is somehow perverted when sending them to their deaths is not. America is crazy beyond repair.

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» Bravo! Posted by: eastcoker
Of course this "scandal" is being hyped!
Posted by: xi_people on Oct 6, 2006 5:33 AM   
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In case people haven't figured this out yet, the democraps are fully in agreement with the repukes with a war-filled foreign policy and the repression of civil rights on the "homeland." That's why they haven't protested against such issues. They are fully complicit in their implementation.

There is no functional opposition party in America. And despite posting by adherents of the Green Party, I don't see it ever being elevated to the point where it is a major political factor.

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Pollitt misses the point
Posted by: hagwind on Oct 6, 2006 5:33 AM   
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True, I love watching worms squirm as much as anybody, and the current scandal beats any reality TV show that's come down the pike in recent years, but it's also politically significant. Contrary to what the right-wing moralists are saying, it's not tolerance and diversity that inspire this kind of crap; it's repression and hypocrisy. The big news isn't that Foley was putting the make on House pages; it's that he was doing it while posing as a defender of "traditional family values." And while we're at it, does the attempt of Matt Sludge et al. to blame the pages ring any bells? Damn right: all those women and girls who "asked for it."

The privileged white guys have embraced an intriguing form of identity politics: because they're privileged white guys, nothing is ever their fault. (No wonder the privileged white guy Democrats and the privileged white guy journalists want to make this look like just another right-wing sex scandal.)

Repression is what the Bushya administration is selling across the board: repression of dissent at home and abroad, repression of anything they can't control. Trouble is, at best it's a short-term solution, and even in the short term it doesn't work very well. Step on a balloon very gently and it'll bulge at both ends. Step on it hard and it'll blow up.

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Power, the great aphrodisiac
Posted by: Urstrly on Oct 6, 2006 5:56 AM   
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Having worked on Capitol Hill right out of college, I can say that one of my biggest disappointments was discovering how many Congressmen were silly with desire to get into some young thing's pants. Of course, plenty of young things were all too eager to get close to the members in any way they could. I wonder if there's something in the road to political success—the early need for a wife to provide respectability, the pressure to appear holier than thou, the culture of using people for ones own ends—that precludes politicians from playing around when it might be more age-appropriate.

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» Er...urstrly Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Right On!
Posted by: hebridesgal on Oct 6, 2006 6:37 AM   
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..the Left, what's left of it, Ms. Pollit. And here in Michigan, we have Senator Stabenow (D) voting yeah for the torture bill, Rep. Carolyn Kirpatrick (D), funding the war.

Add that to the current pedophilliac clatter Ms. Pollit nails down, and I feel I will be struck dumb in the voting booth come November.

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Hapless Public?
Posted by: hapibeli on Oct 6, 2006 6:38 AM   
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It may be that the Dems have a better understanding of what the "public" wants to be afraid of and think about. If 39% of the voters think GW Bush is doing OK, then attcking sex is easier than trying to convince a cowardly public of Republican incompetence in protecting their scared little hides. The short term fear of "immediate" death by terror may override the long term death of democracy by terror of their own corporate controlled government.

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» RE: Hapless Public? Posted by: DoctorAndy
OK with me
Posted by: redfrog on Oct 6, 2006 6:39 AM   
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The Democrats have simply reacted strongly to information about classis grooming behavior of a sexual predator operating within and with the tacit approval of the opposition party leadership. There are a lot of things to which I would have liked to see them react with this level of party focus but, for today, this will do.

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Foley as disctraction
Posted by: pavementrat on Oct 6, 2006 6:50 AM   
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Katha Politt -- thank you. This obsession with Foley is a gift, actiually, to the administration. Talk about a smoke screen! I, too, deplore the Democrats' listlessness. Of course, anything they say is either not covered (thank you, C-Span) or dismissed by the Johnny-One-Note administration Spin Team. Speak up, you guys! The country is bleeding blood, money, jobs, spirit, civil liberties, faith in government...

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Opportunity...
Posted by: 4sense on Oct 6, 2006 7:22 AM   
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There is a real opportunity to for more liberal minded politicians to take back the moral high ground in a very serious, respectful way. Not by torpedoing Foley, but by outing the inherent inconsistencies between what the Republicans have been saying and what they have been doing.

The problem is the Democratic party has been reacting to the Republicans for so long that I wonder if they even know how to take a leadership role, maybe talk about how they see government can serve the people, not the people in government.

But, will they? Who among the Democratic party has it? It's not at all clear. The have been so ineffectual in the past 5 years.

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» RE: Opportunity... Posted by: hagwind
ANYTHING BUT IRAQ
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 6, 2006 7:31 AM   
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I don't blame the Democrats on this one. Republicans just get hysterical about sex in general. It helps bide time so they can continue to ignore IRAQ. Anything but that. They don't want to be reminded of their priorities. Foley has already taken up too much time. Our government is not in the entertainment business. No one was hurt here. That can't be said of Iraq. Our leaders prefer 'entertaining e-mails' to bloody statistics. Cut the crap and get to work. Thanks, ANNA

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Who cares? The election has already been decided!
Posted by: arclight on Oct 6, 2006 7:31 AM   
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The political fallout from the Foley affair is 100% irrelevant. It will have no effect on the mid-term elections this year. In fact, the actual votes will have no effect on the mid-term elections this year, either. Until we have free, fair and transparent elections, any lead Democrats enjoy in the polls going into Election Day will magically disappear when the results of the election are announced.

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» I have a diff... Posted by: aonghus36
» Strategy of noise Posted by: LeftWright
Vote Third Party
Posted by: david_peace2002 on Oct 6, 2006 7:57 AM   
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If only the democrats acted like a real opposition party. But when it comes down to it, they are really no more than Republican Lite.

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Foley is nothing but noise to kill the hide real criminal behavior pt I.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Oct 6, 2006 8:00 AM   
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Do I have your attention yet?

Biometric Big Brother
Doing a quick search on “biometrics”, one quickly finds the Biometric Consortium which “serves as a focal point for research, development, testing, evaluation, and application of biometric-based personal identification/verification technology.” Already in use are rice-sized RFID chips implantable in human flesh, produced by a Florida-based company called Verichip (take a look at their website). It will become necessary to have this type of tag if one is to buy, sell, or otherwise participate in society (even turn on your computer). Note that Britain has already in place big brother type loudspeakers that shout at you when you may be committing a violation or infraction, or even using bad language-wasn’t that in some dystopian Schwarzenegger film? From the Daily Mail, Sept 16, 2006: “Big Brother is not only watching you - now he’s barking orders too. Britain’s first ‘talking’ CCTV cameras have arrived, publicly berating bad behaviour and shaming offenders into acting more responsibly.”

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On Propriety and Double Standards.
Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 6, 2006 8:13 AM   
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"Which seems ungrateful, given how many liberals wrote compassionately about Rush's addiction to illegally obtained Oxycontin, despite Rush himself having urged draconian punishments for drug addicts. "

Rush Limbaugh seems ungrateful to the liberals? They showed him integrity and it didn’t take? LOL. Rush is being hypocritical, has a double standard or is self-contradictory? LMAO. Do tell! Rush is not a man of honor or principle? ROFL. I sure hope that this is sarcasm and not naivety.

By the way, speaking of gay pedophilia, what do you suppose Rush and his three male friends were planning to do in the Dominican Republic with a bottle of illicit Viagra? I guess Thailand isn’t the only destination for a sex holiday with whatever you want to pay for.

"It's wrong for middle-aged men to come on to teenagers, even if they're of legal age and even if, as some of the IM exchanges suggest, the young person seems willing to play"

It may be something that a parent would want to prevent, and it may be ill advised, just as a heterosexual May-December (more like March-October) relationship is generally problematic and discouraged, but that's their problem.

What we have a right to be concerned about is the poor judgment shown by the Congressman, not that his object of affection is male or young, or that any harm would come to the boy as a result of him indulging his curiosity, provided that if there was sex, there was protection from venereal disease. But that's true for heterosexual couples of the same age as well, and not relevant to age or gender discrepancies that may offend our sensibilities.

What is most disconcerting – what is really *wrong* about all of this - is not the behavior of the boy or even that of the clueless Congressman, but the behavior of the Republicans, the media and the American people.

The behavior of the Republicans is contemptible as always: blaming others, shirking, double standards, lying – generally behaving dishonorably - it’s de rigueur. But it should evoke a significant objection from decent people, and it doesn’t. And the media pander and chase ratings rather than inform or adjudicate.

The media and the people allow themselves to become distracted from relevance by anything lurid and irrelevant, like a cat distracted by a flashlight beam. As a result, nobody's watching or criticizing the Republicans except the handful of us marginalized dissenters who, so far, have not stopped or even slowed the raping and pillaging of the commonwealth and the retooling of the government to serve privilege rather than to promote the common good and general welfare of the nation as a collective.

Who cares who's diddling whom? Foley is a buffoon, and we are done with him now that he has resigned his public trust unless he has also broken the law. But that doesn’t mean that I don’t think that this incident shouldn’t be exploited to maximize damage to the enemy. I’m only bemoaning that Americans are so childlike and that the Republicans are corrupt. Whatever gets the kids focused on the Republicans failures is what I’m for. I just wish that it didn’t have to be about the only irrelevant thing in their world – other people’s sex.

And although I don’t generally approve of pulling back the curtains, when it is a Republican that voted to impeach Clinton, I do. Typical Republican crap to throw at us, “I thought that you were tolerant and thought that sex was nobody’s business?” Yeah, but not with regard to those who don’t return the favor. I may not want a gunfight with you or believe we ought to have guns, but I’m not going to be the only one unarmed, and if you snipe at me, I’ll damn sure return fire if I can, then lay down my gun again after you’re gone.

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No
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 6, 2006 8:27 AM   
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The biggest scandal in Washington is that when Bush stepped on, shat on and ripped up the Constitution he was not called on the carpet by members of Congress of both parties. Anyone who sat by and let this happen without protest has lost any respect I may have had for them.

Our rights and Constitution are Non-Negotiable and not an open to revision without the people's direct consent.

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The Repubs..."everybody does it " defense
Posted by: picket on Oct 6, 2006 8:29 AM   
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relating to both parties in power, and sexual sins according to the Religious Right is true HYPOCRISY. The Moral Majority put the Repubs in power.
The Foley behavior does cross party lines though, unfortunately for the children of this country. If Foley had pictures of underage children on his computer, he should be in JAIL, not in rehab. The rich go to rehab the poor go to jail. I know it will NEVER be a reality but my passion is Equal Justice Under the Law!!
Hope no one takes this next comment as being vindictive or mean but did John Walsh of "America's Most Wanted" know about the Foley follies?? If so, when exactly did he first find out.

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Drawing the Line
Posted by: rwa on Oct 6, 2006 8:44 AM   
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The Opposition Party Finally Draws the Line…
Democrats: Yes to War, No to Pedophilia!
By SHARON SMITH

At last, Congressional Democrats have answered critics who claim that they have forgotten how to behave as an opposition party. Party leaders have finally launched a searing attack against a criminal outrage that has gone on for three long years-while vowing to take down all Republican leaders responsible for the deception and subsequent cover-up.

These courageous Democrats are finally regaining the moral high ground-miraculously, without sacrificing their unswerving orientation to the Republicans’ voting base in this election year.

After all, what sane person doesn’t oppose pedophilia?

Without for a moment minimizing the vile acts of Mark Foley, it is shameful that Congressional Democrats have staked their election-year strategy as an “opposition party” around opposing the acts of a lone Republican sexual predator, while assisting Republicans in whipping up a bi-partisan xenophobic frenzy.

In the final days of this pre-election Congressional session (before breaking for five-weeks of campaigning), 12 Senate Democrats joined 53 Republicans to endorse Bush's anti-terrorism legislation intended to allow evidence acquired through torture.

On November 7, voters will unfortunately be left with no choice other than to kick the Republican “bums” out, only to be replaced by the bums of the pseudo-opposition party. A genuine third-party has never been more desperately needed…

Full article:http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon10042006.html

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Love the title, hate the article
Posted by: dobka on Oct 6, 2006 9:42 AM   
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Yes, Foley does deserve to be drawn and quartered - at least politically - and no, Foley is not the worst scandal in Washington, but articles like this one don't help address those scandals. I, for one, will be amazed and grateful if the effects of Foleygate can withstand whatever October surpise Rove has up his sleeve, and perhaps give some Dem the courage to live up to their oath to uphold the Constitution and investigate the numerous, democracy-threatening scandals perpetrated by the Bushiviks and condoned by the Clintonistas.

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The Politics of this scandal
Posted by: Bostonvoter on Oct 6, 2006 10:27 AM   
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Katha Pollitt is half right. But she's half wrong. Political success is not just about being correct, it's about getting support. Remember when Gore's team sat like good little debate teamers and let the Supreme Court decide the 2000 election while Rove took the battle to the streets, busing agitators down to Florida and going on the offensive on the airwaves? Guess who won? If politics were about what policies are useful, rational, etc., then there would be no Bush White House and Karl Rove would be writing dog food jingles. The fight is also, and just as importantly, about WHO we elect into office. Well-educated folks (i.e., most liberals) are taught to focus on the merits of the argument, not the speaker, and so we tear our hair out and wail when ludicrous cyphers like W. and his ilk are voted into office. We can't believe ANYONE would vote for a dangerous mish-mash of steretotypes and unsupportable nonsense. And we're sort of right; no one is voting for those things. A large portion of American voters are voting for the person, because they quite honestly can't follow the ins and outs of policy, but they can easily decide whether they like a person or not. (Ask the average person what the deficit is, and how it can affect their life.) A big part of the GOP's success has been built on attracting social conservatives and the politically naive on the premise that they're Morally Upright All-Wise Father Figures. Stripping away that ridiculous facade is an important part of wresting the government away from the GOP crazies.

Again, many people simply don't pay attention to or understand the real issues. They vote for a person they think they can trust to handle tough issues; in a nutshell, they want father figures. If people only cared about good policies we'd have an idyllic society, right? But we have to get people where they live, not where we want them to be. And to paraphrase an earlier poster on this topic, when the GOP links its fortunes so closely to a pretense at righteousness, then we have every right to help bury them with their own tools.

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Well said Katha
Posted by: yoursfaithfully on Oct 6, 2006 10:38 AM   
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And thank you for posting this, AlterNet.

Katha takes a principled approach to politics. Anyone who doesn't cannot be trusted, and, unfortunately, that is true for many Democrats and supposed members of the "progressive" community.

The United States does not have liberal laws governing sex with minors. Indeed, compared to any other Western country, our laws are far stricter, *especially* concerning the internet. Yet Foley has broken no American laws, which means, if we take a world-view, Foley has done nothing the vast majority of people would consider a violation of law. If we are going to base whether or not someone should be allowed to serve in government on how "creepy" their sex life seems to be, then we're absolutely no better than conservatives in this regard.

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nausea, yet again.
Posted by: jane funk on Oct 6, 2006 10:49 AM   
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I weep for this country - that implementing a policy in support of inhumane treatment of prisoners, abandoning a 900 year precedent of habeas corpus, incompetently fighting an obscene and unnecessary war resulting in tens of thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of deaths, and utter violation of the social contract in myriad other ways yields so little in the way of political consequence. Yet on the unsavory sexual pecadillos of one man, one pathetic alcoholic fraud, on this, finally, the witless media, the craven legislators, and the ovine electorate appears ready to take a strong, proud, moral stand, to express the strength of their "convictions". This is not cause for celebration. I find this utterly and profoundly revolting. I could just vomit.

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"Waaaaahh... Bad Fat White Men Want To Touch My Winkle!"
Posted by: eddie torres on Oct 6, 2006 11:16 AM   
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There's only one party, and you're not invited. Just go about your zero-net-worth business and leave the tax-dollar-wallowing to the experts. The Privileged have been doing it for 60 years, and none of you or your ancestors have any answers.

You have no answers because you're hooked on _______ (fill in perscription medication or narcotic of choice) and your parents raised you to be a touchy-feely slave. You have zero net worth because success or failure in business is a personal responsibility, and your country is rigged from top to bottom to absolve 95% of people from any personal responsibility. That's why 5% know how to tell you what to do.

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Foley the wrst scandal?
Posted by: willymack on Oct 6, 2006 11:17 AM   
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Maybe not, but the story needs telling, nontheless, if for no other reason than to compare it to what Clinton did with A GROWN WOMAN and to rub the rethugs' nose in it-not just their hypocracy, but their pathetic efforts to cover up the sordid affair. The most important issues should still be stressed, with this mess an integral part of what's wrong with the current "leadership".

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Well said Katha
Posted by: yoursfaithfully on Oct 6, 2006 10:38 AM   
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And thank you for posting this, AlterNet.

Katha takes a principled approach to politics. Anyone who doesn't cannot be trusted, and, unfortunately, that is true for many Democrats and supposed members of the "progressive" community.

The United States does not have liberal laws governing sex with minors. Indeed, compared to any other Western country, our laws are far stricter, *especially* concerning the internet. Yet Foley has broken no American laws, which means, if we take a world-view, Foley has done nothing the vast majority of people would consider a violation of law. If we are going to base whether or not someone should be allowed to serve in government on how "creepy" their sex life seems to be, then we're absolutely no better than conservatives in this regard.

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Hypocrisy
Posted by: VisionQuest on Oct 6, 2006 11:22 AM   
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"You'd think he was raping 5-year-olds, not exchanging dirty IMs with high school seniors who could, after all, just log off or not reply."

First of all, I have a real problem with this sentence. These were teen-age pages serving a Congress in which Mr. Foley was a seated member. Does Ms. Pollitt honestly expect them to have just "log offed" or not replied" when a Congressman initiated contact with them? What would the consequences have been if they hadn't played along? This is the whole premise of sexual harassment law--that the power dynamic inherent in such situations renders the whole concept of "just saying no" absurd. They shouldn't have to "just log off"; Foley abused his power by contacting them for this purpose--period. There shouldn't be any qualification of a principle this obvious.

And blaming the Dems for focusing on this scandal instead of "real issues" is just silly. The simple fact is that before the Foley scandel broke, the war in Iraq, our abysmal health care system, real immigration reform, etc. were not getting any more attention than they are now. After all, plenty of Dems were and are campaigning on these issues, but even Ms. Pollitt seems to have missed those efforts in her focus on Foleygate. Why would she expect more from the rest of the media or the electorate? It seems like the pot is calling the kettle black.

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18 is the Age of Consent - NOT 16 - Don't Rationalize & Minimize Pedophiles
Posted by: colleenwhalen on Oct 6, 2006 11:30 AM   
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If an adult has sex with a 16 year old it is felony pedophilia. 18 is the age of consent - not 16. I am dismayed the author does not consider it reprehensible for adults to have sex with underage teenagers. The underage teen pages told this jerk to stop sending sexually explicit emails - the parents told him to stop - and he kept on making sexual advances to underage, minor teenagers.

This man belongs in jail - the same as any other internet pedophile trolling around trying to have sex with underage teens. The author has their legal facts wrong - 16 is not the age of consent in most states - 18 is the age of consent to have sex.

In some very backwards states such as Arkansas and the deep south it is legal for teens to marry at 14 and have sex with adults at 16, but that is the exception to the rule. The vast majority of states in America require the legal age of consent for a teen to have sex with an adult at 18 years old.

The author of this article is probably the same kind of person who thinks it is just funny and amusing when female teachers have sex with underage teenage boys. Irregardless of the gender of the pedophile - if it is either a male/female predator, it is felony statutory rape for an adult to have sex with an underage teenager.

Would the author of this article write a satirical essay about "the hottie female teacher" who had sex with a 15 year old boy and laugh it off as a joke?

Bottom line - adults should not be having sex with underage minors! I don't care if they pedophile is left wing, right wing, conservative or liberal - sex with minors is felony pedophilia.

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The Repugnicants' wet dream sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Oct 6, 2006 12:34 PM   
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is for all the disaffected to voters to run to the polls and vote 3rd party this election. You would give the Rupublicans a clear majority and ensure the continuation of the present regime. Their knee-jerk "Christians won't desert them nor will the greed heads who pay to keep them in office

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Oh well
Posted by: Soco on Oct 6, 2006 1:09 PM   
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Being an eleven year veteran I considered myself a "Conservative Republican at one time. I believed Bush at one time. I wanted to. Then I started reading, and a lot. Facts did not match rhetoric.

The problem is that if you play chess, you assume the opponent plays by the rules. These guys are not playing by the rules. They don't care, period. They have money and Diebold. They could give a damn about polls, elections and popular opinion. They have said this.

Being a fan of George Carlin and comedy and listening to Zappa occasionally. I had formally recognized the truth in comedy and Zappa's appearances on the censorship issue it hit me. George Carlin says you are owned, and politics is simply a diversion. Zappa warns of a fascist theocracy, especially when it is no longer profitable to keep up the illusion.

Liberals and Conservative thought is dead. Each side keeps hoping for THE scandal that will determine the outcome, in their favor and legitimize their opinion and agenda.

We are merely awakening from the dream. The constitution was dead long ago, it's only official now. How in the hell is a sexual scandal going to change things? People will vote them out of office with Diebold machines in the majority of districts, proven to be rigged? In the long list of scandals, what changed? The Patriot ACT, signing statements, Gannon, the war, false intelligence and so on. Where were liberals during this? People slept through it.

Here is how Rove works. You are being diverted from other issues, because rather than still being focused on the war and the constitution you are focused on a sex scandal while they are scheming for far greater control. They feign outrage and vote with their pockets. Remember Spector and McCain. They are willing to sacrifice a few pawns for your amusment for their "greater good."

These "alternative media liberals" are playing by rules that no longer exist. Your darling little Democrats are closeted Republicans.

You need to start wrapping your heads and investigating those crazy conspiracy theories floating around. They just might be based in fact. Rather than blowing it off, pursue it, prove or disprove it rather than pass it off as bullshit and be really surprised when the SHTF. I'm the product of a conspiracy between two consenting adults having sex. Disprove it.

Don't kid yourself, the NeoCons know EXACTLY what they are doing. Do you? You are being played on an emotional and intellectual level like a cheap guitar.

In my new found moderate liberal brain I still support the right to "keep and bears arms." I will not fire a shot. I WILL STOP BUYING SHIT AND KEEP INFORMED. This will hurt them more than bullets. Cut up your credit cards and stop buying bullshit consumer items. Sell the other car, buy used clothes or make them yourselves.

Governments around the world have declared war on citizens and turned them into consumers or indentured slaves. Screw the refinance. Live so simply it hurts. It'll hurt them more. They are addicted to the drug called money. "But they are rich" sure they are but it's never enough. The rich kill themselves when their portfolios are worthless. Remember the depression? The poor can and do survive because they ain't got shit to lose.

The whole world's economy depends upon Americans buying shit they don't need.

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Gray Fedora 738
Posted by: ohb0b on Oct 6, 2006 4:56 PM   
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I think it will be the acme of irony if this is the scandal that finally runs the Republicans out of office; pure poetic justice!

But gone is gone, and good riddance to the party of Jack Abrahamoff and Tom Delay.

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Promise them anything, but give them our page.
Posted by: Gun Bunny on Oct 6, 2006 5:50 PM   
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I have no idea why the dems are out there shrilly whining. Hmm, that could be a new christmas carol.... "Oh DC night...The dems are shrilly whining...".

But reality encroaches. I can remember Gerry Studds turning over a new page, and Barney Frank dealing with the boyfriend's homosexual escort service (read prostitution) being run out of his own town house. The press had field days with each, and the Republicans snickered up their sleeves. That hasn't changed anthough the shoe is on the other foot for this one. The out party screams "Outrage!" and the subject Congressmen in safe districts calmly stand for reelection and win in their home states.

At least Foley had a little bit of honor left and quit. I'll leave it to the Justice Department to determine whether he went beyond the bounds of poor taste and judgement and into criminal behaviour

Gun Bunny

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Bad news
Posted by: BlueStatah on Oct 6, 2006 6:51 PM   
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Sorry, Katha; I love your stuff and have for years, but you're wrong: the voters are really brain-dead and lack the capacity to understand the hundreds of reasons why the Republicans should be swept from public office never to return. But they can understand the Foley debacle, and I say let's grab any stick we can to beat these people into submission.

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The Ultimate Rovian Ploy?
Posted by: CatDad on Oct 6, 2006 7:16 PM   
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Could the Foley scandal be a deliberate ploy from Rove? The Right Wing/America’s ruling power/corporate elite are sophisticated, long-term political planners. There’s such a thing as a “strategic loss” and maybe that’s what Rove has in mind: LET the Dems get the House back...let THEM begin the disengagement from Iraq, thereby bailing-out Dubya from his self-made catastrophe, while enabling the Right to smear them in 2008 for causing America to “cut and run” from Iraq, thereby regaining control of Congress.

Rove’s most vicious masterpiece smears have involved the concept of homosexuality, beginning with the whisper campaign against recently deceased Ann Richard that she was a lesbian...who then lost the election to Dubya....Then the vitriolic smear campaign against John McCain in the SC primary, in which there were rumours spread that he was gay. Once they won the presidency, gay marriage becomes his next political ploy. I have always speculated that Rove is our generations J. Edgar Hoover/Roy Cohn: a deeply self-loathing, closeted homosexual, political strategist who does massive damage to civil liberties...ironically enough to other gays.

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Gee whiz, Ms Pollitt...
Posted by: HeidiLockwood on Oct 6, 2006 9:38 PM   
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That's just what I was wondering! Are the American people supposed to agree that a Congressman writing disgusting emails to teen-aged boys is worse-worse-worse that approving wars of uprovoked aggression directly resulting in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of people and the destruction of entire countries? (The question I'm afraid to ask is, do they?)

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Who snitched on Foley?
Posted by: eastcoker on Oct 6, 2006 11:14 PM   
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Ok, I have had enough. Who leaked the emails? Was it the teenage page, or was it someone else? Sorry if I seem obtuse. I have been blitzed by this story over the last few days and I have yet to discern how "the story got out". Did the teenage boy complain, the Congress? The fact that the boy was playing with him is suspicious to me... What's this all about?

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College Professor
Posted by: docbob on Oct 7, 2006 3:19 AM   
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It appears that the entire American Public refuses to understand the difference between right and wrong. However, I believe that the American people are ready to vote for persons that will tell us what they plan to do if elected, instead of what they think the public want to hear. Whether democrats or republicans.

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College Professor
Posted by: docbob on Oct 7, 2006 3:26 AM   
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Regardless of the situation the Democrats nor Republicans cannot find strong candidates that are in touch with the American People. I think it is because the American people have stopped thinking critically.

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USA hasn't reached the bottom of the pits yet.
Posted by: amazed again on Oct 7, 2006 3:26 AM   
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I am so grateful to be sitting on the other side of the earth while I read this latest embarrassment foisted on the people of America.

Unfortunately there are many more such embarrassments to be unvieled before America reaches the bottom of the pits.

Turn any rock over and you will often find slime. It just needs good investigative journalism to turn the rocks over and a willingness to for-go the cash cows available at present, with the understanding that they would be famous and not infamous, earning far more by opening pandoras box than by sucking up to lechers.

The people of America need to demand that a law be created / enacted whereby common people can be empowered to take the President or anyone else in power before the courts for acting against the peoples of America.

Something like 10,000 signatures to force the Courts to act with twelve good men and women on the jury should do the trick.

I cringe to think that our own Prime Minister has also dragged us into Iraq killing so many innocent people. But he too will reap what he has sown.

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» Hear! Hear! Posted by: LeftWright
» An English cousin perhaps? Posted by: LeftWright
Heard this last night on The Tonight Show
Posted by: WhatNow? on Oct 7, 2006 12:23 PM   
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"democrats use bookmarks, republicans bend over the page."

:-)) LMAO

His guest also said he was reading a nonpartisan paper for capitol hill that said, "Hastert and (can't remember the other politico's name) had better get on the same page or their troubles will mount."

This was totally unrelated to the present scandal but for joking purposes fits well with the present.

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Where was NBC when we needed them?
Posted by: WhatNow? on Oct 7, 2006 12:33 PM   
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Too bad Chris Hanson, To Catch a Predator, and Perverted Justice didn't set up Foley. Would have been great to see him exposed to the entire country and arrested, especially considering foley said that show does more good to protect children than any law they could pass.

The hypocrisy and the covering for this asshole are what bother me the most about the whole seedy affair. I could only hope the religous right will go after the homosexual aspect of it. Almost anything we can do to get rid of the hypocritical corporate whores is good to me.

GIVE US BACK OUR COUNTRY, CONSTITUTION, AND LIVES!

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Proof that pretending to serve the Creator for wealth and power always leads to calamity
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Oct 7, 2006 2:45 PM   
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Hello all,

Actually there is a much bigger debacle brewing that will soon sweep many politicians, both left and right from power. Those on the "right" will suffer the most though, because of the great level of hypocrisy of claiming to serve "God" while being greedy, arrogant, unjust, deceptive, and supporting blatant evil.

Pay close attention, profundity knocks at the door, listen for the key. Be Aware! Scoffing causes "blindness"...

As recent events and millennia of history have shown us, those who bedevil others with holier-than-thou pretenses, as they support and/or perform blatant evil eventually suffer dire consequences. The prime example is the Vatican, which has caused great disasters for itself and its followers throughout history as the direct result of its great deceptions, hypocrisy, and injustices. One of the most recent are the actions of the Christian Right, Bush administration, and Republican Party, all close allies of the Vatican. While scoffing at the existence of Karma, "blind and deaf" hypocrites consistently provide proof that evil deeds regularly lead to the "curse," mostly commonly known as bad karma.

If Christians leaders are going to go around attacking others for not living up to their professed values, it's a damn good idea to be truthful and actually walk the walk. Logs and motes in the eye, camels through the eye of a needle, glass houses, kettle's and pots, and what goes around comes around, et al. Karma's a bitch when She finally decides enough is enough! This wouldn't have been so bad on Republicans if they hadn't been such arrogant hypocrites in order to corner the so-called values voters! Now the "Two Candlesticks" and "Two Witnesses" (Truth and Justice) are "breathing fire" and "raining hailstones!"

Pretending to serve the Creator while deceiving, exploiting, and oppressing others is a great abomination. Such great levels of blatant evil scream for Truth and Justice to "breath fire" and "burn" those who think they are somehow above the laws of this universe and basic human values. The recent horrendous luck and disastrous results caused by the Bush crew and cohorts shows us that Truth and Justice never remain defeated forever. Now comes the long-awaited time of "fire and brimstone" to punish those who have used deceptive values and great hypocrisy to unjustly subjugate their fellow souls, while pretending to be "God's Servants." The arrogance of the powerful is again reaping the promised rewards for evil deeds and results. Now we see the unfolding of the true meaning and purpose of "Armageddon," which the Vatican and its cohorts have long confounded because they were the intended targets of these prophecies. Most Christians have long been deceived and deluded into failing to understand that the great deceivers, which ancient prophecies predict the fall of, are the rich and powerful nations, the three faiths of Abraham, and the "three foul spirits" of money, religion and politics.


Here is Wisdom !!

Peace...

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Child Predation Is a Multi-Billion Dollar Business
Posted by: birdman on Oct 7, 2006 7:23 PM   
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With all due respect any pages who were actually traumatized by their experience with Foley (knowing teenage boys, I expect most of them were just grossed out by the "old fart" -- and so far I haven't read where Foley actually got his horny hands on any of the lads ... but the reality that Pollit hints at but never actually states is that Corporate America is preying on and abusing our nation's kids all day every day, mentally, physically, spiritually, you name it. Between "Duke Nukem," 16-ounce sodas, useless schools, and the porno-violence of sports and movies -- and a hundred other examples -- virtually our entire culture constitutes child abuse. Where is the Democratic response to any of this?

Truth is, the Democrats are knee-deep in the corruption as well.

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The real scandel in Washington is getting no coverage.
Posted by: jimlup on Oct 9, 2006 8:57 AM   
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9/11 and the warning given to Condi Rice is the real scandel that is being buried by the Foley page-sex flap.

Keep the focus on the problem folks. Bush and his republican philosophy is a disaster for america and world. Now N. Korea is nuclear and worse is coming. Bush and the repubs are a catastrophy but not because they have sex with pages.

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